The Coup - Ghetto Manifesto

[honeysouldreamstar]

love you, Boots

[netradioheyu]

Bunk

[joebevis92]

Boots is too slept on, its almost criminal!

[Agenda1988]

@joebevis92 That's real.

[meisme60]

i got say music is missing stuff like this,now it uplifting be hoariness an praising prison mentally..thank god for good up-loaders on you tube..keepin it real!!

[marmjah]

phat shit!!!!!!

[honeysouldreamstar]

the music in this is fantastic. oh yeah, the lyrics too

[elevatremusiq]

It's refreshing, not to mention surprising, seeing respectful and intelligent comments on youtube. Who would have thought this could be a forum for exchanging ideas instead of slinging bigoted insults?

[cclodfe]

Why the LTV is wrong:

watch?v=OtBi75X49VI

[DanJhal]

if manz don't know about The Coup they best get to know! heavy with lyrics and that bass guitar is slapping nice = real music sh1t.

[cclodfe]

Read: Daniel Bernoulli and the Founding of Mathematical Economics by Murray Rothbard. Your comment on numbers having no regard for people, shows that you have no knowledge of any economic thought whatsoever. Why does it not surprise me that a communist has no knowledge of economics?

[cclodfe]

Read FA Hayek's Nobel Prize lecture- The Pretense of Knowledge. Economics has nothing to do with "numbers".

[cclodfe]

watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

[IceManLikeGervin]

Pure cognitive dopeness!

[cclodfe]

Can't believe that Marxism (communism, anarcho-communism, trotskism, etc) are still even seriously considered by people. L2Economics. Read the Economic Calculation problem and look into voluntaryism. Communism doesn't work.

[Agenda1988]

@cclodfe People like to say that other systems DON'T work... You must think that capitalism IS working??? If you do, then we disagree. The interests of people is overruled by money and greed. It's a fact. Read a history book, or any new articles in the headlines of the day. Peace.

[cclodfe]

@Agenda1988

Socialism/Communism will not work because of a lack of economic calculation. It would leave the entire populace worse off (even more so than our corporatist culture we currently live in). I am not a capitalist. I am a voluntaryist.

[cclodfe]

@Agenda1988

Hell no I don't think our current system is working. It is horrible and oppressive. However, I do not think our current system can be called capitalism with all the statist intervention in the economy and propping up corporate interest at the expense of the public. Corporatism, crony capitalism or fascism would be a much better description of our economy.

[Eviljae]

@Agenda1988 all he is saying that Communism doesn't work, and I was born in Romanian during its communist rule, and I tell you one thing brother, it's like being a death camp, no food, no electricity, no money, no luxuries, they just tore the country apart and built apartment blocks that looked exactly the same across our major cities so "everyone" can be equal. Although capitalism isn't the best political system, and personally i would like a change, its the best that has come across humanity

[mociutesblynai]

@Eviljae well i was born in the soviet block too but i, and most of the marxists would probably agree that the soviet union was too bureaucratized, too corrupt and too full of other evils to be considered a communist state and the same would go for communist china and north korea. anyway, i personally agree with most of marx's theories and hope that one day there will be a revolution and socialism will exist

[nagahide13]

@Agenda1988 The point is that capitalism uses the greed inherent in humanity to it's advantage. Socialism tries to deny that it exists.

[marcusguernsey]

@Agenda1988 : i believe in the exact science of the free market system,but not even the staunchest of capitalist can think what has happened (since 08) is part of the free market system.capitalism is also a 2 sided sworded system,its helped build the greatest empire on earth (USA), but also has produced and "kept" many many many poor within the same system.i think we are in perfect agreement,just coming from different angles/peace

[mp3piratesavvy]

@Agenda1988 When you are raised since day 1 to be a capitalist, you will be a capitalist until you die. Its sad but true to those who dont think for themselves. Most folks would vote for "who they think would win and is cool lolz" then who they really think ought to be running the country. That itself is a ghetto manifesto!

