GEORGIANS ARE NO TURKS! REMEMBER TURKS KILLED OUR PEOPLE OF GEORGIA! HOW CAN U BE UNITED TO A COUNTRY WICH KILLED AND STOLE MANY WOMEN OF GEORGIA? SEARCH ON WIKIPEDIA: caucasian white.
IT REFERS TO CAUCASIAN (georgian aspeccialy). All europe (turkey too) has georgian blood, why you think spain an portugl is called iberian isle? Iberian people are early georgians. They migrated there. Most of the half people there have geo blood.
to hosank this is very beautiful video about Georgia so please do not write ur political views here go and spoil armenian videos if u want nobody is intrested in ur politics and dirty way of life here
yes, laz people! armenians are the indo european peoples who made the part of Alexandre's army and who defeated urartu empire. and right now you are sayng that they were your incesteurs... turko-muslim georgians does not exsist because turkomans are the nomad people camed from azie and georgians are old caucassians! i respect armenians but not the liers! sorry
lol..you do realise that your timeline is wrong? Urartu existed 1000 years before alexander the great right? so what you said doesn't even make sense. armenians are the direct descendants of Urartu..which was not destroyed by alexander, but by the meds and assyrians. so likewise..i don't respect liers either..or historical revisionists like yourself..so get your story straight then make judgements
great LOL.... Urartu like a great comunnity exsisted from 11-09crs to 590y B.J.C. they were annexed by Midia forces but they were exterminated under greek domination by the alexanders forces, who supported "Balkan" gipsies(armenians)in the region. it means that you are not the descendent of Urartu, you are balkan gipsies who exterminate the afaibled Urartu... it is not the same! your history like of warior gipsies is starting from 610 b.J.C. and Urartu's finished on 590 b.J.C.
the ossets migrated less than a thousand years ago..armenians have been there for 4000 years. and you have no real evidence to disprove the fact that armenians and their ancestors have lived here since antiquity the language spoken by armenians today is somewhat different from urartu. and then what's your point? europeans came to america 600 years ago, turks came from central asia, and azeri turks have been in the caucasus for only 200 years..so go write on their pages.
i wrotte you because you touched laze people and their history with ironie... and i'm writting on the pages of turkoamn's too don't care about... at seconde i'm not racist! i do not want to dispute with you right now because georgians and armenians were the brothers during the centuries but today everything that they are doing and do in abkhazia is inexcusable. i have my point with my arguments about your incesteurs and about Urartu people!
yes. but what is urartu? urartu was a confederation of nations. you had the nayiri, the armens, the haiks. now, some greek guy in antiquity said that the armen tribe was originally illyrian, so that's why people to this day think that, but its not true, they are anatolians. the reason why we say 'armenia' today, is because the armen nobility took control of urartu from the haiks (haik, or hayastan is the armenian name for armenia) but they were just tribes of the same race. Urartu is an assyrian
offcourse, the history that we are learning is based on the old documents that "some guys" wrotte at once. and at seconde if armenian people asserved urartu it does not means that you are their incesteurs... it's what i said exsactly: you are not from this lands, armenians were un trybe gimpsy and they got the control on the urartu lands after the greek domination... and the point of this domination was Alex... i know that urartu is the assirian name and that their real name was "Biainils"...
lol tu fais expres? regarde, alexandre le grand a envahi le caucause en 332331 BC, la premiere fois que l'on a utilisé le mot"armenie" etait par les perse en l'an 440 bc, soit 110 ans avant alexandre. alors ne me dis pas que les armeniens sont venu avec alexandre. encore, le non armenien 'haik' est encore plus vieux, depuis 2100 bc. maintenant apres 4 mille ans, tu vas me dire qu'on a pas droit a cette terre? pour laquelle on nous a tué pendant 3000 ans? pour laquelle on a resisté tantd'ivasi
je ne dit pas que vous etez venu avec alexandre, mais vous etiez un bon point de sutien dans le region pour lui, et ce a cette period la que vous avez reussi de battre le people d'Urartu afaibli par midia. mais qui vous dit que vous ne meritez pas ces terres? moi je suis tt a fait d'acord que vous soyez nos voisins. mais il faut avouer vos origins c'est tout.
tu viens juste de me dire que nous sommes venu des balkans avec alexandre? quelles origines, je t'explique nos origines. les armeniens d'aujourd'hui habitent dans le caucase (et jusquen 1915) en anatolie orientale depuis des millenaires. d'ailleurs notre sang est le même depuis 10 mille ans. (evidemment je ne dis pas que l'armenie a 10 mille ans, mais)..c'est la même chose pour vous, la georgie n'existait pas avant, il y avait colchis et l'iberie. nous c'était urartu.
mais bon je ne veut pas de dispute et on s'arret la stp. parce que nous avons simplement differents points de vue, et differents maniers de voir le monde alors c'est normal que ce que est normal pour oi ne l'es pas pour moi...
d'accord, mais il n'y a pas 2 façons de consevoir l'histoire. regarde, c'est un georgien, Thomas Gamkrelidze, qui dit ca lol. plustot regarde à la droite..en azerbaijan, dis moi, tu as déja vu ce non sur une carte avant 1919? ...maintenant parles-moi de la bierre georgienne
mais le problem ce que il y a des sources historiques qui disent que vous venez pas de ce terres et vous dite que vous etez de cette terre... ca va... et se qui concerne a la nationalite de Gamkhrelidze, Stalin aussi etait un georgian mais ils nous a bien fait 4 genocide par siecle...
c'est vrai..staline...peut-être pas la meilleure exportation de géorgie lol. "in 440 BC the Armenioi were armed like the Phrygians.[27][28][29] The Graeco-Armenian hypothesis is a possible ancestry of the Armenian people, but it is as of yet, not a certain theory." les phrygiens étaient un peuple européen en anatolie centrale..donc pas les balkans. mais ce ne sont pas de sources académiques mais des hypothèses crééent en l'antiquité par des phylosphes grecques, et non des historiens
frenchement on s'arret la parce que il y des differents sources, qui prouve les differens facts. dans se period la le migrations etait fort et si tu veut la verité on peut croire que le sujet n'est pas bien recherché...
