the auther of the western a price book advised a diet based on wheat with only an egg or equal size peace of meat a day. thats all. if you want to know more about the diet that he recomended then you must read his book - not exstracts other ppl use to strengthen their arguments which are then tanted with their own bias :\ - or better yet read books about nutrition by Dr's conduction studies about its correlation to vital human health. like Dr caldwell/esselstyn/mcdougall/ornish/bernard/walker
Weston Price foundation has nothing to do with factory farms. All the Weston Pricers I know come from the organic community and they tend to obsess on grass-feeding.
@Tailflap Maybe he never addressed the criticism because he knows that no amount of evidence will ever suffice to disabuse WAPF fanboys of their cherished beliefs. WAPF doesn't care about truth. It wants to assimilate you to its meat-eating borg. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! If you don't admit they're right, they'll keep slinging more shoddy science at you and assassinating your character until you give up and walk away, at which point they'll convince themselves they won the argument.
industry and politics kill, they start wars we fight
all traditional diets work, not industrial crap lies and neuromarketing
after ww2 Japan managed to rebuild their economy, went up more than 30% meat, but that you won't see on tv or the fact that they eat a lot of fish that's still meat also rice not grain (meat means today 40% rest soy)
i know because my country is now on european legislation and we die like idiots from pills and plastic foods
All the longest-lived populations ever studied ate a high plant food diet which was high carb-low fat and had very little heart disease and cancer. The okinwans are a good example. Take your paleo dogma elsewhere.
Sally Price holds a graduate degree in English. Weston A. Price’s findings were never published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. Enig is obviously a fringe nut or she has more than likely been "purchased."
I send my sincere condolences to each and every VEGAN out there...hope u make it!!! ;-(
I can not stand the obvious display of arrogance by the speaker, yes he might have the whole vegetarian community backing him but that does not make right to speak for anyone other than himself. After all its only FOOD folks, it is not as if he just addressed the 3 billion people who live in darkness without electricity and the poverty plagued nations around the world.
Pot meet kettle......... As if WAPF are not full of moronic, arrogant people. Dr. Campbell is a scientist, with an impressive background in research. Dr. Price was a dentist whose foundation recommends baby formula made of cow’s milk with heavy cream and other oils..hhhmmmm
Cow's milk is for baby cows, how is it that you don't get that?
@waitingroom05 I do get that, thats why I drink goats milk...I do not subscribe to any of these relatively new dogmatic practices like veganism or fruitarianism. I think we should look at irrefutable evidence rather than rhetoric hot air. YES Dr. Campbell is a well respected scientist but his opinions doesn't sit well with me. I am also not the craziest fan of WAPF beacuse as you said they do have few extremist out there. My advice to you is forget his degree ask for his pedigree.
@ismaelovic71 You drink another species' milk, and you're calling a natural diet bad names?
"irrefutable evidence" - I'd rather look at irrefutable proof. A fruitarian diet (ie fruit-BASED vegan) is simply the most natural way to eat, and the 80/10/10 book explains that. AND before you tell me to not just follow what one book says, I haven't READ the book. I already GET it, and I see that Dr Graham does too (I have seen him speak)
@retrogradeorbit Mary Enig is a member of the Weston A Price foundation because she has books published under Newtrends Publishing, Inc., a publisher linked to the foundation. Try again
@spruntfemalespray .Theres an amazing product called Sun Warrior Protein which is complete plant based, Vega by Brendan Brazier is good to... check it out.
@spruntfemalespray take hemp protein its the best... I do not eat meat.. i squat over 320 pounds and run the 100 meter dash in 11,3 seconds.. i deadlift 400 pounds... i play basketball and workout 5-6 days a week... you DONT need meat !!! My veritcal is 35 inches !! All my fellow meat eaters are behind me on everything.. i only weigh 165 pounds ,5,5
With the China Study that Campbell wrote, he also fails to mention the county of Tuoli - a group of Chinese people who have one of the lowest rates of cancer and heart disease (as well as low cholesterol) yet they consume the highest amounts of meat, fat and dairy of any province. Their rates were far healthier than almost vegetarian provinces. Why on earth would Campbell leave that out? Oh YES, because it disproves everything he stands for! Go check the original study for yourselves!
Fish don't seem to be adversely affecting the Okinawans. Why supplement one's plant-based diet with modest amounts of animal foods as do the Okinawans?
@picklesloveslight there's been hundreds of vegan woman who've been vegan during pregnancy and have raised healthy children on a vegan diet. It's all about responsibility and feeding your children properly. Often the infants are breast fed.
Everyone has unique body chemistry. One person's Healing Food is another person's Poison. Experimentation is the only way to pin down what works best for you.
Some animal protein and some high quality fats are balancing and needed for most people.
@LLDONO222 Wrong. Raw vegan diet is what all humans thrive on period. Get your facts right. Is there any evidence proving a fruit or vegetable to cause disease? No. Yet there is vast amounts of evidence showing animal products destroy and break down the body. Same with cooked food.
@LLDONO222 needed for most people? I don't think so....
people just become so used to it that they falsely believe that their bodies actually needs the animal protein. it's a misconception, like many of the other things in our lives...
What bothers me the most is babies dying or being permanently brain damaged because their parents insisted on imposing their diets on them.
If one wants to be vegan fine, but do not impose it one your child. Don,t get pregnant if you do not want to eat meat during your pregnancy and while breast feeding.
Why would one want to take such risks with their little baby? Come on ... I will fight in the memory of these children forever.
A PLANT-BASED DIET IS NATURE'S ORIGINAL DESIGN. IT IS THE NORMAL WAY TO EAT AND WE ARE PRIMATE-FRUITARIAN HERBIVORES.
Meat-eating women have MIScarriages all the time (but no, that has nothing to do with meat). But one vegan's baby dies in 5 years and of course..........to an ignorant person.
MEAT IS THE RISK. The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine RECOMMENDS veganism for all, and the ADA and WHO support veganism
@Gary1111001 The PCRM is a pro-vegan organization funded by PETA among others, of course they recommend it, it's their agenda.
ADA (American Dietetic Association) paper actually spent page after page after page showing how difficult vegan diet really is, and what it really entails for health, not a blanket recommendation. They recommend vegans get professional nutritional counseling, in fact...
As for the WHO I can find no recommendation for veganism from that agency. Can you?
@AlbertaBeefy The WHO recommends under 40 grams of protein a day. U can't do that with meat unless u under-eat.
PCRM are physicians who pledged to "Do no harm", so yeah, they're true to their agenda. :)
The ADA knows u don't need meat, but sounds like they buy into dietary myths(protein incompleteness, etc, etc, etc). I've proven 1st-hand those myths are false by NEVER complementing proteins, eating under 50g of protein a day(high-fruit), and gettin stronger on the weights
@Gary1111001 Wow, that's either an outlandish lie or you don't research what "facts" are given by your vegan propaganda sites.
In the WHO's own paper, "Protein and Amino Acid Requirements in Human Nutrition" which is updated and available on their website, if you cared to check your "facts" they state "value accepted for the safe level of intake is 0.83 g/kg per day"
There is nothing about a "under 40 grams" recommendation anywhere.
@Gary1111001 As for PCRM pledge to "do no harm" - first, barely 7% of the PCRM are physicians. Second, their physicians and their organization has repeatedly been in trouble with the American Medical Association for "doing harm". Look it up.
@Gary1111001 BTW, the WHO's and US RDA of protein (both .8g/kg of bodyweight) are based upon today's sedentary lifestyles.
All research shows athletes benefit from more dietary protein and amino acids. Research by Kent University (as well as other research) shows athletes benefit from 1.2 to 1.8g/kg of bodyweight daily depending on if they are endurance or strength athletes. All evidence shows up to this level being safe.
Once at a level above 2.3g/kg it can be unhealthy.
@Gary1111001 Hey Gary - theoretically you *could* be under 40g of protein a day - if you were a 90lb sedentary person... Not many people are.
For anyone athletic, it's been proven that slightly over 2x the WHO and RDA amounts may be necessary for peak performance without any health-related side-effects.
For a 300lb obese person working out, they'd likely need 1.2g/kg+ of bodyweight which is a minimum 163g per day. For a 150lb sedentary person, ~ 60 to 100g depending on activity.
Dr.Price was right on and he was not the only one to find that meat eaters were healthier. Vilhjalmur Stefansson also loved 11 years with Eskimos, who had exceptional health and plenty of doctors came to the same conclusions.
