Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
@mohinigirl they hv demonstrated a sequence ...thats not a real fight ...yr obsevations show that yr a di*k head ...in a demonstration uv got to look for the coordination n the locks n moves n not the kicks...cos they don kick to hurt the opponent.. simply cos its a demonstration dumb piece of Sh*t..only an AS* hole martial artist will post crap like u have ..i don even think u can kick a pad well...F**K U
1. Kung Fu predates shaolin: Spring and Autumn Annals of Wu and Yue, the Bibliographies in the Book of the Han Dynasty and the Records of the Grand Historian all document martial arts that predate Shaolin. A good example is Shuai Jiao, grappling martial art.
@mohinigirl ..Uhhh, the whole "legitimate martial arts"community cares. This is my only argument with you and the Kalaripayatu martial arts bullshit claim, nothing else. I really could careless that it is sloppy and uncoordinated with no technique.
@gbb357 The real martial artist that I know--he owns that are in control of their ego--dont care in the sense that you do--if you are a real martial artist at all--they are curious to know in a scientific interested way without anger. It does not matter in the end to them which came first. They are thankful that it came and they were able to learn it which ever style they choose or not.
@mohinigirl ..Ego has nothing to do with this issue. The Truth is what matters. If you're passionate about your art or any martial arts, then you should care about its history and what it is about. The fact that kalaripayatu is making such bullshit claim/lie/propaganda just to make a name for themselves, is a disgrace and an embarrassment.
@gbb357 ego has everything to do with it in your case. You are again missing the point. there are ways to dispute a claim without getting vulgar. You find your sources and do your research and show that you can actually hold an intelligent argument without personal attacks against an art you know nothing about. I care about the doing of a martial art, not about fluffing my feathers so I can feel " more superior" as you say.
@mohinigirl ..My vulgarity are just emotions & expressions, nothing personal to you. I have made my case many times with facts, angryaznman just showed it you with detailed historical facts, you responded by saying no one cares, is that an intelligent response, didn't think so. What you care doesn't matter just like what i care doesn't matter to you. What does matter is the truth and the historical facts. The fact is Kalaripayatu community have been spreading BS lies about Kung Fu & Kalaripayatu
@gbb357 Again the kalaripayattu community has not being spreding this rumor. The most important fact to a grounded martial artist is not which came first. Its the actual practice. It is should always and be about the actual practice not mine came first, and stop dreaming mine came first. Such silliness
@mohinigirl ...Never said that the most important part of martial arts is it's history, i simply said that it's important to know it's history and have that truth and respect that truth. The Kalaripayatu community have been spreading this rumor for quite a while now, again, there are plenty of videos here in youtube alone and many more articles in the internet as well.
@gbb357 The truth is not yet defined. just wishing something to be true does not make it so, or does being vulgar about it by the way. I will refrain from coming to a conclusion until further research is done.
@mohinigirl ...There's no need to come to any conclusion when there is nothing to question in the first place. Why make a false claim when there is no credible factual proof to back it up in the first place. And why make a claim to begin with, for no other reason than arrogance and egotism.
@gbb357 so there is no need to ask any questions? LOL why are you so paranoid anyways? If the its not true it will be proven by historians and researchers to be untrue end of story.
@mohinigirl ..I have no problem with questions, i have a problem with bullshit lies and bullshit claims. You do realize that they consider their claims to be facts, not a theory or speculation, but facts. That's the whole issue, they have no credible factual proof, just theories & speculation, and yet they make it sound like it's a conclusive facts.
@gbb357 again you are being paranoid, just cause a couple of people say something doesnt mean that OMG the whole world believes this now. Relax. truth wins out in the end. If it isnt true it will be disproven. it is healthy to ask questions and to question what you believe.
@mohinigirl ..OMG, ARE YOU ILLITERATE. THEY'RE NOT ASKING QUESTIONS, THEY'RE MAKING BULLSHIT CLAIMS AND OUTRIGHT LYING. THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
@gbb357 so, now you are taking digs at me. you are not very good with your words. Im replying to your statments, true Im not saying what you want to hear but the fact that im discussing--or at leas trying as far as that is possible with one such as yourself--means I can in fact read. So they have a hypothesis. if its not true it will be proven to be untrue.