'theory suggested by Thomas Gamkrelidze and Vyacheslav V. Ivanov in 1984 places the Proto-Indo-European homeland in the Armenian Highland, see Armenian hypothesis, which would entail the presence of (pre-)Proto-Armenians in the area during the entire lifetime of the Urartian state.' evidemment les arméniens aujourd'hui sont differents des urartiens, nous sommes chrétiens, nous parlons une langue differente, etc...mais ils sont quand même nos ancêtres, leur sang coule dans nos veines.
si vous parler une langue differents langues comment ils sont vos insetres je ne peut pas comprendre car en Iberie ils parlais la georgien d'aujord'hui (mais biensur avec qq differents dialectique) et dans le Colchis ils parlais la langue des Lazes. se que les documents et facts historiques prouve....
ouais mas la langue de l'iberie..ca date du moyen age si tu veux..mais on ne parlais pas le georgien moderne il y a 3 mille ans je suppose. par exemple, les italiens d'aujourd,hui ne parlent pas le latin nestpas? deplus, l'armenien d'aujourd'hui n'est surement pas la meme que Urartu..mais a la fin, du a mal compris, je n'ai pas insulté les Laz, j'ai dit, que comme les armeniens de ponte (les hamshen) nous avont été turquifié de force, islamisé, et un jour nous retrouversons justice...
bah ce se que je dit.. avec les differents dialectique....... parce que meme le georgian de 5 siecle de A.J.C. on as mal a comprendre mais on le comprend. mais georgien d'haujerdhui vien de ce iberian georgian. c'es une base.
mais biensur, je ne dit pas que c'est faut..l'arménien d'il y a 1000 ans ce comprend toujours (et il est encore utilisé à la messe)..mais la langue d'il y a 4000 ans, to comprends que ca evolue..et que juste parce que les arméniens modernes ne parlement pas l'urartien courrament ne veut pas dire que nous sommes étrangers
bah comme tu dit il n'y a pas de 2 facons pour voir l'histoire.... et les greques disent que vous ne venez pas de la... le bierre georgien? bah il est assez delicieux, frenchement je l'aime plus que celui de l'allemagne ou celle de Cheque...
les grecques..qui passaient leurs temps à enculer des petits garcons? lool..hehe...bah, surement mieu que la pisse qu'ils appellent la bière russe, mais plus que l'allemande? là il faut goûter pour etre sur
ah..seulement une bière, ah les pauvres..lool..mais au moins vous evez du bon vin. ah, ma maison est just acoté du plus vieux verger du monde hehe. nous aussi, nous avons du bon vin. nous avons aussi de la vodka au fruits, et bien sur le fameux cognac arménien. tu restes ou en france? et ou en georgie? de rien, je vais peut-etre faire un tour en georgie cet été
pareil... nous aussi on fait du bon vodka de fruit mais le Vin et du Bierre sont encore de meilleur qualité chez nous. perssonellement je pense continuer la vie en georgie mais pas tt de suite. je me prepare pour fair les etudes. et quand je disas "chez moi" je voulais dire en georgie.. et pourquoi derien? tu m'as rien proposé....
c'est du français canadien...je veux dire: pas de probleme. non je sais que chez toi c'est la georgie, mais je demandais dans quelle ville en france vis-tu? et ou vivais-tu en georgie? tiflis? tu fais quoi comme études..moi aussi..ecoutes, si tous les arméniens quittent l'arménie, il ne restera plus d'arménie, et les turques auraient vaincu. looll
non je sais, mais je dis que comme toi, nous avons un devoir patriotique de retourner à la patrie. mm...bah, pas autant que d'arméniens, il doit y avoir au moins 100 000 arméniens au canada (la plus part sont descendants des arméniens occidentaux,survivants du génocide de 1915), peut eutre 2 ou 3 mille georgiens...il y a une fille a deux rues de chez moi qui est géorgienne.
ouais, spéciallement pour nous, car nous ne sommes pas immigrants, mais exilés...on nous a enlevé de nos terres, on a essayé de nous exterminer...ouais, mais il doit aussi y avoir 500 000 arméniens en france je crois jai des cousins la bas
oui.. pareille pour les georgiens.. dans le perse il y a 5 000 000 georgien aujeurd'hui parce que le Chah a bas les a fait immigrer danls region qui s'appel Pereidan. bon je doit y aller mon Hosank, j'aimerais bien continuer la discusion mais pas de temps.. aller bonsoiréé.
i'll write back anyways: there have been armenians in georgia for thousands of years, and georgians (still) in armenia. there are also azeris, lezgin, udi, chechen, abkhaz ossets in georgia, do you want them to leave too?..before there was no border between georgia and armenia, we had the same royalty and same church...this is new..
honcak I have armenian friends and actually a lot of them but problem cocuss is talkin about is that armenians put knives in georgians back everytime something went wrong.
you cant take abkhazyan war as an example. I know you will telk me that tale about armenian villiges getin attacked by georgians and became victims of civil war. Even if it happened be man enough and act like Georgian if you live on this land and number one rule now and always for georgians is we sink and rise togather.
well yes of course i agree, but...i'm sure you will not deny that during the abkhaz/ossetic war in 1994, it was in the middle of a civil war between georgians...and other georgians. now again, and let this be clear. i am not accusing the georgian national army of crimes against armenians. i am saying many georgian militiamen from god knows what faction, did not act in a civilised manor, and unfortunately, that turned an ally against you.
what genocide?..the abkhaz are the ones who kicked out the georgian civilians, not the armenians. armenians only fought because both the abkhaz and the georgians wer attacking them, even though they had nothing to do with this war.
yes i know what genocide is, ask my grandfather, he would know..oh wait..he's dead.
2: do you know what genocide is? premeditated elimination of a people/nation from a land...there are only 40 000 armenians in abkhazia...we are the smallest ethnic group..how can we possibly organise the "genocide" of 350 000 georgians??...it was the abkhaz. and you know what, if gamshaxurdia was not such an idiot, there woudl not have been a war in the first place.
