prin apo ligo ipe oti den eixan kane stixio xia tous souliotes pos kseri toses leptomeris kai idika to thriskeyma i tous ipolipous pou eitan tourki tous sfaksate? mia zwh paramithia poylate
to be Albanian you have to be born Albanian from 100 percent Albanian parents do meter what religion you are.hahaha to be greek is a joke,you have just to claim it yourself,i think it is a big difference.
Everyone wants a piece of Greek HISTORY... I do not blame you... You made Georgios Iskariwths albanian... Alexander the Great half albanian... Souliotes albanian soldiers... And i can understand that. Your history is short and empty. You need things to make you proud... Just like Persians.THEY say that Alexander is HALF Persian. Slavs say MAKEDONES were slavs... EVERYBODY wants a piece of our history...
@priestharis you need to read more my friend. if you do you will soon find out that modern greek is thanks to Albanians, like it or not. stop living in illusion your greek history is not all true you have to realize that sooner or later
@priestharis No my friend, you're wrong. It's the opposite actually. Everyone wants to be accredited for and wants that piece oh history that the modern Greek state incorporated as his. Are you eve listening to this documentary??!!!...Why do you have to have listen in soundbites??!!!...I know truth hurts, but it will set you free.
This documentary it's propaganda at it's best, trying to hide as much as possible things that cannot be hidden because they are so evident.
@priestharis ....the facts, the legends, the traditions, the customs, the whole Suliot culture and history go so much against this documentary that even them in some way, in undertones, say that they were of Albanian/Arvanites/Arber/Illyrian/Pellasgian origins (call them whatever you want - i would rather call them, desendents of today's so called "Albanians"), but accroding to this fat guy with ugly mustaches. Their origins are not important, but whats important is that they became Greeks.
@pelasgian3 and we all know what it takes to be greek! see a greek priest for 10 minutes and automatically you;re granted right of claim to ancient greek ancestry directly related to Zeus lol
@priestharis ...this documentary, at least admists that they didn't have any national consciousnes but that they fought for their own freedom, and that their struggle echoed throughout Greece. Yes indeed, very much so, but to deny their origins and to take advantage of them by making them bielive that God only hears you in Greek is a blasphemy. Yes they were Christians Orthodox, as I am. I've heard many of your "kind" in here say that I'm Greek. I don't understand the connection though.
@priestharis your history after the 18th century is plastic. it is like chinese food! everybody was a piece of modern greek history i.e albanans, slavs, vallchs etc and that is because they are a part of it. the only requiron o be a greek is "baptism in a greek orthodox church" regardless of ethnic group, genetic make up or country of origin! and that my friend is the ridiculuos gree history of the modern era
@priestharis You do not have to be sarcastic in your comments. Maybe it is better to find out if the sulioti were greeks why would they speak albanian or arvanites as you say? Not all orthodox are greeks. Where are the vlah in greece or would you say there are none? The biggest disadvantage of the arvanites was the absence of the written language. Greeks did their best to prevent it, even killing the teachers of the albanian language. One of those killed was Papa Kristo Negovani.
Ton Got'tho paganisti stin Ellada ton lene "germano", ton Germano protestanti ton lene pali Germano kai ton Germano Katholiko pali Germano.... mono me ton Albano orthodokso allazei i Istoria )-: Telos panton tous 35% Xristianous pou zoun sthn simerini Albania, kai aytoys Toyrkalvanoys tha tous peite?
"ουδέν άλλο έπραττον ειμή να καθαρίζωσι τα όπλα και να σημαίνωσι την κιθάραν, τραγουδώντας Αλβανιστί τους ηρωϊσμούς των" Prosopiki martyria to P. Xioti gia tous Soliotes.
Opos panta oi alwanoi prospathoun na parousiasoun to mayro aspro. To Souli itan einai kai tha einai Ellada. Merika kolopaida tou Mperisa omos den to exoun katalawi akoma.
Nations are not a static concept.Serbs and Bosniaks were once people of the same nation.Are they now?No.Practically once all the Germanic people belonged the same protogerman community(are Englishmen and German of the same nation?),and even earlier all the Indoeuropeans composed the protoindoeuropean culture.
What I m trying to say here is that if you say that Sulliots were Albanian heroes,is the same insultive like Saying that Milosevic was a Bosniak Politician.Long before the times of the heroes all bonds were broken,new national identities had already emerged and Sulliots and Albanians Belonged to different nations and the opposite side.
Baah leave Alexi out of the talk.The last thing I want is the conversation to be joined by the pseudomacedonian slavs and start with their usual mumbo jumbo.
Albanian is the one that is himself part of the Albanian Culture,CONSIDERS HIMSELF an albanian and feel connected and affiliation to the rest of the Albanian nation.He can live in Albania,Italy,Zimbambue,North Pole.Someone who does not consider himself an Albanian but Greek and feels rivalry towards the albanian nation is not an Albanian.That s what I m saying.
the truth is that Ali Pasha was an turk-albanian and hi dont like the christian comunity around epir...Hi hate the albanian and the greek christians..
This is clear bullshit .......... based on fairy tales...
didn't Ali Pasha protect Kosmas etolian ? , spreading his faith and ellenization around albania?
what about the coference that was held in Janina .. where Ali invited all Albanians(tosk and gegs) and greeks ... to raise against turks.. but they didn't support him by neither side..
Ali Pasha did not Protect Kosmas the Aetolian cause he was killed many years before his rise to Power.Ali Pasha was a controversial personality,on the one hand he fancied some aspects of culture and his court was a gathering of great scientist and artists,on the other hand he showed extraordinary cruelty towards his opponents and captives,and the most important....,he did not keep his promises and he had no besha(that is why he actually wasn't trusted even by his very own men)
I never said that Ali Pasha was a religious jealot and I told you that his interest in arts and science was worth mentioning.I told that he was cruel to anybody who opposed his despotic and harsh rule and that he wasn't a man of his wordr.On the other hand he did good both to Albanians and Greeks.The first by playing an important part on the creation of an Albanian National identity,the second indirectly by keeping a lot of Ottoman forces busy during the start of the Greek Revolution.
Esenca e shperndarjeve e shqiptareve brenda kombeve te tjera per shkak te fese ,eshte pjeserisht e vertet... Shumica jane shperndare dhe emigruar neper shtete te tjera per arsye ekonomike dhe gjakmarrje ...
Pavaresia e Vonuar eshte per shkakun qe shqiptaret u zgjuan vone.... Kishin rene rehat me thene te verteten ne perandorin ottomane,
ngaqe te gjithe administratat po edhe udheheqesit ishin shqiptar ... keshtu qe ishte si province gjysem autonome brenda Perandorise...
Shiptart nuk jan t'percam vetem prej besimit fetar, por apriori na jena t'ndam edhe ne dimensionet krahinore, dialektore, ekonomike, e personale (meqense Shiptart jan popull qe thekson ambicien e rehatin personale mi qellimet e tansise/gjithsise)..........Prandej na kujtohet edhe ma fuqishem pytja ekzistenciale.........
A asht Shipnija thjesht nji shprehje Gjeografike??? A jena vetem nji popull i mshtetun mi kolona abstrakte, t'cillat u projektun n'mendjen e rilindasve???
