@kmcyc that is good the buses were replaced. That makes it safer when a bus over takes. All buses on my route are double deck or single decks. But there very respectful with other road users. I hope the bus drivers in your area are more considerate.
Sure, it's got to make the drivers' lives easier too. It is very rare for a bus driver to try overtaking a cyclist and pulling into a stop at the same time. I think I may have only reported a handful of incidents over the years.
That bus driver is being a bully. He overtakes you then stops at the bus stops every time he finishes overtaking. That is not right. Luckily the route I ride on the bus drivers always consider me on my bike before overtaking=they don't over take if they need to stop at a bus stop.
Yes but thankfully this type of driving from a bus driver is pretty rare. Furthermore, these 18 metre bendy buses have been replaced by conventional double-deckers on this route.
The bus driver was lining up an overtake next to the pedestrian island, where there is not enough room for their 18 metre long bus to safely pass a cyclist and so, as per good cycling practice I rode defensively and moved toward the middle of the lane in order to deter such a dangerous overtake. If you cycle, you know all about close overtakes and you should also know how to avoid them. This doesn't mean I don't respect drivers. Most respect cyclists, sadly not all of them though.
Cyclists are a pain to every motorist, and bus drivers especially hate cyclists. Shame the bus didn't knock you off, as that would have been nothing short of excellent. The bus driver honked his horn because you were holding him up and therefore causing an obstruction. No doubt he was probably thinking, "come on, get out the fucking way you cycling piece of shit". I despise cyclists. They are one of my pet hates. Cyclists shouldn't be allowed to exist. Get a car you sad person!
your such a sad cunt is this all you do? get in peoples way and record what they do? your an idiot, ive seen 2 or 3 of your videos and i say your to blame in them all. The pedestrian wasnt waiting at the crossing until the front of the bus is already across. And why not use the cycle lane, thats what its there for, you dont ride next to it as if its the curb. And no the bus wont wait around for you, it has timetables to keep to. You were also in middle of road at start between cars. your fault.
Here in Brighton Bus Drivers KILL cyclists with alarming regularity, Seriously, They seem to think its some kind of sport
They killed one very recently and it hardly even made the newspaper
I ride defensively, you have to to avoid being squeezed, and as for cycle lanes , do you mean those convenient spaces near the kerb where drivers seem to think its OK to park their car or even lorry as long as the put their hazards on, went past parked lorry today in cycle lane, drivew was drinking tea !!!!
when you pay insurance, road tax fund, register you bike and stop when required to at red lights and crossings then you can complain about other road users..... till that time your fair game....and if you get knocked off you bike....tuff shit..... you probably deserve it.....
You should know that I like many regular cyclists have insurance. We are not required to contribute to VED for our bikes as they're 0 emissions vehicles, just like cars in Band A. FYI, I drive and the car I own is in Band K, so I pay a higher rate of VED anyway. There are 78 traffic lights on my commute and if they're red, I stop. Life's too short to take silly risks for the sake of a few seconds. Oh, and NOBODY deserves to be knocked off their bike!
Highway Code Rules 61 and 63 both state that cyclists are not required to use cycle lanes just because they're there. What I was demonstrating was defensive riding. The driver had already shown aggression to me and I, not having a metal safety cage rely on my road positioning to provide escapes if necessary, fully aware that my safety is my responsibility. How can a cyclist cause a hazard to an 18 metre bus?
and not just to fellow road users - I observed a cyclist in leeds this morning at 6am become a pedestrian on wheels 5 times!
The hazard of cyclists? Doing the unexpected - whatever comes into your head to get yourself to where you want to be in the fastest possible time - especially when it's most dangerous!
Yes there are riders who put themselves in dangerous positions, often for little gain, riding on the pavement and jumping lights. Not that I agree with this, far from it but they're largely putting themselves in danger. My journey is 15 miles each-way and there are 78 traffic lights. What time might be gained at one will be equalised at another, so there's little point in taking risks at junctions. I aim for the fastest time sure but first I aim to arrive safely.
If a cyclist cycles near enough to touch the bus, or rides up the inside of a bus (which the bus has safely and courteously widely overtaken previously) then undertakes to get to the front of the queue thus obstructing the safe carrying of passengers to their destinations, who is at fault?
@kmcyc One of my pet hates is when there is a cycle lane, but the cycling piece of shit decides to still ride on the road, often a busy road, thus causing a massive tail back and then they wonder why some drivers get pissed off. Do yourself a favour and use the cycle lane as it might actually save your life. A cyclist wedged under an articulated lorry is either a sight to learn from or one to scare you into not cycling anymore. The latter is in favour of the motorist. You CPofS.
