its one thing to suggest that there were many warnings that the us ignored and the govt failed in security- and its possible the bush adm allowed it to happen to stake their mideast claims - but the people claiming a plane didnt hit the pentagon or that the socalled hijackers are alive( often told but not one stepped foward) or that the planes were remote controlled with no people on board make the 9-11 truthers look like jokes-!!!!
Ron Paul did good because the path he was on did not allow him to state such things. But you better believe that if he is the man he has shown himself to be from my media perspective he would investigate the shit out of it. He may be a freemason though, and look what happened with ol Barry over here. One day he's the new Jesus, then he gets elected and he is the old Bush (and then some). Hope I don't have to wade through irradiated swamps with an AK to grab groceries when shit hits the fan.
He says he doesnt believe 9/11 was an inside job, Ok, im fine with that, BUT HE DOES SUPPORT A NEW INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, which is the most important thing.
Investigation into why people ignored threats, hid footage after the fact and why large insurance fraud has been tied up into this whole mess. And not some bs about bin laden being on ice for a decade. Suspicion based on evidence is natural but based on fear and circular logic will go nowhere. Being debunked or called out on bs should engage you to research more instead of just claiming coersion on further conspiracy.
@ScottishPEACEguy Indirectly, America causes "blowback" as Ron Paul described, but they have too many tentacles into world affairs, such as requiring population control if countries accept medical supplies through USAID. It's all a globalist scam.
Ron Paul Likes to hold powerful agency's accountable for there actions for the attack. for example the CIA even stated that the there actions in the past cause the attack. it's one of facts that ron paul would rather use than the deeper idea of how the agency was also responsible for other actions that day. so even if he does not believe of such actions the testimony of the CIA of how it lead to the attack is more than enough for ron paul.
The worst moderator in history... No class... This shit, and Ron Paul's excellent responses is why he won the straw poll awhile back; why his support is slowly rising and even fueling his son's campaign. Listen to every aspect of what this man says, because there is ALWAYS merit and truth in his words.
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Do I believe 9-11 was an inside US government job? Uh, Duh, NO! Do I believe that the US government intentionally let 9-11 happen? NO! Do I believe that Bush and Cheney were at remote controls of the jets that crashed into the Wtc's? Uh, duh, no! I DO BELIEVE THAT HUGE SHORTCOMINGS IN US IMMIGRATION POLICIES ALLOWED 9-11 TO HAPPEN, THOSE SHORTCOMINGS STILL EXIST. THOUSANDS OF ILLEGAL ALIEN-ISLAMISTS ARE IN THE USA. This country would rather spend billions a month on Trashcanistan than the USA.
@tickyul You hit the nail on the head. This is the real government's involvement here. This is why Ron Paul said there should be more investigation. Not that explosives were used in the towers.
It seemed that these 911-False people are entrenched in their religion though.
@MyPalAndy Well, it just goes to show how flawed and ungovernable this country has become. I mean, it is the same ole story, cannot solve our problems so we go invade another country. Look at the financial collapse, non of the fundamental problems has been corrected, nor will they. Same is true with the immigration policies of this country, same old crap. This country has really lost its mind.
I am furious regarding the way that Ron Paul is treated in the media. There's always that tinfoil hat bullshit whenever Paul is around. it's so deeply unfair. The man makes perfect sense. Anybody who asks questions about the Fed can get ready to be labeled a "conspiracy theorist." This phenomenon actually CAUSES me to believe that there IS a conspiracy! How could you explain the stupid reactions in any other way?
@anthrobserver I sometimes wondered if the tin foil hat types & 911-False movement were planted to sacrifice Ron Paul's credibility, to make him look bad.
@lethal1960 Test your patience? Your patience in doing what?
Haven't you read my posts proclaiming the scientific evidence & facts proclaiming the collapse of the towers and how the 911-False movement of planted explosives lacks evidence & facts?
@MyPalAndy 911 has nothing to do with ron paul, ron paul is about economics/geopolitics and people in 911 truth movements respect him for that, and if you cant see the difference then you are fake.
I'm a bit disappointed my self but maybe he honestly just isn't ready to come to that conclusion yet. It's hard to fathom it as even a possibility let alone conclude it to be the case. I still think Ron Paul would be vastly better of a president than many other candidates. At least we know or have a good hutch he is not in the global elites pocket. That more than anything is what we need. Anyone who is for auditing the Fed is a champion in my book.
@TheLoverofTruth Because Ron Paul is a defender of the truth, he can't jump to the unproven conclusions of the 911-False movement. With this, he is labeled by many within the 911-False movement as in the global elites' pockets. Just read the posts they have made themselves below here. The 911-False movement is like a nutty religion, many mean well, but a few of them will go even further in proclaiming nutty falsities, such as calling Ron Paul a NWO agent. They are obsessed with a fairy tale.
Ron Paul is a Great Man and of course knows the unseen powers that control this country and knows full well the consequences of taking a stance that they would NOT Allow!!!! Also, he does not want to get saddled and branded by the system that saddles and brands everyone they intend to either destroy, discredit or force to conform. Real Intellectual people that truly are "Not controlled" in this country are becoming a rare commodity.
The federal reserve, the drug war, 9-11 attacks, pentagon attacks, the cold war, viet nam, world wars, patriot act, northwoods documents, swine flu hype, media propaganda, partisanship , religions and even history are all a scam, the very people who profited from all those situations never lost an ounce of rights, instead they have gained and are still today consuming more and more power and ignoring the constitution, while the public is empoverishing to oblivion. At least Ron awakenned people.
@ExquisiteDoom And Ron told the 911-False crowd to cease their rhetoric. I'd also think that Dr. Paul would disagree with you that religion is "all a scam", as he is a deeply religious person. The Northwoods Document wasn't a scam as you wrote. It was real.
I'm glad you put this up because so many people support him and think he is for truth when clearly he will lie like the rest of them for his purposes. And what is his purpose? Is he just to be a marginal fringe instigator of discontent on issues so people will be distracted? I like him mostly but I can't endorse him. I can not see how he could possibly look at all the evidence and then tell truthers to stop talking about it. Seems like a ploy to me.
I would also like to say that its only recently that most of the common public (those who do not search for the information but are given it) have been informed about the 9/11 truth movement at all, and to be honest some of the people in it ARE nutters, so really to expect him to endorse what has spiraled from "a movement to have a new investigation" to "theories about holograms and aliens r us" is just stupid- especially on that stage
The moderator knew the 911 topic is hot and any candidate admitting they know it was an inside job is ruined politically and professionally. The moderator obviously does not want Ron to win the debate so he ask pointed questions. Very sinister.
I agree. Do you personally think though, that at the very least encouraging a discussion would open people's eyes? Someone would eventually have to step up to be a martyr. Or am I just being too idealistic?
Ron Paul would never admit it was an inside job simply because it was not an inside job and any rational person can tell that.
At any rate this was not a fair question. If Paul answers no, that means he's one of the delusional people who thinks a crack team of CIA ninjas planted explosives in the WTC. If he says yes, that means he's against freedom of speech. There is no right answer. The question is slanted.
@gmachala404 Agreed. He wants the Federal Reserve to be audited - this may very well provide enough evidence of government conspiracy etc to effect the same changes that would come from having the 9/11 truth become the official story, if that makes any sense. Either way he appears to want to same things that would prevent further corruption and conspiracy.
Shows you how screwed the US is they won't even let him speak, that is corporate controlled media for you if I ever saw it, why do they fear him so much debating the issues, why does teh corp. contoled media fear and intelligent talk about the issues? Fox news and all its conies are te worse Americans on the planet. This Econ situtation is due to their corp. controll of tell the masses what they want b.s. We need to free oursleves from these blood suckers.
I agree, more than ever when people now take a "Pledge to Serve Obama", our benevolent dictator. We as a nation really have gone down a slippery slope. It seems that now even the 911 False movement fears debate, trying themselves to discredit the words of Ron Paul, calling him a liar, etc.
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Ron Paul probably knows that 911 is an inside job, but he also knows that if he openly speaks about it, he will automaticly be discridited and his politic carreer wioll be ruined. That,s the problem.
Ron paul, what you say in this video is a good lie!
The Fox news spokesperson talks like he should be on a gameshow. His rhetoric questions sicken me. Another suit and tie person who would be a thug or punk if he didn't have his job. These are prescripted questions that have no bearing on america. Stupid media people controlled by the FCC.
even if your are a 911 truther, the fact that so many people claimed Ron Paul 'knows' about it hurt his chances. Truthers are a small minority, and the rest watches Fox and CNN as they hide Ron from the media. He could have got more votes if he didnt have this bad stigma.
It's true rotoscoop there's a danger to a "cult of personality" for many on Dr Paul. Theyve become groupies. I highly respect Dr Paul and his economic and political opinions. I'd probably differ in opinion with him if we had a discussion on religion.
