you must have missed the part where the video stated that saudi arabia has an inordinarily high accident rate, as compared to the rest of the world, including the us, where women are also allowed to drive and must therefore positively affect statistics
First: Islam did not prevent the leadership of Saudi women of the car, on the contrary .. Islam takes into account the rights of women in Saudi Arabia But there are some retarded people who say that Islam forbids the leadership of Saudi women .. This is not true at all!!
أولاً : الإسلام لم يمنع قيادة المرأة السعودية للسيارة ، بالعكس .. الإسلام يراعي حقوق المرأة في السعودية
لكن هناك بعض الناس المتخلفين الذين يقولون بأن الإسلام يمنع قيادة المرأة السعودية .. وهذا ليس صحيحاً بتاتاً !!
I have been driving in whole Europe from Spain to Cyprus, from Germany to Bulgaria, through a lot of countries, thousands of miles, for years. One day, on board of a flight from Athens to Larnaca, some men (there were no women on that flight) asked me why my company was sending me, a woman, to sell over there: "are there no men in your country?"
@vipagenta Well, there is no law which says women can't drive anyway.
What I meant is that anybody, or anything with a penis can drive. No matter how incompetent they are. While anybody without a penis is not allowed to drive, no matter how competent they are.
Yes, women are sentient human beings, but this fact has not seeped through in Saudi Arabia, where a woman is regarded as a weak non-sentient sub-species.
They could let women drive with some limitations. For example , women are allowed to drive during the day and so on...
They should have more police patrols in the street for security reasons..
They should make an age limit , like women of 21 and above can drive.
And they should have a legit driving test for them, unlike the men, if you know people you can get the license delivered to your doorstep within days, and you don't even have to take a driving test.
I think they should let women drive period. And any man who has a problem with that and bothers them should be punished. Regardless of family or wasta. Why shouldn't a woman drive at night? What if a child is seriously ill and needs to go to the hospital? What if she works late?
A woman will always be safer in her own car, alone, than with a strange unrelated male driving her.
@clouddragontv yeh i totally agree with the idea of women driving, rights should be equal regarding the gender, but i just gave these examples as a start for them to actually consider it . isn't it obvious how closed minded and stubborn they are, i was just trying to compensate for starters.
@clouddragontv what i meant about the wasta , is that most of Saudi men get their license through wasta and crap. if they know someone , they get their driving license delivered to their doorstep without even working for it. they don't deserve to drive, in fact they don't know how to drive in the first place. why can't women have the rights to drive also? hypocrisy to the extreme...
I really like this video, it explains a lot, it shows how closed minded and uncivilized this country is. Look at what stupid reasons they're using, a womens heart is too weak for it to handle driving stress -.- seriously?? A high percentage of accidents are caused by stupid reckless men driving around like idiots, why do they still have the rights to drive. People die cause of them drifters and I see no reaction toward this nonsense...women should drive..
@moodisback Yes, if you look at the horrendous amount of accidents and deaths in Saudi Arabia you really should not require any more proof as to why having roads with only men driving is a really bad idea.
Maybe they should turn it around, only women can drive and men cannot. With one fell swoop the whole issue of the incredibly high death rate would be solved. And the men can hire foreign women to drive them.
Ok, i dont' think I could. I'm aware to travell by myself around the world, meeting somebody if I want, not for money, sir, not prostiturion, just for my own pleasure. ( I know its hard to understand that beautiful women can go down with anybody without having to pay for it as you do, but yes, it happens;not with you looong bart- and shooort dig men)By the way, if you like whiskey, drink whiskey in ýour country too, not only abroad...
I wish I 'd be a Saudi woman. I shouldn't have to drive, to work at the factory, to buy the meal, the things everybody needs in a familiy, and I would meet my friends at home, male and female, as my husband would be working for me, I could meet my secret wishes and I would wear only nice underwear for my lovers, and only the best creams and parfums for my skin. If somebody is ready to pay for it and share me with other friends and girlfriends (yes I like both), I am ready for it!
Well today is the day, women will make their statement in Saudi Arabia for their need to drive to lead normal productive lives...a basic Human Right! Go Women2Drive GO! Your art work is beautiful... Thank you for making the video.
Thank you, I hope the muted reaction is a sign that the powers that be are looking at what reaction the ublic is giving to this and when there is not too much outcry then maybe.... they will allow women to drive!
@nicetouch10 Nope, and I don't think anyone gets the idea. Your basic point is that there is a correlation between the spread of HIV/AIDS and women driving cars? (BTW, the numbers are very much skewed and by KSA law you'd have to deport those foreigners). Yeah I bet you immediately hop up off of the couch to 'serve' if she needs to buy something. "Side-effects" like independence, self-determination and freedom? Where did you get your numbers, mine are: UNICEF and Index Mundi.
@Rhysz1 There were overall 191,670 victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2005. 1 of 6 U.S. women has experienced an attempted or completed rape. " wikipedia " .
There were 85,000 women raped in the UK in the previous year, equating to about 230 cases every day. " wikipedia " . wikipedia.o r g/wiki/Rape_statistics > for more info " no spaces "
OOOOOOOH! I didn't even see this one. I suppose those numbers have nothing to do with shame and social repercussions? Rape is a very commonly underrated crime, let's add the social stigma and the fact of a very male dominated theocracy. As I said before, your numbers are skewed. I'll even give you this; 'same for US/UK'. Rape is very underreported. The difference is that women have more of an incentive to report rape there (even if it's only less risk of social backlash).
@Rhysz1 Not forgetting that in many muslim countries women get punished for being raped by the government, or even killed by their family, so they have a great incentive not to report it at all.
And if we take into account that there is a correlation between the status of women and rape, I'd say actual rape statistics in countries like Saudi Arabia will probably be astronomical, way higher than in the west.
@clouddragontv I'd argue that it's even worse Cloudy. Virgin women get raped so they can be legitimately executed in Iran. are you going to make me say this is matriarchal? Women under-reporting rape isn't new. I suppose you're referring to Nicetouch's 'statistics'.
Now make me a sandwich woman! Technically, I still own you.
You still have failed to make a singular point of how this relates to women driving. Again, you've made the video's underlying point of oppression. You're confusing correlation with causation to a frustrating extent.
@nicetouch10 I'm also wondering how the admittedly under-reported AIDS rate in a country has any relation to the systematic denial of basic, ordinary rights to half the population in that same country? What bearing, if any, does denying women freedom to drive have on the incidence or transmission of AIDS?
Please note, correlation does not equal causation.
By the way, my claim that the the incidence and rate of AIDS in the KSA are under-reported actually has a documented and well-researched source. nyti (dot) ms/iK1RHx
@nicetouch10 Apart from the fact that you haven't responded to any point that I made in my replies?
