One day these Taiwanese NOT only attack Chinese, they will attack all Chinese people! Taiwanese people always want not to be Chinese in many way, even they have same culture and language!
Hey, why not US help Taiwanese to attack Chinese people? Where the US support???
I used to think this was embarrassing for the Taiwanese when it first happened, but the more I thought about it, the more I realize how necessary this kind of behavior is... The more officials China has saying "We have no chance at controlling this mob", the better it is for Taiwan.
Slanted eyes on both sides of the strait lack the communication skills and brain power to participate in civilized dialogues, so they usually end up behaving like monkeys to express their rage. No wonder these countries remain as developing. A couple of nuclear bombs would make the rest of the world much better.
The PRC knows they would lose a cross strait battle and bring about MAD for the world . The PRC need only to look back 20 to the Tiananmen Square massacre . The ROC will be the ROT.
The Chinese government P.R.O.C are authoritarian and comunist . Taiwan is unique and democratic , it should never rejoin China under the P.R.O.C. China should follow Taiwan not the other way around.
@MountainmanNick I think people should judge British foreign policy more instead of the Chinese one, independence may be something good for Taiwanese politicians (and what you hope for) but it won't be good for its economy, since both are economically bound together. China should follow Taiwan? Sorry, but that seems to be too late right now.
@ManjuSu If you live in China, you should know how corrupt Chinese officials are. Search for this article online. 台灣·2兆計劃遭濫用·中拼經濟引出數千貪官
Taiwan's law put our ex-president in jail, same as South Korea. China's laws protect corrupt officials. Look at what they say : 中國為了刺激經濟推出的4兆元（人民幣，下同，約2兆令吉）計劃遭到濫用，數以千計的官員表面上拼經濟，暗地裡卻是拼貪污。4兆元的刺激經濟計劃，反而給了久治不愈的官場腐敗添柴加薪。
4兆? Are these politicians sitting in jail? No. Looks like President Chen needs to go to China to learn from the Chinese.
@raininthesouth The most "Greedy Chinese" you've heard of are mostly company directors from backward Chinese enterprises, have you've heard of the head of Sanlu; who got executed because of putting Melamine in babymilk or Mou Qizhong? China's richest man who got executed this year because of bribing govt. officials? I know Corruption is being reduced in China, but there's a long way to go. I'm pretty sure Taiwan suffered the same when it was developing like China.
@ManjuSu As to your mother's fear of coming to Taiwan, tell her 溥心畬 and his descendants have all moved to Taiwan. If they knew they were going to end up in Taiwan they might have thought twice about giving it away to Japan. Well, life is full of irony.
@raininthesouth My mother's ancestors were from the Sushin clan or the Manchu White Banner, Pu Ru came from the Aisin Gioro clan or the Manchu Yellow Banner, I have no connection with this person; nor does my mother. They might have thought twice? It was not as simple as you think it was.
@ManjuSu 溥心畬 is a member of the Manchu royal family, relative of the emperor. I thought you would know since he is a famous Chinese landscape painter. Seems like he would rather come to Taiwan than stay in China. Wonder why. And yes, I am talking about Koxinga the MIng loyalist. My mother's side is descended from Koxinga's line. I think Koxinga claimed Taiwan for the Ming dynasty, then the Qing government gave it away just like that. All that work for nothing.
@raininthesouth 溥心畬 is from the Aisin Gioro clan, the Plain Yellow Banner. He has Kagorryo Jurchen ancestry, totally different. My Ancestors are from the Bordered White Banner from the Sushin clan, meaning I have little connections with 溥心畬, My mother's side is even descended from Emperor Shengzong's line of the Liao Dynasty who was a Khitan, most of the people that were included in the Bordered White Banner were Khitans.
@raininthesouth And I learned that Koxinga retreated to Taiwan and used the island as a base to reconquer the mainland and revive the Ming Dynasty, the KMT even claims to follow the legacy of Koxinga, to use Taiwan as a base to regain control over the Mainland. It's not that the Qing govt. wanted to give it away, they were FORCED to give it away, because Japan had Qing China at its balls at the end of the 1st Sino-Japanese war and Taiwan wasn't the only province that was ceded away from Qing.
@ManjuSu I don't understand why the Qing government didn't send any soldiers to fight for Taiwan, or any weapons. Not even KMT sent a single troop to fight for Taiwan. The only Chinese who ever fought for Taiwan were Koxinga and his troops. His descendants are now Taiwanese. China didn't do any work at all. Now they want the island. They want something for nothing. Gee, thanks for helping.
@raininthesouth Also, the Qing could send reinforcements to fight for Taiwan IF Japanese forces wouldn't have occupied the main Taiwanese town of Makung, this led to the occupation of the Penghu islands wich sat on a very important geographic location, if you occupy these islands then it will be impossible for Qing reinforcements to land on Taiwan.
@MountainmanNick yes follow them to fight against old people and others,and sorry taiwan is a part of china , it had never left china,so no need to rejoin , for me i like what is now
Agus Widjaja is from Indonesia and doesn't even have the faintest clue anything about the history of China and Taiwan. All Chinese Indonesians feel insecure about their own identity in their own country so they feel they have to latch on to some ancestral origin. Hence, Agus. If you like China so much Agus, go live there. Taiwan is a free country that is not a part of China. Puki ma Agus!!
Aguswidjaja isn't from the US, he is from mainland China and is trying to stir up hatred between Taiwanese and Americans. All the westerners and Indians I know who ever went to Taiwan loved the place.
People in Taiwan have freedom of speech. Mr.Wong who accidently pushed the Mainlander whil chanting "Taiwan Independence", he is charged with 1 yr and 2 months of prison within 8 days of this incident. Please watch the clip again.. he pushed him accidently, but helped him back up. Charged 1 yr 2 months in prison.If this happened the other way around in China, Mr.Wong would've been executed. So don't sell me your ideas of mainlanders being gentle and righteous. btw, thx for the poison exports
No Changchink, I am calling YOU a "chink". Only you and Grandlattechink are chinks here. Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Gan lin laubu chau chibai. Lin laubu e chau chibai ki hong lang gan. Fuck you.
Chang-chink. You are a chink. You speak chink language: ching chong chank chau chi. Gan lin laubu e chau chibai. Lin laubu ho Jipuna gan. Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Fuck you chink. Don't expect us to help you when China bonmbs you. You Taiwan chinks can go to hell.
No matter how, the question is not whether Taiwan belongs to China but Taiwan was and presently now a part of China. It is as if like Chiang Kai Sek running away to say another province of China instead of Taiwan and later the citizens of that province claiming for independence? Even the US had acknowledged that Taiwan is a part of China. All these Taiwan Kia and Ah Bien Kia talking about independence is a waste of time. Firstly they can't even get through the many hurdles of the United Nation.
Wow, i am speechless. You are so sadistic, seriously man. even for cowards like you, who hides behind the safety of the Internet. Saying things like "I thank the Japanese" is just down right sadistic. Wow, seriously man, not cool. Not even for a dip shit like u. I didn't know you were going to go THAT low. wow, simply amazing, Changchih thanks Japanese for the Massacre of Nanjing. This just proves, that there are people without souls living amongst us!!
This is enough for, me, I don't want to hold a conversation with an animal such as Changchih. It makes me feel dirty to even read his words. You are just a little piece of shit, who hides behind youtube and spreads racial hatred. I am not going to reply to you foul rhetoric anymore, for you've crossed the line for the last time.
different what? Words? the fact you even have the courage to say the nasty things you've said is A DISGRACE on humanity. "I have used more different words than u have"? Which kindergarten are you attending right now? I swear the you behave just like one of them!
Seriously, you are not american. You cant speak english. "I sweat the you behave just like one of them". YOu are a fucking Chinese. For you to say you are American, it just tells that you are ashamed of your country. THat's why you feel so humiliated when we fucking beat up that cunt. You are a FUCKING CHINESE. A FUCKING BARBARIAN.
1) please show me where poll is from, and from which source. Who took part in it, etc...
2) I don't assume you have to unify, i assumed that since you are related to China. You should celebrate that cultural heritage. Not insulting China, as if you are a completely different culture/race.
That's all valid, but, I never explicitly stated that you must be "forcefully" return to China. I am just pointing out that your culture is intimately linked to China. So, it is very ignorant, and frankly dumb to bad-mouth China, when you are one of its descendants.
and that's all the English words you know. Repetition, repetition, repetition... you remind me of someone who is brain damaged. Who also repeats the something over and over again; but, at least the Brain damaged were normal before the accident, you were born stupid.
yeah, mr. pee in your pants just now. You couldn't answer a question i posted for you; you couldn't justify your racism on Chinese and Persians; you are so outrageously stupid, you even said that there is no law in taiwan; on top of all of those, you said Nanjing has no "culture"? coming out a clown like u? why don't you go google how old Nanjing actually is! you dumbfuck!
Changchih is like a little kid, anyways, unlike you, he can't even give a good put down! lol, i think he is probably crying, now i've just exposed to the world that he is indeed a vicious 12 year old girl!
yeah, mr. dellusionally idiotic is talking nonsense a gain. Even a kindergardener knows that the KMT lost to the communists. THEY FLED, they didn't "move" ONCE AGAIN FOR THE SLOW:
THEY FLED, and stole a lot of expensive cultural relics from museums too, i might also add.
the chinese should thank kmt for stealing those antiques (for one thing they did right) and bow to the Taiwanese for preserving them! The British museum showcases lots of these there. They happen to be the biggest thieves. Dial 911 now.
because you one fucking dumb shit, you can't even answer the simple question that i asked. You still have the face to show up talking? Your face must be thicker than a city fortifications!