1) No evidence that he contravened the advanced stop line - he could have entered on green and stopped on amber. Being in a Cycle ASL is not an offence, unless you crossed the line on amber red. He did over shoot a little.
2) He can stop on a cycle lane if the lane is bordered by a broken line
3) cyclist is deliberately causing an obstruction if he rides what looks like 2.5M from the curb
4) can't justify overtaking an cycle and then pulling up to stop that is naughty.
The real lesson here is not to provoke someone driving an 18M vehicle. Pulling in front of the bus at the start was just stupid - what if the lights had changed. It is worth being killed to prove a point?
True enough and to be fair this was a while ago. I've ridden probably at least 10,000 miles since this clip was filmed and each experience since then teaches something new. As for the lights, riding this road every day for years I've worked out their timing and would not have attempted to make it to the front had I doubted they'd stay red for long enough. Although probably today I would not have bothered as I know the bus is likely to stop and I can make a safer pass when it does.
Absolutely unbelievable that someone in the public service is allowed to drive something that big without proper training. Ultimately it's the council which is responsible if it lets this sort of thing go without disciplinary action.
I encounter I don't know how many buses every day and every week cycling into Central London and back. This driver was an exception not the rule. Most drivers are considerate towards cyclists and I make a point of waving "thanks" whenever one holds back approaching a bus stop. Bus drivers have a lot to put up with, however this one did get reported for dangerous driving.
I reported this driver, as I do any company driver, be it a bus, truck, van or any vehicle with company logos on. If they're driving on business, they're representing their company and the company has a right to know if their employees are driving irresponsibly.
Cycle Lanes. These are marked by a white line (which may be broken) along the carriageway (see Rule 140). Keep within the lane when practicable. When leaving a cycle lane check before pulling out that it is safe to do so and signal your intention clearly to other road users. Use of cycle lanes is not compulsory and will depend on your experience and skills, but they can make your journey safer.
It is good cycling practice, recommended by the CTC and Bikeability, to move away from the kerb taking a more prominent position on the road to deter dangerous overtakes. Given the way this bus driver had behaved towards me up to that point, I felt it necessary to demonstrate to her that she could not pass with the pedestrian reservations approaching, even though she felt she could.
I don't know dude. What I saw was you riding in a bus lane when if you opened your eyes and looked to your left there was a BIKE LANE!!! that you were nowhere near. Stay in the bike lane when there is one and quit bitching about bus drivers when it's obvious that you're doing pretty much every thing you can to piss them off.
Defensive riding is good practice when a driver of any vehicle invades your space. Cycle lanes are not compulsory and cyclists are allowed to ride in bus lanes. If I was so wrong, then how come the bus company wrote to apologise? This professional driver failed to observe the highway code several times in a short distance and made some very bad overtakes. If you are about to stop, don't make the pass.
@TheValkin1 There are times when a bike lane is not suitable.
A simple example is when its next to parked cars (where a door can open on you), or on the approach to a pedestrian refuge where vehicles will often try to squeeze thrugh a gap and get very close.
Bicycles are legally traffic, just like cars are.
The difference is that if you clip another car while driving, it's just an insurace swap.
Clip a cyclist and you may kill them.... all to save a matter of seconds!
Email received today from TFL apologising for the incident:
Dear Sir,
I am writing to you regarding an incident involving one of our drivers of a route 25 bus on the morning or the 3rd December 2009.
I would firstly like to thank you for bringing this matter to our attention and for supplying us with extra information to assist with our investigations.
Safety is of paramount importance to us and we expect our drivers to drive with due care and consideration for other road users at all times. The driver concerned has been identified and interviewed by the garage manager. They have discussed this incident and as a result appropriate action has been taken in accordance with our internal procedures.
Please accept our apologies for any upset caused as a result.
That's well worth reporting. I reckon that bus driver got the hump and decided to take it out on you. They are supposedly taught not to leapfrog cyclists like this.
Might is right,get out of my way you damn Pedal Cyclist you. What are all those funny White lines painted in the Road for,oh I see they are for the Protection of Cyclists who are they anyway. How dare they slow me up ,I will force them into the Gutter. what do I care if they crash into the back of my Bus,shouldnt be on the Road. You should Report Him for Dangerous Driving.
bus driver needs his head caving in.
