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  • How much more proof do we have to find before Theists finally admit they were wrong?

  • @druidic6 You do know that Theism and Evolution don't necessarily contradict each other?

  • @MrTatzer Yeah, a god creating humans first by creating DNA that is a defective ape gene makes much more sense than humans evolving from an accidental mutation which is proven to happen all the time (though rarely resulting in such a huge change as this did). Theism makes MUCH more sense..... Science trumps religion every time. I just don't have enough room in comments to explain this to you

  • @druidic6 Most of the people out there are religious - Do you seriously believe that all of them are illiterate regarding science?

    Talking about proven: Have you ever thought about the Chromosome 2? If an indiviual has a fused pair of chromosomes, this indiviual is not able to create offsprings that are capable of reproduction. Since the fused chromosome doesn't have a homologous partner, meiosis won't work properly, thus preventing the creation of new, fully functional gametes.

  • @druidic6 Im not saying Evolution is bullshit since it most likely happened (somehow), but sometimes people seem to simply swallow everything that seems to "prove" Evolution in order to tell religious people they are a bunch of idiots."Atheism and Evolution vs. Theists" or something like that... ridiculous. Especially since there is a whole bunch of Theists that have no problem combining faith and science.

    Talking about "raging Atheists" ... ;-)

  • @MrTatzer who's raging? I never said I'm against religion. What I am against is the absence of truth. It seems that religion's beliefs continue to change around every scientific discovery makes. Evolution does indeed contradict Genesis in every way so what you get with discoveries like this is an alteration of one's understanding of Genesis so that it won't challenge a religion that has no evidence. So what are you so afraid of? Would it be so horrible for you to not have a god?

  • @druidic6 I don't know where you live, but over here in western Europe, Christians mostly don't take Genesis as a factual report but as a story filled with metaphors. As long as you know about the Bible's history, Christianity goes rather well with Evolution. Especially since Christianity is rather based on Jesus than on the Old Testament.

    I find it quite funny that you assume that am religious because I'm not. I simply don't like people feeling superior to religious people. :)

  • @MrTatzer Are we reading the same thing? Are you blind? I never said I was superior to anyone. Anyway, being from Europe as you are, you should respect history as much as I do if not more so. Hell, you have buildings there older than the United States. Hasn't history shown that there have been thousands of religions before the New Testament? The New Testament parallels the sun worshipers of old. And Jesus wasn't a saint. Mathew 15- "Let disobedient children die the death"

  • @druidic6 Sorry if you misunderstood me - I wasn't saying that you seem to feel superior. But as a matter of fact, many Atheist seem to feel superior. I've read phrases like "religion is for nutcases" thousands of times. And these Atheist often don't see that they indeed defend Evolution like it's their religion.

    I know there have been tons of religions - But that doesn't change the fact that moderate christians mostly get along with evolution well.

  • @MrTatzer I defend evolution because it's proving more and more to be fact. The more we figure out the more proof we find. I'm taking Biology 105 right now as I work towards my degree and I enjoy things that have proof and evidence over things that do not. I was a christian for most of my life and not one shred of evidence or divine presence had ever been seen.  So if you combine history and science one quickly finds a great deal of evidence that god - all gods - are false.

  • @druidic6

    People still believe in god for philosophical reasons. They do not need proof just a reason to believe in god, this is why the catholic church as one example accepts Darwinian evolution.

  • The "church" music in this video is pretty funny. "Behold the chromosome". WTF? Another person with a belief and faith and no idea what the F is going on.

  • isn't it crazy that DNA has proven Darwin was correct? Genetics has proven that black people are the group most related to chimpanzees, the nail in the coffin proving human evolution.

  • This video makes my debates so much easyer instead of repeating everything over and over I can just click a link to this vid and im good to go lols.

  • @GUNS4MIKE1234 This video is evidence of humans and chimps are cousins. The DNA evidence we have on mutations only shows genetic degradation. Chimps and humans are degraded from the same genetic species, and because there is only genetic degradation shown, Chimps are nearly extinct and have the same diseases we have only much earlier. Their degraded Immune system caused AIDS.