Take a look at these taiwan-kia. They are like gangsters. Attacking an old defenseless visitor. Look at the way the siow-kia stomping his legs on top of the car. This is uncivilized and uncultured behavior. Even their politicians fight among themselves in parliament. I saw some of their "boxing matches" on TVs a couple of years back. Why taiwan-kia are so barbaric compared to the gentler mainlanders?
@sunnynaire Gentle Mainlander? Don't make me vomit. They point thousands of missiles at the Taiwanese. What do you mean? Just before this "old defenseless visitor" came to Taiwan he threatened to attack Taiwan with force. What do you mean? Boxing matches indeed. Have you read George Kerr's Formosa Betrayed? I suggest you read it to find out what Taiwan was like before the KMT Chinese came. You can leave a bicycle on the street and no one would take it. Then what happened?
@sunnynaire What happened after was that the KMT and Chinese came. Oh you mean the KMT that got kicked out of China. These gentle mainlanders came and promptly slaughter anywhere between 18,000 to 19,000 Taiwanese doctors, lawyers, editors, writers. They didn't just kill them, they would put metal wire through prisoner's hands before shooting them. My own father saw dead bodies floating everywhere in the river in their small town. Gentle mainlanders indeed.
@sunnynaire Today Taiwanese politicians fight the way they do because we Taiwanese haven't forgotten how the Chinese treated us. My father said when the Chinese came they went to the train station to welcome the Chinese army. The people that came off the train were beggars who soon started robbing and terrorizing the town. Yes, these gentle mainlanders. Please are you going to tell us Taiwanese history based on what you see on TV? I am telling you things my own family saw.
@sunnynaire Gentle Chinese indeed. You're truly disgusting. Let me tell you how disgusting you Chinese are! First you sold the Taiwanese out to the Japanese in 1895. The Chinese government told the Taiwanese to form their own army to protect themselves. Send us absolutely no supplies or weapons, just a bunch of bandits they call armies. Then in 1945 the Chinese came back this time after the KMT started losing to the communist. They started killing us, one out of 300 Taiwanese was killed.
@sunnynaire So China kicked what it didn't want to the Taiwanese and said here, take our shit, this shit of a government called KMT. Then the communist, like the Qing government, started telling the Taiwanese people to stand up against the KMT. That's how the DPP came about. Oh, so now you know. They started off as the Taiwanese Communist Party with the aid of the PROC. Now the communist and KMT are good friends again. So now what do they do? They shake hands with each other.
@sunnynaire Next, the communist turn there back against the very party DPP then once supported. It was the communist that told the DPP to declare Taiwanese Independence under the KMT. Now they turn their back on their old friend the DPP and make peace of KMT. So now after the KMT robbed the Chinese people in 1945 they turn around to rob the Taiwanese by selling the island of Taiwan to the communist. That is what they are doing now.
@sunnynaire THIS my disgusting friend, is the real story. Please don't make up history by saying shit like "gentle mainlander". Taiwanese people are always being betrayed by the Chinese. We will fight till death for our independence so we don't have to be second class citizens in our own country ever again. So we don't have to put up with "old defenseless visitors" marching all over our backyard unannounced. You Chinese really are something I tell you!
@ManjuSu It is a fact that China points AT LEAST over 700 missiles at Taiwan. The actual number is probably higher. Taiwanese weren't born yesterday. As to visiting the island, Chinese come to Taiwan not as guests. They treat everything on the island like it belongs to them. What's more, they complain, complain, and complain everywhere they go. They say oh everything in China is 10x better than Taiwan. We don't understand why they even bother coming. Don't come then!
@raininthesouth Most of the Chinese that say that don't even come to Taiwan, my mother who is 76 years old, from Manchu ancestry, has NEVER visited Taiwan in her whole life; the reason is what you've just pointed out and also because it reminds her of Japanese occupation of Manchuria. If you've come along Mainland tourists who said something like that as you claim it, then they are just plain rude, but that doesn't justify your claim that Chinese are rude.
@ManjuSu Hey, don't blame the Taiwanese. It was the Qing government that gave Taiwan permanently to Japan in the 1895 treaty. They didn't even lease the island like Hong Kong. They gave it away forever. That is why Taiwan's status is uncertain today. But don't worry, we don't hate you for giving Taiwan away. We get along better with the Japanese anyway. Besides, our national hero who you call a pirate is half Japanese. Sure, anyone loyal to Ming government is a pirate or bandit.
@raininthesouth The Qing govt. was forced to give Taiwan to the Japanese Empire because if their defeat at the First Sino-Japanese war, it wasn't the intention to simply 'give' the island to Japan and now you even consider yourself closer to the Japanese than your ancestors that came from the Mainland? And are you talking about Koxinga who was loyal to the Ming? I don't think he was ever a pirate or a bandit.
@ManjuSu Today, Chinese will do anything for money. You can give up your freedom, your rights, everything. We Taiwanese are not the same. Our concern isn't purely economic. We have our culture and tradition to protect. I think China is a bad influence on Taiwan. Instead of improving themselves, China expects other more advanced countries to follow its footstep. Why should we? Chinese make fun of President Chen for corruption, do you even know how bad corruption is in China?
@raininthesouth I am an ethnic Manchu with Chinese nationality and I have MORE concerns of my culture, tradition and language than my economic needs, as long as I have the resources to protect those things; then I'm very happy. Don't you see that most Mainlanders are very concerned that globalisation is taking a foothold in China and that there are still much aspects of China's culture that can be protected?
Now, now better having real lively debate in the Taiwanese Diet than the complete sham of China's N.P.C (Nod Politely and Clap). Anyway the old man has the low cunning of a sewer rat. He knew he would provoke a reaction by going into a Pan Green stronghold. The look of shock on his face and the way he took a dive was a piece of low C grade theater he deliberately went out his way to offend the sensitivities of the locals. An old defenseless visitor? A scheming deviant old crone YES
well, depending on where you live actually. Shanghai totally sucked for me, too polluted and no culture whatsoever. Nanjing (the old ROC capital) was just lovely, totally sexy. Totally worth a look.
Take up some CJ class or read some books on the American CJ system. Oh even better, consult your Bureau of Justice for some stats and facts. I'm sure they are accurate.
Grandchink, Fuck you, you chink. Your mother is a chink, your father is a chink, your country is Republic of Chink. Listen to this: Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Lin laubu e chau chibai ki ho lang gan.
Except the very concept of the "university" came from the west. So, if you reject western eduction, you are implying that you are rejecting science and reason. Which makes perfect sense concerning all the things you have said.
ever heard of "hypocrisy" or don't criticise others until you have got you own house in order. Or maybe let he who be without guilt cast the first stone
Grande, I visited HK recently. It is still an Asian Tiger. I saw plenty of Filipino maids roaming the streets. Like I said, you are just so full of hatred. God bless you.
But you force Mongolians to live under Han centric rule and you force members of Uyghars, Mongolians, Uzbeks and Tibetans to go along with Han rituals such as the Yellow Emperor. Anyway just because people may be of a similiar ethnicity doesn't mean they automaitically need to united under the same state and political party. I mean if you subscribe to that theory you are beginning to sound like Adolf Hitler when he annexed Austria to begin the unification of all German speaking peoples
Will i have an ax to grind with you too, sir! Why did the Mongols in the 13th century make Chinese wear those ugly looking hairdos? And why did the manchus of the Qing dynasty make Han Chinese wear queues? Don't even get me started on the clothe, man, it will make your eyes pop!
it is true, that on internet forums, words can appear to be more angry than what it was originaly intended. That's the reason why you should measure your words carefully, when you type something, there is no consideration from you for the people might be reading it. It might really offend some people, and hurt others. Changchih is a good example, he says Chinese should be all killed, and "Greeks are superior than persians" etc, all that shit is not just ignorant, it's hurtful too.
People need to read with an open-mind as well and to control their projection of anger in themselves onto the words of others. These words are cold. It is the matter of how you perceive them and your own interpretation of them.
Grande, The people from mainland and Taiwan on my campus were friends with each other. They spoke the same language, ate the same kind of foods, and even marry each other. I notice them arguing about politics from time to time (even between husbands and wives), but they were not hate mongers. Something about them make them stick together.
4 died in China, and thousands and thousands got sick. I dunno, how many people died in Taiwan exactly?you seemed really pissed about it, so I would assume from your emotionally charged words, that hundreds and thousands of babies died of milk poisoning in Taiwan. Now, did it?
What you say might be true, if i lived my entire life in CHina, and kept reading Chinese newspapers. Except, I live in Seattle, and reads BBC, Seattle times. If anything, I am not reading any Chinese paper, so i am overly biased against the chinese!
LOL, a high schooler knows that. People plagirez stuff from Wikipedia, and they hsould be punished for it. But, Wikipedia also contains FACTS, Statistics. Using their stats has nothing to do with plagiarism.
Grandelatte, so what are you going to do about unsafe products coming out of China? Are you just using it as a sticking point against China as a whole, against all Chinese people, against the "commies", against Mr. Ma, or what? What have you done in a positive way?
Grandelatte, (do you like this nickname now?) I never said China is as developed everywhere else. In fact, there are poverties through out the Chinese heartland. Taiwan is more developed? Of course. China today is like Taiwan in the 80s when I first visited the island. I hope when I visit Taiwan again nest summer, I will still find down to earth and friendly people there. Not those with so much hatred.
that's subjective, you have good reason to dismiss the merits of my arguments. But, Hero, for one. I can say his "impartial", appreciated my contributions. So, dismissing the merits of my arguments for personal reasons is childish to say the least!