@mohinigirl .. I'M TAKING JABS AT YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE PATRONIZING ME AND YOU'RE BEING CONDESCENDING WITH YOUR ANSWERS. I HONESTLY DON'T CARE WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH ME OR NOT, SO I'M NOT LOOKING FOR SOMETHING I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.
@gbb357 Where as you are rude, narrow minded and vulgar. Your mind is so totally incaple of grasping new ideas. I had never encountered such mental inflexibility before. it is astounding.
@mohinigirl ..I gave you an example before which was titled "Birthplace of Kung Fu: China? ", i'll give you another one, title is "Kickass Miracles - Dodgy Kalarippayattu". In the second video, the Guru actually said that Kalaripayatu is better & faster, pretty fucking arrogant, which really doesn't surprise me, seen that a lot in the Kalaripayatu community, sad & pathetic IMO.
@gbb357 One person is not a community. If I thought that way, then from your behavior I would think that all german people are vulgar and narrow minded.
@mohinigirl ..True, one person does not represent a community, but when you have several videos making the same lie/bullshit claim by the Guru themselves, and to make it worse, they make a tourist video about it, making the same lie/bullshit claim, and the people themselves believes it, spreads it, condones it, despite not have any credible factual proof, that pretty much represents the community. Not to mention they don't denounce it. And base on your responses, you're definitely part of it.
@gbb357 meh I think people have the right to ask questions. If the rumor is untrue it will die out and be proven by unbiased historians to be untrue. Im simply awaiting for this report before I come to a conclusion. It is the way you come to an unbiased educated opinion.
@mohinigirl ..Wow, your either lacking comprehension or don't understand English. Again, they're not asking questions, their making outright bullshit claims and lies. They have no factual credible proof, and yet they keep claiming their bullshit lies to be facts. What report are you waiting for, there's been many reports and research on this already, but all based on speculations/theory and tales, nothing more. And their conclusions is their bullshit lie and bullshit claim.
@gbb357 meh, what one person believes has nothing to do with the actual perfoming of the art. This is all I care about, the martial art itself. I care about training my body and tuning my mind. Using my mind to train my body to do things I never thought could be done. This is what I care about
@mohinigirl ...You're the one missing the point. MY ONLY ARGUMENT AND DISPUTE IS THE BULLSHIT LIES THAT THE KALARIPAYATU COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN SPREADING, PERIOD. The other stuff about how kalaripayatu is sloppy, uncoordinated, & no technique, these are just BONUS POINTS, just more proof that it has nothing to do with Kung Fu.
@mohinigirl ...Funny that you mention ego, because the only egotistic part of this issue is the kalaripayatu community, by claiming that their art is the mother of all martial arts, you can't get any more egotistic and arrogant than that. Especially when there's no credible factual proof and no similarities with any other martial arts, especially with Kung Fu. And to top it off, there's no technique, sloppy, & uncoordinated. Can't even execute a simple kick for fuck sakes.
@gbb357 The kalaripayattu community has made no such claim. There you go again with the mud slinging. It is a different kick executed differently cause.... its a different kick. There is nothing sloppy about it. It is fast and it is fluid. The martial artists from fight quest that have sampled several different arts around the world tried it--and mind you the did not see even a quarter of the different kicks--and found it engaging, powerful and unique.
@mohinigirl ..Yes they have, by not denouncing it, and by reciting it in many documentary videos about Kalaripayatu. One good example would be the video titled, "Birthplace of Kung Fu: China?" In the video, the master says "many historians believe that Kalaripayatu is the MOTHER OF ALL MARTIAL ARTS". Now that fucking egotistic.
@gbb357 The videos that I have looked at have not said that. Some people do believe that wether its wrong or right I cannot say. I dont think it has anything to do with being egotistical. The first thing you notice when you practice kalari payattu--in the case of the animal poses-- is that it is still very close to the way the actual animal move. Some people see the kung fu animal poses as more stylized and conclude that means it is further removed from the source.
@mohinigirl ..It has everything to do with ego, it's a proclamation, saying that they are the original, that they invented it or "THE MOTHER OF ALL MARTIAL ARTS" as they say a lot in plenty of the videos, i mean you can't get anymore egotistical than that. BTW, Everything in Kung Fu is stylish, hence the word "ART". Is it further removed, that's subjective, the animal movement in Kalaripayatu is not accurate at all IMO, but again, that's subjective.