  • who needs a designer when you can have a modifier. That is to say chromosome 2 is the result artificial genetic manipulation within our distant past.

    Just another possibility, however outlandish it may seem...

  • I don't believe in a designer. I believe in a design.

  • @NephilimFree

    Hey Nephie, have you finally killed Sharon yet? You can't just play games and masterbate at porn all day if you really want to pretend to be a "caretaker" of someone with advanced heart disaease, diabetes, etc. Your negligence and finacial abuse could land you in prison, Sporty. How about ending your 5-year freeloading vacation and earning your way for a change? Doesn't your bible condemn slothfulness? What happens when you wake up from your drunken stupor and Sharon is a stiff?

  • @MrTmapp

    Sorry to burst your retardation idiocy, but nobody ever said that a chromosome fusion would result in a speciation event. That doesn't even make logical sense. If it DID result in a new species, what the fuck would the "new species" breed with?

    DNA fusion adds confirmation to the already mile-high pile of other DNA confirmations of apes/human common ancestry. ERVs, Cytocrhome-C, junk DNA pattern, adavism genes, deactivated DNA, 18 mapped mutations transform ape to human brain. Etc.

  • @MrTmapp

    You say Miller takes the stance that a speciation event took place upon the fusion of the two ape chromosomes into human chromosome #2? HA! I read the transcripts from the Dover trial. I've seen a dozen of his lectures. I've read everything (I know of) that he wrote on the subject. He always just says it's confirmation, not speciation.

    Who is "disingenuous"? YOU ARE for misrepresenting what people say. Until you can produce a Miller article making that claim, you're full of shit.

  • @MrTmapp

    His position is clear. YOU just don't understand it. YOU (in your lameass retarded excuse for a brain) just falsely GUESSED that's what he meant (you are wrong).

    I know nothing of any Google search that will yield the mappings of the DNA mutations that transformed the ape brain to the human brain. I read it in PEER REVIEWED LITERATURE, not on any lamefuck website (which is obviously the only way you get your MISinformation).

    You're too stupid for words, and I'm done with you.

  • @MrTmapp wrote: "Darwin was an idiot and a lazy one at that."

    It is said that what took a genius a hundred years ago to understand any ignorant fool today can learn. But if today someone still cannot learn what does that make him or her?

  • @MrTmapp

    Sorry you're behind the times, but the 18 mutations have BEEN MAPPED (as of last year). Study it for yourself.

    If you think there would need to be "thousands to millions" of mutations, and you claim you're a biologist (hahaha), go ahead and submit your idea for peer review. The 18 mutations have been submitted. Certainly your rebuttal will get the attention it deserves.

    As for the rest of your comments, sorry fuckpig, I'm not going to deal with someone living in the 14th century.

  • @achilles197474

    So, let me get this straight... you've found ONE author that you quote-mine, and you think this is evidence against evolution? JESUS FUCKING GODDAMNED IMAGINARY CHRIST!!! Millions upon MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of articles have been written about evolution from other authors. Shall I quote those? 100% of academy biologists and 99.8% of the rest of the biologists support evolution. Shall I quote them? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, quote-mining really IS the hallmark of creationist idiocy.

  • @achilles197474 Not necessarily. I see a bat and a bird. I see similarity, but I do not see a recent relationship.

    But let's say I take that as true. If you were to compare DNA of yourself and your mother/father, it would be very similar. Would it be wrong to assume relationship?

    Lastly, what is your evidence to refute this? And by evidence I mean tangible, witnessed evidence. If you could cite your source too, that'd be great.

  • @achilles197474

    You're dead WRONG. Look at ERVs. There are hundreds of examples of ERVs across species that show not only a SIMILARITY in DNA, but a downright MARKING (a fingerprint, if you wish) of the DNA in such a way that cannot be refuted. ERVs are 100% proof positive of common ancestry, and there are hundreds of examples all across the animal kingdom (and hundreds more found every year) that have CONFIRMED common ancestry of apes and humans (and other animals).