The Christian Right? Most groups which affiliated themselves with Christian groups unfortunately distanced themselves from Dr Paul. National Right to Life, Focus on the Family, as well as many others ignored Ron Paul.
how dare you negate the work that intelligent caring people have done to expose what really happened that day. how dare you say that their thinking is unscientific and illogical? and nobody cares whether ron paul believes this or not? i could find you hundreds, if not more engineers who will dispute the official version of why the towers collapsed, but i won't waste my time with people like you who are in delusion and refuse to think outside your own narrow beliefs. you're all sheople.
No organboi, it's the 911-False movement that's SHEEPLE. It's just that they're maybe black sheep, and the rest (mostly unconstitutionally-minded folk) are white sheep. Many people care of Ron Paul's opinions, much more than those who care of the 911-False movement.
I'm not negating that there's some people within the 911-False movement who may be intelligent and caring. But most definitely are misled.
You won't post "hundreds" of 911-False engineers because simply you can't find them.
Hey shutyourmothidiot, what about MyPalAndy? Young-ass scientist & engineer, who agrees with logic and understands construction methods! Ron Paul is a genius. Ron Paul is courageous. You seem to be neither of these.
the only "experts" that agree that the buildings fell "the way the did" are the government funded ones. Logically how can anyone believe the bogus story that was given to us with the MANY, MANY Loopholes that make NO logical sense??? i dont know exactly what happened either but it damn sure wasnt the garbage they fed us. it was something similar to the similarly drawn up "Operation Northwoods" which cost JFK his life..
I'm an expert, I'm not funded by the Fed, and the reported reasons for the towers falling seems very reasonable. The "Loose Change" response has many more loopholes and outright lies. Please find me one engineer, just one, other than quasi-engineer physicist Steven Jones, who agrees with the 911-False movement. The entire engineering community, put every fact and observation out there, disproves any planted explosives fairy tale. I suppose many will never understand Ron Paul's intelligence.
so do you also agree with flight 93 crashing and leaving a hole with NO PLANE, no bodies, no luggage, etc etc. a plane crash with no evidence of a plane????? just magazines spread out and things like that. do you really believe that?????
yeah the plane in philly evaporated, the plane in the pentagon also evaporated. HOWEVER, passports and other documents the "terrorists" took on the planes with them, managed to survive these incredibly high temperatures and land on ground zero unscathed. yeah. i believe that.
cyberphant0m, what plane in philly? Is there now a new phenomena of the 911-False movement?
One passport might be found among 100 which were destroyed in an explosion. Things get thrown out during explosions & crashes, some gets burned, some doesn't.
There were even two dudes who survived within the collapse of one of the towers (they were inside a stair well). They weren't burned to bits. Believe it.
@cyberphant0m there was video of planes parts being found outside the pentagon as soon as police and rescue plus eyewitnesses who saw it hit so your claim is bs- as far as passports and paper- an exploison sends out pressure wave and sends it flying before the actual fireball consumes the area- its common for paper to survive - it happens all the time in car bombings- classic example is the embassy bombing in iraq paper was sent flying but humans bodies were literally turned to charred mess
@DaTekkenGod wrong there were pieces luggage and body parts found at the scene- its well documented- when a plane does a deliberate nose dive it will literally disappear- remmeber in most plane crashes a pilot is trying to save the plane and life not the opposite- you slam a plane headfirst into the ground at 500 mph and your lucky to find what they did- if anything- look at car bombings often paper items are scattered by the blast when the pressure wave sends it flying before the blast hits
If you follow Ron Paul at all (not just his mainstream appearances), then you would know what he really believes. He openly talks about the NWO, false flag attacks, corrupt gov't, etc... But, you can't expect him to openly talk about 911 during the debate, it is too mainstream. They forced him into an awkward position, because if he speaks the truth his rep is tarnished and people think he is a wackjob, which isn't true. So he is forced to comply, just so the repubs will allow him to debate.
This is now long after the campaign. Can you and others within the 911-False movement ask Ron Paul his "real feelings" on this issue? I'd expect his response would be, "I already told you". Dr. Paul is a man of character. He'll tell you how he feels about this issue truthfully under any circumstance.
Ron Paul is a logically-thinking dude. He's a doctor, trained in the sciences. By far, most reputable people trained in the sciences will agree with Dr. Paul on this issue.
You don't seem to know much about Ron Paul. He openly discusses the globalist agenda and the corruption within our government. Hes openly talks about the nwo, federal reserve, and other topics not even touched in the mainstream media.
Any true follower of Ron Paul knows that he believes 9/11 was a total farce and part of the nwo agenda to take more liberties and power away from the people. Not to mention reap massive rewards through oil. It's not hard to understand 9/11 was a false flag attack.
So akaRaZe you're calling Ron Paul a liar here? He's said it so many times over and over, there's no validity to the 911-False movement. So you're saying he's lying here, and I'm saying he's not. I guess we'll agree to disagree.
what about building 7 and pentagon? the only reason why Ron Paul says he doesn't believe in it is becaus if he would he wouldn't of had any chance to win the elections.
and If you are too ignorent to see what the governement is doing to its own country you must be very dumb.
colloredbrothers, really? I think Dr. Paul fared poorly in the elections because people in general are uneducated and ignorant. They're uneducated about the Constitutional limitations of government, the financial limitations which government is restricted to, as well as other areas. The 911-False movement, although good is being a "watchdog" on the government, nevertheless propagates ignorance, within science and the facts. You ever break away from Loose Change to watch Why the Towers Fell?
haha.. MyPalAndy must drink a lot of Fluoride. 911 false movement??? which one, the goverment one telling us that radical arabs/muslims did it, or the one that's taking place now, that has the public blindfolded into finding a truth that had been burried and will never be officially released. The government had their chance to own up, but instead they wrote up a cowardly report and expected ppl to be as dumb as they are.
jizzaymz, actually I drink from a faucet which filters out fluorine, chlorine, & many other constituents. Yes, 911-False movement. It's false, no matter how many times you claim something false to be true, it's still false. The reports are very well done. Have you read them? Another came out recently on Building-7. Will you at least look at it?
Yes the 9/11 commission report was bad, it failed to mention vital information that is well documented with witness's statements and videos, hence the name 9/11 omission report. It didn't even address wtc7, we had to wait 7 years for that with the NIST report, which didn't even test steel from the tower. Both reports are terribly inconsistent and leave too many questions unanswered. This is the point of view of many scientists and engineers. Don't believe? me look it up.
also, LEARN about simple physics and you don't need anyone to explain what happened; other than a super-force (not the planes, they wouldn't cut it) caused the buildings to fall down.
Jizzaymz, what is "super-force"? Is that like "The Force" in Star Wars? Do you think that telekinetic thoughts from alien lizard people brought down the towers? How educated are you in physics? Let's take a step back, how educated are you?
MIT's Jeff king. Engineering company in london is launching a new investigation now because insurance demands that buildings be brought up to safe standard due to 9/11 and they believe it's bogus and now that it's hitting them in their pockets alot of engineers are challenging the offical explaination. What is your expertise?
TakodaTribe, cool! Jeff King from MIT is challenging this? Please provide a link if possible. I'd like to see some reputable explanations within the 911-False movement for a change.
Me? I have bachelors & masters degrees in engineering. I'm also a government "watchdog" type of person, who sees such illogical material within the 911-False movement as a threat to the reputation of the real patriot and liberty movement.
How about the fact that we were running a mock military exercise of that very same event happening,NORAD was shut down w/ Mr Cheney at the controls, that could have taken down those planes in seconds.Oh,then you have an identical situation the day of the London bombings in London,another "Mock exercise". Its time to wake up and smell the coffee Andy. The worst thing is when ppl don't realize they are enslaved in every sense of the word. HITLER did not even steal the election, he was "elected"?
fthagov, there were THOUSANDS of planes still in the air at that time. People both in the air and on the ground were still coming to grips as to what was happening. A basic non-response from the planes would have been a green light to you to "take them down in seconds"? You would have killed so many more than who died already on 9-11.
It was a catastrophic collapse. The internal floors have no chance to hold back the mass and kinetic energy of the upper floors falling on top of them. How much can a sheet of plywood stop a freight train? How much can 80 sheets of plywood, each placed a foot apart, stop the kinetic energy of this train? The building wasn't constructed like most are with internal I-beams. The open floor-plan of each story was part of the towers downfall.
I and many others I have met on the web have found this statement from the PNAC I (check out site)to be quite telling: From Rebuilding America's Defenses, pg.51, 1st par. "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl harbor." This neocom U.S. global domination organization is replete with psycopath members like Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Libby, Quayle, and Kristol.
