Isaiah 7:14, go to biblegateway . com and put that verse in, chose any bible version you want, none of them say "she" will call him his name, what say you profMTH video loader
and IF there are errors its bc "man" is the one who messed it up duh idk why u people think that ur so great that you or sum weird organism has created the earth oh yea thats reaaaaal likely
This video is further proof that the Bible can't the word of God because it contains errors that can't be explained away as mistakes in translation or copyist errors etc. Excellent.
The gospels as we know them are the decades old remembrances of illiterate fisherman which were translated into Greek and then later into Latin and then finally into English and other modern languages. factor in the recopying of manuscripts by only barely literate medieval monks and you end up with world's longest game of telephone tag.
None of the above proves that Jesus was not the Messiah. rather it shows the distorted view that some modern Christians have of what Messiah actually means/t.
Your tone is too disparaging for my tastes, but this series is otherwise well thought out.
You successfully point out some inconsistency between the so called old and new testaments of the Christian Bible.
The inconsistencies and errors are not surprising however if you remember and accept that The Bible is not an unaltered word-perfect carefully rendered transcription by an omniscient God.
Your overarching statements about "apologists" (all are recent, some are not that great: I call a strawman) and their claims are not totally true. Jesus can stand on his own. Why I believe Jesus is the Messiah: watch?v=86n0eZJGQfY
Also, on what basis do you think your literal understanding of the Hebrew Scriptures is correct?
You ignore the "prophetic portrait" as a whole (the person of Jesus Himself - watch?v=aebSN9c-C6k) for a few details.
Du... just like every single scientist, atheist, agnostic and buddhist has ever know that jesus was only a false prophet and a liar... just like mohammed. But well try to say that to a Muslim ju, ju.
@ProfMTH: Jesus rose from the dead, see the History Channel's documentary on the Shroud of Turin titled: "The Real Face of Jesus" it is $10 at Amazon. Those who are not willing to at least consider this evidence perhaps shouldn't be so willing to speak up about His identity one way or even another.
@purnapoosmom The Shroud of Turin? You mean the one that appears to be made of material not even in use in the area at the supposed time (based on actual dated burial shrouds found in Jerusalem), and which the majority of scientific analysis place as a (albeit complex) forgery from the middle ages, and of which no definitive record exists before the late 1300's? That shroud?
"Hosea 11 1When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt. 2As they called them, so they went from them: they sacrificed unto Baalim, and burned incense to graven images."
Obviously this is a fabricated prophecy for Jesus. When talking about Israel and saying, they went away from God when Jesus never did.Did Jesus sacrifice to Ballim? (Matthew 2:15)
@carlos130321 oh no, dont send me to your imaginary hell. fear and guilt, the shameless tools of the church and its dumbwittery. you duped yourself, just like those that believe in aliens,bigfoot,lepracauns,witches etc. its a big club with many self deceivers.right, im off in search of the lochness monster. [wink]
@carlos130321 so your a confirmed idiot as some might say. well done,dont drop your mask of self deception your brain cell might not be up for the truth.[wink]
Branch of David MANY prophets spoke of. Where line of David today?
Called a "Nazarene" was having evil reputation (Matthew in accord with Isaiah 53) pictures Messiah as a "root springing up out of the dry ground.
Most well known names for the Messiah among the Jews was Tsamech or Branch, based on Isa 11:1) word Netzer exact equivalent. Title Nazarene stood for reproach & fulfillment of Messianic Branch (Netzer) out of David's roots.
H5139: nâzîyr / nâzir: consecrated one, devotee, untrimmed (vine), by implication, a branch, something that grows separate from a main body, as a root that springs fourth new growth.
@kram83au Go to google and type in "religious map" look at the first picture that comes up. All you religious people think that you are the correct one.....how the hell is a god searching person supposed to choose the correct one????. Also look up a list of God's in human history, there are thousands with all similar stories and claims.....how the hell is a non believer supposed to be convinced that your God is the right one??? The same reason why you reject the others is why i reject yours!
@gacwalker exactly man. im just throwing a spanner into the mix of the delusional. check the post above,''evey ones days are numberéd'' another self decevieng clown that wont drop the god glassess for fear of his world falling apart.. ''every ones days are numbered''. a brilliant piece of wisdom. lol
The scriptures was not created to prove that Jesus was a Messiah, that's a job for Holy Spirit, who bring a testimony to a people's hearts. So the author of this video is looking for an evidence in a wrong place.
16=And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, [ JESUS ] justified in the Spirit,, [ JESUS ] seen of angels,,[ JESUS ] preached unto the Gentiles, ,[ JESUS ] believed on in the world, ,[ JESUS ] received up into glory.,[ JESUS ] ,[ JESUS ] ,[ JESUS ] .
2 Corinthians 4' 3.
3. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost...
In 1998 Jesus came to me and let me know in no uncertain terms that punishment from Him to me wasn't out of the question on account of my love for porn.
These "intellectual" types can say what they want, but it will never overthrow the truth of what millions of us know regarding Jesus and His divinity.
@carlos130321 "You like your place of power and are not willing to admit to the idea that you could be wrong. You spent so much time trying to justify the life you know so well...."
Thanks for the ad hominem. None of this correct, but let's assume it is. *You* still have to address the substance of the arguments I've made. And that, I suspect, is something you're incapable of doing. But, please, prove me wrong.
@ProfMTH John 5: 45 "But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. 46 If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. 47 But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?"
NOW Lets look at Moses says...
Acts 3: 22 For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a PROPHET LIKE ME from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you.
@shadywolf91 If memory serves, the Greek word translated "tree" in some versions and "cross" in others is actually just wood. In any case, there is no doubt that the authors of the New Testament looked to the Jewish scriptures for inspiration and details about Jesus.
Just incase you didn't know Prof, Kabane has come back with about 6 videos or so in response to these videos. If you ever felt inclined to return to this series you'd have a serious amount of material to work with.
Seriously, man, nearly everything here gets answered by an analysis of 1st century Jewish hermeneutics. They didn't use the same Bible we did -- they used a Greek translation (Septuagint) or an Aramaic one (Targums) -- and they didn't have our Greek, linear mindset. What you call "misquoting" was apparently common and accepted; the same "criticism" applies to Paul's use of scripture to teach in his epistles. They just didn't think like we do.
@philWynk "A little multiculturalism might go a long way"
LOL. Yeah, that's the problem: I'm inadequately multicultural in my approach. I'll give you credit for coming up with a somewhat unusual excuse for the mess that is Christian messianic "prophecy."
Nor will you. You're not interested in discussion, understanding, scholarship, or any of those good things. You're on a personal vendetta of anger. I'll bet a whole lot of my personal wealth that this is all really about something personal to you. What is it, I wonder?
Your objection was "[t]hey just didn't think like we do." It's a mere assertion that doesn't really say very much.
"You're not interested in discussion, understanding, scholarship, or any of those good things."
Quite the opposite, actually. But even if I weren't interested in any of those things, you would still have to do more than toss out the assertion "they just didn't think like us" in response.
(con't) @philWynk "You're on a personal vendetta of anger."
Not at all. But it's clear you've got a penchant for baseless speculation and ad hominem. However, even if I did have a "personal vendetta of anger," the arguments I've made still rise and fall on their merits (regardless of motivation) and, therefore, have to be responded to on their merits. Merely asserting "they just didn't think like us" doesn't get that job done. In fact, it rather lazily avoids the job of actual refutation.
@philWynk It's interesting that you deleted your Zechariah-related comment. Perhaps you've realized that I *did* deal with the alleged Zechariah connection here --> /watch?v=hZOPIBTCHfw and that it, too, is one of the "dumber excuses" for the bogus claim in Matthew.
Without even looking at which prophecies you claim to debunk, what you're proving is that certain Christian apologists overstate their case and overwork certain passages from the scripture. To claim that this proves that Jesus is not the messiah is just, plain laughable; it commits the very same fallacy that these overwrought apologists are committing.
Hilarious!!!!
I gladly grant you that some apologists overstate their case. And so do you.
@philWynk "Without even looking at which prophecies you claim to debunk...."
Always a smart way to approach things: don't look at the material under review. It's just a little bit better than covering one's eyes and plugging one's ears. "Yawn" indeed.
@ProfMTH Indeed. There was a very specific and CORRECT criticism of your approach in that comment, which I notice you ignored. Certainly, nothing in this video "proves" that "Jesus was not the Messiah." At best you've raised the question of 1st century Jewish hermeneutics. And now, you've proved that you're not really interested in scholarly pursuit or reasonable discussion, just in firing off insults.
Just another irrationally angry ex-Christian. (yawn)
@philWynk " Certainly, nothing in this video "proves" that "Jesus was not the Messiah.""
What this series demonstrates is that the basis for Christians calling Jesus "Messiah" is thoroughly bogus because it's based on misappropriations, misquotations, and the like.
"firing off insults"
Where did I "fir[e] off" even one insult? Please quote me. Thanks.
@philWynk That's not an insult. It responds to what you wrote, i.e., "Without even looking at which prophecies you claim to debunk...."