And my personal opinion on the change of the Albanian view on the Sulliots and Arvanites(until a few years ago the where consider hatefull fillogreket and antisqyptaret traitors and now they are considered heroes).It has to do with the need of the albanian immigrant in greece to belong-to fit in.But SULLIOTS AND THE ARVANITES ARE ONLY THEIR SONS AND DESCENDANTS HERITAGE AND NOBODY ELSE'S.
My dear greek friend or whover you are: History is history and cannot be distorted or denied. We don't claim heroes of the others and we don't like the others make heroes that are not theirs. The speaker here says it clearly: Some say they are albanians (christian orthodox as myself) but they fought for their freedom and the freedom of those lands around here at a time there was no Greece (and no Albania). So their cause is Universal: they fought that they live free people and a free life.
You claim Sulliots to be the long lost relatives of your ancestors(who by the way disliked your ancestors and vice versa),while we are their direct kinship-and nobody can deny that.Who has got the right to take credit for them and lay claim on their heritage?Express your opinion but dont push it too far.The heroes themselves wouldn't like to know that the grandsons of their enemies spend so much time praising them.You got your own grandfathers to praise(unless you think they do not deserve it)
Look man .. I already told you that Some families of Suli came and are still living in Albania ...
The suliots were/are Tosk albanians ... so they belong to albanian ethnos racially and culturaly....
if you have a problem with that ... it's your problem..
If you are Suliot by genes ... then you have the right to claim albanian Heroes From north to south Albania ... the same I have with the albanogenis of greece ... since we belong to the same race..
I do not want to insult or be hostile,but there are some truths that you should know.Every time you make a tribute video about Sulliots or the Arvanites you must know that you piss of their childern and heirs who are not very fond of you.
if suliotes are your ancestors and that is how you feel about albanians dos not bothered me,I dont expect anything nice from you arvanites or anybody other in this world a part from my family,in fact you in greece are the only one we argue with,arvanites in italy happy told us ther roots have scanderbeg in the midle of the town and the red flag when there is special day, you in greece are very insecure about yourselfs and roots that is becouse fashist socity you liv in
Sulliots were among the first members of the Philiki Eteria and even if their first language was albanian they considered themselves greeks for historical and religious reasons.The same applies for their descendats(one of whom I am) who live in Greece are patriotical Greeks and feel no relation or sympathy towards albanians.What I notice is that you respect my ancestors and us,but this is an one sided friendship and affection.Neither do we like you,neither our ancestors did
how do we piss of their children just by saying the truth,were dit their fathers and grandfathers lived before 18c what flag dit they hymn where is their national hero they dit not just come from nowere.if you consider yourself as one of their children start to undarstend more about history and false history,we all liv to be proud for what we are and were we com from regardles what others think
The tzavella fara was settled in Greece,if somebody in Albania has this surname doesnt mean that they are the Grandchildren of Kitso Tzavela and his kins
In this strange world,people come to adore the ones their ancestors fought against.How do modern albanians like sulliotes when their grandfathers where the ones that fought against them?Possibly some of your ancestors died of sulliote hands.Thanks for respecting my ancestors but you must know this is strange.
The reason we adore them is because they are our ancestors and spoke our language, while you adore them because they fought against the turks for you, because Greeks by nature were submissive peoples - yanissaries.
Sulliots after being expelled by the turkalbanians of Ali Pasha ressetled in Peloponessus and have offsprings that live in Greece and are Greeks.Ali Pasha's army had offsprings that live in Albania and are Sqypetaris.Sulliotes are not you ancestors,Ali Pasha is so love him instead not his enemies.
We both know who were submissive and janissaries' the ones who were converted to Islam....the ones who until the start of the 20th century consider themselves turks.You
Initially the recruiters favoured Greeks (who formed the largest part of the first units) and Albanians (who also served as gendarmes), usually selecting about one boy from forty houses, but the numbers could be changed to correspond with the need for soldiers. Boys aged 14-18 were preferred, though ages 8-20 could be taken....
many greeks died of alexander the great hands when hi was in war with greece but you made him greek hero so what is the diference that ali pasha was in war with suliotes, this greek video say some greeks went with suliotes and some WITH TURKS and never links suliotes as greeks.YOU WERE GIFTED FREEDOM BY ARVANITES,SULIOTES,ALI PASHA AND THE BRITISH IS FAKT THAT YOU CAN'T EXEPT
prifit i dreqit i futi shqipatret nen grindje, suliotet jane trima te vertete por fatkeqesisht per greket kane qene dhe ngelen shqipetare dhe greke sdo te jene kurre!
Nuk ka faj Prifti kur politika shqiptare sod i thot armiqve vllezir Kishen Ortodoxe Shqiptare e perfasqon Kryipeshkvi Grek Ajo asht turb!!! Pse mos mi pas Shqiperija priftat Ortodox Shqiptar???
Kur nuk guxojm me haru se Sllavet Helent Dhe Turqt jan Armiq Shekullor Shqiptar!!!
Nuk Guxojm me leju mi ba Armiqt kryezot te kombit ton!!!
Mas éhoun príxei ta arhídia merikoí pou léne oti ítan tourkikôs zigos k gi´aftô kápoioi éllines máthane alvaniká. Válte lígo to mialô sas na doulépsei, re paidiá-tourkikôs ítan o zigôs ohi alvanikôs.
Diladí ti mas léte oti oi toúrkoi ítan stin Elláda 500 hrônia k kanénas éllinas den émathe tourkiká (simera einai 0,1% tourkôfonoi stin Elláda), alla me ta 18 hrônia sto pasalíki tou o Ali Pasás katáfere k sas rízose ta alvaniká (simera einai15% arvanites)?!
vre asxete poio polu tourkalvanikos zugos htan para tourkikos, oi tourkalvanoi mas polemousan. an htan alvanoi opws les giati polemousan tous allous alvanous???des enan arvanith kai ela pes mou an sou moiazei gia alvanos, kamia sxesh.
ka8aroi ellhnes einai. eseis oi alvanoi prospa8hte na klepsete hrwes apo thn ellada giati polu apla den exete oute enan.
Esi eisai pliros Asxetos .... diavase mia gia ton Ali Pasha kai tin istoria tou kai meta ela mila edw re ANISTORITE........
vaivaios esi den ksereis oti O Ali Pasha epevale to Nomo se oli tin epikrateia tou kai xoris kamia ekseresi alvanos,ellinas,mousoulmanos,xristianos
epevale to Nomo tou Othomanikou Zigou.