[Knarf009]

@Agenda1988 People like you simply don't understand the issue. You know what you like about the idea of communism and think that's all there is to know. If everyone who works is guaranteed an equal paycheck then what incentive is there to work harder? Nobody should be going hungry in a prosperous nation, but at the same time you can't remove the incentive to work hard.

And who do you trust to give everyone a fair share of the collective funds generated? There are too many points of failure.

[LiBlub1]

@cclodfe First of all I think you mean troskyism. What the fuck is trotskism xD.

To the point, communism has worked in so many places, we had thousand of communes here in Sweden in the 60s-70s and they had large communes to during this time in Israel among others so it's not that it doesn't work. You just need initiative which is scarce in this world of pop culture and capitalist propaganda,

Do you think, your white liberal doctrines are functional now mate? People dying in the streets.

[cclodfe]

@LiBlub1

The communes would be able to function economically because they still have market price signals outside the communes. The labor theory of value is a dead theory. Marx had no understanding of econ. I am not a liberal either. I am a market anarchist. Big difference.

[LiBlub1]

@cclodfe Yeah, you believe in freedom but you don't believe in human rights.

[cclodfe]

@LiBlub1

Human rights and freedom go hand in hand. You believe in violence/force to acheive your ends. You can not force people into freedom.

[LiBlub1]

@cclodfe I kill bourgeoisie. I don't take innocent life.

[TheStupidDrunk]

@cclodfe and Capitalism is? You're talking about an economics book. Numbers have no regard for people.

[cclodfe]

@TheStupidDrunk

Captialism simply means private ownership of the means of production. I am not talking about mathematical economics. Numbers have nothing to do with human action/economics (this is the failure of mainstream econ). Read some Austrian Economics. Especially the Economic Calculation Problem in the Socialist Commonwealth (no numbers just logic). watch?v=_rjhJcUBRKg & watch?v=XkxGEKnsORA .

[marcopolo3001]

@cclodfe Communism, Marxism, or Resource Based Economy was never implemented in a moneyless society. It was an idea that never took root in its purest form. Instead it tried to coexist in an already greedy system. Had it been done without egoism and greed getting in the way, we might of been much further along than we are now. Capitalism treats resources as if they are infinite, because they do not include that variable into the product development life cycle.

[KBatUofH]

@marcopolo3001 True Marxism has never been tested and it's not such a bad idea, hell no system has ever truly been done, it's all mixed up with everything else. Ain't nothin black and white and you're wrong about capitalisn and resources but again, it doesn't matter. When you get older you'll see it's all gray and there won't be a damn thing you'll do about it. Hope for a miracle

[marcopolo3001]

@KBatUofH You are right, what I wanted to say about Capitalism is that there is a big disconnect between resources and profit making. The ideologies behind profit making can become so abstracted from the raw materials needed in the future, that many capitalists would be quite happy logging every last tree on the premise that something new will be made to replace its hence the market and peoples demands being the mother of invention. This kind of unreality trend does more harm than good. Peace.

[cclodfe]

@marcopolo3001

Read "The Economic Calculation Problem in the Socialist Commonwealth" by Mises. Without money, there would be no means of economic calculation. The entire populace would be worse off. Production and distribution would simply be internal exchanges implemented by quota demands and rationing. Perhaps, I should have said market anarchy instead of capitalism at the beginning since most people confuse our current system for capitalism.

[marcopolo3001]

@cclodfe I wouldn't call it a truly free market capitalist model because of the far reaching influence the banks and corporations have once they achieve market monopolization or close to it. Like Microsoft. It stifles innovation and discourages competition. I would say what we are experiencing is a corporatocracy. Because the interest of the corporation trump the interest and wellbeing of the populace, profits 1st etc. The economic calculation should be irrelevant,since it would be based on need

[marcopolo3001]

It should not be based on artificially created wants, that are spurred by the consumerist trends of the day that they(market oligarchs) themselves engineer to keep us bent on the materialist fervour we are pushed towards every time you switch on a TV set. A truly progressive and enlightened society would work towards achieving an efficient sustainable and high quality of life for all. But it won't happen by just one or two countries (ie Russia and America) it has to be a worldwide.