"You don't think that would be insulting if someone characterized you as doing that?"
If I ever start a comment on someone's work by saying that I hadn't even looked at the material under review, I should hope the person would point out that it is an erroneous approach.
"Disingenuous."
I can only go by what you write. I don't read minds.
@ProfMTH "What this series demonstrates is that the basis for Christians calling Jesus "Messiah" is thoroughly bogus"
Hmm... I saw you quote lists claiming that there were 300+ prophecies fulfilled by the Messiah. In the first video, you claimed that 6 of them were based on misquotes or misappropriations.
Even if we accept your arguments, you've managed to debunk 2%. Do you suppose your readers think you're sampling the examples randomly, so 2% failure translates to 100% failure?
@philWynk The series has 3 parts and a 4th part in which I respond to some objections. I take it you've only viewed the first part. However, am I to understand you're conceding that the alleged prophecies I discuss in this part of the series are, in fact, bogus?
Utterly devastating critique and analysis. How can anyone believe in the veracity and truth of the Bible after a video (and series) like this one? A true delusion indeed.
This is a very interesting series. You've demonstrated how Christian apologetics/the early gospel writers twisted passages that WEREN'T meant to be messianic to their own purposes. Now would you mind posting some of the key prophecies that the Jews believed/believe today ARE messianic from the Jewish scriptures? (ie passages widely accepted by Jews as pertaining to the messiah)?
Thanks for sharing and this proves that sc Jesus was not the Messiah. Therefore the New Testamant is a bunch of fabricated books from the Old Testament, they have been altered and distorted by man.
Hi, I have enjoyed watching your videos Prof MTH, however i think you need to read some apologetics writing that actually is specifically aimed at dealing with your objections! I might suggest the books Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, Volume 3 and 4, which covers the objections given in your series, from what i can recall. They are authored by Michael L Brown, who has dedicated his life to studying the hebrew scriptures, and Jewish objections which you seem to list. Enjoy. Ben
The problem with David as Messiah is that David was a SINNER. YHWH is HOLY and CANNOT look upon sin so why would He send David (again)?Translators made mistakes when translating. Holy Spirit gives insight THAT David was a TYPE an SHADOW and had SIN.Yahushua had NO SIN, HOLY Messiah. You a Torah keeper? You sacrifice animals and tithe a tenth of everything you own? My people perish for lack of knowledge & The letter of the law kills but the Spirit brings life.
mathew 27:9 it says spoken not that was wrote, and zac 11:13 And HaShem said unto me: 'Cast it into the treasury, the goodly price that I was prized at of them.' And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them into the treasury, in the house of HaShem. this has to be read in the white flame lol.
you are so wrong man or woman lol foretold by the prophets mathew 2:23 was foretold by prophet isaiah in 9:1 and v 2 the land of nephtalim or sea of Galilee is the same Nazareth and the jordan river flows in to it lol no wonder GOD has not give you vision you never pay attention to your creator lol blind man or woman. that make you what you are a lier in the eyes of GOD.
@shystie21 A person following a false prophet (and obviously so) should be the first to repent. But it's not likely you'll be getting down to that anytime soon.
I haven't looked further in the comments, but, what about the virgin and young woman difference? Isn't that also important, because of translation? From what I've understood, the word 'alma' (young woman) was used to refer to Jacobs' daughter AFTER her rape, but christianity uses it to describe Mary as a virgin. Any thoughts on this?
I'll respond to the first one you mention here, Matt. 2:23 "....which was spoken of by the prophets..." The Bible says that not all things were recorded, if the prophets only spoke of it, it may have been handed down by verbal history.
But there is also indications the Isaiah 11:1 may very well have been what it was referring to, the Hebrew language being subject to debate.
i dope no one takes this seriously...Jesus is the Christ translated Messiah...we have more of a historical record abour Jesus then we do about Alexander the great of plato....
While I can fully understand your reasoning, as a defense of my reasoning (although you may see it differently) I'll say that to me Isaiah 9 points to a Galilean Messiah, while Micha 5:2 points to a Messiah that is also born in Beth-lehem, and Isaiah 53 points to an expiating Messiah, and Isaiah 49:16 points to Crucified Messiah. But above all, I have a witness in my heart that Jesus is the Messiah. While you may take issue with that I wish you would be more respectful.
@ProfMTH Your video comes across with a tone of mockery, perhaps that is not your intent, if so I apologize for any assumption of your intent. But it does come across that way.
@0x783czar How else should he address your comment? Was he supposed to hold your hand, pat your back and whisper abject apologies because you sensed a "tone of mockery"?
What sort of arrogant, self-righteous, sanctimonious bullshit is that?
Do you think your rights, feelings and sensibilites deserve more consideration than mine or ProMTH's? Why is it that you feel the need to nitpick about mockery and respect?
Your religion doesn't respect me. I don't have to respect your religion.
@ciaochowbella I make no demands, just expressing my opinion. His video has a right to say whatever it likes in whatever way it likes, I just expressed my own opinion, I feel we could all do better at treating each other better. I respect you, I'd appreciate it if you respected me–that's all.
@ProfMTH No not at all. One choses to be offended. I am not offended by your video, I just hold the position that all religions as well as atheists and agnostics could do well to respect each other a little more.
@0x783czar WHY should he be more respectful? By what right do you claim that religion be respected? Why should he not mock what is ridiculous? Why should he consider your tender sensibilites when many of us, myself included, are offended DAILY by the preachments of Christianity?
Who said you had the right to remain UNoffended or had the right to expect respect?
Just because you believe something doesn't make it right, good, decent or worthy of respect.
one thing first u take forever to get to a point...now u have only refuted possible a few prophecys. but their is so many more. like his wounds. or him being called god. the more important ones. besides noone will ever be able to fulfill the prophecys that jesus did such as being the deseandant of david. cause who know now who the descandent of david is? the blood line has been lost in time.
I have zeal for the house of God that doesn't make me messiah nor does that mean the prior passage about a sinner repenting has to be attributed to Christ because he had zeal Emanuel is a name for all who believe so yes they or we shall call him Emmanuel because God is with us(plural). there are 7 degrees of separation concerning Messiah: humanity, Jewishness, tribal origin, family, birthplace, his life reception and death, and chronology of appearance. I didnt see any of these addressed here
Jesus is the Lord n lover ze savior the messiah n ill tell ya why Jesus was not born ov normal kind God implanted him inside mary also God made him in mankinds form ta show us how life is he never sind once but he felt each feelin we felt also nowher in ze history mankind has any man layed down there life for anothers redemtion also when they pierced his skin on the cross only watter came out not blood there fore hes pureist n the MESSIAH
If this isnt bad enough, the teachings of the "messiah" promotes slavery more than anything else. people shouldn't build any earthly reputation or ave hany possessions, and should seek to be united with enemies, and to allow their people to persecute and rob them..all in the name of obedience
It is easy to say words with little learning due to proud heart. The truth are revealed to the humble and willing to spent time to investigate and seek for the truth. The existence of Yeshua alone is the ultimate evidence that God Exist and with us.
@rcarlomagnus You're an idiot. Rambling on and repeating meaningless drivel you learned in church doesn't edify or illuminate. You're just showing us how silly, uneducated, brainwashed and ridiculous you are.
Please stop. You're embarassing yourself and making Christians look bad.
@ciaochowbella It is Factual based on Archeological and textual evidence the Yeshua/Jesus Lived and resurrected. This is the ultimate proof of his authenticity. You can try your historical analysis about the matter. Instead of calling names, why not make a case study about it, Let see where you ll go. BTW I didn't learned these at church, I use the intellectual faculties the intelligent designer has given me.
@rcarlomagnus CIte your source for this archaeological and textual evidence.
BTW, you might want to publish a paper on this. You'll be famous. See, no one else has been able to prove this so if you do, you'd be praised by billions.
Oh, if you're intelligently designed, why do you have an appendix, coccyx and wisdom teeth? Why are your sexual organs intermingled with your excretory organs? Why are you so susceptible to disease, temperature changes and need to eat so often?
@ciaochowbella We have the gospels, Josephus, Tacitus and others. The Pool of Shiloam, Pilate, Chaipas and others have all been discovered by written in stone. There is so much more, also in the youtube vidoes the zeigest reponse youll see more. Indeed the truth will set us free. Godbless
@rcarlomagnus The Gospels, Josephus and Tacitus were ALL written after the alleged time of Jesus. Not during. Josephus and Tacitus have both been proved to be fraudulent and the Gospels are not reliable in their history and were not written by eye-witnesses. I've gone over your supposed evidence when I was in Baptist university and found it, as did every reputable Biblical scholar, to be unreliable and not proof.
Indeed, the truth DID set me free. Your god doesn't exist. I'm free of the fear.
@SatchmoSings Believe it or not, reading the Bible "saved" me. After reading that tome of torture, hatred, violence, misogyny, xenophobia and treachery, I could not associate myself with that dogma any further and maintain my moral integrity.
I'm better than that. Mangy, flea-bitten, plague-ridden rats are better than that!