Grande, calm down. Control that anger of yours. What do you gain from so much hatred and anger. You hate the KMT, you hate the CPC, you hate China, you hate the Chinese. you basically hate your own kind so much that you are disassociating yourself from your ancestry. But alas, they are all around you, and sadly, you will have to live with it for the rest of your life.
White Americans have their roots in Europe, so they should be returned to Europe? Sadly, Europeans despise the Americans who love claiming themselves that they are of Italian, Irish, whatever, descendents. White Americans are everywhere, Europeans don't see them as close to similar. Your ancestors had to migrate, for the better or worse. What do you know about my ancestry.
Mahler, perhaps they were sexually abused as a kid by their own father. Now they need something to vent their anger at. What do you think? Their anger is unbelievable.
Don't project yourself onto me, and whoever else you're refering to. I dont need to know that you've been mistreated as a kid by your dad, it is unfortunate I understand. Would appreciate if you keep some privacy to yourselves please.
Vidrienne, I don't blame you for getting frustrated. First, there was KMT, now there is the CPC. Chen didn't do a good job, but now Ma is getting too cozy with China. Tibet is not as bad as the media has portrayed, but that's another issue.
Changchink, The real natives have no association with China. I agree. But people like you are children of immigrants from China who choose not to be Chinese for political reason. Why don't you focus on solving your problems with China instead of running away from reality. By denying you are not Chinese, you are not changing PRC's intention on claiming Taiwan. Stop sticking your head in the sand. Anyway, I feel your frustration and anger. May peace be with you.
Grande, I travelled China just like how I travelled Taiwan. Don't assume I was forced to visit any particular place. Both places offer beautiful places and warm and friendly people. You are so full of anger and hatred.
yeah, i don't know what language is "hot" or not. I just know that I am fluent in both. So, in case there are people who are bullshitting about America or China. I'll have something interesting to say.
which one? I've never heard the term "ivy league equivalent". You are either in a ivy league school or you aren't. The fact is that you are just making up stuff as you go. I am guessing the University of I & B, "Ignorance and Bigotry". That's where you have been studying all these years, right?
why do you also presume the worst? Why not look forward to Hong Kong as an example? Grant it, they may not be as "free" as before, but people are exactly getting running over by tanks every day.
I fail to see that in a country that has approx 98% chinese, there will be frequent rebellions. Remember the Tibetans are ethnically DIFFERENT. of course, they are pissed under Chinese rule!
see, this is what i don't understand. You say that you are "driven to the corner". Really? How? Even when the Cuban missile crisis happened, which everyone thought a war was about to break out. We didn't think that we were "driven to the corner". Instead, we relied on diplomatic talks to solve the crisis. Imagine what would happen, had we expelled, or beat up the soviet envoy?
Some good comments from MahlerTitan - thank you. Most comments along the lines of "all Chinese are... or all Americans are..." smack of racism or ignorance or a hate filled mind. However, that doesn't stop me criticising the Chinese communist party as an oppressive institution. I think the CCP should do the right thing and commit itself publicly and in law to a set timetable for moving to a democractic system, free press, seperation of power, even if the chosen horizon is 10 years.
Third question to my learned friend FuwaJJ (who I suspect will ignore the questions): why should ordinary Chinese not be able to vote for their leaders? Or at least, why should they not have a chance to vote on what kind of political system they want. Let's say a one time vote on whether to have the vote! Do you think they will say no thanks we do not want this right?
Second question for you FuwaJJ - what is the legitimacy of the Chinese communist party? They clearly have not been voted for by the population at large. So I assume the legitimacy is principally based on power and the threat of force, imprisonment. Do you agree?
I am glad the level of debate here is better than on many other Youtube vids. FuwaJJ appears to be a champion of dictatorship. I would be grateful if my friend could therefore outline the benefits of dictatorship (ie Chinese communist party rule) over democracy.
Let me help you start:
Stability..?
My response to that is that dictatorship is inherently less stable. Ie succession of leadership and implied by the need to have an army of secret police to keep a lid on ordinary citizens.
The aborigines of Taiwan (very small minority) are related to the people of Borneo. They are liquistically, ethnically, and culturally related. They have darker skin and double-eyelid and like to use feathers and beads to decorate themselves. The used to live on the hills but now many have settled in the cities and intermary with the Chinese.
Those who claim to be Taiwanese these days and call the people of China "chinks" are not these aborigines.
Changchih, Chiang was a ruthless dictator. He retreatred from China to Taiwan and quickly ruled Taiwan with iron fist. In the process, he masacred many local folks who have lived on the island for generations. Now, the PRC is claiming Taiwan. People like you feel being oppressed again (I don't blame you). But to be fair, the real natives of Taiwan are the guanchubin - Taiwan aborgines. Unless you are guanchubin, you are just the decendents of Chinese from Fujian province.
wow, a that's not even a difficult question. I suppose that, if you don't even know that. You have no right of calling yourself an "expert" or even say things like "I know about China".
12 year old girls have no business talking to adults on youtube. At least when i was stumped by a question i don't go crying and deny the obvious by saying it's "irrelevant".
You believe in Jesus? Man, this is just gets better and better!
Mahler, I forgot to thank you for speaking on the side of Chinese people. I came here too because there are two Americans speaking for Chinese. I said I didn't like U.S government, which is the most powerful and yet most destructive force for the world, but I was not referring to half of the ordinary Americans. You guys are the only force that might change your government for the good, if not completely, a slight change will help many people from other nations.
Thanks but please don't touch on anger anyhow cuz its not worth it. The same for us all. Whatever happens outside is going the way it would be. It's good to know what others are thinking anyway. Peace.
Why dont you go change your government when your government is a tyranny. The US government allows democracy and liberty. What about your government. A complete change in your govenment will make the world progress in terms of civilisation.
Fuwa, I had very different views of China until I visited China starting two years ago. The people in China were just like those in the US. Some of not happy with their gov, but many are. The Chinese cities are clean, safe, modern, interesting, and very efficient. I've been to Taiwan and China and just love them both. I wish peace will prevail.
And where in china did you go?? Probably the major cities, namely shanghai, beijing. Clean?Safe? Fu lun gong members have been captured and tortured to death. Thanks to local corporates producing unsafe products for their benefits, babies have been murdered. The efficiency you speak of is indeed ironic.
Grande, do you really care about the people in China? Do you care about Falun Gong members? Do you care about their babies? No. You don't. You are only finding faults with whatever happens in that country and whatever they do. You have enormous anger in you. I wish you peace and happiness.
I went to poor rural places as well as major cites. In my 10 years there, i went to a dirt poor town in the north of 盐城(in northern Jiangsu). It was so poor, they didn't even have bridge to connect the one village to the other. There are no longer any young men there, since they have all gone into cities to work as day laborers.
No government in the world are without faults. THe people of the world, no matter what race, ethnicity, are essentially equal. It is unbearable for me to read words such as "we are superior than them, they are barbarians". Such words are venomous, and deeply evil. That's why i got involved, plus, I have great respect for the Chinese culture, and its people. I know better to distinguish their people from their ruling party, unlike some people here.
You don't read simplified Chinese? But Chinese can read traditional Chinese or whatever language you call it. So Chang, you are a very local and closed Taiwanese. No wonder you didn't even like Chiang, who was a Wai Sheng Ren. You seemed to be a Nei Sheng Ren. Anyway, China is not going to change anything inside Taiwan. Status Quo or not, Taiwanese may live the way just as before.
No, I mean the life style and the voting system. Not the topic of sovereignty yet. Hongkong people don't feel much changes now though at first they doubted it a bit. The facts are ordinary citizens in HK and Macao just live the same way in daily life, even joining the Olympics as an independent team with its own flag. Well, I'll quit this for the moment. I just wish the good for both sides. No personal hatred.
Fuwa, last year I flew to HK, then took a ferry to Macao. After that I took the train from HK to SZ and GZ. It was my first trip to SZ and GZ. I was very surprised to see the lives in SZ and GZ. These four cities I visited are full of energy, entrepreneurship, and excitement. There is no difference whether they are in the mainland (under the "represive" dictatorship - like what foreigners like to label China)or they are under SAR. People were making money, partying, and enjoying life.
My lord.... Hongkong people don't feel much changes now though at first they doubted it a bit. ???? Dude, people prefer saying they are from Hong Kong and not china. They think china downgrades them. Moreover, they are afraid of protesting because they might end up like the Tibetians!
That's actually very dispicable of them. Imagine what if HOng Kong become dirt poor? Who are they then? They will say they are "Chinese"? The minority of HOng KOng residents who behaves this way should by no means represent the majority opinion. YOu are again, generalizing anything and everything. Nice job, Dr. Fallacy
what the hell is nei sheng ren exactly? Trying to say ben sheng ren 本省人? lol Can't help laughing at your poor chinese seriously. There is only Taiwawnese, 台灣人. Your idea of Taiwan province no longer exists! Wake up!
The Philippines was once part of the US, is it still?
to be. is is a present tense. was is the past tense. Taiwan WAS part of China suggesting its past. Taiwan is not part of China saying its current status.
Big difference. Taiwan was forcefully taken away from China. While, U.S granted the independence of Philippines.
Taiwan WAS a part of China. That explains your culture, your language, your customs. But, one thing that still eludes me is why you hate your mother country so much? I'm China is still the mother nation to 98% of people in Taiwan. Right? Are you the very tiny 2% minority of natives? probably.
Forcefully? China ceded Taiwan through a treaty. Are you saying the all European are ethnically the same because they were all once ruled by the Roman Empire and then became independent states after that. For you have never been to Taiwan, you dont even know what is the culture of Taiwan. ie there is no way for you to compare both countries. ie your argument is invalid.