[marcopolo3001]

Then you can see the resources of the world managed in a sensible and measured way that is handled with human potentiality in mind. Not the schizophrenic way it is handled now,where everyone (corporation) pulls every which way, irrationally or not to further their own financial agendas.We cannot fathom the contrary to the current systems because we are so brainwashed into thinking we need the latest car or cellphone and not just something that works period, as a tool, not fashion item

[Musashikhan]

@cclodfe

Capitalism sure works for the over 3 billion people who live on $2.50. What is that, half the world's population?

What about the successes of capitalism in Africa, South America, the Middle East, Asia et cetera.

The history of capitalism is the history of profit and plunder. Slavery, colonialism, genocide, imperialism, world wars, starvation and whatnot. And the worse part is capitalism has created the conditions for a society of great abundance, and yet it just goes to the top.

[cclodfe]

@Musashikhan

Well, if you are referring to the current economic environment as capitalism, then I would agree with you. However, you need to realize that in our current "capitalist" system we have the following priviledges granted to elitists- 1. Corporate personhood 2. Limited Liability 3. Protectionist regulations 4. Corporate subsidies 5. Barriers to entry created by protectionist legislation 6. Govt managed "free" trade etc. These are all state created problems.

[Musashikhan]

@cclodfe

How could I forget that problem... the state was created by capitalism. Capitalism can not exist without a state, which is merely the apparatus in which the owning class can exploit the working class. Imagine the turn-of-the-century without the Progressives, or the Depression without FDR, capitalism would have imploded into itself. Eras with little regulation, and you got 15+ hour work days, child labor, poor working conditions and wages, no environmental protection and robber barons.

[cclodfe]

@Musashikhan

Oh Marx and his class warfare. Marx only mistake is that he failed to accurately define class. I define class as- the state and it's elitist corporatist cohorts and the rest of us. You should watch "The Myth of the Robber Barons" who were granted monopoly priviledges by the state in their industry that led to poor working conditions because of the lack of social mobility. The depression was also a result of central banking and the Feds manipulation of money supply and interest.

[Musashikhan]

@cclodfe

I am glad you believe that he made only one mistake, but he defined class on one's relation to production, between those that own the mean of production and those that must sell their labor power for a wage. Your definition of class is based on? Because it doesn't sound too far off Marx. Free trade leads to monopolies, simply because in crises of capitalism, the big fish eat the small fish. Corporatism, and it's state, is caused by capitalism.

[cclodfe]

@Musashikhan

Marx's LTV=Value of a good is determined by the labor put into the good. Any profit make off this labor is theft from the laborer.

An example of why marx LTV is wrong=An artisan contractor builds a chair in 2 hours. A dolt builds a chair in 10 hours. According to the LTV the artisan contractors chair is worth less since it required less labor hours.

Value is subjective and not based on labor.

watch?v=cqWGdb5bcQk

watch?v=N4wjnt1n9wU

watch?v=UWUyaEASrvM

[Musashikhan]

@cclodfe

That would be true if that was Marx's LTV. Marx believed that the commodity has two values, the use-value and the exchange value, the latter being defined by the amount of socially necessary labor time which is an average anyways. As explained in Marx's Wage Labour and Capital and the first chapter of Capital, Commodities. I believe Marx does use the example of labor time somewhere in Capital, and I am looking for it now.

[cclodfe]

@Musashikhan

If Marx understood economics, he would have come to much different conclusions. He was using LTV based off Ricardo and Adam Smith (both theories were proven incorrect by the marginalist revolution). Marx completely ignored subjective valuations of individuals (marginal utility) in Kapital. You should check out "The Labor Theory of Value" by Robert P. Murphy. I use to be right there with you until I read economic theory more.

[FunkFight1]

@cclodfe the value of the commodity is subjective. That is not in question. But in both cases, either chair ONLY has value because of the labor. If the chair company owner pays the artisan 10% of what the chair retails for, or pays the "dolt" 10% of what that chair retails for, that chair company owner has made a 90% profit. Which is where the theft comes in in either case. It doesn't matter that the 2 chairs have different retail prices. It matters that the lazy chair company owner is a theif.

