only like what "experience will give a person" or like Masters in Business is granted to people due to their BUSINESS success.
Ok...I did have large Eagle land on grass, American Eagle and some others love me... However & if they are looking at the other employees I once knew....that may be why.
They also work together & cooperate about you & your relations if you show signs of hostility behind my back.
USA and England and their allies are responsible for the war in Irak and Afghanistan where more than 2 million people were killed. Those responsible have to be brought to justice before the court of human rights in The Hage for their war crimes and they should have to pay a fine of TRILLIONS of Dollars to the Iraki government for the damage they did in this war.
I've always felt the United States' response to the devastating events of September 11th should have been peaceful and reflective of our humanity. Unfortunately, it wasn't. I created a video and posted it on my channel to honor those who lost their lives that morning and in the wars that followed. Peace is possible, but it has to start somewhere.
@TheUFCbruh stfu? How lazy have you kids become, you can't even spell out "shut the fuck up," if you're an adult, however, I feel sorry for you! Good luck running around in circles you brain dead sheep.
@JuanOfaKind88 lol, everything has to do with the educational system, huh? The fact I am not a little bitch like you has everything to do with me being uneducated, lol.
Take your L and go to another site to spit your hippy pussyness
People need to stop saying that all Americans are imperialist pigs or ignorant racists. I acknowledge the fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, and that not all people of middle eastern decent hate America. Now you people calling all Americans ignorant and racist need to acknowledge that we are not all like that, including myself.
bush is a bible beating shit bird..he wants to put people under god for his grand pappies tobacco fields...the upper classes he works for want to continue wiping their asses with money..so they need to go pillaging
Im sick of these fucking Americans thinking they are so righteous and innocent and doing the world a favour fighting all these phoney wars for so called freedom the americans caused all the problems in the first place now they try to clean up their mess by more wars " we are so innocent and doing the right thing "they always dribble & here the morons are guns in hand as usual marching across other peoples countries shooting up the place , just pay your fucking debts & stop thieving off others
@MgoMuse what, you think you can't send in smaller groups of special forces to assassinate those kinds of people or something? or do you honestly think america should've bankrupted itself on a war that essentially ended in their influence being shaken off bit by bit in the middle east while it collapses from the inside out economically and one of it's communist rivals out does it from here on out?
@MgoMuse but also, this whole al qaeda thing began with america, in fact I've seen a number of videos supporting the iraq war that agree that the war there is about influence, something al qaeda is about stopping (foreign influence from america) if the people that support the war say it, the people that don't the war say it, I think we can figure out that it's probably true by this point if you weren't so paranoid about it, you'd know that turkey is moderate because it got independence early
@MgoMuse hardly! because I know my history, I know what kinds of actions you do to pull off what kinds of jobs you're looking for the reason I say incompetence or corruption is because if it wasn't for a corrupt purpose most of these things are the stuff that any historian would smack you for suggesting "hey let's be like the british in their venture into afghanistan! theirs didn't work! let's do it again!" "hey let's blow out the infrastructure and rapidly try to change their society!"
@MgoMuse I mean all in all, having kept up with the afghanistan war, it's like a different variation of the kind of stuff vietnam was you go over to a nation rich in material resources, use their stuff to get your corporations contracts to get the minerals, and to rebuild the place for money, and you get people's support by promoting freedom and democracy and you go in, lose a few thousand people, kill a few thousand, make an enemy for the military industrial political complex and phew!
@MgoMuse of course, there's also generally national interest oriented stuff like "you have soldiers right beside various nations that aren't friendly to you so you can hurt them if you want to, and quickly" kinds of stuff all that strategic and tactical positioning, good stuff really... and by attacking you make them defensive and not so offensive, and you pick their homeland for the suicide bombs to go off in, great picking of the location of engagement kills your influence though...
@MgoMuse also, it kills your bank account, and it kills your reputation and look at where america is today? in the shit, deep :p imperialism isn't star wars where everybody is best friends with the emperor or something except the rebels, it's basically doing at an international level, what republicans do to america at a national level, it's just an extension of republican domestic policy, no big deal right?
@MgoMuse I certainly ascribe names, places, dates and labels, but if you are referring to namecalling as a phenomenon to use one or two words to insult someone by labeling them inaccurately I'm afraid I can't help you on that one I only use accurate labels, you'll have to ask the immature children and adults why they namecall or you could explore it for yourself, you seem to be the kind of person that would do well with that sort of thing
When America nuked the two Japanese cities they killed 140,000+ innocent people. Another 2 million died in the next 5 years. They have bombed civilians of
you are american? learn about your history, about the the scha, how us supported iraq to attack iran.how the cia supporting revolutions to set rulers that are us friendly and human rights treated like shit. us playing bad games with many countries sine the 2nd world war, when eisenhower warned the nation that the military-industrial complex getting too much power. but that happened.
can u explain otherwise why it´s ok to attack iran with wmd, but kuwait attacking is not? economic hitmen, heard
@nintruendo The UN may be shit, but what right does the US have in invading other countries illegally? But that's beside the point, the point is that the US's invasion of Iraq wasn't even about Sadam Hussein, it was about oil and maximising the military budget. This was the most immoral, inept, illegitimate, flawed, pointless and disasterous military intervention since Vietnam!
@McCoyslefthand My Dad has a bunch of family friends who are Vietnamese and the older adults, who still have lots of family back there, are all very happy that the USA intervened and stopped the treat of communism. I feel that one day the Iraqis and Afghanis will feel the same, and many of them already do. When people in power become mass murderers, good has a right to confront evil. It's the USA's job to step up, and the rest of the world still expects it.
@nintruendo But the US didn't stop the "threat" of communism, as North Vietnam remained communist and took over South Vietnam too. I would never be presumptuous enough to pretend I spoke for all the Vietnamese, like you pretend to, but why don't you ask the families of the millions of dead Vietnamese (and the thousands of dead Cambodians) how they feel?
The rest of the world doesn't look for the US to step up, the government's recent exploits mean the US is almost universally despised.
@McCoyslefthand The US DID stop the threat of communism. As a matter of fact, it stopped the SPREAD of communism dead in its tracks. After the Vietnamese war, not another country in the world became communist, and there are only 5 communist counties in the world today. The Pros far out-way the Cons.
The rest of the world doesn't look for the US to step up? Of course not. Not until they need the US, that is. As Saudi Arabia and Kuwait both did in the Gulf War.
@iconindy What an oversimplified view of the world you have; it's us versus them (be they communist or terrorist). After Vietnam Grenada became communist (before Reagan broke international law and invaded), and many other Latin American countries were veering that way until the CIA intervened.
I can't believe you think Vietnam was a success; they won, you had to withdraw!
You should be ashamed of the atrocities the US commited during the cold war, both sides were as bad as each other.
What an oversimplified view of the Vietnam War you have. After the stand, no country became communist from there on. They've only died down and off.
I'm not ashamed of my country or its actions. I don't just blindly follow, I've seen what goes on and for what reasons, and I've made my educated objective decision, and then chose my side.