  • @MrRichardQED Knowing the truth of the matter makes me a happy person. I broke the code of this religious HEMG. I am very happy with the truth, because it all fits together perfectly with the evidence.

  • @GoodScienceForYou We dont believe in miracles, thats just all in your completely messed up head. Finally get the help you need, man. We believe in the mountains of evidence we have, and that you dont know because you lack the education. I would say try to get the education, but i dont think you would be able to. You lack the necessary intelligence. So i think you will die stupid (and alone because you behave like an asshole hunting away all your friends)

  • @MrRichardQED " Pious ignorance always regards intelligence as a kind of blasphemy. "

  • @MrRichardQED " Ignorance is the soil in which miracles grow "

  • @MrRichardQED Robert Ingersoll:

    " Miracles are not simply impossible, but they are unthinkable by any man capable of thinking."

    You Evotards believe in miracles in the form of magical mutations that have never been seen in any creatures. The net is always towards less, complex, sicker, weaker, more stupid. You are evidence of that. How much alcohol do you drink, lowering an already weak mind?

  • @GoodScienceForYou Whatever you need to tell yourself to keep your delusions alive man. But everybody with half a brain cab see through your net of lies. I mean come on you are even opening up sock accounts to generate the illusion at least sometimes soemone is on your side, how pathetic is that ? You are nothing but a looser your whole life allready, and you know it. Thats why you try to impress people here with your lies of high IQ etc, problem is nobody is stupid enough to fall for them

  • @KrokrX Do you know any other English words? I think you are illiterate.

  • Nearly 2300 people have gone to my Neutral Evolution Forum because of you guys, just recently. Thanks for the help. The more you talk about me the more people want to find my site. I am all over the internet because of your help. I see my name mentioned on many other forums. Thanks. The total is over 10,000 people so far and climbing every day.

  • @GoodScienceForYou "Nearly 2300 people have gone to my Neutral Evolution Forum because of you guys, just recently. Thanks for the help" Well it is nice to be thanked. It is better than having you call me a "homo stalker" or a child molester.

    How many of the 2,300 participated in your ghost town of a forum? Did you get any hits or did people read a few lines of your stupidity, injure themselves laughing, and move on to genuine intellectual pursuits?

  • GSFY - 'I have destroyed your whole pile of religious bullshit.' - only in that poor excuse for a brain you use! All you've managed to achieve is to make people aware of what a deluded, ill-educated clown you really are, and we all appreciate the laughs. Still no answer to any of the outstanding questions just more marking critical comments as spam - what a coward you are Jimmy!

  • @KrokrX The odds of 100 or so realizing that I teach the truth is pretty good, because they are not stupid like you. Out of 6000 at least 100 have enough objective reasoning left to understand it. You don't but they do. The truth is transmitted this way for many years. The stupid ones do not understand the truth in the messages, but the intelligent ones recognize it immediately. That is why scriptures from many thousands of years are still looked upon funny by stupid people like you.

  • GSFY - you still haven't told us yet what happened to that epic series you were making, was it simply another of your idle boasts, or have you got cold feet? So much for your laughable claim to 'wipe out the religion of Evodelusionism from science'!

    Why won't you tell us if that "Genetic Engineer" you mentioned is "Jehovah"?

    And when you said "I also believe in God's laws. Like the 10 big ones...", do you still believe in them?

  • @GoodScienceForYou "...scriptures from many thousands of years are still looked upon funny by stupid people like you" But not by fundamentalist Christians like you, Jimmy.

    Why do you keep blathering about the truth when you tell so many lies?

  • @KrokrX You are a closet fundamentalist Christian. It is clear that you do more work than anyone on youtube to show that Creationism is far better than Evodelusionism. You show clearly what assholes people who believe in evolution are. You are too stupid to understand what is right in front of you nose. I continue to use peer reviewed scientific data to destroy Evodelusionism. Evodelusionism is against science, just as you are against science.

