perelman

[scrtg]

@Etrajbe if one cannot explain his work (especially when it doesn't have any practical application) it means this is just a delirium. Period.

[mavra1910]

Perelman is Jewish,,not Russian,,Its hypocrisy to deny Jewish ancestry if Jewish person did something nice

[27122712ful]

@mavra1910 who care about the religion or the nationality!!!!! And if he born in Rusia is Russian, sorry.

[anukaTV2]

@mavra1910 ,,when its not benefits bigots - Kaganovitch,, Trotsky, Lenin etc were ''jews'' DESPITE even they were born in russia and were an atheists,,

but when its benefit the bigots - Perelman is ''russian''

[annaktivist]

@anukaTV2 ,,yes, If Rotschild born in Germany - Rotschild IS GERMAN

[Aerosmissive]

but what about his mom? i heard that she is getting blind , but they don't have money

[the0th]

perelman grew up under socialism. he doesn't care about money.

[liudmilacka]

you'd never understand, only because you are fat american that cares only about dollars...

[alquiora]

2:16 If I blew you .... LOL

[saideljibahi]

Perelman isn't who writes in the blackboard  ...it is another mathematician: Simon Pampena

[flexibleapproach]

JEWISH :D

[Lisa11A]

But turning down a million bucks - that i'll never understand!

LOL that was unny

[firstmaschiach]

ZHENIT' ETOGO MUDAHA

[amorspilar]

i think he is cute.

[otsheylnik]

I can understand it. It is about the work. If the work is right nothing else matters. And he did turn down the milluion. He also has since said it is wrong for him to accept it, because he did find the solution on his own but the work of many scientists before him contributed. The shoulders of giants indeed.

[infantileretard]

Perelman has transcended

[somaking]

Leave Perelman Alone!

[prztomolec]

5:00 - 5:05.Could anywone write what this radioman said.I didn't understand him.

[AGNELLIVS]

"Scientists" are often looking for acceptance - glory and money

[AKviersieben]

let this dude in peace man ... wtf !

[schusterlehrling]

Maybe he just does not want to be a star.

And I guess to him the solving of the problem was blessing enough.

He is no "celebrity" that sheads faked tears for an academy award.

[peti82]

RESPECT for him!

[simonarcher20002]

What's so difficult to understand?

Mathematicians work on the problems for the love of it ... Nothing else ...

I think Pelerman wanted to fight the American style of "buying everything" ... Well, it sounds like the sheer beauty of solving problems cannot ...

[fialkool]

So let's establish another medal in psychology for a person who could understand Perelman's decision to regect 10^6 $.

[tywebbOOOOO]

actually, the clay mathematical institute awarded him the $1,000,000 prize on march 18, 2010.

it is not yet known if he has accepted it.

[akimjjb]

It is now, he refused.

[Blackmaildesigns]

You may be right but there's a story in the news today that says he's thinking it over and that the ceremony is in June.

[chopin7tristesse]

@tywebbOOOOO rejected with a reason: "To put it short, the main reason is my disagreement with the organized mathematical community. I don't like their decisions; I consider them unjust."

[mikeftw0w]

@fialkool

The one who realizes that money isn't that important in forming an intelligent soul and mind is truly a genius.

If he had accepted the $1mil. prize, he would have been ruined.

PS: gimme' my medal now :P

[fialkool]

@mikeftw0w

Sure. I think he is responsible for his results, so that he does not accept mone. He is afraid of time, which can prove his results are wrong.

[mikeftw0w]

@fialkool Hmm. I am pretty much convinced he had resolved the conjuncture. But today's society doesn't help 'broaden-minded' that much. The economic leaders are looking to disinform and delusion us. Look at the ones in the past, for example Tesla. They made his life a ruin, because he simply knew too much.

[fialkool]

@mikeftw0w

I agree that economic leader destroy science making it more applied.

[vjpillay]

@fialkool big deal.how many lottery winners with millions to spend became really rich.overnight and on the road soon.Money is not everything.Has it made any rich man happy.Think of poor in india toil for a dollar a day.If you never had money before your want is always limited.Again has anyone analysed how this money was made in the first place.Remember a famous Tanaka donated 25 million dollar for a busness school in london after his name and know what happended to the investment banker?.

[fialkool]

@vjpillay Money will not release us from our being....we will all die anyway. I would make this place a bit better to live for that money.

[alquiora]

@fialkool he said that half of the credit for proving the conjecture should go to another mathematician but other than Perelman, no one wanted to acknowledge the other half of the contribution. This is the reason why he turned down the prize.

[Etrajbe]

@fialkool Easy: he means 1. That the jury is not capable of understanding his work, and that math/physics and the very UNDERSTANDING of the universe should be so much more than some prizes, and that the joy he felt by solving this and realizing something NO ONE else ever did or ever will, is bigger than all the money in the world. he also felt that other mathematicians deserved it as much as him.

[Maplesyrup41]

turning down a million bucks you'll never understand because you are an american and the level of adoration and obsession you yanks have with money is thank god not universal

cheerio!

