The exact same thing...same illness, length of time in coma and quick full recovery happenned to me in may. He does his best to describe the experience, its one of those things you have to experience it to fully know, my experience in my coma was something so awesome, it wasnt my mind because that had gone.. i couldnt understand the world around me.. half hour later im in an induced coma where i had the most detailed and enriching experiences and yes love was the dominant theme
I await further data........The data is in already in. Tons of it, not just NDE data. For materialism to be correct , so much more would also have to be debunked, including telepathy etc. The odds are staggering.
Aware will produce very interesting and unexplainable results,I'm sure... but the dinosaurs that rule Academia and dish out the grants will never abandon materialism . Their whole past careers would mean nothing to them if they did and I can sypathise with that, of course.
Sorry, my cell phone PM'ed this instead of posting it as a reply here:
Parnia himself suspects the Aware study will only show that these experiences are an illusion.
I can't believe you think telepathy is real.
And there you go with conspiracy theories again about how scientists keep a lid on this. Why? Their current research still leads to better surgery, inventions, etc. so that wouldn't ever be meaningless and proving a soul would make them famous.
@wimsweden Which came first, the thought / idea of how to create all that exists.... or all that is ?
Why don't you go and speak to some of the guys and gals in this vid. Take them a brain in a jar and point out to them which areas their journey was taken. They won't accept it, in fact they will get angry with you.
When you see yourself in OBE , you know you have seen your yourself. You don't need a young brain pathologist to start pointing to the angular gyrus.
continued. They teamed up because they basically hold the same view. Would you mind telling me what research you have read that has persuaded you that the the OBE is an illusion ? I'm curious because I guarantee you there isn't any. The last attempt at this was by Olaf Blanke with a video camera filming the back of the sitters head. Pure comedy. No different from watching yourself on TV.
Please no Sue Blackmore, Gabbart and Twemlow, Gerald Woerlee etc
I find dualism or the concept of the supernatural incoherent from the get-go. Even if the mind and brain are somehow two separate entities with the mind somehow being able to exist independently, there should still be a mechanism according to which this mind operates and a substance it is made of. There is nothing that warrants postulating some sort of immaterial soul when a natural explanation is much more plausible. I await further data before invoking a radical notion like a soul.
@wimsweden Thanks for replying. There is no such thing as supernatural. Supernatural is the undiscovered -soon -to -be- natural. What does a thought look like ? How can one cell think ? It can't obviously so how can a billion cells ' think 'just because they are connected ?
There is clearly some form of matter we are not yet able to see or measure. This is not difficult to accept.
One cannot see all sorts of things but they are there. The mechanism remains unknown for now.
veridical observations have occured may times I'm sure you know the cases. Sceptics simply keep ignoring them. Even with hits in aware, some sceptical critics are not going to accept the outcome. They are already creating their sceptical objections. They don't want to abandon treausured theories about how the world works. They are not open minded truth seekers but closed minded biased individuals with pre-set agendas. Look at their absurd attempted debunking of the Pam Reynolds case.
"They are not open minded truth seekers but closed minded biased individuals with pre-set agendas."
You're beginning to sound like a conspiracy theorist. Researchers like Dr. Parnia think the NDE is limited to the brain, but if he were to discover that some sort of entity actually leaves the body, that would give him instant fame and a certain Nobel prize.
Again, if the Parnia study gives consistent reports of accurate image identification, then you'll have a case.
@wimsweden Parnia thinks no such thing. He maintains an open mind about it while admitting that veridical OBE observations from patients in cardiac arrest cannot be explained by psychological conjectural theories.
Kindly don't try to portray me as a nutter, there is no conspiracy as such but what there is -is a great body of evidence which has been ignored. If you haven't read the research though, I guess you won't be aware ( no pun intended )
"Parnia thinks no such thing." Parnia says he tries to be as unbiased as possible and stated during a talk (available at vimeo . com / 11302423) that "I don't have an answer" to whether the mind is something separate from the brain, he did express his own opinions during that same talk, however.
If you go to the 47:15 mark in that video, he states the following opinion regarding the AWARE study with the hidden targets:
“If on the other hand [the out of body experience] is just an illusion, it’s a trick of the mind, which it may well be, and I suspect it will turn out to be, then we’d expect no one to be able to see those pictures.”
