@GunMeat all vehicles have blind spots. even tiny cars like peugeot 106 or think have quite big blind spots that can easily be deadly. (anything not see-through create a dead spot). so behind mirrors. the frame. anything hanging from the rear view mirror. and anything out of the mirrors field of view
1) Don't even think about riding your bike up the inside of a lorry/bus or anything else of similar stature. If you're of a nervous disposition on the bike, simply wait behind it. If you're confident ALWAYS, ride around the outside like a motorbike would.
2) Take over as much as the road as you're entitled to. This will ensure drivers will see you, but also means they have to take a wider route around you, rather than trying to squeeze past you.
It seems to me that the cyclists would probably be visible before the truck starts its left turn, not that I'd be caught dead going up the inside of any left-turning artic.
Whether the mirrors are adjusted correctly or not is immaterial. You can never rely on other road users - be the motorists, cyclists or pedestrians - observing and acting correctly.
The wide angle mirror is not adjusted properly. Half of it is showing the tractor unit body work. Also, the point of view is far too low down, it's level with the steering wheel.
I knew they were bad blind spots on LGV's , but this video really drives home the message! Shared with friends on facebook...well done TfL on a great video!
Oh, 'twas me who turned things around... Sure, but according to your logic only. An average rubber boot is more logical, besides its size number must be greater than your IQ buddy.
So why does your road design put cyclists in this bind spot at junctions. It would seam you are trying to kill them.. Maybe the TFL should go on a road design training course.
This video clearly demonstrates that HGVs simply should not be allowed in built-up areas. They are utterly inadequate vehicle and unsafe to other road users. TfL should be taking urgent steps to remove them from London.
The vid is misleading, look at the shot of the bikes, and the angle of the cab, he has started to turn, obviously what he sees in his nearside mirror is less than he would have seen when he was straight.
Unless the idiot cyclists rode up the inside as he started to turn, with his indicators on, the driver would have seen them.
@057695 I agree, the vid is exaggerated and misleading on purpose, though there ain't too much visibility ever. The wide angle mirror is not correctly adjusted, also this local Michael Moore avoids to show the mirror above the side window although no-one of the cyclists are not necessarily seeable via it at that specific moment.
@OttovonEarth Even with a properly adjusted "West-coast" and Convex mirrors, it is easy to lose even SUVs in a blindspot when in a city, as so much is going on. The "curb" mirror that the video-grapher failed to show will only show about 2 to 3 feet out from the side of the truck. The bicyclists would not be seen in it.
@mannwhosoldtheworld Yep, there're blind spots excist enough likewise in the eyes too, one for each eye. Mirrors make 'em too, especially the right side ones in case of the left hand steering. Once I almost collided with a car 'coz I didn't see it immediately due to the right side mirrors. It happened in a town, no traffic, lights were flashing yellow and 'twas a daylight tho' 3 am - under seemingly good conditions, never know until shit happens.
@OttovonEarth Cute. I'm not making and excuse for every idiot trucker you've met. I'm saying that trucks do have blind spots and cars and bikes to move into them. You've clearly never had to operate tractor-trailers in cities. Every car, bike and pedestrian wants to go somewhere faster than everyone else, if that means driving up the right side of a truck with it's right blinder on, they do it. If that means crossing on a "do not walk" infront of my 6'4" tall hood, they do it.
@mannwhosoldtheworld Quit pigging out poisonous mushrooms like a Tibetan monk coming off a 10-day fast Buddy - it's frustrating 'coz obviously all I wrote flew over yer head.
'Bout driving; Lisboa - Irkutsk and a few cities between them. Nowadays I got only two directions in practise due to a modular vehicle, consists of 3-axle rigid, 5-axle drawbar. Sweden & Russia allow them so far.. and I got no tall hood cause COE, but my pecker is big enough.
@OttovonEarth More than I ever did... what are you even trying to imply? That your nonsensical youtube comments are more than anything I've done culmatively in my life? Suuuuure...
Sure, maybe I could've chosen a better expression which meets your high standards grammatically, but being aware of your proclivity to misunderstand the essential elements of a text - then it's pretty insignificant. Btw, if you want to be a decent grammar nazi you should pay more attention to your spelling while nit picking - or did I miss something within the adverb "cumlatively" instead of cumulatively?