[myofficetop]

Grigory Perelman reject the award becouse : "The science is really pure, public, its not about money and awards" G. Perelman sais. PS: OMG he is TRUE SCIENTIST! I am proud to be Russian, live in Rostov! Grigoriy we love you! ))

[Brcln9301]

@myofficetop

who cares where do u live... clown...

[4591rWaneleH]

Poker game....Sphere is three dimensional. Our physical, world, Universe is three dimensional..... and..... No kidding the sphere is different then the donut. And I would prefer donut because I could eat it.

[vjpillay]

@4591rWaneleh Millennium prize is not about a sphere but a higher dimension.4 d space and 3 d surface.Extention of 2d surface on earth we live made of 3 d space.

[chopin7tristesse]

@vjpillay 3-sphere not necessarily embedded in R^4.

[4591rWaneleH]

So now there is a new problem for the mathematians to solve why Prerelman did not accept the award awarded him for the solving of the Poincare problem?

[Kozeris]

We r trying to solve it already, thank you for your patience.

[4591rWaneleH]

I was joking being sarcastic (can you see that?)

[Kozeris]

@4591rWaneleH

i thought u will understand my sarcasm too

[4591rWaneleH]

Not really, to lame. Nice try though.

[mujotomi]

How romantic, hehe, I love to see soul mates [Signorelli are you by any chance from Venezia ;-) ] find each other, now and then, here and there. Oh, and don't let me disturb you, it's really refreshing.

Considering Perlman, I find it very funny how optimistical John Ball was when trying to persuade Perlman to take a prize. I wish I could see how that looked like, I mean 10 hours in 2 days-some people just don't understand what no means...

[signorellil]

@Mujotomi:

no, I'm from Torino, other end of the Pianura Padana. Not sure XXDoctorKnowXX and me we're soul mates, maybe we're just normally polite people with some healthy interest for good books... hey, now I come to think, quite a rarity on YouTube! ;)

[mathcernea]

That aside, this was an entertaining video. For example, the comparison of a man with a donut. For another example, that astute observation to the effect of, "Why not accept the million dollars?" Personally, I think it goes to show that someone can be a genius in one field and not have much common sense in another. Because if you really think math/science is pure, take a look at how it's always being funded by govt and corporations.

[XXDoctorKnowXX]

@mathcernea

I admit that not accepting the money is baffling (give it to mom, if you don't want it). My guess is that it's not such a purist move as one of maniacal ego, almost completely unwilling to be shackled by the world.

I could be very wrong. His motives may be pure. I've only learned about him this morning.

I suppose not accepting the money might be looked at as the Perelman conjecture --and a far more accessible one than all this Poincare business for normal mortals like me.

[signorellil]

I think a good way to understand Perelman rejection of the prize (and the money) is to read JL Borges "The God's Script", particularly the final paragraph.

At the end of the days, if you are smart enough to solve the Poincare Conjecture, everything else (including money and fame) can be put in perspective...

[XXDoctorKnowXX]

@signorellil

lovely. thank you. i am trying to find a copy online. so far, just the first page but i read a synopsis and it sounds great. kind of reminds me of that short story by ...perhaps Chekov, though I'm not sure. anyway, in the story, a man takes a bet that he can't be silent for (perhaps) 20 years. when he wins the bet, he is no longer interested in collecting the prize.

wish i could remember more about the story, but i'm pinched for time. cheers

[signorellil]

I know that Chekhov story - it's "The Bet", and was itself an important part of the plot development of an early (and hauntingly beautyful) SF short story by James G. Ballard - "Manhole 69", the description of an experiment whose aim is to surgically remove the need for sleeping ("narcotomy"). Brilliant stuff, try locate it.

[XXDoctorKnowXX]

@signorellil

speaking of Ballard, did you read 'Island' ...about some people stuck on a highway meridian, surviving off what people throw from their cars, etc? i haven't read it, but i heard it was good.

as i said, i found 'labryrinths' yesterday. borges is a great writer and i agree with you, that last sentence, about just laying in the dark, letting it obliterate fits perelman.

i'll certainly check out 'manhole 69'.

cheers!

[signorellil]

@XXDoctorKnosXX

Yes, I've read "Concrete Island". Actually, I've read everything Ballard has ever written! I accidentally stumbled upon a chapter of "Atrocity Exhibition" back in 1974, (at the very young age of 13!) and his "inner landscapes" have always been a big influence for me. I'm not sure I really like his last works, but everything until "High Rise" (ok, "Empire of the Sun" too) is worth checking. "Terminal Beach" may be one of the ten greatest short stories ever.

[XXDoctorKnowXX]

@signorellil

Excellent. I've moved away from fiction the last couple of years (I do freelance book reviews and end up overdosing on crappy books) but ever now and again, SF really calls to me.

I think I'm going to read Foundation. I started the series a while back, but there's almost something silly about Asimov...as smart as he is. Can't quite put my finger on it. Anyway: time to try again. I know the Foundation series is a classic.

[signorellil]

I was a big Asimov fan in my childhood (during the 60's) as my dad used to read one Asimov short story each evening to my brother and me, and I loved those, but I've never quite liked Asimov novels. Foundation may be a classic, but is quite dated and ponderous (IMHO).