Den epevale tin Alvaniki glossa , i opoia apagoravotan apo tin Autokratoria , sti sinexia kata to telos tou othomanikou zigou ,prospathisan na plasaroun tin grafi me aravikus xaraktires
Vaivaios den Kseris kai gia tin Sfagi tou Alvanikou(arvanitiku) plithismou tis Peloponissou apo tin sinergasia Kapetanewn (pateras kolokotroni) kai Turkwn gia tin eksontosi ton arvaniton apo peloponisso ...........
ekei pou les sfagiastikan tosa atoma pou eftiaksan Piramida me ta kefalia ton skotomenon arvanitwn .........
poios den kserei istoria re vlamene, esu ksereis tis malakies pou sou exoun ma8ei sthn alvania. eimai alvanos egw??? ahahahahaha. egw mporw na isxurist oti olh h eurwph einai ellhnosporoi kai 8a exw ki ena dikio afou oi ellhnes phgan pantou, alla oxi kai oi tourkalvanoi
@Axeldevil karagkiozako afou xereis kala giati to kana ayto giati den to les ;;;;xexnas ti eixan kanei oi alvanoi aytoi kai gia pio logo tous eixan ferei ;;;na kanoun oti kanan;;
Να σου πω όμως μια διαφορά των χωρών μας; Αν κάποιος ιστορικός σας δικός σας ήθελε να ισχυριστεί ότι η Βόρεια Ήπειρος είναι ελληνική όχι μόνο δεν θα έβρισκε βήμα στην κρατική τηλεόραση αλλά πιθανότατα ένα ικρίωμα στην πλατεία των Τιράνων.
re alvave giati oloi oi alvanoi hrwes htan se ksena krath??? to exeis skeftei pote???
giati xasate me anoixta ta poldia apo tous ellhnes ston 2o paggosmio polemo???
pou einai oi alvanoi polemistes???LOL.
twra akouw apo merikous alvanous na lene oti ki o mega alexandros htan alvanos.hahahahahaha. den exete istoria parte to xampari, oute oi arvanites einai alvanoi oute o alexandros oute o lewnidas
lege oti 8es esu malaka. to oti oi alvanoi hr8an kai phran ta edafh mas kai katevhkame notia den shmainei oti eimaste alvanoi re vlamene. lefteria sthn voreia hpeiro pou einai ellhnes. prwtoi prwtoi oi arvanites 8a epite8oun. 8a deis
@Axeldevil elliniko aima exeis edo kai 2500 xronia apo tote pou to meros poy legete simera alvania itan ellinikes apoikies patna vasei istorikon stixion. ta simadia tis ellinikotitas tis simerinis alvanias mporeis na ta deis kanontas mia volta se olous tous arxaiologikous xorous pou iparxoun se olous'mono ellada ''kai alvanos einai autos pou diloni alvanos oxi autos pou milaei alvanika oi alvaniki glossa einai gemati ellinika kai onomata ellinika opos kai to diko sou .ektos an einai tourkiko
re malaka realmacedonian ti mou leges oti oi Tourki den tous afinan na milane Ellhnika? mpooouuuaaahhhhhh xaxaaxaxaxaxaxaxax anikse ta matia sou re malaka! mpas kai mathis tin hstoria to topou sou! krima gia sena kai gia kapious alous malakes san ton unmarkedX pou mas kali tourkoalbanous DITE RE MALAKES GIA NA MATHETE
Το κουτί της Πανδώρας - Η Ελλάδα ποτέ δεν πεθαίνει
1hMAL,O Mαμαλακης ειναι Αλβανος? και δεν το ξερω? Μαλον ειναι ενας Ελληνας που ξερει πολυ καλα τι λεει... προπαγανδα για την χορα του, δεν νομιζω να κανει...
Και το κρατικο Ελληνικο καναλι 3, κανει προπαγανδα για την Ελλαδα? :Ι
μπασταρδος εισε εσυ και ολοι οι τουρκαλβανοι μπασταρδοι που ζουν στην ελλαδα.παρτο χαμπαρι, μογγολος γενηθηκες, μογγολος θαψοφισεις.αρβανιτης δεν εισε ουτε θα γινεισ ποτε.
Ali Pash Tepelena , eshte figure shum e debatuar. Ne kohen e tij s'kishte lindur ende, ose me mire, s'ishte pjekur fort ideja e kombit tek shqiptaret, e as tek kombet e tjera.
Aliu ka merita vetem per krijimin e rregullit, shtetit te par, fitimit te autonomis, krijimit te nje ushtri te perhershme prej gati 30 000 shqiptaresh qe s'e kemi edhe sot. Krijoi histori, beri emrin Shqiptar te njohur ne Evrope aq sa sulltanit ju desh te mblidht 24 pashallare nga gjith Ballkani per ta shtypur.
Gabimet e Aliut ishin mosgarantimi i te drejtave fiseve te lira, sic ishin Suljotet per shembull. Bushatllinjte e shkodres u lidhen ne aleance me malsoret , Aliu preferoi ti shtypte edhe pse pozita e Suljotve me malsoret ndryshon shume.
Ky thote se nuk dihet ca gjuhe flitej ne Sul, sipas historis greke Suljotetmerreshin vesh me shenja dhe i kishin marre borxh rrobat tek shqiptaret.
aliu ju kercenua himarjoteve dhe u dergoi nje perfaqsi dhe u tha qe te ndrojne fene.himarjotet u mblodhen dhe e pleqeruan ate pune dhe i kthyen nje pergjigje te zgjuar.pasha i thane ne kemi jetuar me krahet tona deri me sot nuk na ka dhene buke krishti por po na jep buke muhameti ne e ndrojme fene .kur vajten tek aliu dhe i thane kete pergjigje kthyen himarjotet aliu tha heh u treguan te zgjuar[ himarjotet] dhe i la nuk i ngacmoi se i kishte larg 160 km nga janina,suliotet i kishte tek fryma.
delvinjotja nje grua e mire qe besonte shume ne fene myslimane iu lut disa here aliut i thoshte leri suliotet se do marresh nemen e tyre ,dhe ashtu ndodhi i prene koken turqit.aliu nuk degjoi djemte kur vajti i ra turgut pashes se beratit [turguti pashai i beratit ishte vjerri i veliut dhe myftarit harrameve te aliut].ne kardhiq vrau 650 burra.suliotet qene shqiptare dhe mos te thone se aliu i vrau suliotet si ortodokse ose qe ishin greke.ali beri gabim qe nuk nenshtroi himarjotet......
ky ka qene gabimi i aliut por atehere vepronte shpata .aliu i sulmoi suliotet se i kishte shume afer dhe ata i delnin pengese per bashkimin e trojeve shqiptare dhe per pavarsine e shqiperise nga turqia.suliotet jetonin zakonisht si rojtare te krahinave perreth se suli ishte vet nje krahine e varfer.filluan konflitet ndermjet tyre dhe aliut ,por aliu ishte me i fuqishem.suliotet bejne kompromis me ruset atehere aliu u inatosdhe u shpalli lufte.para se te niste ushtrine e shoqja e aliut....
Yes, y'isn't greece know about it,SULI and SULIOTES,MARKO BOCHARI,NOTI BOCHARI and the SULI history.I know about SULI my grand father always used to sing,MARKO BOCHARI SULIOT,EZEZA E QAN ME LOT.
eee...ama ja futi! E tha ..toka i beri helen! Dhe kjo toke na qenkerka eladha?! ahahaha...Po mire keta populli qe jetojne me perralla, po edhe historianet s'kane me turp e thone genjeshtra.
S'dinte c'te thonte atje. Edhe regjizori s'dinte c'te bente edhe i kane thene thuaj qe i beri toka greke greker, se ne fillim e tha qarte qe sjane greker. Te dhjefsha eladhen ti thuash, se suli vete nga emri ka qene toke shqiptare den baba den.
It is an unwritten policy in Greece that you cannot say in ANY way that someone that contributed to the making of the "Greek" state and current culture is NOT Greek.
(meaning, we desperately want to reconstruct a new Greece, even with Chinese if possible)
Therefore, in Greece now you have people that want to accept it but don't know how make it known. So they find "stupid excuses" like the one you heard:
Flm per dokumentarin dhe perkthimin. Dhe vete malakat e tregojne qe suliotet ishin vecse shqiptare. Duken nga zakonet, nga temperamenti, nga trimeria, nga dashuria per liri etj etj.