@rcarlomagnus Oh, and even if Christ did live and was resurrected, that still leaves all your work ahead of you. That no more proves his divinity than a virgin birth does. LOTS of supposed god were born of virgins. A 'virgin' birth merely is a credit to the cleverness of the 'virgin' who gave birth and saved herself from punishment by claiming divine nookie impregnated her.
So, prove it, mister. Show us ALL this irrefutable, contemporary testimony of the existence of your Jesus.
@ciaochowbella. The very existence of such idea made it possible. Before people can t believe that out of small amount of matter tremendous energy could be released, But science prove it that they are wrong. Who could believe the gravity can bend light? none, but it exist and is true? We can not rule out that possibility of a divine birth, death and resurrection, when in fact there are biblical and extra biblical sources showing that it exist. More than any that lived.
@rcarlomagnus No, the existence of an idea doesn't necessarily make it possible. The idea of fairies, elves and unicorns exists, yet they don't. I can posit the idea of a tiny world of blue people living in my toilet tank, but it's not possible.
I've asked for the extra-Biblical, contemporary sources for your assertion. The science you state is beside the point. You've still not proved your claim. Just because you SAY we can't rule something out, doesn't make it true. That isn't a citation.
@rcarlomagnus..Indeed the debate could never end unless something really happened. I can name numerous scholars and you can name yours. I can say that the biography of Christ is more substantial than any that lived you can say no. Thereof believe what you believe, and I will believe Christ. For there will be no harm believing him if he tells us to love not to kill or do evil, and be bounded by his rules of trust. love and sacrifice. But you can believe what you belive. YHWH bless you
This is funny I didn't even say a point here, what if I turn out an atheist, would you say the same? but there is already judgement. We dont even have a cup of tea together but here you say all of these. Isn't it that you are the one in fault of mind conditioning and and logical fallacy? It is like saying that since he believes this and say this he could never be right. What if it turns the other way? God bless you
@rcarlomagnus Quote: "This is funny I didn't even say a point here, what if I turn out an atheist, would you say the same?"
Yes, I would say the same, to anyone who would express that general attitude. Most atheists I know have no problem with christians believing whatever they want, but when they start imposing on others, like me, who don't share their views, then I draw the line. That's what I mean by arrogance and pride, the rightness of their fake views and a lack of humility.
@rcarlomagnus Sorry I accidentally deleted my last comment. It was not intentional. I'm not used to the new system. I don't know if I can undelete it.
Jesus is the Messiah.. If we look at the original greek text of the GOSPEL, MARY was a son of Joseph, So there are 2 Joseph,The father of Mary who came from david and joseph his husband also a son of david. Also Its obvious in the targums, the septuagint that the masoretic text has more complicated issues due to religous bias. These is the reson why it is harder for a Talmudic student to belive in YEshua compared to the people of Yeshuas time which understand the prophecy
Jesus was NOT a descendant of King David and hence failed to fulfill the prophecy . Joseph was said to be but Joseph was NOT his father according to the book.
@LAWAGO The problem is that you are not a mere skeptic, but rather with preconceived bias. I suggest you reading the origal greek and hebrew text of the gospel or try Mr google.. let see what youll find
the fabricated prophecies: not to many, when scientists found the dead sea scrolls, and compared the ancient scriptures and the modern scripture, there were twelve verses that were fake, Now Jesus did fulfill about 400 old testament prophecies, the most obvious of which is when Jesus talks about Judas Iscariot betrays him, however, there are many, many more,
@ProfMTH Why are you trying to prove the non existance of Christ as the messiah, has the fact that you are GAY anything to do with it, as most GAY ppl would love the world not to believe in GOD as the Hebrew GOD of the bible has a set Judgement for Sodomites and also Christ will return and rid the earth of Satanic practices. I respectfully suggest you stick to topics you can approach from a non bias position as yours is null and void.
@TheWatchman144K He doesn't have to prove "non-existence" which is an impossible thing to do. YOU, as the one making the claim, have to prove that Jesus existed.
Run along now. You have a LOT of work ahead of you.
As for your homophobia, please refer yourself to the University of Georgia study that correlates homophobia with hidden homosexual tendencies, preferences or desires.
Or as my mother always says, "the guilty dog barks the loudest."
@ciaochowbella oh really, thats if you believe in the mess they call psychiatry, most doctors do not, neither do I, also thats wishful thinking on you're behalf, I compare it to calling the Jews of Israel Khazars, then they label you anti semitic, but is that even a proper word, no and are they the real jews, no... its all in there head
@TheWatchman144K Actually, it wasn't a psychiatric study. It was a sociological one what with homophobia being a sociological phenomenon and not a medical or psychological diagnoses. As for doctors giving credit to psychiatry, ALL psychiatrists are doctors. Psychologists don't have to be docs.
As for the rambling mess of the rest of your message......if ANYONE ever desperately needed chemical restraints, it is you. You've most gorgeously demonstrated your utter lack of connection to reality.
@KuppinCasual Millions of Jews, Protestants, Muslims, Indians, Negroes and Orientals where MURDERED in the name of Jesus since Xstianity came to power in western nations. Can this evil be called Messiah???
@KuppinCasual Before you can claim Jesus as your messiah, you have to prove he actually existed.
Please provide contemporary, extra-Biblical evidence that the person known as Jesus ACTUALLY existed. Once you do that, then we can decide if he was human or divine. However, you have to prove you HAVE a man before you can prove he was a holy man.
@ciaochowbella I'm not even gonna take this seriously; Well for starters the The Gospel of Jesus Christ, were 4 people giving their eyewitness accounts. Secondly, they have D.N.A. Evidence of Jesus' blood on the shroud of Turin.( some conspiracy theorists say the clone of his DNA will be the anti-Christ.) yah, I think he exists -_-
I suggest you reread Psalm 69.The man IS NOT a wicked man.His "zeal for Gods house has made enemies OF the wicked.He says in verse 4"what i DID NOT steal,I then have to restore.You are guilty of the very same creative license you accuse others of.
Jesus set the stage for the end of religion , " the finisher of our faith". Looks like he was Double - Crossed. They became "fishers of men" and baby killers in order to protect the church. Instead of "saving" us they helped us get to heaven sooner than we would have got there on our own.
look at at the Shroud of Turin science that proves its authentic and the Arc of the Covenant found below Crucification site. Your argument is weak.. Be careful what you claim...If you are wrong you are an unlucky man
Jeremiah 8:8 and the end of Revelations speaks of lying scribes....hence why Mohammed was raised up by the Lord to punsih Jerusalem...duh. Stop reading letters and getting lost in words...pray to God and feel His Spirit! God gives us signs too...Muslims believe Christ is the Messiah- check out miracles of 2004 tsunami...why would God spare their churches if they were not His???
@TheSpydermunkee Easy, God is too proud to let churches go; all religions who claim their origin is from Israel have the same God...they might be at odds as to which religion is "the true path" but they all agree there's only one God & he's proud He's getting all this attention, having His followers spread out so far across the globe
Besides, simple Demonology posts Lucifer as the Abrahamic incarnation of Pride; Proud demon, proud God...sounds like one in the same right there
The Whole'' he shall be called Immanuel'' Isaiah 7:14 Prophecy is NOT a Messianic Prophecy in the first place.Isaiah 8:4."I went unto the prophetess and she conceived and bore a son". Isaiah went to his wife and ,got her pregnant. isaiah 8:18Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.
So, Isaiah is saying that the signs given to Ahaz are Isaiah himself, and his children. Stupid christians.
Wow, Prof. You get a lot of naive Christians responding to this video without ever actually commenting on it's content. They just quote the parts of the bible that they think supports their position, as if that was going to win over anyone who already disregarded the bible.
the "Holocaust" deceit coupled with "Israel" signifies when the jews abandoned their long-awaited "Messiah" in order to serve as their own messiah. But now the many lies about the Germans have unraveled and the jewish supremacists have been exposed once more. Perhaps less than 100,000 jewish deaths resulted from WWII which was instigated at the behest of the international jewish bankers. The jews have profited unbelievably from WWII but in return forfeited their "Messiah".
You really need to do your homework, I have no idea where you are getting all this nonsense from. Jews were persecuted by animals PERIOD. Look at the detail of deaths and the rise of Atheists, It doesn't work, Life without a moral code and value ends up in high divorce rates, and barbarism...
I have no Idea where you are getting this nonsense from...
Jews not only never abandoned the Messiah but have proved the existence of G-D Just by surviving Gentile genocides, and know the coming is near and await with it with a smile, and have never abandoned G-D and the Torah.
@BlessedBeTheTruth Only a loathsome, piece of shit would believe such an atrocious line of garbage. Hungary lost more than 200,000 Jews alone. Every Jew in Latvia was killed.