I've actually managed to find your numbers, but I've also found them to be incredibly wanting. In the words of Mark Twain: "There's lies, damned lies and statistics.". You've not refuted one single point I made nor have you backed up your own,. Time and time again you try to confuse the issue!
@Rhysz1 Because if the women drive, should be there a policewomen, which mean policemen and policewomen will contact each other. And it will happens ( men and women alone in an office, a room, or a car etc .. ) . After that, the corruption ( Debauchery & Prostitution ) will spread in the whole country and the deseases as well. Sorry, but I think you don't want to understand what I said. If you think my numbers are wrong or " lies ", bring the right one.
@nicetouch10 "Because if the women drive"...." PoliceWOMEN, in my mind they're just officers of the law, as they should be. There's a reason they wear a uniform and are issued a badge. Adults will do what adults do but women driving hardly necessitates "Debauchery & Prostitution". Nor will it destroy a country. You've systematically been proven wrong, so it's you that has to deal with the reality of numbers (you've been given multiple links and articles) I don't know what more you need.
(cont...) People have responded to you at every turn and politely pointed out where you were wrong,. In response you tried to adapt your position numerous times now, which still is relatively the same. The major issue that you seem to ignore is basic 'human rights' [I,C.: the freedom of movement].
@Rhysz1 first, I'm sure of my numbers.If you prove against that. I will tell you from where I got my numbers. be cause I got it from many sources. Second, why we don't allow women to drive a car. Be cause we protect her of being raped,stolen,victim etc. Imagine a woman driving a car in a dark road or a village or any where that the view is not clear. She has an engine failure. Isn't it easy to do what ever you want with her? If she has been raped, she will feel miserable in the rest of her life.
@nicetouch10 Uhm, no. You made a claim, I expect you to be able to back that up. When I countered your claims I told you where I got them. Since you made a claim 'the burden of proof' is on you.
I don't want to strawman you too much here but your claim is beyond ludicrous.You (men) protect her from others (men) by denying her freedom of movement? Isn't there any part of you that sees the ridiculous position you're taking? What if YOU are driving down a dark road?
Cont... The Bottom line is that YOU are making decisions for another human being solely on the base that your bits dangle and her pits don't. I understand that people love to wrap this in the 'we're only protecting her' argument. Tell you what hotshot; YOU'RE NOT.
'If she gets raped' Nonsense, if she decides to run the risk of living life that's up to her NOT YOU. While making your argument you've actually not replied to a single point nor have you made any salient points.
In fact you've proven the exact underlying point of the video. I must commend you on that sir. I suggest you take a hard long look at your mothers, sisters, friends and think about if it makes them happy being tied to the house all in the name of them preserving their purity. You treat half of your fellow human beings no better than cattle, and this is by your own words.
I'm saudi and I can see that life can still go on without allowing women to drive
.. so stop making this issue looks like the most crucial .. wanna drive ? there are about 200 countries in the world that allows women to drive .. Saudi Arabia is a kingdom .. which means the royal family " owns " the country, so stop making fools out of yourselves
@alphamon22 Right...... Live, ofcourse will go on.
This isn't the most crucial issue, it's the underlying bigotry. "there are about 200 countries in the world that allows women to drive" Good, will they be allowed to leave without permission of their maram. Grats you made me LOFMAOPIMP.
Saw this on PZ Myers blog, Pharyngula. I salute you, Manal, and every other woman around the world whose rights as a human being have been trampled upon. Your courage is a lesson to us all. You're in my thoughts.
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i agree with the saudi's. Women should not be allowed to drive, and cooking and cleaning should be manditory, and you should be allowed to beat them (if they mis behave)
@doc7474 Exactly! It's about backward minds! I support the right of Saudi women to drive. The USA where I live is also the victim of religious zealots desperate to impose their definition of religion on all Americans. This is backward thought just as banning Saudi women from driving. No nation moves forward which allows itself to be governed by backward minds!
@morelibations What the hell are you talking about? KSA has been an ally of the USA for decades now. If anything they're getting a free pass on what is basically a theocratic dictatorship and without a doubt one of the most repressive regimes in the world, especially towards women. You might want to read up a bit more and I don't mean 'Salafi Daily'
@ieetmelon If it is the actual reasoning of a Saudi cleric talking about a well-known law, then how is it racist or offensive to Arabs? Reality is not prejudiced. If the reality in Saudi Arabia is this bad and the reasoning of Saudi clerics is as warped and misogynistic as it is in this video, then pointing it out is not racist or offensive. If Arabs are unhappy with this reality then they should work they should set about changing it.
@ieetmelon Why is it every time someone has criticism of law implemented by man (in this case by the muslim faith, and I use that loosely) people like you immediately scream racism, islamophobia, etc.? If you find a cartoon like this offensive I suggest you turn on your netnanny for your own protection.
A very funny video with a very serious message. To be an adult and yet not be treated like one must be incredibly frustrating. I've no doubt that Saudi Arabia will change for the better one day, though. The question is when.
As someone who's been to the middle east (not Saudi Arabia, specifically) several times I can say that the comments on how permissive they are, shouldn't really be doubted.
Seat belts?
No one uses those!
Traffic rules?
You may need to learn a few to pass the test for a driving license, but you can forget all about them when you're actually on the road.
If a monkey drove, no one would notice. He'd not drive any worse than the usual Saudi driver...
You know I have to say, I couldn't find any tolerance for Islam and that did give me pause to wonder if I was being fair.
But now that I see that Islam really does make sense about certain things maybe I shouldn't be so harsh to judge them...Ah what, I missed what point again ?
No they wouldn't. They can't. No woman is allowed to travel without the written, signed permission of her male ''guardian'' (aka owner) Al women are under ownership of some man. if they really have no male family they are owned by the state. Only the owner can give permission for a woman to leave the country.
When a woman is leaving the country the owner also gets a text message, so if he changes his mind he can stop her.
Given this a lot of thought. Things aren't always black and white and issues like this are often more nuanced than videos like this make them appear to be. With that said, I can sum up my position by saying: Saudi men are fucking crazy insecure assholes with what one can only assume are SUPER small penises
@Rhysz1 Ya, I think the best thing you can do with people who are unreasonable is make fun of their positions. People are stubborn and normally wont change their minds. But if you point out the absurdity of their positions, they might come off them a bit.
@ryguy331986 Well 'comedy' does mean 'the laugh in the tear'. Observational comedy especially confronts us with the absurdity of reality, IMhO Cloudy's cartoon is no different. Conversely this is why the more close-minded don't get humour very often.
All religions are stupid and anyone who believes the crap taught by religions is stupid as well, this video is illustrative of the stupidity of Islam for example.
@bobster451 Actually, there is nothing in Islam which forbids women to drive their own transport. On the contrary, the hadith tell of women riding camels, donkeys and horses, riding into battle, etc. So you can argue it is against sunnah to forbid women to drive their own transport.