  • GSFY - back flogging that dead horse then Jimmy? How you even begin to imagine that my refuting your creationist inanities, and pointing out your many lies could be consistent with me being a creationist only makes sense in that poor deluded excuse for a brain you use! If as you claim I'm a creationist and also stupid how does that reflect well on creationism? Your arguments as usual make no sense, but you are funny!! Seriously, get some professional help and take the medications offered.

  • @KrokrX You know that you are telling people lies.  Look up GSFY on youtube.

  • @GoodScienceForYou "You know that you are telling people lies" The only one who tells lies about you is you. You lie about your erudition, your IQ, your motivations. You have even lied about stuff in your videos after people show WORD-FOR-WORD what you've said - you simply say that you did not say that.

    "Look up GSFY on youtube" Well, there is another GSFY called "GamingSponsorForYou" and there are videos about you showing what an imbecile you are, but nothing with lies in them.

  • @GoodScienceForYou "You are a closet fundamentalist Christian" Then the two of you should be best buddies since that is what you are.

    "We are honest Christians who believe in God and believe in what is taught"

    You wrote that. Here is a link showing that quote from you:

    ww w (.)whatsthebest-hottub .c om /forum/inde x. php /topic,1484.msg17712.html#msg1­7712

    Where is your link with evidence for KrokrX being a Christian?

  • GSFY - sorry Jimmy, but you still haven't given us any reference or citation for your silly claim that '70%' of mutations are 'bad', and marking the comment as spam doesn't change that fact. All research to date suggests that "Almost all point mutations in multi-cellular organisms are strictly neutral, and 93-98% of all point mutations in humans are strictly neutral.".

    To quote your old hot-tub buddies, you're 'uneducated', 'mentally unstable' and a 'pathological liar'.

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  • Evolution is a fraud, and is full of mystical human "magical thinking" emotion mental garbage faith and belief. There is no magic "evolution fairy" that fixes our genomes.

    If you want to believe in evolution you are just delusional.

  • @KrokrX Actually I did send him a letter, and told him to look up my brother's medical records.

  • GSFY - whatever you may have sent to the Judge didn't change the outcome of what must have been one of his easiest cases - you do realise that the paperwork is all on-line, don't you? Embezzling funds is a pretty low thing, but to do it to your own family takes a really special kind of low person, Jimmy. That makes you an even lower than your old 'friend' Nephi, congratulations.

  • @AlanCFA - thanks for reminding me - I just had another look at Erik Selberg's site, and followed the link 'Buying a spa' to his archive about his experience with GoodScienceForYou. I'd almost forgotten just how much old material he had, including many of Jimmy's funny rants and outrageous lies on old spa forums, and the less than flattering assessments of him by his fellow hot-tub salesmen - brought a smile to my face!

  • @KrokrX Jimmy and his sock accounts have flagged your comment, so I have reposted it

    GSFY - simply claiming 'I have completely defeated you using your own data.' doesn't make it so Jimmy, except perhaps in that deluded mind of yours that lost touch with reality years ago. Many weeks back you boastfully claimed to be working 'a whole series of videos to wipe out the religion of Evodelusionism from science' but there's still no sign of it - why not Jimmy, you dishonest cowardly creationist?

  • @AlanCFA - it seems that GSFY has gone into one of his periodic sulks and stopped replying and simply marking our comments as spam, using his multiple sock accounts. What can you expect from such an ill-educated and dishonest creationist? Thanks for reposting some of the comments, although I note that Jimmy has even marked some of those as spam already!

  • GoodScienceForYou shows his total ignorance of science with quotes like:-

    -Diamond are no longer carbon, they are diamonds.

    -Photosynthesis is a carbon digesting process.

    -The cause of sickle cell anemia is unknown, dumb ass.