It is very true today that people now living a primitive life style.. eating almost only meat, are much more healthier and barely have cancer compared to us. People are very surprised when they see what these healthy people eat... mostly meat and it's fat !
I love this man. Taste Preferences may change but Dr. Campbell will always be the best. We talked in depth three years ago in NYC, & I was honored for his time. He is a breath of fresh air amidst so-called wellness pros. I have a wellness & fitness center since 1989. I've been vegan myself since 1989 and RAW VEGAN since 1999. I teach food and fitness and specialize in RAW VEGAN muscle building with whole food- no pills, powders or gimmicks. The China Study is the number one curriculum book here.
The Weston Price Foundation is not supported by "industrial farms" who feed their animals soy meal, or other grains that they are not meant to eat. They are very outspoken about how animals need to be grassfed. I'm sure they do get supported by farms who pasture their animals, but that's not where the money is. Those farms are small, because their meat costs more. This guy is saying that they are delivering this message because the big farmers are paying them too. Not true at all.
When opponants(glutenous eaters) start getting upset and attacking - you know that vegans are getting more populous. And you can see that happening.....large sections in the bookstores for vegan AND even RAW, at least 4 different veg magazines, websites, and youtubers continuing to sprout up :))
Go to Yahoo Q&A -- every day in the veg section someone asks " I wan to go veg. But in the food section do you see a ? "I wan to START eating meat???? If you do, it's probably Cliff. lol
@Gary1111001 That's very sad ... so many get sick because they were fooled into trying an unnatural vegan or raw diet. Some children, mostly babies, have even died because of their parents forcing their vegan diets upon them.
if you are gonna be vegan at least eat milk products ....
cancer and heart disease has soared since people have been reducing their animal fat intake.
all we can do is try to wake people up so this doesn't happen to them.
@picklesloveslight I've known people with heart problems & needing surgery. Don't we all? And they all eat a lot of meat. A BIG meat-eater I know was just diagnosed with stomach cancer (it's nothing to joke about Angela). This guy INSISTED meat was important (now it doubly not funny; just sad)
@Gary1111001 well, most people eat a lot of meat and are not sick. Heart disease and cancer were rare not to long ago and and people were big meat eaters.
Our ancestors remains show us that when they had barely any meat, serious deficiencies were found in their bone samples, they had much more disease, grew less and so on. There was a dramatic change in health when they were able to eat more meat and then group hunting came along, people turned to grains and health deteriorated.
@Gary1111001 I have nothing against vegans .. I was almost one before I did some research and saw that it simply wasn't for me. I now find it very dangerous for nutritionists to be playing around with human diets and telling them to eat less of what is most nutritious for them. They obviously are ignoring historical facts and archeology. Would you tell a cow to eat less grass because of pollution? or a bird to eat less worms? Animals follow their instincts, as should we.
I have never heard of babys dieing because they became vegan nutrition. Are you a telling stories?! And raw is unnatural? Are you joking. Do you have seen any other animal who cooks his meal.Raw=natural
@Gieszkanne look it up on Google .. not hard to find and many x-vegans also have stories of their own. That's why I chose not to become vegan. I did my research.
What is not hard to find?You will find also vegans who have no problems. Just take the Hopis. In nutrition you will find for almost everything pro and con. That just shows that there more believes than science.But to be honest there are also a lot of contradictory facts and cases. Its not easy
For all those who are confused about the B12. In the China Study, Dr. Campbell already addresses this issue. He states that because the United States does not use living soil we are, therefore, not getting the proper B12. Plants naturally get B12 if they are grown in organic soils. However, since the US grows plants in dead soil - we are being deprived of many minerals, including B12. I hope that clears this up.
@picklesloveslight All the longest-lived populations ever studied ate a high-carb plant based diet and meat was always a very small percentage of the diet. Where do you get your info? As I said before the okinawans were a great example before 1950 (65-69% of their calories came from sweet potatoes). All of the longest lived and healthiest pop studied got most of their calories from starch whether it be rice,potatoes,corn,squash,barley,etc.
@goofyreligion3 yeah exactly... i was vegan for 3-4 years and i ended up with a bunch of cavities, and excessive weight loss. I get sick seeing so much pride/ego in veganism, all these people are fooling themselves. Veganism doesn't exist in nature, cows eat grass that contains insects and insect eggs. Dogs and cats eat meat. I can't believe people think this guy looks healthy, nature is about survival of the strongest, this guy looks like he would not last 30 minutes in the wild.
he takes b12 pills yet he promotes the vegetarian diet..uh, yeah very smart :P How could W. Price be funded by the meat/dairy farmers, he was against pasteurized milk and meat from non grass fed animals. Vegetarian diet = no vitamin D, no b12. Thats enough to prove its WRONG. And please dont say u get vit D from sunlight, not everyone lives in California. All of Canada experiences 6 months of cold weather and/or lack of exposure to sunlight, what are they supposed to do for vit D? eat meat.
Another reason to avoid the Vegan Diet is EFA deficiency, primarily DHA/EPA. Plant based Omega3 efa, known as Alpha Linolenic acid has to be converted for your body to use as DHA/EPA, this conversion rate in humans is very low, usually at a rate of 1-4%. Jesus, the saviour of the world ate fish, it should be ok for everyone else.
Do people really think it's natural to be taking supplemental vitamins, such as B12 because you don't get it properly in your diet when eating plant-based foods?
I'm sure that cavemen went down to Walmart and got some Puritan's Pride every time they needed more vitamins...
@jasco999 Is living 90+ years worth the health ailments you might get?
Also, how do you think cavemen were able to live long enough to reproduce and eventually get to where we are today? Do you think cavemen were able to evolve by eating textured soy protein? Don't count on it. And yes, protein played an extremely vital role in human development, a macronutrient vegetarians would know little about.
@Sully1111 Nutrient density of food is important, when we as a species of animal use fire to prepare our food prior to eating, we destroy the nutrient value of these foods. Do people really think that using fire is natural, given that of ALL animal species in the world humans are the only species cook their food, and co-incidentally we as a species are the least healthy.
@veganath You do realize that cooking many foods neutralizes BAD components in them, such as anti-nutrients, and also releases much more vitamins and whatnot in some? For example, broccoli is better for you cooked, not raw. Also, you basically just reaffirmed my statement that NUTRIENT DENSITY OF FOOD IS IMPORTANT. How much do you think this density is "destroyed" in meat as compared to raw veggies? The difference is very minimal, and meat is still ultimately more "nutrient dense."
there is a definite distinction between raw milk and meat versus cooked milk and meat. raw food is raw food. since we are quite capable of being omnivores, raw milk and meat are (given ideal growing circumstances) able to be part of a healthy diet.
Well, I checked the website he refers to and he has absolutely NO MORE material there than he talks about here. In other words, he never addresses the critiques, he only puts forth silly ad hominem arguments.
@davidhalldurham he didn't say the website had the information you're referring to, he discussed trying to get his response up. You would know this if you listened to him. He has now published his response which can be read simply do a Google search.
@jasco999 I did listen to him, thank you for much, and I found the website by doing a Google search before I posted my previous comment. I stand by my earlier remark: Campbell never answers the critiques, he only gives ad hominem arguments. If you can find where Campbell addresses the CRITICISMS, please let me know.
So, all he can come up with are ad hominem attacks. He doesn't even discuss WAPF's criticisms, and he has the audacity to claim the Foundation has no researchers. So much for Campbell.
He should also get up to date on his information. Cholesterol is not a very good marker of heart disease, "Lipoprotein a" is a much better marker for heart disease. Also, deficiences in Vitamin K2 (which you can only get from fermented foods and animal fats) and Vitamin B6 which is best absorbed from raw animal fats, are better markers as well.
If you have to supplement with B12, a key nutrient in human health, then you are obviously not that healthy and are not getting everything you need to from your "100%" plant diet.
Vitamin B12 is created by bacteria and fungi. This is an unfortunate case where cleanliness has lead to a deprivation of a vital nutrient.
Herbivore mammals still consume regular amounts of B12 producing microorganisms in their diet. For example, cows eat particles of bacteria producing manure when they graze on grass. Herbivores such as cows require B12.
Now I'm not advocating rubbing manure on your veggies, but I don't think the B12 argument is enough to discount a vegan diet.
Herbivores don't get b12 from consuming poop. They have massive fermenting vats as stomachs that ferment down food via bacteria and these bacteria produce the b12 for the cows
Even if you were to discount this, there are so many other factors. Actual Vitamin A is not present in ANY plant source (it is a fat-soluble activator that is only present in properly raised animal fats), same goes with Vitamin D.