@iconindy You literally have no idea what you are talking about! Several countries became communist after the end of the Vietnam war.
Vietnam did NOTHING to affect the outcome of the cold war, the so called communist block always had control over a much smaller amount of the world's wealth, plus the fact that China and USSR were not united at all by the end.
wmd's or not, connections to al queda or not, sadaam murdered his people by the hundreds of thousands. any one who values god, humanity and life itself knows that murdering rapist of a mad man and all of his demonic sons should have been killed. that thick veil of bs you weak dems hide your eyes with needs to be wiped away. if you defend sadaam or any one like him in any way, please rid yourself of this world you hate so much.
@nintruendo But that wasn't why we went to war! We went to war for strategic and economic reasons. Sadam Hussein was just an easy target. Nobody disputes his terrible atrocities, but the US has no interest in deposing dictators. Think of the number of dictators the US has let remain in power, and worse, helped to seize power.
@McCoyslefthand That's why wars are fought in this world. It's been like that since the dawn of man. The world is far better off without Saddam Hussein, and Gaddafi is next. The nail that sticks out gets hammered down. BTW who are these dictators we help seize power? Fuck it, I don't even care. If they start acting up over there, we should eliminate 'em just the same.
@nintruendo Dictators that you've helped seize power? Pinochet in Chile (killed thousands and tortured thousands more), Suharto in Indonesia (commited genocide in East Timor), Mobutu in DRC (extremely kleptocratic) and don't forget that you also allowed Sadam Hussein to remain in power in the first gulf war AFTER he commited all these atrocities. Morals my arse. The UN should decide, what gives the US the authority to attack?
u son of bitch the criminal and the terrorist bush inside the job son of bitch he's with illuminati and the blackhood and freemasons they's all unit i have the evidence that they know that trade center will be destroyed in 9 -11since 1997 in the simpson serie episod 1997 and 1993 they said freemasons run the country ,that's the point white on youtube (simpson 9-11) it's way to enter in irak and afganistan
bush kept america and the world safe from terrorists that wanted to cause chaos around the world he did his job so stop your bitching you little liberal leeches
Bush is a way better president than obama could ever be because he didnt shake hands with terrorists he blew the fuck out of them
iraq is a great example of americas strength for good
whats wrong boy? its called freedom of speech KKK can exist, u talk shit cuz u dont know shit democrat bitch suckin on al gores dick right now, america should be gettin rid of the bloods and the crypts KKK is a strong advocate for america and what it stands for
Instead of going after the ones who really caused 9/11, we went ahead and became terrorists to another nation by giving them their own 9/11.. I never knew the answer to one terrorist group's violence was to attack a country that had nothing to do with the initial group that murdered our people. I was opposite Lee Greenwood during this time. It wasn't a time to be proud when we came off no better than Al Queda.
God, I'd like to wipe that smile off his face. He's about to start an operation that killed millions and he's fuckin smiling! Probably recalling that duckling book from grade school (911). I recall one reporter saying "when president Clinton had oral sex in the oval office, I was ashamed of my president, but when Americans elected George W. Bush, I was ashamed of the American people". Seriously, how could the people that built such a country elect this imbecile? I just don't get it.
Lol at butthert whiny democrat college kids that hypocritically whine about how the country runs the world yet they have no other choice to live in the States because they rely on their parents on their living means.
I like how all the anti-Bush guys hide behind international law to call him out. I don't like Bush, and think he's a corporate tool. But I don't care about international law, I care about NATIONAL law. My country's law.
fuck bush? really, he is alot better then obama alrite, what do u want obama to do? just pull every one out and say the war is over, yea thats not smart, obama if u have notesed hasnt done one thing he said he would
thats cause politicians are like used car salesman they say whatever they want you to hear to make a sale....then the shit breaks down im sure you get the metaphore
I've always supported the war sense day one. How can you call yourselves a super power and not hit back after 9/11. I mean if they want to attack a western nation that won't fight back do it to France.
911 was an inside job.And insult france? what would you have done if you saw thousands of german tanks and aircraft coming straight for you? and are you forgetting Britain was fighting alongside the french.And ever hear of Napoleon?
@jimmy27paul 9/11 wasn't an inside job. It was a terrorist attack that opened the door for Bush to invade Iraq and kill Saddam for trying to off his daddy when he was in office. Took alot of balls to stand at ground zero and lie to all the workers and family members of those smashed in the rubble. Unless those bombs were very loud and audible from Pakistan, I am pretty sure the people who knocked down our buildings never heard from us.
"Nukular weapons! Mushroom clouds! Be afraid! Be very afraid! I was asleep at the switch with my pants down on 9-11 despite all the warnings! Therefore we must invade Iraq!"
You know why we're really there? Because the corporate interests that really control America want money, they get money from the war, they destroy the country, the defense contractors get money from this endless "War on Terror", then after the country is blown to shit, they get double the amount for rebuilding it from construction companies. They dont give a DAMN about whos suffering.
Cost US billions and plunged us into debt to invade Iraq, and oil revenues go to the Iraqis. But even if that weren't the case, who cares? If Roosevelt had stocks in a big Japanese country and that was his actual reason for dec'ing war on Japan in 1941, then blame him all you want. The action itself is moral and just and liberated millions.
My point is still this, that there are problems everywhere in the world, people who have the ability to truely fix those problems are instead looking for ways to make a quick buck, even though investing in feeding, clothing, educating, and housing all the poor in the world would turn a profit multiple times, no to mention solve the problem of dissident militant groups, because there would be no poverty or struggles of the magnitude that cause upheavels around the world.
liberated millions? we executed one tyrant and caused the killings of innocent civilians in six-figure # !!! How do u think that is moral? Al qaeda wasn't even there until we invaded the country, and gave them a motive. Their thinking is that they are trying to kick out the foreign invaders. Now even i hate Al qaeda b/c they target the civilian sector and they are radicals, but im saying that b/c we invaded the country, we gave them a mission. We shud have gone only to Afghanistan, not Iraq.
@facebook36 we all know we should have gone to Afghanistan ... problem is that it is 9 years too late for that ... were going now, but the damage has been done
@facebook36 Again I will explain this to someone. We went to Iraq to overthrow a evil dictator and get better relations for oil in the process. And I think Bin Laden is already dead, he was probably killed in the first bombs we dropped on all the caves.
@BenjaminFrankenstein Over throwing a evil dictator, getting oil, and ridding the place of terrorist. Sounds like a pretty good idea to me. It's not our job to overthrow a evil dictator? We are the most powerful country in the world, so why not do something good for the rest of the world while making us even stronger?
@facebook36 If we were going to go into Iraq, we should have went into North Korea and Cuba too. We either have to takeout all the sons of bitches or none.