    -Carbon is the only thing that makes us "carbon" based creatures

    -There is no answer for the diversity of life. It just is.

    -There is no way to validate any fossils without DNA.

    -There are only two species of bacteria.

    Anyone think they can learn anything from this clown?

  • Here are all the types of mutations from US gov genetics site:

    "Missense mutation

    This type of mutation is a change in one DNA base pair that results in the substitution of one amino acid for another in the protein made by a gene."

    If you have correct cell reproduction, you don't with this. The cell is reduced in its function or it atrophies.

  • "Nonsense mutation

    A nonsense mutation is also a change in one DNA base pair. Instead of substituting one amino acid for another, however, the altered DNA sequence prematurely signals the cell to stop building a protein. This type of mutation results in a shortened protein that may function improperly or not at all."

    If you had a good cell replication this certainly will screw it up and cause it to atrophy. You cannot build healthy cells with messed up DNA and short of a needed protean.

  • "Insertion

    An insertion changes the number of DNA bases in a gene by adding a piece of DNA. As a result, the protein made by the gene may not function properly."

    If you have an insertion, the protean that was being made is not made the way it was originally. This is almost always detrimental.

  • Deletion

    A deletion changes the number of DNA bases by removing a piece of DNA. Small deletions may remove one or a few base pairs within a gene, while larger deletions can remove an entire gene or several neighboring genes. The deleted DNA may alter the function of the resulting protein(s)."

    If you delete the proper coding for say a lung cell, what do you think will happen? It diminishes in its function and has a "genetic disease". Normal cell reproduction is reduced or completely flawed.

  • "Duplication

    A duplication consists of a piece of DNA that is abnormally copied one or more times. This type of mutation may alter the function of the resulting protein."

    This is sometimes neutral, but most of the time harmful because you have an extra protean that is not needed.

  • "Frameshift mutation

    This type of mutation occurs when the addition or loss of DNA bases changes a gene’s reading frame. A reading frame consists of groups of 3 bases that each code for one amino acid. A frameshift mutation shifts the grouping of these bases and changes the code for amino acids. The resulting protein is usually nonfunctional. Insertions, deletions, and duplications can all be frameshift mutations."

    Frameshifts are almost always harmful to cell reproduction.

  • Repeat expansion (illustration)

    Nucleotide repeats are short DNA sequences that are repeated a number of times in a row. For example, a trinucleotide repeat is made up of 3-base-pair sequences, and a tetranucleotide repeat is made up of 4-base-pair sequences. A repeat expansion is a mutation that increases the number of times that the short DNA sequence is repeated. This type of mutation can cause the resulting protein to function improperly.

    Look this up for yourself. Mutations are bad.

  • GSFY - perhaps you missed AlanCFA's earlier reply when you spammed the same comments earlier-

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    I searched "mutations" on the US Genetics website and result #4 shows this: "Do all gene mutations affect health and development?

    No; only a small percentage of mutations cause genetic disorders—most have no impact on health or development.

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    Repeatedly spamming the same material from your various socks is persuading no-one Jimmy!

  • Read the types of mutations that exist. This is all there is. Anytime you change a healthy cell production and mess up the coding you are degrading the creatures.

    There is nothing but continual net degradation. with 70% bad mutations, and the rest are worthless, life as a human species is degrading. In a few generations we will be having sex and looking for food as are primary life. Is that what you want? All based on scientific facts.

  • Here are all the types of mutations from US gov genetics site:

    "Missense mutation

    This type of mutation is a change in one DNA base pair that results in the substitution of one amino acid for another in the protein made by a gene."

    If you have correct cell reproduction, you don't with this. The cell is reduced in its function or it atrophies.

  • "Nonsense mutation

    A nonsense mutation is also a change in one DNA base pair. Instead of substituting one amino acid for another, however, the altered DNA sequence prematurely signals the cell to stop building a protein. This type of mutation results in a shortened protein that may function improperly or not at all."