1. i didn't say 350 000 georgians were killed, i said that they were ethnically cleansed, BY THE ABKHAZ. 2. ..are you not georgian?>>.not only did gamshaxurdia start the war, he also killed tens of thousands of georgians. (did you forget there was a civil war in georgia between GEORGIAN shevernadze supporters and GEORGIAN gamshaxurdia supporters..gamshaxurdia played right into the russian trap.
Gamsakhurdia was throw dawn by Russia.. Gamsakhurdia's supporters were deFending himselF From bandits..
many Gamsakhurdia's supporter were killed by this bandits.. and there was people who didn't love Gamsakhurdia.. because KGB was spreading lies about him.. and part oF people didn't like Gamsakhurdia..
yes, but gamshaxurdia also made many mistakes in his interior policy. ok, he was nationalist, but that is not excuse for reducing the rights of ethnic minorities, and taking away their autonomous status. had this not happened, the abkhaz would not have been provoked, and would not have asked russia for help. also, the armenians in abkhazia were fighting with the georgian army till gamshaxurdias militias started raiding armenian villages. had this not happened, georgia would have won
he was nationalist.. but he never insulted any other nation in Georgia.. and this Fact didn't like Russia..
this war was started by Russia's agents.. Jaba Ioseliani and Tengiz Kitovani.. Gamsakhurdia didn't stated war.. war started aFter persecution oF Gamsakhurdia..
Kitovani and Ioseliani kicked out Gamsakhurdia and started war..
well if that is true, than it does not excuse him, because it means he is weak, and he let himself be dragged into a war which, had he been a smart, and strong leader he could have stopped. if he really cared about the minorities, he would have found a way to get them to live in peace. but it was not loseliani or who ever who took away the autonomous status of abkhazia, it was gamshaxurdia, by presidential decree.
He was weak leader.. Because he was humanist.. he didn't want kill bandits.. who were enemies oF them and enemies oF Georgia.. and this was reason why he trew dawn..
Abkhazian side declared independent oF Abkhazia.. they didn't want ''autonomy''..
i know, but, had gamshaxurdia not declared the rights of ALL minorities (including udi, armenian,s abkhazz, ossets,) to be null, and allowed the abkhaz to have autonomy within georgia, they would not have declared independence. i mean look, in jaxakhk 95% of the population are armenians, but they did not declare themselves independent. but the ossets and abkhaz did,..you see, had the georgian government been smart about this,(and not fought a civil war against EACHOTHER)..ther would be peace
well, i think armenians need some guarentee as a national minority, but its true, we don't do much. but when sakaashvili came to power, he restored abkhazias status as an autonomous oblast, (but at that time it was already too late)...had gamshaxurdia not done it in the first place, it would not have given russia the excuse to get involved as you said.
Abkhazians didn't wanted autonomy in Gamsakhurdia's time.. Gamsakhurdia was agree about autonomy oF Abkhazia.. Because Abkhazians haven't other land.. unlike Ossetians..
yes, but abkhazians have lived in abkhazia for thousands of years. the only reason abkhazia was part of georgia, is because the abkhaz queen married the bagration king of georgia in the middle ages, but the abkhaz are a distinct people, why should they not be allowed to at least have SOME degree of autonomy?
but you know what i mean: even if they were merged with the georgian kingdom, they remain their own nation: they arn't ethnic georgians, and have their own culture and everything
well ajars are georgians, they are the same people. ..and the majority of ossets came from north ossetia during soviet times. ..but armenians have been living in georgia for over 1000 years.
no, but their national patrimony should be preserved. we have had a long history in georgia, and we have always been helpful in the nation building of your country, so i think our rights as an armenian minority should be recognised. i think the armenian dioscese should be recognised in owning our churches in georgia, like before soviet times, and maybe tiblisi should either help take care of the situation in javakhk, or let the armenians do it themselves, but at least do something.
even the georgians in javakhk arn't happy with it. its not like the armenians want to leave, but, there is 1 road in javakhk, and in the winter, it is snowed over. few people have jobs (before the only thing was the russian base)..and the government didn't even try and bring in economic insentives, and they arrested the armenians who wanted to do it for themselves. and that "go live elsewhere" attitude is usually how you start civil wars..remember (you had two of them.)
threatening by war??..,are you not listening? i'm talking about peace.
and ok, if there are so many problems in the rest of georgia, then why doesn't the government allow armenian NGOs to work in javakhk, that way, it will be a load of the government's back.
the russian base is only there as part of a defence agreement on the turkey-armenia border. in last summer's war, armenia forbade russian flights from armenia to bomb georgia, because armenia remained neutral. not only that, armenia took in georgian refugees from Gori, and from the villages around there...so..your problems with russia re not our problem, we don't get involved.
you're talking about the bombing of Marneuli. the thing about the aircraft coming from gyumri was azeri propaganda (they tried to stop sakaashvili's visit to yerevan by saying the planes came from armenia) even though radar proved they came from socci. and thankfully the road project didn't stop so we're goodl
niet, that was an azeri news network that reported that first. you can find it on the internet: the azeri FM called sakaashvili naive for going to armenia after claiming that the armenians had bombed the marneuli air base. under the CSTO treaty, armenia had no obligation to russia because, abkhazia and ossetia are not recognised by armenia as being CIS countries, and the war does not count as a georgian agression against russia
you see, the problem is that crazy people like gamshaxurdia took power, and had policies which did not include minorities such as ossets and abkhaz (or other georgians for that matter, since there was a civil war). and unfortunately, this gave pretext for crazy fanatic leaders in suxumi or tskinvali to take up arms, and do terrible things, like the ethnic cleansing of 250 000 georgians from abkhazia. we were coughtbetween u now, amongst christians, if we stop accusing eachother, we will go far.
..urartu was the assyrian word for our country..but for us it was always called haik. also, both urartu and iberians are the descendants of the caucasian hurrians.