@facebook36 Did you forget about the Gulf War? This war was largely based on repercussions and reestablishments of terrorist groups in Iraq after the Gulf War. There were multiple insurgent groups in Iraq when we invaded, and we squashed most of them like the cockroaches they are. When we finished the Gulf War, thousands of citizens were slaughtered by insurgents that flooded Iraq prior to the invasion. We had a reason to go back. I've fought there on 4 separate occasions. I know what I'm saying
@McCoyslefthand Not exactly... I believe that serving for 25 years in the United States Air Force on multiple accounts cleaning up Germany, South Korea, and waging war on Iraq and Afghanistan both, gives me and my opinion a considerable amount of credibility when compared to your uneducated and unsupported, opposing thesis.
@iconindy Is that the same US Air force that accidentally bombed its own army, bombed civilian mosques, killed many civilians and bombed Al Jazeera? If you honestly think the invasion of Iraq was justified, you really have no idea what you are saying
@McCoyslefthand Are you trying to act like the US is the only Air Force with friendly casualties? It tends to happen when shit gets dropped from the sky. Destroying mosques and killing civilians is avoided, but it happens. It is a casualty of necessary warfare. You are another uneducated punk who has been brainwashed by the liberal media to believe that the US is inferior, and nothing but a bully who punches other countries for fun. Read a book, kid.
@iconindy When the civilian death toll approaches 1 million, the military must be doing something wrong. But “necessary warfare” shows a complete lack of knowledge. Do you really think the neo-conservatives wanted to invade Iraq because of some “insurgent groups”? The stated reasons for intervention (WMD and links to Al-Quaida) have both been proven to be a pack of lies; even Colin Powell admits this. Hiding strategic interest behind high principles is laughable. We have blood on our hands, man.
@iconindy Let's not dwell on whether or not you understand referencing.
Iraq has the world's third largest oil reserves. The US stood to increase its control of the world's oil reserves from 31% to 41% by invading Iraq. The US dollar uses oil as its standard. At the end of 2006, the new Iraqi government passed over control of oil reserves to Western companies. Bush never mentioned this in the run up to the war, he tried to used the pack of lies as high principles for invasion.
@McCoyslefthand Son, we are the most powerful military force in the history of mankind. If we went into Iraq for oil, we'd have our damn oil, and gas would be under $1/Gal. I've been to Iraq. I was their when it all went down and I was there to stand by and help clean that shit-pile up. There's nobody that wanted us to be there more than the Iraqi people themselves.
Don't believe everything you hear. Especially not on the news.
@McCoyslefthand We most certainly do have the most powerful military in the world. Argue it otherwise. Maintaining military dominance is maintaining freedom and democracy as the beacon of hope for the world. We lost Vietnam? If you think of it objectively, after that war, not another country in the world became communist. The communist expansion was halted in its tracks. Oil companies OWNED BY ISLAMIC NATIONS will want to make the west SUFFER, therefore it will not drop tolerable price.
5) I do not doubt that Iraqis wanted to see an end to Sadam Hussein, but do you honestly think the Iraqis supported the killing of so many civilians, terror, insecurity, scandals like Abu Ghraib? You are also not considering the wider perception of the West as imperialists in the Middle East, and the Iraq war as a mere extension of the Israel/Palestine conflict: the Iraqi people did NOT want you there!
6) The US is not, and has never wanted to spread freedom and democracy
@McCoyslefthand You're simply wrong. If we wanted to expand our nation's boarders, we'd own half the world. We are not this aggressive expansionist empire that you uneducated liberals think we are. We fought communism in Korea and Vietnam for the mere purpose of that the expanding enemy stood for every value that combatted freedom and democracy. You have no experience in foreign affairs, whether they be military or diplomatic. Deal with your ignorance.
@iconindy So you don't know anything about the cold war either? Was the US supporting freedom and democracy when they backed Mobutu, Suharto, Savimbi and Pinochet?
But anyway, you are avoiding the point. You have yet to give one legitimate justification for invading Iraq.
@McCoyslefthand First, we went to war against Iraq because Saddam's army invaded a sovereign nation for oil. We defended the freedom of the Kuwaiti people. Then we invaded Iraq BOTH because we BELIEVED they had weapons of mass destruction, and because we KNEW they were associated with al-Qaeda, and because we wanted to remove Saddam from power, because he was killing his own people by the hundreds of thousands. We saved the lives of millions through this war. There's your fucking justification.
@iconindy That’s a pretty lame justification for going to war illegally; all three points are false.
- If they really wanted to know whether Iaq had WMD, why did they not consult their own middle east weapons expert until 18 months AFTER the invasion??
- There was NO link between Sadam Hussein and Al-Quaida, I thought everyone knew that (he was head of a secular party).
- This last point is the most stupid I've heard. You saved the lives of millions by KILLING a million???
@iconindy In which case why don't the US invade Saudi Arabia? Their oppressive regime has no freedom or democracy, there are public executions and women are subject to backward laws. They actually have long distance weapons, most of Al Qaida's funding goes through them, and most of the 9/11 'team' were saudis!
But you'll never invade because Saudi Arabia are your allies and they sell you loads of oil. The war wasn't about freedom and democracy, it was about economic and strategic interest.
@McCoyslefthand We don't invade Saudi Arabia because they are like every other muslim Caliphate in the world! Iraq WAS NOT! Iraq was a land of Genocide and disgusting leadership that resulted in the death of millions of citizens for NO reason whatsoever. If we made war with Saudi Arabia for being like every other muslim establishment, THEN we would be an aggressive expansionist empire. But of course we get criticized for the one nation we do defend, by bitchy little fucks like you. Get a clue.
@iconindy You don't defend a nation by attacking it, the contradiction is obvious to most people. Most people can also see through Bush's thinly veiled attempts to legitimize the war. I didn't realise that some people still thought that Sadam Hussein was linked to Al Qaida; he wasn't.
p.s. I'm sure most countries in the Middle East would not appreciate being labelled as the same sort of 'muslim establishment' as Saudi Arabia.
@McCoyslefthand You defend the people of the nation by attacking those who set out to oppress them for their own personal gain. We don't run through the streets shooting citizens, now do we? No. Stop speaking out your ass. THAT point is obvious to most people.
@iconindy I'll let the death toll of this disasterous invasion speak for itself, as well as the few opinion polls which have managed to be conducted. The war further isolated the US from the rest of the world and really polarised a lot of opinions in the Middle East. You should be ashames of your government's actions, as I am of mine
@McCoyslefthand Nope. I've been there. I've ween what's happened. I know why we're there and I'll stand for it until the day I die. Where are you from?
@iconindy I don't care if you've been there, you're still as clueless as all of those 'embedded' news reporters. You still don't understand why Iraq was invaded and you still believe in Bush's lies.
@McCoyslefthand Yes. Obviously a random citizen from god knows where, knows more of the situation at hand than a man who was in the thick shit of the situation for almost 10 years. I have the same civilian perspectives as you do, I just have a military perspective as well. One that is more credible by every stretch of the imagination. The information aspect favors me. The liberal media favors you.
You seem as if you only want something to bitch about.
He is son of the bitch fuck his mother and wife I would like to fuck him
97khattak 2 weeks ago
Should really try Salvation
I cannot even take another class & do it....
only like what "experience will give a person" or like Masters in Business is granted to people due to their BUSINESS success.
