Medical procedure for obesity: Put carcass on metal table,and with large knives..., proceed to cut off large slabs of fat off the carcass and cut your way towards the stomach. Then, as the slabs of fat are removed, fold the stomach membrane in two and staple. Fold back the remains of the meat back into place and sow. Voila! let the cadaver sit in place for several weeks and continue basing with fresh blood until it begins to move.
It's interesting how they keep trying to use business models. It's counterintuitive. In the health care industry, your customers are sick people. Success means having fewer customers, not more. If you run a hospital and your business is booming with repeat customers...you are failing at your job. In such a situation where the GOAL is lots of bored doctors with tons of free time on their hands, it's best to spread the cost around as much as possible. Just like the fire department, police, etc...
I fail to see your point? A volunteer fire department survives only as long as funds are received from the areas which they serve and through grant money from the state or federal government. No matter how you slice it, they still need to pay for all their gear, electricity, fuel, emergency vehicles, and upkeep on the fire house. Regardless, would it really matter whether the money that paid for the service came from 5 miles away instead of 500 miles away? It's still a shared expense.
Just another fanatic of the capitalist religion trying to keep his failed dream alive in a post-recession world. Ideally I would say "grow the fuck up" but he obviously wouldn't listen.
And so they might, but even in the among individuals of outstanding ethical and moral standards, they WILL disagree. I agree, force should be avoided, but a full agreement on a new environment tax? Hell, there are probably people around whod think bridges and streets should be privatized, that the government has no right to tax whatsoever, that it barely has a right to exist.
European countries spend much less in healthcare than the US, yet they provide a better and universal service.
Isn't that idiot aware of that? Or is he just trying to convince others to work for HIS interests?
I don't understand that obsession with the free market, as if every single human problem could be solved by letting ultra-rich companies exploit the system as they want.
Isn't one financial crisis enough for those retards?
Yes, let us all blame the government when privatized health care fails.
USA, the only country in the civilized west without universal health care, also the western country with the lowest life expectancy. Correlation anyone?
Last I had seen, we were like 42nd from the top at about 78 years...soundly trounced by countries like Canada, Sweden, Israel, Germany, Iceland, Spain, Switzerland, Japan, etc...
Cool! She lived 5 months longer than she would have had she had an actual health care emergency.
Living in the US with private health insurance, I had to wait more than 14 months (and pay more than $4000 in premiums) for my appointment. So forgive me if I don't feel too bad for your mom. Besides, unless your mom died while waiting for the appointment, how does this relate to a comment on life expectancy?
Life expectancy was the topic I was commenting on... I replied to dhushw's statement about the US having the highest life expectancy (which is a blatant fabrication).
Statistics for the life expectancy of those with treatable illnesses, are irrelivant because most illnesses are both treatable and not life threatening.
It's odd that you would take issue with Sweden's health care system as it is touted as one of the best examples of how the system should be run. Is the best not good enough?
Pretending like Sweden is a flowery utopia? Every ranking I have seen for health care systems has Sweden beating out the US by a significant margin.
Sure, it's is not perfect... probably far from it. But for 45% of the people in my country, far from perfect is better then the crippling system they have now. Some people in Sweden might get pushed to the back of the line, but we have millions of people who can't even get into the line.
Even if your mother was murdered by the Swedish health care gestapo it wouldn't make a difference. Universal healthcare systems have the highest life expectancies.
And please do explain your stupid point further. What, she waited five monts for a doctors appointment? Or did you cloak your argument so it would be interpreted by Repiblicans as proof? You are a shame for Scandinavia.
And to Mastikator, I agree that other factors need to be taken into account, but bringing up other flaws in the American systems is hardly an argument for continuing along the same line. The US has the most crime, highest murder rate, highest prison population per capita and lowest life expectancy of any other western nation. A simple Google search will confirm this. How do you justify that?
I'm not trying to justify high murder rates, high imprisonment rates ect. I'm saying those are just as important factors as health care. You can't just look at some random numbers and conclude forever and ever that state controlled health care is a magical unicorn that will save everybody and solve every problem.
I was referring to your statement: "Life expectancy is really not the statistic you should look at since it's heaily affected by many other factors, like violent crime."
And what do you think is the best way of looking at it, because the only other arguments that comes up these days are the "death panels", and the "decrease in freedom".
Life expectancy of cancer struck people, and people struck by other diseases.
Statistics that aren't tainted by a million other variables.
I mean really, do you have any idea of how unscientific it is to just look at one set of statistics that is affected by a longer list of variables than the list of produced results, and blame the whole thing on ONE singular variable.
And then the left go around thinking only they understand science. Fucking obnoxious.
That's a honest question. American's get shot more than people of other countries which has a negative affect on our life spans. We're also fatter and smoke more. Our life span is not a medical failure. Its a lifestyle and criminal justice failure.