Te lutem ... Per me teper shikoni ne (myspace) tek faqja e Lirio Nushit , dokumentarin qe ka bere per arvanitet , ku flasin vete kryetaret e shoqatave arvanite.. per arvanitasit ne shqip...
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Do te kthehem prap me perkthimin e te njejtit dokumentar ne ET3 qe flet per marko bocarin..
ky dokumentar eshte ne shume pjese,por vetem do te shkepusim disa pjese... ngaqe eshte pak e veshtire ta perkthesh te gjithe........
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this is a cooking show and the fat guy is a cooker... gz u found the proofs of greek propaganda now eat up :P
rurounisld 1 month ago
prin apo ligo ipe oti den eixan kane stixio xia tous souliotes pos kseri toses leptomeris kai idika to thriskeyma i tous ipolipous pou eitan tourki tous sfaksate? mia zwh paramithia poylate
mgkolonjari 3 months ago
Suli 100% albanian...but orthodox albanian.
Which is albanian nevertheless.
dopamine83 4 months ago
Suli,tmerri i Ali Pashait!
Ne ate kohe,nuk kishte nje vend tjeter ne Europe dhe ne bote,qe te krahasohej denjesisht me Sulin...!
Laluci007 5 months ago
to be Albanian you have to be born Albanian from 100 percent Albanian parents do meter what religion you are.hahaha to be greek is a joke,you have just to claim it yourself,i think it is a big difference.
albolondon 5 months ago
Everyone wants a piece of Greek HISTORY... I do not blame you... You made Georgios Iskariwths albanian... Alexander the Great half albanian... Souliotes albanian soldiers... And i can understand that. Your history is short and empty. You need things to make you proud... Just like Persians.THEY say that Alexander is HALF Persian. Slavs say MAKEDONES were slavs... EVERYBODY wants a piece of our history...
priestharis 1 year ago
@priestharis
Empty Words...... Do u have any documents ? cause we have plenty..
Axeldevil 1 year ago 7
@priestharis you need to read more my friend. if you do you will soon find out that modern greek is thanks to Albanians, like it or not. stop living in illusion your greek history is not all true you have to realize that sooner or later
spinxakbc 10 months ago
@priestharis No my friend, you're wrong. It's the opposite actually. Everyone wants to be accredited for and wants that piece oh history that the modern Greek state incorporated as his. Are you eve listening to this documentary??!!!...Why do you have to have listen in soundbites??!!!...I know truth hurts, but it will set you free.
This documentary it's propaganda at it's best, trying to hide as much as possible things that cannot be hidden because they are so evident.
pelasgian3 10 months ago
@priestharis ....the facts, the legends, the traditions, the customs, the whole Suliot culture and history go so much against this documentary that even them in some way, in undertones, say that they were of Albanian/Arvanites/Arber/Illyrian/Pellasgian origins (call them whatever you want - i would rather call them, desendents of today's so called "Albanians"), but accroding to this fat guy with ugly mustaches. Their origins are not important, but whats important is that they became Greeks.
pelasgian3 10 months ago
@pelasgian3 and we all know what it takes to be greek! see a greek priest for 10 minutes and automatically you;re granted right of claim to ancient greek ancestry directly related to Zeus lol
hekoka 6 months ago
@priestharis ...this documentary, at least admists that they didn't have any national consciousnes but that they fought for their own freedom, and that their struggle echoed throughout Greece. Yes indeed, very much so, but to deny their origins and to take advantage of them by making them bielive that God only hears you in Greek is a blasphemy. Yes they were Christians Orthodox, as I am. I've heard many of your "kind" in here say that I'm Greek. I don't understand the connection though.
pelasgian3 10 months ago
@priestharis your history after the 18th century is plastic. it is like chinese food! everybody was a piece of modern greek history i.e albanans, slavs, vallchs etc and that is because they are a part of it. the only requiron o be a greek is "baptism in a greek orthodox church" regardless of ethnic group, genetic make up or country of origin! and that my friend is the ridiculuos gree history of the modern era
hekoka 6 months ago
@hekoka thats all? what about greek culture and language.. so if i take a chinese guy and baptism him he will be greek right?
Greece had arvanites slavs and vlachs as the other countries around it had also.
go to wikipedia and read the ridiculous greek history and if u dont like it no hard feelings.
rurounisld 1 month ago
@priestharis no its the opposite, you tok their history and they want it back now.
lulzimi 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@priestharis You do not have to be sarcastic in your comments. Maybe it is better to find out if the sulioti were greeks why would they speak albanian or arvanites as you say? Not all orthodox are greeks. Where are the vlah in greece or would you say there are none? The biggest disadvantage of the arvanites was the absence of the written language. Greeks did their best to prevent it, even killing the teachers of the albanian language. One of those killed was Papa Kristo Negovani.
1ngatirana 1 week ago
eshte per te qare kur e digjon kete istori sa keq me vjen. te pa harruar qofshin.!
marios3ful 1 year ago
Ton Got'tho paganisti stin Ellada ton lene "germano", ton Germano protestanti ton lene pali Germano kai ton Germano Katholiko pali Germano.... mono me ton Albano orthodokso allazei i Istoria )-: Telos panton tous 35% Xristianous pou zoun sthn simerini Albania, kai aytoys Toyrkalvanoys tha tous peite?
"ουδέν άλλο έπραττον ειμή να καθαρίζωσι τα όπλα και να σημαίνωσι την κιθάραν, τραγουδώντας Αλβανιστί τους ηρωϊσμούς των" Prosopiki martyria to P. Xioti gia tous Soliotes.
Erius1982 1 year ago
YOU ARE GREEK , YOU ARE GAY
GREEK = GAY
I FUCK ALL YOU PEOPLE GAY
filaqoticam 1 year ago
Opos panta oi alwanoi prospathoun na parousiasoun to mayro aspro. To Souli itan einai kai tha einai Ellada. Merika kolopaida tou Mperisa omos den to exoun katalawi akoma.
1hMAL 1 year ago 4
Nations are not a static concept.Serbs and Bosniaks were once people of the same nation.Are they now?No.Practically once all the Germanic people belonged the same protogerman community(are Englishmen and German of the same nation?),and even earlier all the Indoeuropeans composed the protoindoeuropean culture.
gkioniskk 2 years ago
What I m trying to say here is that if you say that Sulliots were Albanian heroes,is the same insultive like Saying that Milosevic was a Bosniak Politician.Long before the times of the heroes all bonds were broken,new national identities had already emerged and Sulliots and Albanians Belonged to different nations and the opposite side.
gkioniskk 2 years ago
Ok with that logic of yours .... Alexander the Great was not Greek ... but a Macedonian ... so nobody can claim him..
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Baah leave Alexi out of the talk.The last thing I want is the conversation to be joined by the pseudomacedonian slavs and start with their usual mumbo jumbo.
gkioniskk 2 years ago
you don't get it do you ...?
what I mean here is that..
States come and go , but ethnicity stays no matter what ...
Albanian is not only the one that lives in albanian state..
so I can still consider Albanians ... the albanians of Kosovo ,macedonia,greece,italy,usa.....
