Abortion Debate

[helllspell]

Your argument would be valid if... a fetus were in fact a baby. So demonstrate that first.

[sylentphreez]

the title is misleading. change it to "pro life arguments." i actually wanted to see a debate. not a one sided argument.

[Kimjxoxo]

this guy is retarded

[PALOMITA694]

NO, WOMEN SHOULD NOT HAVE A CHOICE TO ABORT EVEN IF THEY ARE RAPED OR KNOCK DOWN BY THEIR FATHERS OR BROTHERS OR UNCLES IF THEY BECOME PREGNANT THEY MUST HAVE THE THE RAPIST'S BASTARD BECAUSE WOMEN ARE NOTHING BUT LIFE STOCK BORN TO REPRODUCE. "PRO-LIFERS" KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU, WOMEN.

[efan4evr]

u can tell its acting...but still brought up some very good points

[efan4evr]

he brought up some good points.

[coldplayisawesome]

if something is not necessarily "OK" or moral just because it is legal, shouldn't that mean that something is not necessarily immoral just because it is illegal?

[kimmie6209]

@coldplayisawesome Well since you are mouthing off about it and think you are making a point, why don't you give us a list of illegal things that are not necessarily immoral?

[coldplayisawesome]

@kimmie6209 well, i wasn't exactly making a point (or mouthing off), just asking a question. i think perhaps the converse should be true as well.

as for things which are illegal but not necessarily immoral: trespassing, driving without a license or insurance, littering, tax fraud... they're not exactly major crimes, but still.

[sweets4ever1]

@coldplayisawesome those things are immoral?  tax fraud is LYING?

[kbrice100]

@coldplayisawesome

I don't think in the video he meant EVERYTHING that is illegal is ALSO immoral, he was just making a point it's not a religious matter but a morality issue and that SOME laws exist to make immoral things illegal

[mytuber81]

Guy on the left is right on, very intelligent. Great video.

[PALOMITA694]

A TEEN’S WEEKEND AMUSEMENT CHOICES:

Going to the mall, Going to the park, Playing a favorite sport, Going to the beach, Going to the movies, Going to a Party, Staying out late, Slumber parties, Going to a concert, Going camping, Going out of town….Simply having fun.

A TEEN MOTHER’S WEEKEND AMUSEMENT CHOICES:

They don’t have CHOICES They have a BABY

DON’T BE FOOLED, BE PRO-CHOICE!

[sweets4ever1]

@PALOMITA694 yea? heres my argument... teens weekend amusement CHOICES that cause her to have no CHOICES 9 months later.:making stupid CHOICES...ending up pregnant.

DONT BE FOOLED, BE PROLIFE

this sickens me. our whole world today is about "fun". having no responsibility for our actions, blowing off life. well ill tell you what....getting pregnant, having an abortion, and going back to having "fun" is a pure picture of irresponsibility and ignorant.

[PALOMITA694]

@sweets4ever1 Having welfare babies is irresponsible. Giving them for adoption is cruel and irresponsible. Abortion is the best option.

[lifeandphilosophy]

Nice to hear someone acting logically...

[3HumpingKamels]

If i were to shoot a pregnant woman in the stomach and they both die i would get charged with double homicide... why is it that the fetus is a child when the mother wants it but its not a child when an abortion happens.... by that logic i could choose when someone isn't a person and i could do terrible things to them... doesn't make any sense.

[Sueezee1]