Yes OpusMach, they've been saying this here within this thread, look throughout it with the links below. Although Dr. Paul wants to bankrupt the elite bankers pushing global government by eliminating the Fed & fiat currency, these people don't think that the powers-to-be would want Dr. Paul assassinated for promoting such a Constitutional idea? If Dr. Paul has enough courage to take on the Fed, he'd have enough courage to be with the 911-False movement if it was really true.
I agree, man. Most 9/11 truthers are the REAL sheep who hurt our anti-war/pro-civil liberties cause. Have you seen the way a lot of these people act? I'm subscribed to RepPress, a guy who has repeatedly exposed Bush of lying and the crimes of Israel, but when RepPress made some videos that debunked 9/11 myths, a lot of his subscribers threw a fit, called him a Zionist-shill, and then unsubscribed. UN-BELIEVEABLE!!
But I do have to question if the government is telling us all there is to know.
Unfortunately no body really knows what happened on 9/11, not even Bush. We just know that the Official Story is a lie, and that the White House tried to block the 9/11 investigation, and that Philip Zelikow doesn't care much for facts or honesty. Could be that Larry Silverstein did it, who knows- Oh, and we know that PNAC was itching for a New Pearl Harbor so they could implement all their tyranny but they had to sit on their hands until something blew up.
okay I guess that was poorly said- what We know is that fire does not cause symmetrical damage, the 911 Commission Report pretended WTC7 did not exist, we know Donald Rumsfeld said Flight 93 was shot down (watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0) when the official story says it crashed, we know that WTC7 did not collapse because of "Thermal Expansion", and we know that the source of the hijackers' funding is important (they said that it is not important) But yes, I do not pretend to know what really happened either
We may not really know what happened, however we should be able to come to some clear conclusions about what didn't happen, based on what we DO know and can CLEARLY observe.
There is another danger associated with Nuclear power plants. The 103 United States Nuclear power plants have the "spent" fuel rods -- which are still very radioactive -- stored in mostly unprotected water pools near the reactor. Fuel rods are the source of nuclear energy in a reactor. Spent fuel rods are highly radioactive.
Yes radioactive, but "spent" of much of their radioactivity. On storage tanks, it reminds me of something interesting. Orsen Wells had an inflammatory radio broadcast decades ago, later called "War Of the Worlds". During this time, sheeple were shooting water storage tanks confusing them with the three-legged alien invaders described on the radio. On December 31, 1999, Alex Jones had a similar radio broadcast, claiming the Russians launched nuclear ICBMs at the USA. Fear drives sheeple crazy.
Well I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree as they say. I could mention a ton of other discrepances pointed out at rensedotcom and who knows how many other sites, & argue all day about it,but its likely that neither of us would convince the other. I guess maybe I have a different appraisal of the veracity and capability of our government leaders than you, for one thing. BTW,a 2006 NY Times and CBS News 9/11 poll showed 53% thought Bush adm. hiding something and 28% believd they're lying.
I'd also agree with the 53% who think our government is hiding things. But specifically on controlled demolition it's 4% or less. Please don't make equivalent one question (hiding something) with another (controlled demolition).
The same poll said that only 16% thought that the bush administration was telling the truth about what it knew prior to the attacks, down five points since 2002. Also, who said anything about controlled demolition? You're the one that brought that up. The point is, 53% of the respondents were (and probably still are) skeptical about the whole story in general. It's at the Angus-Reid Global Monitor website btw. It doesn't matter how they came down so much as who all is responsible.
The 911-False movement, which Ron Paul said clearly he disagrees with, claims the towers were brought down with controlled demolition. Again, read the Wikipedia entry on this.
Now you say it doesn't matter how they came down??? This is your so-called "evidence". It DOES matter. Now you're actively avoiding the truth!
Experts in engineering and demolition overwhelming agree with Ron Paul and myself here.
I'm surprised you don't realize he is only rejecting the truthers because he is in a national debate. Do you notice how he does not request their actions cease? He is quite animated when he stresses he does not want to talk further about it.
JSSTyger, Ron Paul and other reasonable and logical-minded people are rejecting the 911-False movement because they know the 911-Falses methods of thinking are ridiculous.
A 2006 poll found that 6 percent of Americans considered it "very likely" that "the collapse of the twin towers in New York was aided by explosives secretly planted in the two buildings", while another 10% found it "somewhat likely". 77% found the demolition hypothesis "unlikely". ... An August 2007 Zogby poll found that 4.8% of Americans believe that "certain US government elements actively planned or assisted some aspects of the attacks".[33]
Thomas Eagar, a professor of materials science and engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, also dismissed the controlled demolition hypothesis.[82] Eagar remarked, "These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the 'reverse scientific method.' They determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."
I don't know how anyone can still think that 9-11 was NOT an inside job. There's been so many experts in various fields with damning reports. Plus the obvious fact that it all fits in a pattern and plan. It's the gift that keeps on giving to the PNAC psycopaths. They had the means, motive and opportunity. ESPECIALLY the motive: global domination. I'm no expert on anything but there's just too much evidence before, during and after the event. (Jet fuel fire wouldn't melt steel, etc. etc. etc.)
There's more people that believe it was NOT an "inside job" than those that do. But it's the truth, the real truth, is what counts, not matter if one or millions believe it. More experts disbelieve the "inside job" theory than belive it, and I'm one of them. A combination of heat, compromised steel, and excessive weight forces which led to the failure.
Well that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But I don't buy it. If there really are more people that believe the 9-11 Coverup Commission than not, it's because the bush administration's own controlled, complicit mainstream media Ministry of Propaganda tells them what to believe. So 90% of the population don't even have a clue what's going on in the first place. So your assertion is meaningless, regardless of it's accuracy. And how do you know the percentage in the first place?
Arturus, it's not the 9-11 Commission report that convinced me, it was common-sence as enhanced by my engineering background. It's crystal clear to me that the towers weren't brought down by controlled explosives. Anyone who thinks differently are either poorly educated in engineering or easily duped.
I don't know the percentage and never did say I knew. It was you who brought up 90%, so ask yourself this question.
I worked at one of these stations. A plane into these would disintegrate when hitting the 10-ft thick reinforced concrete encasements. There'd be a plant shutdown, but after a few weeks, the plant should be up and running again. The only thing which would break into these would be a bunker-busting missile, and the total impacted area would be limited to maybe 50 miles downwind. Not the entire "east coast" as you wrote.
Holy cow, the general public watches too much television & movies.
You mean the containment area. A penetrating bunker-buster bomb/missle would do the job, but the extent would be like a Chernobyl event, not a "nuclear bomb". According to Wikipedia, "Two people died in the initial steam explosion, but most deaths from the accident were attributed to fallout... Large areas in Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia were badly contaminated, resulting in the evacuation and resettlement of over 336,000 people... 56 direct deaths... may be 4,000 extra cancer cases...".
Wikipedia is one, an "evolving" source which may change based upon the verifiable facts provided at hand. Try Wikipedia (dot) o rg / wiki / Controlled_demolition_hypothesis_for_the_collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center
"Rejected by the mainstream media and engineering community" means that most engineers reject it. Steven Jones is a physicist, not an engineer. And a software "engineer" isn't one in a traditional sence, unaware of statics/dynamics/deformable solids.
William Cooper can be googled. He also is listed on a site with Jordan Maxwell who can also be googled and is said to be one of the sources for some of David Icke's research. The masonic control of the world has been going on for over 200 years like a game of chess. The final moves seem to be getting close as mentioned in a lot of videos here on you tube. Too many people don't have time to see it or care about seeing it. my 2 cents.
I googled Cooper. It seems, like Alex Jones, there's good and bad. Cooper seems to add more of the religious element. Good thing he gravitated away from the alien new age religion (where as Icke certainly hasn't), but terrible how he was assasinated by the Apache County (AZ) sheriff deputies in Nov 2001.
It's obvious that you believe you're omniscient. I've seen "Ripple Effect" and many 911-False films you're unaware of many times, and can pick them apart. There is no "proof" on all theories of bomb implantation. Holy cow, "common sense"? That is the last thing the 911-False movement has. And on your support for Ron Paul, have you thought about the damage your 911-False movement has done to his campaign for the presidency and of truth in government?
Mypal, It's not "my" movement. It does make me stop and look at the possabilities that the liers lied, yet again. I'm not blindly believing all that the videos say, yet there are a lot of places where I believe that a thinking person free of fear has to stop and ask, wtf? One thing, no biggie, two things, Hmm, three things, huh?, four and more, wtf?. I have to ask. As long as I still have the freedom to. My dad used to tell me that he fought a war for freedom for us.
Yes, freedom is wonderful. I agree with Ron Paul that we should look into things more. But to conclude such things on circumstantial evidence is dangerous. It was Lenin who said "A lie told often enough becomes the truth."
Loaded question from the same MSM media that was complicit in the attacks.