Oh yeah, and remember, we are not herbivores, we are omnivores DERRRR.
I love how he says Weston A Price Founation is funded by farmers (yes, a lot of the members are farmers, but a lot of mothers and families). He does not mention what kind of farmers that WAPF supports (which are local small farmers who practice methods to rebuild the soil and better animal husbandry), but then proceeds to comment on factory farms. This gives people the assumption that WAPF is supported by factory farms. He knows what he meant to do there.
Mary Enig, PhD who was the original pioneer in getting the information about the dangers of trans fats (all the way back in the early 1970s) is a founding member of the Weston A Price Foundation.
T. Colin Campbell should do his research (even though I am sure he knows this).
Weston A Price was a research, scientist, and practicing dentist.
If he was as healthy as can be, he would not have to wear glasses. Macular degeneration is directly related to diet. The Bate's Method, or eye exercises/yoga, may also work. There is extensive evidence that grains cause an array of inflammation. Allergies, for example, are not just random. There's always a cause. Dr. Campbell says in his "debate" with Dr. Cordain that people can consume grains as long as they have no allergies. Actually, evidence suggest grains cause allergies.
His comment about vitamin B12 is extremely significant.
Consuming too little vitamin b12 can lead to permanant and irreversible neurological damage.
If a vegan diet is truly the best diet, why doesn't it supply needed amounts of b12 without supplements?
Before I would consider a vegan diet for myself or my children, I would need to see 5 generations of people eating a purely vegan diet with no b12 supplements.
Until then, I prefer to get my vitamin b12 through "natural" sources.
I agree. I may have noted this on a previous comment on this video. I've been sifting through the vegan versus Paleo diets. T. Colin Campbell v. Loren Cordain. I was and am totally open to both, but the B12 argument lends to the Paleo view. Also, what if we lived in Alaska or Siberia, for example, where an array of plants are not available pre-transport. We would have no choice but to consume wild meat, fat, and some plants seasonally. Maybe sea vegetable.
its ok if you like meat, we can tell by your fantasy analogy of the Siberia all meat diet. We don't care if YOU choose to eat it. when you have your arteriosclerosis I hope your happy
Weston Price Foundation sites scientific studies done by large institutions and credible scientists that are not included in published information journals that are funded by large industrial food corporations. It is very scientific.
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Mr. Campbell and many other vegans I have come across do not look healthy and they seem very weak. He appears to be stumbling in this video and holding onto things. Check out Dr. Mercola, vibrant and very strong. Appearance and vitality say enough for me.
As a Vegan who runs marathons, snowboards, and swims regularly I can tell you that if someone does not look healthy or weak it has nothing to do with being a vegan.
He has been doing nutritional research for 40 years, so my guess is that he is in his 60s or 70s and he looks to be in pretty good shape. Also, you can look vibrant and strong and still get cancer...
NOTE: Goat's milk contains 13 percent more calcium, 25 percent more vitamin B-6, 47 percent more vitamin A, 134 percent more potassium, and three times more niacin. It is also four times higher in copper. Goat's milk also contains 27 percent more of the antioxidant selenium than cow's milk. Cow's milk contains 5 times as much vitamin B-12 as goat's milk & 10 times as much folic acid.
These are just things that I have read. I am NOT a scientist. I am a graduate student of literature! I read. A lot. I am also a raw foodist in the sense that I get about 80% of my food from raw plant sources. To note for transparency: I am a vegetarian; I have not ever had raw milk or fish and I actively avoid all dairy products with the exception of free-range, locally-sourced eggs.
The protein frequently referenced in Campbell's book is casein from cow's milk. Casein is a type of protein found in all mammal's milks, though apparently goat's milk is more similar to human breastmilk than cow's milk. Furthermore, goat's milk tends to have a higher mineral content than cow's milk.
Human casein and bovine casein are different proteins with different amino acid sequences. Not surprisingly, human children are adapted to digest human casein.
You asked below what raw vegans think of raw milk. There is a difference between raw vegans and "raw foodists." I know some raw foodists who occasionally consume raw goat's milk--not cow's milk. Some raw foodists consume raw eggs and raw fish too. They usually get most of their daily intake from plant sources, but are not vegans.
So what do vegans say about the paleo diet? In that diet, they also say an abundance of fruits and vegetables as well as no dairy, but allow lean meats. The big difference is that the paleo diet says no grains -- no rice, wheat, oats, etc. Supposedly hunter gatherers didn't eat grains before the advent of agriculture about 10,000 years ago. My question is, weren't those cereal grains found in the wild before agriculture? It's not like grains randomly showed up when some guy started tilling soil.
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I want to feed him a soft boiled egg from a pastured chicken, perhaps in some slop-fed bacon lard.
It hurt to listen to him. He didn't have a lot of "uhs" and "umms" - he's obviously well versed in his research and beliefs --- but he seemed exceptionally tired, and his reaction time between thinking and speaking greatly reduced. Should this be considered old age? To me it appears a good sign that animal fats are vital to both energy and cognitive ability.
@DerekChaunessey Where there is no correlation that food neither increases nor decreases chances of getting cancer. Where there is a positive correlation people who eat that food type get more cancer. Where there is a negative correlation people who eat that food get less cancer. But its hard to know things for a fact and that's why further study is needed. For example there are very healthy communities that eat wheat. Most people who says that science is settled are selling something.
Couple questions. What do vegans think of raw milk? I've heard pasteurized milk is bad of course, but I've heard raw milk can cure all sorts of things from cancer to aids. Thoughts?
I'm reading Nutrition and Phys Degeneration right now - it's really a remarkable book - it's all about eating foods that are in one's ecosystem, the implications of it are astounding. If WP Foundation just promotes eating grain fed, factory farmed, and pasteurized diary based on Price's work, then Campbell is right to criticize them. I don't know much about the foundation, though. The China Study changed my life and is valuable for what it is. Nutrition is too complicated for just one book.
The book looks great and detailed but at the chapter 13 you can find something strange. Hi say:
In the mid 1970's,along came a prime example of a health scam, at least according to the medical establishment. It concerned an alternative cancer treatment called Laetrile.
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he just confront Laetrile with some scam and that's it. After all so detailed numbers and statistics is not strange that about vitamin B17 he say actually nothing. Where is the his research about.
How does he possibly justify linking the Weston Price foundation with factory farming? Obviously he knows nothing about this foundation, and is only attempting to demonize them.
Dr Mercola says the China study is flawed. He also says he gets one to two patients a month who are sick from not eating meat. I saw Campbell on Larry King last night. T. Colin Campbell looks like every vegetarian I have ever seen, anorexic, cheeks all sallow and sunken in. He looks very unhealthy. Eat some meat!
"The beef industry has contributed to more American deaths than all the wars of this century, all natural disasters, and all automobile accidents combined. If beef is your idea of "real food for real people" you'd better live real close to a real good hospital." ~Neal Barnard
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I like Michael Pollan's book on the matter of diet for different cultures; personally, I like the adage of shopping around the outsides of the grocery store. Avoid the processed crap and have some fish or meat if you want. That said, I respect Dr. Campbell's work immensely.
And as opposed to giving my comments a thumbs down, which is a great argument by the way, why don't you just explain why most cultures consume meat, and why cultures like Japan are extremely healthy and consume fish.
In Japan, they consume a lot of fish are are the healthiest country, despite their cigarette use. Yet Dr. Campbell says no fish ideally. Can someone explain the discrepancy. Interestingly, there is a metabolite from an isoflavone in soy that essentially stops male pattern baldness via binding to dihydrotestosterone, called equol, and not all people are able to produce this, but in studies on pubmed, there is a strong correlation b/w equol producers and meat eaters.
Japan, has a high rate of stomach cancer. And Just because there disease rate is comparatively low when against a western diet, it doesn't mean that their diet cannot be improved upon. Dr Campbells work is not geared soley on survey, his recomendations are made in consideration of clinical study, and also correlative data from demographical disease stats.
I read something about the Maasai in Kenya having some of the lowest rates of heart disease and cholesterol levels around, which is interesting considering their diet is high in red meat, animal blood, and milk. Although they do walk/run long distances, so perhaps that helps immensely?