@OttovonEarth Are you gay? I think you might be gay. Nothing wrong with a gay roody-poo. Well, except for the roody-poo part. Nothing wrong with homosexuality, but I'd just appreciate you not carrying on and talking to me, because I just don't think it's going to ever work between us, you being a gay black male, me being a straight white male. I'm flattered though, really.
@mannwhosoldtheworld Wow! You're a fortune teller - I'd recommed a career change tho'.. but thanks anyway for sharing the talent you've been blessed with, seems you've been discovered a new function for the truck mirrors.
A question - are you a Roman Catholic? If so, it's obvious you were an altar boy as a kid and there were a black bishop too. That would explain a lot, Mr Butthurt.
@OttovonEarth Agnostic, and still not diggin' ya dude. I'm lovin the pussy too much, but I understand your fascination with big black dick in and around your mouth, I'm sorry I can't fulfil your fantasy as I am white :/ good luck on your quest though, I'm sure you'll find something to shove up your arse sooner or later, shouldn't be to hard to find a tranny lot lizard in your part of europe
@mannwhosoldtheworld Okay, I hadda confess I'm deeply religious, a devout Pussy's Witness or a Pussy's Follower, it varies between these two sects.
But how 'bout you.. By reading your last two posts I somehow got the feeling you write your own needs and desires, but then you convert them as if they were mine. C'moon man, step out of the closet as from the cab, arse first, and be a proud gaylord.
I wish I were a rich man - I'd buy you the Harlem Cocktrotters basketball team
While licensing cyclists might be helpful, greedy governments would end up using it as a form of stealth tax and this would defeat the object of a cheap, convenient and green form of transport for the common man.
I would however like to see the transport industry take the initiative and provide extra training for drivers going into central London. Most of us got our HGV licenses in the boroughs or outside London and driving in the centre is a completely different ball game
I really hope this campaign gets the word out, I drive a rigid HGV around London regularly and am appalled at the behaviour of a minority of cyclists undertaking trucks, jumping reds etc. Cyclists need to be more aware of the dangers of being around large vehicles, and drivers need to take more time to observe what is around them before making left turns.
dont agree tfl, that wide angle mirror is showing more door than anything else, I drive a daf cf (same cab - mirrors as this truck) and i can see alot more, having said that agree with saiello2061 the blind spots are a real problem in towns etc.
us americans use a mirror you put up on the passinger side (on top). We also have a window on the bottom of our passinger side doors to get rid problimbs like that if the truck wasint coe (cab over) u could put mirrors on the hood
TfL, perhaps you'd care to comment on the blue cycling superhighways, which would place all the cyclists in real life exactly as they are shown in this video.
It seems road planners expect cyclists to go into the danger zone, which can't be right. Cycle lanes on the nearside are known as Death Alley for a reason.
@CyclingMikey also they banned lorry movements at night which ofcorse means an increase for the daytime traffic putting more at risk congestion up, look at any other major city lorries banned daytime and weekends and it works very well, just idiotic TFL staff who have never driven a lorry think they know thats probly as close as they will ever come to one (i am a lorry driver btw)
and another thing the convex mirror is not set correct if you can see the the cab in that mirror then its set wrong its for seeing the end of the trailor when reversing on the blind side set propely you would see the riders no probs and I am speaking from 15 years experience .I never killed anyone the only real blind spot is right next to the passenger door .and even then only in a big cabbed truck and not this little daf.
well for a start you would see the heads of the riders unless you were a 2" dwarf like the person holding this camara if i held my head a stearingwheel leven then no I would not see the bike riders .
Me = cyclist, motorcylist + lorry driver. This video not quite accurate, cylists as positioned here should have been seen if mirrors were adjusted properly. Having said that, blind spots are a very real problem and every cyclist should be made fully aware of this. I've met my fair share of lunatics and blissfully unaware cyclists on the road and they need to be educated. Cyclist training should be made mandatory.
@TransportforLondon positioned for who the camera or driver? im a lorry driver i drive a 16 year old lorry even with the older mirrors i would have seen a few more than that, i used to drive STGO wagons which were upto 150ton and 75ft long whats more foden / DAF have notoriusly bad mirrors anyway
@TransportforLondon In this day and age I find it hard to believe you could not conjure up a solution that would eliminate the problem entirely, I can think of 4 of the top of my head....