0091paddy 1 week ago
@kmcyc that is good the buses were replaced. That makes it safer when a bus over takes. All buses on my route are double deck or single decks. But there very respectful with other road users. I hope the bus drivers in your area are more considerate.
4L3X4ND3R5 2 months ago
@4L3X4ND3R5
Sure, it's got to make the drivers' lives easier too. It is very rare for a bus driver to try overtaking a cyclist and pulling into a stop at the same time. I think I may have only reported a handful of incidents over the years.
kmcyc 2 months ago
That bus driver is being a bully. He overtakes you then stops at the bus stops every time he finishes overtaking. That is not right. Luckily the route I ride on the bus drivers always consider me on my bike before overtaking=they don't over take if they need to stop at a bus stop.
4L3X4ND3R5 2 months ago
@4L3X4ND3R5
Yes but thankfully this type of driving from a bus driver is pretty rare. Furthermore, these 18 metre bendy buses have been replaced by conventional double-deckers on this route.
kmcyc 2 months ago
some cyclists are wankers as well just like the wank that posted this
bhoyy1888 2 months ago
@davver73
The bus driver was lining up an overtake next to the pedestrian island, where there is not enough room for their 18 metre long bus to safely pass a cyclist and so, as per good cycling practice I rode defensively and moved toward the middle of the lane in order to deter such a dangerous overtake. If you cycle, you know all about close overtakes and you should also know how to avoid them. This doesn't mean I don't respect drivers. Most respect cyclists, sadly not all of them though.
kmcyc 2 months ago
Cyclists are a pain to every motorist, and bus drivers especially hate cyclists. Shame the bus didn't knock you off, as that would have been nothing short of excellent. The bus driver honked his horn because you were holding him up and therefore causing an obstruction. No doubt he was probably thinking, "come on, get out the fucking way you cycling piece of shit". I despise cyclists. They are one of my pet hates. Cyclists shouldn't be allowed to exist. Get a car you sad person!
1100HondaCB 2 months ago
your such a sad cunt is this all you do? get in peoples way and record what they do? your an idiot, ive seen 2 or 3 of your videos and i say your to blame in them all. The pedestrian wasnt waiting at the crossing until the front of the bus is already across. And why not use the cycle lane, thats what its there for, you dont ride next to it as if its the curb. And no the bus wont wait around for you, it has timetables to keep to. You were also in middle of road at start between cars. your fault.
MetalFan10101 3 months ago
Here in Brighton Bus Drivers KILL cyclists with alarming regularity, Seriously, They seem to think its some kind of sport
They killed one very recently and it hardly even made the newspaper
I ride defensively, you have to to avoid being squeezed, and as for cycle lanes , do you mean those convenient spaces near the kerb where drivers seem to think its OK to park their car or even lorry as long as the put their hazards on, went past parked lorry today in cycle lane, drivew was drinking tea !!!!
ROCKsquareANORACK 3 months ago
@ROCKsquareANORACK
That is a sorry state of affairs. Particularly the lack of coverage in the press.
Sounds like you know about cycling on the roads then and when and where to avoid using cycle lanes for your own safety.
kmcyc 3 months ago
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when you pay insurance, road tax fund, register you bike and stop when required to at red lights and crossings then you can complain about other road users..... till that time your fair game....and if you get knocked off you bike....tuff shit..... you probably deserve it.....
nickffc 3 months ago
@nickffc
You should know that I like many regular cyclists have insurance. We are not required to contribute to VED for our bikes as they're 0 emissions vehicles, just like cars in Band A. FYI, I drive and the car I own is in Band K, so I pay a higher rate of VED anyway. There are 78 traffic lights on my commute and if they're red, I stop. Life's too short to take silly risks for the sake of a few seconds. Oh, and NOBODY deserves to be knocked off their bike!
kmcyc 3 months ago
@nickffc Oh dear... the road tax thing again?!
Road tax (VED) is a pollution tax.... not a right to use the roads.
Roads are repaired with council taxes, so if a cyclists isn't also a driver, they're effectively 'subsidising' car drivers!
There's around 3million vehicles that don't pay VED, disabled, old cars, emergency vehicles.
Cars emillting less than 100g per km pay nothing, and cars up to 300 pay nothing for the 1st year.
Worry more about the drivers who refuse to pay with no insurance
Cliffjumper24 2 months ago
When Bus driver Honked YOU WERE NOT IN YOUR LANE!
You were experiencing road rage, to get the driver to do what you wanted.