@clouddragontv This is the kind of comment I hate to see from atheists. (sweeping accusation + broad assumption = win). CDTV is focusing in on a very specific issue here but that seems to be lost on Bobster.
@bobster451 Religion has nothing to do with this driving prohibition. if it did the Saudi women would be screwed. if people keep harping on it Saudi women will be screwed. Saudi Arabia is a theocracy, it is ruled by a royal family and religious elite.
It is known that women did drive their own transport in the time of the prophet there is a religious proof that women can drive their own transport in this time. For this instance religion supports the right thing to do.
@bobster451 Last time I checked a theocracy I was returned this definition:
"a system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god."
Simple wiki search: "Theocracy is a form of government in which a state is understood as governed by immediate divine guidance especially a state ruled by clergy, or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided."
Dude, come on you can surely do better. You clearly have no understanding of politics, religion ore even the point of this video. Can you actually state a salient point? I'd love to hear it. I maintain that your original opinion is still a load of nonsense!
I still contend that the prohibition on women driving is another interpretation of scripture akin to the divide of different sects of christianity, i.e. Catholic, Methodist, Presbyterian, Mormon, etc.
But one thing is certain and that is that this prohibition of women driving is based on religion.
@bobster451 I'm not quite sure that's quite what he meant. However the entire construction of religion breeds a sense of superiority to those of no faith or even no faith. The simplest example that comes to mind is the NT's promise of heaven and the punishment of the rest. I won't even go Hitchens here and say that religion is our first attempt at philosophy, it's an evolution of our tribalism. in-group = good, out-group = bad.
I was expecting one of thos videos that show a North American woman failing at parallel parking or something... Such a buzz kill, lol. Good video though, this was one aspect of oppression in Saudi Arabia that I wasn't yet aware of to be honest.
@ThePeacefulAtheistt Actually the west still discriminates against women, only way less. And are you saying that anything in worldwide discrimination equals the actual slavery imposed on 50% of Saudi's inhabitants?
@clouddragontv women are still discriminated in the western world, but men are more (army, war, divorce, jail, job, rape...) and the most people don't really care about sexism against men
@DazedNC0nfuzed sometimes there are females discriminared and sometimes they are males discriminated, but males are more(job, army, police, divorce, prison time...)
@ThePeacefulAtheistt That is not an example of male discrimination, that is an example of men behaving against set rules/laws. Discrimination is like saying "You're a woman, therefore it is illegal to do these perfectly OK things that you can do, but we won't let you". Women have been on the wrong end of the discriminative stick for as long as people remember (Women? In Parliament? HOW DARE YOU! etc etc.)
@ThePeacefulAtheistt So sad that US courts both favor the primary caregiver when deciding custody for dependent children, and still subscribe to outdated gender stereotypes that say women are the more nurturing and caring of the sexes.
It's funny because MRAs try and use this argument to their advantage, without fucking thinking of course. It's like "Why, YES, stereotypes -are- a bad thing, Mr poor oppressed white guy, it's kinda what we've been trying to tell you". It's like they forgot which gender imposed these practices in the first place. Also "baww women get free drinks in bars". O wow, I'd trade that beer with being treated as an equal human being any day. Patriarchies hurt everyone.
3) stop shoehorning your favorite rant about how the west's history of forcing women into a much lesser and different role than men has lead to a modern-day inequality in custody decisions ***in forums devoted to other countries denying *their* women even /self-agency/***, and SHUT YOUR GODDAMN YAP.
@whatthehellpeople Feminism is against gender equality, if feminism was about equality, why are the most feminist hate men? I am for gender equality, I know that women are discriminated and men are discriminated
You clearly don't understand that feminism is about human rights. The right of bodily integrity, the right to vote, the right to learn, the right to own property, the right to be protected against violence, abuse, sexual harassment and rape, the right to get medical assistance, equal pay for equal work, the right of equality to men, the right to be protected against gender-specific discrimination
@clouddragontv I support that, I am against the feminism that says men are not discriminated, ban porn ( speacily that one), we how no sexuality, men are pigs, men should have less rights...
I know that not all feminist support this ideas, but the mayority support some of them
@ThePeacefulAtheistt You have no understanding of feminism, AND you don't know how to use a greater-than sign. Things are not looking up for your argument.
@ThePeacefulAtheistt Oh, I get it, you're playing the victim card. I love it how you're really a one-note troll. May I suggest you join True Forced Loneliness (TFL) or MRA (Men's Rights Advocates) They'd happily take you in and would give me a nice shot at making another video.
@whatthehellpeople Well, it's not about equality per se, you can't deny that differences must be made on a biological basis. To me the most important thing about feminism is to provide a more even playing field, one that, to this day, still favors men. Nver let Cloudy see this she'll slaughter me.
@trizniak Wait... WHAT? Give a valid reason... if you are serious back that up. Women tend to be more cautious and safer drivers with better driving records and fewer accidents than men.
Please...please explain this utter bullshit comment.
Hardy har har har. Gee, one misogynist thinks their reasons are more valid than the reasons of the other misogynists. Wonderful. Your reasons are just as much BS as theirs. Until you see that, you are to be pitied.
not allowing women to drive is so obviously a lack of saudi men "contradiction of terms i know" self confidence. all saudi men are good for is going to bahrain and paying russians to prove their manhood. great video.
@zahrmm0o One tip for you: Google Saudi traffic accident, and you will find out that Saudi has the worst level of accidents in the world. And it's the only country where only men can drive....
so are you tryin to make this a joke or not? im a little confused as to what the actual message is...are yall against women driving or not?
starlite601 3 weeks ago
hmm.. if only this law were true in the U.S.... Then maybe there would be no more car accidents.
PIEgunz 5 months ago
@PIEgunz
you must have missed the part where the video stated that saudi arabia has an inordinarily high accident rate, as compared to the rest of the world, including the us, where women are also allowed to drive and must therefore positively affect statistics
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First: Islam did not prevent the leadership of Saudi women of the car, on the contrary .. Islam takes into account the rights of women in Saudi Arabia But there are some retarded people who say that Islam forbids the leadership of Saudi women .. This is not true at all!!
أولاً : الإسلام لم يمنع قيادة المرأة السعودية للسيارة ، بالعكس .. الإسلام يراعي حقوق المرأة في السعودية
لكن هناك بعض الناس المتخلفين الذين يقولون بأن الإسلام يمنع قيادة المرأة السعودية .. وهذا ليس صحيحاً بتاتاً !!