Ok...I did have large Eagle land on grass, American Eagle and some others love me... However & if they are looking at the other employees I once knew....that may be why.
They also work together & cooperate about you & your relations if you show signs of hostility behind my back.
JoseCleveland 1 month ago
stole the election in Florida and DESTROYED THE American economy.
FAXBEAT 1 month ago
The people of the USA actually voted for this man of such limited intelligence and they did it twice.
3replybiz 2 months ago
@3replybiz We know he stole the election actually....
grandlars 2 months ago
@3replybiz yeah once
TheVillan64 1 month ago
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USA and England and their allies are responsible for the war in Irak and Afghanistan where more than 2 million people were killed. Those responsible have to be brought to justice before the court of human rights in The Hage for their war crimes and they should have to pay a fine of TRILLIONS of Dollars to the Iraki government for the damage they did in this war.
News107 3 months ago
hag him high
144000V 3 months ago
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I've always felt the United States' response to the devastating events of September 11th should have been peaceful and reflective of our humanity. Unfortunately, it wasn't. I created a video and posted it on my channel to honor those who lost their lives that morning and in the wars that followed. Peace is possible, but it has to start somewhere.
marcpedraza 4 months ago
there is only one word to describe DUMB bush speech VERBAL DIARRHEA !!!
niceboy60 4 months ago
Oh how Bush, Chenney and all their cronies will burn in hell, if it exists...support our troops not the war, lets bring em back home,
JuanOfaKind88 5 months ago
@JuanOfaKind88 youre an idiot.
G1formation 4 months ago
@G1formation and that would make you a mentally challenged individual.
JuanOfaKind88 4 months ago
@JuanOfaKind88 So long as you agree that youre an idiot.
G1formation 4 months ago
@JuanOfaKind88 what if they don't wanna go home? why don't you stfu?
TheUFCbruh 4 months ago
@TheUFCbruh stfu? How lazy have you kids become, you can't even spell out "shut the fuck up," if you're an adult, however, I feel sorry for you! Good luck running around in circles you brain dead sheep.
JuanOfaKind88 4 months ago
@JuanOfaKind88 STFU TLDR And don't be a mad little bitch that the military wants to fuck shit up and you wanna be a little bitch LOL
TheUFCbruh 4 months ago
@TheUFCbruh You've been let down by our educational system...I'm sorry.
JuanOfaKind88 4 months ago
@JuanOfaKind88 lol, everything has to do with the educational system, huh? The fact I am not a little bitch like you has everything to do with me being uneducated, lol.
Take your L and go to another site to spit your hippy pussyness
TheUFCbruh 4 months ago
People need to stop saying that all Americans are imperialist pigs or ignorant racists. I acknowledge the fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, and that not all people of middle eastern decent hate America. Now you people calling all Americans ignorant and racist need to acknowledge that we are not all like that, including myself.
MgoMuse 6 months ago
@MgoMuse "not all muslims are terrorists" !? sounds like you're implying that most muslims are terrorists!
i suggest you rephrase this next time, in order to avoid sounding like an ignorant racist
McCoyslefthand 4 months ago
@McCoyslefthand so by trying not to be racist, im now racist. Great point
MgoMuse 4 months ago
@McCoyslefthand It only implies that some muslims are terrorists, which is completely true.
I suggest you take a course in logic, in order to avoid sounding like a moron.
Pakketeretet 3 months ago
@Pakketeretet not all norwegians are terrorists
McCoyslefthand 3 months ago
@McCoyslefthand I totally agree.
Pakketeretet 3 months ago
Bush is the biggest terrorist of the world! WMD my ass!
rbergman1979 6 months ago
FUCK THE USA! BURN THEM!!!
Lordiboy14 6 months ago
Bush a true born again Christian responsiblr for Deaths of 84000 Iraqi and Afghan kids
shadowofears 6 months ago
bush is a bible beating shit bird..he wants to put people under god for his grand pappies tobacco fields...the upper classes he works for want to continue wiping their asses with money..so they need to go pillaging
human0un 6 months ago
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Im sick of these fucking Americans thinking they are so righteous and innocent and doing the world a favour fighting all these phoney wars for so called freedom the americans caused all the problems in the first place now they try to clean up their mess by more wars " we are so innocent and doing the right thing "they always dribble & here the morons are guns in hand as usual marching across other peoples countries shooting up the place , just pay your fucking debts & stop thieving off others
URGENTinsurgent 7 months ago
the war in the middle east is entirely america's fault, if america hadn't invaded, there'd be no war
nothing to say you can't send some special ops to assassinate some people though, but war has certain economic advantages
noobler9 7 months ago
@noobler9 your joking, right?
MgoMuse 6 months ago
@MgoMuse what, you think you can't send in smaller groups of special forces to assassinate those kinds of people or something? or do you honestly think america should've bankrupted itself on a war that essentially ended in their influence being shaken off bit by bit in the middle east while it collapses from the inside out economically and one of it's communist rivals out does it from here on out?
noobler9 6 months ago
@MgoMuse but also, this whole al qaeda thing began with america, in fact I've seen a number of videos supporting the iraq war that agree that the war there is about influence, something al qaeda is about stopping (foreign influence from america) if the people that support the war say it, the people that don't the war say it, I think we can figure out that it's probably true by this point if you weren't so paranoid about it, you'd know that turkey is moderate because it got independence early
noobler9 6 months ago
@noobler9 There was war in the middle east long before we stuck our noses in there, so dont say that shit
MgoMuse 6 months ago
@MgoMuse which one might that be?
noobler9 6 months ago
@noobler9 6 day war, iran-iraq war, hamas
MgoMuse 6 months ago
@MgoMuse oh you mean the ones that were over 10 or more years ago? yea those really don't count sorry bud you'll have to do better :o
noobler9 6 months ago
@noobler9 I see your very educated, and arguing would do nothing. But you are wrong, sir.
MgoMuse 6 months ago
@MgoMuse hardly! because I know my history, I know what kinds of actions you do to pull off what kinds of jobs you're looking for the reason I say incompetence or corruption is because if it wasn't for a corrupt purpose most of these things are the stuff that any historian would smack you for suggesting "hey let's be like the british in their venture into afghanistan! theirs didn't work! let's do it again!" "hey let's blow out the infrastructure and rapidly try to change their society!"
noobler9 5 months ago
@MgoMuse I mean all in all, having kept up with the afghanistan war, it's like a different variation of the kind of stuff vietnam was you go over to a nation rich in material resources, use their stuff to get your corporations contracts to get the minerals, and to rebuild the place for money, and you get people's support by promoting freedom and democracy and you go in, lose a few thousand people, kill a few thousand, make an enemy for the military industrial political complex and phew!
noobler9 5 months ago
@MgoMuse of course, there's also generally national interest oriented stuff like "you have soldiers right beside various nations that aren't friendly to you so you can hurt them if you want to, and quickly" kinds of stuff all that strategic and tactical positioning, good stuff really... and by attacking you make them defensive and not so offensive, and you pick their homeland for the suicide bombs to go off in, great picking of the location of engagement kills your influence though...
noobler9 5 months ago
@MgoMuse also, it kills your bank account, and it kills your reputation and look at where america is today? in the shit, deep :p imperialism isn't star wars where everybody is best friends with the emperor or something except the rebels, it's basically doing at an international level, what republicans do to america at a national level, it's just an extension of republican domestic policy, no big deal right?
noobler9 5 months ago
@noobler9 well im not even old enough to vote yet, so dont argue with me
MgoMuse 5 months ago
@MgoMuse I never argue, I only correct immature children and adults, it's them arguing with me ;)
noobler9 5 months ago
@noobler9 name calling is for adults?