Motorists have a number plate to identify them - how can they idenitfy you? You have no insurance, no licence and no priority.
At that point you were a hazard on the road.
You have the resposibility to keep yourself safe.
Don't expect others to do it for you.
katherine3486 4 months ago
@katherine3486
Highway Code Rules 61 and 63 both state that cyclists are not required to use cycle lanes just because they're there. What I was demonstrating was defensive riding. The driver had already shown aggression to me and I, not having a metal safety cage rely on my road positioning to provide escapes if necessary, fully aware that my safety is my responsibility. How can a cyclist cause a hazard to an 18 metre bus?
kmcyc 4 months ago
@kmcyc A cyclist causes a hazard how?
Lots of times you wouldn't think of.
and not just to fellow road users - I observed a cyclist in leeds this morning at 6am become a pedestrian on wheels 5 times!
The hazard of cyclists? Doing the unexpected - whatever comes into your head to get yourself to where you want to be in the fastest possible time - especially when it's most dangerous!
katherine3486 4 months ago
@katherine3486
Yes there are riders who put themselves in dangerous positions, often for little gain, riding on the pavement and jumping lights. Not that I agree with this, far from it but they're largely putting themselves in danger. My journey is 15 miles each-way and there are 78 traffic lights. What time might be gained at one will be equalised at another, so there's little point in taking risks at junctions. I aim for the fastest time sure but first I aim to arrive safely.
kmcyc 4 months ago
@katherine3486 You really should judge people on what 'they' do, not on what others do.
What a dopey cyclist did in Leeds is irrelevent
I've seen many motorists go through red lights, park on double yellows and over zig-zags.... does that mean that 'you' do this?
Of course not! :)
The rule of thumb is, when overtaking a cyclist, if theycan touch your vehicle, that's too close.
Defensive riding sometimes means moving the the centre of the lane to stop someone putting you in danger.
Cliffjumper24 2 months ago
@Cliffjumper24
If a cyclist cycles near enough to touch the bus, or rides up the inside of a bus (which the bus has safely and courteously widely overtaken previously) then undertakes to get to the front of the queue thus obstructing the safe carrying of passengers to their destinations, who is at fault?
katherine3486 2 months ago
@kmcyc stop being an idiot - get in the bike lane, cycle responsibly with due care and concern to those around and grow up
tartandaddy 3 months ago
@kmcyc One of my pet hates is when there is a cycle lane, but the cycling piece of shit decides to still ride on the road, often a busy road, thus causing a massive tail back and then they wonder why some drivers get pissed off. Do yourself a favour and use the cycle lane as it might actually save your life. A cyclist wedged under an articulated lorry is either a sight to learn from or one to scare you into not cycling anymore. The latter is in favour of the motorist. You CPofS.
1100HondaCB 2 months ago
1) No evidence that he contravened the advanced stop line - he could have entered on green and stopped on amber. Being in a Cycle ASL is not an offence, unless you crossed the line on amber red. He did over shoot a little.
2) He can stop on a cycle lane if the lane is bordered by a broken line
3) cyclist is deliberately causing an obstruction if he rides what looks like 2.5M from the curb
4) can't justify overtaking an cycle and then pulling up to stop that is naughty.
motorbiking 4 months ago
The real lesson here is not to provoke someone driving an 18M vehicle. Pulling in front of the bus at the start was just stupid - what if the lights had changed. It is worth being killed to prove a point?
motorbiking 4 months ago
@motorbiking
True enough and to be fair this was a while ago. I've ridden probably at least 10,000 miles since this clip was filmed and each experience since then teaches something new. As for the lights, riding this road every day for years I've worked out their timing and would not have attempted to make it to the front had I doubted they'd stay red for long enough. Although probably today I would not have bothered as I know the bus is likely to stop and I can make a safer pass when it does.
kmcyc 4 months ago
@motorbiking
1, Fair point and legally drivers can stop in ASL's rather than running the light altogether.
2, True but only if a cyclist isn't using it at the time.
3, I was riding defensively as the driver had already shown aggression, by giving myself space to the left in case I needed it.