Ohh..ok i see. no you misunderstood. i didn't say laz were turks, i said like the hamsheni (pontic armenians) the laz were forced to abandon their christian faith because of the invador. then i said that both we armenians and the georgians will get justice, i was not inculting the laz people, i was praising them. i think we are still brothers to this day. btw, the abkhaz mistreat the armenians there too.
well the first part you said was right..the second still does not make chronological sense. armenians did not come with alex the great from the balkans, his empire existed for only 7 years, not long enough for somone to migrate and 'steal culture, language and tradition'. and genetic tests on armenians today has made the link with Urartu. this isn't even debated amongst scholars, just racist baffoons on the internet. just accept the fact. if anything armenian presence in kavkaz is the oldest
about which genetic test did you talking about? maybe Alexes empire exsisted only 7 years but the migrated peoples like "balkans", "macedonians" were stayed there...
well..look...his empire reached all the way to india,..there is no greek community there today. there was a greco-bactrian empire in modern afganistan, but the population was not greek but iranid. alright, so how do you feel about turks making videos like this superimposing their turkic crescents to our christian crosses?
Georgians from Turkey fight with us against russians!!!!!!!!!!!! Dont betray us like United states and europe!!!!! We need in your help!!!!!!!!!! we are one nation!!!!!!!!!!!!
congradulations to laz and chveneburi people who kept the georgian cultur so high afther so much senturis in turkey and maybe when georgia is reddy for it you can return!
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Optimist225 9 months ago
GEORGIANS ARE NO TURKS! REMEMBER TURKS KILLED OUR PEOPLE OF GEORGIA! HOW CAN U BE UNITED TO A COUNTRY WICH KILLED AND STOLE MANY WOMEN OF GEORGIA? SEARCH ON WIKIPEDIA: caucasian white.
IT REFERS TO CAUCASIAN (georgian aspeccialy). All europe (turkey too) has georgian blood, why you think spain an portugl is called iberian isle? Iberian people are early georgians. They migrated there. Most of the half people there have geo blood.
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MrZemour 2 years ago 4
Beautiful Video.
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Glory to all Georgians that live outside Georgia!!!
Georgians will always remain Georgians despite where they live!!!
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Cocus99999 3 years ago
legendgurcu delete all this idiotism please tired of this gypsy armenians everywhere they have to put their nose
Cocus99999 3 years ago
to hosank this is very beautiful video about Georgia so please do not write ur political views here go and spoil armenian videos if u want nobody is intrested in ur politics and dirty way of life here
Cocus99999 3 years ago
ra ari eg samaia indoelebidan gadmoghebuli mgonia, ra pormebi da khelia datcherili (1:45). gonze modit kartvelebo, mgoni asimilireba khdeba arevis miznit...
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Cool, real mem song
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Cocus99999 3 years ago
Beautiful sound. 5 stars. Where can I find the lyrics or the significance of the song?
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OlehVn 3 years ago 5
hmm laz right? turk0-muslim georgians...
like hamsheni muslims armenians..
one day, our homelands will be returned
hosank 3 years ago
yes, laz people! armenians are the indo european peoples who made the part of Alexandre's army and who defeated urartu empire. and right now you are sayng that they were your incesteurs... turko-muslim georgians does not exsist because turkomans are the nomad people camed from azie and georgians are old caucassians! i respect armenians but not the liers! sorry
irakliauf 3 years ago
lol..you do realise that your timeline is wrong? Urartu existed 1000 years before alexander the great right? so what you said doesn't even make sense. armenians are the direct descendants of Urartu..which was not destroyed by alexander, but by the meds and assyrians. so likewise..i don't respect liers either..or historical revisionists like yourself..so get your story straight then make judgements
hosank 3 years ago
great LOL.... Urartu like a great comunnity exsisted from 11-09crs to 590y B.J.C. they were annexed by Midia forces but they were exterminated under greek domination by the alexanders forces, who supported "Balkan" gipsies(armenians)in the region. it means that you are not the descendent of Urartu, you are balkan gipsies who exterminate the afaibled Urartu... it is not the same! your history like of warior gipsies is starting from 610 b.J.C. and Urartu's finished on 590 b.J.C.
irakliauf 3 years ago
you simply took the culture, languige and civilisation of this region like Osse and other peoples migrated in caucasse...
irakliauf 3 years ago
the ossets migrated less than a thousand years ago..armenians have been there for 4000 years. and you have no real evidence to disprove the fact that armenians and their ancestors have lived here since antiquity the language spoken by armenians today is somewhat different from urartu. and then what's your point? europeans came to america 600 years ago, turks came from central asia, and azeri turks have been in the caucasus for only 200 years..so go write on their pages.
hosank 3 years ago
i wrotte you because you touched laze people and their history with ironie... and i'm writting on the pages of turkoamn's too don't care about... at seconde i'm not racist! i do not want to dispute with you right now because georgians and armenians were the brothers during the centuries but today everything that they are doing and do in abkhazia is inexcusable. i have my point with my arguments about your incesteurs and about Urartu people!
irakliauf 3 years ago
i have a big respect for your nation and history but you are not the descendents of Urartu.
irakliauf 3 years ago
yes. but what is urartu? urartu was a confederation of nations. you had the nayiri, the armens, the haiks. now, some greek guy in antiquity said that the armen tribe was originally illyrian, so that's why people to this day think that, but its not true, they are anatolians. the reason why we say 'armenia' today, is because the armen nobility took control of urartu from the haiks (haik, or hayastan is the armenian name for armenia) but they were just tribes of the same race. Urartu is an assyrian
hosank 3 years ago
offcourse, the history that we are learning is based on the old documents that "some guys" wrotte at once. and at seconde if armenian people asserved urartu it does not means that you are their incesteurs... it's what i said exsactly: you are not from this lands, armenians were un trybe gimpsy and they got the control on the urartu lands after the greek domination... and the point of this domination was Alex... i know that urartu is the assirian name and that their real name was "Biainils"...