Rev 1: 4,5,8,11,12,13,17,18, Rev 22:12-20, God says, “I, am Jesus, the A and the Z, the bright morning Star, the Beginning and the Ending, God, the Lord, Jesus, the First to rise from death, to die no more, the All Powerful One who is, Jesus, and was, and Is coming again, the First and the Last, who died, who is now alive forevermore, who has the keys of hell and death, am coming soon”. He's worthy of worship. Rev 1: 5 "...Give to Him everlasting Glory and praise, for He rules forever. Amen
Continued: Further, Zephaniah prophesied about 60 years after Jeremiah, so if Jeremiah had spoken the prophecy, even though Zephaniah's was the first recorded in writing, it could still be attributed to Jeremiah, as he would have chronological precedence. It would not be the first time that two prophets made the same prophetic pronunciation. (Isaiah 2:4 * Micah 4:3; Hosea 14:2 * Hebrews 13:15)
So what Matthew actually stated is that Jeremiah "spoke" the prophecy. (Jeremiah 7:1,2) While it is true that often the spoken words of prophets did become recorded in writing (Matthew 3:3 as compared with Isaiah 40:3), there is precedent that not all spoken words of the prophets became written. (Numbers 11:26-29) Even some that did get written, were destroyed. (Jeremiah 36:23) And in some cases his words, but not his identity. (Judges 6:8; 1Kings 13:1)
The Hebrew word nazar means branch. There are several OT prophecies that says the Messiah will be the "branch" (Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, Zech 3:8, 6:12)
From his genesis to his exodus to his baptism in the Jordan to his forty days in the wilderness, Jesus was identifying himself with the covenant people. He was the embodiment of Israel..
Matthew didn’t think Hosea 11:1 was a direct prophecy about Jesus and his family going to Egypt. And Hosea certainly didn’t mean it as such. The passage is about Israel’s Exodus out of Egypt and about her subsequent idolatries and adulteries. Matthew understood that. He wasn’t trying to give Hosea 11 a new meaning. But he did see something Messianic in Hosea’s words. Jesus would be the faithful Son called out of Egypt, filling up what was lacking in the first faithless son, Israel.
REV 22-16 IS THE BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR-VENUS WORSHIP--ITS ALL ASTROTHEOLOGY-JESUS IS REPTILLIAN WORSHIP-AND HE WAS BARIED IN SRINIGAR-INDIA--ANYWAYS--CHRISTIANITY IS --A THROW AWAY SOLAR CULT RELIGION WAKE UP-THE SAME STORY WAS RUNNING AROUND THE MED FOR `1000 YEARS BEFORE RA HORUS--MYTHRA-KRISHNA-SAME STORIES --IT CAME THRU THE MEROVIGN BLOODLINE THIS RELIGULOUS NONSENSE
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mancsakacarl 1 day ago
jesus was the messiah
mancsakacarl 1 day ago
Great video series. Thank you much.
JeremeK 2 days ago in playlist Christianity is Wrong
Isaiah 7:14, go to biblegateway . com and put that verse in, chose any bible version you want, none of them say "she" will call him his name, what say you profMTH video loader
hemet92544 2 days ago
and IF there are errors its bc "man" is the one who messed it up duh idk why u people think that ur so great that you or sum weird organism has created the earth oh yea thats reaaaaal likely
oldzensoul 5 days ago
i cant wait until he comes back and all of the sntichrist will cry for our help then ... hehehe
oldzensoul 5 days ago
This video is further proof that the Bible can't the word of God because it contains errors that can't be explained away as mistakes in translation or copyist errors etc. Excellent.
MrToby9999 1 week ago
Who cares who the messenger was, did you get the message?
Kirby1103 2 weeks ago
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johnmcook1 3 weeks ago in playlist 'Jesus Was Not the Messiah' Series
@johnmcook1 "moron moron moron moron"
Let me know if you ever have anything substantive to say. I won't hold my breath.
ProfMTH 1 week ago
The gospels as we know them are the decades old remembrances of illiterate fisherman which were translated into Greek and then later into Latin and then finally into English and other modern languages. factor in the recopying of manuscripts by only barely literate medieval monks and you end up with world's longest game of telephone tag.
None of the above proves that Jesus was not the Messiah. rather it shows the distorted view that some modern Christians have of what Messiah actually means/t.
RespectYourViews 3 weeks ago
Your tone is too disparaging for my tastes, but this series is otherwise well thought out.
You successfully point out some inconsistency between the so called old and new testaments of the Christian Bible.
The inconsistencies and errors are not surprising however if you remember and accept that The Bible is not an unaltered word-perfect carefully rendered transcription by an omniscient God.
RespectYourViews 3 weeks ago
Your overarching statements about "apologists" (all are recent, some are not that great: I call a strawman) and their claims are not totally true. Jesus can stand on his own. Why I believe Jesus is the Messiah: watch?v=86n0eZJGQfY
Also, on what basis do you think your literal understanding of the Hebrew Scriptures is correct?
You ignore the "prophetic portrait" as a whole (the person of Jesus Himself - watch?v=aebSN9c-C6k) for a few details.
misterD418 4 weeks ago
Du... just like every single scientist, atheist, agnostic and buddhist has ever know that jesus was only a false prophet and a liar... just like mohammed. But well try to say that to a Muslim ju, ju.
Kamyu03 1 month ago
@ProfMTH: Jesus rose from the dead, see the History Channel's documentary on the Shroud of Turin titled: "The Real Face of Jesus" it is $10 at Amazon. Those who are not willing to at least consider this evidence perhaps shouldn't be so willing to speak up about His identity one way or even another.
purnapoosmom 1 month ago
@purnapoosmom The Shroud of Turin? You mean the one that appears to be made of material not even in use in the area at the supposed time (based on actual dated burial shrouds found in Jerusalem), and which the majority of scientific analysis place as a (albeit complex) forgery from the middle ages, and of which no definitive record exists before the late 1300's? That shroud?
firefly4f4 3 weeks ago
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"Hosea 11 1When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt. 2As they called them, so they went from them: they sacrificed unto Baalim, and burned incense to graven images."
Obviously this is a fabricated prophecy for Jesus. When talking about Israel and saying, they went away from God when Jesus never did.Did Jesus sacrifice to Ballim? (Matthew 2:15)
MrEmeraldfusion 1 month ago
@carlos130321
"you will find some way to interpret what it says in a way that it says what you want it"
Couldn't the same be said for you?
sweatytoothmadman 1 month ago
@carlos130321 oh no, dont send me to your imaginary hell. fear and guilt, the shameless tools of the church and its dumbwittery. you duped yourself, just like those that believe in aliens,bigfoot,lepracauns,witches etc. its a big club with many self deceivers.right, im off in search of the lochness monster. [wink]
kram83au 1 month ago
@carlos130321 so your a confirmed idiot as some might say. well done,dont drop your mask of self deception your brain cell might not be up for the truth.[wink]
kram83au 1 month ago
ANSWER #2 Zec 11:12&13Even today people make mistakes copying things... Men are NEVER infallible, even Rabbis.
Tzephanyahu 1 month ago
Branch of David MANY prophets spoke of. Where line of David today?
Called a "Nazarene" was having evil reputation (Matthew in accord with Isaiah 53) pictures Messiah as a "root springing up out of the dry ground.
Most well known names for the Messiah among the Jews was Tsamech or Branch, based on Isa 11:1) word Netzer exact equivalent. Title Nazarene stood for reproach & fulfillment of Messianic Branch (Netzer) out of David's roots.
Tzephanyahu 1 month ago
ANSWER # 1 Jer 31:31-34 Jer 33:14&15 Isa 53:1-12
H5139: nâzîyr / nâzir: consecrated one, devotee, untrimmed (vine), by implication, a branch, something that grows separate from a main body, as a root that springs fourth new growth.
Tzephanyahu 1 month ago
@carlos130321 allah is the true and only god.your days are numbered christian fool.
kram83au 2 months ago
@kram83au Go to google and type in "religious map" look at the first picture that comes up. All you religious people think that you are the correct one.....how the hell is a god searching person supposed to choose the correct one????. Also look up a list of God's in human history, there are thousands with all similar stories and claims.....how the hell is a non believer supposed to be convinced that your God is the right one??? The same reason why you reject the others is why i reject yours!
gacwalker 1 month ago
@gacwalker exactly man. im just throwing a spanner into the mix of the delusional. check the post above,''evey ones days are numberéd'' another self decevieng clown that wont drop the god glassess for fear of his world falling apart.. ''every ones days are numbered''. a brilliant piece of wisdom. lol
kram83au 1 month ago
Jesus was not the messiah, Brian was, hehe.
gordogreat74 2 months ago
What I've learned from this video is that the author believes that Jesus was not Messiah, just like those Jews who crucified Him.
MaximOrlov 2 months ago
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The scriptures was not created to prove that Jesus was a Messiah, that's a job for Holy Spirit, who bring a testimony to a people's hearts. So the author of this video is looking for an evidence in a wrong place.
Plavozont 2 months ago
The Number of the Messiah = 234 (english)
--->Yeshua's Numbers = 1140 (english gem.)
--->11:40 PM = 23:40
The Number of the Messiah = 333 (reverse english)
1/333 = 0.300300
3:00 (min/hr hand at 12/3)
-->Lord Jesus Christ = 1230 (reverse english gem.)