Have you ever read anything by JP Farmer? Try the Riveworld series or the World of Tiers, it's great stuff! Or you may try my other big favourite, Philip Dick...

[XXDoctorKnowXX]

@signorellil

found a copy@ :  truly-free(dot) org followed by /#AuthF

[mathcernea]

[continued] in higher dimensions, such as dimension 4, it's not enough to just assume that every circle can be shrunk to a point. You also have to assume, for example, that every 2-d sphere can be shrunk to a point. In general, the so-called homotopy groups must agree with that of the sphere. This Generalized Poincare Conjecture was proved for dimensions 4 or greater by Smale. Oddly enough the hardest case was 3-d, proved by Perelman.

[mathcernea]

This video is a bit misleading. The Poincare Conjecture says that among all smooth 3-d shapes that are closed and bounded (to rule out infinite shapes like the 3-d plane), any one on which every circle (loop) can be shrunk to a point must be topologically equivalent to the 3-d sphere. (Like that rounded cube was topologically equivalent to the 2-d sphere.) However, [see next post]

[tangoapartners]

me guusta lo que haces. lo vi de casualidad porque tenemos el mismp apellido. yo soy bailarin de tango, nada que ver. atentamente Luis Perelman. Buenos Aires. Argentina

[Lizar50]

right now hes trying to solve the conjecture of his banana and its inability to seek a donut.

[usernamepicphail]

fair enough if he didn't want the money- but at least ask them to donate it to a charity

[n43d]

Why don't you ask them to do that yourself. If you can tell what's right and Perelman can't, you'll do a better job at convincing them than he would.

[roygbiv330]

grisha rocks. where is he now?

[Maccus89]

he's in his mother's apartment to create o resolve some mathematics things...i think

[hardsword2]

did we realy have 2 solve this shit -.- i mean the ball?a fuckin whater drop? and gas planets -.- ?shit messin it up like gravity but its obvious that its the simlest shape

[aliasnode2]

because something seems obvious doesnt make it true. you have to prove it to be true before you can accept it as such.

[tywebbOOOOO]

He uploaded it to arxiv in 2002 and 2003

[jm696969]

If he never goes out and keeps to himself so much how did people find out he solved the problem? Did he let it be known or did someone find out?

[evilryansak]

so why is the sphere the simpliest 3d shape?

[cuber64]

the ball is the simplest 3d shape. the sphere is the simplest non-trivial 3d shape. basically because it has only one simple hole in it.

[ch142857]

He has quit his job and is refuses prizes because people took advantage of him. He has said that "As long as I was not conspicuous, I had a choice. Either to make some ugly thing" (a fuss about the mathematics community's lack of integrity) "or, if I didn't do this kind of thing, to be treated as a pet. Now, when I become a very conspicuous person, I cannot stay a pet and say nothing. That is why I had to quit." Look it up this dosen't make him mad it is very sad that this is where we're at.

[ch142857]

Perelman has withdrawn for mathematics because he is "disappointed with the ethical standards of the field of mathematics" he objected to Yau's downplaying of his role in the solution to this problem making the statement "I can't say I'm outraged. Other people do worse. Of course, there are many mathematicians who are more or less honest. But almost all of them are conformists. They are more or less honest, but they tolerate those who are not honest" in the New Yorker.

[busrider85]

Obviously, to me, is this man's brain is slightly different. People get biochemical feedback from stuff they perceive(often obtainable with money), others and ideas. They are intertwined. Most people are hardwired for others. This man is hardwired for ideas.

[baka6660]

i heard that he wasnt "unusual" until he solved the poincare conjecture

[shatteredgoal]

i dont know wheter he was unsusual or he wasnt, but the fact is that he's solved the hardest problem ever solved. By the way he was gold medal in the international math competition.

[pitagora11]

Perelman is definitely the most honest mathematician on earth. It is obvious why he turned in the fields medal. The goal of people that are really doing math is not win the fields medal but solving a great problem. and he did it! as a mathematician what more can you wish for?

[wotchadave]

Think about it logically, though, as he probably did. Would you be more famous for accepting the greatest prize a mathematician can receive, or being the only man in history to turn it down?

[sagevorgen]

Maybe not. There was a lot of politics involved. Other mathematicians claiming credit, calling each other wrong etc. Perelman apparently rejected it all, gave up math, and is still a recluse. So it doesn't look like fame. It looks like integrity.

[iggy4323]

some people aren't interested in fame... and he's less likely to be than most... so I don't know how you can call that logic.

[wotchadave]

Sagevorgen states that others were involved in claiming credit about this. Do you hear their names attached to this piece of work? Or only Perelman's?

[iggy4323]

that doesn't suggest anything about perelman's interest in fame.

[tenaciousblck]

was he the ONLY man; I mean there famous examples for the Nobel Prize like NIcolas Tesla

[grishagenius]

thank you!

[Jyrki1964]

@pitagora11

Grigori Perelman does have a great stand in history books whether he wanted that or not.

[mycroftc]

Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself but talent instantly recognizes itself.