@saiello2061 Yup, actually a single solution is required... As a cyclist, DO NOT UNDERTAKE A LORRY, the time you may gain is not worth the risks it involves..... I say this as a cyclist, comuting over 100k a week, through town.
@TransportforLondon TfL, perhaps you'd care to comment on the blue cycling superhighways, which would place all the cyclists in real life exactly as they are shown in this video.
It seems road planners expect cyclists to go into the danger zone, which can't be right. Cycle lanes on the nearside are known as Death Alley for a reason.
@TransportforLondon Except the front of the truck is clearly angled to the left compared with the trailer as if it's turning, which causes the mirrors to be angled toward the trailer.
Then why more than the half of the mirror covers the truck itself? Are you afraid of colliding with yourself? Maybe your camera does not reflect the driver's point of view.
@saiello2061 the vehicle is an old type there mirrors are not as good as the new ones however atleast half them still wouldnt be visable to any driver the mirrors from my view are set correctly using just mirrors theres no way you could even see the near side once in a turn you only see the trailer its your blind side for a reason
This is total hypocrisy - TfL is encouraging cyclists to be on the inside of vehicles!! All this video is missing is the blue paint underneath all the cyclists that directed them to the inside of the lorry in the first place, aka Boris' 'cycle superhighways'. Complete design fail on the mirror as well - more glaring evidence that HGVs are totally unequipped for London's roads.
@thejiggerypokery with 8 mirrors on a truck we are equiped for london work, the problem is the cyclist who either doesnt stop for red lights (has to by law) or comes up the near side the video isnt 100% correct anyway.
Cyclists should take heed of this, to be aware when riding in the vivinity of HGVs.
HGV drivers should be aware of this when driving around cyclists.
Council/Govt/Police should be aware of this for road planning/infrastructure/legal purposes.
adrenalinjunky31 17 hours ago
Polska rulezz !!!
derley1 5 days ago
What does it mean HAS BLIND SPOTS? If a lorry has blind spots it should be banned from traffic!
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GunMeat 6 days ago
@GunMeat all vehicles have blind spots. even tiny cars like peugeot 106 or think have quite big blind spots that can easily be deadly. (anything not see-through create a dead spot). so behind mirrors. the frame. anything hanging from the rear view mirror. and anything out of the mirrors field of view
janjancummings 1 day ago
adjust properly you mirrors you moron! you don't have to see end of your car!
eduarderro 6 days ago
dlaczego on skręca w lewo z prawego pasa?
pietr9990 6 days ago
huj źle ustawił lusterka i się podnieca
adamm988 1 week ago
@miziolus i hate you...
bebyrd 1 week ago
FAKE
Burro2000s 1 week ago
fake
PokosPysznychTraw 1 week ago
I used to be a west end bicycle courier.
1) Don't even think about riding your bike up the inside of a lorry/bus or anything else of similar stature. If you're of a nervous disposition on the bike, simply wait behind it. If you're confident ALWAYS, ride around the outside like a motorbike would.
2) Take over as much as the road as you're entitled to. This will ensure drivers will see you, but also means they have to take a wider route around you, rather than trying to squeeze past you.
LiquidFire13 1 week ago
Anyone know what the song playing is called?
bebyrd 1 week ago
@bebyrd /watch?v=gN2zcLBr_VM You don't have to thanks man : )
miziolus 1 week ago
It seems to me that the cyclists would probably be visible before the truck starts its left turn, not that I'd be caught dead going up the inside of any left-turning artic.
Whether the mirrors are adjusted correctly or not is immaterial. You can never rely on other road users - be the motorists, cyclists or pedestrians - observing and acting correctly.
Catcrumbs 1 week ago
MENTAL!!!!!!!!
theannanas79 1 week ago
The wide angle mirror is not adjusted properly. Half of it is showing the tractor unit body work. Also, the point of view is far too low down, it's level with the steering wheel.
HGV1 driver with 16 years experience
pauleden66 2 weeks ago
I knew they were bad blind spots on LGV's , but this video really drives home the message! Shared with friends on facebook...well done TfL on a great video!
MrCpjmathieson 3 weeks ago
Oh, 'twas me who turned things around... Sure, but according to your logic only. An average rubber boot is more logical, besides its size number must be greater than your IQ buddy.