Maybe someone can help me out. I stopped drinking dairy milk and started drinking soy milk, but two large cartons per day. Within a few days I felt like my speaking abilities were less fluid, very choppy, and I'd convey questions and thoughts with less wit than before, making me feel more "retarded". Has this ever happened to anybody? I'm not talking about a serving or two of soymilk but rather two large Silk soy cartons, which is 16 servings!
you know that white icky stuff that comes out of a pimple when u pop it? that is wat is in ur milk. ugh i know gross!!! and have u ever watched ur meat cook in the pan? u will see those gross white worms crawling all in it!! Its discusting!! a great you tube video everybody needs to watch is "Meet your Meat".
Dr. Campbell seems unaware of the benefits of eating oily cold-water fish. The peer -reviewed literature is full of studies. You cannot get all your omega-3s from plant sources." Plant sources provide short-chain omega-3s that are not converted to the active long-chain omega-3s that are provided by fish oils.
Dr. C. claims no difference between red meat & dairy vs.chicken. Peer-reviewed literature confirms negative health effects of red meat and dairy, but no risks with chicken.
Supporters of the Weston A Price Foundation are not factory farmers, nor do they advocate factory farming in any way! Quite the opposite, they advocate free-range grass fed animals and getting fresh milk from someone who keeps a jersey cow. They advocate a mostly organic diet and warn against the poor fat of factory farmed animals. Those animals do not get vitamin D, nor does their meat contain enough omega 3' or CLAs. They support people in making relationships with local farmers.
I am vegetarian, but interested in fitness too. Does sombody know if having isolated whey protein is as harmful as eating and drinking dairy products?
@silversnow2008 Stay away from all powders and gimmicks. Do not get hung up on protein- you need to get sufficient calories within the framework of a whole fresh plant based diet with very little fat and you will be VERY VERY VERY fit, If you have doubts go to my website and see what a 25 year vegan and even ten year raw person looks like, and my clients who are raw. Just google raw vegan myth Chris Califano.
Weston A. Price, God bless him, was a well-meaning hobby anthropologist whose hypotheses were not so much "ahead of their time," as totally unscientific. The foundation named for him is borderline Eugenicist. Scaaaary.
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This is not a new science, Dr campbell talks with FACTS. And is telling the world what I already know. There is no such thing as disease. except what we create, this is not a new science! People talk about disease as if it is a separate entity. U are what you eat U reap what you have sown. laws of nature. Eat all the animals you like, they will speak to from the grave sooner or later in the form of one disease or another.
the auther of the western a price book advised a diet based on wheat with only an egg or equal size peace of meat a day. thats all. if you want to know more about the diet that he recomended then you must read his book - not exstracts other ppl use to strengthen their arguments which are then tanted with their own bias :\ - or better yet read books about nutrition by Dr's conduction studies about its correlation to vital human health. like Dr caldwell/esselstyn/mcdougall/ornish/bernard/walker
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Weston Price foundation has nothing to do with factory farms. All the Weston Pricers I know come from the organic community and they tend to obsess on grass-feeding.
nichins 2 months ago
He never answered the question about his criticism of the China Study. Instead he went on and attempted to discredit the Weston A Price Foundation.
Tailflap 3 months ago
@Tailflap Maybe he never addressed the criticism because he knows that no amount of evidence will ever suffice to disabuse WAPF fanboys of their cherished beliefs. WAPF doesn't care about truth. It wants to assimilate you to its meat-eating borg. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! If you don't admit they're right, they'll keep slinging more shoddy science at you and assassinating your character until you give up and walk away, at which point they'll convince themselves they won the argument.
esper252 2 weeks ago
industry and politics kill, they start wars we fight
all traditional diets work, not industrial crap lies and neuromarketing
after ww2 Japan managed to rebuild their economy, went up more than 30% meat, but that you won't see on tv or the fact that they eat a lot of fish that's still meat also rice not grain (meat means today 40% rest soy)
i know because my country is now on european legislation and we die like idiots from pills and plastic foods
live0day 4 months ago
@comfykittydesigns bully?? Uh it's just youtube calm down...
82Bdog 4 months ago
@comfykittydesigns what's your point the guy in this food promotes a whole-food plant based diet and doesn't recommend eating soy?
82Bdog 4 months ago
Visit Best of You Today to listen to our audio interview with Dr. T Colin Campbell from the China Study.
bestofyoutoday 6 months ago
colesterol doesn't kill, but rafined sugar and plant oils
paleo hunter gatherer for 2 milion years
campblell didn't do the study just a review on it...
Diet, Life-Style, and Mortality in China: A Study of the Characteristics of 65 Chinese Counties by Junshi Chen (Editor), Chen Junshi (Contributor)
live0day 10 months ago
All the longest-lived populations ever studied ate a high plant food diet which was high carb-low fat and had very little heart disease and cancer. The okinwans are a good example. Take your paleo dogma elsewhere.
82Bdog 5 months ago
Sally Price holds a graduate degree in English. Weston A. Price’s findings were never published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. Enig is obviously a fringe nut or she has more than likely been "purchased."
gyrate4 10 months ago
Weston A. Price foundation is funded by the beef and dairy industry.
gyrate4 10 months ago
I send my sincere condolences to each and every VEGAN out there...hope u make it!!! ;-(
I can not stand the obvious display of arrogance by the speaker, yes he might have the whole vegetarian community backing him but that does not make right to speak for anyone other than himself. After all its only FOOD folks, it is not as if he just addressed the 3 billion people who live in darkness without electricity and the poverty plagued nations around the world.
btw Dr Price was genious
ismaelovic71 11 months ago
@ismaelovic71
Condolences? give it a rest Einstein....
Pot meet kettle......... As if WAPF are not full of moronic, arrogant people. Dr. Campbell is a scientist, with an impressive background in research. Dr. Price was a dentist whose foundation recommends baby formula made of cow’s milk with heavy cream and other oils..hhhmmmm
Cow's milk is for baby cows, how is it that you don't get that?
waitingroom05 11 months ago 2
@waitingroom05 I do get that, thats why I drink goats milk...I do not subscribe to any of these relatively new dogmatic practices like veganism or fruitarianism. I think we should look at irrefutable evidence rather than rhetoric hot air. YES Dr. Campbell is a well respected scientist but his opinions doesn't sit well with me. I am also not the craziest fan of WAPF beacuse as you said they do have few extremist out there. My advice to you is forget his degree ask for his pedigree.
ismaelovic71 10 months ago
@ismaelovic71 You drink another species' milk, and you're calling a natural diet bad names?
"irrefutable evidence" - I'd rather look at irrefutable proof. A fruitarian diet (ie fruit-BASED vegan) is simply the most natural way to eat, and the 80/10/10 book explains that. AND before you tell me to not just follow what one book says, I haven't READ the book. I already GET it, and I see that Dr Graham does too (I have seen him speak)
Gary1111001 10 months ago
weston price are evil
TheJUNGLESURFER 11 months ago
how old is he?
thallious9876 1 year ago
@kimchidressagemama Sorry, you are right.
retrogradeorbit 1 year ago
@kimchidressagemama Mary Enig is not a member of the Weston A Price foundation.
retrogradeorbit 1 year ago
@retrogradeorbit Yes she is, see for example wikipedia
headveg 1 year ago 3
@retrogradeorbit Mary Enig is a member of the Weston A Price foundation because she has books published under Newtrends Publishing, Inc., a publisher linked to the foundation. Try again
gongoozler18 4 months ago 2
@retrogradeorbit Not only that, Fallon's degree is in english. Who better to lie than somone good at fiction?
gyrate4 4 months ago
@spruntfemalespray .Theres an amazing product called Sun Warrior Protein which is complete plant based, Vega by Brendan Brazier is good to... check it out.
RyanDotTv 1 year ago
"They are not scientists.." mary Enig, PhD, biochemistry
kimchidressagemama 1 year ago 2
@spruntfemalespray take hemp protein its the best... I do not eat meat.. i squat over 320 pounds and run the 100 meter dash in 11,3 seconds.. i deadlift 400 pounds... i play basketball and workout 5-6 days a week... you DONT need meat !!! My veritcal is 35 inches !! All my fellow meat eaters are behind me on everything.. i only weigh 165 pounds ,5,5
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With the China Study that Campbell wrote, he also fails to mention the county of Tuoli - a group of Chinese people who have one of the lowest rates of cancer and heart disease (as well as low cholesterol) yet they consume the highest amounts of meat, fat and dairy of any province. Their rates were far healthier than almost vegetarian provinces. Why on earth would Campbell leave that out? Oh YES, because it disproves everything he stands for! Go check the original study for yourselves!
Eyecandy4u 1 year ago
I endorse Professor Campbell's statements.