Treaty? Do you anything about chinese history? Did you think the Treaty was something the CHinese people wanted? Why do you think the Qing Dynasty collapsed not soon after that? They were ceding Chinese Lands in "unequal" treaties, and this happened to one of them.
A treaty is still a treaty. Unequal, equal treaties doesnt change the fact that they are still a treaty. Democracy didnt and doesnt exist in China. I dont think anyone would bother if that was what the barbarians wanted. The Ching Dynasty fell because they were corrupted and couldnt rule. Not becuase of the treaties they signed.
Chang-chink, fuck you chink. You are a chink no matter how you look at you. The Japs call you chink, the whole world call you chink. The difference between the chinks on the mainland and chinks like you is that they have pride and you don't. You only have anger, hatred, and frustration. Fuck you.
Man, you never learn huh? Since when did being irrelevant throwing up random facts help you case in the first place? you can smear on CHina as much as you like, it still doesn't undermine the fact that you are just a little ignorant shit.
LOL, you might as well reply "it's in China"! An idiot knows that the state of Qi was located in the modern day Shandong province. I am asking for a SPECIFIC city. You either know it or don't, you can google all day long if you want. But, only someone who knows ancient Chinese history, and language would know the answer. It is obvious that you don't, took you long enough just to figure out where the state of QI was. man, you've got no clue whatsoever!
alright, seeing that he hasn't got a clue. I'll disclose to the world the answer:
節墨 or 节墨 is the modern day 即墨. It's very simple, the ancient Chinese simply writes it a differently than we do. It's the same, and the city still exists even after more than 2 thousand years.
Yes, for someone who claimed to have only read Machiavelli, Hobbes, and Plato. You are pretty darn confident about yourself eh? What did they about China? not much right? How can you know more about China than me? I have lived there for 12 years. and I'm not even sure that you are 12 years old!! what credentials do you have to permit you to boast like a clown about your so called "knowledge bout china". For one thing, you said "don't need to read any books about CHina". That explains a lot!
I know that, an idiot can probably deduce just from the radical nature of your hatred for this individual. That, he probably said certain things that ticked people like you off. But, still, it doesn't justify violence. Nothing does. Like I said before, rely on the justice system, due process. I can't just go beat up an individual because hate him/her so much. The people could've protested around him, and swear at him, for all i care. but, the moment they hit him, they've violated common law.
Really? is that a challenge. When i was in china, people called me a "中国通. (someone who apparently knows a lot about China)
Let me ask you a simple question about Chinese culture and history, if you can answer it correctly, I'll concede that you know more about China than I am! Here is the question:
During the warring states period, each of the seven states had their own currency:
No, it seemed you know little about China. It's a China you chose to believe. I'll quote what you said to agus - I was born in China raised up in China, what you know about China by reading second hand sources is almost nothing.
what college do you go to anyways? only 11 essays a year? LOL, I used to write that many in a quarter! you sure you are in college? I think you must be in middle school!
No. An hour ago, I said we make law to protect ourselves. ie There is law for the Taiwanese. There is no law protecting that "envoy" ie theres no notion of lawfulness in that attack.
since you claim that your law only works for Taiwanese. Do foreigners still go to your country? I mean, there is no law whatsoever protecting them! First of all, you have to be an "Envoy" to even qualify for the Vienna Convention, right? most tourists aren't "envoys" , are they? By that logic, they are not protected at all? so, you can basically steal/rape/rob them at your will?
Glad to know that Taiwan has "no Law". Man, i should a plan a trip there, and just rob and take as much money as i can. hey! there is no law, or notion of "Lawfulness"!
I'm glad to know that your knowledge dervies from books! Now, every Wiki entry have citations of which scholarly books/articles they used; would you be so kind as to inform us of your sources? In other words, cite all the books that you read please! It must be a long list, but I am patient.
wikipedia says: Population of Taiwan approx. 23 million (as of 2005) BOLLOCKS - according to u wiki says: 98% Han Chinese 70% Hoklo 14% Hakka 14% Mainlanders 2% Aboriginal Taiwanese BOLLOCKS! - according to u wiki say: "Bollocks" is a word of Anglo-Saxon origin, meaning "testicles". That is also Bollocks! according to u the list goes on and on...
what? I don't use wikipedia other than to find out about some facts. and, how does knowing the facts hurt me? Last time i checked, you haven't got any facts straight. Everything said by you came from something you pulled out of your ass.
So, hypothetically speaking. If I accuse you of stealing something from me. Without the due process, I am allowed in your so called "democratic society" to beat the shit out of you?
So, there are places that Chinese can't go in Taiwan? Sounds awfully like the old racist southern states of U.S!!
Your shit domestic judicial analogy is not applicable. This is International. There is law in Taiwan that says you cant attack people. There is no law saying you cant attack a Chinese/foreign "envoy" or an "envoy" of tyranny. ie people can do whatever they like on them and that is democracy. We make our laws to protect ourselves. That is democracy. We dont make laws to protec tyranny.
who the fuck are you? Last time I checked, only the supreme court judges are the sole interpretors of laws. So, if there is any truth to your ridiculous response. It should've come from a judge, not you!
I am Taiwanese. Who the fucking shit are you? You dont even know any Taiwanese law. Go, go find mean a law in Taiwan that says attacking an "envoy" from a tyranny is illegal and unlawful. GO. Otherwise shut the fuck up.
I bet it is also lawful in Taiwan to whack a bigot with a folding chair, right? There is no laws prohibiting that? Mr. Professor of law. Your "J.D" probably stands for "juvenile delinquency".
okay, you said Taiwan is a democracy. Well, democratic governments tend to have this thing called "LAWS". It's pretty much the basis for any well-run nation. I said: there is something called "Due Process", there is something called "universal rights". Apply that to your rhetoric, is it still "Lawful" to beat up someone? even if he/she is guilty of whatever he/she is accused of? What kind of civilized nation would permit this sort of "vigilantism"?
If no theres no law. Theres no notion of lawfulness. A law which would say the attack was illegitimate is the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. Unfortunately, because China refuses to recognise Taiwan. This Convention does not apply.
and what does the "Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations" say about battery and assaults on foreign envoys? You are probably the wrong person to ask, since you brought it up. Please do tell.
One day these Taiwanese NOT only attack Chinese, they will attack all Chinese people! Taiwanese people always want not to be Chinese in many way, even they have same culture and language!
Hey, why not US help Taiwanese to attack Chinese people? Where the US support???
ta986468 1 year ago
I used to think this was embarrassing for the Taiwanese when it first happened, but the more I thought about it, the more I realize how necessary this kind of behavior is... The more officials China has saying "We have no chance at controlling this mob", the better it is for Taiwan.
XinBiDe 1 year ago
for me, the best part of this video is between 1:05 and 1:35.
Priceless.
krislyttle 2 years ago
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krislyttle 2 years ago
beat up that chink, nice ^_^
lanuiiohu 2 years ago
Slanted eyes on both sides of the strait lack the communication skills and brain power to participate in civilized dialogues, so they usually end up behaving like monkeys to express their rage. No wonder these countries remain as developing. A couple of nuclear bombs would make the rest of the world much better.
salmonslayer12 2 years ago
Canadians are so fucking white, all other people won't see them jumping through a cloud even as giants.
YELLOW POWER PWNS white power
0LuckyInternetUser0 2 years ago
The PRC knows they would lose a cross strait battle and bring about MAD for the world . The PRC need only to look back 20 to the Tiananmen Square massacre . The ROC will be the ROT.
NateRiley3000 2 years ago
The Chinese government P.R.O.C are authoritarian and comunist . Taiwan is unique and democratic , it should never rejoin China under the P.R.O.C. China should follow Taiwan not the other way around.
MountainmanNick 2 years ago 2
@MountainmanNick I think people should judge British foreign policy more instead of the Chinese one, independence may be something good for Taiwanese politicians (and what you hope for) but it won't be good for its economy, since both are economically bound together. China should follow Taiwan? Sorry, but that seems to be too late right now.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu If you live in China, you should know how corrupt Chinese officials are. Search for this article online. 台灣·2兆計劃遭濫用·中拼經濟引出數千貪官
Taiwan's law put our ex-president in jail, same as South Korea. China's laws protect corrupt officials. Look at what they say : 中國為了刺激經濟推出的4兆元（人民幣，下同，約2兆令吉）計劃遭到濫用，數以千計的官員表面上拼經濟，暗地裡卻是拼貪污。4兆元的刺激經濟計劃，反而給了久治不愈的官場腐敗添柴加薪。
4兆? Are these politicians sitting in jail? No. Looks like President Chen needs to go to China to learn from the Chinese.
raininthesouth 1 year ago
@raininthesouth The most "Greedy Chinese" you've heard of are mostly company directors from backward Chinese enterprises, have you've heard of the head of Sanlu; who got executed because of putting Melamine in babymilk or Mou Qizhong? China's richest man who got executed this year because of bribing govt. officials? I know Corruption is being reduced in China, but there's a long way to go. I'm pretty sure Taiwan suffered the same when it was developing like China.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu As to your mother's fear of coming to Taiwan, tell her 溥心畬 and his descendants have all moved to Taiwan. If they knew they were going to end up in Taiwan they might have thought twice about giving it away to Japan. Well, life is full of irony.