Fee for service doesn't work for catastrophic unforeseen circumstances. Hospitals charge thousands of dollars per day just to sit in a bed, only a small minority can afford that. Insurance is necessary for most in this environment and the only issue there is to discuss is whether private HMO based insurance or public Medicare style insurance is the right way to do it.
That said, why not let the states try both approaches out and see what really works?
the prblem with medicare is that they pay whatver they're asked. the pharmazy lobby is the problem EVERYONE KNOWS THIS! no one can do anything about it because they're protected by the fuicking government.
Wow, this guy should have really rehearsed his talk. Maybe if he did that he'd understand how stupid and incomprehensible it is. Utter white noise and complete arse gravy.
Medical procedure for obesity: Put carcass on metal table,and with large knives..., proceed to cut off large slabs of fat off the carcass and cut your way towards the stomach. Then, as the slabs of fat are removed, fold the stomach membrane in two and staple. Fold back the remains of the meat back into place and sow. Voila! let the cadaver sit in place for several weeks and continue basing with fresh blood until it begins to move.
Jai666666666 1 year ago
Being OVERCHARGED for nurses and doctors who do NOTHING, might be part of the problem.
I'd just assume go to a Shaman or a army medic for healthcare. At least I'd know what I was paying for.
Anjimom 2 years ago
Look at Sweden's military. Look at the USA's military.
Look at Sweden's healthcare, now imagine what healthcare could be if the US government ran it.
mark1m 2 years ago
It's interesting how they keep trying to use business models. It's counterintuitive. In the health care industry, your customers are sick people. Success means having fewer customers, not more. If you run a hospital and your business is booming with repeat customers...you are failing at your job. In such a situation where the GOAL is lots of bored doctors with tons of free time on their hands, it's best to spread the cost around as much as possible. Just like the fire department, police, etc...
CharlesVarney 2 years ago
The majority of fire departments in USA are volunary and not state controlled. Not at all like police and school (and soon health care).
Mastikator 2 years ago
I fail to see your point? A volunteer fire department survives only as long as funds are received from the areas which they serve and through grant money from the state or federal government. No matter how you slice it, they still need to pay for all their gear, electricity, fuel, emergency vehicles, and upkeep on the fire house. Regardless, would it really matter whether the money that paid for the service came from 5 miles away instead of 500 miles away? It's still a shared expense.
CharlesVarney 2 years ago
Just another fanatic of the capitalist religion trying to keep his failed dream alive in a post-recession world. Ideally I would say "grow the fuck up" but he obviously wouldn't listen.
blackiron60 2 years ago
"Just another fanatic of the capitalist religion.."
What religion do you practice? democratic socialism?
I'm all for socialism, but only if all participants are voluntary.
roberto8ag 2 years ago 2
"if all participants are voluntary." All? I think it will be quit hard to get anything done.
wimscheers 2 years ago
"All? I think it will be quit hard to get anything done."
Hola,
I do believe that associations that hold high ethical standards (e.g. no coercion) thrive better than those who don't in the long run.
roberto8ag 2 years ago
And so they might, but even in the among individuals of outstanding ethical and moral standards, they WILL disagree. I agree, force should be avoided, but a full agreement on a new environment tax? Hell, there are probably people around whod think bridges and streets should be privatized, that the government has no right to tax whatsoever, that it barely has a right to exist.
wimscheers 2 years ago
European countries spend much less in healthcare than the US, yet they provide a better and universal service.
Isn't that idiot aware of that? Or is he just trying to convince others to work for HIS interests?
I don't understand that obsession with the free market, as if every single human problem could be solved by letting ultra-rich companies exploit the system as they want.
Isn't one financial crisis enough for those retards?
JennyFarlopez 2 years ago 3
Yes, let us all blame the government when privatized health care fails.
USA, the only country in the civilized west without universal health care, also the western country with the lowest life expectancy. Correlation anyone?
stengevarsel 2 years ago
ignoring accidental death(Things health care doesn't affect anyway) the US has the highest life expectancy.
dhushw 2 years ago
I've never had someone using astronomical murder rates and unsubstantiated assumptions as a positive argument before. Interesting. Please, continue.
stengevarsel 2 years ago
Last I had seen, we were like 42nd from the top at about 78 years...soundly trounced by countries like Canada, Sweden, Israel, Germany, Iceland, Spain, Switzerland, Japan, etc...
CharlesVarney 2 years ago 2
I live in Sweden.
My mom had to wait 5 months for health care appointment.
I hope you enjoy getting universal non-healthcare.
Mastikator 2 years ago
Cool! She lived 5 months longer than she would have had she had an actual health care emergency.