Bill Misner PhD
AAMA Board Certified Alternative Medicine Practitioner
Certification #32872409 (2004)
"Phytonutrition: Finding Fitness For Life!"
TheDrBillM 1 year ago 5
Fish don't seem to be adversely affecting the Okinawans. Why supplement one's plant-based diet with modest amounts of animal foods as do the Okinawans?
auggiedoggy 1 year ago
@auggiedoggy There's a great/interesting book called "Healthy at 100" that has a whole chapter on Okinawans. You might enjoy that. Good read.
stockinettestitch 11 months ago
@stockinettestitch : Thanks for the info!
auggiedoggy 11 months ago
@picklesloveslight there's been hundreds of vegan woman who've been vegan during pregnancy and have raised healthy children on a vegan diet. It's all about responsibility and feeding your children properly. Often the infants are breast fed.
scott4238 1 year ago
BIO-INDIVIDUALITY
Everyone has unique body chemistry. One person's Healing Food is another person's Poison. Experimentation is the only way to pin down what works best for you.
Some animal protein and some high quality fats are balancing and needed for most people.
LLDONO222 1 year ago
@LLDONO222 Wrong. Raw vegan diet is what all humans thrive on period. Get your facts right. Is there any evidence proving a fruit or vegetable to cause disease? No. Yet there is vast amounts of evidence showing animal products destroy and break down the body. Same with cooked food.
TerrificTyler777 1 year ago
@LLDONO222 needed for most people? I don't think so....
people just become so used to it that they falsely believe that their bodies actually needs the animal protein. it's a misconception, like many of the other things in our lives...
sk0616 1 year ago
What bothers me the most is babies dying or being permanently brain damaged because their parents insisted on imposing their diets on them.
If one wants to be vegan fine, but do not impose it one your child. Don,t get pregnant if you do not want to eat meat during your pregnancy and while breast feeding.
Why would one want to take such risks with their little baby? Come on ... I will fight in the memory of these children forever.
They died because of misinformation.
picklesloveslight 1 year ago
@picklesloveslight You sound like you are spreading misinformation. Is there any conclusive proof that a vegan diet is harmful?
apocalist420 1 year ago
@picklesloveslight Don't trash things you no nothing about.
A PLANT-BASED DIET IS NATURE'S ORIGINAL DESIGN. IT IS THE NORMAL WAY TO EAT AND WE ARE PRIMATE-FRUITARIAN HERBIVORES.
Meat-eating women have MIScarriages all the time (but no, that has nothing to do with meat). But one vegan's baby dies in 5 years and of course..........to an ignorant person.
MEAT IS THE RISK. The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine RECOMMENDS veganism for all, and the ADA and WHO support veganism
Gary1111001 10 months ago 2
@Gary1111001 The PCRM is a pro-vegan organization funded by PETA among others, of course they recommend it, it's their agenda.
ADA (American Dietetic Association) paper actually spent page after page after page showing how difficult vegan diet really is, and what it really entails for health, not a blanket recommendation. They recommend vegans get professional nutritional counseling, in fact...
As for the WHO I can find no recommendation for veganism from that agency. Can you?
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@AlbertaBeefy The WHO recommends under 40 grams of protein a day. U can't do that with meat unless u under-eat.
PCRM are physicians who pledged to "Do no harm", so yeah, they're true to their agenda. :)
The ADA knows u don't need meat, but sounds like they buy into dietary myths(protein incompleteness, etc, etc, etc). I've proven 1st-hand those myths are false by NEVER complementing proteins, eating under 50g of protein a day(high-fruit), and gettin stronger on the weights
Gary1111001 3 weeks ago
@Gary1111001 Wow, that's either an outlandish lie or you don't research what "facts" are given by your vegan propaganda sites.
In the WHO's own paper, "Protein and Amino Acid Requirements in Human Nutrition" which is updated and available on their website, if you cared to check your "facts" they state "value accepted for the safe level of intake is 0.83 g/kg per day"
There is nothing about a "under 40 grams" recommendation anywhere.
Get your facts straight.
AlbertaBeefy 3 weeks ago
@Gary1111001 As for PCRM pledge to "do no harm" - first, barely 7% of the PCRM are physicians. Second, their physicians and their organization has repeatedly been in trouble with the American Medical Association for "doing harm". Look it up.
They're a vegan-propaganda-agency, nothing more.
AlbertaBeefy 3 weeks ago
@Gary1111001 BTW, the WHO's and US RDA of protein (both .8g/kg of bodyweight) are based upon today's sedentary lifestyles.
All research shows athletes benefit from more dietary protein and amino acids. Research by Kent University (as well as other research) shows athletes benefit from 1.2 to 1.8g/kg of bodyweight daily depending on if they are endurance or strength athletes. All evidence shows up to this level being safe.
Once at a level above 2.3g/kg it can be unhealthy.
AlbertaBeefy 3 weeks ago
@Gary1111001 Hey Gary - theoretically you *could* be under 40g of protein a day - if you were a 90lb sedentary person... Not many people are.
For anyone athletic, it's been proven that slightly over 2x the WHO and RDA amounts may be necessary for peak performance without any health-related side-effects.
For a 300lb obese person working out, they'd likely need 1.2g/kg+ of bodyweight which is a minimum 163g per day. For a 150lb sedentary person, ~ 60 to 100g depending on activity.
LCHFinCanada 3 weeks ago
@goofyreligion3 yeah and some researchers say that soy is toxic and even dangerous for us.
picklesloveslight 1 year ago
Dr.Price was right on and he was not the only one to find that meat eaters were healthier. Vilhjalmur Stefansson also loved 11 years with Eskimos, who had exceptional health and plenty of doctors came to the same conclusions.
It is very true today that people now living a primitive life style.. eating almost only meat, are much more healthier and barely have cancer compared to us. People are very surprised when they see what these healthy people eat... mostly meat and it's fat !
picklesloveslight 1 year ago
@picklesloveslight
Thats right Eskimos are quite healthy, but they live in the nature and eat raw. Also you have to mention that the average age of them is only 30!
Gieszkanne 1 year ago
@Gieszkanne They did eat raw but their life average was 76, according to WHO .. higher then most
picklesloveslight 1 year ago
@picklesloveslight
Yes nowadays but now they get vegetables and fruits!
Gieszkanne 1 year ago
@Gieszkanne average means that some die at 1 month old, or 1 year old and some at 60.
RawClorophile 1 year ago
I love this man. Taste Preferences may change but Dr. Campbell will always be the best. We talked in depth three years ago in NYC, & I was honored for his time. He is a breath of fresh air amidst so-called wellness pros. I have a wellness & fitness center since 1989. I've been vegan myself since 1989 and RAW VEGAN since 1999. I teach food and fitness and specialize in RAW VEGAN muscle building with whole food- no pills, powders or gimmicks. The China Study is the number one curriculum book here.
RawFitChris 1 year ago
This man is amazing, never seen anyone speak like that! If anyone watches this and is not convinced, they should seriously reconsider, Peace to all!
cihankenar1 1 year ago 2
The Weston Price Foundation is not supported by "industrial farms" who feed their animals soy meal, or other grains that they are not meant to eat. They are very outspoken about how animals need to be grassfed. I'm sure they do get supported by farms who pasture their animals, but that's not where the money is. Those farms are small, because their meat costs more. This guy is saying that they are delivering this message because the big farmers are paying them too. Not true at all.
becky5653 1 year ago 3
Alright!!! One more group/foundation/athority I am proving wrong!!!
Another benefit to veganism AND raw AND high fruit) is: I like to show that people are being tricked from every angle and screwed at every hole.
Gary1111001 1 year ago
When opponants(glutenous eaters) start getting upset and attacking - you know that vegans are getting more populous. And you can see that happening.....large sections in the bookstores for vegan AND even RAW, at least 4 different veg magazines, websites, and youtubers continuing to sprout up :))
Go to Yahoo Q&A -- every day in the veg section someone asks " I wan to go veg. But in the food section do you see a ? "I wan to START eating meat???? If you do, it's probably Cliff. lol
Gary1111001 1 year ago
@Gary1111001 That's very sad ... so many get sick because they were fooled into trying an unnatural vegan or raw diet. Some children, mostly babies, have even died because of their parents forcing their vegan diets upon them.
if you are gonna be vegan at least eat milk products ....
cancer and heart disease has soared since people have been reducing their animal fat intake.
all we can do is try to wake people up so this doesn't happen to them.
picklesloveslight 1 year ago
@picklesloveslight Did you watch the video? You have it backwards
Gary1111001 1 year ago
@picklesloveslight I've known people with heart problems & needing surgery. Don't we all? And they all eat a lot of meat. A BIG meat-eater I know was just diagnosed with stomach cancer (it's nothing to joke about Angela). This guy INSISTED meat was important (now it doubly not funny; just sad)
Gary1111001 1 year ago
@Gary1111001 well, most people eat a lot of meat and are not sick. Heart disease and cancer were rare not to long ago and and people were big meat eaters.