OttovonEarth 1 month ago
See, now you're turning this around. I thought we were making real progress deep into your phsyche, but clearly u mad bro.
mannwhosoldtheworld 1 month ago
So why does your road design put cyclists in this bind spot at junctions. It would seam you are trying to kill them.. Maybe the TFL should go on a road design training course.
dougculnane 1 month ago
If you can't see a legitimate road user in a reasonable road position from the driving position, how is that a road safe vehicle?
cabdav 2 months ago
This video clearly demonstrates that HGVs simply should not be allowed in built-up areas. They are utterly inadequate vehicle and unsafe to other road users. TfL should be taking urgent steps to remove them from London.
theianwalker 2 months ago 7
The vid is misleading, look at the shot of the bikes, and the angle of the cab, he has started to turn, obviously what he sees in his nearside mirror is less than he would have seen when he was straight.
Unless the idiot cyclists rode up the inside as he started to turn, with his indicators on, the driver would have seen them.
Ignore this bullshit, get the facts right please.
057695 4 months ago
@057695 I agree, the vid is exaggerated and misleading on purpose, though there ain't too much visibility ever. The wide angle mirror is not correctly adjusted, also this local Michael Moore avoids to show the mirror above the side window although no-one of the cyclists are not necessarily seeable via it at that specific moment.
OttovonEarth 2 months ago
@OttovonEarth Even with a properly adjusted "West-coast" and Convex mirrors, it is easy to lose even SUVs in a blindspot when in a city, as so much is going on. The "curb" mirror that the video-grapher failed to show will only show about 2 to 3 feet out from the side of the truck. The bicyclists would not be seen in it.
mannwhosoldtheworld 2 months ago
@mannwhosoldtheworld Yep, there're blind spots excist enough likewise in the eyes too, one for each eye. Mirrors make 'em too, especially the right side ones in case of the left hand steering. Once I almost collided with a car 'coz I didn't see it immediately due to the right side mirrors. It happened in a town, no traffic, lights were flashing yellow and 'twas a daylight tho' 3 am - under seemingly good conditions, never know until shit happens.
OttovonEarth 1 month ago
@OttovonEarth Cute. I'm not making and excuse for every idiot trucker you've met. I'm saying that trucks do have blind spots and cars and bikes to move into them. You've clearly never had to operate tractor-trailers in cities. Every car, bike and pedestrian wants to go somewhere faster than everyone else, if that means driving up the right side of a truck with it's right blinder on, they do it. If that means crossing on a "do not walk" infront of my 6'4" tall hood, they do it.
mannwhosoldtheworld 1 month ago
@mannwhosoldtheworld Quit pigging out poisonous mushrooms like a Tibetan monk coming off a 10-day fast Buddy - it's frustrating 'coz obviously all I wrote flew over yer head.
'Bout driving; Lisboa - Irkutsk and a few cities between them. Nowadays I got only two directions in practise due to a modular vehicle, consists of 3-axle rigid, 5-axle drawbar. Sweden & Russia allow them so far.. and I got no tall hood cause COE, but my pecker is big enough.
OttovonEarth 1 month ago
@OttovonEarth Dude, you're an idiot. Half of your post consists of nonsence.
mannwhosoldtheworld 1 month ago
@mannwhosoldtheworld Buddy, only half is nonsenSe!? Thanks for your compliment. The remaining amount is still more than you ever did.
OttovonEarth 1 month ago
@OttovonEarth More than I ever did... what are you even trying to imply? That your nonsensical youtube comments are more than anything I've done culmatively in my life? Suuuuure...
mannwhosoldtheworld 1 month ago
@mannwhosoldtheworld Are you mad Tall Hood Führer? Cool down though..
Sure, maybe I could've chosen a better expression which meets your high standards grammatically, but being aware of your proclivity to misunderstand the essential elements of a text - then it's pretty insignificant. Btw, if you want to be a decent grammar nazi you should pay more attention to your spelling while nit picking - or did I miss something within the adverb "cumlatively" instead of cumulatively?
OttovonEarth 1 month ago
@mannwhosoldtheworld Nope, your word was "culmatively."