@gbb357 I dont think that proves anything one way or another but I dont think it comes out of desire to feel superior to other arts--I dont think that coming up with something first cames you superior anyways--
@mohinigirl ..I know it's a different kick, it's a sloppy kick, again that epic flying kick at 7:12, WTF do you think you're going to with that kick, no height, no power, & telegraphed. Which brings me back to my point and the point of the original argument, this art has nothing to do with Kung Fu and does not have any resemblances at all. More than enough proof that in no way Kung Fu came from this crap, period.
@gbb357 well if you watched the episode of fight quest then you might have heard them say how this art is one of the most acrobatic arts in existance. You saw how high even the most basic kick is supposed to fly. If the kick lacked height is is not the fault of the art but of the practitioner. you are allowd to have your opinion about the art but again, vulgarity never proves a point
@mohinigirl ..Certain kicks are not meant to be high, but every kick must have an objective, a form and function. That epic "flying kick" didn't have either one. Again, where did that master think he was going to accomplish with that kick. You want to see acrobatic, try watching some of the Tae Kwon Do videos. They do 3 to 5 kicks breaking boards in one jump or flight, while spinning sometimes. I've seen one high flying kick in Kalaripayatu that uses a "CHEERLEADER KICK", wow, impressive. CONT..
@mohinigirl ..CONT, again, if you want to watch acrobatic kicks, watch the Korean Tigers, 3 to 5 kicks while in the air breaking boards, with form. To even say "one of the most acrobatic arts in existence" is quite laughable. Of course it's the practitioners fault when a move is not executed, but it's a basic kick for fuck sakes, nothing fancy. And those guys were the top practitioners that was put up against Dough & Jimmy.
@mohinigirl ..Based on those kicks in FIGHT QUEST, and based on all of the kicks i've seen here in youtube and in person, proves more that Kalaripayatu has nothing to do with Kung Fu or any other martial arts. Simply because the complete difference in FORM & FUNCTION. Again, compare the kicks from Tae Kwon Do which was directly derived from Kung Fu, just check out the TORNADO KICK, you can't even compare bcuz Kalari doesn't have it, or even the basic round house or flying kick, not even close.
@gbb357 You are failing to realize the point here my friend yet again. The kalaripayattu kicks are not supposed to follow the rules of another martial art. They are supposed to be high because thats how Kalaripayattu was designed. The function of a high kick is to increase reach. Increasing reach can provide a tactial advantage over your opponent. If your opponent is much taller than you a way to counter that is to increase your reach. There is more than one way to cook a goose
@mohinigirl ..I didn't say Kalaripayatu is supposed to follow other martial arts, im simply saying that it has no resemblance and has nothing to do with Kung Fu or any other martial arts. Tae Kwon Do have much higher and more functional and effective kicks. I gave you a great example with the Tornado Kick that doesn't exist in Kalaripayatu, unless they'll copy that too.
@gbb357 It is not a competition. Martial arts it not about who can throw the highest kick. that attitude is very juvenial. Taekando was distilled in the 1940's. People that insists that Kalaripayattu was not the source of shaolinquan--including your friend angryman-- insist this because they believe that kalaripayattu was invented around the 12th century, so unless the practitioners of the named tae kwon do had a time traveling machine it would have to be a no go LOL
@mohinigirl ...Uhh, your ignorance is overwhelming. Tae Kwon Do is directly derived from Kung Fu. Hence my reference and comparison. You obviously did not read angryaznman's post where he posted historical facts that Kung FU existed way before the 12th century and way before Bodi and even before Chuan. Read & learn. I didn't say it was a competition, i'm just showing you the differences and that Kalari has no resemblances with Kung fu or any other martial arts, are you dense or you can't read.
@gbb357 You acuse me of being condesending and patronizing you are rude, narrow minded and bulgar. If you were refering to kung fu you should have said kung fu. They are now as they stand very different arts. It is believed that humans and apes evolved from the same common ancestor but one would never say monkey when one means human LOL. I asked him to provide his citations to this fact he never answered back. Im not particularly concerned which came first. kalaripayattu is a unique martial art.