Our ancestors remains show us that when they had barely any meat, serious deficiencies were found in their bone samples, they had much more disease, grew less and so on. There was a dramatic change in health when they were able to eat more meat and then group hunting came along, people turned to grains and health deteriorated.
picklesloveslight 1 year ago
@Gary1111001 I have nothing against vegans .. I was almost one before I did some research and saw that it simply wasn't for me. I now find it very dangerous for nutritionists to be playing around with human diets and telling them to eat less of what is most nutritious for them. They obviously are ignoring historical facts and archeology. Would you tell a cow to eat less grass because of pollution? or a bird to eat less worms? Animals follow their instincts, as should we.
picklesloveslight 1 year ago
@picklesloveslight
I have never heard of babys dieing because they became vegan nutrition. Are you a telling stories?! And raw is unnatural? Are you joking. Do you have seen any other animal who cooks his meal.Raw=natural
Gieszkanne 1 year ago
@Gieszkanne look it up on Google .. not hard to find and many x-vegans also have stories of their own. That's why I chose not to become vegan. I did my research.
picklesloveslight 1 year ago 2
@picklesloveslight
What is not hard to find?You will find also vegans who have no problems. Just take the Hopis. In nutrition you will find for almost everything pro and con. That just shows that there more believes than science.But to be honest there are also a lot of contradictory facts and cases. Its not easy
Gieszkanne 1 year ago
@picklesloveslight reducing their animal fat LOL. You are crazy if you believe that!
82Bdog 5 months ago
For all those who are confused about the B12. In the China Study, Dr. Campbell already addresses this issue. He states that because the United States does not use living soil we are, therefore, not getting the proper B12. Plants naturally get B12 if they are grown in organic soils. However, since the US grows plants in dead soil - we are being deprived of many minerals, including B12. I hope that clears this up.
LoveNow1111 1 year ago
@LoveNow1111 That is a very desperate attempt to try and prove that people should be vegan. History and anthropology prove otherwise.
picklesloveslight 1 year ago
@picklesloveslight All the longest-lived populations ever studied ate a high-carb plant based diet and meat was always a very small percentage of the diet. Where do you get your info? As I said before the okinawans were a great example before 1950 (65-69% of their calories came from sweet potatoes). All of the longest lived and healthiest pop studied got most of their calories from starch whether it be rice,potatoes,corn,squash,barley,etc.
82Bdog 4 months ago
@LoveNow1111
I have heard that there are even meat eaters with lack of B12. I guess there is still a big "?" around B12.
Gieszkanne 1 year ago
@goofyreligion3 yeah exactly... i was vegan for 3-4 years and i ended up with a bunch of cavities, and excessive weight loss. I get sick seeing so much pride/ego in veganism, all these people are fooling themselves. Veganism doesn't exist in nature, cows eat grass that contains insects and insect eggs. Dogs and cats eat meat. I can't believe people think this guy looks healthy, nature is about survival of the strongest, this guy looks like he would not last 30 minutes in the wild.
egosurrender 1 year ago 2
@egosurrender What were you eating?
82Bdog 4 months ago
he takes b12 pills yet he promotes the vegetarian diet..uh, yeah very smart :P How could W. Price be funded by the meat/dairy farmers, he was against pasteurized milk and meat from non grass fed animals. Vegetarian diet = no vitamin D, no b12. Thats enough to prove its WRONG. And please dont say u get vit D from sunlight, not everyone lives in California. All of Canada experiences 6 months of cold weather and/or lack of exposure to sunlight, what are they supposed to do for vit D? eat meat.
egosurrender 1 year ago
Factory farmers hate the Weston A. Price foundation! They only like healthy grass fed meat and dairy! This guy is stupid or a liar.
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Another reason to avoid the Vegan Diet is EFA deficiency, primarily DHA/EPA. Plant based Omega3 efa, known as Alpha Linolenic acid has to be converted for your body to use as DHA/EPA, this conversion rate in humans is very low, usually at a rate of 1-4%. Jesus, the saviour of the world ate fish, it should be ok for everyone else.
tickyul 1 year ago
Do people really think it's natural to be taking supplemental vitamins, such as B12 because you don't get it properly in your diet when eating plant-based foods?
I'm sure that cavemen went down to Walmart and got some Puritan's Pride every time they needed more vitamins...
Sully1111 1 year ago
@Sully1111 How long do you suppose those cavemen lived?
jasco999 1 year ago
@jasco999 Is living 90+ years worth the health ailments you might get?
Also, how do you think cavemen were able to live long enough to reproduce and eventually get to where we are today? Do you think cavemen were able to evolve by eating textured soy protein? Don't count on it. And yes, protein played an extremely vital role in human development, a macronutrient vegetarians would know little about.
Sully1111 1 year ago
@Sully1111 Nutrient density of food is important, when we as a species of animal use fire to prepare our food prior to eating, we destroy the nutrient value of these foods. Do people really think that using fire is natural, given that of ALL animal species in the world humans are the only species cook their food, and co-incidentally we as a species are the least healthy.
veganath 1 year ago
@veganath You do realize that cooking many foods neutralizes BAD components in them, such as anti-nutrients, and also releases much more vitamins and whatnot in some? For example, broccoli is better for you cooked, not raw. Also, you basically just reaffirmed my statement that NUTRIENT DENSITY OF FOOD IS IMPORTANT. How much do you think this density is "destroyed" in meat as compared to raw veggies? The difference is very minimal, and meat is still ultimately more "nutrient dense."
Sully1111 1 year ago
The question is how much/in what proportions and how often do we consume these raw animal products for a healthy diet...
mikek241 1 year ago
there is a definite distinction between raw milk and meat versus cooked milk and meat. raw food is raw food. since we are quite capable of being omnivores, raw milk and meat are (given ideal growing circumstances) able to be part of a healthy diet.
canadianroot 1 year ago
Well, I checked the website he refers to and he has absolutely NO MORE material there than he talks about here. In other words, he never addresses the critiques, he only puts forth silly ad hominem arguments.
davidhalldurham 1 year ago 2
@davidhalldurham he didn't say the website had the information you're referring to, he discussed trying to get his response up. You would know this if you listened to him. He has now published his response which can be read simply do a Google search.
jasco999 1 year ago
@jasco999 I did listen to him, thank you for much, and I found the website by doing a Google search before I posted my previous comment. I stand by my earlier remark: Campbell never answers the critiques, he only gives ad hominem arguments. If you can find where Campbell addresses the CRITICISMS, please let me know.
davidhalldurham 1 year ago
@davidhalldurham this site will not allow me to put the link in you can Google: T. colin campbell and Masterjohn and it will come up.
jasco999 1 year ago
So, all he can come up with are ad hominem attacks. He doesn't even discuss WAPF's criticisms, and he has the audacity to claim the Foundation has no researchers. So much for Campbell.
davidhalldurham 1 year ago 2
Campbell is a vegan nutjob
China Study=FAIL
youlance29 1 year ago
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He should also get up to date on his information. Cholesterol is not a very good marker of heart disease, "Lipoprotein a" is a much better marker for heart disease. Also, deficiences in Vitamin K2 (which you can only get from fermented foods and animal fats) and Vitamin B6 which is best absorbed from raw animal fats, are better markers as well.
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numuoct30th 1 year ago
If you have to supplement with B12, a key nutrient in human health, then you are obviously not that healthy and are not getting everything you need to from your "100%" plant diet.
numuoct30th 1 year ago
@numuoct30th
Vitamin B12 is created by bacteria and fungi. This is an unfortunate case where cleanliness has lead to a deprivation of a vital nutrient.
Herbivore mammals still consume regular amounts of B12 producing microorganisms in their diet. For example, cows eat particles of bacteria producing manure when they graze on grass. Herbivores such as cows require B12.