irakliauf 3 years ago
lol tu fais expres? regarde, alexandre le grand a envahi le caucause en 332331 BC, la premiere fois que l'on a utilisé le mot"armenie" etait par les perse en l'an 440 bc, soit 110 ans avant alexandre. alors ne me dis pas que les armeniens sont venu avec alexandre. encore, le non armenien 'haik' est encore plus vieux, depuis 2100 bc. maintenant apres 4 mille ans, tu vas me dire qu'on a pas droit a cette terre? pour laquelle on nous a tué pendant 3000 ans? pour laquelle on a resisté tantd'ivasi
hosank 3 years ago
je ne dit pas que vous etez venu avec alexandre, mais vous etiez un bon point de sutien dans le region pour lui, et ce a cette period la que vous avez reussi de battre le people d'Urartu afaibli par midia. mais qui vous dit que vous ne meritez pas ces terres? moi je suis tt a fait d'acord que vous soyez nos voisins. mais il faut avouer vos origins c'est tout.
irakliauf 3 years ago
tu viens juste de me dire que nous sommes venu des balkans avec alexandre? quelles origines, je t'explique nos origines. les armeniens d'aujourd'hui habitent dans le caucase (et jusquen 1915) en anatolie orientale depuis des millenaires. d'ailleurs notre sang est le même depuis 10 mille ans. (evidemment je ne dis pas que l'armenie a 10 mille ans, mais)..c'est la même chose pour vous, la georgie n'existait pas avant, il y avait colchis et l'iberie. nous c'était urartu.
hosank 3 years ago
mais bon je ne veut pas de dispute et on s'arret la stp. parce que nous avons simplement differents points de vue, et differents maniers de voir le monde alors c'est normal que ce que est normal pour oi ne l'es pas pour moi...
irakliauf 3 years ago
d'accord, mais il n'y a pas 2 façons de consevoir l'histoire. regarde, c'est un georgien, Thomas Gamkrelidze, qui dit ca lol. plustot regarde à la droite..en azerbaijan, dis moi, tu as déja vu ce non sur une carte avant 1919? ...maintenant parles-moi de la bierre georgienne
hosank 3 years ago
mais le problem ce que il y a des sources historiques qui disent que vous venez pas de ce terres et vous dite que vous etez de cette terre... ca va... et se qui concerne a la nationalite de Gamkhrelidze, Stalin aussi etait un georgian mais ils nous a bien fait 4 genocide par siecle...
irakliauf 3 years ago
c'est vrai..staline...peut-être pas la meilleure exportation de géorgie lol. "in 440 BC the Armenioi were armed like the Phrygians.[27][28][29] The Graeco-Armenian hypothesis is a possible ancestry of the Armenian people, but it is as of yet, not a certain theory." les phrygiens étaient un peuple européen en anatolie centrale..donc pas les balkans. mais ce ne sont pas de sources académiques mais des hypothèses crééent en l'antiquité par des phylosphes grecques, et non des historiens
hosank 3 years ago
frenchement on s'arret la parce que il y des differents sources, qui prouve les differens facts. dans se period la le migrations etait fort et si tu veut la verité on peut croire que le sujet n'est pas bien recherché...
irakliauf 3 years ago
'theory suggested by Thomas Gamkrelidze and Vyacheslav V. Ivanov in 1984 places the Proto-Indo-European homeland in the Armenian Highland, see Armenian hypothesis, which would entail the presence of (pre-)Proto-Armenians in the area during the entire lifetime of the Urartian state.' evidemment les arméniens aujourd'hui sont differents des urartiens, nous sommes chrétiens, nous parlons une langue differente, etc...mais ils sont quand même nos ancêtres, leur sang coule dans nos veines.
hosank 3 years ago
si vous parler une langue differents langues comment ils sont vos insetres je ne peut pas comprendre car en Iberie ils parlais la georgien d'aujord'hui (mais biensur avec qq differents dialectique) et dans le Colchis ils parlais la langue des Lazes. se que les documents et facts historiques prouve....
irakliauf 3 years ago
ouais mas la langue de l'iberie..ca date du moyen age si tu veux..mais on ne parlais pas le georgien moderne il y a 3 mille ans je suppose. par exemple, les italiens d'aujourd,hui ne parlent pas le latin nestpas? deplus, l'armenien d'aujourd'hui n'est surement pas la meme que Urartu..mais a la fin, du a mal compris, je n'ai pas insulté les Laz, j'ai dit, que comme les armeniens de ponte (les hamshen) nous avont été turquifié de force, islamisé, et un jour nous retrouversons justice...
hosank 3 years ago
bah ce se que je dit.. avec les differents dialectique....... parce que meme le georgian de 5 siecle de A.J.C. on as mal a comprendre mais on le comprend. mais georgien d'haujerdhui vien de ce iberian georgian. c'es une base.
irakliauf 3 years ago
mais biensur, je ne dit pas que c'est faut..l'arménien d'il y a 1000 ans ce comprend toujours (et il est encore utilisé à la messe)..mais la langue d'il y a 4000 ans, to comprends que ca evolue..et que juste parce que les arméniens modernes ne parlement pas l'urartien courrament ne veut pas dire que nous sommes étrangers
hosank 3 years ago
bah comme tu dit il n'y a pas de 2 facons pour voir l'histoire.... et les greques disent que vous ne venez pas de la... le bierre georgien? bah il est assez delicieux, frenchement je l'aime plus que celui de l'allemagne ou celle de Cheque...
irakliauf 3 years ago
les grecques..qui passaient leurs temps à enculer des petits garcons? lool..hehe...bah, surement mieu que la pisse qu'ils appellent la bière russe, mais plus que l'allemande? là il faut goûter pour etre sur
hosank 3 years ago
mdr... bah je t'inviterais bien chez moi mais domage que j'habite en france en se moment.
irakliauf 3 years ago
ah..seulement une bière, ah les pauvres..lool..mais au moins vous evez du bon vin. ah, ma maison est just acoté du plus vieux verger du monde hehe. nous aussi, nous avons du bon vin. nous avons aussi de la vodka au fruits, et bien sur le fameux cognac arménien. tu restes ou en france? et ou en georgie? de rien, je vais peut-etre faire un tour en georgie cet été
hosank 3 years ago
pareil... nous aussi on fait du bon vodka de fruit mais le Vin et du Bierre sont encore de meilleur qualité chez nous. perssonellement je pense continuer la vie en georgie mais pas tt de suite. je me prepare pour fair les etudes. et quand je disas "chez moi" je voulais dire en georgie.. et pourquoi derien? tu m'as rien proposé....