raininthesouth 1 year ago
@raininthesouth My mother's ancestors were from the Sushin clan or the Manchu White Banner, Pu Ru came from the Aisin Gioro clan or the Manchu Yellow Banner, I have no connection with this person; nor does my mother. They might have thought twice? It was not as simple as you think it was.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu 溥心畬 is a member of the Manchu royal family, relative of the emperor. I thought you would know since he is a famous Chinese landscape painter. Seems like he would rather come to Taiwan than stay in China. Wonder why. And yes, I am talking about Koxinga the MIng loyalist. My mother's side is descended from Koxinga's line. I think Koxinga claimed Taiwan for the Ming dynasty, then the Qing government gave it away just like that. All that work for nothing.
raininthesouth 1 year ago
@raininthesouth 溥心畬 is from the Aisin Gioro clan, the Plain Yellow Banner. He has Kagorryo Jurchen ancestry, totally different. My Ancestors are from the Bordered White Banner from the Sushin clan, meaning I have little connections with 溥心畬, My mother's side is even descended from Emperor Shengzong's line of the Liao Dynasty who was a Khitan, most of the people that were included in the Bordered White Banner were Khitans.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@raininthesouth And I learned that Koxinga retreated to Taiwan and used the island as a base to reconquer the mainland and revive the Ming Dynasty, the KMT even claims to follow the legacy of Koxinga, to use Taiwan as a base to regain control over the Mainland. It's not that the Qing govt. wanted to give it away, they were FORCED to give it away, because Japan had Qing China at its balls at the end of the 1st Sino-Japanese war and Taiwan wasn't the only province that was ceded away from Qing.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu I don't understand why the Qing government didn't send any soldiers to fight for Taiwan, or any weapons. Not even KMT sent a single troop to fight for Taiwan. The only Chinese who ever fought for Taiwan were Koxinga and his troops. His descendants are now Taiwanese. China didn't do any work at all. Now they want the island. They want something for nothing. Gee, thanks for helping.
raininthesouth 1 year ago
@raininthesouth Also, the Qing could send reinforcements to fight for Taiwan IF Japanese forces wouldn't have occupied the main Taiwanese town of Makung, this led to the occupation of the Penghu islands wich sat on a very important geographic location, if you occupy these islands then it will be impossible for Qing reinforcements to land on Taiwan.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@MountainmanNick yes follow them to fight against old people and others,and sorry taiwan is a part of china , it had never left china,so no need to rejoin , for me i like what is now
another505 1 year ago
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@another505 Taiwan is not a part China because it is separated by the Taiwan straight.
MountainmanNick 1 year ago
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China don't want to fight Taiwan,
China loves Taiwan, and just want you to come home.
If war starts Taiwan will lose, and no one will help you.
Taiwan buys outdated air craft and missiles from USA
China develop advance aircraft and space technology
Russia Also supports china with high advance aircrafts.
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watch?v=pbsrD5-5FoA&feature=re lated
So please stop being brainwashed by the western media, and come home. we are one nation.
IChosenKnight 2 years ago
Agus Widjaja is from Indonesia and doesn't even have the faintest clue anything about the history of China and Taiwan. All Chinese Indonesians feel insecure about their own identity in their own country so they feel they have to latch on to some ancestral origin. Hence, Agus. If you like China so much Agus, go live there. Taiwan is a free country that is not a part of China. Puki ma Agus!!
minoumuji 3 years ago
Aguswidjaja isn't from the US, he is from mainland China and is trying to stir up hatred between Taiwanese and Americans. All the westerners and Indians I know who ever went to Taiwan loved the place.
Heroditusopus 3 years ago
Heroditusopus, you dumb fuck. You are so wrong.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
People in Taiwan have freedom of speech. Mr.Wong who accidently pushed the Mainlander whil chanting "Taiwan Independence", he is charged with 1 yr and 2 months of prison within 8 days of this incident. Please watch the clip again.. he pushed him accidently, but helped him back up. Charged 1 yr 2 months in prison.If this happened the other way around in China, Mr.Wong would've been executed. So don't sell me your ideas of mainlanders being gentle and righteous. btw, thx for the poison exports
freedomblazes 3 years ago
BTW: Taiwanese ex-president, Ah bien, was assaulted and kicked in the butt by a citizen and he got sentenced 4 months in prison.
Compare.
President ass kicking purposely, 4 months. Mainland envoy accidently pushed, 1 yr 2 months prison.
See how corrupted the government is?
freedomblazes 3 years ago
You should take those poisons and kill yourself.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
No Changchink, I am calling YOU a "chink". Only you and Grandlattechink are chinks here. Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Gan lin laubu chau chibai. Lin laubu e chau chibai ki hong lang gan. Fuck you.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
Chang-chink. You are a chink. You speak chink language: ching chong chank chau chi. Gan lin laubu e chau chibai. Lin laubu ho Jipuna gan. Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Fuck you chink. Don't expect us to help you when China bonmbs you. You Taiwan chinks can go to hell.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
No matter how, the question is not whether Taiwan belongs to China but Taiwan was and presently now a part of China. It is as if like Chiang Kai Sek running away to say another province of China instead of Taiwan and later the citizens of that province claiming for independence? Even the US had acknowledged that Taiwan is a part of China. All these Taiwan Kia and Ah Bien Kia talking about independence is a waste of time. Firstly they can't even get through the many hurdles of the United Nation.
lotiprata 3 years ago
Wow, i am speechless. You are so sadistic, seriously man. even for cowards like you, who hides behind the safety of the Internet. Saying things like "I thank the Japanese" is just down right sadistic. Wow, seriously man, not cool. Not even for a dip shit like u. I didn't know you were going to go THAT low. wow, simply amazing, Changchih thanks Japanese for the Massacre of Nanjing. This just proves, that there are people without souls living amongst us!!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
This is enough for, me, I don't want to hold a conversation with an animal such as Changchih. It makes me feel dirty to even read his words. You are just a little piece of shit, who hides behind youtube and spreads racial hatred. I am not going to reply to you foul rhetoric anymore, for you've crossed the line for the last time.
have a good life!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
different what? Words? the fact you even have the courage to say the nasty things you've said is A DISGRACE on humanity. "I have used more different words than u have"? Which kindergarten are you attending right now? I swear the you behave just like one of them!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Seriously, you are not american. You cant speak english. "I sweat the you behave just like one of them". YOu are a fucking Chinese. For you to say you are American, it just tells that you are ashamed of your country. THat's why you feel so humiliated when we fucking beat up that cunt. You are a FUCKING CHINESE. A FUCKING BARBARIAN.
changchih228 3 years ago
Changchink, gan lin laubu chau chi bai. Li ki ho lang gan. Taiwan is Tiongkok e.
Fuck you, you chink.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
ARe you fucking dumb or what? so, Is China called the "west" too? Ever heard the world "Orient"?
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Heard of "Journey to the West"? Did they go to America? NO?
changchih228 3 years ago
1) please show me where poll is from, and from which source. Who took part in it, etc...
2) I don't assume you have to unify, i assumed that since you are related to China. You should celebrate that cultural heritage. Not insulting China, as if you are a completely different culture/race.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
That's all valid, but, I never explicitly stated that you must be "forcefully" return to China. I am just pointing out that your culture is intimately linked to China. So, it is very ignorant, and frankly dumb to bad-mouth China, when you are one of its descendants.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
I not claiming that, it's was taken from wikipedia. If you are not happy with 98%, please tell me a more accurate source.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Did I say "America" I said the "west", are you fucking blind too?
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
and that's all the English words you know. Repetition, repetition, repetition... you remind me of someone who is brain damaged. Who also repeats the something over and over again; but, at least the Brain damaged were normal before the accident, you were born stupid.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
yeah, mr. pee in your pants just now. You couldn't answer a question i posted for you; you couldn't justify your racism on Chinese and Persians; you are so outrageously stupid, you even said that there is no law in taiwan; on top of all of those, you said Nanjing has no "culture"? coming out a clown like u? why don't you go google how old Nanjing actually is! you dumbfuck!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Changchih is like a little kid, anyways, unlike you, he can't even give a good put down! lol, i think he is probably crying, now i've just exposed to the world that he is indeed a vicious 12 year old girl!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
you falsely accused me of only being in "Major" cities, i was just correcting you.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
yeah, mr. dellusionally idiotic is talking nonsense a gain. Even a kindergardener knows that the KMT lost to the communists. THEY FLED, they didn't "move" ONCE AGAIN FOR THE SLOW:
THEY FLED, and stole a lot of expensive cultural relics from museums too, i might also add.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
the chinese should thank kmt for stealing those antiques (for one thing they did right) and bow to the Taiwanese for preserving them! The British museum showcases lots of these there. They happen to be the biggest thieves. Dial 911 now.