MgoMuse 5 months ago
@MgoMuse I certainly ascribe names, places, dates and labels, but if you are referring to namecalling as a phenomenon to use one or two words to insult someone by labeling them inaccurately I'm afraid I can't help you on that one I only use accurate labels, you'll have to ask the immature children and adults why they namecall or you could explore it for yourself, you seem to be the kind of person that would do well with that sort of thing
noobler9 5 months ago
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When America nuked the two Japanese cities they killed 140,000+ innocent people. Another 2 million died in the next 5 years. They have bombed civilians of
Chile in 1973, and killed 50,000
Vietnam war and killed millions
N. Korea and killed? millions
Libya in 1987 and killed 15,000
Iraq and have killed over a million
Afghanistan and have? killed 300,000
palestine and killed millions
They disregard human life for victory.
Yet their acts are not terrorism?
zakaria1661 7 months ago
you are american? learn about your history, about the the scha, how us supported iraq to attack iran.how the cia supporting revolutions to set rulers that are us friendly and human rights treated like shit. us playing bad games with many countries sine the 2nd world war, when eisenhower warned the nation that the military-industrial complex getting too much power. but that happened.
can u explain otherwise why it´s ok to attack iran with wmd, but kuwait attacking is not? economic hitmen, heard
domdadon018 9 months ago
@domdadon018 about it? economic warfare, with military warfare is the last step of it...
domdadon018 9 months ago
the UN? HAHAHA! That's a good one.
nintruendo 9 months ago
@nintruendo The UN may be shit, but what right does the US have in invading other countries illegally? But that's beside the point, the point is that the US's invasion of Iraq wasn't even about Sadam Hussein, it was about oil and maximising the military budget. This was the most immoral, inept, illegitimate, flawed, pointless and disasterous military intervention since Vietnam!
McCoyslefthand 9 months ago
@McCoyslefthand My Dad has a bunch of family friends who are Vietnamese and the older adults, who still have lots of family back there, are all very happy that the USA intervened and stopped the treat of communism. I feel that one day the Iraqis and Afghanis will feel the same, and many of them already do. When people in power become mass murderers, good has a right to confront evil. It's the USA's job to step up, and the rest of the world still expects it.
nintruendo 9 months ago
@nintruendo But the US didn't stop the "threat" of communism, as North Vietnam remained communist and took over South Vietnam too. I would never be presumptuous enough to pretend I spoke for all the Vietnamese, like you pretend to, but why don't you ask the families of the millions of dead Vietnamese (and the thousands of dead Cambodians) how they feel?
The rest of the world doesn't look for the US to step up, the government's recent exploits mean the US is almost universally despised.
McCoyslefthand 9 months ago
@McCoyslefthand The US DID stop the threat of communism. As a matter of fact, it stopped the SPREAD of communism dead in its tracks. After the Vietnamese war, not another country in the world became communist, and there are only 5 communist counties in the world today. The Pros far out-way the Cons.
The rest of the world doesn't look for the US to step up? Of course not. Not until they need the US, that is. As Saudi Arabia and Kuwait both did in the Gulf War.
iconindy 9 months ago
The Pope did more to end communism in Europe than anything the US did.
MrNitro071 9 months ago
@iconindy What an oversimplified view of the world you have; it's us versus them (be they communist or terrorist). After Vietnam Grenada became communist (before Reagan broke international law and invaded), and many other Latin American countries were veering that way until the CIA intervened.
I can't believe you think Vietnam was a success; they won, you had to withdraw!
You should be ashamed of the atrocities the US commited during the cold war, both sides were as bad as each other.
McCoyslefthand 9 months ago
@McCoyslefthand Vietnam in and of itself was not a success.
What an oversimplified view of the Vietnam War you have. After the stand, no country became communist from there on. They've only died down and off.
I'm not ashamed of my country or its actions. I don't just blindly follow, I've seen what goes on and for what reasons, and I've made my educated objective decision, and then chose my side.
iconindy 9 months ago
@iconindy You literally have no idea what you are talking about! Several countries became communist after the end of the Vietnam war.
Vietnam did NOTHING to affect the outcome of the cold war, the so called communist block always had control over a much smaller amount of the world's wealth, plus the fact that China and USSR were not united at all by the end.
Your decision is neither objective nore educated
McCoyslefthand 9 months ago
@McCoyslefthand because they can, their military is more powerful then the rest of the world. sad but true....
domdadon018 9 months ago
wmd's or not, connections to al queda or not, sadaam murdered his people by the hundreds of thousands. any one who values god, humanity and life itself knows that murdering rapist of a mad man and all of his demonic sons should have been killed. that thick veil of bs you weak dems hide your eyes with needs to be wiped away. if you defend sadaam or any one like him in any way, please rid yourself of this world you hate so much.
nintruendo 9 months ago
@nintruendo But that wasn't why we went to war! We went to war for strategic and economic reasons. Sadam Hussein was just an easy target. Nobody disputes his terrible atrocities, but the US has no interest in deposing dictators. Think of the number of dictators the US has let remain in power, and worse, helped to seize power.
McCoyslefthand 9 months ago
@McCoyslefthand That's why wars are fought in this world. It's been like that since the dawn of man. The world is far better off without Saddam Hussein, and Gaddafi is next. The nail that sticks out gets hammered down. BTW who are these dictators we help seize power? Fuck it, I don't even care. If they start acting up over there, we should eliminate 'em just the same.
nintruendo 9 months ago
@nintruendo Dictators that you've helped seize power? Pinochet in Chile (killed thousands and tortured thousands more), Suharto in Indonesia (commited genocide in East Timor), Mobutu in DRC (extremely kleptocratic) and don't forget that you also allowed Sadam Hussein to remain in power in the first gulf war AFTER he commited all these atrocities. Morals my arse. The UN should decide, what gives the US the authority to attack?
