Gods and Generals- Go to Their Graves Like Beds

[countessyasmin]

My favorite General!! I believe the outcome of the war would have been different had he lived.

[SoBelleofTN]

For a good insite on 'T.J. Jackson', watch the movie...Yesterday the 'Directors Cut' of this movie was released for sale in Blu-Ray version! This will include much more including the Chancellorsville battle I've been told. Civil War buffs have been waiting for this version, for quite some time. It should prove to be well worth watching!

[RevBillyRayCollins]

This army stays here until the last wounded man is removed. Before I will leave them to the enemy, I will lose many more men. - Stonewall Jackson, Winchester, 1862.

[markmason1000]

yeah some people get so wrapped up in the side they choose that they cant talk with somebody that believes in something different

[markmason1000]

that's why I chose the side I did

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@markmason1000 it was a war that shouldnt have happened Im just glad me and you are able to have a civil argument about it instead of some of the imature arguments I get into. Im glad someone can calmly give me their side and I appreciate you for it, I fell Im just like Lee, I wouldnt of wanted to leave but I would rather die than see my state marched on.

[DarthMercanto]

@RevBillyRayCollins That's frusterating, an informed and polite conversation about the Civil War on youtube and I missed it by six months :P.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@DarthMercanto Ha your right, this conversation between me and mark was actually one of my first about the civil war on this site.

[markmason1000]

yeah but don't forget the Union was just as Nobel as the Confederacy.Men that fought in blue did it because they loved the flag and what it stood for.Even generals like Lee and Longstreet felt some sadness at the idea of fighting against a country that they served most of their military careers fighting for even a couple like General George Thomas and Winfield Scott couldn't bring themselves to do it

[mercucio61]

To tell you the truth, I'm happy he died, because if he lived the world would have turn out wrong. So wrong.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@mercucio61 If your talking about Lee then I must tell you he was in prison when he died because the usa felt what he did was wrong and he should be jailed for war crimes even though it was the union army that torched and destroyed the south.

[markmason1000]

@RevBillyRayCollins

No Lee just went home,He was actually quite loyal to the union after the war,and by the way most of the time the U.S army compensated and if you want to see some real brutality just look at YOUR glorious "heros". General Nathan Bedford Forrestt allowed the outright murder of black Federal soldiers,When confederate Calvary under Quantrill rode into Lawrence Kansas they murdered all the men and even teenage boys,so before you go spitting our generals take a VERY close look

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@markmason1000 your right I was mistaken, but there was plenty of brutality on the union side as well, sherman's scorched earth policy, and many of the union POW camps that mistreated the CSA soildiers, and dont give me the crap about the CSA did the same thing because what they did at their camps was because they didnt have the resources to maintain regulations like food and etc, the union treated the CSA POWs horribly cause they wanted to, and yes Lee loved the union, he only sided with the

[RevBillyRayCollins]

@markmason1000 CSA because he didnt want the union destroying his and my state of Virginia, but one should not judge the two sides by how they fought, but by why they fought, keep that in mind and think about why the union fought as compared to why the CSA fought, you will see why I chose the latter side.

[RevBillyRayCollins]

I am too old to command this army. We should never have permitted [the enemy] to get away. - Robert E. Lee

[RevBillyRayCollins]

I'm proud to know members of my family served with the Confederacy, I only wish I was there to help

[rohirrim90]

Sorry in my first post in your response I said the Confederates lost. It was supposed to be the Union lost. My apologies for that simple mistake; I was writing it late at night so that might account for that simple mistake when i was revising the sentences.

[rohirrim90]

To wrap it up we don't know what the hell would have happened if Jackson didn't die there because so many different things could also happen like mentioned before. There were so many things at Gettysburg that could have gone either way or might not have happened because things happened differently.  So saying "if this happened" is not a good argument due to the fact things would happen different both ways. Very sorry for the multiple post, but I can't get my point in 500 words or less.

[rohirrim90]

But if your thinking Gettysburg would have happened like assume(most people think it would always happen) then yes I agree Jackson would have smashed the XI again, taken Culp's HIll, stage an attack on the forming I and XI with all the might he could muster because he was that aggressive. And then to the west Longstreet would have commanded the other corps most likely giving the battle a bigger spark, but Reynolds may not have been killed. Considering that; it would be an entirely different.

[rohirrim90]

Though I will agree that if Jackson lived at Chancellorsville to the next campaign it had promise to be much better that it did. Saying "ifs" is wrong because if Jackson was there and in command of their original men Heth would have never left for Gettysburg because he would never let him go alone if it was said the Union was there. Thus causing no battle that we would discuss today, but a different one maybe in Maryland(I can't say because it's hard to tell).

[rohirrim90]

With Sedgwick coming up with coming on their fronts and the rest in Lee's rear there would be no Chancellorsville, but a Fredericksburg II with a Union victory or at least a beating so bad it would spell out Lee's defeat in the next battle. The reason they would have lost is because it would be pretty much open ground with the Union outnumbering the confederates on both sides; if they were in the open 1on1 even they would be crushed by sear numbers because they would have very few advantages.

[rohirrim90]

The only reason the Confederates lost was due to many communication errors that Lee and Jackson used to their advantage(They were fantastic generals no doubt in my mind). If someone other than Hooker was in charge before the battle or even during it like Hancock or someone aggressive or even competent, they would have torn a hole in Lee's army by catching them somewhat off guard in positions that were not meant to defend from their rear and front at the same time.

[rohirrim90]

I know this was 5 months ago, but I'm going to comment anyways. The war would have ended the same with a Union victory in the end no matter what though with a different end I believe. It would stay the same because Vicksburg would still happen and Grant would then come to the east just like he did. When Grant gets there the same thing will happen as it did before but many more casualties due to the many brilliant commanders that were left.

[xVin89x]

@rohirrim90 i agree with SobelleofTN if Jackson had not died, the South would have had a successful northern campaign to take over important northern cities starting with washington dc, then baltimore, then pittsburgh& Philly and eventually New York controlling key industry and supply. the South almost pulled it off without Jackson, for he would have only improved their chances. Chancerllorsville is the greatest example being outnumbered over 2 to 1 they still took the ground.

[SoBelleofTN]

I guess that is something that we will never really know. People who study the Civil War believe that If Jackson , had not been killed the results may have been very different in the outcome of the war. When he died Gen Lee made a statement: Gen Jackson has lost his left arm, I have lost my right! He would have played a very important roll in the outcome of the Civil War. Known as a military genius, a fearless soldier in battle but God-fearing man who hesitated to kill on Sunday.

[SamuelDMorgan]

@SoBelleofTN True! Imagine if he had been there at Gettysburg for the first day! It would have been 2nd Mannasas all over again!

[vacaturesonline]

@SoBelleofTN Thanks for you´re interesting comment and sharing you´re knowledge!

[SoBelleofTN]

Beautiful music, touching...General Thomas Jonathan Jackson aka "Stonewall", was accidently shot by his own men at the battle of Chancellorsville. He later died of pneumonia , what a loss of a great man and General of the American Civil War. His tactics on battle are still studied at war colleges today. It is said when he entered into battle with the "Stonewall Brigade," he became a fighting war machine and was relentless in battle. A superior leader for the South.

[Vladimast]

amen. I often wonder what America would be like today if the south had won.