@3HumpingKamels says: If i were to shoot a pregnant woman in the stomach and they both die i would get charged with double homicide

~~~~~~~ Thats ONLY because Bush Jr, who signed the act, is an idiot. BUT, he was smart in the fact that in the UVVAct, a fetus is NEVER refered to a person or humanbeing which would give a fetus the right to not be killed. That law is ONLY abou t the womens right to choose being taken away from her.

[TyA12TaKiLa]

great video, really well spoken....real simple and clear.... :-)

[enolam5000]

This guy is good....well done!

[nsdtr01]

why are 2 guys discussing a women's decision?

[TyA12TaKiLa]

@nsdtr01 at least they have some real good points....or THE POINTS

[justaregularguy84]

@nsdtr01 1. It may be the woman's decision but her decision affects someone else, namely the child. By your logic, why would 2 women discuss wife beating( which is, of course, wrong) , since it is a man's decision to beat his wife 2. The truth value of a statement is, i think, only dependent on the person making the statement if the statement is self-referential or an opinion. If the abortion issue is just a matter of opinion, then pro-lifers can't be objectively wrong.

[doonesberry]

@nsdtr01 It is not strictly a woman's decision, women cannot get pregnant alone. This is the big problem with most women, they think it their decision but never give the man a voice about it unless they have the baby and then want child support. Thats when the man comes into the picture.

[Mimasfriend]

"ILLUMINATEDFILMS" I personally agree with all your arguments. I feel that it is morally wrong. However, if someone doesn't want a baby, their not going to. If there going to do it anway, wouldn't you rather have it done by a doctor rather than a coat-hanger? To me, it's not a question of right and wrong, it's being aware of reality.

[bobplatypus]

4:23

hey look, a peoples

[WhiteEmerald1991]

In cases of abortion, there are legal crimes and illegal crimes.

[dontcutthebaby8]

#3 granted its human but its not a "seperate human" and so unlike sex with a seperate minor legislated. prolifers quote Gen. 3:16 To the woman ...pains in childbearing" see it says child but the word child is not in the original text indicating it is not a child it is part of mom so we should not interfere with her choice.

[CambridgeHeights]

When do human cells become a person? That is really at the heart of the abortion debate.

[ahmaZINGandie]

@sango4507 drinking or tobbaco only affects you, but abortion kills an innocent child because the mother made a mistake. You screw up, you pay the price, why should you force your child to pay the price with his/her life because you made a mistake?? Drinking and tobacco aren't anywhere near the same thing as abortion.

[cosmiclegacy]

@msphatgirl72 are you fucking kidding me? keep your fuckin legs closed until you're ready to have a child and maybe there would be no babies to abort. it's a two way street u dumb bitch quit being so sexist

[sango4507]

people are going to do it anyway just like drinking or smoking. still kills people but it isn't illegal either. It is someones choice period.

[TyA12TaKiLa]

@sango4507 it's such a different issue...

[Ethanvoisey94]

your argument only takes pro life matters into hand, plus 70,000 women die each year from back street abortions because the laws of abortion are too restricted, if the laws were losend that would meen less death, also we must remember these 70,000 women are pregnent meaning there are more than 140,000 lifes dieng when we could dramaticly reduce that number

[Darthcombo]

You make very, very good points.

[savercorp]

Antichoicers, in their noble crusade to ease the suffering of the unborn, are personally responsible for so much real world pain, it would be clearly just if they themselves felt it! Scarcity, global STORMING, and the destruction of LIFE ON EARTH you dark ages foolhardy, despite what you BELIEVE, science will NEVER let you go without the direct blame in history. Your cruelty to all sentient life shall not go unremembered!

By: gene diseased

[suburbancuban]

His examples for the first argument are ridiculous. He says it's about choice. Any person can choose to do any of those things, but there are some consequences. But people can still choose to do them.

[msphatgirl72]

Two men debating whether a woman should be able to choose what to do with her body...Novel concept for guys: Wanna reduce unwanted pregnancies? KEEP YOUR PENIS TO YOURSELF.

[tonygmilan7]

@msphatgirl72. no, its two men debating whether or not killing a child is wrong.

[msphatgirl72]

No, there would be no children to abort if there were no unwanted pregnancies. If MEN LIKE YOU would stop having sex with women who will choose to have abortions, there would be no abortions to have. Pretty simple concept there. Men like you want that sex, and want to then tell women they are evil for not wanting to give birth to that child that was made.

Keep your pants zipped GUYS and the babies you are so worried about will never face that evil doctor, will they?

It's all up to the MEN.

[tonygmilan7]