McCoyslefthand 9 months ago
Is Al-qaeda still around? Is the Taliban still around? Yes. Is terrorism still around? Yes. This war is just another Vietnam
CommandanteAcosta 10 months ago
Bush is i'n ass
yemeny12345 11 months ago
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timeniazaipal 11 months ago
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WHY NOT DO THIS TO , IRAN OR NORTH KOREA??? FEAR??? SADAM WAS NOT A RIVAL. the us only attacks weak coutries like the panama invasion in 1989,,,
PLEASE WATCH THIS DOCUMENTARY (1/12 The Panama Deception), I DID NOT KNOW NOTHING OF THIS.
edxx7 1 year ago
u son of bitch the criminal and the terrorist bush inside the job son of bitch he's with illuminati and the blackhood and freemasons they's all unit i have the evidence that they know that trade center will be destroyed in 9 -11since 1997 in the simpson serie episod 1997 and 1993 they said freemasons run the country ,that's the point white on youtube (simpson 9-11) it's way to enter in irak and afganistan
abdokhanhaha 1 year ago
@abdokhanhaha Simpsons did it!
nintruendo 9 months ago
the end coming very soooon to the enemy of god
karemarta 1 year ago
usa treated irag like a doormat
saigondj 1 year ago
bush kept america and the world safe from terrorists that wanted to cause chaos around the world he did his job so stop your bitching you little liberal leeches
Bush is a way better president than obama could ever be because he didnt shake hands with terrorists he blew the fuck out of them
iraq is a great example of americas strength for good
XaosKunKillYourself 1 year ago
@XaosKunKillYourself LMFAO! Are you retarded? 9/11 Could have been prevented by Bush. Did he prevent it though?
Thouht not.
SWGVonogardPelo 1 year ago
@XaosKunKillYourself you killed 100000 iraqi civilians
there were no WMDs
i dunno bout obama but bush was pure fuckin evil
jonlscott 1 year ago
@XaosKunKillYourself dont be proud be ashamed of this part of your history
it scares me that people like u exist
jonlscott 1 year ago
@XaosKunKillYourself The bible, Mein Kampf, White is Right?????
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH U, NO WONDER U LOVE THE SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE UR A KKK PIG
jonlscott 1 year ago
@jonlscott
whats wrong boy? its called freedom of speech KKK can exist, u talk shit cuz u dont know shit democrat bitch suckin on al gores dick right now, america should be gettin rid of the bloods and the crypts KKK is a strong advocate for america and what it stands for
LEARN THE FACTS
XaosKunKillYourself 1 year ago
i wish we could just nuke that whole country, the radiation will kill the terrorists in their little hidy holes
saik0pod 1 year ago
@saik0pod Yes, put an atomicbomb in president Bush's ass, and kill his terrorists!
kalltvatten 1 year ago
Instead of going after the ones who really caused 9/11, we went ahead and became terrorists to another nation by giving them their own 9/11.. I never knew the answer to one terrorist group's violence was to attack a country that had nothing to do with the initial group that murdered our people. I was opposite Lee Greenwood during this time. It wasn't a time to be proud when we came off no better than Al Queda.
halftimesportscards 1 year ago
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This war criminal has blood on his hands. He was preparing to send young men to their deaths and he was a draft dodger!
What a piece of shit this S.O.B is!
My mom says ditto!
MrNitro071 1 year ago
This war criminal has blood on his hands. He was preparing to send young men to their deaths and he was a draft dodger!
What a piece of shit this S.O.B is!
My mom says ditto.
MrNitro071 1 year ago 2
@MrNitro071 So what are you, 13?
iconindy 9 months ago
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No. I am not 13.
MrNitro071 9 months ago
Obama is a TERRIBLE president.... Long live GEORGE W. BUSH!
ttinsley23 1 year ago
he's better than obama
ussoldiersm316 1 year ago
God, I'd like to wipe that smile off his face. He's about to start an operation that killed millions and he's fuckin smiling! Probably recalling that duckling book from grade school (911). I recall one reporter saying "when president Clinton had oral sex in the oval office, I was ashamed of my president, but when Americans elected George W. Bush, I was ashamed of the American people". Seriously, how could the people that built such a country elect this imbecile? I just don't get it.
parahumanoid 1 year ago
@parahumanoid It was rigged, he would have won no matter what. When he "travels state to state" its all staged
Steph3ns 1 year ago
FUCK YOU...YOU BICTH
AN ABNORMAL PRESIDENT.........
mOrher fuker....BUSH
po15yah 1 year ago
Terrorist president
MLMProspectPros 1 year ago
BUSH WHAT AND ASS HEY SHOULD GO LIVE IN IRAQ WITH HIS BUTT BUDDY
beastking55 1 year ago
FAIL
donutvampire105 1 year ago
LOL
jabao1990 1 year ago
Lol at butthert whiny democrat college kids that hypocritically whine about how the country runs the world yet they have no other choice to live in the States because they rely on their parents on their living means.
MoJoThundRpants 1 year ago
@MoJoThundRpants You don't sound very smart man, what is the point you are trying to make?
MarcusKiner 1 year ago
@MarcusKiner either you deal with how shit is run by the US or you GTFO
MoJoThundRpants 1 year ago
@MoJoThundRpants Gotcha, well I'm in the Air force, so I know how to deal.
MarcusKiner 1 year ago
FAKE
ralphhersheljunior 1 year ago
bush= anticristo
el dios de la guerra
hugonof 1 year ago
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americans are cowards all what they can do is bombing civilians and torturing prisoniers. STOP AMERICAN TERRORIST
oussamac 1 year ago
I like how all the anti-Bush guys hide behind international law to call him out. I don't like Bush, and think he's a corporate tool. But I don't care about international law, I care about NATIONAL law. My country's law.
Arkethot 1 year ago
George.W.Bush you are war criminal!!!!!!
mc1510 2 years ago
fuck bush? really, he is alot better then obama alrite, what do u want obama to do? just pull every one out and say the war is over, yea thats not smart, obama if u have notesed hasnt done one thing he said he would
MrNascarfan388 2 years ago
thats cause politicians are like used car salesman they say whatever they want you to hear to make a sale....then the shit breaks down im sure you get the metaphore
itzamia 1 year ago
I've always supported the war sense day one. How can you call yourselves a super power and not hit back after 9/11. I mean if they want to attack a western nation that won't fight back do it to France.
dadecountyhustler305 2 years ago
911 was an inside job.And insult france? what would you have done if you saw thousands of german tanks and aircraft coming straight for you? and are you forgetting Britain was fighting alongside the french.And ever hear of Napoleon?
jimmy27paul 2 years ago
@jimmy27paul 9/11 wasn't an inside job. It was a terrorist attack that opened the door for Bush to invade Iraq and kill Saddam for trying to off his daddy when he was in office. Took alot of balls to stand at ground zero and lie to all the workers and family members of those smashed in the rubble. Unless those bombs were very loud and audible from Pakistan, I am pretty sure the people who knocked down our buildings never heard from us.
halftimesportscards 1 year ago
I gave your mom an inside job
dadecountyhustler305 2 years ago
1.) Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
2.) France was also attacked by terrorists.