@fantasywriter1976 ...Again, if you don't care who came first, then we have nothing to discuss. If you''re one of those idiots that believe that bullshit claim made by the kalapariyatu community, then all i ask is to show some credible factual proof, guarantee you can't, period.
@gbb357 Now you are doing the exact samething that you are accusing other people of. There is not even myth of a chinese martial artist traveling to India. Critical thinking 101. When someone makes a claim of having proof of something they are required to provide that proof. He never responded to my request for his sources. If he does not provide the source of his statements and claims--since they are based on these sources-- his argument is invalid.
@fantasywriter1976 ...So because he hasn't responded that means it's not true, did you use the same logic with that bullshit lie from the kalaripayatu community, did you even question their bullshit lie, didn't think so. Do your realize your inconsistency and hypocrisy.
@gbb357 If you make a claim that you have proof about something but then fail to provide that proof your argument is disregarded, at least this is how it works in academic circles. You are the only incosistent one here
@mohinigirl ...And where is the proof from the Kalaripayatu community about this bullshit lie, there is none. So why are you being a hypocrite, why don't you use the same academic rules with them hypocrite.
@mohinigirl ..And angyaznman showed you credible sources & proof and you still disregard his post, who the fuck doesn't have any comprehension now, dumbass.
@fantasywriter1976 ..You want source, here it is. "Kalari TRUTH: Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
@gbb357 silly boy. you have to say where you got that information. Your word is not enough. This is why I have not made any claims one way or another. For me to say yes or no to one thing I would have to find primary sources, good primary sources. There is simply not enough research on the topic at the moment. I cant quite afford to travel to china or india to do research so I must settle for waiting for more research. Anything else is just gas and hot air
@mohinigirl ...You're not saying yes or no to the bullshit lie of the kalaripayatu community, but you easily disregard angryaznmans proof, and i did provided you a source where he got it from. Again your inconsistent and a hypocrite.
@mohinigirl ..Yes the function of a high kick is for reach, but in general it is not practical because it leaves you wide open. More importantly, why kick high when you can kick low much easier & much more practical, economical, and over all smarter offensively & defensively. When your fighting a much bigger guy, you don't aim high, you aim low where the bigger guy is much more vulnerable & more open & slower. That's just common sense, you don't need martial arts training for that. CONT.
@gbb357 You can do both you can aim high AND you can aim low. It never pays to be a one trick pony. It makes you predictable and thats the worst thing you can be in a fight. As a matter of fact there are a lot of low moving styles. My favorite kalaripayattu animal fighting style is actually boar style which is centered around sweeping low and grounded moves. You have to have more then one tool in your belt to be truly formidable. kalaripayattu tries to give you every possible tool there cool be
@mohinigirl ..Really, aim high & aim low, wow, you honestly think Kalaripayatu is the only one that has this, LOL, you're making me laugh. Ever heard of a double side kicks. Again, why do you need to kick high when you can simply kick low and your not vulnerable, think. And you want to talk about predictable, have you seen this video, are you fucking kidding me. If your tool is being sloppy, uncoordinated, telegraphed, and no technique, then yes, Kalaripayatu will give you all of the above.
@gbb357 I never said that Kalaripayattu is the only martial art that has this. if you always come in with low kicks your opponent will come to expect low kicks and be ready for you. Why would you kick high when you could kick low? To take your enemy by surprise. The martial artists from fight quest said that he was never sure which move would come next. Not Telegraped at all. You compared it to a dance, must not look so uncoordinated to you ha ha.
@mohinigirl ...EVERYTIME YOU KICK HIGH YOU LEAVE YOURSELF WIDE OPEN AND VULNERABLE. ALWAYS GO WITH THE HIGH PERCENTAGE MOVE AND THE SAFER MOVE. USE YOUR COMMON SENSE. YOU CAN FAKE HIGH BUT HIT LOW. DON'T GET ME WRONG, HIGH KICKS CAN WORK, IT'S JUST RISKY ESPECIALLY WHEN FIGHTING A BIGGER OPPONENT. IF THE KICKS WERE NOT TELEGRAPH IN FIGHT QUEST, THEN HOW COME DOUGH & JIMMY KEPT CATCHING THE KICKS AND TAKING THEM DOWN WITH EASE OVER & OVER, LIKE 5 TIMES. LOL. YES A DANCE, BUT BAD DANCING. LOL.