@msphatgirl72. i agree with you. absticence is the only 100% proven form of birth control.

[kbodde]

77% of Anti-abortion leaders are men and 100% of them will never get pregnant.

This video exercises poor logic and fails to take into account a woman's perspective. We could go round and round about this but let's meet on common ground and work to reduce abortions.

[JeppyWick]

i know plenty of women who hate abortion. the viseo's point is that it is not about the woman, because it is not her body that is in jepoardy, it's the baby's.

Not many people will claim to be proabortion, but being prochoice is the same exact thing. The authorization of the mother to kill a baby

we do not want to kill the woman, but you want to let the women kill the baby

[HELPSTARFISHATTACK]

fantastic vid... thanks for this

[InstantViolet]

This was wonderful.

[Celtics711Milans]

Cheers Boys!

Yes, Yes,Yes I DO!

I Love Life,

how about you?

[thewayoutisin]

Great job guys. I admire your work. Thank you and God bless you.

[wood9670]

Just curious, was going to war with the Nazis in order to end the genocides be considered anti-life to you?

Do you support nations going to war for the defense of their citizens lives?

There are many more pro-life woman than men so do you believe these woman are anti-woman?

How do you respond to the early feminist, the vanguards of the woman's rights movement, who opposed abortion?

h tt p : / /w w w. feministsforlife .o rg /history/ index . ht m

[eddiehatred]

@wood9670 Due to abortion not being an inherent right that comes along with a woman's reproductive system, and is instead the legal immunity from prosecution for having a medical procedure which by definition kills human life, why do you believe a woman should be given the privilege when the pregnancy is a result of her own actions, and does not pose a threat to her life? Should men have the right to opt out of a willing Mother's pregnancy?

[wood9670]

@eddiehatred, I think you have me confused with some one else, I am 100% pro-life.

[lcmoreno1]

Biologically speaking, a living organism is defined as that which can undergo certain processes such as metabolism, adpation to its environment, response to stimuli, and reproduction. The unborn human has the capacity for all this or potential for it just like a 2 year old child.

[deeeebs1234]

Yes, that is true but i was looking for the definition of life, not a person.

Define life properly.

What are the charecteristics of a living thing, tell me.

[lululvslife]

cont'd....These arguments are not scientific. Personhood is as intangible as a soul. If we must keep our religion off of u then u should keep ur philosophy off a fetus.

[wood9670]

lol, very clever. It is very difficulty to empirically demonstrate that someone has a right to do something.

[Headhunter004]

Also, a fetus is NOT a person. Why? A person is, by definition, someone who is an individual, that means living separately and whole, a fetus does not, in any way, fit this description. It's NOT separate because it can't live without feeding off of its mother's uterus, hence it's a PARASITE.

BTW, don't even give me that "if you have sex you must be forced to have the child" BS, sex is NOT just for procreation, it's for us to enjoy and only 5% of women who have sex don't use contraception.

[FactCheckitFirst]

That is Not True. A fetus can live outside the womb at a very early stage. Babies who are "born" cant live without others either- so can we kill them too? Pro-Choicers and Planned Parenthood both agree that a fetus is a human being. Humans inside the womb are smaller,weaker and less developed-but these are differences of degree not of kind. We all know people who are weaker and smaller, but that doesn't make them any less human. (This is exactly what Hitler proclaimed about the Jews"

[Headhunter004]

"That is Not True. A fetus can live outside the womb at a very early stage."

No, it can't. Studies show that it is rare for a fetus to survive prior to 22 weeks, and even at 26-28 weeks, it has difficulty surviving unless given expert postnatal care because the central nervous and respiratory systems aren't completely differentiated. The earliest reported premature birth survivors at 21 weeks and 5 days gestonial stage.

[Headhunter004]

Also, PP said in their medical report a while back that a fetus at 12 weeks (which is when 90% of abortions are performed) can't be compared, IN ANY WAY, to one of us, hence it being a person (which it's not and even if it were, it wouldn't matter). Also, a newborn baby is only SOCIALLY dependent on its mother, it is mentally and physically independent, a fetus is dependent on its mother in EVERY regard, not to mention a newborn no longer has to feed off of its mother's body for survival.

[lululvslife]

Who drafted the definition of what constitutes a person? UR guilty of what many religious pro lifers do. Let me show u the similarities. I have a deep respect 4 the constitution, but its not infallible. It was written by men. Abortion was never mentioned specifically. The Roe v Wade ruling was the interpretation of 7 MEN not some all knowing god, 2 of the justices dissented. Why should I accept ur definition of personhood? cont'd..