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Albanian is the one that is himself part of the Albanian Culture,CONSIDERS HIMSELF an albanian and feel connected and affiliation to the rest of the Albanian nation.He can live in Albania,Italy,Zimbambue,North Pole.Someone who does not consider himself an Albanian but Greek and feels rivalry towards the albanian nation is not an Albanian.That s what I m saying.
gkioniskk 2 years ago
the truth is that Ali Pasha was an turk-albanian and hi dont like the christian comunity around epir...Hi hate the albanian and the greek christians..
MrSkilax 2 years ago
This is clear bullshit .......... based on fairy tales...
didn't Ali Pasha protect Kosmas etolian ? , spreading his faith and ellenization around albania?
what about the coference that was held in Janina .. where Ali invited all Albanians(tosk and gegs) and greeks ... to raise against turks.. but they didn't support him by neither side..
you should read more MrSkliax....
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Ali Pasha did not Protect Kosmas the Aetolian cause he was killed many years before his rise to Power.Ali Pasha was a controversial personality,on the one hand he fancied some aspects of culture and his court was a gathering of great scientist and artists,on the other hand he showed extraordinary cruelty towards his opponents and captives,and the most important....,he did not keep his promises and he had no besha(that is why he actually wasn't trusted even by his very own men)
gkioniskk 2 years ago
1)Look when I meant protect ... I meant that he protected his figure even after his death ...
he even sponsored a church in honor of Kosmas.
2)Can anyone here blame Ali Pasha that he was against christians ?
I think not ... didn't Janina had Christian Churches... ?
Didn't Ottoman rule respect the religion of christians ?
Axeldevil 2 years ago
I never said that Ali Pasha was a religious jealot and I told you that his interest in arts and science was worth mentioning.I told that he was cruel to anybody who opposed his despotic and harsh rule and that he wasn't a man of his wordr.On the other hand he did good both to Albanians and Greeks.The first by playing an important part on the creation of an Albanian National identity,the second indirectly by keeping a lot of Ottoman forces busy during the start of the Greek Revolution.
gkioniskk 2 years ago
I think that National identity of albanians is a lot older than Ali pasha ....
The one who played a great role in Albanian national identity was Kastrioti and not Ali Pasha..
Ali pasha also wanted to present his father as a Turk...
Axeldevil 2 years ago
It depends what do you mean Greeks ... Albanian Greeks or Greeks greeks ?
Axeldevil 2 years ago
meqe fjalet qe lejohen ketu jane vetem 500 eshte e pamundur te thuhet e gjithe historia..
Por essenca e shperndarjes se shqiptareve brenda kombeve te tjera, lufterat e shqiptareve gjate 500vjecarit otoman si dhe pavaresia e vonuar, jane si
rezultat i percarjes FETARE TE KOMBIT SHQIPTARE.
MrSkilax 2 years ago 2
Esenca e shperndarjeve e shqiptareve brenda kombeve te tjera per shkak te fese ,eshte pjeserisht e vertet... Shumica jane shperndare dhe emigruar neper shtete te tjera per arsye ekonomike dhe gjakmarrje ...
Pavaresia e Vonuar eshte per shkakun qe shqiptaret u zgjuan vone.... Kishin rene rehat me thene te verteten ne perandorin ottomane,
ngaqe te gjithe administratat po edhe udheheqesit ishin shqiptar ... keshtu qe ishte si province gjysem autonome brenda Perandorise...
Axeldevil 2 years ago
@Axeldevil OoOoOoO !! fjale 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000 % TE VERTETA !
BRAVO !!! ky eshte pikerisht shkaku pse Shqiptaret nuk bene me kryengritje kunder turqve !
IllyriPower 11 months ago
Shiptart nuk jan t'percam vetem prej besimit fetar, por apriori na jena t'ndam edhe ne dimensionet krahinore, dialektore, ekonomike, e personale (meqense Shiptart jan popull qe thekson ambicien e rehatin personale mi qellimet e tansise/gjithsise)..........Prandej na kujtohet edhe ma fuqishem pytja ekzistenciale.........
A asht Shipnija thjesht nji shprehje Gjeografike??? A jena vetem nji popull i mshtetun mi kolona abstrakte, t'cillat u projektun n'mendjen e rilindasve???
UjkuBallkanas 2 years ago
Anyway peace and good health to you and your families.
gkioniskk 2 years ago
Peace and good health to your family to..
We don't have problem with everyday people ... we talk only of history in this thread which is our hobby ...
any civilized peoples and comments are welcomed..
Axeldevil 2 years ago
And my personal opinion on the change of the Albanian view on the Sulliots and Arvanites(until a few years ago the where consider hatefull fillogreket and antisqyptaret traitors and now they are considered heroes).It has to do with the need of the albanian immigrant in greece to belong-to fit in.But SULLIOTS AND THE ARVANITES ARE ONLY THEIR SONS AND DESCENDANTS HERITAGE AND NOBODY ELSE'S.
gkioniskk 2 years ago
Arvanites when they came to greece ... they left their relatives in Arberia... their old country ...
they didn't they didn't come out of nowhere..
Axeldevil 2 years ago
My dear greek friend or whover you are: History is history and cannot be distorted or denied. We don't claim heroes of the others and we don't like the others make heroes that are not theirs. The speaker here says it clearly: Some say they are albanians (christian orthodox as myself) but they fought for their freedom and the freedom of those lands around here at a time there was no Greece (and no Albania). So their cause is Universal: they fought that they live free people and a free life.
epirotas 2 years ago
You claim Sulliots to be the long lost relatives of your ancestors(who by the way disliked your ancestors and vice versa),while we are their direct kinship-and nobody can deny that.Who has got the right to take credit for them and lay claim on their heritage?Express your opinion but dont push it too far.The heroes themselves wouldn't like to know that the grandsons of their enemies spend so much time praising them.You got your own grandfathers to praise(unless you think they do not deserve it)
gkioniskk 2 years ago
Look man .. I already told you that Some families of Suli came and are still living in Albania ...
The suliots were/are Tosk albanians ... so they belong to albanian ethnos racially and culturaly....
if you have a problem with that ... it's your problem..
If you are Suliot by genes ... then you have the right to claim albanian Heroes From north to south Albania ... the same I have with the albanogenis of greece ... since we belong to the same race..
Axeldevil 2 years ago
I do not want to insult or be hostile,but there are some truths that you should know.Every time you make a tribute video about Sulliots or the Arvanites you must know that you piss of their childern and heirs who are not very fond of you.
gkioniskk 2 years ago
if suliotes are your ancestors and that is how you feel about albanians dos not bothered me,I dont expect anything nice from you arvanites or anybody other in this world a part from my family,in fact you in greece are the only one we argue with,arvanites in italy happy told us ther roots have scanderbeg in the midle of the town and the red flag when there is special day, you in greece are very insecure about yourselfs and roots that is becouse fashist socity you liv in
gashib 2 years ago
Sulliots were among the first members of the Philiki Eteria and even if their first language was albanian they considered themselves greeks for historical and religious reasons.The same applies for their descendats(one of whom I am) who live in Greece are patriotical Greeks and feel no relation or sympathy towards albanians.What I notice is that you respect my ancestors and us,but this is an one sided friendship and affection.Neither do we like you,neither our ancestors did
gkioniskk 2 years ago
how do we piss of their children just by saying the truth,were dit their fathers and grandfathers lived before 18c what flag dit they hymn where is their national hero they dit not just come from nowere.if you consider yourself as one of their children start to undarstend more about history and false history,we all liv to be proud for what we are and were we com from regardles what others think
gashib 2 years ago
1)Filiki Eteria was backed up from Russians ...