LOL @ someone rejecting the truth about 9/11 because of Popular Mechanics. Popular Mechanics was a strawman attack on the truth regarding 9/11. That product of Hearst Magazine the kings of yellow journalism, didn't even address many of the serious claims regarding 9/11.
That type of circumvention is necessary because the official story doesn't stand up to the least bit of scrutiny.
It's interesting how you found a parallel between the Flat Earth Society and the 911-False movement. If you're serious here, that you're a member of this and donate as a group to RP, then RP's message here would apply to your group also. A reporter weeks prior asked about NeoNazi groups donating to his cause, and he said the same thing, to not bother him with such silliness.
By the way, the manufactured word, TRUTHERS, has a derogatory connotation. You are doing well to discredit the efforts of many intelligent, hard working individuals, and some of your flip flop comments indicate that you are attempting to appease those from the Truth Movement, all the while driving home YOUR rhetoric.
Open up the debate and you might learn something. Or, do you fear that the people may have a voice?
Why try to force Ron Paul to say something idiotic like that? The man gave the absolute best answer he could have! "I can't tell people what to do." "The only thing I have control over is what I believe and what I say."
I don't think RP said anything idiotic, nor do I now think that this question was idiotic or irrelevant. The self-labeled 911-"Truth" movement I feel was very harmful to both RP's campaign and to the Constitutional Freedom movement. As I wrote in the "More Info" link, this 911-False movement is destroying the reputation of those wanting to present better researched information. Thus like the Boy Who Cried Wolf, the 911-False movement may cause lay persons to ignore more reputable warnings.
Oh no, Ron did not say anything idiotic by any means. I simply disliked the way the question was handled by Cameron. "Well, it doesn't do me any good, but if they care about me, they should. The only thing I have control over is what I believe and what I say." I think those sentences cover his position on "Truthers" and any other group of that nature. Simply, believe what you want, just keep it down 'til I'm President. But many did not keep it down and as you said, tarnished some reputations.
Ron paul is a smart guy. He knows that 9/11 was an inside job, but realizes that it would be political suicide to associate himself with a controversial issue.
Why is it a controversial issue? Because Americans are buried in disinformation and Ron Paul is well aware of this fact.
In order to stay in the fight, every politician must walk the tightrope and twirl ten plates at the same time, including Ron Paul.
Yes RP is a smart guy, VERY smart. But no, he wouldn't lie to us. If RP has one quality which is even higher than his intelligence, I think it would be his ethical/moral character. Yes, we are getting buried in disinformation, whether it comes from the government, neo-conservatives, or the sadly ignorant self-labeled 911-"Truth" movement.
Scottgarren is spot on. Ron Paul exposes as much as he can without jeopardizing his credibility or his life.
That's why although he talks about our monetary policy he doesn't talk about the truth about the corrupt Federal REserve. Because if he did he would end up like Louis T. McFadden.
You're correct on credibility. Yes, anyone's credibility is jeopardized if they don't tell the truth. On one's life, many have spouted off on the 911-False movement, have any lost their life? Ron Paul doesn't talk the truth about the Federal Reserve? Have you heard anything which Ron Paul talks about?
Great Post - I am an ardent Ron Paul supporter and believe that the government is lying to us about what really happened on 9/11, but I will still not say that I believe it was an "Inside Job" for the exact reasons that you mentioned, we cannot know conclusively, even thought it would strongly appear to be so. Alex Jones, however, while a bit of an exaggerator, still delivers the best political news around.
I agree, the government isn't telling us everything. I agree with getting them to turn over the security video camera footages. I also agree that it is possible that some within the government looked away from this impending disaster to enact the "Patriot" Act. But much within the self-labeled "Truth" movement is False. I agree that Alex Jones, besides much of the 911 Falsities he promotes, is one of the best investigative journalists around. His latest "End Game" documentary is excellent.
its one thing to suggest that there were many warnings that the us ignored and the govt failed in security- and its possible the bush adm allowed it to happen to stake their mideast claims - but the people claiming a plane didnt hit the pentagon or that the socalled hijackers are alive( often told but not one stepped foward) or that the planes were remote controlled with no people on board make the 9-11 truthers look like jokes-!!!!
salvadory 7 months ago
@salvadory Excellent response salvadory. :-)
MyPalAndy 7 months ago
the host is a real jerk
disgustipated707 7 months ago
Ron Paul did good because the path he was on did not allow him to state such things. But you better believe that if he is the man he has shown himself to be from my media perspective he would investigate the shit out of it. He may be a freemason though, and look what happened with ol Barry over here. One day he's the new Jesus, then he gets elected and he is the old Bush (and then some). Hope I don't have to wade through irradiated swamps with an AK to grab groceries when shit hits the fan.
exxx247 7 months ago
He says he doesnt believe 9/11 was an inside job, Ok, im fine with that, BUT HE DOES SUPPORT A NEW INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, which is the most important thing.
Jacobdead 8 months ago 3
Investigation into why people ignored threats, hid footage after the fact and why large insurance fraud has been tied up into this whole mess. And not some bs about bin laden being on ice for a decade. Suspicion based on evidence is natural but based on fear and circular logic will go nowhere. Being debunked or called out on bs should engage you to research more instead of just claiming coersion on further conspiracy.
NickThomas1983 9 months ago
believer or not he had to correct the speaker twice. GO RON!!!
nudeteawithwoodreaux 1 year ago
america are terrorist, look what thay do to innocent people around the world.
ScottishPEACEguy 1 year ago
@ScottishPEACEguy Indirectly, America causes "blowback" as Ron Paul described, but they have too many tentacles into world affairs, such as requiring population control if countries accept medical supplies through USAID. It's all a globalist scam.
MyPalAndy 7 months ago
Of course he doesn't believe the 9/11 "truth" cult. I mean, did you guys think he was an idiot?
adkinsjr 1 year ago
Has Ron Paul gone through the length evidence that Christopher Bollyn's site has? I think not.
eckyspondoolie 1 year ago
A man of stunning integrity. In another universe, this man is King of Earth. And a loved king!
RyanTheChristian 1 year ago
So please explain what's difference between the 911-false movement & the 911-truth movement as i'm aware there's only one movement, not two, LOL!!!
CryptedTales 1 year ago
true!
SPLENOROUS 1 year ago
Ron Paul Likes to hold powerful agency's accountable for there actions for the attack. for example the CIA even stated that the there actions in the past cause the attack. it's one of facts that ron paul would rather use than the deeper idea of how the agency was also responsible for other actions that day. so even if he does not believe of such actions the testimony of the CIA of how it lead to the attack is more than enough for ron paul.
DataSerpent 1 year ago
RON PAUL 2012!!!
WE NEED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!!
joeylodes 1 year ago
The worst moderator in history... No class... This shit, and Ron Paul's excellent responses is why he won the straw poll awhile back; why his support is slowly rising and even fueling his son's campaign. Listen to every aspect of what this man says, because there is ALWAYS merit and truth in his words.
Clyaton 1 year ago
Truthers are so fucking dumb.
They attacked us with fucking planes. Nothing more. There were no need for bombs, thermite blah blah. It took a few planes with jet fuel.
Nothing more, nothing less.
They attacked us because we fucked around in the middle east for half a century.
TheMango121 1 year ago
2 planes.
3 buildings.
That's all.
Dyhalto10 1 year ago
Americans have LOST the Land our Forefathers Conquered! Presidents are Puppets of Global corporations led by Billionaires (our Gold & National Parks owned by Federal Reserve.)Planned United Americas, Europe, and Asia-All Under United Nations Control( Trilateral Commission.) Next Genocide Populations (Council of Foreign relations)Total Economic control is Agendas(see Cap and Trade!) They believe Billionaires & Royalty has destiny owning ALL THE WORLD. Apocalypse coming to America( see Bible.)
exposetruthwolf 1 year ago
search on youtube : John McCain - Oath Breaker
ariksmith 1 year ago
@ariksmith Yes, McCain certainly broke his oath when he voted for the unconstutional bailouts. McCain is unfit for duty.
MyPalAndy 1 year ago
@MyPalAndy
McCain is an asset of organised crime.
goatman257 1 year ago
Do I believe 9-11 was an inside US government job? Uh, Duh, NO! Do I believe that the US government intentionally let 9-11 happen? NO! Do I believe that Bush and Cheney were at remote controls of the jets that crashed into the Wtc's? Uh, duh, no! I DO BELIEVE THAT HUGE SHORTCOMINGS IN US IMMIGRATION POLICIES ALLOWED 9-11 TO HAPPEN, THOSE SHORTCOMINGS STILL EXIST. THOUSANDS OF ILLEGAL ALIEN-ISLAMISTS ARE IN THE USA. This country would rather spend billions a month on Trashcanistan than the USA.
tickyul 2 years ago
@tickyul You hit the nail on the head. This is the real government's involvement here. This is why Ron Paul said there should be more investigation. Not that explosives were used in the towers.