Grandelatte247 3 years ago
Grandchink247. YOU chink.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
Grandechink, you chink.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
because you one fucking dumb shit, you can't even answer the simple question that i asked. You still have the face to show up talking? Your face must be thicker than a city fortifications!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Take a look at these taiwan-kia. They are like gangsters. Attacking an old defenseless visitor. Look at the way the siow-kia stomping his legs on top of the car. This is uncivilized and uncultured behavior. Even their politicians fight among themselves in parliament. I saw some of their "boxing matches" on TVs a couple of years back. Why taiwan-kia are so barbaric compared to the gentler mainlanders?
sunnynaire 3 years ago 4
@sunnynaire Gentle Mainlander? Don't make me vomit. They point thousands of missiles at the Taiwanese. What do you mean? Just before this "old defenseless visitor" came to Taiwan he threatened to attack Taiwan with force. What do you mean? Boxing matches indeed. Have you read George Kerr's Formosa Betrayed? I suggest you read it to find out what Taiwan was like before the KMT Chinese came. You can leave a bicycle on the street and no one would take it. Then what happened?
raininthesouth 1 year ago
@sunnynaire What happened after was that the KMT and Chinese came. Oh you mean the KMT that got kicked out of China. These gentle mainlanders came and promptly slaughter anywhere between 18,000 to 19,000 Taiwanese doctors, lawyers, editors, writers. They didn't just kill them, they would put metal wire through prisoner's hands before shooting them. My own father saw dead bodies floating everywhere in the river in their small town. Gentle mainlanders indeed.
raininthesouth 1 year ago
@sunnynaire Today Taiwanese politicians fight the way they do because we Taiwanese haven't forgotten how the Chinese treated us. My father said when the Chinese came they went to the train station to welcome the Chinese army. The people that came off the train were beggars who soon started robbing and terrorizing the town. Yes, these gentle mainlanders. Please are you going to tell us Taiwanese history based on what you see on TV? I am telling you things my own family saw.
raininthesouth 1 year ago
@sunnynaire Gentle Chinese indeed. You're truly disgusting. Let me tell you how disgusting you Chinese are! First you sold the Taiwanese out to the Japanese in 1895. The Chinese government told the Taiwanese to form their own army to protect themselves. Send us absolutely no supplies or weapons, just a bunch of bandits they call armies. Then in 1945 the Chinese came back this time after the KMT started losing to the communist. They started killing us, one out of 300 Taiwanese was killed.
raininthesouth 1 year ago
@sunnynaire So China kicked what it didn't want to the Taiwanese and said here, take our shit, this shit of a government called KMT. Then the communist, like the Qing government, started telling the Taiwanese people to stand up against the KMT. That's how the DPP came about. Oh, so now you know. They started off as the Taiwanese Communist Party with the aid of the PROC. Now the communist and KMT are good friends again. So now what do they do? They shake hands with each other.
raininthesouth 1 year ago
@sunnynaire Next, the communist turn there back against the very party DPP then once supported. It was the communist that told the DPP to declare Taiwanese Independence under the KMT. Now they turn their back on their old friend the DPP and make peace of KMT. So now after the KMT robbed the Chinese people in 1945 they turn around to rob the Taiwanese by selling the island of Taiwan to the communist. That is what they are doing now.
raininthesouth 1 year ago
@sunnynaire THIS my disgusting friend, is the real story. Please don't make up history by saying shit like "gentle mainlander". Taiwanese people are always being betrayed by the Chinese. We will fight till death for our independence so we don't have to be second class citizens in our own country ever again. So we don't have to put up with "old defenseless visitors" marching all over our backyard unannounced. You Chinese really are something I tell you!
raininthesouth 1 year ago
@raininthesouth I am Chinese, do you think I am pointing missiles to Taiwan when I visit the island itself?
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu It is a fact that China points AT LEAST over 700 missiles at Taiwan. The actual number is probably higher. Taiwanese weren't born yesterday. As to visiting the island, Chinese come to Taiwan not as guests. They treat everything on the island like it belongs to them. What's more, they complain, complain, and complain everywhere they go. They say oh everything in China is 10x better than Taiwan. We don't understand why they even bother coming. Don't come then!
raininthesouth 1 year ago
@raininthesouth Most of the Chinese that say that don't even come to Taiwan, my mother who is 76 years old, from Manchu ancestry, has NEVER visited Taiwan in her whole life; the reason is what you've just pointed out and also because it reminds her of Japanese occupation of Manchuria. If you've come along Mainland tourists who said something like that as you claim it, then they are just plain rude, but that doesn't justify your claim that Chinese are rude.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu Hey, don't blame the Taiwanese. It was the Qing government that gave Taiwan permanently to Japan in the 1895 treaty. They didn't even lease the island like Hong Kong. They gave it away forever. That is why Taiwan's status is uncertain today. But don't worry, we don't hate you for giving Taiwan away. We get along better with the Japanese anyway. Besides, our national hero who you call a pirate is half Japanese. Sure, anyone loyal to Ming government is a pirate or bandit.
raininthesouth 1 year ago
@raininthesouth The Qing govt. was forced to give Taiwan to the Japanese Empire because if their defeat at the First Sino-Japanese war, it wasn't the intention to simply 'give' the island to Japan and now you even consider yourself closer to the Japanese than your ancestors that came from the Mainland? And are you talking about Koxinga who was loyal to the Ming? I don't think he was ever a pirate or a bandit.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu Today, Chinese will do anything for money. You can give up your freedom, your rights, everything. We Taiwanese are not the same. Our concern isn't purely economic. We have our culture and tradition to protect. I think China is a bad influence on Taiwan. Instead of improving themselves, China expects other more advanced countries to follow its footstep. Why should we? Chinese make fun of President Chen for corruption, do you even know how bad corruption is in China?
raininthesouth 1 year ago
@raininthesouth I am an ethnic Manchu with Chinese nationality and I have MORE concerns of my culture, tradition and language than my economic needs, as long as I have the resources to protect those things; then I'm very happy. Don't you see that most Mainlanders are very concerned that globalisation is taking a foothold in China and that there are still much aspects of China's culture that can be protected?
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@sunnynaire
Now, now better having real lively debate in the Taiwanese Diet than the complete sham of China's N.P.C (Nod Politely and Clap). Anyway the old man has the low cunning of a sewer rat. He knew he would provoke a reaction by going into a Pan Green stronghold. The look of shock on his face and the way he took a dive was a piece of low C grade theater he deliberately went out his way to offend the sensitivities of the locals. An old defenseless visitor? A scheming deviant old crone YES
whytedog 1 year ago
So..you said,"we're more cultured and assure of the situation."?
Take a look at the above video clip to see how the "cultured" Taiwanese attacking an old man!
lotiprata 3 years ago
read the argument before. piss off if you dont know any shit. dont come here and start shouting like a maddog again
changchih228 3 years ago
read the argument before. piss off if you dont know any shit. dont come here and start shouting like a maddog again
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
well, depending on where you live actually. Shanghai totally sucked for me, too polluted and no culture whatsoever. Nanjing (the old ROC capital) was just lovely, totally sexy. Totally worth a look.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Changchink, Kan lin laubu chau chibai. I hope I said it right. It's been many years since I learned Taiwanese.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
alright, you asked for it!
How is the "CJ system in U.S" "Corrupted, poorly enforced, for it only benefits the rich and upper class!"?
Cite specific court cases please!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Take up some CJ class or read some books on the American CJ system. Oh even better, consult your Bureau of Justice for some stats and facts. I'm sure they are accurate.
Grandelatte247 3 years ago
Grandchink, Fuck you, you chink. Your mother is a chink, your father is a chink, your country is Republic of Chink. Listen to this: Taiwan si Tiongkok e. Lin laubu e chau chibai ki ho lang gan.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
you defend cabbage, therefore you are just as nasty as a carrot.
See? i can talk nonsense too! Because it's a fairly easy thing to do.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
what the hell does that even mean? I see that simple reasoning, and common sense is not one of your strengths.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Except the very concept of the "university" came from the west. So, if you reject western eduction, you are implying that you are rejecting science and reason. Which makes perfect sense concerning all the things you have said.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
ever heard of "hypocrisy" or don't criticise others until you have got you own house in order. Or maybe let he who be without guilt cast the first stone
whytedog 3 years ago
what? what has that to do with anything? Explain the context please. Seriously, this came out of nowhere!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Grande, I visited HK recently. It is still an Asian Tiger. I saw plenty of Filipino maids roaming the streets. Like I said, you are just so full of hatred. God bless you.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
But you force Mongolians to live under Han centric rule and you force members of Uyghars, Mongolians, Uzbeks and Tibetans to go along with Han rituals such as the Yellow Emperor. Anyway just because people may be of a similiar ethnicity doesn't mean they automaitically need to united under the same state and political party. I mean if you subscribe to that theory you are beginning to sound like Adolf Hitler when he annexed Austria to begin the unification of all German speaking peoples
whytedog 3 years ago
Will i have an ax to grind with you too, sir! Why did the Mongols in the 13th century make Chinese wear those ugly looking hairdos? And why did the manchus of the Qing dynasty make Han Chinese wear queues? Don't even get me started on the clothe, man, it will make your eyes pop!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
saying a dictator kills is like saying babies poop. Thanks for the insight!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
it is true, that on internet forums, words can appear to be more angry than what it was originaly intended. That's the reason why you should measure your words carefully, when you type something, there is no consideration from you for the people might be reading it. It might really offend some people, and hurt others. Changchih is a good example, he says Chinese should be all killed, and "Greeks are superior than persians" etc, all that shit is not just ignorant, it's hurtful too.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
People need to read with an open-mind as well and to control their projection of anger in themselves onto the words of others. These words are cold. It is the matter of how you perceive them and your own interpretation of them.
Grandelatte247 3 years ago
Grande, The people from mainland and Taiwan on my campus were friends with each other. They spoke the same language, ate the same kind of foods, and even marry each other. I notice them arguing about politics from time to time (even between husbands and wives), but they were not hate mongers. Something about them make them stick together.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
4 died in China, and thousands and thousands got sick. I dunno, how many people died in Taiwan exactly?you seemed really pissed about it, so I would assume from your emotionally charged words, that hundreds and thousands of babies died of milk poisoning in Taiwan. Now, did it?
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
What you say might be true, if i lived my entire life in CHina, and kept reading Chinese newspapers. Except, I live in Seattle, and reads BBC, Seattle times. If anything, I am not reading any Chinese paper, so i am overly biased against the chinese!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
LOL, a high schooler knows that. People plagirez stuff from Wikipedia, and they hsould be punished for it. But, Wikipedia also contains FACTS, Statistics. Using their stats has nothing to do with plagiarism.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Grandelatte, so what are you going to do about unsafe products coming out of China? Are you just using it as a sticking point against China as a whole, against all Chinese people, against the "commies", against Mr. Ma, or what? What have you done in a positive way?