OttovonEarth 1 month ago
@OttovonEarth Are you gay? I think you might be gay. Nothing wrong with a gay roody-poo. Well, except for the roody-poo part. Nothing wrong with homosexuality, but I'd just appreciate you not carrying on and talking to me, because I just don't think it's going to ever work between us, you being a gay black male, me being a straight white male. I'm flattered though, really.
mannwhosoldtheworld 1 month ago
@mannwhosoldtheworld Wow! You're a fortune teller - I'd recommed a career change tho'.. but thanks anyway for sharing the talent you've been blessed with, seems you've been discovered a new function for the truck mirrors.
A question - are you a Roman Catholic? If so, it's obvious you were an altar boy as a kid and there were a black bishop too. That would explain a lot, Mr Butthurt.
OttovonEarth 1 month ago
@OttovonEarth Agnostic, and still not diggin' ya dude. I'm lovin the pussy too much, but I understand your fascination with big black dick in and around your mouth, I'm sorry I can't fulfil your fantasy as I am white :/ good luck on your quest though, I'm sure you'll find something to shove up your arse sooner or later, shouldn't be to hard to find a tranny lot lizard in your part of europe
mannwhosoldtheworld 1 month ago
@mannwhosoldtheworld Okay, I hadda confess I'm deeply religious, a devout Pussy's Witness or a Pussy's Follower, it varies between these two sects.
But how 'bout you.. By reading your last two posts I somehow got the feeling you write your own needs and desires, but then you convert them as if they were mine. C'moon man, step out of the closet as from the cab, arse first, and be a proud gaylord.
I wish I were a rich man - I'd buy you the Harlem Cocktrotters basketball team
OttovonEarth 1 month ago
While licensing cyclists might be helpful, greedy governments would end up using it as a form of stealth tax and this would defeat the object of a cheap, convenient and green form of transport for the common man.
I would however like to see the transport industry take the initiative and provide extra training for drivers going into central London. Most of us got our HGV licenses in the boroughs or outside London and driving in the centre is a completely different ball game
jpsaudiohandbook 4 months ago
I really hope this campaign gets the word out, I drive a rigid HGV around London regularly and am appalled at the behaviour of a minority of cyclists undertaking trucks, jumping reds etc. Cyclists need to be more aware of the dangers of being around large vehicles, and drivers need to take more time to observe what is around them before making left turns.
jpsaudiohandbook 4 months ago
take the lot of em out!!!! most will have ipods in, and red lites dont apply to em....
MrDAZASTER 9 months ago
dont agree tfl, that wide angle mirror is showing more door than anything else, I drive a daf cf (same cab - mirrors as this truck) and i can see alot more, having said that agree with saiello2061 the blind spots are a real problem in towns etc.
alfaclass1 11 months ago
thats scary, and i use a boris bike recklessly. will be wayy more careful with the trucks now.
kool4eva 1 year ago
That cab is quite low compared to a volvo fh or daf xf or other larger tractor units.
The blind spots on a higher cab would be even worse.
oedixey 1 year ago
So how many cyclists using the "Boris bikes" have seen this?
M245475SH 1 year ago
us americans use a mirror you put up on the passinger side (on top). We also have a window on the bottom of our passinger side doors to get rid problimbs like that if the truck wasint coe (cab over) u could put mirrors on the hood
rollingparkinglot 1 year ago
TfL, perhaps you'd care to comment on the blue cycling superhighways, which would place all the cyclists in real life exactly as they are shown in this video.
It seems road planners expect cyclists to go into the danger zone, which can't be right. Cycle lanes on the nearside are known as Death Alley for a reason.
CyclingMikey 1 year ago
@CyclingMikey also they banned lorry movements at night which ofcorse means an increase for the daytime traffic putting more at risk congestion up, look at any other major city lorries banned daytime and weekends and it works very well, just idiotic TFL staff who have never driven a lorry think they know thats probly as close as they will ever come to one (i am a lorry driver btw)
VolvoFH12580 1 year ago
oops foden
blobby1972 1 year ago
and another thing the convex mirror is not set correct if you can see the the cab in that mirror then its set wrong its for seeing the end of the trailor when reversing on the blind side set propely you would see the riders no probs and I am speaking from 15 years experience .I never killed anyone the only real blind spot is right next to the passenger door .and even then only in a big cabbed truck and not this little daf.