It seemed that these 911-False people are entrenched in their religion though.
MyPalAndy 1 year ago
@MyPalAndy Well, it just goes to show how flawed and ungovernable this country has become. I mean, it is the same ole story, cannot solve our problems so we go invade another country. Look at the financial collapse, non of the fundamental problems has been corrected, nor will they. Same is true with the immigration policies of this country, same old crap. This country has really lost its mind.
tickyul 1 year ago
Define "that"!
There was no confirmation or denial in what was said there.
Revoloushun 2 years ago
If I were in Paul's position I'd say what about the story you did yourself about the Israeli spy ring and 9/11
DaveIrie 2 years ago
I am furious regarding the way that Ron Paul is treated in the media. There's always that tinfoil hat bullshit whenever Paul is around. it's so deeply unfair. The man makes perfect sense. Anybody who asks questions about the Fed can get ready to be labeled a "conspiracy theorist." This phenomenon actually CAUSES me to believe that there IS a conspiracy! How could you explain the stupid reactions in any other way?
anthrobserver 2 years ago
@anthrobserver I sometimes wondered if the tin foil hat types & 911-False movement were planted to sacrifice Ron Paul's credibility, to make him look bad.
MyPalAndy 1 year ago
@MyPalAndy i sometimes wonder if people like you are put here to test my patience
look at the evidence
facts
lethal1960 1 year ago
@lethal1960 Test your patience? Your patience in doing what?
Haven't you read my posts proclaiming the scientific evidence & facts proclaiming the collapse of the towers and how the 911-False movement of planted explosives lacks evidence & facts?
MyPalAndy 1 year ago
@MyPalAndy 911 has nothing to do with ron paul, ron paul is about economics/geopolitics and people in 911 truth movements respect him for that, and if you cant see the difference then you are fake.
deceiver123m 1 year ago
I'm a bit disappointed my self but maybe he honestly just isn't ready to come to that conclusion yet. It's hard to fathom it as even a possibility let alone conclude it to be the case. I still think Ron Paul would be vastly better of a president than many other candidates. At least we know or have a good hutch he is not in the global elites pocket. That more than anything is what we need. Anyone who is for auditing the Fed is a champion in my book.
TheLoverofTruth 2 years ago 12
@TheLoverofTruth Because Ron Paul is a defender of the truth, he can't jump to the unproven conclusions of the 911-False movement. With this, he is labeled by many within the 911-False movement as in the global elites' pockets. Just read the posts they have made themselves below here. The 911-False movement is like a nutty religion, many mean well, but a few of them will go even further in proclaiming nutty falsities, such as calling Ron Paul a NWO agent. They are obsessed with a fairy tale.
MyPalAndy 1 year ago 4
@MyPalAndy lmao. Fish!
linccnil 1 year ago
Ron Paul is a Great Man and of course knows the unseen powers that control this country and knows full well the consequences of taking a stance that they would NOT Allow!!!! Also, he does not want to get saddled and branded by the system that saddles and brands everyone they intend to either destroy, discredit or force to conform. Real Intellectual people that truly are "Not controlled" in this country are becoming a rare commodity.
Prophecy4today 2 years ago 4
The federal reserve, the drug war, 9-11 attacks, pentagon attacks, the cold war, viet nam, world wars, patriot act, northwoods documents, swine flu hype, media propaganda, partisanship , religions and even history are all a scam, the very people who profited from all those situations never lost an ounce of rights, instead they have gained and are still today consuming more and more power and ignoring the constitution, while the public is empoverishing to oblivion. At least Ron awakenned people.
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago 19
@ExquisiteDoom And Ron told the 911-False crowd to cease their rhetoric. I'd also think that Dr. Paul would disagree with you that religion is "all a scam", as he is a deeply religious person. The Northwoods Document wasn't a scam as you wrote. It was real.
MyPalAndy 1 year ago
@MyPalAndy I've severly changed my position since a year ago.
But to answer you, i agree that Ron likes religion. Doesn't mean i have to support it.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom, Thanks, I needed a good laugh.
Trot a long back to the herd now, they'll be missing you.
DrBrainFood 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom
Rampant paranoid cynicism.
v01741r31 1 year ago
You forgot something - 'truthers'
beorhav 1 year ago
Ron Paul owned the commentator !
mindtrix00 2 years ago 4
I'm glad you put this up because so many people support him and think he is for truth when clearly he will lie like the rest of them for his purposes. And what is his purpose? Is he just to be a marginal fringe instigator of discontent on issues so people will be distracted? I like him mostly but I can't endorse him. I can not see how he could possibly look at all the evidence and then tell truthers to stop talking about it. Seems like a ploy to me.
summergiles 2 years ago
I would also like to say that its only recently that most of the common public (those who do not search for the information but are given it) have been informed about the 9/11 truth movement at all, and to be honest some of the people in it ARE nutters, so really to expect him to endorse what has spiraled from "a movement to have a new investigation" to "theories about holograms and aliens r us" is just stupid- especially on that stage
HeatherC19 2 years ago
The moderator knew the 911 topic is hot and any candidate admitting they know it was an inside job is ruined politically and professionally. The moderator obviously does not want Ron to win the debate so he ask pointed questions. Very sinister.
gmachala404 3 years ago 67
I agree. Do you personally think though, that at the very least encouraging a discussion would open people's eyes? Someone would eventually have to step up to be a martyr. Or am I just being too idealistic?
wunderbeast 2 years ago
Ron Paul would never admit it was an inside job simply because it was not an inside job and any rational person can tell that.
At any rate this was not a fair question. If Paul answers no, that means he's one of the delusional people who thinks a crack team of CIA ninjas planted explosives in the WTC. If he says yes, that means he's against freedom of speech. There is no right answer. The question is slanted.
stork5100 2 years ago
Ninjas huh?
DaveIrie 2 years ago
@stork5100 zzzZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZ wtc7 @@
tigros999 1 year ago
@gmachala404 Agreed. He wants the Federal Reserve to be audited - this may very well provide enough evidence of government conspiracy etc to effect the same changes that would come from having the 9/11 truth become the official story, if that makes any sense. Either way he appears to want to same things that would prevent further corruption and conspiracy.
99Eternal 1 year ago
@gmachala404
Precisely.
JustinC721 1 year ago
The love of money is the only truth to this conspiracy crap.
Hammersmashedface09 3 years ago
He who controlls the money, controls the world - Henry Kissenger
taylorduquette 2 years ago
The man who should have been the PRESIDENT OF USA!!!
IceFireSoul 3 years ago 43
Shows you how screwed the US is they won't even let him speak, that is corporate controlled media for you if I ever saw it, why do they fear him so much debating the issues, why does teh corp. contoled media fear and intelligent talk about the issues? Fox news and all its conies are te worse Americans on the planet. This Econ situtation is due to their corp. controll of tell the masses what they want b.s. We need to free oursleves from these blood suckers.
clthinkingman 3 years ago 4
I agree, more than ever when people now take a "Pledge to Serve Obama", our benevolent dictator. We as a nation really have gone down a slippery slope. It seems that now even the 911 False movement fears debate, trying themselves to discredit the words of Ron Paul, calling him a liar, etc.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
That was one trashy garbage answer from Ron Paul.
SeanMcHugh02 3 years ago
YOu're in a state of denial. Wake up to the real truth and stop being a follower of a fairy tale.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
Lol, youtube won't let me post a response to you because of a URL to a website
saberliner14 3 years ago 2
Yes, you need to put spaces within the URL, like before and after slashes, after periods, and within the "w w w" and "c o m". People on YouTube understand its limitations and know that they need to delete the spaces. Try posting again knowing this YouTube rule. Thanks.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
Ron Paul probably knows that 911 is an inside job, but he also knows that if he openly speaks about it, he will automaticly be discridited and his politic carreer wioll be ruined. That,s the problem.
Ron paul, what you say in this video is a good lie!
taterge 3 years ago 4
He's said it many many times. I guess now Ron Paul is a liar? Man, nothing gets through to these 911 False guys. You're in a state of denial.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
The Fox news spokesperson talks like he should be on a gameshow. His rhetoric questions sicken me. Another suit and tie person who would be a thug or punk if he didn't have his job. These are prescripted questions that have no bearing on america. Stupid media people controlled by the FCC.
7514328 3 years ago
even if your are a 911 truther, the fact that so many people claimed Ron Paul 'knows' about it hurt his chances. Truthers are a small minority, and the rest watches Fox and CNN as they hide Ron from the media. He could have got more votes if he didnt have this bad stigma.
calladuz 3 years ago
It's true rotoscoop there's a danger to a "cult of personality" for many on Dr Paul. Theyve become groupies. I highly respect Dr Paul and his economic and political opinions. I'd probably differ in opinion with him if we had a discussion on religion.