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
why? Speaking from someone who hasn't lived a day in China. Why should anyone even take anything you say seriously?
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Grandelatte, (do you like this nickname now?) I never said China is as developed everywhere else. In fact, there are poverties through out the Chinese heartland. Taiwan is more developed? Of course. China today is like Taiwan in the 80s when I first visited the island. I hope when I visit Taiwan again nest summer, I will still find down to earth and friendly people there. Not those with so much hatred.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
That's all? You are probably running out of meaningful things to say anyways. Can't blame ya, you never had a case in the first place!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
again, a low quality post. Not that you have had a "quality" post to begin with, but this is more of the same idiocy.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
I don't take mimicking as a reply.
Grandelatte247 3 years ago
that's subjective, you have good reason to dismiss the merits of my arguments. But, Hero, for one. I can say his "impartial", appreciated my contributions. So, dismissing the merits of my arguments for personal reasons is childish to say the least!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Grande, calm down. Control that anger of yours. What do you gain from so much hatred and anger. You hate the KMT, you hate the CPC, you hate China, you hate the Chinese. you basically hate your own kind so much that you are disassociating yourself from your ancestry. But alas, they are all around you, and sadly, you will have to live with it for the rest of your life.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
White Americans have their roots in Europe, so they should be returned to Europe? Sadly, Europeans despise the Americans who love claiming themselves that they are of Italian, Irish, whatever, descendents. White Americans are everywhere, Europeans don't see them as close to similar. Your ancestors had to migrate, for the better or worse. What do you know about my ancestry.
Grandelatte247 3 years ago
seriously, i don't know where these 2 got their anger from. Kind like how the Chinese youths hate the Japanese. completely irrational!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Mahler, perhaps they were sexually abused as a kid by their own father. Now they need something to vent their anger at. What do you think? Their anger is unbelievable.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
Don't project yourself onto me, and whoever else you're refering to. I dont need to know that you've been mistreated as a kid by your dad, it is unfortunate I understand. Would appreciate if you keep some privacy to yourselves please.
Grandelatte247 3 years ago
Grandelatte, "kan lin laubu chau chibai". I hope I say it right.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
Vidrienne, I don't blame you for getting frustrated. First, there was KMT, now there is the CPC. Chen didn't do a good job, but now Ma is getting too cozy with China. Tibet is not as bad as the media has portrayed, but that's another issue.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
Changchink, The real natives have no association with China. I agree. But people like you are children of immigrants from China who choose not to be Chinese for political reason. Why don't you focus on solving your problems with China instead of running away from reality. By denying you are not Chinese, you are not changing PRC's intention on claiming Taiwan. Stop sticking your head in the sand. Anyway, I feel your frustration and anger. May peace be with you.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
Grande, I travelled China just like how I travelled Taiwan. Don't assume I was forced to visit any particular place. Both places offer beautiful places and warm and friendly people. You are so full of anger and hatred.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
yeah, i don't know what language is "hot" or not. I just know that I am fluent in both. So, in case there are people who are bullshitting about America or China. I'll have something interesting to say.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
For one thing, I don't use the word "Negro", that term is still offensive here in America. So, i don't know who is the racist here.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
which one? I've never heard the term "ivy league equivalent". You are either in a ivy league school or you aren't. The fact is that you are just making up stuff as you go. I am guessing the University of I & B, "Ignorance and Bigotry". That's where you have been studying all these years, right?
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
why do you also presume the worst? Why not look forward to Hong Kong as an example? Grant it, they may not be as "free" as before, but people are exactly getting running over by tanks every day.
I fail to see that in a country that has approx 98% chinese, there will be frequent rebellions. Remember the Tibetans are ethnically DIFFERENT. of course, they are pissed under Chinese rule!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
see, this is what i don't understand. You say that you are "driven to the corner". Really? How? Even when the Cuban missile crisis happened, which everyone thought a war was about to break out. We didn't think that we were "driven to the corner". Instead, we relied on diplomatic talks to solve the crisis. Imagine what would happen, had we expelled, or beat up the soviet envoy?
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
if you have "nothing to say about this" then what is the all the crap i've been reading for the last couple days?
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Some good comments from MahlerTitan - thank you. Most comments along the lines of "all Chinese are... or all Americans are..." smack of racism or ignorance or a hate filled mind. However, that doesn't stop me criticising the Chinese communist party as an oppressive institution. I think the CCP should do the right thing and commit itself publicly and in law to a set timetable for moving to a democractic system, free press, seperation of power, even if the chosen horizon is 10 years.
Heroditusopus 3 years ago
Third question to my learned friend FuwaJJ (who I suspect will ignore the questions): why should ordinary Chinese not be able to vote for their leaders? Or at least, why should they not have a chance to vote on what kind of political system they want. Let's say a one time vote on whether to have the vote! Do you think they will say no thanks we do not want this right?
Heroditusopus 3 years ago
Second question for you FuwaJJ - what is the legitimacy of the Chinese communist party? They clearly have not been voted for by the population at large. So I assume the legitimacy is principally based on power and the threat of force, imprisonment. Do you agree?
Heroditusopus 3 years ago
I am glad the level of debate here is better than on many other Youtube vids. FuwaJJ appears to be a champion of dictatorship. I would be grateful if my friend could therefore outline the benefits of dictatorship (ie Chinese communist party rule) over democracy.
Let me help you start:
Stability..?
My response to that is that dictatorship is inherently less stable. Ie succession of leadership and implied by the need to have an army of secret police to keep a lid on ordinary citizens.
Heroditusopus 3 years ago
Grandelatte, please read my messages.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
The aborigines of Taiwan (very small minority) are related to the people of Borneo. They are liquistically, ethnically, and culturally related. They have darker skin and double-eyelid and like to use feathers and beads to decorate themselves. The used to live on the hills but now many have settled in the cities and intermary with the Chinese.
Those who claim to be Taiwanese these days and call the people of China "chinks" are not these aborigines.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
Changchih, Chiang was a ruthless dictator. He retreatred from China to Taiwan and quickly ruled Taiwan with iron fist. In the process, he masacred many local folks who have lived on the island for generations. Now, the PRC is claiming Taiwan. People like you feel being oppressed again (I don't blame you). But to be fair, the real natives of Taiwan are the guanchubin - Taiwan aborgines. Unless you are guanchubin, you are just the decendents of Chinese from Fujian province.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
wow, a that's not even a difficult question. I suppose that, if you don't even know that. You have no right of calling yourself an "expert" or even say things like "I know about China".
12 year old girls have no business talking to adults on youtube. At least when i was stumped by a question i don't go crying and deny the obvious by saying it's "irrelevant".
You believe in Jesus? Man, this is just gets better and better!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Mahler, I forgot to thank you for speaking on the side of Chinese people. I came here too because there are two Americans speaking for Chinese. I said I didn't like U.S government, which is the most powerful and yet most destructive force for the world, but I was not referring to half of the ordinary Americans. You guys are the only force that might change your government for the good, if not completely, a slight change will help many people from other nations.
FuwaJJ 3 years ago
Thanks but please don't touch on anger anyhow cuz its not worth it. The same for us all. Whatever happens outside is going the way it would be. It's good to know what others are thinking anyway. Peace.
FuwaJJ 3 years ago
Why dont you go change your government when your government is a tyranny. The US government allows democracy and liberty. What about your government. A complete change in your govenment will make the world progress in terms of civilisation.
changchih228 3 years ago
Fuwa, I had very different views of China until I visited China starting two years ago. The people in China were just like those in the US. Some of not happy with their gov, but many are. The Chinese cities are clean, safe, modern, interesting, and very efficient. I've been to Taiwan and China and just love them both. I wish peace will prevail.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
And where in china did you go?? Probably the major cities, namely shanghai, beijing. Clean?Safe? Fu lun gong members have been captured and tortured to death. Thanks to local corporates producing unsafe products for their benefits, babies have been murdered. The efficiency you speak of is indeed ironic.
Grandelatte247 3 years ago
Grande, do you really care about the people in China? Do you care about Falun Gong members? Do you care about their babies? No. You don't. You are only finding faults with whatever happens in that country and whatever they do. You have enormous anger in you. I wish you peace and happiness.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
I went to poor rural places as well as major cites. In my 10 years there, i went to a dirt poor town in the north of 盐城(in northern Jiangsu). It was so poor, they didn't even have bridge to connect the one village to the other. There are no longer any young men there, since they have all gone into cities to work as day laborers.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
No government in the world are without faults. THe people of the world, no matter what race, ethnicity, are essentially equal. It is unbearable for me to read words such as "we are superior than them, they are barbarians". Such words are venomous, and deeply evil. That's why i got involved, plus, I have great respect for the Chinese culture, and its people. I know better to distinguish their people from their ruling party, unlike some people here.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
You don't read simplified Chinese? But Chinese can read traditional Chinese or whatever language you call it. So Chang, you are a very local and closed Taiwanese. No wonder you didn't even like Chiang, who was a Wai Sheng Ren. You seemed to be a Nei Sheng Ren. Anyway, China is not going to change anything inside Taiwan. Status Quo or not, Taiwanese may live the way just as before.
FuwaJJ 3 years ago
No, I mean the life style and the voting system. Not the topic of sovereignty yet. Hongkong people don't feel much changes now though at first they doubted it a bit. The facts are ordinary citizens in HK and Macao just live the same way in daily life, even joining the Olympics as an independent team with its own flag. Well, I'll quit this for the moment. I just wish the good for both sides. No personal hatred.