irakliauf 3 years ago
c'est du français canadien...je veux dire: pas de probleme. non je sais que chez toi c'est la georgie, mais je demandais dans quelle ville en france vis-tu? et ou vivais-tu en georgie? tiflis? tu fais quoi comme études..moi aussi..ecoutes, si tous les arméniens quittent l'arménie, il ne restera plus d'arménie, et les turques auraient vaincu. looll
hosank 3 years ago
MDR. mais je ne dit pas que les armeniens deuvrais quitter l'armenie.. tt au contraire. j'habite a paris... il y bcp des georgiens de canada?
irakliauf 3 years ago
non je sais, mais je dis que comme toi, nous avons un devoir patriotique de retourner à la patrie. mm...bah, pas autant que d'arméniens, il doit y avoir au moins 100 000 arméniens au canada (la plus part sont descendants des arméniens occidentaux,survivants du génocide de 1915), peut eutre 2 ou 3 mille georgiens...il y a une fille a deux rues de chez moi qui est géorgienne.
hosank 3 years ago
c'est vrai? nous c'est pareil on sais que on doir y retourner. et c'est pour ca je hain les empires.
irakliauf 3 years ago
ouais, spéciallement pour nous, car nous ne sommes pas immigrants, mais exilés...on nous a enlevé de nos terres, on a essayé de nous exterminer...ouais, mais il doit aussi y avoir 500 000 arméniens en france je crois jai des cousins la bas
hosank 3 years ago
oui.. pareille pour les georgiens.. dans le perse il y a 5 000 000 georgien aujeurd'hui parce que le Chah a bas les a fait immigrer danls region qui s'appel Pereidan. bon je doit y aller mon Hosank, j'aimerais bien continuer la discusion mais pas de temps.. aller bonsoiréé.
irakliauf 3 years ago
a la prochaine
hosank 3 years ago
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Cocus99999 3 years ago
i'll write back anyways: there have been armenians in georgia for thousands of years, and georgians (still) in armenia. there are also azeris, lezgin, udi, chechen, abkhaz ossets in georgia, do you want them to leave too?..before there was no border between georgia and armenia, we had the same royalty and same church...this is new..
hosank 3 years ago
honcak I have armenian friends and actually a lot of them but problem cocuss is talkin about is that armenians put knives in georgians back everytime something went wrong.
you cant take abkhazyan war as an example. I know you will telk me that tale about armenian villiges getin attacked by georgians and became victims of civil war. Even if it happened be man enough and act like Georgian if you live on this land and number one rule now and always for georgians is we sink and rise togather.
losdruid 3 years ago
well yes of course i agree, but...i'm sure you will not deny that during the abkhaz/ossetic war in 1994, it was in the middle of a civil war between georgians...and other georgians. now again, and let this be clear. i am not accusing the georgian national army of crimes against armenians. i am saying many georgian militiamen from god knows what faction, did not act in a civilised manor, and unfortunately, that turned an ally against you.
hosank 3 years ago
In Abkhazia war, Georgians didn't do genocide oF Armenians..
and Armenians did genocide oF Georgian peaceFull civillians.. and they took money For this..
when they came in villages.. they killed only Georgian nation people..
chutxaro 2 years ago
what genocide?..the abkhaz are the ones who kicked out the georgian civilians, not the armenians. armenians only fought because both the abkhaz and the georgians wer attacking them, even though they had nothing to do with this war.
hosank 2 years ago
Abkhazians did ethnic cleaning oF Georgians..
and Armenians did Genocide..
what genocide?..
do u know what is genocide?..
chutxaro 2 years ago
yes i know what genocide is, ask my grandfather, he would know..oh wait..he's dead.
2: do you know what genocide is? premeditated elimination of a people/nation from a land...there are only 40 000 armenians in abkhazia...we are the smallest ethnic group..how can we possibly organise the "genocide" of 350 000 georgians??...it was the abkhaz. and you know what, if gamshaxurdia was not such an idiot, there woudl not have been a war in the first place.
hosank 2 years ago
this wasn't necessary that 350 000 Georgian must be killed For genocide..
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why u insult Gamsakhurdia?.. Gamsakhurdia didn't started this war..
why u hate this man?..
chutxaro 2 years ago
1. i didn't say 350 000 georgians were killed, i said that they were ethnically cleansed, BY THE ABKHAZ. 2. ..are you not georgian?>>.not only did gamshaxurdia start the war, he also killed tens of thousands of georgians. (did you forget there was a civil war in georgia between GEORGIAN shevernadze supporters and GEORGIAN gamshaxurdia supporters..gamshaxurdia played right into the russian trap.
hosank 2 years ago
Gamsakhurdia was throw dawn by Russia.. Gamsakhurdia's supporters were deFending himselF From bandits..
many Gamsakhurdia's supporter were killed by this bandits.. and there was people who didn't love Gamsakhurdia.. because KGB was spreading lies about him.. and part oF people didn't like Gamsakhurdia..
chutxaro 2 years ago 2
yes, but gamshaxurdia also made many mistakes in his interior policy. ok, he was nationalist, but that is not excuse for reducing the rights of ethnic minorities, and taking away their autonomous status. had this not happened, the abkhaz would not have been provoked, and would not have asked russia for help. also, the armenians in abkhazia were fighting with the georgian army till gamshaxurdias militias started raiding armenian villages. had this not happened, georgia would have won
hosank 2 years ago
he was nationalist.. but he never insulted any other nation in Georgia.. and this Fact didn't like Russia..
this war was started by Russia's agents.. Jaba Ioseliani and Tengiz Kitovani.. Gamsakhurdia didn't stated war.. war started aFter persecution oF Gamsakhurdia..