4, Bus drivers are trained not to do this: I got an apology from the bus company.
kmcyc 4 months ago
Absolutely unbelievable that someone in the public service is allowed to drive something that big without proper training. Ultimately it's the council which is responsible if it lets this sort of thing go without disciplinary action.
cycopathifist 6 months ago
@cycopathifist
I encounter I don't know how many buses every day and every week cycling into Central London and back. This driver was an exception not the rule. Most drivers are considerate towards cyclists and I make a point of waving "thanks" whenever one holds back approaching a bus stop. Bus drivers have a lot to put up with, however this one did get reported for dangerous driving.
kmcyc 6 months ago
I hope you reported the driver.
jonathanburford 9 months ago
@jonathanburford
I reported this driver, as I do any company driver, be it a bus, truck, van or any vehicle with company logos on. If they're driving on business, they're representing their company and the company has a right to know if their employees are driving irresponsibly.
kmcyc 8 months ago
In the 3rd clip, you were obviously not using the designated cycle lane, your were blocking his path.
taylorbradshaw 10 months ago
@taylorbradshaw
Highway Code Rule 63:
Cycle Lanes. These are marked by a white line (which may be broken) along the carriageway (see Rule 140). Keep within the lane when practicable. When leaving a cycle lane check before pulling out that it is safe to do so and signal your intention clearly to other road users. Use of cycle lanes is not compulsory and will depend on your experience and skills, but they can make your journey safer.
kmcyc 10 months ago
@kmcyc I have a feeling most motorists have never read this rule..... "Nothing do do with me... I'm not a cyclist"
Cliffjumper24 2 months ago
@taylorbradshaw
It is good cycling practice, recommended by the CTC and Bikeability, to move away from the kerb taking a more prominent position on the road to deter dangerous overtakes. Given the way this bus driver had behaved towards me up to that point, I felt it necessary to demonstrate to her that she could not pass with the pedestrian reservations approaching, even though she felt she could.
kmcyc 10 months ago
I don't know dude. What I saw was you riding in a bus lane when if you opened your eyes and looked to your left there was a BIKE LANE!!! that you were nowhere near. Stay in the bike lane when there is one and quit bitching about bus drivers when it's obvious that you're doing pretty much every thing you can to piss them off.
TheValkin1 1 year ago
@TheValkin1
Defensive riding is good practice when a driver of any vehicle invades your space. Cycle lanes are not compulsory and cyclists are allowed to ride in bus lanes. If I was so wrong, then how come the bus company wrote to apologise? This professional driver failed to observe the highway code several times in a short distance and made some very bad overtakes. If you are about to stop, don't make the pass.
kmcyc 1 year ago
@TheValkin1 There are times when a bike lane is not suitable.
A simple example is when its next to parked cars (where a door can open on you), or on the approach to a pedestrian refuge where vehicles will often try to squeeze thrugh a gap and get very close.
Bicycles are legally traffic, just like cars are.
The difference is that if you clip another car while driving, it's just an insurace swap.
Clip a cyclist and you may kill them.... all to save a matter of seconds!
Cliffjumper24 2 months ago
excellent, well done. i like the way they call almost running you off the road 'upsetting'
timwaltham 2 years ago
That is good News,perhaps they will be more careful in the Future.
sunnyjoe66 2 years ago
Email received today from TFL apologising for the incident:
Dear Sir,
I am writing to you regarding an incident involving one of our drivers of a route 25 bus on the morning or the 3rd December 2009.
I would firstly like to thank you for bringing this matter to our attention and for supplying us with extra information to assist with our investigations.
continued....
kmcyc 2 years ago
Safety is of paramount importance to us and we expect our drivers to drive with due care and consideration for other road users at all times. The driver concerned has been identified and interviewed by the garage manager. They have discussed this incident and as a result appropriate action has been taken in accordance with our internal procedures.
Please accept our apologies for any upset caused as a result.
Yours sincerely
Georgia Webster
Customer Services
East London Bus Group
kmcyc 2 years ago
He needs to be taught about ASLs as well.
mrcellophane99 2 years ago 4
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kmcyc 2 years ago
That's well worth reporting. I reckon that bus driver got the hump and decided to take it out on you. They are supposedly taught not to leapfrog cyclists like this.
lsmike 2 years ago
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kmcyc 2 years ago
Thats the kind of behaviour that needs to be reported to the Police and the bus company.
drsquirrel0 2 years ago 2
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kmcyc 2 years ago
Might is right,get out of my way you damn Pedal Cyclist you. What are all those funny White lines painted in the Road for,oh I see they are for the Protection of Cyclists who are they anyway. How dare they slow me up ,I will force them into the Gutter. what do I care if they crash into the back of my Bus,shouldnt be on the Road. You should Report Him for Dangerous Driving.
sunnyjoe66 2 years ago
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kmcyc 2 years ago