FuwaJJ 3 years ago
Fuwa, last year I flew to HK, then took a ferry to Macao. After that I took the train from HK to SZ and GZ. It was my first trip to SZ and GZ. I was very surprised to see the lives in SZ and GZ. These four cities I visited are full of energy, entrepreneurship, and excitement. There is no difference whether they are in the mainland (under the "represive" dictatorship - like what foreigners like to label China)or they are under SAR. People were making money, partying, and enjoying life.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
My lord.... Hongkong people don't feel much changes now though at first they doubted it a bit. ???? Dude, people prefer saying they are from Hong Kong and not china. They think china downgrades them. Moreover, they are afraid of protesting because they might end up like the Tibetians!
Grandelatte247 3 years ago
That's actually very dispicable of them. Imagine what if HOng Kong become dirt poor? Who are they then? They will say they are "Chinese"? The minority of HOng KOng residents who behaves this way should by no means represent the majority opinion. YOu are again, generalizing anything and everything. Nice job, Dr. Fallacy
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
what the hell is nei sheng ren exactly? Trying to say ben sheng ren 本省人? lol Can't help laughing at your poor chinese seriously. There is only Taiwawnese, 台灣人. Your idea of Taiwan province no longer exists! Wake up!
Grandelatte247 3 years ago
if China ceded Taiwan to Japan in 1894, doesn't it imply that Taiwan WAS a part of China?
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
The Philippines was once part of the US, is it still?
to be. is is a present tense. was is the past tense. Taiwan WAS part of China suggesting its past. Taiwan is not part of China saying its current status.
changchih228 3 years ago
Big difference. Taiwan was forcefully taken away from China. While, U.S granted the independence of Philippines.
Taiwan WAS a part of China. That explains your culture, your language, your customs. But, one thing that still eludes me is why you hate your mother country so much? I'm China is still the mother nation to 98% of people in Taiwan. Right? Are you the very tiny 2% minority of natives? probably.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Forcefully? China ceded Taiwan through a treaty. Are you saying the all European are ethnically the same because they were all once ruled by the Roman Empire and then became independent states after that. For you have never been to Taiwan, you dont even know what is the culture of Taiwan. ie there is no way for you to compare both countries. ie your argument is invalid.
changchih228 3 years ago
Treaty? Do you anything about chinese history? Did you think the Treaty was something the CHinese people wanted? Why do you think the Qing Dynasty collapsed not soon after that? They were ceding Chinese Lands in "unequal" treaties, and this happened to one of them.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
A treaty is still a treaty. Unequal, equal treaties doesnt change the fact that they are still a treaty. Democracy didnt and doesnt exist in China. I dont think anyone would bother if that was what the barbarians wanted. The Ching Dynasty fell because they were corrupted and couldnt rule. Not becuase of the treaties they signed.
changchih228 3 years ago
Chang-chink, fuck you chink. You are a chink no matter how you look at you. The Japs call you chink, the whole world call you chink. The difference between the chinks on the mainland and chinks like you is that they have pride and you don't. You only have anger, hatred, and frustration. Fuck you.
aguswidjaja 3 years ago
Man, you never learn huh? Since when did being irrelevant throwing up random facts help you case in the first place? you can smear on CHina as much as you like, it still doesn't undermine the fact that you are just a little ignorant shit.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
no matter, i know them both.
During the warring states period, each of the seven states had their own currency:
State Qi once issued a knife called "節墨之法化"
where is the modern day "節墨" located?
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Shandong province
changchih228 3 years ago
LOL, you might as well reply "it's in China"! An idiot knows that the state of Qi was located in the modern day Shandong province. I am asking for a SPECIFIC city. You either know it or don't, you can google all day long if you want. But, only someone who knows ancient Chinese history, and language would know the answer. It is obvious that you don't, took you long enough just to figure out where the state of QI was. man, you've got no clue whatsoever!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
alright, seeing that he hasn't got a clue. I'll disclose to the world the answer:
節墨 or 节墨 is the modern day 即墨. It's very simple, the ancient Chinese simply writes it a differently than we do. It's the same, and the city still exists even after more than 2 thousand years.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Yes, for someone who claimed to have only read Machiavelli, Hobbes, and Plato. You are pretty darn confident about yourself eh? What did they about China? not much right? How can you know more about China than me? I have lived there for 12 years. and I'm not even sure that you are 12 years old!! what credentials do you have to permit you to boast like a clown about your so called "knowledge bout china". For one thing, you said "don't need to read any books about CHina". That explains a lot!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
"the law in Taiwan says the Taiwanese cannot attack random people on the street"
There you go, apology accepted!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
zhang wasn't a random individual on the street. He is a high profile political figure from chin. Therefore, he may be attacked. Period.
As shown in the video, watch it as many times as you wish.
Grandelatte247 3 years ago
I know that, an idiot can probably deduce just from the radical nature of your hatred for this individual. That, he probably said certain things that ticked people like you off. But, still, it doesn't justify violence. Nothing does. Like I said before, rely on the justice system, due process. I can't just go beat up an individual because hate him/her so much. The people could've protested around him, and swear at him, for all i care. but, the moment they hit him, they've violated common law.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Really? is that a challenge. When i was in china, people called me a "中国通. (someone who apparently knows a lot about China)
Let me ask you a simple question about Chinese culture and history, if you can answer it correctly, I'll concede that you know more about China than I am! Here is the question:
During the warring states period, each of the seven states had their own currency:
State Qi once issued a knife called "节墨之法化"
where is the modern day "节墨？
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
No Mahler, I know from the record you did have visited China. I was not talking about you, but those who are living closer to China.
FuwaJJ 3 years ago
i know that. But, thanks for speaking sense though. It seems that the ignorant and the deranged are running wild on youtube!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
No, it seemed you know little about China. It's a China you chose to believe. I'll quote what you said to agus - I was born in China raised up in China, what you know about China by reading second hand sources is almost nothing.
FuwaJJ 3 years ago
what college do you go to anyways? only 11 essays a year? LOL, I used to write that many in a quarter! you sure you are in college? I think you must be in middle school!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
that's all? That's a like a drop of water compared to mine, but I'll refrain from boasting my book collection.
Btw, no books on China? R u sure that you have never read "mein kampf"? The stuff you said early were awfully similar to that sort of rhetoric.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
You said yourself there is no law, or the notion of "lawfulness"? Aren't you contradicting yourself again?
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
No. An hour ago, I said we make law to protect ourselves. ie There is law for the Taiwanese. There is no law protecting that "envoy" ie theres no notion of lawfulness in that attack.
changchih228 3 years ago
since you claim that your law only works for Taiwanese. Do foreigners still go to your country? I mean, there is no law whatsoever protecting them! First of all, you have to be an "Envoy" to even qualify for the Vienna Convention, right? most tourists aren't "envoys" , are they? By that logic, they are not protected at all? so, you can basically steal/rape/rob them at your will?
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Glad to know that Taiwan has "no Law". Man, i should a plan a trip there, and just rob and take as much money as i can. hey! there is no law, or notion of "Lawfulness"!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Yeah come. I want to see you on the news being deported at the airport.
changchih228 3 years ago
I'm glad to know that your knowledge dervies from books! Now, every Wiki entry have citations of which scholarly books/articles they used; would you be so kind as to inform us of your sources? In other words, cite all the books that you read please! It must be a long list, but I am patient.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
what? I don't use wikipedia other than to find out about some facts. and, how does knowing the facts hurt me? Last time i checked, you haven't got any facts straight. Everything said by you came from something you pulled out of your ass.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
So, hypothetically speaking. If I accuse you of stealing something from me. Without the due process, I am allowed in your so called "democratic society" to beat the shit out of you?
So, there are places that Chinese can't go in Taiwan? Sounds awfully like the old racist southern states of U.S!!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
Your shit domestic judicial analogy is not applicable. This is International. There is law in Taiwan that says you cant attack people. There is no law saying you cant attack a Chinese/foreign "envoy" or an "envoy" of tyranny. ie people can do whatever they like on them and that is democracy. We make our laws to protect ourselves. That is democracy. We dont make laws to protec tyranny.
changchih228 3 years ago
who the fuck are you? Last time I checked, only the supreme court judges are the sole interpretors of laws. So, if there is any truth to your ridiculous response. It should've come from a judge, not you!
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
I am Taiwanese. Who the fucking shit are you? You dont even know any Taiwanese law. Go, go find mean a law in Taiwan that says attacking an "envoy" from a tyranny is illegal and unlawful. GO. Otherwise shut the fuck up.
changchih228 3 years ago
I bet it is also lawful in Taiwan to whack a bigot with a folding chair, right? There is no laws prohibiting that? Mr. Professor of law. Your "J.D" probably stands for "juvenile delinquency".
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
okay, you said Taiwan is a democracy. Well, democratic governments tend to have this thing called "LAWS". It's pretty much the basis for any well-run nation. I said: there is something called "Due Process", there is something called "universal rights". Apply that to your rhetoric, is it still "Lawful" to beat up someone? even if he/she is guilty of whatever he/she is accused of? What kind of civilized nation would permit this sort of "vigilantism"?
MahlerTitan 3 years ago
If no theres no law. Theres no notion of lawfulness. A law which would say the attack was illegitimate is the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. Unfortunately, because China refuses to recognise Taiwan. This Convention does not apply.
changchih228 3 years ago
and what does the "Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations" say about battery and assaults on foreign envoys? You are probably the wrong person to ask, since you brought it up. Please do tell.
MahlerTitan 3 years ago