[deeeebs1234]

So as soon as you came out of the womb you were all ready to go? You were able to raise yourselve? Hence, were you are PARASITE at that point? Please answer me. Oh, and define life.

[Headhunter004]

It has nothing to do with being able to raise yourself, it's all about the potential to experience life in ANY context, which a non-viable fetus is COMPLETELY INCAPABLE of. A newborn fits this description (like I said, it is only SOCIALLY dependent on the mother, it is independent in every other regard), a non-viable fetus does not.

Oh, and a life is any living thing, that doesn't make it a person, though, because, guess what? Cancer fits this definition, too!

[FactCheckitFirst]

The fact is this... From conception to old age we are all human beings. We are all at different stages or degrees, but nonetheless, human beings and therefore deserving of life. Your description of a person is. your Deffinition. According to you, even newborn babies aren't independent people - so why should they be allowed to live - if Mommy changes her mind, lets kill them too, what's the difference, they can't live on their own, their helpless and technically a parasite?

[leiapeison]

when we say she should be able to do with her body what she wants, we mean she should not be forced to USE her body as a support system for another life. that she has a right to not have something inside her against her will let alone living inside her.

[Headhunter004]

EXACTLY! That "women can do whatever they want with their bodies" is a common misconception on both sides of the debate, they can't do WHATEVER they want with their bodies, per se, but they CAN deny anyone and anything from using it by ANY means necessary, a woman can get an abortion for the same reason that she can kill a rapist in self defense (if at all possible, which most of the time, it isn't).

[4u2b1ib12]

Stop masturbating, gentlemen. Death is death, no matter if it is illness, murder, accident, age, or abortion. Men have made fools of you women with violence. Pro-life women have been conditioned to reflect religious or social values. When they counsel you about keeping the baby, do they provide money to provide for that child? It is their beliefs that are controlling you. Men have ruled using violence and their own self-worth. Ladies, violence has made you fools, choice is your life. You go!

[Tideliner]

The best thing about abortion, is that the destructive, liberal-minded, arrogant, hypocrits are voluntarily thinning out their like-minded offspring.

Imagine what the world would be like with MORE of their kind !

[oMTVkilledRock]

... a better place?

[halli321]

Yeah.

Maybe when the day comes when I can look a 15 year old poor rape/incest victim in the eye, and tell her that she HAS to have this pregnancy. Even if she can take the abortion pill only after a matter of days when the "fetus" is actually a small ball of tissue no bigger than a pearl. And that girl has to go through the physical & mental agony of carrying this rapist's reminder of what he did to her. Than MAYBE I would be Anti-Choice. But I can't bring myself to be that selfish and cold.

[kb084]

I think it's pretty shitty when people say that women should have no choice whether to get an abortion if she's been raped. That's hypocritical and cold. Imagine being forced into sex then forced to bear the child for 9 months. She shouldn't feel like the moster, she isn't. I think it's low when people make a rape victim feel bad for getting and abortion, like she doesn't already feel bad enough. Of course it isn't fair that the child doesn't have a say. But her life matters too.

[JonathanRE91]

Well, it's not like you are having to choose between the life of the child or the life of the mother. It is either the mother receives 9 months of pregnency and then a painful delivery, or the child loses all of the life that he/she would have. Yea is't not fair for the mother, but her unpleasntness would be less than that of the child.

[cosmeauxsmom]

Women still die in childbirth

[Katvin1234]

its not a pretty reality but its a woman's right, has nothing to do with me

[gmussina]

youre a moron. it doesnt have to do with you, but you talk as if it only has to do with the mother. it has to do with the unborn child also. the "my body my choice" argument it total bs and you know it because its not the woman who dies.

[Katvin1234]

i said it wasnt pretty, just as a child being raised in an unloving/unfit environment isn't. nor is an animal being euthanized because their owners cant pay for expensive medical bills. the world is often an unpleasant place and we make choices that dont sit right with everyone. if one of those unpleasant choices means a would-be teenage mother goes to university instead of raising a child, who are you to deny them that chance? especially in a case of rape/incest

[JonathanRE91]

I myself was born to parents who didn't really want me at the time. They were both on college, and had many plans before me. I am glad, however, that they did not choose to abort me. Your probably glad your mother chose life as opposed to choice.