Samson99R 7 months ago
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Samson99R 7 months ago
whatever she did was wrong ... cant go against the Law just because you don't like it !
waleedgilani 8 months ago
@waleedgilani Yeah and if law says men are not allowed to drive , you'll be ok with it....?
moodisback 5 months ago
@moodisback if i had a problem with the LAW . i would move out of the country . if i DONT . i would stay !
waleedgilani 5 months ago
I have been driving in whole Europe from Spain to Cyprus, from Germany to Bulgaria, through a lot of countries, thousands of miles, for years. One day, on board of a flight from Athens to Larnaca, some men (there were no women on that flight) asked me why my company was sending me, a woman, to sell over there: "are there no men in your country?"
beachita 8 months ago
what you just said means that the saudi law is stupid because you said that blind people could drive but NOT WOMEN !!! they're human beings!!!
aren't they!!???
vipagenta 8 months ago
@vipagenta Well, there is no law which says women can't drive anyway.
What I meant is that anybody, or anything with a penis can drive. No matter how incompetent they are. While anybody without a penis is not allowed to drive, no matter how competent they are.
Yes, women are sentient human beings, but this fact has not seeped through in Saudi Arabia, where a woman is regarded as a weak non-sentient sub-species.
clouddragontv 8 months ago
@clouddragontv
That explains why transexuallity rates has elevated.
budulislt2007 8 months ago
They could let women drive with some limitations. For example , women are allowed to drive during the day and so on...
They should have more police patrols in the street for security reasons..
They should make an age limit , like women of 21 and above can drive.
And they should have a legit driving test for them, unlike the men, if you know people you can get the license delivered to your doorstep within days, and you don't even have to take a driving test.
This country is full of hypocrites .
moodisback 8 months ago
@moodisback
I think they should let women drive period. And any man who has a problem with that and bothers them should be punished. Regardless of family or wasta. Why shouldn't a woman drive at night? What if a child is seriously ill and needs to go to the hospital? What if she works late?
A woman will always be safer in her own car, alone, than with a strange unrelated male driving her.
clouddragontv 8 months ago
@clouddragontv yeh i totally agree with the idea of women driving, rights should be equal regarding the gender, but i just gave these examples as a start for them to actually consider it . isn't it obvious how closed minded and stubborn they are, i was just trying to compensate for starters.
moodisback 8 months ago
@clouddragontv what i meant about the wasta , is that most of Saudi men get their license through wasta and crap. if they know someone , they get their driving license delivered to their doorstep without even working for it. they don't deserve to drive, in fact they don't know how to drive in the first place. why can't women have the rights to drive also? hypocrisy to the extreme...
moodisback 8 months ago
i think so that but i also think that you should respect the law.
NaBjE11 2 months ago
I really like this video, it explains a lot, it shows how closed minded and uncivilized this country is. Look at what stupid reasons they're using, a womens heart is too weak for it to handle driving stress -.- seriously?? A high percentage of accidents are caused by stupid reckless men driving around like idiots, why do they still have the rights to drive. People die cause of them drifters and I see no reaction toward this nonsense...women should drive..
Mahmood alali
moodisback 8 months ago
@moodisback Yes, if you look at the horrendous amount of accidents and deaths in Saudi Arabia you really should not require any more proof as to why having roads with only men driving is a really bad idea.
Maybe they should turn it around, only women can drive and men cannot. With one fell swoop the whole issue of the incredibly high death rate would be solved. And the men can hire foreign women to drive them.
clouddragontv 8 months ago
@clouddragontv ahahaha i like the last part , i don't mind trying that :P
moodisback 8 months ago
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FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!
willytheamazing 8 months ago
@willytheamazing Let your creditcard pass first....
Regards,
Maram
Rhysz1 8 months ago
FUCK YOU!!!!!
willytheamazing 8 months ago
@willytheamazing
Thank you for sharing
clouddragontv 8 months ago
@willytheamazing This has to be the MOST REFUTING ARGUMENT EVER! You've honestly hit every single point made. Genius!
Regards,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 8 months ago
Ok, i dont' think I could. I'm aware to travell by myself around the world, meeting somebody if I want, not for money, sir, not prostiturion, just for my own pleasure. ( I know its hard to understand that beautiful women can go down with anybody without having to pay for it as you do, but yes, it happens;not with you looong bart- and shooort dig men)By the way, if you like whiskey, drink whiskey in ýour country too, not only abroad...
beachita 8 months ago
I wish I 'd be a Saudi woman. I shouldn't have to drive, to work at the factory, to buy the meal, the things everybody needs in a familiy, and I would meet my friends at home, male and female, as my husband would be working for me, I could meet my secret wishes and I would wear only nice underwear for my lovers, and only the best creams and parfums for my skin. If somebody is ready to pay for it and share me with other friends and girlfriends (yes I like both), I am ready for it!
beachita 8 months ago
@beachita I'm ready to serve... Can I have a side-order of sarcasm with that Irony? LOL
Regards,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 8 months ago
sharia law is a disgrace to the animal kingdom. it should be abolished and banned from being mentioned.
thrillzonevideos 8 months ago
Well today is the day, women will make their statement in Saudi Arabia for their need to drive to lead normal productive lives...a basic Human Right! Go Women2Drive GO! Your art work is beautiful... Thank you for making the video.
PEACEOMPAZ 8 months ago 2
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Thank you, I hope the muted reaction is a sign that the powers that be are looking at what reaction the ublic is giving to this and when there is not too much outcry then maybe.... they will allow women to drive!
clouddragontv 8 months ago
They making us look as if we were dolls or something O.o
stupid Fatwas=Brain wash
7:44 Hahahaha
kakashi4A7lam 8 months ago
@kakashi4A7lam
Dolls with weak hearts. ;)
clouddragontv 8 months ago
The total number of HIV/AIDS patients in the Kingdom is 10,181. Saudis make up 2,316 of these, while 7,805 are foreigners !!
The total number of HIV/AIDS patients in the U.S. is 1,106,400. < Are you feel good ?
Islam does not forbid driving car for women, but there are a " side-effects " .
that make a lot of stuff forbidden .
I am a Saudi guy. If my sister says she wants to go anywhere, I MUST say OK , and serve her . \
Hopping you get the idea.
nicetouch10 8 months ago
@nicetouch10 Nope, and I don't think anyone gets the idea. Your basic point is that there is a correlation between the spread of HIV/AIDS and women driving cars? (BTW, the numbers are very much skewed and by KSA law you'd have to deport those foreigners). Yeah I bet you immediately hop up off of the couch to 'serve' if she needs to buy something. "Side-effects" like independence, self-determination and freedom? Where did you get your numbers, mine are: UNICEF and Index Mundi.
Regards,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 8 months ago
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@Rhysz1 There were overall 191,670 victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2005. 1 of 6 U.S. women has experienced an attempted or completed rape. " wikipedia " .