Kitovani and Ioseliani kicked out Gamsakhurdia and started war..
chutxaro 2 years ago
well if that is true, than it does not excuse him, because it means he is weak, and he let himself be dragged into a war which, had he been a smart, and strong leader he could have stopped. if he really cared about the minorities, he would have found a way to get them to live in peace. but it was not loseliani or who ever who took away the autonomous status of abkhazia, it was gamshaxurdia, by presidential decree.
hosank 2 years ago
Gamsakhurdia was poet, scientist. patriot..
He was weak leader.. Because he was humanist.. he didn't want kill bandits.. who were enemies oF them and enemies oF Georgia.. and this was reason why he trew dawn..
Abkhazian side declared independent oF Abkhazia.. they didn't want ''autonomy''..
chutxaro 2 years ago
and what about ''cared about the minorities''?..
all the minority nation always was in Georgia as Georgians.. they never be restructed..
Armenians said something about this to u?..
chutxaro 2 years ago
i know, but, had gamshaxurdia not declared the rights of ALL minorities (including udi, armenian,s abkhazz, ossets,) to be null, and allowed the abkhaz to have autonomy within georgia, they would not have declared independence. i mean look, in jaxakhk 95% of the population are armenians, but they did not declare themselves independent. but the ossets and abkhaz did,..you see, had the georgian government been smart about this,(and not fought a civil war against EACHOTHER)..ther would be peace
hosank 2 years ago
this autonomies was created by USSR.. in the time oF USSR did everithing Russia.. Georgia couldn't to do nothing..
in Achara there created autonomy.. but Acharian people didn't want this..
Russia needed ConFlict zones in Georgia.. and they did all this..
now Russia want to say Armenians in Samtskhe-Javakheti about autonomy.. But Armenians say nothing..
they have them fatherlend in south..
chutxaro 2 years ago
well, i think armenians need some guarentee as a national minority, but its true, we don't do much. but when sakaashvili came to power, he restored abkhazias status as an autonomous oblast, (but at that time it was already too late)...had gamshaxurdia not done it in the first place, it would not have given russia the excuse to get involved as you said.
hosank 2 years ago
how many other nations live in other countries.. and all they must be declare autonomy?..
nation.. who has his own country.. can't declare autonomy in other country..
Ossetians and Chechens (kists).. were settled in Georgia 200 years ago..
But Kists don't want autonomy.. because they know that them land is in north caucasus..
Ossetian autonomy created Russia.. Georgia don't wanted this.. But at this time Georgia was under the Russia..
chutxaro 2 years ago
Abkhazians didn't wanted autonomy in Gamsakhurdia's time.. Gamsakhurdia was agree about autonomy oF Abkhazia.. Because Abkhazians haven't other land.. unlike Ossetians..
chutxaro 2 years ago
yes, but abkhazians have lived in abkhazia for thousands of years. the only reason abkhazia was part of georgia, is because the abkhaz queen married the bagration king of georgia in the middle ages, but the abkhaz are a distinct people, why should they not be allowed to at least have SOME degree of autonomy?
hosank 2 years ago
Abkhazia was Georgia's territory more early time than middle ages..
I agree autonomy oF Abkhazia.. but not Ossetia and Achara..
chutxaro 2 years ago 2
but you know what i mean: even if they were merged with the georgian kingdom, they remain their own nation: they arn't ethnic georgians, and have their own culture and everything
well ajars are georgians, they are the same people. ..and the majority of ossets came from north ossetia during soviet times. ..but armenians have been living in georgia for over 1000 years.
hosank 2 years ago
Abkhazians are other nation.. I know.. but this territory wasn't only oF them..
yes.. Armenians are living in Georgia maybe more than 1 000 years..
But not all.. some is settled aFter genocide..
u want to say they must be declare autonomy?..
chutxaro 2 years ago
no, but their national patrimony should be preserved. we have had a long history in georgia, and we have always been helpful in the nation building of your country, so i think our rights as an armenian minority should be recognised. i think the armenian dioscese should be recognised in owning our churches in georgia, like before soviet times, and maybe tiblisi should either help take care of the situation in javakhk, or let the armenians do it themselves, but at least do something.
hosank 2 years ago
I live in Tbilisi and there are a lot oF Armenians.. and they had them own surnames and they are blessing in them churches..
and what about Samtskhe- Javakheti.. iF they think that Georgia is poor country.. they can live in other country.. where they will be happy..
Javakheti is Georgia and no one autonomy never will be there.. iF they don't like Javakheti.. they can to live everywhere..
chutxaro 2 years ago
even the georgians in javakhk arn't happy with it. its not like the armenians want to leave, but, there is 1 road in javakhk, and in the winter, it is snowed over. few people have jobs (before the only thing was the russian base)..and the government didn't even try and bring in economic insentives, and they arrested the armenians who wanted to do it for themselves. and that "go live elsewhere" attitude is usually how you start civil wars..remember (you had two of them.)
hosank 2 years ago
in my homeland is more big problems.. in Javakheti is better road than there.. and job nothing too.. really.. without lies..
and tell me reason why u threat to me by war?..
chutxaro 2 years ago
threatening by war??..,are you not listening? i'm talking about peace.
and ok, if there are so many problems in the rest of georgia, then why doesn't the government allow armenian NGOs to work in javakhk, that way, it will be a load of the government's back.
hosank 2 years ago
this government wants to do capital road beetwen Armenia and black sea.. and this road will be trough Javakheti..
chutxaro 2 years ago
ya i heard that..
and i'm happy. it's about time relations got better
hosank 2 years ago
I think diFFerent..
we will have war against Russia.. and there is Russian military base in Armenia..
and Russian tanks are always ready to crush Georgia..
chutxaro 2 years ago
I think Georgian - Armenian relations are good..
as I think Georgia is good neighbor For Armenia.. : )
chutxaro 2 years ago
the russian base is only there as part of a defence agreement on the turkey-armenia border. in last summer's war, armenia forbade russian flights from armenia to bomb georgia, because armenia remained neutral. not only that, armenia took in georgian refugees from Gori, and from the villages around there...so..your problems with russia re not our problem, we don't get involved.
hosank 2 years ago
yes but aircraFt were Flew From Giumri military base.. and Azerbaijan..