Now I'm not advocating rubbing manure on your veggies, but I don't think the B12 argument is enough to discount a vegan diet.
jdb336 1 year ago
Herbivores don't get b12 from consuming poop. They have massive fermenting vats as stomachs that ferment down food via bacteria and these bacteria produce the b12 for the cows
cliff420dude 1 year ago 6
Even if you were to discount this, there are so many other factors. Actual Vitamin A is not present in ANY plant source (it is a fat-soluble activator that is only present in properly raised animal fats), same goes with Vitamin D.
Oh yeah, and remember, we are not herbivores, we are omnivores DERRRR.
numuoct30th 1 year ago
@numuoct30th
Its called the sun....
Einz2 1 year ago
@numuoct30th vitamin D- the sun. vitamin A-tons of it in leafy greens like spinach an romaine and many other vegetables. Next
82Bdog 5 months ago
I love how he says Weston A Price Founation is funded by farmers (yes, a lot of the members are farmers, but a lot of mothers and families). He does not mention what kind of farmers that WAPF supports (which are local small farmers who practice methods to rebuild the soil and better animal husbandry), but then proceeds to comment on factory farms. This gives people the assumption that WAPF is supported by factory farms. He knows what he meant to do there.
numuoct30th 1 year ago 3
Mary Enig, PhD who was the original pioneer in getting the information about the dangers of trans fats (all the way back in the early 1970s) is a founding member of the Weston A Price Foundation.
T. Colin Campbell should do his research (even though I am sure he knows this).
Weston A Price was a research, scientist, and practicing dentist.
numuoct30th 1 year ago 3
If he was as healthy as can be, he would not have to wear glasses. Macular degeneration is directly related to diet. The Bate's Method, or eye exercises/yoga, may also work. There is extensive evidence that grains cause an array of inflammation. Allergies, for example, are not just random. There's always a cause. Dr. Campbell says in his "debate" with Dr. Cordain that people can consume grains as long as they have no allergies. Actually, evidence suggest grains cause allergies.
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cac040 1 year ago
@ DerekChaunessey
" IF HE was as healthy he wouldn't have to wear glasses??"
Don't be ridiculous. It is well known that body function deteriorates REGARDLESS of how healthy you are as you age
my goodness your so ignorant
theLearner 1 year ago
His comment about vitamin B12 is extremely significant.
Consuming too little vitamin b12 can lead to permanant and irreversible neurological damage.
If a vegan diet is truly the best diet, why doesn't it supply needed amounts of b12 without supplements?
Before I would consider a vegan diet for myself or my children, I would need to see 5 generations of people eating a purely vegan diet with no b12 supplements.
Until then, I prefer to get my vitamin b12 through "natural" sources.
daytonadudenheimer 2 years ago
I agree. I may have noted this on a previous comment on this video. I've been sifting through the vegan versus Paleo diets. T. Colin Campbell v. Loren Cordain. I was and am totally open to both, but the B12 argument lends to the Paleo view. Also, what if we lived in Alaska or Siberia, for example, where an array of plants are not available pre-transport. We would have no choice but to consume wild meat, fat, and some plants seasonally. Maybe sea vegetable.
DerekChaunessey 1 year ago
@ DerekChaunessey
its ok if you like meat, we can tell by your fantasy analogy of the Siberia all meat diet. We don't care if YOU choose to eat it. when you have your arteriosclerosis I hope your happy
theLearner 1 year ago
@theLearner you are so right
dream2last 1 year ago
Weston Price Foundation sites scientific studies done by large institutions and credible scientists that are not included in published information journals that are funded by large industrial food corporations. It is very scientific.
nellieeeeee 2 years ago 2
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Mr. Campbell and many other vegans I have come across do not look healthy and they seem very weak. He appears to be stumbling in this video and holding onto things. Check out Dr. Mercola, vibrant and very strong. Appearance and vitality say enough for me.
stevenbecky03 2 years ago
As a Vegan who runs marathons, snowboards, and swims regularly I can tell you that if someone does not look healthy or weak it has nothing to do with being a vegan.
citadelgrad00 2 years ago 31
your dam right man!!!
MrTruthseeker135 2 years ago
@citadelgrad00 do you eat milk products?
picklesloveslight 1 year ago
i think he looks much healthier than the average meat-diary american joe. don't you think.
MrTruthseeker135 2 years ago 15
@MrTruthseeker135 I see absolutely no difference
Inflamsx 11 months ago
Check out the Shaolin monks on youtube, they are vegan and have tremendous strength. Carl Lewis former Olympic champ was a vegan. are you stronger?
Stonewalljackson7 2 years ago
He has been doing nutritional research for 40 years, so my guess is that he is in his 60s or 70s and he looks to be in pretty good shape. Also, you can look vibrant and strong and still get cancer...
MisterBicycle 2 years ago
NOTE: Goat's milk contains 13 percent more calcium, 25 percent more vitamin B-6, 47 percent more vitamin A, 134 percent more potassium, and three times more niacin. It is also four times higher in copper. Goat's milk also contains 27 percent more of the antioxidant selenium than cow's milk. Cow's milk contains 5 times as much vitamin B-12 as goat's milk & 10 times as much folic acid.
jewelsthemonkey 2 years ago
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These are just things that I have read. I am NOT a scientist. I am a graduate student of literature! I read. A lot. I am also a raw foodist in the sense that I get about 80% of my food from raw plant sources. To note for transparency: I am a vegetarian; I have not ever had raw milk or fish and I actively avoid all dairy products with the exception of free-range, locally-sourced eggs.
jewelsthemonkey 2 years ago
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The protein frequently referenced in Campbell's book is casein from cow's milk. Casein is a type of protein found in all mammal's milks, though apparently goat's milk is more similar to human breastmilk than cow's milk. Furthermore, goat's milk tends to have a higher mineral content than cow's milk.
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jewelsthemonkey 2 years ago
@jewelsthemonkey
Human casein and bovine casein are different proteins with different amino acid sequences. Not surprisingly, human children are adapted to digest human casein.
waitingroom05 11 months ago
Derek:
You asked below what raw vegans think of raw milk. There is a difference between raw vegans and "raw foodists." I know some raw foodists who occasionally consume raw goat's milk--not cow's milk. Some raw foodists consume raw eggs and raw fish too. They usually get most of their daily intake from plant sources, but are not vegans.
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jewelsthemonkey 2 years ago
So what do vegans say about the paleo diet? In that diet, they also say an abundance of fruits and vegetables as well as no dairy, but allow lean meats. The big difference is that the paleo diet says no grains -- no rice, wheat, oats, etc. Supposedly hunter gatherers didn't eat grains before the advent of agriculture about 10,000 years ago. My question is, weren't those cereal grains found in the wild before agriculture? It's not like grains randomly showed up when some guy started tilling soil.
DerekChaunessey 2 years ago
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I want to feed him a soft boiled egg from a pastured chicken, perhaps in some slop-fed bacon lard.
It hurt to listen to him. He didn't have a lot of "uhs" and "umms" - he's obviously well versed in his research and beliefs --- but he seemed exceptionally tired, and his reaction time between thinking and speaking greatly reduced. Should this be considered old age? To me it appears a good sign that animal fats are vital to both energy and cognitive ability.
iamMISSWORLD 2 years ago
The cancer correlation of the China study doesn't match what Campbell wrote in his book.
FactorCorrelation ScoreSignificance
Meat Consumption-28none
Dairy Consumption6none
Rice Consumption-58Strong Negative Correlation
Wheat Consumption67Strong Positive Correlation
Other Grain Consumption39Moderate Positive Correlation
Green Vegetable Consumption5none
Blood Cholesterol4none
sarrass1 2 years ago
What do all these things mean?
DerekChaunessey 2 years ago
@DerekChaunessey Where there is no correlation that food neither increases nor decreases chances of getting cancer. Where there is a positive correlation people who eat that food type get more cancer. Where there is a negative correlation people who eat that food get less cancer. But its hard to know things for a fact and that's why further study is needed. For example there are very healthy communities that eat wheat. Most people who says that science is settled are selling something.
sarrass1 2 years ago
Couple questions. What do vegans think of raw milk? I've heard pasteurized milk is bad of course, but I've heard raw milk can cure all sorts of things from cancer to aids. Thoughts?
DerekChaunessey 2 years ago
I'm reading Nutrition and Phys Degeneration right now - it's really a remarkable book - it's all about eating foods that are in one's ecosystem, the implications of it are astounding. If WP Foundation just promotes eating grain fed, factory farmed, and pasteurized diary based on Price's work, then Campbell is right to criticize them. I don't know much about the foundation, though. The China Study changed my life and is valuable for what it is. Nutrition is too complicated for just one book.
histerics3 2 years ago
The book looks great and detailed but at the chapter 13 you can find something strange. Hi say:
In the mid 1970's,along came a prime example of a health scam, at least according to the medical establishment. It concerned an alternative cancer treatment called Laetrile.