ClockNumerology 2 months ago
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1 Timothy 3:16
King James Version (KJV)
16=And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, [ JESUS ] justified in the Spirit,, [ JESUS ] seen of angels,,[ JESUS ] preached unto the Gentiles, ,[ JESUS ] believed on in the world, ,[ JESUS ] received up into glory.,[ JESUS ] ,[ JESUS ] ,[ JESUS ] .
2 Corinthians 4' 3.
3. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost...
2+2=4+4=8+8=16 .
JESUS IS GOD.
believeonetime 2 months ago
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In 1998 Jesus came to me and let me know in no uncertain terms that punishment from Him to me wasn't out of the question on account of my love for porn.
These "intellectual" types can say what they want, but it will never overthrow the truth of what millions of us know regarding Jesus and His divinity.
guyNbluejeans 2 months ago
@carlos130321 "You like your place of power and are not willing to admit to the idea that you could be wrong. You spent so much time trying to justify the life you know so well...."
Thanks for the ad hominem. None of this correct, but let's assume it is. *You* still have to address the substance of the arguments I've made. And that, I suspect, is something you're incapable of doing. But, please, prove me wrong.
ProfMTH 2 months ago
@ProfMTH ad hominem for the win! I'm still waiting for carlos130321 to prove you wrong, but I'm not holding my breath! :)
sKIPper76M 2 months ago
@ProfMTH John 5: 45 "But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. 46 If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. 47 But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?"
NOW Lets look at Moses says...
Acts 3: 22 For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a PROPHET LIKE ME from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you.
Jesus is Prophet
ninjamasterbro 1 month ago
Can anyone give me a link to this question? Was the New Testament originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek?
shadywolf91 3 months ago
@shadywolf91 The original language of the New Testament texts is Greek.
ProfMTH 3 months ago
@ProfMTH So when it says he was hanged on a tree does that refer to the deuteronomy passage or no?
shadywolf91 3 months ago
@shadywolf91 So when what says "he was hanged on a tree"?
ProfMTH 3 months ago
@ProfMTH Acts 5:30
shadywolf91 3 months ago
@shadywolf91 If memory serves, the Greek word translated "tree" in some versions and "cross" in others is actually just wood. In any case, there is no doubt that the authors of the New Testament looked to the Jewish scriptures for inspiration and details about Jesus.
ProfMTH 2 months ago
So much for a "holy Spirit" inspired book....oops!
RadicalMonotheist 3 months ago
Just incase you didn't know Prof, Kabane has come back with about 6 videos or so in response to these videos. If you ever felt inclined to return to this series you'd have a serious amount of material to work with.
Moussyed 3 months ago
Seriously, man, nearly everything here gets answered by an analysis of 1st century Jewish hermeneutics. They didn't use the same Bible we did -- they used a Greek translation (Septuagint) or an Aramaic one (Targums) -- and they didn't have our Greek, linear mindset. What you call "misquoting" was apparently common and accepted; the same "criticism" applies to Paul's use of scripture to teach in his epistles. They just didn't think like we do.
A little multiculturalism might go a long way...
philWynk 3 months ago
@philWynk "A little multiculturalism might go a long way"
LOL. Yeah, that's the problem: I'm inadequately multicultural in my approach. I'll give you credit for coming up with a somewhat unusual excuse for the mess that is Christian messianic "prophecy."
ProfMTH 3 months ago
@ProfMTH But you didn't answer the objection...
Nor will you. You're not interested in discussion, understanding, scholarship, or any of those good things. You're on a personal vendetta of anger. I'll bet a whole lot of my personal wealth that this is all really about something personal to you. What is it, I wonder?
philWynk 3 months ago
@philWynk "But you didn't answer the objection."
Your objection was "[t]hey just didn't think like we do." It's a mere assertion that doesn't really say very much.
"You're not interested in discussion, understanding, scholarship, or any of those good things."
Quite the opposite, actually. But even if I weren't interested in any of those things, you would still have to do more than toss out the assertion "they just didn't think like us" in response.
ProfMTH 3 months ago
(con't) @philWynk "You're on a personal vendetta of anger."
Not at all. But it's clear you've got a penchant for baseless speculation and ad hominem. However, even if I did have a "personal vendetta of anger," the arguments I've made still rise and fall on their merits (regardless of motivation) and, therefore, have to be responded to on their merits. Merely asserting "they just didn't think like us" doesn't get that job done. In fact, it rather lazily avoids the job of actual refutation.
ProfMTH 3 months ago
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philWynk 3 months ago
@philWynk It's interesting that you deleted your Zechariah-related comment. Perhaps you've realized that I *did* deal with the alleged Zechariah connection here --> /watch?v=hZOPIBTCHfw and that it, too, is one of the "dumber excuses" for the bogus claim in Matthew.
ProfMTH 3 months ago
(yawn)
Without even looking at which prophecies you claim to debunk, what you're proving is that certain Christian apologists overstate their case and overwork certain passages from the scripture. To claim that this proves that Jesus is not the messiah is just, plain laughable; it commits the very same fallacy that these overwrought apologists are committing.
Hilarious!!!!
I gladly grant you that some apologists overstate their case. And so do you.
philWynk 3 months ago
@philWynk "Without even looking at which prophecies you claim to debunk...."
Always a smart way to approach things: don't look at the material under review. It's just a little bit better than covering one's eyes and plugging one's ears. "Yawn" indeed.
ProfMTH 3 months ago
@ProfMTH Indeed. There was a very specific and CORRECT criticism of your approach in that comment, which I notice you ignored. Certainly, nothing in this video "proves" that "Jesus was not the Messiah." At best you've raised the question of 1st century Jewish hermeneutics. And now, you've proved that you're not really interested in scholarly pursuit or reasonable discussion, just in firing off insults.
Just another irrationally angry ex-Christian. (yawn)
philWynk 3 months ago
@philWynk " Certainly, nothing in this video "proves" that "Jesus was not the Messiah.""
What this series demonstrates is that the basis for Christians calling Jesus "Messiah" is thoroughly bogus because it's based on misappropriations, misquotations, and the like.
"firing off insults"
Where did I "fir[e] off" even one insult? Please quote me. Thanks.
ProfMTH 3 months ago
@ProfMTH asked: "Where did I fre[3] off even one insult?"
Here:
"Don't look at the material." "Covering one's eyes and plugging one's ears."
You don't think that would be insulting if someone characterized you as doing that? Especially if you were doing the opposite?
Disingenuous, too. Why, you're a real prince of a human being.
philWynk 3 months ago
@philWynk That's not an insult. It responds to what you wrote, i.e., "Without even looking at which prophecies you claim to debunk...."
"You don't think that would be insulting if someone characterized you as doing that?"
If I ever start a comment on someone's work by saying that I hadn't even looked at the material under review, I should hope the person would point out that it is an erroneous approach.
"Disingenuous."
I can only go by what you write. I don't read minds.
ProfMTH 3 months ago
@ProfMTH "What this series demonstrates is that the basis for Christians calling Jesus "Messiah" is thoroughly bogus"
Hmm... I saw you quote lists claiming that there were 300+ prophecies fulfilled by the Messiah. In the first video, you claimed that 6 of them were based on misquotes or misappropriations.
Even if we accept your arguments, you've managed to debunk 2%. Do you suppose your readers think you're sampling the examples randomly, so 2% failure translates to 100% failure?
philWynk 3 months ago
@philWynk The series has 3 parts and a 4th part in which I respond to some objections. I take it you've only viewed the first part. However, am I to understand you're conceding that the alleged prophecies I discuss in this part of the series are, in fact, bogus?
ProfMTH 3 months ago
Utterly devastating critique and analysis. How can anyone believe in the veracity and truth of the Bible after a video (and series) like this one? A true delusion indeed.
SeedsofJoy 3 months ago
@Ronnyvi do some homework...this is just worthless.
Ronnyvi 3 months ago
This is a very interesting series. You've demonstrated how Christian apologetics/the early gospel writers twisted passages that WEREN'T meant to be messianic to their own purposes. Now would you mind posting some of the key prophecies that the Jews believed/believe today ARE messianic from the Jewish scriptures? (ie passages widely accepted by Jews as pertaining to the messiah)?
DoubleshiftStrike 3 months ago
I'm curious what they do actually say, and if it could be applied to Jesus.
DoubleshiftStrike 3 months ago
Thanks for sharing and this proves that sc Jesus was not the Messiah. Therefore the New Testamant is a bunch of fabricated books from the Old Testament, they have been altered and distorted by man.
asayal6 3 months ago
Hi, I have enjoyed watching your videos Prof MTH, however i think you need to read some apologetics writing that actually is specifically aimed at dealing with your objections! I might suggest the books Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, Volume 3 and 4, which covers the objections given in your series, from what i can recall. They are authored by Michael L Brown, who has dedicated his life to studying the hebrew scriptures, and Jewish objections which you seem to list. Enjoy. Ben
tennisaddictben 4 months ago
The problem with David as Messiah is that David was a SINNER. YHWH is HOLY and CANNOT look upon sin so why would He send David (again)?Translators made mistakes when translating. Holy Spirit gives insight THAT David was a TYPE an SHADOW and had SIN.Yahushua had NO SIN, HOLY Messiah. You a Torah keeper? You sacrifice animals and tithe a tenth of everything you own? My people perish for lack of knowledge & The letter of the law kills but the Spirit brings life.
road2perfect 4 months ago
mathew 27:9 it says spoken not that was wrote, and zac 11:13 And HaShem said unto me: 'Cast it into the treasury, the goodly price that I was prized at of them.' And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them into the treasury, in the house of HaShem. this has to be read in the white flame lol.
tecovsyou 4 months ago
@tecovsyou " it says spoken not that was wrote"
Dealt with that in the video. You must not have been paying attention.