Living in the US with private health insurance, I had to wait more than 14 months (and pay more than $4000 in premiums) for my appointment. So forgive me if I don't feel too bad for your mom. Besides, unless your mom died while waiting for the appointment, how does this relate to a comment on life expectancy?
CharlesVarney 2 years ago
Life expectancy is really not the statistic you should look at since it's heaily affected by many other factors, like violent crime.
The statistics you should look at are the life expectancy of those WITH treatable illnessess.
Mastikator 2 years ago
Life expectancy was the topic I was commenting on... I replied to dhushw's statement about the US having the highest life expectancy (which is a blatant fabrication).
Statistics for the life expectancy of those with treatable illnesses, are irrelivant because most illnesses are both treatable and not life threatening.
It's odd that you would take issue with Sweden's health care system as it is touted as one of the best examples of how the system should be run. Is the best not good enough?
CharlesVarney 2 years ago
Pretending like Sweden is a flowery Utopia without any problems is condesending and telling about your Utopian view of government.
Mastikator 2 years ago
Pretending like Sweden is a flowery utopia? Every ranking I have seen for health care systems has Sweden beating out the US by a significant margin.
Sure, it's is not perfect... probably far from it. But for 45% of the people in my country, far from perfect is better then the crippling system they have now. Some people in Sweden might get pushed to the back of the line, but we have millions of people who can't even get into the line.
CharlesVarney 2 years ago
Even if your mother was murdered by the Swedish health care gestapo it wouldn't make a difference. Universal healthcare systems have the highest life expectancies.
And please do explain your stupid point further. What, she waited five monts for a doctors appointment? Or did you cloak your argument so it would be interpreted by Repiblicans as proof? You are a shame for Scandinavia.
stengevarsel 2 years ago
And to Mastikator, I agree that other factors need to be taken into account, but bringing up other flaws in the American systems is hardly an argument for continuing along the same line. The US has the most crime, highest murder rate, highest prison population per capita and lowest life expectancy of any other western nation. A simple Google search will confirm this. How do you justify that?
stengevarsel 2 years ago
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I'm not trying to justify high murder rates, high imprisonment rates ect. I'm saying those are just as important factors as health care. You can't just look at some random numbers and conclude forever and ever that state controlled health care is a magical unicorn that will save everybody and solve every problem.
Mastikator 2 years ago
I was referring to your statement: "Life expectancy is really not the statistic you should look at since it's heaily affected by many other factors, like violent crime."
And what do you think is the best way of looking at it, because the only other arguments that comes up these days are the "death panels", and the "decrease in freedom".
stengevarsel 2 years ago
Life expectancy of cancer struck people, and people struck by other diseases.
Statistics that aren't tainted by a million other variables.
I mean really, do you have any idea of how unscientific it is to just look at one set of statistics that is affected by a longer list of variables than the list of produced results, and blame the whole thing on ONE singular variable.
And then the left go around thinking only they understand science. Fucking obnoxious.
Mastikator 2 years ago
That's a good point.
stengevarsel 2 years ago
Thanks.
Mastikator 2 years ago
Have you ever been shot?
That's a honest question. American's get shot more than people of other countries which has a negative affect on our life spans. We're also fatter and smoke more. Our life span is not a medical failure. Its a lifestyle and criminal justice failure.
UncommonThinker 2 years ago 2
yeah, medicare is part of the problem. just let everyone who cant pay health insurance rot on the streets. /sarcasm
Finiras 2 years ago
watch the whole video at Fora, there is a lot more info and ideas and its very interesting.
LeGioNoFZioN 2 years ago
Fee for service doesn't work for catastrophic unforeseen circumstances. Hospitals charge thousands of dollars per day just to sit in a bed, only a small minority can afford that. Insurance is necessary for most in this environment and the only issue there is to discuss is whether private HMO based insurance or public Medicare style insurance is the right way to do it.
That said, why not let the states try both approaches out and see what really works?
chadmalik 2 years ago
Yes, the market-created plans work wonderfully.
For those that can afford them.
Dunce.
thpt 2 years ago 2
the prblem with medicare is that they pay whatver they're asked. the pharmazy lobby is the problem EVERYONE KNOWS THIS! no one can do anything about it because they're protected by the fuicking government.
oldhacks 2 years ago
CATO - lol.
entropyfu 2 years ago
So is it in honour of Bruce Lee or OJ's pool-boy?
They should come clean, the people have a right to know.
wmg111 2 years ago
the man makes some good points, using actual real world examples. We need this guy in Canada
LeGioNoFZioN 2 years ago
Wow, this guy should have really rehearsed his talk. Maybe if he did that he'd understand how stupid and incomprehensible it is. Utter white noise and complete arse gravy.
mrwhite692000 2 years ago 3
Is Cato part of the problem?
eirefrance 2 years ago
Yes, it is.
Mastikator 2 years ago