@gbb357 the safer move is not always be best move. doing the same safe move over and over is a sure way to get your butt kicked LOL. I mean if you are fighting someone who does not know how to fight, then its prob ok but if you are fighting another martial artist? no. The best move is to judge each second of the fight and use the appropiate move depending on the circumstance. fight with your mind so that your body follows. It can work. you have to access the risks and take them when appropiate
@mohinigirl ..I DIDN'T SAY USE THE SAME MOVE OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE MOVE YOU KNOW. THERE ARE PLENTY OF LOW AND MID STRIKES FOR BOTH KICKING AND PUNCHING. YOU GOT CHAMBER KICKS, TORNADO KICKS, SIDE KICKS, SPINNING KICKS, MID SECTION ROUND HOUSE KICKS, ETC, ETC. ALL HIGH PERCENTAGES KICKS AND LESS VULNERABLE AS WELL. BUT OF COURSE THESE ARE NOT KALARIPAYATU MOVES, THESE ARE REAL KICKS, NOT CHEERLEADING OR BALLET MOVES. LOL.
@gbb357 but if your always coming low you are infact using the same tecnique over and over gain. bad idea. attacking the same area over and over again? recipe for disaster if you are fighting an experienced martial artist
@mohinigirl ...WRONG! YOU'RE COMING AT MID AND LOW ON DIFFERENT ANGLES, HOW IS THAT A BAD IDEA. I NEVER SAID YOU CAN'T AIM HIGH OR AIM FOR THE HEAD, I'M SIMPLY SAYING THAT IT IS A LOW PERCENTAGE KICK & RISKY, BUT PARTICULARLY, THE KALARIPAYATU KICK IS RISKY AND USELESS. IF YOU HAVE A MUCH LARGER TARGET TO HIT WHICH IS THE BODY AND LEGS, WHY GO FOR THE HEAD WHEN IT'S HARDER TO HIT & THE STRIKES IS EASIER TO BLOCK. IT'S COMMON SENSE & YOU'RE PRETTY CLUELESS WHEN IT COMES TO BASIC FIGHTING.
@gbb357 because, you should never let your opponent which area you are going to attack. if you are always going for the same area over and over they will know in advance what area you are going for and be more able to protect it. hmm funny you should mention it, kalaripayattu was an art developed in time of war to fight other trained warriors. You are trained expecting that you are going to go up agaisnt a specialist. This requires specialized training.
@fantasywriter1976 also kalaripayattu aims all their strikes at vital points in the body. Kalaripayattu does not teach you to strike at random. See the thing about kalaripayattu is that the guru does not care how difficult a kick is, they mold your body to do it. There are other kicks that are aimed at the neck, chest solar plexus. You just have never seen those kicks before. This is why I keep trying to tell you that its a bad idea to make such generalized statements based on youtube videos.
@fantasywriter1976...Ahhhh, please enlighten me with those other kicks. FYI, there no such thing as a choreograph strikes in a real fight. In a real fight, everything is random, you can set up a combination and it can work, it's done in boxing all the time with success and in MMA as well or other specific martial arts fight like Muay Thai & Tae Kwon Do. But to teach not to strike at random, is just silly, stupid, & ignorant, & arrogant as well. You have a lot to learn, & so does your guru.
@gbb357 ha ha choreography. No, nothing is random in a real fight by true artists. Every movement has a purpose and an aim. if you strike at random at targets that wont give you what you are going after you waste a lot of energy. Tiring before your opponent will give him or her the win
@mohinigirl ..LOL, you obviously haven't been in any real fight, just like those kalaripayatu experts from Fight Quest when Dough & Jimmy embarrassed them repeatedly . Did you see how pathetic they where. Every movement does have a purpose and you're obviously aiming, but it's not choreograph, you deliver combinations, but it doesn't mean it's going to work, that's why your combinations have to be random at the moment of the fight, trust me, real fights are different.
@gbb357 and you have obviously never fought anyone that could actually fight. Another trained martial artist. saying such balogna as always go with the safe move and always go for the low area is the perfect way to get your ass kicked.