2)they didnt consider themselves as Greeks , since then didn't exist any greek state.
3)Their descendants in Todays Greece have a Greek self conscious
4)They descendants in Albania have albanian self conscious wich is the same as the one of
Suliots of middle ages ... since suliots are descendants of Tosk Albanians...
5)We also don't like todays Suliots that hide in shadow of "greek fustanella"
Axeldevil 2 years ago
The tzavella fara was settled in Greece,if somebody in Albania has this surname doesnt mean that they are the Grandchildren of Kitso Tzavela and his kins
gkioniskk 2 years ago
The ones of Albania are of course descendent's of Tzavella family ... they migrated after the fall of Suli in Albania ...
but Tzavella family before coming(migrating) to Suli was one of the families that had officers in scanderbeg army ...
Axeldevil 2 years ago
In this strange world,people come to adore the ones their ancestors fought against.How do modern albanians like sulliotes when their grandfathers where the ones that fought against them?Possibly some of your ancestors died of sulliote hands.Thanks for respecting my ancestors but you must know this is strange.
gkioniskk 2 years ago
The reason we adore them is because they are our ancestors and spoke our language, while you adore them because they fought against the turks for you, because Greeks by nature were submissive peoples - yanissaries.
korcariyt 2 years ago
Sulliots after being expelled by the turkalbanians of Ali Pasha ressetled in Peloponessus and have offsprings that live in Greece and are Greeks.Ali Pasha's army had offsprings that live in Albania and are Sqypetaris.Sulliotes are not you ancestors,Ali Pasha is so love him instead not his enemies.
gkioniskk 2 years ago
We both know who were submissive and janissaries' the ones who were converted to Islam....the ones who until the start of the 20th century consider themselves turks.You
gkioniskk 2 years ago
1).. Suliots offsprings live in albania Also ... from Xhavella family... and other families..
2)Suliotes in the end reside with Ali Pasha against the Ottomans.
3)Suliotes are Our Blood since they are originally from Arberia
4)Janissaries unit was created by the Sultan Murad I from abducted CHRISTIAN sons from conquered CHRISTIAN countries in the 14th century..
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Janissaries... from Wiki
Initially the recruiters favoured Greeks (who formed the largest part of the first units) and Albanians (who also served as gendarmes), usually selecting about one boy from forty houses, but the numbers could be changed to correspond with the need for soldiers. Boys aged 14-18 were preferred, though ages 8-20 could be taken....
Axeldevil 2 years ago
many greeks died of alexander the great hands when hi was in war with greece but you made him greek hero so what is the diference that ali pasha was in war with suliotes, this greek video say some greeks went with suliotes and some WITH TURKS and never links suliotes as greeks.YOU WERE GIFTED FREEDOM BY ARVANITES,SULIOTES,ALI PASHA AND THE BRITISH IS FAKT THAT YOU CAN'T EXEPT
gashib 2 years ago
cuna e moret vesht qe ket gazetarin e hoqen ka puna pre kti emisionit qe kishte bo? klb
Therandeon 2 years ago
do the priest in 0:49 look like albanian???
i can regognize albanians from miles away
YUNAN87 2 years ago
1)Albanian Or English ONLY ,
2)no bad words
or else DELETE..
Axeldevil 2 years ago
prifit i dreqit i futi shqipatret nen grindje, suliotet jane trima te vertete por fatkeqesisht per greket kane qene dhe ngelen shqipetare dhe greke sdo te jene kurre!
gggggg561 2 years ago 2
Nuk ka faj Prifti kur politika shqiptare sod i thot armiqve vllezir Kishen Ortodoxe Shqiptare e perfasqon Kryipeshkvi Grek Ajo asht turb!!! Pse mos mi pas Shqiperija priftat Ortodox Shqiptar???
Kur nuk guxojm me haru se Sllavet Helent Dhe Turqt jan Armiq Shekullor Shqiptar!!!
Nuk Guxojm me leju mi ba Armiqt kryezot te kombit ton!!!
Albanessi83 2 years ago
i see ... ali pasa... classic albo son of the bitch ...
Epicomahos 2 years ago
flisni shqi ore se ju kuptojnë këta
shqiptaroseku 2 years ago 2
Esy, i 15 eisai i 95. Apokleíete na eisai tôso pou gráfeis sto profil sou k na min éheis kathôlou logikí. Gia emfílio éheis akoúsei poté?
shkembbaroti 2 years ago
Mas éhoun príxei ta arhídia merikoí pou léne oti ítan tourkikôs zigos k gi´aftô kápoioi éllines máthane alvaniká. Válte lígo to mialô sas na doulépsei, re paidiá-tourkikôs ítan o zigôs ohi alvanikôs.
Diladí ti mas léte oti oi toúrkoi ítan stin Elláda 500 hrônia k kanénas éllinas den émathe tourkiká (simera einai 0,1% tourkôfonoi stin Elláda), alla me ta 18 hrônia sto pasalíki tou o Ali Pasás katáfere k sas rízose ta alvaniká (simera einai15% arvanites)?!
shkembbaroti 2 years ago
vre asxete poio polu tourkalvanikos zugos htan para tourkikos, oi tourkalvanoi mas polemousan. an htan alvanoi opws les giati polemousan tous allous alvanous???des enan arvanith kai ela pes mou an sou moiazei gia alvanos, kamia sxesh.
ka8aroi ellhnes einai. eseis oi alvanoi prospa8hte na klepsete hrwes apo thn ellada giati polu apla den exete oute enan.
akoma kai o kastriwths ellhno-servos htan mpoufoi
mikegrecia 2 years ago
Esi eisai pliros Asxetos .... diavase mia gia ton Ali Pasha kai tin istoria tou kai meta ela mila edw re ANISTORITE........
vaivaios esi den ksereis oti O Ali Pasha epevale to Nomo se oli tin epikrateia tou kai xoris kamia ekseresi alvanos,ellinas,mousoulmanos,xristianos
epevale to Nomo tou Othomanikou Zigou.
Den epevale tin Alvaniki glossa , i opoia apagoravotan apo tin Autokratoria , sti sinexia kata to telos tou othomanikou zigou ,prospathisan na plasaroun tin grafi me aravikus xaraktires
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Vaivaios den Kseris kai gia tin Sfagi tou Alvanikou(arvanitiku) plithismou tis Peloponissou apo tin sinergasia Kapetanewn (pateras kolokotroni) kai Turkwn gia tin eksontosi ton arvaniton apo peloponisso ...........
ekei pou les sfagiastikan tosa atoma pou eftiaksan Piramida me ta kefalia ton skotomenon arvanitwn .........