There were 85,000 women raped in the UK in the previous year, equating to about 230 cases every day. " wikipedia " . wikipedia.o r g/wiki/Rape_statistics > for more info " no spaces "
nicetouch10 8 months ago
OOOOOOOH! I didn't even see this one. I suppose those numbers have nothing to do with shame and social repercussions? Rape is a very commonly underrated crime, let's add the social stigma and the fact of a very male dominated theocracy. As I said before, your numbers are skewed. I'll even give you this; 'same for US/UK'. Rape is very underreported. The difference is that women have more of an incentive to report rape there (even if it's only less risk of social backlash).
Rhysz1 8 months ago
(I meant "underreported crime")
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Rhysz1 8 months ago
@Rhysz1 Not forgetting that in many muslim countries women get punished for being raped by the government, or even killed by their family, so they have a great incentive not to report it at all.
And if we take into account that there is a correlation between the status of women and rape, I'd say actual rape statistics in countries like Saudi Arabia will probably be astronomical, way higher than in the west.
clouddragontv 8 months ago
@clouddragontv I'd argue that it's even worse Cloudy. Virgin women get raped so they can be legitimately executed in Iran. are you going to make me say this is matriarchal? Women under-reporting rape isn't new. I suppose you're referring to Nicetouch's 'statistics'.
Now make me a sandwich woman! Technically, I still own you.
Regards,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 8 months ago
Cont...
You still have failed to make a singular point of how this relates to women driving. Again, you've made the video's underlying point of oppression. You're confusing correlation with causation to a frustrating extent.
Kindly,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 8 months ago
@Rhysz1 Can you please tell me where is the confusing, exactly ?
I think the point is too clear if you looked at the numbers . Just think about it , and you will get it .
Regards,
MOHAMMED . (:
nicetouch10 8 months ago
@nicetouch10 I'm also wondering how the admittedly under-reported AIDS rate in a country has any relation to the systematic denial of basic, ordinary rights to half the population in that same country? What bearing, if any, does denying women freedom to drive have on the incidence or transmission of AIDS?
Please note, correlation does not equal causation.
DmKrispin 8 months ago
By the way, my claim that the the incidence and rate of AIDS in the KSA are under-reported actually has a documented and well-researched source. nyti (dot) ms/iK1RHx
DmKrispin 8 months ago
@nicetouch10 Apart from the fact that you haven't responded to any point that I made in my replies?
I've actually managed to find your numbers, but I've also found them to be incredibly wanting. In the words of Mark Twain: "There's lies, damned lies and statistics.". You've not refuted one single point I made nor have you backed up your own,. Time and time again you try to confuse the issue!
Why don't you think about it?
Regards,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 8 months ago
PS
The question remains "how does women driving equate to AIDS/HIV?"
Rhysz1 8 months ago
@Rhysz1 Because if the women drive, should be there a policewomen, which mean policemen and policewomen will contact each other. And it will happens ( men and women alone in an office, a room, or a car etc .. ) . After that, the corruption ( Debauchery & Prostitution ) will spread in the whole country and the deseases as well. Sorry, but I think you don't want to understand what I said. If you think my numbers are wrong or " lies ", bring the right one.
Sincerely.
nicetouch10 8 months ago
@nicetouch10 "Because if the women drive"...." PoliceWOMEN, in my mind they're just officers of the law, as they should be. There's a reason they wear a uniform and are issued a badge. Adults will do what adults do but women driving hardly necessitates "Debauchery & Prostitution". Nor will it destroy a country. You've systematically been proven wrong, so it's you that has to deal with the reality of numbers (you've been given multiple links and articles) I don't know what more you need.
Rhysz1 8 months ago
(cont...) People have responded to you at every turn and politely pointed out where you were wrong,. In response you tried to adapt your position numerous times now, which still is relatively the same. The major issue that you seem to ignore is basic 'human rights' [I,C.: the freedom of movement].
Insha'Allah,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 8 months ago
@Rhysz1 first, I'm sure of my numbers.If you prove against that. I will tell you from where I got my numbers. be cause I got it from many sources. Second, why we don't allow women to drive a car. Be cause we protect her of being raped,stolen,victim etc. Imagine a woman driving a car in a dark road or a village or any where that the view is not clear. She has an engine failure. Isn't it easy to do what ever you want with her? If she has been raped, she will feel miserable in the rest of her life.
nicetouch10 8 months ago
@nicetouch10 Uhm, no. You made a claim, I expect you to be able to back that up. When I countered your claims I told you where I got them. Since you made a claim 'the burden of proof' is on you.
I don't want to strawman you too much here but your claim is beyond ludicrous.You (men) protect her from others (men) by denying her freedom of movement? Isn't there any part of you that sees the ridiculous position you're taking? What if YOU are driving down a dark road?
Rhysz1 8 months ago
Cont... The Bottom line is that YOU are making decisions for another human being solely on the base that your bits dangle and her pits don't. I understand that people love to wrap this in the 'we're only protecting her' argument. Tell you what hotshot; YOU'RE NOT.
'If she gets raped' Nonsense, if she decides to run the risk of living life that's up to her NOT YOU. While making your argument you've actually not replied to a single point nor have you made any salient points.
Rhysz1 8 months ago
Cont2...
In fact you've proven the exact underlying point of the video. I must commend you on that sir. I suggest you take a hard long look at your mothers, sisters, friends and think about if it makes them happy being tied to the house all in the name of them preserving their purity. You treat half of your fellow human beings no better than cattle, and this is by your own words.
Kindly,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 8 months ago
PS
Please don't mark his comments as spam, I'm lazy and hate clicking on 'show'. If anything his lunacy should be out there for everyone to see!
Rhysz1 8 months ago
This guy sounds like Harry Enfield.
watch?v=39qdhbkTko4
F1NGER 8 months ago
I'm saudi and I can see that life can still go on without allowing women to drive
.. so stop making this issue looks like the most crucial .. wanna drive ? there are about 200 countries in the world that allows women to drive .. Saudi Arabia is a kingdom .. which means the royal family " owns " the country, so stop making fools out of yourselves
alphamon22 8 months ago
@alphamon22 Right...... Live, ofcourse will go on.
This isn't the most crucial issue, it's the underlying bigotry. "there are about 200 countries in the world that allows women to drive" Good, will they be allowed to leave without permission of their maram. Grats you made me LOFMAOPIMP.
Amused,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 8 months ago
Saw this on PZ Myers blog, Pharyngula. I salute you, Manal, and every other woman around the world whose rights as a human being have been trampled upon. Your courage is a lesson to us all. You're in my thoughts.
BobsOldSocks 8 months ago
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i agree with the saudi's. Women should not be allowed to drive, and cooking and cleaning should be manditory, and you should be allowed to beat them (if they mis behave)
jeffbriggs1987 8 months ago
@jeffbriggs1987
About this comment. Message to everybody else:
Please don't feed the Trolls
clouddragontv 8 months ago
@clouddragontv just block him, I warned you what consequences e-fame brings^^
Regards,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 8 months ago
I think the picture at 3:55 of the little kid driving the 2 adult females to the hospital says it all.