    If you had a good cell replication this certainly will screw it up and cause it to atrophy. You cannot build healthy cells with messed up DNA and short of a needed protean.

  • "Insertion

    An insertion changes the number of DNA bases in a gene by adding a piece of DNA. As a result, the protein made by the gene may not function properly."

    If you have an insertion, the protean that was being made is not made the way it was originally. This is almost always detrimental.

  • Deletion

    A deletion changes the number of DNA bases by removing a piece of DNA. Small deletions may remove one or a few base pairs within a gene, while larger deletions can remove an entire gene or several neighboring genes. The deleted DNA may alter the function of the resulting protein(s)."

    If you delete the proper coding for say a lung cell, what do you think will happen? It diminishes in its function and has a "genetic disease". Normal cell reproduction is reduced or completely flawed.

  • "Duplication

    A duplication consists of a piece of DNA that is abnormally copied one or more times. This type of mutation may alter the function of the resulting protein."

    This is sometimes neutral, but most of the time harmful because you have an extra protean that is not needed.

  • "Frameshift mutation

    This type of mutation occurs when the addition or loss of DNA bases changes a gene’s reading frame. A reading frame consists of groups of 3 bases that each code for one amino acid. A frameshift mutation shifts the grouping of these bases and changes the code for amino acids. The resulting protein is usually nonfunctional. Insertions, deletions, and duplications can all be frameshift mutations."

    Frameshifts are almost always harmful to cell reproduction.

  • Repeat expansion (illustration)

    Nucleotide repeats are short DNA sequences that are repeated a number of times in a row. For example, a trinucleotide repeat is made up of 3-base-pair sequences, and a tetranucleotide repeat is made up of 4-base-pair sequences. A repeat expansion is a mutation that increases the number of times that the short DNA sequence is repeated. This type of mutation can cause the resulting protein to function improperly.

  • From peer reviewed scientific data over 70% of the mutations are bad, detrimental, cause disease. 1 % is possibly positive, and 29% is neutral. That is 70 to 1 odds for human genome degredation. We have mapped over 2000 genetic disesese in the human genome and we are just getting started. We are heading toward retardation, sickness and extinction if we don't preserve what's left of our genetics.

  • @KrokrX - repost

    GSFY - and don't think we hadn't notice that you've been creating additional socks so you can spam and pimp your brain-dead forum - the one where you abuse people and edit/delete posts you can't handle. Weren't you content with being the laughing stock of the hot-tub business as they recognised your dishonesty and used phrases such as 'pathological liar' to describe you?

    And you're not fooling anyone by thumbing up your own comments from your various socks either!

  • "Missense mutation

    This type of mutation is a change in one DNA base pair that results in the substitution of one amino acid for another in the protein made by a gene."

    Considering that the gene expression was making a good cell and now has been diminished by this. If the healthy cell reproduction is changed it is a down grade.

  • "Nonsense mutation

    A nonsense mutation is also a change in one DNA base pair. Instead of substituting one amino acid for another, however, the altered DNA sequence prematurely signals the cell to stop building a protein. This type of mutation results in a shortened protein that may function improperly or not at all."

    This mutation is guaranteed to have bad results and disease.

  • "Insertion

    An insertion changes the number of DNA bases in a gene by adding a piece of DNA. As a result, the protein made by the gene may not function properly."

    The original cell was working correctly and now has diminished by this screwed up protean change.

  • "Deletion

    A deletion changes the number of DNA bases by removing a piece of DNA. Small deletions may remove one or a few base pairs within a gene, while larger deletions can remove an entire gene or several neighboring genes. The deleted DNA may alter the function of the resulting protein(s)."

    This removes a protean from the cell reproduction. This is always bad or lowers the strength of the cell, or it causes death.

  • "Duplication

    A duplication consists of a piece of DNA that is abnormally copied one or more times. This type of mutation may alter the function of the resulting protein."

    If the cell was working properly it now has an extra coding of the same protean one or more times that it most likely can't use in the original formula. This is bad.