Poios einai o Prodotis Loipon ?
ama den ksereis istoria kane to PAPI
Axeldevil 2 years ago
poios den kserei istoria re vlamene, esu ksereis tis malakies pou sou exoun ma8ei sthn alvania. eimai alvanos egw??? ahahahahaha. egw mporw na isxurist oti olh h eurwph einai ellhnosporoi kai 8a exw ki ena dikio afou oi ellhnes phgan pantou, alla oxi kai oi tourkalvanoi
mikegrecia 2 years ago
eseis hr8ate me tous tourkous apo azerbaizan, sklavoi twn tourkwn hsastan.
sou eipa oti ta ellhnika apagorevontan kai oti milousan mono alvanika kai tourkika.
o alh pasas htan pousths
mikegrecia 2 years ago
@Axeldevil karagkiozako afou xereis kala giati to kana ayto giati den to les ;;;;xexnas ti eixan kanei oi alvanoi aytoi kai gia pio logo tous eixan ferei ;;;na kanoun oti kanan;;
minoasboxing 11 months ago
Να σου πω όμως μια διαφορά των χωρών μας; Αν κάποιος ιστορικός σας δικός σας ήθελε να ισχυριστεί ότι η Βόρεια Ήπειρος είναι ελληνική όχι μόνο δεν θα έβρισκε βήμα στην κρατική τηλεόραση αλλά πιθανότατα ένα ικρίωμα στην πλατεία των Τιράνων.
adavalas 2 years ago 2
giati eisai toso sigouros? o alos evgale tous pinekes apo tous dromous pou htan Albaniaka Aglika kai ta vale Ellhnika. kai ti tou kanan? TIPOTA!
GAMAOTOUSELLINES 2 years ago
nai re lene psemata kala les, sthn mixriasia den sfaksatai GINEKOPAIDA, ti malakes einai lene psemata
GAMAOTOUSELLINES 2 years ago
pigene kane test na dis poso katharos Ellhinas eisai lmao, ohhhhh ayti einai skatokoummounistes prodotes xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxax ennooitai
GAMAOTOUSELLINES 2 years ago
e ma ti na sou po eisai poli ilithios! RE MALAKA H ELLHNIKH THLEORASH STA LEEI OXI EGW
des ayto---> Το κουτί της Πανδώρας - Η Ελλάδα ποτέ δεν πεθαίνει
GAMAOTOUSELLINES 2 years ago
Ο Μαμαλάκης είναι μάγειρας και σε αυτό το σημείο έκανε ένα αν μη τι άλλο μαγείρεμα της ιστορίας. :)
adavalas 2 years ago 2
sosta einai mageiras! omos ayto einai allithia, to exo akousi kai apo allous,des kai to kouti ths pantoras
GAMAOTOUSELLINES 2 years ago
re gelie plasma des ayto kai meta ela na mou pis ti htan oi Albanian, kai to ellhniko sxolio htan mithos VLAKA
GAMAOTOUSELLINES 2 years ago
kala se tapwse malako skato alvane, etsi htan. ta ellinika den epitrepontan oloi milousan alvanika kai tourkika.
auto den shmainei oti htan alvanoi.
h fash einai oti goustarete autous pou gamhsan tous progonous sas hahahaha.
toso malakes eiste.oi souliwtes esfaksan xiliades alvanous,ksupna alvane
mikegrecia 2 years ago
Fainete apo makria ti kouvas eisai ...
Axeldevil 2 years ago
re alvave giati oloi oi alvanoi hrwes htan se ksena krath??? to exeis skeftei pote???
giati xasate me anoixta ta poldia apo tous ellhnes ston 2o paggosmio polemo???
pou einai oi alvanoi polemistes???LOL.
twra akouw apo merikous alvanous na lene oti ki o mega alexandros htan alvanos.hahahahahaha. den exete istoria parte to xampari, oute oi arvanites einai alvanoi oute o alexandros oute o lewnidas
oute egw
mikegrecia 2 years ago
Rwta mia tama eixes papoudes sto 2ro pagkosmio , poios tous filoksenise sto Spiti malaka neoellina....
pou pethenane tis pinas kai apo to krio ....
pou tha mou peis esi gia to 2ro pagkosmio .....
Axeldevil 2 years ago
Esi alvanos eisai afou exeis papou arvaniti..
alvanosporos eisai kai as mi to theleis
apo pou irthe o propapous sou stin Ellada apo to Fieri i apo to Berati ?
mlk pou tha mou peis gia tous arvanites...
Axeldevil 2 years ago
re oi arvanites 8a sas gamame ta spitia,
lege oti 8es esu malaka. to oti oi alvanoi hr8an kai phran ta edafh mas kai katevhkame notia den shmainei oti eimaste alvanoi re vlamene. lefteria sthn voreia hpeiro pou einai ellhnes. prwtoi prwtoi oi arvanites 8a epite8oun. 8a deis
mikegrecia 2 years ago
@Axeldevil elliniko aima exeis edo kai 2500 xronia apo tote pou to meros poy legete simera alvania itan ellinikes apoikies patna vasei istorikon stixion. ta simadia tis ellinikotitas tis simerinis alvanias mporeis na ta deis kanontas mia volta se olous tous arxaiologikous xorous pou iparxoun se olous'mono ellada ''kai alvanos einai autos pou diloni alvanos oxi autos pou milaei alvanika oi alvaniki glossa einai gemati ellinika kai onomata ellinika opos kai to diko sou .ektos an einai tourkiko
minoasboxing 1 year ago
re malaka realmacedonian ti mou leges oti oi Tourki den tous afinan na milane Ellhnika? mpooouuuaaahhhhhh xaxaaxaxaxaxaxaxax anikse ta matia sou re malaka! mpas kai mathis tin hstoria to topou sou! krima gia sena kai gia kapious alous malakes san ton unmarkedX pou mas kali tourkoalbanous DITE RE MALAKES GIA NA MATHETE
Το κουτί της Πανδώρας - Η Ελλάδα ποτέ δεν πεθαίνει
GAMAOTOUSELLINES 2 years ago
Na dieykrynizetai oti OPOY ANAFERONTAI TOYRKOI STO NTOMYMANTER AYTO ENNOEITAI
TOYRKALBANOI
autoi htan oi ex8roi kai antipalloi twn souliotwn
arketa to paramy8i peri Tourkwn-tourkwn sthn balkanikh
STHN ELLADA KSEROYME POIOI HTAN OI TOYRKOI
unmarkedX 2 years ago 2
hahahahhahaha evgales sinberasma oti oi Souliotes einai Ellhnes! hahahhahaha
dimiourgisa Arvanitiki dialekto hahahahahahah kouna pou se kounise. gia vara to kefali sou sto tiko mpas kai sinerthis
RE KETHISTERIMENE tote pos o Bocari dimourgise to proto AlbanoEllhniko metafrasti? h to kane EllhnoEllhniko? hahhahahahaahhahahahah
GAMAOTOUSELLINES 2 years ago
esu prosekses omos sto deutero part ti eipe edw ginanai Ellhnes! malaka
GAMAOTOUSELLINES 2 years ago
1hMAL,O Mαμαλακης ειναι Αλβανος? και δεν το ξερω? Μαλον ειναι ενας Ελληνας που ξερει πολυ καλα τι λεει... προπαγανδα για την χορα του, δεν νομιζω να κανει...
Και το κρατικο Ελληνικο καναλι 3, κανει προπαγανδα για την Ελλαδα? :Ι
ILIRIA11111111111111 2 years ago
πηγενε σημερα ρε τουρκαλβανε στο σουλι και πεστους οτι ειναι αλβανοι .κι αν δε φυγεις χωρις αρχιδια απο κει φτυσε με.
xxntavelisxx 2 years ago
Grate e Zallongut para se te hidheshin ne gremine:
"Une ne shtepi Cami s`futem,
as ne sarajet e Aliut ".
aravouna 2 years ago 2
I Propaganda ton Alwanon.... Kolopaida tou Mperisa min kourazeste. To poli poli na fate to Kafali sas me tin taktiki pou akolouthite. (Margaritiotis)
1hMAL 2 years ago
re malaka kseris ti les? i prapaganta ton Albanian einai stin ET3?