Cupit29 2 years ago
fuck bush....im so glad hes out, but im very disappointed that obama is carrying out the Afghanistan campaign
rdaniels95 2 years ago
lol
Jm4nu3l 2 years ago
having his hair combed, fuckin lazy twat, the yanky slut forgot to brush his eyebrows
thedevil147 2 years ago
@thedevil147
Bush is from the south man. Yanks are from the north. Ya fukn yankee
frailbar 2 years ago
to many foreigners all Americans are yanks
AmericanValues321 2 years ago
@AmericanValues321 If those from the North are Yanks, what is the correct term for the Southerners?
repo136 1 year ago
sisterfuckers
Ele3tricEye 1 year ago
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groove72 2 years ago
TheNobamaman --- 8000 imperialist soldiers ...
aviomaster 2 years ago
2:53 " wat u say bitch ! i:ll whoop yo ass"
hahaha
josholiver09 2 years ago
"Nukular weapons! Mushroom clouds! Be afraid! Be very afraid! I was asleep at the switch with my pants down on 9-11 despite all the warnings! Therefore we must invade Iraq!"
AtlasShruggery 2 years ago 7
@AtlasShruggery That makes no sense to invade. Be logical not ignorent!!!
dlinechamp78 11 months ago
-- IRAQI people will tell you what they think of USA army in IRAQ ... 8000 and counting ...
aviomaster 2 years ago
8000 what? apples, fat people ??
TheNobamaman 2 years ago
You know why we're really there? Because the corporate interests that really control America want money, they get money from the war, they destroy the country, the defense contractors get money from this endless "War on Terror", then after the country is blown to shit, they get double the amount for rebuilding it from construction companies. They dont give a DAMN about whos suffering.
ClassicRockr86 2 years ago
Cost US billions and plunged us into debt to invade Iraq, and oil revenues go to the Iraqis. But even if that weren't the case, who cares? If Roosevelt had stocks in a big Japanese country and that was his actual reason for dec'ing war on Japan in 1941, then blame him all you want. The action itself is moral and just and liberated millions.
sirmolio 2 years ago
My point is still this, that there are problems everywhere in the world, people who have the ability to truely fix those problems are instead looking for ways to make a quick buck, even though investing in feeding, clothing, educating, and housing all the poor in the world would turn a profit multiple times, no to mention solve the problem of dissident militant groups, because there would be no poverty or struggles of the magnitude that cause upheavels around the world.
ClassicRockr86 2 years ago
liberated millions? we executed one tyrant and caused the killings of innocent civilians in six-figure # !!! How do u think that is moral? Al qaeda wasn't even there until we invaded the country, and gave them a motive. Their thinking is that they are trying to kick out the foreign invaders. Now even i hate Al qaeda b/c they target the civilian sector and they are radicals, but im saying that b/c we invaded the country, we gave them a mission. We shud have gone only to Afghanistan, not Iraq.
facebook36 2 years ago 15
@facebook36 I agree,
TMundo 1 year ago
@facebook36 we all know we should have gone to Afghanistan ... problem is that it is 9 years too late for that ... were going now, but the damage has been done
ChuckNorris924 1 year ago
@facebook36 Again I will explain this to someone. We went to Iraq to overthrow a evil dictator and get better relations for oil in the process. And I think Bin Laden is already dead, he was probably killed in the first bombs we dropped on all the caves.
luketurd 1 year ago
@luketurd It's not our job to overthrow "a evil dictator" for no reason. "Get better relations for oil"? Steal their oil,you mean...
BenjaminFrankenstein 1 year ago
@BenjaminFrankenstein Over throwing a evil dictator, getting oil, and ridding the place of terrorist. Sounds like a pretty good idea to me. It's not our job to overthrow a evil dictator? We are the most powerful country in the world, so why not do something good for the rest of the world while making us even stronger?
luketurd 1 year ago
@luketurd Troll harder:)
BenjaminFrankenstein 1 year ago
@BenjaminFrankenstein You may think I'm trolling, but I'm not.
luketurd 1 year ago
@luketurd You said "a evil dictator" twice...If you aren't trolling, you're just ignorant.
BenjaminFrankenstein 1 year ago
@BenjaminFrankenstein Using the same words to get a point across isn't trolling.
luketurd 1 year ago
@luketurd Did you ever learn about the word "an" in school?
BenjaminFrankenstein 1 year ago
@BenjaminFrankenstein Yes, I should have used it before the letter e. I fucked up, I'm sorry. I'm on 1000mgs of vicodin.
luketurd 1 year ago
@facebook36 If we were going to go into Iraq, we should have went into North Korea and Cuba too. We either have to takeout all the sons of bitches or none.
AroundSun 1 year ago
@facebook36 Did you forget about the Gulf War? This war was largely based on repercussions and reestablishments of terrorist groups in Iraq after the Gulf War. There were multiple insurgent groups in Iraq when we invaded, and we squashed most of them like the cockroaches they are. When we finished the Gulf War, thousands of citizens were slaughtered by insurgents that flooded Iraq prior to the invasion. We had a reason to go back. I've fought there on 4 separate occasions. I know what I'm saying
iconindy 11 months ago
@iconindy you have no idea what you are saying
McCoyslefthand 10 months ago
@McCoyslefthand You been to Iraq?
iconindy 10 months ago
@iconindy oh please! you think that serving in the military makes you some sort of expert in the geopolitics of the region? give me a break
McCoyslefthand 10 months ago
@McCoyslefthand Not exactly... I believe that serving for 25 years in the United States Air Force on multiple accounts cleaning up Germany, South Korea, and waging war on Iraq and Afghanistan both, gives me and my opinion a considerable amount of credibility when compared to your uneducated and unsupported, opposing thesis.
iconindy 10 months ago
@iconindy Is that the same US Air force that accidentally bombed its own army, bombed civilian mosques, killed many civilians and bombed Al Jazeera? If you honestly think the invasion of Iraq was justified, you really have no idea what you are saying
McCoyslefthand 10 months ago
@McCoyslefthand Are you trying to act like the US is the only Air Force with friendly casualties? It tends to happen when shit gets dropped from the sky. Destroying mosques and killing civilians is avoided, but it happens. It is a casualty of necessary warfare. You are another uneducated punk who has been brainwashed by the liberal media to believe that the US is inferior, and nothing but a bully who punches other countries for fun. Read a book, kid.
iconindy 10 months ago
@iconindy When the civilian death toll approaches 1 million, the military must be doing something wrong. But “necessary warfare” shows a complete lack of knowledge. Do you really think the neo-conservatives wanted to invade Iraq because of some “insurgent groups”? The stated reasons for intervention (WMD and links to Al-Quaida) have both been proven to be a pack of lies; even Colin Powell admits this. Hiding strategic interest behind high principles is laughable. We have blood on our hands, man.
McCoyslefthand 10 months ago
@iconindy I suggest you start by reading the following books:
Stiglitz J (2008) 'The three trillion dollar war' W. W. Norton, New York
Klein N (2007) 'The shock doctrine: the rise of disaster capitalism' Knopf Canada
Pilger J (2002) 'The new rulers of the world' Verso, London
McCoyslefthand 10 months ago
@McCoyslefthand London, Toronto and New York. Some of the most liberal, and least educated cities in the world? No thanks.
iconindy 10 months ago
@iconindy What a stupid comment! Rather than judging a book by its cover , you judge it by its place of publication!