@wimsweden It's okay, I 'm not having a go at you. I've seen the video at Goldsmiths three times I know what he says but he cannot say anything else there, as he is in the presence of 'academia.' Chris French was there etc and ( Parnia ) as the conductor of Aware has to be scrupulously unbiased. Parnia knows there is much more to these veridical observations than psychological reconstructions based on tactile information and hearing etc and I might add so do some others.
He was expressing his own opinion, i.e. that the out of body experience is probably just an illusion. If he had to be "unscrupulously unbiased", he didn't have to include "and I suspect it will turn out to be [an illusion]". If he only included that phrase because he somehow wanted to save face in front of his peers, he could have just as easily left it out and reiterated that he wants to remain as unbiased as possible.
@wimsweden Not so, I'm afraid. I've read every paper, interview and book that Parnia has written. At the conclusion of Parnia Waller Yeates and Fenwick's study in 2001 Parnia actually suggested that this was evidence of life after death. This was reported in the press but Parnia realised he had gone too far too quickly and never said as much again. Peter Fenwick is a highly regarded Neuro psychiatrist who believes ( after careful examination ) the NDE is a real separation of mind and brain
Of course, it couldn't be happening OUTSIDE the brain, could it. If you study near death experience properly, looking for answers in the traditional way doesn't come close to explaining it. It's so incredibly presumptous to think that a dying brain in the peroid of about 10 to 20 seconds would or could provide such a complex experience to convince itself that it hasn't died. What reason does the brain have for wanting to do this ? It's not evolutionary.
"looking for answers in the traditional way doesn't come close to explaining it."
That is what you contend. Even if the "traditional way" (I guess you mean the scientific method) is not fully explaining nde's yet, that doesn't suddenly mean another explanation is true. But you made me curious, what alternative "untraditional" method offers a strong explanation of nde's based on rigorous and repeatable study and evidence?
@wimsweden Hi, first of all, you must read the literature. At least four major studies ( Sabom, Morse, Van lommel, Parnia and Fenwick have found no scientific explanation for NDE's. They remain inexplicable. Not one sceptical objector has put forward a satisfactory plausible theory. All of the experience needs to be dealt with not just fragments with a small overlap. Please, no DMT after 10 seconds in cardiac arrest the brain is down. Sceptics haven't a clue.
"have found no scientific explanation for NDE's." The lack of a natural explanation, doesn't suddenly make the supernatural claim true, though. This research is pretty young compared to other parts of the sciences, so you have to give it time, especially with something as complex as the brain.
@wimsweden These French doctors are going back over old ground. Every possible type of brain pathology has already been scrutinized. Note how they make their case...this bit here does this, that bit under the occipital lobe is responsible for that....stick it all together and there's your NDE. But NDE's often occur when the brain isn't working properly. People see themselves during cardiac arrest ( Yes I know sceptical materialists refute that statement but that is their business.
"These French doctors" They are not French, they are Belgian.
"Going back over old ground." You base what they are doing on this one short video? It's research in progress.
"People see themselves during cardiac arrest." That's what Dr. Parnia's AWARE study is for with images high up in hospital rooms to see if there are consistent reports of people seeing these images or whether the "out-of-body" feeling is just in the brain (which can be induced artificially).
NDE's have a definite order of phenomena ( Greyson scale ) . If it was purely different areas of the brain firing off then one would expect that the order would be different every time. Sceptics completely ignore many legitimate aspects of the experience because they can't even begin to make a case for how someone can see what is happening down the hall or can gain information paranormally. I believe that science is going to get a big shake up in the next twenty years.
"I believe that science is going to get a big shake up in the next twenty years."
Natural explanations have always replaced supernatural ones. I don't see why it would be any different in this case. Again, it's still a fairly young domain regarding a very complicated subject matter. If we're both still around in 20 years, I'll talk to you then. :-)
@wimsweden Belgium, thanks, you are a good sport. Actually this research has been going on for over thirty years and the reason why science can't find an answer is because they are inexplicable by brain pathology. After 10 seconds of cardiac arrest there is no brain pathology to produce anything, certainly not the highly complex and lucid thought processes that characterise the NDE. Janice minor Holden has 100 verical NDE's. The angular gyrus just doesn't cut it. best Regards
"this research has been going on for over 30 years" That's pretty recent and I'm pretty certain you'll agree that many of the early studies were probably very shoddy. I like the current Parnia study with the images high up in hospital rooms facing the ceiling. There could still be some individual nurse going up to have a sneak peek and that info could then get to a patient, but if there are consistent reports of hundreds or even thousdands of nde people identifying these images... :)
@wimsweden Thanks. None of the studies I quoted you were shoddy. All very good peer reviewed. The aware study is only a pilot. There actually may not be any hit's at all because of the methodology (disembodied consciousness observes what it is most interested in, not necessarily pictures on a shelf ) but ALL veridical observations will be considered as to their accuracy so we can still see if the dead do indeed have eyes on stalks. Regards.