ProfMTH 4 months ago
you are so wrong man or woman lol foretold by the prophets mathew 2:23 was foretold by prophet isaiah in 9:1 and v 2 the land of nephtalim or sea of Galilee is the same Nazareth and the jordan river flows in to it lol no wonder GOD has not give you vision you never pay attention to your creator lol blind man or woman. that make you what you are a lier in the eyes of GOD.
tecovsyou 4 months ago
Whoever made this video needs to repent.
shystie21 4 months ago
@shystie21 A person following a false prophet (and obviously so) should be the first to repent. But it's not likely you'll be getting down to that anytime soon.
crazyinsane500 4 months ago
@shystie21 why? He has a point... There are question that come up when reading it? maybe the scriptures were wrong... You don't know.
TheCrazyGuy91 4 months ago
I haven't looked further in the comments, but, what about the virgin and young woman difference? Isn't that also important, because of translation? From what I've understood, the word 'alma' (young woman) was used to refer to Jacobs' daughter AFTER her rape, but christianity uses it to describe Mary as a virgin. Any thoughts on this?
fatdaddyherb 5 months ago
@fatdaddyherb I talk about it later in the series.
ProfMTH 5 months ago
I'll respond to the first one you mention here, Matt. 2:23 "....which was spoken of by the prophets..." The Bible says that not all things were recorded, if the prophets only spoke of it, it may have been handed down by verbal history.
But there is also indications the Isaiah 11:1 may very well have been what it was referring to, the Hebrew language being subject to debate.
spamagee590 5 months ago
@spamagee590 "But there is also indications the Isaiah 11:1 may very well have been what it was referring to...."
What are these "indications"?
ProfMTH 5 months ago
@ProfMTH There is not enough space here to cover it.
spamagee590 5 months ago
@spamagee590 Welcome to YouTube. Video responses are allowed. :-)
ProfMTH 5 months ago
@ProfMTH I'll think about it, thanks.
spamagee590 5 months ago
i dope no one takes this seriously...Jesus is the Christ translated Messiah...we have more of a historical record abour Jesus then we do about Alexander the great of plato....
razorpayne13 5 months ago
@razorpayne13 You've simply avoided what was raised and discussed in the video. Let me know if you're ever ready to take it on.
ProfMTH 5 months ago
@razorpayne13 untrue.
TheManMostMysterious 5 months ago in playlist 'Jesus Was Not the Messiah' Series
i dope no one takes this seriously...Jesus is the Christ translated Messiah...
razorpayne13 5 months ago
While I can fully understand your reasoning, as a defense of my reasoning (although you may see it differently) I'll say that to me Isaiah 9 points to a Galilean Messiah, while Micha 5:2 points to a Messiah that is also born in Beth-lehem, and Isaiah 53 points to an expiating Messiah, and Isaiah 49:16 points to Crucified Messiah. But above all, I have a witness in my heart that Jesus is the Messiah. While you may take issue with that I wish you would be more respectful.
0x783czar 5 months ago
@0x783czar "I wish you would be more respectful."
Of what? And precisely how am I being disrespectful?
ProfMTH 5 months ago
@ProfMTH Your video comes across with a tone of mockery, perhaps that is not your intent, if so I apologize for any assumption of your intent. But it does come across that way.
0x783czar 5 months ago
@0x783czar "Your video comes across with a tone of mockery...."
Consider that your sensing mockery may actually be your discomfort with the message being conveyed.
ProfMTH 5 months ago
@ProfMTH If that's how you chose to dismiss my comment, so be it.
0x783czar 5 months ago
@0x783czar How else should he address your comment? Was he supposed to hold your hand, pat your back and whisper abject apologies because you sensed a "tone of mockery"?
What sort of arrogant, self-righteous, sanctimonious bullshit is that?
Do you think your rights, feelings and sensibilites deserve more consideration than mine or ProMTH's? Why is it that you feel the need to nitpick about mockery and respect?
Your religion doesn't respect me. I don't have to respect your religion.
ciaochowbella 5 months ago
@ciaochowbella I make no demands, just expressing my opinion. His video has a right to say whatever it likes in whatever way it likes, I just expressed my own opinion, I feel we could all do better at treating each other better. I respect you, I'd appreciate it if you respected me–that's all.
0x783czar 5 months ago
@0x783czar I didn't dismiss your comment. Rather, I suggested that the issue may be yours. Too much to consider?
ProfMTH 5 months ago
@ProfMTH No not at all. One choses to be offended. I am not offended by your video, I just hold the position that all religions as well as atheists and agnostics could do well to respect each other a little more.
0x783czar 5 months ago
@ProfMTH Proverbs 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall..
road2perfect 4 months ago
@road2perfect "Proverbs 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall."
Do you have anything to say that's actually relevant to the video?
ProfMTH 4 months ago
@0x783czar WHY should he be more respectful? By what right do you claim that religion be respected? Why should he not mock what is ridiculous? Why should he consider your tender sensibilites when many of us, myself included, are offended DAILY by the preachments of Christianity?
Who said you had the right to remain UNoffended or had the right to expect respect?
Just because you believe something doesn't make it right, good, decent or worthy of respect.
ciaochowbella 5 months ago
one thing first u take forever to get to a point...now u have only refuted possible a few prophecys. but their is so many more. like his wounds. or him being called god. the more important ones. besides noone will ever be able to fulfill the prophecys that jesus did such as being the deseandant of david. cause who know now who the descandent of david is? the blood line has been lost in time.
atheistscience 5 months ago
@atheistscience "one thing first u take forever to get to a point"
It's called exposition. If you find it too taxing, I suggest you find another channel to watch.
"now u have only refuted possible a few prophecys"
First, it's prophecIES. Second, this is only the first of a four-part series.
ProfMTH 5 months ago
I have zeal for the house of God that doesn't make me messiah nor does that mean the prior passage about a sinner repenting has to be attributed to Christ because he had zeal Emanuel is a name for all who believe so yes they or we shall call him Emmanuel because God is with us(plural). there are 7 degrees of separation concerning Messiah: humanity, Jewishness, tribal origin, family, birthplace, his life reception and death, and chronology of appearance. I didnt see any of these addressed here
2black4bet 6 months ago
Jesus is the Lord n lover ze savior the messiah n ill tell ya why Jesus was not born ov normal kind God implanted him inside mary also God made him in mankinds form ta show us how life is he never sind once but he felt each feelin we felt also nowher in ze history mankind has any man layed down there life for anothers redemtion also when they pierced his skin on the cross only watter came out not blood there fore hes pureist n the MESSIAH
YaBudala 6 months ago
If this isnt bad enough, the teachings of the "messiah" promotes slavery more than anything else. people shouldn't build any earthly reputation or ave hany possessions, and should seek to be united with enemies, and to allow their people to persecute and rob them..all in the name of obedience
not25yet 6 months ago
It is easy to say words with little learning due to proud heart. The truth are revealed to the humble and willing to spent time to investigate and seek for the truth. The existence of Yeshua alone is the ultimate evidence that God Exist and with us.
rcarlomagnus 6 months ago
@rcarlomagnus Do you have anything of substance to say that's actually relevant to the video series?
ProfMTH 6 months ago
@ProfMTH I suggest this y jesus dot com blog . We need start learning with an empty cup so that he can fill your emptiness
rcarlomagnus 6 months ago
@rcarlomagnus You're an idiot. Rambling on and repeating meaningless drivel you learned in church doesn't edify or illuminate. You're just showing us how silly, uneducated, brainwashed and ridiculous you are.
Please stop. You're embarassing yourself and making Christians look bad.
*snickers*
ciaochowbella 6 months ago
@ciaochowbella It is Factual based on Archeological and textual evidence the Yeshua/Jesus Lived and resurrected. This is the ultimate proof of his authenticity. You can try your historical analysis about the matter. Instead of calling names, why not make a case study about it, Let see where you ll go. BTW I didn't learned these at church, I use the intellectual faculties the intelligent designer has given me.
rcarlomagnus 6 months ago
@rcarlomagnus "Factual based on Archeological"
There is no "Factual based o[r] Archeological" evidence that Jesus rose from the dead.
ProfMTH 6 months ago
@rcarlomagnus CIte your source for this archaeological and textual evidence.
BTW, you might want to publish a paper on this. You'll be famous. See, no one else has been able to prove this so if you do, you'd be praised by billions.