[angelshoulders]

America will not reject abortion until America SEES Abortion.When he signed the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act on August 5, 2002, President Bush said, "This important legislation ensures that every infant born alive -- including an infant who survives an abortion procedure -- is considered a person under federal law." He added, "Today, through sonograms and other technology, we can see clearly that unborn children are members of the human family, as well."

[JonathanRE91]

I agree with you completely, but you cannot win arguments with mudslinging (moron, bs), it makes pro-life people look bad.

[angelshoulders]

Pro-life Americans should vigorously oppose any federal health care reform legislation that does not explicitly exclude abortion from the scope of any government-defined or government-mandated package of health care services. Get involved, go to National Right to Life web and with just a click you can let your congressmen, senators know how you feel. Then with one more click, you can send the form letter to all you know

[JonathanRE91]

That is like saying "Well, I shouldn't care about what the Natzi's may be doing to the Jews, because I don't fall into either category."

[Katvin1234]

i think an appropriate analogy for my reasoning behind being pro-choice is the old saying about our justice system. that we would rather 100 guilty men walk free than 1 innocent man go to jail. there are unfortunately situations where abortion is warranted, like in cases of rape or incest. this is not why all women get abortions, but there is no one with the authority to say who has the right to an abortion or not, so everyone has the right. its not pleasant. its reality.

[JonathanRE91]

Who is the one innocent man? I think that it would be the unborn child, and the 100 guilty men walking free would be the injustice on the women that we really cannot do anything about. If not, then who is what in a case of rape? (which, by the way, accounts for less than 1% of all abortions)

[Katvin1234]

1% is pretty small when you say it like that. but its not as if there have only been 100 abortions, right? that little tiny 1% still accounts for tens of thousands of cases, if not more. i could say that abortions account for less than 1% of all the deaths of human life in the world but that doesn't appease you, does it? and i think you know exactly how i would explain that analogy, you seem smart enough to get it.

[johnnwajuobi]

you spelt "Natzi's" wrong dude

[Logicc101]

Would you ever go to a rape victim and say, "Look on the bright side, you could have gotten pregnant." Of course not. The pregnancy (or lack of) does not diminish the trauma of the rape.

Well aborting the baby may help you forget about her rape, she will never forget about it.

[angelshoulders]

A rape is very difficult to get over, but with professional help, you can: But to get over killing your own baby!?!8. Emotional Impact- Watch particularly for the following signs:

- Guilt, Anger, Anxiety, Depression, Suicidal Thoughts, Actual suicide attempts

Anniversary Grief, Flashbacks of Abortion, Sexual Dysfunction, Relationship Problems, Eating Disorders, Alcohol and Drug Abuse, Psychological Reactions

[Katvin1234]

hope no one in your family ever gets raped and has to give birth to a child symbolic of the hate and anger that conceived it. or die during an illegal abortion. might bring those statistics a bit closer to home, tho

[shelbeylynnslo7]

it's not the babies fault.

[leiapeison]

its not the womans fault either and it isnt for anyone to decide that she must have her vagina ripped open again by pushing out the seed of a rapist let alone carrying the result of his violation within HER body for 9 months. it isnt as simplistic as you make it. these are real people with real feelings and lives. who are you to dictate until you have walked a mile in their shoes? have you been raped?

[winsorsomeone08]

Please. Only 32 women died in the United States from illegal abortions in 1972. Those deaths from illegal abortions around the world, are mainly because of a lack of adequete emergency healthcare. Secondly, you're fear-mongering just like the Republicans do. "You better hope none of those terrorists from the Middle East come over here and kill your family, because if they do, you'll wish we had staid in Iraq." It's fear-mongering, not logic.

[Katvin1234]

youre right its the exact same thing

[cosmeauxsmom]

Only 32? And how many men died from illegal abortions that year? And how many women die from childbirth and pregnancy annually? And how many men die from childbirth and pregnancy? Do you see my point?

[SolideoGloriafella]

@cosmeauxsmom

Males die all the time when abortions are performed.

[cosmeauxsmom]

and never from childbirth, not one time, not ever, medically impossible - see my point yet?

[angelshoulders]

Abortions are done mostly for non-medical reasons. As the abortion industry itself admits on the website of the Alan Guttmacher Institute, "[T]hree-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner."