I would love to hear them! This correspondence could have been avoided if you had not gone on the channels of these ladies to promote your girlfriend!!
Nichtsleezy, one question, have you HEARD Isabel Bayrakdarian sing this, yes or no? Until you have, we can't converse man to man, or better said, Pianist to ordinary man.
Actually, I have heard her sing quitet a lot of arias and songs! In general, I am not moved by anything that I have heard. This is not to say that she is bad. But for you to compare her to someone like de los Angeles or Montserrat is ridiculous. These women sing everything with the utmost of care and precision, not to mention the spontaneity the use when they sing the music of their NATIVE country. How can your girlfriend in all honesty compete? Post the songs that you have mentioned.
Guy, you're so narrow minded it's not funny. Martha Argerich is a great pianist, but there are things that other "lesser" pianists play better. Overall, de los Angeles may be better but Bayrakdarian beats her in THESE particular songs. I love Byrakdarian's voice but she doesnot move me in her Rossini for example. I don't like her Rossini. But you have to be objective. Here de los Angeles even goes sharp! Yes, she does! I've said the un-sayable, haven't I. hehehe, Just means she wasn't best here.
@GeorgeMaxwellDuPre ur crazy how can a spanish singer be beaten in HER repertoire... there can be better voices but no one understand better this music than a spanish artist
@PakoChile I won't even respond to you. But I will remind you that Chopin said he wished he could play his OWN etudes as well as Liszt played them. Why the hell CAN'T someone sing it better than she, even if it is her language? Your narrow-mindedness will merit no further response from me.
@GeorgeMaxwellDuPre I'm talking about expression, not voice. Surely there can be better voices that De Los Angeles or Berganza on this repertoire, but a non spanish singer singin this pieces???.
same thing, for example, with Gorecki's third symphony... no one can sing that piece better than a polish, even with a voice like Fleming. Its about words, inflections, etc, etc..
Elisabeth Schwarzkopf once said that a non-german singer could never sing a lied properly....
@PakoChile But even that isn't true. Someone can learn the language and sing it as well as a native speaker, and there are some people who can fake it very very well and sound better than those who aren't faking it. And just because Elisabeth Schwarzkopf said it, doesn't make it true. Schwarzkopf may or may not have been a nazi BUT she was known not to appreciate very modern, avant guarde music and modern interpretations of standard works. She sounds like the type to say something so narrow.
@GeorgeMaxwellDuPre Yes of course one can learn and there are some singers who can do it very very well (Fischer Dieskau singing in french for example) but is not the case of Bayrakdarian...
But even so there is the color of some words, the expression, the real meaning wich is particular of every language and is lost in translation. That i think is marvelous about art...
And yes, Schwarzkopf was a bitch but in some reason she was right
@PakoChile Ya veo que estás convencido y no hay nada que te cambiará la opinión. Basado en tu respuesta, también supongo que nunca hubieras escuchado la versión de Bayrakdarian. ¿Verdad? En su rendición claramente enseña su entendimiento de nuestro idioma. Tampoco me sorprende, que su esposo se afincó en España durante algunos años. A mí manera de pensar un ser humano no se limite a su nacionalidad, raza, idioma etc. Quedemos en que no estamos de acuerdo, y apartir de allí, escuchar la música.
@GeorgeMaxwellDuPre No, no cambiará mi opinion. No tiene que ver con racismo ni nada de eso. En esta musica tan española (no solamente por idioma) nadie mejor capta y transmite eso que una española y es obvio. Nadie mejor que un argentino puede cantar mejor un tango o un francés una chanson, o un napolitano sus maravillosas canzonettas...Hay repertorio mas universal en donde este apego a la palabra como expresion de idiosincracia no sufre tanto. Pero no es el caso de Rodrigo
Great to see her singing De los alamos vengo. Heard her in Scotland singing this in recital in 1975. Was also available, On Wings of Song CD, with orchestra, Salle Wagram, Paris---recorded 1962. Full orchestra plus Victoria---fantastic! Thanks for posting this new gem.
BRAVA!!! GRACIAS POR COMPARTIR.
tenorisimo1975 7 months ago
Gracias por subir este video, es maravilloso el poder disfrutar de tanta sensibilidad interpreativa.
romanmar1 1 year ago
Love it so much!
fairlytaleofnewyork 2 years ago
¡preciosos madrigales¡
e problema es que le han peinado como una geisha¡¡¡¡
aracy54 3 years ago
who is the accompanist ? Does a fine job.
GeorgeMaxwellDuPre 4 years ago
I would love to hear them! This correspondence could have been avoided if you had not gone on the channels of these ladies to promote your girlfriend!!
nichtsleezy 2 years ago
@GeorgeMaxwellDuPre the coompanist is Miguel Zanetti
victoriamorera 1 year ago
@victoriamorera thanks!
GeorgeMaxwellDuPre 11 months ago
This was nice, but i've yet to hear someone better Isabel Bayrakdarian at this song.
GeorgeMaxwellDuPre 4 years ago
Will you please stop visiting and creating propaganda for your girlfriend on these sites dedicated to the late great Victoria!
nichtsleezy 2 years ago
Nichtsleezy, one question, have you HEARD Isabel Bayrakdarian sing this, yes or no? Until you have, we can't converse man to man, or better said, Pianist to ordinary man.
GeorgeMaxwellDuPre 2 years ago
Actually, I have heard her sing quitet a lot of arias and songs! In general, I am not moved by anything that I have heard. This is not to say that she is bad. But for you to compare her to someone like de los Angeles or Montserrat is ridiculous. These women sing everything with the utmost of care and precision, not to mention the spontaneity the use when they sing the music of their NATIVE country. How can your girlfriend in all honesty compete? Post the songs that you have mentioned.
nichtsleezy 2 years ago
Guy, you're so narrow minded it's not funny. Martha Argerich is a great pianist, but there are things that other "lesser" pianists play better. Overall, de los Angeles may be better but Bayrakdarian beats her in THESE particular songs. I love Byrakdarian's voice but she doesnot move me in her Rossini for example. I don't like her Rossini. But you have to be objective. Here de los Angeles even goes sharp! Yes, she does! I've said the un-sayable, haven't I. hehehe, Just means she wasn't best here.
GeorgeMaxwellDuPre 2 years ago
@GeorgeMaxwellDuPre ur crazy how can a spanish singer be beaten in HER repertoire... there can be better voices but no one understand better this music than a spanish artist
PakoChile 11 months ago
@PakoChile I won't even respond to you. But I will remind you that Chopin said he wished he could play his OWN etudes as well as Liszt played them. Why the hell CAN'T someone sing it better than she, even if it is her language? Your narrow-mindedness will merit no further response from me.
GeorgeMaxwellDuPre 11 months ago
@GeorgeMaxwellDuPre I'm talking about expression, not voice. Surely there can be better voices that De Los Angeles or Berganza on this repertoire, but a non spanish singer singin this pieces???.
same thing, for example, with Gorecki's third symphony... no one can sing that piece better than a polish, even with a voice like Fleming. Its about words, inflections, etc, etc..
Elisabeth Schwarzkopf once said that a non-german singer could never sing a lied properly....
PakoChile 11 months ago
@PakoChile But even that isn't true. Someone can learn the language and sing it as well as a native speaker, and there are some people who can fake it very very well and sound better than those who aren't faking it. And just because Elisabeth Schwarzkopf said it, doesn't make it true. Schwarzkopf may or may not have been a nazi BUT she was known not to appreciate very modern, avant guarde music and modern interpretations of standard works. She sounds like the type to say something so narrow.
GeorgeMaxwellDuPre 11 months ago
@GeorgeMaxwellDuPre Yes of course one can learn and there are some singers who can do it very very well (Fischer Dieskau singing in french for example) but is not the case of Bayrakdarian...
But even so there is the color of some words, the expression, the real meaning wich is particular of every language and is lost in translation. That i think is marvelous about art...
And yes, Schwarzkopf was a bitch but in some reason she was right
PakoChile 11 months ago
@PakoChile Ya veo que estás convencido y no hay nada que te cambiará la opinión. Basado en tu respuesta, también supongo que nunca hubieras escuchado la versión de Bayrakdarian. ¿Verdad? En su rendición claramente enseña su entendimiento de nuestro idioma. Tampoco me sorprende, que su esposo se afincó en España durante algunos años. A mí manera de pensar un ser humano no se limite a su nacionalidad, raza, idioma etc. Quedemos en que no estamos de acuerdo, y apartir de allí, escuchar la música.
GeorgeMaxwellDuPre 11 months ago
@GeorgeMaxwellDuPre No, no cambiará mi opinion. No tiene que ver con racismo ni nada de eso. En esta musica tan española (no solamente por idioma) nadie mejor capta y transmite eso que una española y es obvio. Nadie mejor que un argentino puede cantar mejor un tango o un francés una chanson, o un napolitano sus maravillosas canzonettas...Hay repertorio mas universal en donde este apego a la palabra como expresion de idiosincracia no sufre tanto. Pero no es el caso de Rodrigo
PakoChile 11 months ago
This was one of Victoria's favourite encores.Clavelitos being another.Bless her.
lochness11 4 years ago
Anyone have the 6 songs of Eduard Toldrá i mostly interested in the 6th one. "Después que te conocí"
Trompicavalas 4 years ago
wonderful!
efraingonzalez 4 years ago
One of my favorite Spanish song cicle "Cuatro canciones amatorias" de Rodrigo has anyone has the other 3?..
mariogorga 4 years ago
Cuatro Madrigales Amatorios, no?
jorgeazamora73 3 years ago
Great to see her singing De los alamos vengo. Heard her in Scotland singing this in recital in 1975. Was also available, On Wings of Song CD, with orchestra, Salle Wagram, Paris---recorded 1962. Full orchestra plus Victoria---fantastic! Thanks for posting this new gem.
ecosse99 4 years ago