The Christian Right? Most groups which affiliated themselves with Christian groups unfortunately distanced themselves from Dr Paul. National Right to Life, Focus on the Family, as well as many others ignored Ron Paul.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
checkitb4uwreckit - End of story? You and Al Gore are real buddies, aren't you?
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
i was suspicious of the ron paul hero worship from the get-go.
research the ron paul connection to chuck baldwin and the christian right, and the council for national policy
rotoscoop 3 years ago
how dare you negate the work that intelligent caring people have done to expose what really happened that day. how dare you say that their thinking is unscientific and illogical? and nobody cares whether ron paul believes this or not? i could find you hundreds, if not more engineers who will dispute the official version of why the towers collapsed, but i won't waste my time with people like you who are in delusion and refuse to think outside your own narrow beliefs. you're all sheople.
organboi 3 years ago
No organboi, it's the 911-False movement that's SHEEPLE. It's just that they're maybe black sheep, and the rest (mostly unconstitutionally-minded folk) are white sheep. Many people care of Ron Paul's opinions, much more than those who care of the 911-False movement.
I'm not negating that there's some people within the 911-False movement who may be intelligent and caring. But most definitely are misled.
You won't post "hundreds" of 911-False engineers because simply you can't find them.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
I like how he handled that one. He wasnt worried about stupid questions, he wanted to attack real issues
TheKingofSD619 3 years ago
Ron Paul... Old ass doctor NOT scientist. Period
shutyourmothidiot 3 years ago
Hey shutyourmothidiot, what about MyPalAndy? Young-ass scientist & engineer, who agrees with logic and understands construction methods! Ron Paul is a genius. Ron Paul is courageous. You seem to be neither of these.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
the only "experts" that agree that the buildings fell "the way the did" are the government funded ones. Logically how can anyone believe the bogus story that was given to us with the MANY, MANY Loopholes that make NO logical sense??? i dont know exactly what happened either but it damn sure wasnt the garbage they fed us. it was something similar to the similarly drawn up "Operation Northwoods" which cost JFK his life..
DaTekkenGod 3 years ago 5
I'm an expert, I'm not funded by the Fed, and the reported reasons for the towers falling seems very reasonable. The "Loose Change" response has many more loopholes and outright lies. Please find me one engineer, just one, other than quasi-engineer physicist Steven Jones, who agrees with the 911-False movement. The entire engineering community, put every fact and observation out there, disproves any planted explosives fairy tale. I suppose many will never understand Ron Paul's intelligence.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
so do you also agree with flight 93 crashing and leaving a hole with NO PLANE, no bodies, no luggage, etc etc. a plane crash with no evidence of a plane????? just magazines spread out and things like that. do you really believe that?????
Operations Northwoods reborn
DaTekkenGod 3 years ago 10
yeah the plane in philly evaporated, the plane in the pentagon also evaporated. HOWEVER, passports and other documents the "terrorists" took on the planes with them, managed to survive these incredibly high temperatures and land on ground zero unscathed. yeah. i believe that.
cyberphant0m 3 years ago
cyberphant0m, what plane in philly? Is there now a new phenomena of the 911-False movement?
One passport might be found among 100 which were destroyed in an explosion. Things get thrown out during explosions & crashes, some gets burned, some doesn't.
There were even two dudes who survived within the collapse of one of the towers (they were inside a stair well). They weren't burned to bits. Believe it.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
@cyberphant0m there was video of planes parts being found outside the pentagon as soon as police and rescue plus eyewitnesses who saw it hit so your claim is bs- as far as passports and paper- an exploison sends out pressure wave and sends it flying before the actual fireball consumes the area- its common for paper to survive - it happens all the time in car bombings- classic example is the embassy bombing in iraq paper was sent flying but humans bodies were literally turned to charred mess
salvadory 7 months ago
Whilst i agree with your comments, would you like to speculate as to the whereabouts of the passengers and crew of that plane then?
if the plane didn't hit the Pentagon as you have suggested, then where are all the people who were on that plane?
any ideas?
pianoplayeruk 3 years ago
@DaTekkenGod wrong there were pieces luggage and body parts found at the scene- its well documented- when a plane does a deliberate nose dive it will literally disappear- remmeber in most plane crashes a pilot is trying to save the plane and life not the opposite- you slam a plane headfirst into the ground at 500 mph and your lucky to find what they did- if anything- look at car bombings often paper items are scattered by the blast when the pressure wave sends it flying before the blast hits
salvadory 7 months ago
If you follow Ron Paul at all (not just his mainstream appearances), then you would know what he really believes. He openly talks about the NWO, false flag attacks, corrupt gov't, etc... But, you can't expect him to openly talk about 911 during the debate, it is too mainstream. They forced him into an awkward position, because if he speaks the truth his rep is tarnished and people think he is a wackjob, which isn't true. So he is forced to comply, just so the repubs will allow him to debate.
akaRaZe 3 years ago
This is now long after the campaign. Can you and others within the 911-False movement ask Ron Paul his "real feelings" on this issue? I'd expect his response would be, "I already told you". Dr. Paul is a man of character. He'll tell you how he feels about this issue truthfully under any circumstance.
Ron Paul is a logically-thinking dude. He's a doctor, trained in the sciences. By far, most reputable people trained in the sciences will agree with Dr. Paul on this issue.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
You don't seem to know much about Ron Paul. He openly discusses the globalist agenda and the corruption within our government. Hes openly talks about the nwo, federal reserve, and other topics not even touched in the mainstream media.
Any true follower of Ron Paul knows that he believes 9/11 was a total farce and part of the nwo agenda to take more liberties and power away from the people. Not to mention reap massive rewards through oil. It's not hard to understand 9/11 was a false flag attack.
akaRaZe 3 years ago 2
So akaRaZe you're calling Ron Paul a liar here? He's said it so many times over and over, there's no validity to the 911-False movement. So you're saying he's lying here, and I'm saying he's not. I guess we'll agree to disagree.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
what about building 7 and pentagon? the only reason why Ron Paul says he doesn't believe in it is becaus if he would he wouldn't of had any chance to win the elections.
and If you are too ignorent to see what the governement is doing to its own country you must be very dumb.
colloredbrothers 3 years ago
colloredbrothers, really? I think Dr. Paul fared poorly in the elections because people in general are uneducated and ignorant. They're uneducated about the Constitutional limitations of government, the financial limitations which government is restricted to, as well as other areas. The 911-False movement, although good is being a "watchdog" on the government, nevertheless propagates ignorance, within science and the facts. You ever break away from Loose Change to watch Why the Towers Fell?
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
haha.. MyPalAndy must drink a lot of Fluoride. 911 false movement??? which one, the goverment one telling us that radical arabs/muslims did it, or the one that's taking place now, that has the public blindfolded into finding a truth that had been burried and will never be officially released. The government had their chance to own up, but instead they wrote up a cowardly report and expected ppl to be as dumb as they are.
jizzaymz 3 years ago
jizzaymz, actually I drink from a faucet which filters out fluorine, chlorine, & many other constituents. Yes, 911-False movement. It's false, no matter how many times you claim something false to be true, it's still false. The reports are very well done. Have you read them? Another came out recently on Building-7. Will you at least look at it?
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
We've all looked at the NIST report. It wasn't done well at all, total bs, worse than the 9/11 commission report.
akaRaZe 3 years ago 2
Total BS from a team of engineers? And the high-school sophomoronic attitudes and presentation from the Loose Change children was not BS?
The 9-11 Commission Report was bad? Why did Ron Paul put this book on Rudy's Reading List? You're a bunch of babble akaRaZe, no sense at all dude.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
Yes the 9/11 commission report was bad, it failed to mention vital information that is well documented with witness's statements and videos, hence the name 9/11 omission report. It didn't even address wtc7, we had to wait 7 years for that with the NIST report, which didn't even test steel from the tower. Both reports are terribly inconsistent and leave too many questions unanswered. This is the point of view of many scientists and engineers. Don't believe? me look it up.
akaRaZe 3 years ago 2
also, LEARN about simple physics and you don't need anyone to explain what happened; other than a super-force (not the planes, they wouldn't cut it) caused the buildings to fall down.
jizzaymz 3 years ago
Jizzaymz, what is "super-force"? Is that like "The Force" in Star Wars? Do you think that telekinetic thoughts from alien lizard people brought down the towers? How educated are you in physics? Let's take a step back, how educated are you?
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
MIT's Jeff king. Engineering company in london is launching a new investigation now because insurance demands that buildings be brought up to safe standard due to 9/11 and they believe it's bogus and now that it's hitting them in their pockets alot of engineers are challenging the offical explaination. What is your expertise?