How can you take a culture/faith seriously when they are so backwards/immoral?
doc7474 8 months ago
@doc7474
I think that's my favorite drawing of the lot!
And the saddest of course.
clouddragontv 8 months ago
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@doc7474 Exactly! It's about backward minds! I support the right of Saudi women to drive. The USA where I live is also the victim of religious zealots desperate to impose their definition of religion on all Americans. This is backward thought just as banning Saudi women from driving. No nation moves forward which allows itself to be governed by backward minds!
As-Salaam-Alaikum from Phoenix, Arizona
chkjns 8 months ago
@chkjns Aleikum salaam. Your point, however fair, isn't being argued in this video. I'm intrigued to hear your further thoughts.
Regards,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 8 months ago
Saudi Arabia only represent 2.5% of the worlds Muslim population but have become the poster child for all Muslims in the media.
Fuck the Zionist media and fuck Saudi Arabia
morelibations 8 months ago
@morelibations What the hell are you talking about? KSA has been an ally of the USA for decades now. If anything they're getting a free pass on what is basically a theocratic dictatorship and without a doubt one of the most repressive regimes in the world, especially towards women. You might want to read up a bit more and I don't mean 'Salafi Daily'
Regards,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 8 months ago
this isnt as much female rights as much as it is racisest and offensive to arabic people
ieetmelon 8 months ago
@ieetmelon
No it isn't, your statement is weak, erroneous and pettish.
Moreover, you make this fallacious assumption because you can not, or do not want to, address the lack of women's rights in one specific country.
clouddragontv 8 months ago 3
@ieetmelon If it is the actual reasoning of a Saudi cleric talking about a well-known law, then how is it racist or offensive to Arabs? Reality is not prejudiced. If the reality in Saudi Arabia is this bad and the reasoning of Saudi clerics is as warped and misogynistic as it is in this video, then pointing it out is not racist or offensive. If Arabs are unhappy with this reality then they should work they should set about changing it.
lewisejackson 8 months ago
@ieetmelon Why is it every time someone has criticism of law implemented by man (in this case by the muslim faith, and I use that loosely) people like you immediately scream racism, islamophobia, etc.? If you find a cartoon like this offensive I suggest you turn on your netnanny for your own protection.
Regards,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 8 months ago
I hate when 3 minutes are dragged on for 9
funincluded 8 months ago
A very funny video with a very serious message. To be an adult and yet not be treated like one must be incredibly frustrating. I've no doubt that Saudi Arabia will change for the better one day, though. The question is when.
LunchAnderson 8 months ago
Grats at getting Featured on Pharyngula sis, I hope I made a small contribution into getting the message out.
Huggs'nStuff,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 9 months ago 6
@Rhysz1
Thank you! It's brilliant! :)
clouddragontv 9 months ago 2
is there anything in the film about why people can't embed? that's just as stupid
hetpitje 9 months ago
@hetpitje
Many people have embed this video so I think the problem must be at your side.
clouddragontv 9 months ago
@hetpitje Try ticking the box "old embed style" or something like that. Many websites only accept embeds under that form.
hpqphpqp 9 months ago
Islam makes me sick. So does Christianity for that matter,... and all other religions.
DevonHartigan 9 months ago
Superb video & favorited for the word belly-bar. :-) Love to see more of your video's.
LeafHuntress 9 months ago
@LeafHuntress 'Belly-bar' was mine, Cloudy stole it!
Regards,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 8 months ago
creative way to express thoughts.
fridaynightmares 9 months ago
As someone who's been to the middle east (not Saudi Arabia, specifically) several times I can say that the comments on how permissive they are, shouldn't really be doubted.
Seat belts?
No one uses those!
Traffic rules?
You may need to learn a few to pass the test for a driving license, but you can forget all about them when you're actually on the road.
If a monkey drove, no one would notice. He'd not drive any worse than the usual Saudi driver...
ZarlanTheGreen 9 months ago 3
I really like the video, congratulations!. It shows properly and in a fanny way this sad situation. I'll recommend to my folks.
GemaCatHeart 9 months ago
Great video.
AtheistAussie 9 months ago
@AtheistAussie Hands of Aussie, that's my sister, as her maram I must protect her!
Regards,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 8 months ago
No comment
........... Crying
Nocomment2001 9 months ago
my pleasure !
fodi86 9 months ago
You know I have to say, I couldn't find any tolerance for Islam and that did give me pause to wonder if I was being fair.
But now that I see that Islam really does make sense about certain things maybe I shouldn't be so harsh to judge them...Ah what, I missed what point again ?
'tehehehe'
Curas1 9 months ago
Dear Saudi Women,
We're here to serve, sisters. Let us round up fifteen thousand of the baddest bitches we got over here and drop them off in downtown Riyadh.
We'll see who's "allowed" to drive then.
Much Love, Lady Liberty
zEropoint68 9 months ago
If Saudi women were allowed to drive, they would leave the country.
panterguy 9 months ago 16
@panterguy
No they wouldn't. They can't. No woman is allowed to travel without the written, signed permission of her male ''guardian'' (aka owner) Al women are under ownership of some man. if they really have no male family they are owned by the state. Only the owner can give permission for a woman to leave the country.
When a woman is leaving the country the owner also gets a text message, so if he changes his mind he can stop her.
clouddragontv 9 months ago 8
@clouddragontv As your maram, I approve of this policy.
Regards,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 9 months ago
@clouddragontv You take ignorance to a whole new level.
Saberoith 8 months ago
@Saberoith
Thank you for sharing
clouddragontv 8 months ago
this is Awesome, u r da best. insha'Allah we'll drive soon.
TheMno0 9 months ago
@TheMno0 Thank you. I hope Saudi women will get their rights recognized soon!
clouddragontv 9 months ago
good vid, good drawings but i think it was a bit too long for me.
trekkie108 9 months ago
Given this a lot of thought. Things aren't always black and white and issues like this are often more nuanced than videos like this make them appear to be. With that said, I can sum up my position by saying: Saudi men are fucking crazy insecure assholes with what one can only assume are SUPER small penises
ryguy331986 9 months ago 2
@ryguy331986 I wouldn't make that sweeping a statement. However, I must agree that I see no sense in this law.
Regards,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 9 months ago
@Rhysz1 Ya, I think the best thing you can do with people who are unreasonable is make fun of their positions. People are stubborn and normally wont change their minds. But if you point out the absurdity of their positions, they might come off them a bit.
ryguy331986 9 months ago
@ryguy331986 Well 'comedy' does mean 'the laugh in the tear'. Observational comedy especially confronts us with the absurdity of reality, IMhO Cloudy's cartoon is no different. Conversely this is why the more close-minded don't get humour very often.