[cclodfe]

@Musashikhan

The Labor Theory of Value has been disproven time and time again. Without the labor theory of value, Marx's Class Theory falls apart. This is a much better class theory IMO-

watch?v=g4WgW6NX9L8&feature=BF­&list=PL669822A628FFACFA&index­=8

[firasa07]

@cclodfe You got thumbs down by the way.

[QCBEC]

@cclodfe l2economic, Either you're a kid talking about politic according to the propaganda from where he inform himself.

Or you're american, you guys have a fucked up mentality its like if you were programmed to say stupid thing with no logic.

[offthedome18]

@QCBEC fuck you. not all americans are ignorant, and the problem of ignorance is not just specific to our country, so shut your youtube opinion up and look around you. bet you will find "your people" doing equally stupid things. and believe it or not the majority of us are looking for a change, and i dont mean obama, theres just no sure way of going about doing it.

[QCBEC]

@offthedome18 I agree with the ignorance thing its just that the dude in question is a stupid ignorant american.

By American im talking about the average population sorry if you dont concider yourself part of it.

And like you said its youtube opinion who give a fuck.

[pir8prod]

@cclodfe Your own anus is not proper headwear!!!

[RedUnbannable]

@cclodfe have YOU read about the Economic Calculation problem or Voluntaryism? Both have very strong refutations, and they are far from a deathblow to Socialism or a Centrally planned economy.

[1Lozzix1]

this goes mad hard

[shadow24135]

I was the first dislike =)

[dawnye1]

"I write my lyrics on parking tickets"

[theidort]

@dawnye1 "...and summons to the court. I scribbled this on an application for county support."

[MilitantBlak2009]

PARTYLINER jokes...LMAO...classic....

[MilitantBlak2009]

fuck the system...

[ryanb360]

thank god tom morello joined boots to make sssc or i would have never descovered these guys!!!

[urasmore]

@ryanb360 same, boots is a lyrical genius

[DClean]

The Coup DONT PLAY ! hahahyeeeahha

[verbalbatters]

The trees we got lifted on made our feet dangle, so when I say lets burn one, I mean the star spangled!!!!!! Boots is illlllllllll!!!!!!!!!

[VonZacharias]

still best party music!

[oggecool]

Haha, that album-cover is awesome! :D

[aztr0zombie]

it was done before the towers fell, and then pulled after.

[aotearoastu]

Marxist HARD!!!!!!

[unityrover]

The Coup did 9/11!!!

[Agenda1988]

I don't think our CIA was fooled by 2 musicians. Don't say such disrespectful things about the secret service of our great nation!!!

[sjnsingh]

Long Live the Revolution! Marxist til I die.

[jab2ez]

@sjnsingh Socialismo o mueto!!!!!

[5burowz]

The Moog Synthesizer runs shit.

[pablo147741]

yo u shuld put the remix of this song its much better

[Agenda1988]

:0

I didn't know there was a remix.

[pablo147741]

it came out like two weeks ago , only place u can find it is itunes =( and i cant buy it =(

[pablo147741]

i think it came out two weeks ago but im not sure

[Lazey13]

Paris made a remix and put it on the Hard Truth Soldiers, vol 1 album. To be honest goes way harder than the original

[Agenda1988]

yea it's the video response, someone uploaded it. It's dope but I've been listening to this one for years so nothing compares to the original at this point, lol.

[Lazey13]

Real talk this song is dope either way lol whatever beat or remix is on it you know? You can just feel these lyrics

[Agenda1988]

yea the lyrics are why I love this one... all it needs is a decent groove in the background and both have more than that.

[InMyHead75]

thats why i love them...cos they get it

[therebelwaltz]

pablo: I'm uploading the remix as we speak :)

[Agenda1988]

yay ;D

[nickweerts]

love

[t0kt0k]

"a ransom note with proposed legislation"

hell yeah. boots riley is a legend.

[Agenda1988]

"a fevered ultimatum, you should take it verbatim, cuz I got two bangin pieces and you don't... wanna... date 'em"

yeah. legend :)