TakodaTribe 3 years ago
TakodaTribe, cool! Jeff King from MIT is challenging this? Please provide a link if possible. I'd like to see some reputable explanations within the 911-False movement for a change.
Me? I have bachelors & masters degrees in engineering. I'm also a government "watchdog" type of person, who sees such illogical material within the 911-False movement as a threat to the reputation of the real patriot and liberty movement.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
How about the fact that we were running a mock military exercise of that very same event happening,NORAD was shut down w/ Mr Cheney at the controls, that could have taken down those planes in seconds.Oh,then you have an identical situation the day of the London bombings in London,another "Mock exercise". Its time to wake up and smell the coffee Andy. The worst thing is when ppl don't realize they are enslaved in every sense of the word. HITLER did not even steal the election, he was "elected"?
fthagov 3 years ago
fthagov, there were THOUSANDS of planes still in the air at that time. People both in the air and on the ground were still coming to grips as to what was happening. A basic non-response from the planes would have been a green light to you to "take them down in seconds"? You would have killed so many more than who died already on 9-11.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
You are an expert? Explain the near free fall accelerations.
JSSTyger 3 years ago
Watch the documentary, "Why the towers fell".
It was a catastrophic collapse. The internal floors have no chance to hold back the mass and kinetic energy of the upper floors falling on top of them. How much can a sheet of plywood stop a freight train? How much can 80 sheets of plywood, each placed a foot apart, stop the kinetic energy of this train? The building wasn't constructed like most are with internal I-beams. The open floor-plan of each story was part of the towers downfall.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
"no the boxcutters did it i swear"
wake2thareal 3 years ago
aahh thats why nobody would listen..stupid bastards look wat youve done!!
wake2thareal 3 years ago
I and many others I have met on the web have found this statement from the PNAC I (check out site)to be quite telling: From Rebuilding America's Defenses, pg.51, 1st par. "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl harbor." This neocom U.S. global domination organization is replete with psycopath members like Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Libby, Quayle, and Kristol.
arcturus33333 3 years ago
You know what sickens me? You know the truthers are gonna say this:
"Ron Paul is just saying what he has to say. He knows no one will take him seriously if he says the truth about 9/11."
OpusMach 3 years ago
Yes OpusMach, they've been saying this here within this thread, look throughout it with the links below. Although Dr. Paul wants to bankrupt the elite bankers pushing global government by eliminating the Fed & fiat currency, these people don't think that the powers-to-be would want Dr. Paul assassinated for promoting such a Constitutional idea? If Dr. Paul has enough courage to take on the Fed, he'd have enough courage to be with the 911-False movement if it was really true.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
I agree, man. Most 9/11 truthers are the REAL sheep who hurt our anti-war/pro-civil liberties cause. Have you seen the way a lot of these people act? I'm subscribed to RepPress, a guy who has repeatedly exposed Bush of lying and the crimes of Israel, but when RepPress made some videos that debunked 9/11 myths, a lot of his subscribers threw a fit, called him a Zionist-shill, and then unsubscribed. UN-BELIEVEABLE!!
But I do have to question if the government is telling us all there is to know.
larma7 3 years ago
Unfortunately no body really knows what happened on 9/11, not even Bush. We just know that the Official Story is a lie, and that the White House tried to block the 9/11 investigation, and that Philip Zelikow doesn't care much for facts or honesty. Could be that Larry Silverstein did it, who knows- Oh, and we know that PNAC was itching for a New Pearl Harbor so they could implement all their tyranny but they had to sit on their hands until something blew up.
juserphx 3 years ago
"no body really knows what happened on 9/11" but we "know that the Official Story is a lie"? You don't really know but you do know?
Every 911-False video I've seen (see "More Info" tags associated with this video clip) is filled with lies and half-truths.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
okay I guess that was poorly said- what We know is that fire does not cause symmetrical damage, the 911 Commission Report pretended WTC7 did not exist, we know Donald Rumsfeld said Flight 93 was shot down (watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0) when the official story says it crashed, we know that WTC7 did not collapse because of "Thermal Expansion", and we know that the source of the hijackers' funding is important (they said that it is not important) But yes, I do not pretend to know what really happened either
juserphx 3 years ago
We may not really know what happened, however we should be able to come to some clear conclusions about what didn't happen, based on what we DO know and can CLEARLY observe.
tgneeks11 3 years ago
Storage tanks are easy targets.
There is another danger associated with Nuclear power plants. The 103 United States Nuclear power plants have the "spent" fuel rods -- which are still very radioactive -- stored in mostly unprotected water pools near the reactor. Fuel rods are the source of nuclear energy in a reactor. Spent fuel rods are highly radioactive.
mskydolphin 3 years ago
Yes radioactive, but "spent" of much of their radioactivity. On storage tanks, it reminds me of something interesting. Orsen Wells had an inflammatory radio broadcast decades ago, later called "War Of the Worlds". During this time, sheeple were shooting water storage tanks confusing them with the three-legged alien invaders described on the radio. On December 31, 1999, Alex Jones had a similar radio broadcast, claiming the Russians launched nuclear ICBMs at the USA. Fear drives sheeple crazy.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
Well I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree as they say. I could mention a ton of other discrepances pointed out at rensedotcom and who knows how many other sites, & argue all day about it,but its likely that neither of us would convince the other. I guess maybe I have a different appraisal of the veracity and capability of our government leaders than you, for one thing. BTW,a 2006 NY Times and CBS News 9/11 poll showed 53% thought Bush adm. hiding something and 28% believd they're lying.
arcturus33333 3 years ago
I'd also agree with the 53% who think our government is hiding things. But specifically on controlled demolition it's 4% or less. Please don't make equivalent one question (hiding something) with another (controlled demolition).
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
The same poll said that only 16% thought that the bush administration was telling the truth about what it knew prior to the attacks, down five points since 2002. Also, who said anything about controlled demolition? You're the one that brought that up. The point is, 53% of the respondents were (and probably still are) skeptical about the whole story in general. It's at the Angus-Reid Global Monitor website btw. It doesn't matter how they came down so much as who all is responsible.
arcturus33333 3 years ago
The 911-False movement, which Ron Paul said clearly he disagrees with, claims the towers were brought down with controlled demolition. Again, read the Wikipedia entry on this.
Now you say it doesn't matter how they came down??? This is your so-called "evidence". It DOES matter. Now you're actively avoiding the truth!
Experts in engineering and demolition overwhelming agree with Ron Paul and myself here.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
I'm surprised you don't realize he is only rejecting the truthers because he is in a national debate. Do you notice how he does not request their actions cease? He is quite animated when he stresses he does not want to talk further about it.
JSSTyger 3 years ago
JSSTyger, Ron Paul and other reasonable and logical-minded people are rejecting the 911-False movement because they know the 911-Falses methods of thinking are ridiculous.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
Also from Wiki...
A 2006 poll found that 6 percent of Americans considered it "very likely" that "the collapse of the twin towers in New York was aided by explosives secretly planted in the two buildings", while another 10% found it "somewhat likely". 77% found the demolition hypothesis "unlikely". ... An August 2007 Zogby poll found that 4.8% of Americans believe that "certain US government elements actively planned or assisted some aspects of the attacks".[33]
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
An interesting quote from Wikipedia...
Thomas Eagar, a professor of materials science and engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, also dismissed the controlled demolition hypothesis.[82] Eagar remarked, "These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the 'reverse scientific method.' They determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
I don't know how anyone can still think that 9-11 was NOT an inside job. There's been so many experts in various fields with damning reports. Plus the obvious fact that it all fits in a pattern and plan. It's the gift that keeps on giving to the PNAC psycopaths. They had the means, motive and opportunity. ESPECIALLY the motive: global domination. I'm no expert on anything but there's just too much evidence before, during and after the event. (Jet fuel fire wouldn't melt steel, etc. etc. etc.)
arcturus33333 3 years ago
There's more people that believe it was NOT an "inside job" than those that do. But it's the truth, the real truth, is what counts, not matter if one or millions believe it. More experts disbelieve the "inside job" theory than belive it, and I'm one of them. A combination of heat, compromised steel, and excessive weight forces which led to the failure.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
Well that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But I don't buy it. If there really are more people that believe the 9-11 Coverup Commission than not, it's because the bush administration's own controlled, complicit mainstream media Ministry of Propaganda tells them what to believe. So 90% of the population don't even have a clue what's going on in the first place. So your assertion is meaningless, regardless of it's accuracy. And how do you know the percentage in the first place?
arcturus33333 3 years ago
Arturus, it's not the 9-11 Commission report that convinced me, it was common-sence as enhanced by my engineering background. It's crystal clear to me that the towers weren't brought down by controlled explosives. Anyone who thinks differently are either poorly educated in engineering or easily duped.