I know Armenians didn't wanted this.. But Russia haven't politeness..
I hoped this reason don't brake this road project..
chutxaro 2 years ago
you're talking about the bombing of Marneuli. the thing about the aircraft coming from gyumri was azeri propaganda (they tried to stop sakaashvili's visit to yerevan by saying the planes came from armenia) even though radar proved they came from socci. and thankfully the road project didn't stop so we're goodl
hosank 2 years ago
what??? you gave russia the air to bomb georgia
marigeorgia11 2 years ago
niet, that was an azeri news network that reported that first. you can find it on the internet: the azeri FM called sakaashvili naive for going to armenia after claiming that the armenians had bombed the marneuli air base. under the CSTO treaty, armenia had no obligation to russia because, abkhazia and ossetia are not recognised by armenia as being CIS countries, and the war does not count as a georgian agression against russia
hosank 2 years ago
you see, the problem is that crazy people like gamshaxurdia took power, and had policies which did not include minorities such as ossets and abkhaz (or other georgians for that matter, since there was a civil war). and unfortunately, this gave pretext for crazy fanatic leaders in suxumi or tskinvali to take up arms, and do terrible things, like the ethnic cleansing of 250 000 georgians from abkhazia. we were coughtbetween u now, amongst christians, if we stop accusing eachother, we will go far.
hosank 3 years ago
..urartu was the assyrian word for our country..but for us it was always called haik. also, both urartu and iberians are the descendants of the caucasian hurrians.
hosank 3 years ago
Ohh..ok i see. no you misunderstood. i didn't say laz were turks, i said like the hamsheni (pontic armenians) the laz were forced to abandon their christian faith because of the invador. then i said that both we armenians and the georgians will get justice, i was not inculting the laz people, i was praising them. i think we are still brothers to this day. btw, the abkhaz mistreat the armenians there too.
hosank 3 years ago
well the first part you said was right..the second still does not make chronological sense. armenians did not come with alex the great from the balkans, his empire existed for only 7 years, not long enough for somone to migrate and 'steal culture, language and tradition'. and genetic tests on armenians today has made the link with Urartu. this isn't even debated amongst scholars, just racist baffoons on the internet. just accept the fact. if anything armenian presence in kavkaz is the oldest
hosank 3 years ago
about which genetic test did you talking about? maybe Alexes empire exsisted only 7 years but the migrated peoples like "balkans", "macedonians" were stayed there...
irakliauf 3 years ago
well..look...his empire reached all the way to india,..there is no greek community there today. there was a greco-bactrian empire in modern afganistan, but the population was not greek but iranid. alright, so how do you feel about turks making videos like this superimposing their turkic crescents to our christian crosses?
hosank 3 years ago
martla too ra pontiaa turkebiss enblemaa tsss heeee ra kaci una iyo too
delir76 3 years ago
Georgians from Turkey fight with us against russians!!!!!!!!!!!! Dont betray us like United states and europe!!!!! We need in your help!!!!!!!!!! we are one nation!!!!!!!!!!!!
vaxa777 3 years ago
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haha
kaboogaus 3 years ago
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Ha-ha, yor are all looser!
sasha2007kaz 3 years ago
visac guli gizgert samshoblistvis, samshoblosken .qartvels aseti bilcsitkvaoba ar sheshvenis gons modit qartvelno.kvelani gmertisken
opizari 3 years ago 5
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turkebis dedas cheveci,da kvela im kacis vinc mat miscems padejkas,turkebi ikvnen kartvelebis mtrebi da arian kidec,magati dedas cheveci,da magari kle klipia,ra pontia turkebis enmblema??
xevsurigio2008 3 years ago
god bless u our georgian wolves brothern
malekshishani 3 years ago 4
SIMONA DOLIDZE
mexashe 3 years ago
super! this goes strait in the blood! Isn't this Georgian? Assssssaaaaaa!
KAVKAZ4EVER!
nurlan01lezgi 3 years ago 4
congradulations to laz and chveneburi people who kept the georgian cultur so high afther so much senturis in turkey and maybe when georgia is reddy for it you can return!
sandrowar 3 years ago 3
AAAssa hhop
azzat92 3 years ago
icocxlet giurjebooo!!!! magari xalxi xart ro sheinarchunet tradiciebi. gaixaret!!!!!!
AndersonaGEO 3 years ago 2
gaixaret lazebo tradiciebis shenarchunebistvis da mag tbili gulebistvis!!!
natiaaa 3 years ago 2
Красота!!!
IstvanStefan 3 years ago 2
chveneburebo, mikvarxart! saqatvelos shvilebs gaumarjot aqeta da iqita saqartveloshi! chegepurchqnet kiashi:)
geus1 4 years ago 4
mec saqartvelo menatreba
nedimparlar 4 years ago 3
Dzmebo,turqetis qartvelebo!
Kobuletely 4 years ago 2
go on georgians!
simona dolidze d:
Saqartvelotan 4 years ago 2
SAKARTVELOS GAUMARKOS ae rogor menatreba
vardishvili27 4 years ago
this is Georgian no adige madige here:)
gio9988 4 years ago 2
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you got something to say to adiga ppl? say it now, because you dont want me to be critical on georgians, and i know alot of things about you
Sawserok 4 years ago
güzel bi çalışma teşekkürler paylaşımın için.tüm halklar kardeştir..
korusular 4 years ago
cota ragacnairi qartuli iyo:)) magram video kargi gamovida!! sagol:)
nAvigAciA 4 years ago
waynakh........ worapsow adige
worapsow 4 years ago
au ra kaiaaaa, saqartvelo menatreba!!!!!
elene1808 4 years ago
turkgurcu
legendgurcu 4 years ago
It's not fucking Turkish but Kartuli!
dalotsvilisakartvelo 4 years ago 2
gmertma gagimarjos legendgurcu!
Good job
Tamu0Geo 4 years ago
:) KARTVELEBS GAUMARJOS
ultrasinter 4 years ago
Gamarcobat kartvelebo....
legendgurcu 4 years ago