Oh, if you're intelligently designed, why do you have an appendix, coccyx and wisdom teeth? Why are your sexual organs intermingled with your excretory organs? Why are you so susceptible to disease, temperature changes and need to eat so often?
ciaochowbella 6 months ago
@ciaochowbella We have the gospels, Josephus, Tacitus and others. The Pool of Shiloam, Pilate, Chaipas and others have all been discovered by written in stone. There is so much more, also in the youtube vidoes the zeigest reponse youll see more. Indeed the truth will set us free. Godbless
rcarlomagnus 5 months ago
@rcarlomagnus The Gospels, Josephus and Tacitus were ALL written after the alleged time of Jesus. Not during. Josephus and Tacitus have both been proved to be fraudulent and the Gospels are not reliable in their history and were not written by eye-witnesses. I've gone over your supposed evidence when I was in Baptist university and found it, as did every reputable Biblical scholar, to be unreliable and not proof.
Indeed, the truth DID set me free. Your god doesn't exist. I'm free of the fear.
ciaochowbella 5 months ago
@ciaochowbella A-men, brother!
SatchmoSings 5 months ago
@SatchmoSings I'm a lady-person.
ciaochowbella 5 months ago
@ciaochowbella Sometimes that's a big hard to tell in this format, so that said, "A-men, sister!"
And yes, your facts are correct, of course.
Look up "Robert Ingersoll."
SatchmoSings 5 months ago
@SatchmoSings I'm familiar with Ingersoll.
ciaochowbella 5 months ago
@ciaochowbella I found a little volume of his lectures purely by accident; this man "saved" me!
lol
SatchmoSings 5 months ago
@SatchmoSings Believe it or not, reading the Bible "saved" me. After reading that tome of torture, hatred, violence, misogyny, xenophobia and treachery, I could not associate myself with that dogma any further and maintain my moral integrity.
I'm better than that. Mangy, flea-bitten, plague-ridden rats are better than that!
ciaochowbella 5 months ago
@ciaochowbella Well, as Mark Twain said; "Faith is believing in what you know ain't so."
SatchmoSings 5 months ago
@rcarlomagnus Oh, and even if Christ did live and was resurrected, that still leaves all your work ahead of you. That no more proves his divinity than a virgin birth does. LOTS of supposed god were born of virgins. A 'virgin' birth merely is a credit to the cleverness of the 'virgin' who gave birth and saved herself from punishment by claiming divine nookie impregnated her.
So, prove it, mister. Show us ALL this irrefutable, contemporary testimony of the existence of your Jesus.
ciaochowbella 6 months ago
@ciaochowbella. The very existence of such idea made it possible. Before people can t believe that out of small amount of matter tremendous energy could be released, But science prove it that they are wrong. Who could believe the gravity can bend light? none, but it exist and is true? We can not rule out that possibility of a divine birth, death and resurrection, when in fact there are biblical and extra biblical sources showing that it exist. More than any that lived.
rcarlomagnus 5 months ago
@rcarlomagnus No, the existence of an idea doesn't necessarily make it possible. The idea of fairies, elves and unicorns exists, yet they don't. I can posit the idea of a tiny world of blue people living in my toilet tank, but it's not possible.
I've asked for the extra-Biblical, contemporary sources for your assertion. The science you state is beside the point. You've still not proved your claim. Just because you SAY we can't rule something out, doesn't make it true. That isn't a citation.
ciaochowbella 5 months ago
@rcarlomagnus..Indeed the debate could never end unless something really happened. I can name numerous scholars and you can name yours. I can say that the biography of Christ is more substantial than any that lived you can say no. Thereof believe what you believe, and I will believe Christ. For there will be no harm believing him if he tells us to love not to kill or do evil, and be bounded by his rules of trust. love and sacrifice. But you can believe what you belive. YHWH bless you
rcarlomagnus 5 months ago
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HonestMan395 6 months ago
This is funny I didn't even say a point here, what if I turn out an atheist, would you say the same? but there is already judgement. We dont even have a cup of tea together but here you say all of these. Isn't it that you are the one in fault of mind conditioning and and logical fallacy? It is like saying that since he believes this and say this he could never be right. What if it turns the other way? God bless you
rcarlomagnus 5 months ago
@rcarlomagnus Quote: "This is funny I didn't even say a point here, what if I turn out an atheist, would you say the same?"
Yes, I would say the same, to anyone who would express that general attitude. Most atheists I know have no problem with christians believing whatever they want, but when they start imposing on others, like me, who don't share their views, then I draw the line. That's what I mean by arrogance and pride, the rightness of their fake views and a lack of humility.
HonestMan395 5 months ago
@rcarlomagnus Sorry I accidentally deleted my last comment. It was not intentional. I'm not used to the new system. I don't know if I can undelete it.
Anybody able to help?
HonestMan395 5 months ago
Jesus is the Messiah.. If we look at the original greek text of the GOSPEL, MARY was a son of Joseph, So there are 2 Joseph,The father of Mary who came from david and joseph his husband also a son of david. Also Its obvious in the targums, the septuagint that the masoretic text has more complicated issues due to religous bias. These is the reson why it is harder for a Talmudic student to belive in YEshua compared to the people of Yeshuas time which understand the prophecy
rcarlomagnus 6 months ago
Jesus was NOT a descendant of King David and hence failed to fulfill the prophecy . Joseph was said to be but Joseph was NOT his father according to the book.
Mary? -- forget that;.
LAWAGO 6 months ago
@LAWAGO The problem is that you are not a mere skeptic, but rather with preconceived bias. I suggest you reading the origal greek and hebrew text of the gospel or try Mr google.. let see what youll find
rcarlomagnus 6 months ago
Jesus is the messiah.
the fabricated prophecies: not to many, when scientists found the dead sea scrolls, and compared the ancient scriptures and the modern scripture, there were twelve verses that were fake, Now Jesus did fulfill about 400 old testament prophecies, the most obvious of which is when Jesus talks about Judas Iscariot betrays him, however, there are many, many more,
God Bless
KuppinCasual 7 months ago
@KuppinCasual "Now Jesus did fulfill about 400 old testament prophecies"
No, he didn't.
"the most obvious of which is when Jesus talks about Judas Iscariot betrays him"
Watch the rest of the series.
ProfMTH 6 months ago
@ProfMTH Why are you trying to prove the non existance of Christ as the messiah, has the fact that you are GAY anything to do with it, as most GAY ppl would love the world not to believe in GOD as the Hebrew GOD of the bible has a set Judgement for Sodomites and also Christ will return and rid the earth of Satanic practices. I respectfully suggest you stick to topics you can approach from a non bias position as yours is null and void.
TheWatchman144K 6 months ago
@TheWatchman144K "Why are you trying to prove the non existance of Christ as the messiah"
Just sharing the facts. :-)
"has the fact that you are GAY anything to do with it"
None whatsoever.
ProfMTH 6 months ago
@TheWatchman144K He doesn't have to prove "non-existence" which is an impossible thing to do. YOU, as the one making the claim, have to prove that Jesus existed.
Run along now. You have a LOT of work ahead of you.
As for your homophobia, please refer yourself to the University of Georgia study that correlates homophobia with hidden homosexual tendencies, preferences or desires.
Or as my mother always says, "the guilty dog barks the loudest."
ciaochowbella 6 months ago
@ciaochowbella oh really, thats if you believe in the mess they call psychiatry, most doctors do not, neither do I, also thats wishful thinking on you're behalf, I compare it to calling the Jews of Israel Khazars, then they label you anti semitic, but is that even a proper word, no and are they the real jews, no... its all in there head
TheWatchman144K 6 months ago
@TheWatchman144K Actually, it wasn't a psychiatric study. It was a sociological one what with homophobia being a sociological phenomenon and not a medical or psychological diagnoses. As for doctors giving credit to psychiatry, ALL psychiatrists are doctors. Psychologists don't have to be docs.
As for the rambling mess of the rest of your message......if ANYONE ever desperately needed chemical restraints, it is you. You've most gorgeously demonstrated your utter lack of connection to reality.
ciaochowbella 6 months ago
@KuppinCasual Millions of Jews, Protestants, Muslims, Indians, Negroes and Orientals where MURDERED in the name of Jesus since Xstianity came to power in western nations. Can this evil be called Messiah???
Tropicasher 6 months ago
@KuppinCasual Before you can claim Jesus as your messiah, you have to prove he actually existed.
Please provide contemporary, extra-Biblical evidence that the person known as Jesus ACTUALLY existed. Once you do that, then we can decide if he was human or divine. However, you have to prove you HAVE a man before you can prove he was a holy man.
ciaochowbella 6 months ago
@ciaochowbella I'm not even gonna take this seriously; Well for starters the The Gospel of Jesus Christ, were 4 people giving their eyewitness accounts. Secondly, they have D.N.A. Evidence of Jesus' blood on the shroud of Turin.( some conspiracy theorists say the clone of his DNA will be the anti-Christ.) yah, I think he exists -_-
KuppinCasual 6 months ago
@HectorYLaComay Ah. No, not Jewish.
ProfMTH 7 months ago
@HectorYLaComay I haven't a clue what you're talking about beyond it seeming to be the case that you agree with me that Jesus is *not* the Messiah.