I don't know the percentage and never did say I knew. It was you who brought up 90%, so ask yourself this question.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
I agree arcturus. You would think that
if terrorists really wanted to do some
damage, they would have hit one of the
nuclear power stations. That would've
left the east coast uninhabitable for
generations.
One has to think.
mskydolphin 3 years ago
I worked at one of these stations. A plane into these would disintegrate when hitting the 10-ft thick reinforced concrete encasements. There'd be a plant shutdown, but after a few weeks, the plant should be up and running again. The only thing which would break into these would be a bunker-busting missile, and the total impacted area would be limited to maybe 50 miles downwind. Not the entire "east coast" as you wrote.
Holy cow, the general public watches too much television & movies.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
But what if they hit the control area?
Meltdown?
mskydolphin 3 years ago
You mean the containment area. A penetrating bunker-buster bomb/missle would do the job, but the extent would be like a Chernobyl event, not a "nuclear bomb". According to Wikipedia, "Two people died in the initial steam explosion, but most deaths from the accident were attributed to fallout... Large areas in Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia were badly contaminated, resulting in the evacuation and resettlement of over 336,000 people... 56 direct deaths... may be 4,000 extra cancer cases...".
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
What I was referring to was the "more people that believe it was NOT an inside job"... Where do you get that?
arcturus33333 3 years ago
Wikipedia is one, an "evolving" source which may change based upon the verifiable facts provided at hand. Try Wikipedia (dot) o rg / wiki / Controlled_demolition_hypothesis_for_the_collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center
"Rejected by the mainstream media and engineering community" means that most engineers reject it. Steven Jones is a physicist, not an engineer. And a software "engineer" isn't one in a traditional sence, unaware of statics/dynamics/deformable solids.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
mskydolphin 3 years ago 2
I googled Cooper. It seems, like Alex Jones, there's good and bad. Cooper seems to add more of the religious element. Good thing he gravitated away from the alien new age religion (where as Icke certainly hasn't), but terrible how he was assasinated by the Apache County (AZ) sheriff deputies in Nov 2001.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
Yes Andy. It was a shame. He did talk a lot
about a longtime USA/UFO connection. Not sure
about that, weird if it's true, but I'm not
sold on it yet, even though I know for a fact
that "something" comes into our space. If they got him for that, it makes his claims
more credible.
mskydolphin 3 years ago
who was william cooper?
whispers83 3 years ago
Not sure what you mean whispers83 by William Cooper.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
Ron Paul is America's Only Real politition.
It's quite obvious that you have not seen
ww w. 911rippleeffect. com
and
a couple short videos for the debunkers,
Copy the titles below and then paste in
the youtube search window above
9/11: Total Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings!
Debunking Novas Pancake Theory of WTC using common sense
Enjoy, msky
mskydolphin 3 years ago
It's obvious that you believe you're omniscient. I've seen "Ripple Effect" and many 911-False films you're unaware of many times, and can pick them apart. There is no "proof" on all theories of bomb implantation. Holy cow, "common sense"? That is the last thing the 911-False movement has. And on your support for Ron Paul, have you thought about the damage your 911-False movement has done to his campaign for the presidency and of truth in government?
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
mskydolphin 3 years ago
Yes, freedom is wonderful. I agree with Ron Paul that we should look into things more. But to conclude such things on circumstantial evidence is dangerous. It was Lenin who said "A lie told often enough becomes the truth."
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
Ron Paul himself said it here, to distance himself and his campaign from the 911-False movement.
"I don't endorse anything they say."
"It doesn't do me any good, so if they care about me, they should [cease that rhetoric]"
"I don't believe that"
"I've abandoned those viewpoints"
Shouldn't you consider doing the same thing and address real-life evils?
Car1Sagan 3 years ago 4
Loaded question from the same MSM media that was complicit in the attacks.
LOL @ someone rejecting the truth about 9/11 because of Popular Mechanics. Popular Mechanics was a strawman attack on the truth regarding 9/11. That product of Hearst Magazine the kings of yellow journalism, didn't even address many of the serious claims regarding 9/11.
That type of circumvention is necessary because the official story doesn't stand up to the least bit of scrutiny.
BusBoyIsBack 3 years ago
How was the MSM media complicit in the attacks?
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
by lying through their teeth and covering up the truth.
sunguard27 3 years ago
How'd the MSM media lie & cover up the truth?
Car1Sagan 3 years ago 2
This was :55 of the media doing what it does best: distract and antagonize with arrogants
motorolarules 3 years ago 4
ron paul for presadent for 2008
buddyboy883 3 years ago 5
What about the Flat Earth Society? We donate and support Ron Paul too. Why didn't they ask about him about that?
aus1121 3 years ago
It's interesting how you found a parallel between the Flat Earth Society and the 911-False movement. If you're serious here, that you're a member of this and donate as a group to RP, then RP's message here would apply to your group also. A reporter weeks prior asked about NeoNazi groups donating to his cause, and he said the same thing, to not bother him with such silliness.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
By the way, the manufactured word, TRUTHERS, has a derogatory connotation. You are doing well to discredit the efforts of many intelligent, hard working individuals, and some of your flip flop comments indicate that you are attempting to appease those from the Truth Movement, all the while driving home YOUR rhetoric.
Open up the debate and you might learn something. Or, do you fear that the people may have a voice?
scottgarren 3 years ago
scottgarren, TRUTHERS is what they call themselves. Why do you think they are insulting themselves? Only the insane goes around insulting themselves.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
Do they call themselves truthers? I always call them truthers as a pejorative.
jpbalkenende 3 years ago 4
Why try to force Ron Paul to say something idiotic like that? The man gave the absolute best answer he could have! "I can't tell people what to do." "The only thing I have control over is what I believe and what I say."
samplata 3 years ago 2
I don't think RP said anything idiotic, nor do I now think that this question was idiotic or irrelevant. The self-labeled 911-"Truth" movement I feel was very harmful to both RP's campaign and to the Constitutional Freedom movement. As I wrote in the "More Info" link, this 911-False movement is destroying the reputation of those wanting to present better researched information. Thus like the Boy Who Cried Wolf, the 911-False movement may cause lay persons to ignore more reputable warnings.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
Oh no, Ron did not say anything idiotic by any means. I simply disliked the way the question was handled by Cameron. "Well, it doesn't do me any good, but if they care about me, they should. The only thing I have control over is what I believe and what I say." I think those sentences cover his position on "Truthers" and any other group of that nature. Simply, believe what you want, just keep it down 'til I'm President. But many did not keep it down and as you said, tarnished some reputations.
samplata 3 years ago 5
Ron paul is a smart guy. He knows that 9/11 was an inside job, but realizes that it would be political suicide to associate himself with a controversial issue.
Why is it a controversial issue? Because Americans are buried in disinformation and Ron Paul is well aware of this fact.
In order to stay in the fight, every politician must walk the tightrope and twirl ten plates at the same time, including Ron Paul.
You don't believe everything you hear, do you?
scottgarren 3 years ago
Yes RP is a smart guy, VERY smart. But no, he wouldn't lie to us. If RP has one quality which is even higher than his intelligence, I think it would be his ethical/moral character. Yes, we are getting buried in disinformation, whether it comes from the government, neo-conservatives, or the sadly ignorant self-labeled 911-"Truth" movement.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
Thats a good thing Ron Paul knows whats hes doing I wonder if once he get into office if hes going to investigate those terrorist attack.
Bucktooth001 3 years ago 5
No.
ClunkityClunk4Truth 3 years ago
Yeah...when he gets into office....
011EviL 3 years ago 5
Scottgarren is spot on. Ron Paul exposes as much as he can without jeopardizing his credibility or his life.
That's why although he talks about our monetary policy he doesn't talk about the truth about the corrupt Federal REserve. Because if he did he would end up like Louis T. McFadden.
BusBoyIsBack 3 years ago
You're correct on credibility. Yes, anyone's credibility is jeopardized if they don't tell the truth. On one's life, many have spouted off on the 911-False movement, have any lost their life? Ron Paul doesn't talk the truth about the Federal Reserve? Have you heard anything which Ron Paul talks about?
MyPalAndy 3 years ago
Great Post - I am an ardent Ron Paul supporter and believe that the government is lying to us about what really happened on 9/11, but I will still not say that I believe it was an "Inside Job" for the exact reasons that you mentioned, we cannot know conclusively, even thought it would strongly appear to be so. Alex Jones, however, while a bit of an exaggerator, still delivers the best political news around.
LindyLibertarian 3 years ago 4
I agree, the government isn't telling us everything. I agree with getting them to turn over the security video camera footages. I also agree that it is possible that some within the government looked away from this impending disaster to enact the "Patriot" Act. But much within the self-labeled "Truth" movement is False. I agree that Alex Jones, besides much of the 911 Falsities he promotes, is one of the best investigative journalists around. His latest "End Game" documentary is excellent.
MyPalAndy 3 years ago