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he just confront Laetrile with some scam and that's it. After all so detailed numbers and statistics is not strange that about vitamin B17 he say actually nothing. Where is the his research about.
GoodMarilynManson 2 years ago
He was making so much studies about cancer and food and just jumped Laetrile saying that is scum. Does this man talking the truth?
GoodMarilynManson 2 years ago
How does he possibly justify linking the Weston Price foundation with factory farming? Obviously he knows nothing about this foundation, and is only attempting to demonize them.
rick1521 2 years ago
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Dr Mercola says the China study is flawed. He also says he gets one to two patients a month who are sick from not eating meat. I saw Campbell on Larry King last night. T. Colin Campbell looks like every vegetarian I have ever seen, anorexic, cheeks all sallow and sunken in. He looks very unhealthy. Eat some meat!
tomarooney 2 years ago
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AnimalTortureMustEnd 2 years ago
I like Michael Pollan's book on the matter of diet for different cultures; personally, I like the adage of shopping around the outsides of the grocery store. Avoid the processed crap and have some fish or meat if you want. That said, I respect Dr. Campbell's work immensely.
trapsmv9 2 years ago 2
And as opposed to giving my comments a thumbs down, which is a great argument by the way, why don't you just explain why most cultures consume meat, and why cultures like Japan are extremely healthy and consume fish.
DerekChaunessey 2 years ago 2
Why did you give a thumbs down for my first comment on this page? lol
DerekChaunessey 2 years ago 2
In Japan, they consume a lot of fish are are the healthiest country, despite their cigarette use. Yet Dr. Campbell says no fish ideally. Can someone explain the discrepancy. Interestingly, there is a metabolite from an isoflavone in soy that essentially stops male pattern baldness via binding to dihydrotestosterone, called equol, and not all people are able to produce this, but in studies on pubmed, there is a strong correlation b/w equol producers and meat eaters.
DerekChaunessey 2 years ago
Get onto Don Tolman on here. He has a series of 8 videos . . . .
Squabbles10 2 years ago
Have you yourself heard what the Weston Price Foundation and its henchmen say about soy, essentially how non fermented soy is not good for you?
DerekChaunessey 2 years ago
Just wondering if you know -- do you know what Don Tolman says to eat for cold sores?
DerekChaunessey 2 years ago
Japan, has a high rate of stomach cancer. And Just because there disease rate is comparatively low when against a western diet, it doesn't mean that their diet cannot be improved upon. Dr Campbells work is not geared soley on survey, his recomendations are made in consideration of clinical study, and also correlative data from demographical disease stats.
longshanks1980 2 years ago
Japan's diet is highly westernized by now, and they are eating unfermented soy now, which is not good for you.
JesusChrist5000 2 years ago
I believe there are some omega 3s that are long and some that are short, and the long ones can only be procured via fish oil, right?
DerekChaunessey 2 years ago
I read something about the Maasai in Kenya having some of the lowest rates of heart disease and cholesterol levels around, which is interesting considering their diet is high in red meat, animal blood, and milk. Although they do walk/run long distances, so perhaps that helps immensely?
DerekChaunessey 2 years ago
Maybe someone can help me out. I stopped drinking dairy milk and started drinking soy milk, but two large cartons per day. Within a few days I felt like my speaking abilities were less fluid, very choppy, and I'd convey questions and thoughts with less wit than before, making me feel more "retarded". Has this ever happened to anybody? I'm not talking about a serving or two of soymilk but rather two large Silk soy cartons, which is 16 servings!
DerekChaunessey 2 years ago
go papa!!! yea!!
kvafc5 2 years ago
you know that white icky stuff that comes out of a pimple when u pop it? that is wat is in ur milk. ugh i know gross!!! and have u ever watched ur meat cook in the pan? u will see those gross white worms crawling all in it!! Its discusting!! a great you tube video everybody needs to watch is "Meet your Meat".
kvafc5 2 years ago
Dr. Campbell seems unaware of the benefits of eating oily cold-water fish. The peer -reviewed literature is full of studies. You cannot get all your omega-3s from plant sources." Plant sources provide short-chain omega-3s that are not converted to the active long-chain omega-3s that are provided by fish oils.
Dr. C. claims no difference between red meat & dairy vs.chicken. Peer-reviewed literature confirms negative health effects of red meat and dairy, but no risks with chicken.
jgilbard 2 years ago
Exactly. You took the words straight out of my mouth.
DerekChaunessey 2 years ago
Supporters of the Weston A Price Foundation are not factory farmers, nor do they advocate factory farming in any way! Quite the opposite, they advocate free-range grass fed animals and getting fresh milk from someone who keeps a jersey cow. They advocate a mostly organic diet and warn against the poor fat of factory farmed animals. Those animals do not get vitamin D, nor does their meat contain enough omega 3' or CLAs. They support people in making relationships with local farmers.
maggswv 2 years ago 4
For the fortieth time. Dairy is not good, unless of course you want prostate cancer and/or breast cancer and you want male pattern baldness.
DerekChaunessey 2 years ago
Exactly! If this guy is so uninformed about this organization and what it's about, then it makes his other views that much more suspect.
dvdmon 2 years ago
"Dr. Campbell" is actually my grandfather. I am a healthy vegan because of it! :D
kvafc5 2 years ago
I need to go back to eating a vegan diet again. It was silly for me to leave, and I appreciate Dr. Campbell's work on the matter. :)
trapsmv9 2 years ago
If we adopt a vegetarian eating style. What is gonna happen to the omega 3 intake. Is'n it a must?
silversnow2008 2 years ago
you can get your EFA`s from avocado, hemp protein,,, OILS avocado oil, flaxseed oil, olive oil, krill oil, macadamia oil etc
heightboosting 2 years ago
I am vegetarian, but interested in fitness too. Does sombody know if having isolated whey protein is as harmful as eating and drinking dairy products?
silversnow2008 2 years ago
Whey protein...one of the worst substances on the planet -- unless you want to grow cancer tumors! Stay away from it.
headveg 2 years ago
Whey protein has been found to prevent and fight cancer in several scientific studies.
e30m3izzle 2 years ago
e30m3izzle is correct. In 'The China Study', Dr. Campbell's main beef (sorry, I HAD to make that pun) was with casein, as far as milk goes.
trapsmv9 2 years ago
please give me the link to back up your statement.
veggielife 2 years ago 2
He never replied...
DerekChaunessey 2 years ago
@silversnow2008
Whey protein may PREVENT cancer.
Do a web search.
Seaileanu 1 year ago
@silversnow2008 Stay away from all powders and gimmicks. Do not get hung up on protein- you need to get sufficient calories within the framework of a whole fresh plant based diet with very little fat and you will be VERY VERY VERY fit, If you have doubts go to my website and see what a 25 year vegan and even ten year raw person looks like, and my clients who are raw. Just google raw vegan myth Chris Califano.
RawFitChris 1 year ago
@silversnow2008 what is harmful in your diet, is not eating meat.
picklesloveslight 1 year ago
Love The china study and T colin campbell !!!!
heightboosting 2 years ago
Weston A. Price, God bless him, was a well-meaning hobby anthropologist whose hypotheses were not so much "ahead of their time," as totally unscientific. The foundation named for him is borderline Eugenicist. Scaaaary.
tamcon72 2 years ago
Don't cook your oils is all the wisdom.
exclamation3mark 2 years ago
exclamation3mark "Don't cook your oils is all the wisdom. "
More wise it is not to cook at all.
Chrisisms 2 years ago 2
I've heard a few people say to not cook your oils....what does that exactly mean?
0ddler 2 years ago
did anybody find in this video any valid criticism of the weston a price theories?
fornello123 2 years ago
fornello123 "did anybody find in this video any valid criticism of the weston a price theories?"
Better yet- Did anybody ever find any valid support of the weston a price claims?
Chrisisms 2 years ago
i did nt hear anything specific but i think the non scientific, non peer reviewed approach says it all!
topstot 2 years ago
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Shezwax 3 years ago
This is not a new science, Dr campbell talks with FACTS. And is telling the world what I already know. There is no such thing as disease. except what we create, this is not a new science! People talk about disease as if it is a separate entity. U are what you eat U reap what you have sown. laws of nature. Eat all the animals you like, they will speak to from the grave sooner or later in the form of one disease or another.
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