Anyway, to take out any subjectivity, false memories, biases, etc. on the part of the patient or the people working on the patient, some hospitals have started putting up images high up in emergency rooms that are only visible if a person actually leaves their body and looks down at the scene. If no consistent reports come in of patients seeing these images, the case becomes stronger that this is something that is solely happening in the brain. Let's wait and see. :-)
It's called the AWARE study. The lead researcher is Dr. Sam Parnia from the University of Southampton. He explains the study in the following VIMEO video at around the 46:40 mark:
I think no brain activity can be *measured" a short period after cardiac arrest. That's different from what you're saying.
"How do you suppose people were able to see rescuers doing CPR if their brain activity is halted?" This presupposes that any of the NDE experience occurred during full brain inactivity and not before or after.
@wimsweden....yes it does, about 20 seconds, look it up. These people say they see themselves being worked on from the moment they flat line to when they are revived. They report what is being said the entire time, what the rescuers look like, what they did during the process.
They certainly would not be doing CPR on someone with a heartbeat.
"yes it does, about 20 seconds, look it up." Oh, I did. I find different instances where your claim is said to be incorrect. Rather, *consciousness* is lost after about 20 sec, not brain acitivity as a whole. All brain activity is thought to stop after a few minutes (3-4 minutes apparently).
"These people say they see themselves being worked on from the moment they flat line to when they are revived." Oh, and human memory is never wrong and never plays tricks on us, of course.
"It does after 20 seconds." Re-asserting you initial claim, doesn't suddenly make it more true. Please provide a credible source, preferably from e.g. PubMed, that states that all brain activity ceases after 20 seconds.
"Wanting the NDE to be false and trying to prove it is false, will not make it false." Who said NDE's are false? The experiences obviously happen, it's the different explanations for them that have to be investigated for credible mechanisms, possible biases, etc.
I don't know if they did. Since the hypothesis of the Liège research is that the basic subjective experiences (tunnel of light, out-of-body experience, feeling of happiness) all relate to specific neural processes during dying, I would assume they think those basics should remain the same across cultures.
The exact same thing...same illness, length of time in coma and quick full recovery happenned to me in may. He does his best to describe the experience, its one of those things you have to experience it to fully know, my experience in my coma was something so awesome, it wasnt my mind because that had gone.. i couldnt understand the world around me.. half hour later im in an induced coma where i had the most detailed and enriching experiences and yes love was the dominant theme
trustmate 4 months ago
@trustmate
Hi, that's sounds fascinating. I would love to hear more of your experience if you would care to share it. I am a
what's termed as a 'believer ' ..that is I actually think mind and brain are separate. regards
bunflinger 4 months ago
@trustmate
Hi, that's sounds fascinating. I would love to hear more of your experience if you would care to share it. I am
what's termed as a 'believer ' ..that is I actually think mind and brain are separate. regards
bunflinger 4 months ago
...and thanks for the debate ( read the literature )
93hamm 7 months ago
I await further data........The data is in already in. Tons of it, not just NDE data. For materialism to be correct , so much more would also have to be debunked, including telepathy etc. The odds are staggering.
Aware will produce very interesting and unexplainable results,I'm sure... but the dinosaurs that rule Academia and dish out the grants will never abandon materialism . Their whole past careers would mean nothing to them if they did and I can sypathise with that, of course.
93hamm 7 months ago
@93hamm
Sorry, my cell phone PM'ed this instead of posting it as a reply here:
Parnia himself suspects the Aware study will only show that these experiences are an illusion.
I can't believe you think telepathy is real.
And there you go with conspiracy theories again about how scientists keep a lid on this. Why? Their current research still leads to better surgery, inventions, etc. so that wouldn't ever be meaningless and proving a soul would make them famous.
wimsweden 7 months ago
@wimsweden Why wouldn't I think telepathy is real if I think mind and brain can separate ?
We've gone as far we can, so adios
93hamm 7 months ago
@93hamm
"Why wouldn't I think telepathy is real if I think mind and brain can separate ?"