blobby1972 1 year ago
well for a start you would see the heads of the riders unless you were a 2" dwarf like the person holding this camara if i held my head a stearingwheel leven then no I would not see the bike riders .
blobby1972 1 year ago
thats scarry...
johnfox3 1 year ago
Its easy you dork, dont go down the inside of a trailer indicating left, go down the outside and if in doubt go down the outside.
tramsteer 1 year ago
Me = cyclist, motorcylist + lorry driver. This video not quite accurate, cylists as positioned here should have been seen if mirrors were adjusted properly. Having said that, blind spots are a very real problem and every cyclist should be made fully aware of this. I've met my fair share of lunatics and blissfully unaware cyclists on the road and they need to be educated. Cyclist training should be made mandatory.
saiello2061 1 year ago
@saiello2061 When this film was made, all of the mirrors were carefully checked and positioned correctly.
TransportforLondon 1 year ago 8
@TransportforLondon positioned for who the camera or driver? im a lorry driver i drive a 16 year old lorry even with the older mirrors i would have seen a few more than that, i used to drive STGO wagons which were upto 150ton and 75ft long whats more foden / DAF have notoriusly bad mirrors anyway
VolvoFH12580 1 year ago
@TransportforLondon In this day and age I find it hard to believe you could not conjure up a solution that would eliminate the problem entirely, I can think of 4 of the top of my head....
saiello2061 7 months ago
@saiello2061 Yup, actually a single solution is required... As a cyclist, DO NOT UNDERTAKE A LORRY, the time you may gain is not worth the risks it involves..... I say this as a cyclist, comuting over 100k a week, through town.
damultwe 5 months ago
@damultwe
100,000 miles a week, wow!
arushandapushand 2 months ago
@arushandapushand no, 100 Km (yes, I am aware of the difference between that and 100k, ;-) )
damultwe 2 months ago
@damultwe
sorry to be a pedant.
you're right about not undertaking lorries.
It's not worth it.
Keep away from 'em.
arushandapushand 2 months ago
@TransportforLondon yes, but the cab is angled in regard to the trailer, so the blind spot is accentuated
damultwe 5 months ago
@TransportforLondon In which case that vehicle *cannot* see where it is going and is dangerous.
davidmam 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@TransportforLondon TfL, perhaps you'd care to comment on the blue cycling superhighways, which would place all the cyclists in real life exactly as they are shown in this video.
It seems road planners expect cyclists to go into the danger zone, which can't be right. Cycle lanes on the nearside are known as Death Alley for a reason.
CyclingMikey 4 months ago
The wide angled mirror IS SET WRONG!!! Set it so you just see the tail in a strait line gives a better view and safer.
pgbaines65 3 months ago
@TransportforLondon Except the front of the truck is clearly angled to the left compared with the trailer as if it's turning, which causes the mirrors to be angled toward the trailer.
This is undoubtedly a misleading video.
OMGtehWINNAR 1 week ago
@TransportforLondon
Then why more than the half of the mirror covers the truck itself? Are you afraid of colliding with yourself? Maybe your camera does not reflect the driver's point of view.
tomeck3145 6 days ago
@tomeck3145
Maybe cuz the truck isn't aligned in a straight line, which could cause the mirrors to seem incorrectly adjusted...
Anyways, turning left from the right lane?
B33rM4st3r 6 days ago
@saiello2061 the vehicle is an old type there mirrors are not as good as the new ones however atleast half them still wouldnt be visable to any driver the mirrors from my view are set correctly using just mirrors theres no way you could even see the near side once in a turn you only see the trailer its your blind side for a reason
TridentTrucking 7 months ago
This video needs further explanation for cyclists :)
silinskas 1 year ago
This is total hypocrisy - TfL is encouraging cyclists to be on the inside of vehicles!! All this video is missing is the blue paint underneath all the cyclists that directed them to the inside of the lorry in the first place, aka Boris' 'cycle superhighways'. Complete design fail on the mirror as well - more glaring evidence that HGVs are totally unequipped for London's roads.
thejiggerypokery 1 year ago
@thejiggerypokery with 8 mirrors on a truck we are equiped for london work, the problem is the cyclist who either doesnt stop for red lights (has to by law) or comes up the near side the video isnt 100% correct anyway.
VolvoFH12580 1 year ago
Every cyclist should watch this.
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bertos79 1 year ago