ProfMTH 7 months ago
this video and its reasoning is a joke.
alexmcginness 7 months ago
@alexmcginness "this video and its reasoning is a joke"
Care to be specific?
ProfMTH 7 months ago
He was not the messiah, He was a very naughty boy!
timrice666 7 months ago
I suggest you reread Psalm 69.The man IS NOT a wicked man.His "zeal for Gods house has made enemies OF the wicked.He says in verse 4"what i DID NOT steal,I then have to restore.You are guilty of the very same creative license you accuse others of.
angelafrye 7 months ago
@angelafrye Psalm 69:5, "O God, it is you who knows my folly, and my wrongs are not hidden from you."
ProfMTH 7 months ago
Jesus set the stage for the end of religion , " the finisher of our faith". Looks like he was Double - Crossed. They became "fishers of men" and baby killers in order to protect the church. Instead of "saving" us they helped us get to heaven sooner than we would have got there on our own.
TheIAMINU 7 months ago
so who is the messiah?
purple007haze 7 months ago
good video. truly great points. nevermind the zealot trolls on your comments. they are afraid yes, but also want to be afraid of what they fear too.
TheMuhka 7 months ago
@TheMuhka Thanks.
ProfMTH 7 months ago
The Mother of God has her own warning called the THIRD SECRET OF FATIMA.
FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m
Pre-Novus Ordo Dogma and the miracles prove that The Mother of God is part of the Trinity.
Rome will be destroyed on August 17, 2011 for failing to preserve the Dogma.
Good luck, and remember that the Lord is a talking fire. Satan has deceived all nations.
fatimamovement 8 months ago
look at at the Shroud of Turin science that proves its authentic and the Arc of the Covenant found below Crucification site. Your argument is weak.. Be careful what you claim...If you are wrong you are an unlucky man
vmedia2 8 months ago in playlist religion genital mutalation
@vmedia2 "look at at the Shroud of Turin science that proves its authentic"
Please point me to "the Shroud of Turin science" that establishes it as the burial cloth of Jesus. Thanks.
"the Arc of the Covenant found below the Crucification [sic] site."
What are you talking about? And what, if anything, do either of these matters have to do with the topic of this video?
ProfMTH 8 months ago
look at at the Shroud of Turin science that proves its authentic and the Arc of the Covenant found below Crucification site. Your argument is weak
vmedia2 8 months ago in playlist religion genital mutalation
Jeremiah 8:8 and the end of Revelations speaks of lying scribes....hence why Mohammed was raised up by the Lord to punsih Jerusalem...duh. Stop reading letters and getting lost in words...pray to God and feel His Spirit! God gives us signs too...Muslims believe Christ is the Messiah- check out miracles of 2004 tsunami...why would God spare their churches if they were not His???
TheSpydermunkee 8 months ago
@TheSpydermunkee Easy, God is too proud to let churches go; all religions who claim their origin is from Israel have the same God...they might be at odds as to which religion is "the true path" but they all agree there's only one God & he's proud He's getting all this attention, having His followers spread out so far across the globe
Besides, simple Demonology posts Lucifer as the Abrahamic incarnation of Pride; Proud demon, proud God...sounds like one in the same right there
Tarynus 7 months ago
Jesus is the true Messiah. He who Wait a Jewish man is the Antichrist. God pity you ...
gasalaste 8 months ago
@gasalaste 1. Jesus is NOT the true Messiah.
2. Jesus WAS a Jew
So by your logic, Jeus is Antichrist?
yongkykuncoro 8 months ago
The Whole'' he shall be called Immanuel'' Isaiah 7:14 Prophecy is NOT a Messianic Prophecy in the first place.Isaiah 8:4."I went unto the prophetess and she conceived and bore a son". Isaiah went to his wife and ,got her pregnant. isaiah 8:18Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.
So, Isaiah is saying that the signs given to Ahaz are Isaiah himself, and his children. Stupid christians.
ShlomoHaAvinoo 8 months ago
Wow, Prof. You get a lot of naive Christians responding to this video without ever actually commenting on it's content. They just quote the parts of the bible that they think supports their position, as if that was going to win over anyone who already disregarded the bible.
jessemaurais 8 months ago
the "Holocaust" deceit coupled with "Israel" signifies when the jews abandoned their long-awaited "Messiah" in order to serve as their own messiah. But now the many lies about the Germans have unraveled and the jewish supremacists have been exposed once more. Perhaps less than 100,000 jewish deaths resulted from WWII which was instigated at the behest of the international jewish bankers. The jews have profited unbelievably from WWII but in return forfeited their "Messiah".
BlessedBeTheTruth 8 months ago
@BlessedBeTheTruth "the "Holocaust" deceit "
Ah, a Holocaust denier. How vile. Fuck off.
ProfMTH 8 months ago
@BlessedBeTheTruth
You really need to do your homework, I have no idea where you are getting all this nonsense from. Jews were persecuted by animals PERIOD. Look at the detail of deaths and the rise of Atheists, It doesn't work, Life without a moral code and value ends up in high divorce rates, and barbarism...
MadMax1Hammer 8 months ago
@BlessedBeTheTruth
I have no Idea where you are getting this nonsense from...
Jews not only never abandoned the Messiah but have proved the existence of G-D Just by surviving Gentile genocides, and know the coming is near and await with it with a smile, and have never abandoned G-D and the Torah.
MadMax1Hammer 8 months ago
@BlessedBeTheTruth Only a loathsome, piece of shit would believe such an atrocious line of garbage. Hungary lost more than 200,000 Jews alone. Every Jew in Latvia was killed.
OVtigerstripe 7 months ago
Rev 1: 4,5,8,11,12,13,17,18, Rev 22:12-20, God says, “I, am Jesus, the A and the Z, the bright morning Star, the Beginning and the Ending, God, the Lord, Jesus, the First to rise from death, to die no more, the All Powerful One who is, Jesus, and was, and Is coming again, the First and the Last, who died, who is now alive forevermore, who has the keys of hell and death, am coming soon”. He's worthy of worship. Rev 1: 5 "...Give to Him everlasting Glory and praise, for He rules forever. Amen
righteousseed1 8 months ago
what what what a1 b2 c3... Jesus = 74 messiah = 74 cross = 74 gospel = 74
so does Lucifer but was not called 'son of God' son = 48 + God = 26 = 74 Jesus 74
go to The Bank of Eternity with your misapplications and get the eyeballs insured!!!
love love love
misterdeeeep 9 months ago
Continued: Further, Zephaniah prophesied about 60 years after Jeremiah, so if Jeremiah had spoken the prophecy, even though Zephaniah's was the first recorded in writing, it could still be attributed to Jeremiah, as he would have chronological precedence. It would not be the first time that two prophets made the same prophetic pronunciation. (Isaiah 2:4 * Micah 4:3; Hosea 14:2 * Hebrews 13:15)
qptqpt 9 months ago
So what Matthew actually stated is that Jeremiah "spoke" the prophecy. (Jeremiah 7:1,2) While it is true that often the spoken words of prophets did become recorded in writing (Matthew 3:3 as compared with Isaiah 40:3), there is precedent that not all spoken words of the prophets became written. (Numbers 11:26-29) Even some that did get written, were destroyed. (Jeremiah 36:23) And in some cases his words, but not his identity. (Judges 6:8; 1Kings 13:1)
qptqpt 9 months ago
The Hebrew word nazar means branch. There are several OT prophecies that says the Messiah will be the "branch" (Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, Zech 3:8, 6:12)
qptqpt 9 months ago
Continued:
From his genesis to his exodus to his baptism in the Jordan to his forty days in the wilderness, Jesus was identifying himself with the covenant people. He was the embodiment of Israel..
Jesus is the true Israel.
qptqpt 9 months ago
Matthew didn’t think Hosea 11:1 was a direct prophecy about Jesus and his family going to Egypt. And Hosea certainly didn’t mean it as such. The passage is about Israel’s Exodus out of Egypt and about her subsequent idolatries and adulteries. Matthew understood that. He wasn’t trying to give Hosea 11 a new meaning. But he did see something Messianic in Hosea’s words. Jesus would be the faithful Son called out of Egypt, filling up what was lacking in the first faithless son, Israel.
qptqpt 9 months ago
REV 22-16 IS THE BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR-VENUS WORSHIP--ITS ALL ASTROTHEOLOGY-JESUS IS REPTILLIAN WORSHIP-AND HE WAS BARIED IN SRINIGAR-INDIA--ANYWAYS--CHRISTIANITY IS --A THROW AWAY SOLAR CULT RELIGION WAKE UP-THE SAME STORY WAS RUNNING AROUND THE MED FOR `1000 YEARS BEFORE RA HORUS--MYTHRA-KRISHNA-SAME STORIES --IT CAME THRU THE MEROVIGN BLOODLINE THIS RELIGULOUS NONSENSE
ww.youtube.com/watch?v=vkXOwBIRX7Y DONT' REPLY UNTIL U HAVE WATCHED
theywarnedus 9 months ago