That's putting the cart before the horse, isn't it? Why assume the mind is something that can exist without the brain?
wimsweden 7 months ago
@wimsweden Which came first, the thought / idea of how to create all that exists.... or all that is ?
Why don't you go and speak to some of the guys and gals in this vid. Take them a brain in a jar and point out to them which areas their journey was taken. They won't accept it, in fact they will get angry with you.
When you see yourself in OBE , you know you have seen your yourself. You don't need a young brain pathologist to start pointing to the angular gyrus.
93hamm 7 months ago
@93hamm
"The data is in already in." You must have a very low standard of evidence, but then again, you think telepathy has been demonstrated. 0_o
wimsweden 7 months ago
continued. They teamed up because they basically hold the same view. Would you mind telling me what research you have read that has persuaded you that the the OBE is an illusion ? I'm curious because I guarantee you there isn't any. The last attempt at this was by Olaf Blanke with a video camera filming the back of the sitters head. Pure comedy. No different from watching yourself on TV.
Please no Sue Blackmore, Gabbart and Twemlow, Gerald Woerlee etc
93hamm 7 months ago
@93hamm
I find dualism or the concept of the supernatural incoherent from the get-go. Even if the mind and brain are somehow two separate entities with the mind somehow being able to exist independently, there should still be a mechanism according to which this mind operates and a substance it is made of. There is nothing that warrants postulating some sort of immaterial soul when a natural explanation is much more plausible. I await further data before invoking a radical notion like a soul.
wimsweden 7 months ago
@wimsweden Thanks for replying. There is no such thing as supernatural. Supernatural is the undiscovered -soon -to -be- natural. What does a thought look like ? How can one cell think ? It can't obviously so how can a billion cells ' think 'just because they are connected ?
There is clearly some form of matter we are not yet able to see or measure. This is not difficult to accept.
One cannot see all sorts of things but they are there. The mechanism remains unknown for now.
93hamm 7 months ago
I think we have gone as far as we can on a message board. Thanks for replying to my posts. best wishes.
93hamm 7 months ago
veridical observations have occured may times I'm sure you know the cases. Sceptics simply keep ignoring them. Even with hits in aware, some sceptical critics are not going to accept the outcome. They are already creating their sceptical objections. They don't want to abandon treausured theories about how the world works. They are not open minded truth seekers but closed minded biased individuals with pre-set agendas. Look at their absurd attempted debunking of the Pam Reynolds case.
93hamm 7 months ago
@93hamm
"They are not open minded truth seekers but closed minded biased individuals with pre-set agendas."
You're beginning to sound like a conspiracy theorist. Researchers like Dr. Parnia think the NDE is limited to the brain, but if he were to discover that some sort of entity actually leaves the body, that would give him instant fame and a certain Nobel prize.
Again, if the Parnia study gives consistent reports of accurate image identification, then you'll have a case.
wimsweden 7 months ago
@wimsweden Parnia thinks no such thing. He maintains an open mind about it while admitting that veridical OBE observations from patients in cardiac arrest cannot be explained by psychological conjectural theories.
Kindly don't try to portray me as a nutter, there is no conspiracy as such but what there is -is a great body of evidence which has been ignored. If you haven't read the research though, I guess you won't be aware ( no pun intended )
93hamm 7 months ago
@93hamm
Part 1 of 2
"Parnia thinks no such thing." Parnia says he tries to be as unbiased as possible and stated during a talk (available at vimeo . com / 11302423) that "I don't have an answer" to whether the mind is something separate from the brain, he did express his own opinions during that same talk, however.
If you go to the 47:15 mark in that video, he states the following opinion regarding the AWARE study with the hidden targets:
wimsweden 7 months ago
@93hamm
Part 2 of 2
“If on the other hand [the out of body experience] is just an illusion, it’s a trick of the mind, which it may well be, and I suspect it will turn out to be, then we’d expect no one to be able to see those pictures.”
wimsweden 7 months ago
@93hamm
"Kindly don't try to portray me as a nutter" Sorry :-(
wimsweden 7 months ago
@wimsweden It's okay, I 'm not having a go at you. I've seen the video at Goldsmiths three times I know what he says but he cannot say anything else there, as he is in the presence of 'academia.' Chris French was there etc and ( Parnia ) as the conductor of Aware has to be scrupulously unbiased. Parnia knows there is much more to these veridical observations than psychological reconstructions based on tactile information and hearing etc and I might add so do some others.
93hamm 7 months ago
@93hamm
He was expressing his own opinion, i.e. that the out of body experience is probably just an illusion. If he had to be "unscrupulously unbiased", he didn't have to include "and I suspect it will turn out to be [an illusion]". If he only included that phrase because he somehow wanted to save face in front of his peers, he could have just as easily left it out and reiterated that he wants to remain as unbiased as possible.
wimsweden 7 months ago
@wimsweden Not so, I'm afraid. I've read every paper, interview and book that Parnia has written. At the conclusion of Parnia Waller Yeates and Fenwick's study in 2001 Parnia actually suggested that this was evidence of life after death. This was reported in the press but Parnia realised he had gone too far too quickly and never said as much again. Peter Fenwick is a highly regarded Neuro psychiatrist who believes ( after careful examination ) the NDE is a real separation of mind and brain
93hamm 7 months ago
Of course, it couldn't be happening OUTSIDE the brain, could it. If you study near death experience properly, looking for answers in the traditional way doesn't come close to explaining it. It's so incredibly presumptous to think that a dying brain in the peroid of about 10 to 20 seconds would or could provide such a complex experience to convince itself that it hasn't died. What reason does the brain have for wanting to do this ? It's not evolutionary.
93hamm 7 months ago
@93hamm
"looking for answers in the traditional way doesn't come close to explaining it."
That is what you contend. Even if the "traditional way" (I guess you mean the scientific method) is not fully explaining nde's yet, that doesn't suddenly mean another explanation is true. But you made me curious, what alternative "untraditional" method offers a strong explanation of nde's based on rigorous and repeatable study and evidence?
wimsweden 7 months ago
@wimsweden Hi, first of all, you must read the literature. At least four major studies ( Sabom, Morse, Van lommel, Parnia and Fenwick have found no scientific explanation for NDE's. They remain inexplicable. Not one sceptical objector has put forward a satisfactory plausible theory. All of the experience needs to be dealt with not just fragments with a small overlap. Please, no DMT after 10 seconds in cardiac arrest the brain is down. Sceptics haven't a clue.
93hamm 7 months ago
@93hamm
"have found no scientific explanation for NDE's." The lack of a natural explanation, doesn't suddenly make the supernatural claim true, though. This research is pretty young compared to other parts of the sciences, so you have to give it time, especially with something as complex as the brain.
wimsweden 7 months ago
@wimsweden These French doctors are going back over old ground. Every possible type of brain pathology has already been scrutinized. Note how they make their case...this bit here does this, that bit under the occipital lobe is responsible for that....stick it all together and there's your NDE. But NDE's often occur when the brain isn't working properly. People see themselves during cardiac arrest ( Yes I know sceptical materialists refute that statement but that is their business.
93hamm 7 months ago
@93hamm
"These French doctors" They are not French, they are Belgian.
"Going back over old ground." You base what they are doing on this one short video? It's research in progress.
"People see themselves during cardiac arrest." That's what Dr. Parnia's AWARE study is for with images high up in hospital rooms to see if there are consistent reports of people seeing these images or whether the "out-of-body" feeling is just in the brain (which can be induced artificially).
wimsweden 7 months ago
NDE's have a definite order of phenomena ( Greyson scale ) . If it was purely different areas of the brain firing off then one would expect that the order would be different every time. Sceptics completely ignore many legitimate aspects of the experience because they can't even begin to make a case for how someone can see what is happening down the hall or can gain information paranormally. I believe that science is going to get a big shake up in the next twenty years.
93hamm 7 months ago
@93hamm
"I believe that science is going to get a big shake up in the next twenty years."
Natural explanations have always replaced supernatural ones. I don't see why it would be any different in this case. Again, it's still a fairly young domain regarding a very complicated subject matter. If we're both still around in 20 years, I'll talk to you then. :-)
wimsweden 7 months ago
@wimsweden Belgium, thanks, you are a good sport. Actually this research has been going on for over thirty years and the reason why science can't find an answer is because they are inexplicable by brain pathology. After 10 seconds of cardiac arrest there is no brain pathology to produce anything, certainly not the highly complex and lucid thought processes that characterise the NDE. Janice minor Holden has 100 verical NDE's. The angular gyrus just doesn't cut it. best Regards
93hamm 7 months ago
@93hamm
"this research has been going on for over 30 years" That's pretty recent and I'm pretty certain you'll agree that many of the early studies were probably very shoddy. I like the current Parnia study with the images high up in hospital rooms facing the ceiling. There could still be some individual nurse going up to have a sneak peek and that info could then get to a patient, but if there are consistent reports of hundreds or even thousdands of nde people identifying these images... :)
wimsweden 7 months ago
@wimsweden Thanks. None of the studies I quoted you were shoddy. All very good peer reviewed. The aware study is only a pilot. There actually may not be any hit's at all because of the methodology (disembodied consciousness observes what it is most interested in, not necessarily pictures on a shelf ) but ALL veridical observations will be considered as to their accuracy so we can still see if the dead do indeed have eyes on stalks. Regards.