Regards,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 8 months ago
All religions are stupid and anyone who believes the crap taught by religions is stupid as well, this video is illustrative of the stupidity of Islam for example.
bobster451 9 months ago 2
@bobster451 Actually, there is nothing in Islam which forbids women to drive their own transport. On the contrary, the hadith tell of women riding camels, donkeys and horses, riding into battle, etc. So you can argue it is against sunnah to forbid women to drive their own transport.
clouddragontv 9 months ago
@clouddragontv This is the kind of comment I hate to see from atheists. (sweeping accusation + broad assumption = win). CDTV is focusing in on a very specific issue here but that seems to be lost on Bobster.
Regards,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 9 months ago
@clouddragontv Please reread my original statement.
I stand by it.
And I am free of calling out just Islam, It is an inclusive position on ALL religions.
(And thanks for posting this video, It was an excellent job)
bobster451 9 months ago
@bobster451 Religion has nothing to do with this driving prohibition. if it did the Saudi women would be screwed. if people keep harping on it Saudi women will be screwed. Saudi Arabia is a theocracy, it is ruled by a royal family and religious elite.
It is known that women did drive their own transport in the time of the prophet there is a religious proof that women can drive their own transport in this time. For this instance religion supports the right thing to do.
Let's keep it at that.
clouddragontv 9 months ago
@clouddragontv You state that, "Saudi Arabia is a theocracy, it is ruled by a royal family and religious elite".
Last time I checked a theocracy I was returned this definition:
"a system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god."
Again, reread my original post. I still maintain that it is accurate.
bobster451 9 months ago
@bobster451 Last time I checked a theocracy I was returned this definition:
"a system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god."
Simple wiki search: "Theocracy is a form of government in which a state is understood as governed by immediate divine guidance especially a state ruled by clergy, or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided."
Rhysz1 9 months ago
Dude, come on you can surely do better. You clearly have no understanding of politics, religion ore even the point of this video. Can you actually state a salient point? I'd love to hear it. I maintain that your original opinion is still a load of nonsense!
Insha'allah,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 9 months ago
@Rhysz1 I cool with your disagreement.
I still contend that the prohibition on women driving is another interpretation of scripture akin to the divide of different sects of christianity, i.e. Catholic, Methodist, Presbyterian, Mormon, etc.
But one thing is certain and that is that this prohibition of women driving is based on religion.
And there is no offense intended in my comments.
bobster451 9 months ago
@clouddragontv ignorance feeds ignorance. it never says anything in the bible to express moral superority towards others, does it?
93alvbjo 9 months ago
@93alvbjo
Huh? The bible? What bible? What has the bible to do with women's right to drive cars? No religion forbids women to drive cars.
Unless it's a really newly invented one.
clouddragontv 9 months ago
@93alvbjo It does.
Read the part in the old testament where it states how to treat your slaves and how to mark them as such.
This qualifies as owning another person or as you put it, "superority towards others."
bobster451 9 months ago
@bobster451 I'm not quite sure that's quite what he meant. However the entire construction of religion breeds a sense of superiority to those of no faith or even no faith. The simplest example that comes to mind is the NT's promise of heaven and the punishment of the rest. I won't even go Hitchens here and say that religion is our first attempt at philosophy, it's an evolution of our tribalism. in-group = good, out-group = bad.
Regards,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 8 months ago
I was expecting one of thos videos that show a North American woman failing at parallel parking or something... Such a buzz kill, lol. Good video though, this was one aspect of oppression in Saudi Arabia that I wasn't yet aware of to be honest.
Lennac 9 months ago
@Lennac You can see by the draconian punishments meeted out that this is a big thing in Saudi Arabia.
clouddragontv 9 months ago
14 arabic men dislike this video.
Mitche23 9 months ago
@Mitche23
LOL! I am surprised it's only 14!
clouddragontv 9 months ago
the western world discriminate men, the middle east dicriminate women
ThePeacefulAtheistt 9 months ago
@ThePeacefulAtheistt Actually the west still discriminates against women, only way less. And are you saying that anything in worldwide discrimination equals the actual slavery imposed on 50% of Saudi's inhabitants?
clouddragontv 9 months ago 5
@clouddragontv women are still discriminated in the western world, but men are more (army, war, divorce, jail, job, rape...) and the most people don't really care about sexism against men
ThePeacefulAtheistt 9 months ago
@ThePeacefulAtheistt yes males are an oppressed minority in the west... LOL.
DazedNC0nfuzed 9 months ago
@DazedNC0nfuzed sometimes there are females discriminared and sometimes they are males discriminated, but males are more(job, army, police, divorce, prison time...)
ThePeacefulAtheistt 9 months ago
@ThePeacefulAtheistt That is not an example of male discrimination, that is an example of men behaving against set rules/laws. Discrimination is like saying "You're a woman, therefore it is illegal to do these perfectly OK things that you can do, but we won't let you". Women have been on the wrong end of the discriminative stick for as long as people remember (Women? In Parliament? HOW DARE YOU! etc etc.)
BlackstreamRadio 9 months ago
@BlackstreamRadio example: You are a male, you don't have an equal chance to get your kid by a divorce.
ThePeacefulAtheistt 9 months ago
@ThePeacefulAtheistt So sad that US courts both favor the primary caregiver when deciding custody for dependent children, and still subscribe to outdated gender stereotypes that say women are the more nurturing and caring of the sexes.
whatthehellpeople 8 months ago
@whatthehellpeople
It's funny because MRAs try and use this argument to their advantage, without fucking thinking of course. It's like "Why, YES, stereotypes -are- a bad thing, Mr poor oppressed white guy, it's kinda what we've been trying to tell you". It's like they forgot which gender imposed these practices in the first place. Also "baww women get free drinks in bars". O wow, I'd trade that beer with being treated as an equal human being any day. Patriarchies hurt everyone.
hamneggwich 8 months ago 2
@ThePeacefulAtheistt If shit bugs you:
1) be a stay-at-home dad.
2) support feminism and equality for the sexes.
3) stop shoehorning your favorite rant about how the west's history of forcing women into a much lesser and different role than men has lead to a modern-day inequality in custody decisions ***in forums devoted to other countries denying *their* women even /self-agency/***, and SHUT YOUR GODDAMN YAP.
whatthehellpeople 8 months ago
@whatthehellpeople Feminism is against gender equality, if feminism was about equality, why are the most feminist hate men? I am for gender equality, I know that women are discriminated and men are discriminated
ThePeacefulAtheistt 8 months ago
@ThePeacefulAtheistt
You clearly don't understand that feminism is about human rights. The right of bodily integrity, the right to vote, the right to learn, the right to own property, the right to be protected against violence, abuse, sexual harassment and rape, the right to get medical assistance, equal pay for equal work, the right of equality to men, the right to be protected against gender-specific discrimination
And the right to drive a car
clouddragontv 8 months ago 4
@clouddragontv I support that, I am against the feminism that says men are not discriminated, ban porn ( speacily that one), we how no sexuality, men are pigs, men should have less rights...
I know that not all feminist support this ideas, but the mayority support some of them
ThePeacefulAtheistt 8 months ago
@ThePeacefulAtheistt
What bullshit.
hamneggwich 8 months ago
@ThePeacefulAtheistt
You're an idiot if you think feminism is against equality.
whatthehellpeople 8 months ago
@whatthehellpeople feminist ideolody: female < male (not always)
ThePeacefulAtheistt 8 months ago
@ThePeacefulAtheistt You have no understanding of feminism, AND you don't know how to use a greater-than sign. Things are not looking up for your argument.
whatthehellpeople 8 months ago
@ThePeacefulAtheistt Oh, I get it, you're playing the victim card. I love it how you're really a one-note troll. May I suggest you join True Forced Loneliness (TFL) or MRA (Men's Rights Advocates) They'd happily take you in and would give me a nice shot at making another video.
Regards,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 8 months ago
@whatthehellpeople Well, it's not about equality per se, you can't deny that differences must be made on a biological basis. To me the most important thing about feminism is to provide a more even playing field, one that, to this day, still favors men. Nver let Cloudy see this she'll slaughter me.
Regards,
Rhysz
Rhysz1 8 months ago
actually, there are more valid reasons why women shouldn't drive :) but whatever reason Saudis give for banning women for driving is pure BS
trizniak 9 months ago
@trizniak I know of no valid reason Why women should not drive. Please enlighten us what they are.
clouddragontv 9 months ago 4
@clouddragontv youtube.com/watch?v=5rqWUlGw31I, youtube.com/watch?v=uvJxqwJzIxs
(I was just kidding, btw - there is NO reason whatsoever for bannning women from driving)
trizniak 9 months ago
@trizniak Wait... WHAT? Give a valid reason... if you are serious back that up. Women tend to be more cautious and safer drivers with better driving records and fewer accidents than men.
Please...please explain this utter bullshit comment.
devchelle2 9 months ago
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@devchelle2 youtube.com/watch?v=5rqWUlGw31I, youtube.com/watch?v=uvJxqwJzIxs
(I was just kidding, btw - there is NO reason whatsoever for bannning women from driving)
trizniak 9 months ago
@trizniak
Hardy har har har. Gee, one misogynist thinks their reasons are more valid than the reasons of the other misogynists. Wonderful. Your reasons are just as much BS as theirs. Until you see that, you are to be pitied.
kauzmic1 9 months ago
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@kauzmic1 youtube.com/watch?v=5rqWUlGw31I, youtube.com/watch?v=uvJxqwJzIxs
(I was just kidding, btw - there is NO reason whatsoever for bannning women from driving)
trizniak 9 months ago
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@trizniak "actually, there are more valid reasons why women shouldn't drive"
Then name us some.
whatthehellpeople 8 months ago
not allowing women to drive is so obviously a lack of saudi men "contradiction of terms i know" self confidence. all saudi men are good for is going to bahrain and paying russians to prove their manhood. great video.
dv8q8 9 months ago
@dv8q8 Thank you!
clouddragontv 9 months ago
ماعمري رديت رد فيه تهجم
لكن ودي استخدم كلمات مثل حقاره و تواطئ وحيونه.
ليش الفيديو مب بالعربي؟
عمل حقير جدا ... مع اني داعم لقيادة المرأة
sas3sas 9 months ago
ههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههه
ههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههه
ههههههههههههههههههههههههه
ياحليـــلكم يا اليبرل ،، الله يا إنكم عايشيــن في تهيئااااات
أجـــــــــــل مســـوين مقاطــع تبـــــون العالم يتعاطف مع قضيتكم يعنــي هههههههههههههههههههههههههه
أنــــا عنـــدي اقتــراح ... صورو بنت ميــتـه , و ماسكـــه في يدها دركســـون
واكتبــو تحتــها ،،، كانت تبـــي تســـوق
و ارســـلوها للهيومن رايتس ,, يمكن اوباما يشوفهاو يتأثر
ههههههههههههههه اسمحــــو لي،، سذاجتـــكم هنــــديه
zahrmm0o 9 months ago
@zahrmm0o One tip for you: Google Saudi traffic accident, and you will find out that Saudi has the worst level of accidents in the world. And it's the only country where only men can drive....
Guess what that means. }:)
AafkeArt 9 months ago
@AafkeArt ويــن ما وديــت عيني في ردك ,, القى ســذاجــه
ابتــداء" من اللغــه الي ما ادري على أي أساس اخترتي تخاطبيني فيها رغم انك تقـرين عربي
عــلى بالكـ كاشخــه الحيــن
ثانيا من تحــليلك لسبب ارتفاع نسبة الحــوادث عنـدنا ،، يعنــي بكــل بســاطه تتوقعــين ان المرأه اذا ساقت بتقــل الحوادث
أأنا مدري شلون تقــل نسبة الحوادث بزيادة عــدد السيــارات
ليبــــرل ،،، خليــكم واقعيين
بلاشي تبيعــو أوهـــام
zahrmm0o 9 months ago
@zahrmm0o
Or more sensibly they could introduce and enfore reasonable driving laws, that apply across the genders and that you can't buy yourself out of.
MyPablohoney 9 months ago
Simply it's an amazing video :D :D
taaaamer1 9 months ago 2
@taaaamer1
Thank you!
please rate!
clouddragontv 9 months ago
@clouddragontv
You are welcome :D
Saudi women will drive soon Inshaa'Allah, So don't give up :) :)
taaaamer1 9 months ago
WOW.. what an amazing effort.. very impressive..
keep up the good work..
its a serious matter that has been breaking our hearts..
but you managed to shed light on it in a sarcastic way.. you made me smile :)
CupcakeAvenue 9 months ago 13
@CupcakeAvenue
Thank you for your nice comment
clouddragontv 9 months ago
Who did this crap ?
AvengerArts 9 months ago
@AvengerArts
And who wrote this crap? A Saudi male no doubt. So what's your problem? Afraid your sister might get to drive the car?
Life sucks doesn't it? Try to take it like a man.
If you are a man...
clouddragontv 9 months ago 18
@clouddragontv I`m a man ! and I`m taking care of my sister very well :). What about your sister ? is she happy with her new boyfriend ? ;)
AvengerArts 9 months ago
@AvengerArts She's probably as happy as your sister is with the driver ;)
alshimaliah 9 months ago 2
@alshimaliah LOL!!! Excellent come back! Thank you!
clouddragontv 9 months ago
Manal has been released.
For now.
clouddragontv 9 months ago 3
2 Saudi men watched this vid
Great video, I'll sign the petition this minute
giliellthesecond 9 months ago 3