GAMAOTOUSELLINES 2 years ago
It was an Albanian-Albanian civil war. NO-WAY a Turkish-Greek war. Ali Pasha had no Turk under arms only Albanians: Lab, Cham and other Arvanite.
Olsenatorino 2 years ago
keta bastarder greker genjejne per prejardhjen e sulioteve qe eshte shqiptare.per kete kam nje vertetim te gjalle historik te jetuar.
muniminoritar 3 years ago
μπασταρδος εισε εσυ και ολοι οι τουρκαλβανοι μπασταρδοι που ζουν στην ελλαδα.παρτο χαμπαρι, μογγολος γενηθηκες, μογγολος θαψοφισεις.αρβανιτης δεν εισε ουτε θα γινεισ ποτε.
xxntavelisxx 2 years ago
Ali Pash Tepelena , eshte figure shum e debatuar. Ne kohen e tij s'kishte lindur ende, ose me mire, s'ishte pjekur fort ideja e kombit tek shqiptaret, e as tek kombet e tjera.
Aliu ka merita vetem per krijimin e rregullit, shtetit te par, fitimit te autonomis, krijimit te nje ushtri te perhershme prej gati 30 000 shqiptaresh qe s'e kemi edhe sot. Krijoi histori, beri emrin Shqiptar te njohur ne Evrope aq sa sulltanit ju desh te mblidht 24 pashallare nga gjith Ballkani per ta shtypur.
AliDemsiTR 3 years ago 2
Gabimet e Aliut ishin mosgarantimi i te drejtave fiseve te lira, sic ishin Suljotet per shembull. Bushatllinjte e shkodres u lidhen ne aleance me malsoret , Aliu preferoi ti shtypte edhe pse pozita e Suljotve me malsoret ndryshon shume.
Ky thote se nuk dihet ca gjuhe flitej ne Sul, sipas historis greke Suljotetmerreshin vesh me shenja dhe i kishin marre borxh rrobat tek shqiptaret.
lol...balkan_history_machine
AliDemsiTR 3 years ago
aliu ju kercenua himarjoteve dhe u dergoi nje perfaqsi dhe u tha qe te ndrojne fene.himarjotet u mblodhen dhe e pleqeruan ate pune dhe i kthyen nje pergjigje te zgjuar.pasha i thane ne kemi jetuar me krahet tona deri me sot nuk na ka dhene buke krishti por po na jep buke muhameti ne e ndrojme fene .kur vajten tek aliu dhe i thane kete pergjigje kthyen himarjotet aliu tha heh u treguan te zgjuar[ himarjotet] dhe i la nuk i ngacmoi se i kishte larg 160 km nga janina,suliotet i kishte tek fryma.
muniminoritar 3 years ago
@muniminoritar, kjo qe thua eshte e vertet, te derguarit e Ali Pashes u priten nga kapedanet e Qeparoit ne Qeparo.
Dhe nuk iu thane per buk, po per uje, se himara nuk ka uje.
adibesos 3 years ago
delvinjotja nje grua e mire qe besonte shume ne fene myslimane iu lut disa here aliut i thoshte leri suliotet se do marresh nemen e tyre ,dhe ashtu ndodhi i prene koken turqit.aliu nuk degjoi djemte kur vajti i ra turgut pashes se beratit [turguti pashai i beratit ishte vjerri i veliut dhe myftarit harrameve te aliut].ne kardhiq vrau 650 burra.suliotet qene shqiptare dhe mos te thone se aliu i vrau suliotet si ortodokse ose qe ishin greke.ali beri gabim qe nuk nenshtroi himarjotet......
muniminoritar 3 years ago
ky ka qene gabimi i aliut por atehere vepronte shpata .aliu i sulmoi suliotet se i kishte shume afer dhe ata i delnin pengese per bashkimin e trojeve shqiptare dhe per pavarsine e shqiperise nga turqia.suliotet jetonin zakonisht si rojtare te krahinave perreth se suli ishte vet nje krahine e varfer.filluan konflitet ndermjet tyre dhe aliut ,por aliu ishte me i fuqishem.suliotet bejne kompromis me ruset atehere aliu u inatosdhe u shpalli lufte.para se te niste ushtrine e shoqja e aliut....
muniminoritar 3 years ago
ρε παιδια γιατι δεν γράφετε ελληνικά? αφου τα ξερετε καλυτερα απο τα ελληνικα.Ακου abanian subbed!
kallinikos1 3 years ago
Yes, y'isn't greece know about it,SULI and SULIOTES,MARKO BOCHARI,NOTI BOCHARI and the SULI history.I know about SULI my grand father always used to sing,MARKO BOCHARI SULIOT,EZEZA E QAN ME LOT.
albert19940 3 years ago 6
Greetings to all Highlanders (Malesors)
omernishi 3 years ago 4
historija jone e perjeteshme.shprendarja, tradhetia,heroizmi,lufta e perbrendeshme, edhe trimeria krah per krah
bylysi 3 years ago
eee...ama ja futi! E tha ..toka i beri helen! Dhe kjo toke na qenkerka eladha?! ahahaha...Po mire keta populli qe jetojne me perralla, po edhe historianet s'kane me turp e thone genjeshtra.
ulkonja 3 years ago 2
S'dinte c'te thonte atje. Edhe regjizori s'dinte c'te bente edhe i kane thene thuaj qe i beri toka greke greker, se ne fillim e tha qarte qe sjane greker. Te dhjefsha eladhen ti thuash, se suli vete nga emri ka qene toke shqiptare den baba den.
eroshi 3 years ago 2
It is an unwritten policy in Greece that you cannot say in ANY way that someone that contributed to the making of the "Greek" state and current culture is NOT Greek.
(meaning, we desperately want to reconstruct a new Greece, even with Chinese if possible)
Therefore, in Greece now you have people that want to accept it but don't know how make it known. So they find "stupid excuses" like the one you heard:
MusicOfEpirus 3 years ago
"The land made them Greek"
How? Nobody knows and nobody buys it, but he's at least clear of being accused as a traitor.
As for the NOT buying, and not being convincing, it was meant to be so!
MusicOfEpirus 3 years ago 3
Flm per dokumentarin dhe perkthimin. Dhe vete malakat e tregojne qe suliotet ishin vecse shqiptare. Duken nga zakonet, nga temperamenti, nga trimeria, nga dashuria per liri etj etj.
eroshi 3 years ago
Te lutem ... Per me teper shikoni ne (myspace) tek faqja e Lirio Nushit , dokumentarin qe ka bere per arvanitet , ku flasin vete kryetaret e shoqatave arvanite.. per arvanitasit ne shqip...
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Do te kthehem prap me perkthimin e te njejtit dokumentar ne ET3 qe flet per marko bocarin..
ky dokumentar eshte ne shume pjese,por vetem do te shkepusim disa pjese... ngaqe eshte pak e veshtire ta perkthesh te gjithe........
Axeldevil 3 years ago
Flm shume. Presim per dokumentarin per Marko Bocarin.
eroshi 3 years ago