93hamm 7 months ago
I seriously can't understand that your channels videos doesn't have more views :/
Feldegast92 9 months ago
@Feldegast92
Time is on my side. :P
wimsweden 9 months ago
Thanks for sharing this video!
slumpighet 9 months ago
@slumpighet
Thanks. Be sure to also visit the site of the original video (in below bar). The people at the University of Liège are doing the actual work. :-)
wimsweden 9 months ago
@wetweasel56
Anyway, to take out any subjectivity, false memories, biases, etc. on the part of the patient or the people working on the patient, some hospitals have started putting up images high up in emergency rooms that are only visible if a person actually leaves their body and looks down at the scene. If no consistent reports come in of patients seeing these images, the case becomes stronger that this is something that is solely happening in the brain. Let's wait and see. :-)
wimsweden 9 months ago
@wimsweden
Where can I find more info on that?
middleman777 8 months ago
@middleman777
It's called the AWARE study. The lead researcher is Dr. Sam Parnia from the University of Southampton. He explains the study in the following VIMEO video at around the 46:40 mark:
vimeo . com / 11302423 (remove spaces)
wimsweden 8 months ago
They failed to mention that the all brain activity ends 20 seconds after the heart stops beating.
How do you suppose people were able to see rescuers doing CPR if their brain activity is halted?
wetweasel56 9 months ago
@wetweasel56
I think no brain activity can be *measured" a short period after cardiac arrest. That's different from what you're saying.
"How do you suppose people were able to see rescuers doing CPR if their brain activity is halted?" This presupposes that any of the NDE experience occurred during full brain inactivity and not before or after.
wimsweden 9 months ago
@wimsweden....yes it does, about 20 seconds, look it up. These people say they see themselves being worked on from the moment they flat line to when they are revived. They report what is being said the entire time, what the rescuers look like, what they did during the process.
They certainly would not be doing CPR on someone with a heartbeat.
wetweasel56 9 months ago
@wetweasel56
"yes it does, about 20 seconds, look it up." Oh, I did. I find different instances where your claim is said to be incorrect. Rather, *consciousness* is lost after about 20 sec, not brain acitivity as a whole. All brain activity is thought to stop after a few minutes (3-4 minutes apparently).
"These people say they see themselves being worked on from the moment they flat line to when they are revived." Oh, and human memory is never wrong and never plays tricks on us, of course.
wimsweden 9 months ago
"They certainly would not be doing CPR on someone with a heartbeat."
As mentioned above, not having a heartbeat doesn't mean no brain activity.
wimsweden 9 months ago
@wimsweden... It does after 20 seconds.
Wanting the NDE to be false and trying to prove it is false, will not make it false.
wetweasel56 9 months ago
@wetweasel56
"It does after 20 seconds." Re-asserting you initial claim, doesn't suddenly make it more true. Please provide a credible source, preferably from e.g. PubMed, that states that all brain activity ceases after 20 seconds.
"Wanting the NDE to be false and trying to prove it is false, will not make it false." Who said NDE's are false? The experiences obviously happen, it's the different explanations for them that have to be investigated for credible mechanisms, possible biases, etc.
wimsweden 9 months ago
I would like to see if they can interview people that have a different religious background if they already haven't done so
time2learnnow 9 months ago
@time2learnnow
I don't know if they did. Since the hypothesis of the Liège research is that the basic subjective experiences (tunnel of light, out-of-body experience, feeling of happiness) all relate to specific neural processes during dying, I would assume they think those basics should remain the same across cultures.
wimsweden 9 months ago
@wimsweden Interesting. Thanks
time2learnnow 9 months ago
@time2learnnow yes they have and nde,s are universal they happen in equal number to all people all ages and all religious faiths including athiests
georgejacktheripper 9 months ago