McCoyslefthand 10 months ago
@McCoyslefthand What a stupid comment! Rather than taking an objective approach to an issue, you cite liberal articles with twisted evidence.
By the way, two of those books I have read, and I decided to research the other last night when you posted. Calm down.
iconindy 10 months ago
@iconindy Let's not dwell on whether or not you understand referencing.
Iraq has the world's third largest oil reserves. The US stood to increase its control of the world's oil reserves from 31% to 41% by invading Iraq. The US dollar uses oil as its standard. At the end of 2006, the new Iraqi government passed over control of oil reserves to Western companies. Bush never mentioned this in the run up to the war, he tried to used the pack of lies as high principles for invasion.
McCoyslefthand 10 months ago
@McCoyslefthand Son, we are the most powerful military force in the history of mankind. If we went into Iraq for oil, we'd have our damn oil, and gas would be under $1/Gal. I've been to Iraq. I was their when it all went down and I was there to stand by and help clean that shit-pile up. There's nobody that wanted us to be there more than the Iraqi people themselves.
Don't believe everything you hear. Especially not on the news.
iconindy 10 months ago
@iconindy
1) The US does not have the most powerful military in the world
2) Massive spending on your military is not something to be proud of, its something to be ashamed of
3) Powerful militaries do not win wars in this day and age (you lost Vietnam and the 'war on terror')
4) Oil companies will always want to make a huge profit, and so will not sell gas for less than a dollar
McCoyslefthand 10 months ago
@McCoyslefthand We most certainly do have the most powerful military in the world. Argue it otherwise. Maintaining military dominance is maintaining freedom and democracy as the beacon of hope for the world. We lost Vietnam? If you think of it objectively, after that war, not another country in the world became communist. The communist expansion was halted in its tracks. Oil companies OWNED BY ISLAMIC NATIONS will want to make the west SUFFER, therefore it will not drop tolerable price.
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@iconindy P.S Overwhelming consensus is that the US lost Vietnam, as North Vietnam remained communist and took over Saigon and South Vietnam.
"not another country in the world became communist" - Grenada did, until Mr Reagan violated international law and invaded them
"Maintaining military dominance is maintaining freedom and democracy as the beacon of hope for the world" - ??? Oh dear
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McCoyslefthand 9 months ago
@iconindy
5) I do not doubt that Iraqis wanted to see an end to Sadam Hussein, but do you honestly think the Iraqis supported the killing of so many civilians, terror, insecurity, scandals like Abu Ghraib? You are also not considering the wider perception of the West as imperialists in the Middle East, and the Iraq war as a mere extension of the Israel/Palestine conflict: the Iraqi people did NOT want you there!
6) The US is not, and has never wanted to spread freedom and democracy
McCoyslefthand 10 months ago
@McCoyslefthand You're simply wrong. If we wanted to expand our nation's boarders, we'd own half the world. We are not this aggressive expansionist empire that you uneducated liberals think we are. We fought communism in Korea and Vietnam for the mere purpose of that the expanding enemy stood for every value that combatted freedom and democracy. You have no experience in foreign affairs, whether they be military or diplomatic. Deal with your ignorance.
iconindy 10 months ago
@iconindy So you don't know anything about the cold war either? Was the US supporting freedom and democracy when they backed Mobutu, Suharto, Savimbi and Pinochet?
But anyway, you are avoiding the point. You have yet to give one legitimate justification for invading Iraq.
McCoyslefthand 9 months ago
@McCoyslefthand First, we went to war against Iraq because Saddam's army invaded a sovereign nation for oil. We defended the freedom of the Kuwaiti people. Then we invaded Iraq BOTH because we BELIEVED they had weapons of mass destruction, and because we KNEW they were associated with al-Qaeda, and because we wanted to remove Saddam from power, because he was killing his own people by the hundreds of thousands. We saved the lives of millions through this war. There's your fucking justification.
iconindy 9 months ago
@iconindy That’s a pretty lame justification for going to war illegally; all three points are false.
- If they really wanted to know whether Iaq had WMD, why did they not consult their own middle east weapons expert until 18 months AFTER the invasion??
- There was NO link between Sadam Hussein and Al-Quaida, I thought everyone knew that (he was head of a secular party).
- This last point is the most stupid I've heard. You saved the lives of millions by KILLING a million???
McCoyslefthand 9 months ago
@McCoyslefthand Saddam Hussein was killing his own people by the thousands. How can you say that it's wrong for us to try to stop that?
iconindy 9 months ago
@iconindy In which case why don't the US invade Saudi Arabia? Their oppressive regime has no freedom or democracy, there are public executions and women are subject to backward laws. They actually have long distance weapons, most of Al Qaida's funding goes through them, and most of the 9/11 'team' were saudis!
But you'll never invade because Saudi Arabia are your allies and they sell you loads of oil. The war wasn't about freedom and democracy, it was about economic and strategic interest.
McCoyslefthand 9 months ago
@McCoyslefthand We don't invade Saudi Arabia because they are like every other muslim Caliphate in the world! Iraq WAS NOT! Iraq was a land of Genocide and disgusting leadership that resulted in the death of millions of citizens for NO reason whatsoever. If we made war with Saudi Arabia for being like every other muslim establishment, THEN we would be an aggressive expansionist empire. But of course we get criticized for the one nation we do defend, by bitchy little fucks like you. Get a clue.
iconindy 9 months ago
@iconindy You don't defend a nation by attacking it, the contradiction is obvious to most people. Most people can also see through Bush's thinly veiled attempts to legitimize the war. I didn't realise that some people still thought that Sadam Hussein was linked to Al Qaida; he wasn't.
p.s. I'm sure most countries in the Middle East would not appreciate being labelled as the same sort of 'muslim establishment' as Saudi Arabia.
McCoyslefthand 9 months ago
@McCoyslefthand You defend the people of the nation by attacking those who set out to oppress them for their own personal gain. We don't run through the streets shooting citizens, now do we? No. Stop speaking out your ass. THAT point is obvious to most people.
iconindy 9 months ago
@iconindy I'll let the death toll of this disasterous invasion speak for itself, as well as the few opinion polls which have managed to be conducted. The war further isolated the US from the rest of the world and really polarised a lot of opinions in the Middle East. You should be ashames of your government's actions, as I am of mine
McCoyslefthand 9 months ago
@McCoyslefthand Nope. I've been there. I've ween what's happened. I know why we're there and I'll stand for it until the day I die. Where are you from?
iconindy 9 months ago
@iconindy I don't care if you've been there, you're still as clueless as all of those 'embedded' news reporters. You still don't understand why Iraq was invaded and you still believe in Bush's lies.
McCoyslefthand 9 months ago
@McCoyslefthand Yes. Obviously a random citizen from god knows where, knows more of the situation at hand than a man who was in the thick shit of the situation for almost 10 years. I have the same civilian perspectives as you do, I just have a military perspective as well. One that is more credible by every stretch of the imagination. The information aspect favors me. The liberal media favors you.
You seem as if you only want something to bitch about.
iconindy 9 months ago