@mohinigirl ...Let me see you fight a MMA fighter, better yet, just watch an MMA fight, but it wouldn't make a difference, because you're too stupid to learn how it is in a real fight. See how they hit low first to break down their opponent in most MMA fights, and then they set them up for a head strike or any higher strike.
@fantasywriter1976 ...NEVER LET YOUR OPPONENT KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO ATTACK, HMMM, INTERESTING. I USUALLY TELL MY OPPONENT EXACTLY WHERE I'M GOING TO HIT HIM, WHEN, HOW, & WHY. TELL ME, DID THE KALARIPAYATU EXPERTS FROM FIGHT QUEST KNOW ABOUT THIS FIGHTING SECRET, BECAUSE DOUG & JIMMY EMBARRASSED THOSE EXPERTS WITH A SIMPLE TAKE DOWN AND BASIC KICKS. THOSE GUYS WERE EXPERTS IN KALARIPAYATU, DOUG & JIMMY DIDN'T STAND A CHANCE, ESPECIALLY AGAINST THE BALLET KICK & EPIC FLYING KICK, IMPRESSIVE.
@gbb357 when you hone your mind along with your body, amazing things--that are too difficult if all you are doing is training to throw random kicks and punches which is just brawling really--are within reach. You are right, Im not a brawler. Never said I was. I said I practice martial arts. A precise and highly technical skills where you dont necesarily go for the low hanging fruit.
@gbb357 LOL you are quite obssessed with ballet. are you a dancer? truly I cannot imagine you are a dancer. I dont think you have the capacity to be one. I dont know much dance not my kind of thing really. I like how you glace over everything, the sharp swords, the flexible swords the daggers. Also real martial artists paying respect to this art. Truly I dont think you are a real martial artist. maybe you took a class or too but your lack of awareness and battle strategy gives you away.
@mohinigirl ..Search "cheerleader kick" and you'll see the exact similarities with the kalaripayatu kick, it's uncanning. I haven't criticized anything about Kalaripayatu's weapon techniques, i actually said it's impressive. Lack of awarenes and battle strategy gives me away, did you see those kalaripayatu experts from fight quest, surely you would say the same thing about them, or are you going to be a hypocrite and inconsistent.
@gbb357 I dont want to search for cheerleader kicks. I see that you did not ask me to search for ballet kicks. I want you to tell me. I want to see your skills at work to be able to actually describe the move yourself. I mean if you cant even do that, there is no hope for you
@mohinigirl ..Okay, search for ballet kicks then, you'll get the same results, i'm sure i asked you to search for both, but whatever. Again, i already described it in details twice how a kalaripayatu kick is, in one word, retarded. More description, useless, sloppy, & uncoordinated.
@mohinigirl ..Here you go, check out this cheerleader routine tutorial, the kicks especially are completely exactly the same as Kalaripayatu kicks, it really is uncanning. LOL, enjoy, "Herkie Jump: Cheerleader Stunts, Stretches, Techniques Dance Moves, Cheer with Jennifer" & "Hurdlers: Cheerleader Stunts, Stretches, Techniques Dance Moves". There's more, let me know if you want more videos. LOL.
@gbb357 just saying that it looks like something else does not explain how you think it looks like it. I rest my case. You cant even do something that simple. describe how these two moves are alike LOL I knew it. Ever heard put it in your own words? know the purpose of that? to see if you actually understand what is going on which you clearly dont. :D
@mohinigirl ..Sure it does, that's part of how the kalaripayatu based their claim on. I just describe them to you with specifity, you couldn't even described that retarded spinning kick on this video either, you came up with something stupid that wasn't even remotely closed to that retarded kick. LOL!!!
@mohinigirl ..Here you go for the fucking third time, Kick your leg straight up forward in a swinging motion like a cheerleader or ballet kick, towards your face or forehead, done, you just executed a ballet kick/cheerleader kick/kalaripayatu kick. Any more questions:) Or you could also just watch the video examples i posted about cheerleaders, you obviously don't want to watch it because you know it's true and you're afraid of the truth. Just watch it and STFU.
@gbb357 Also most of the kalaripayattu strikes are meant to be killing blows. Thats why they go for the head and specific areas of the body, but since the head is a smaller target and requires more accuracy, you pay a lot of attention to it. if you can hit someone in the head you can kick them anywhere. call it accuracy practice. It does not mean that you will always go for the head. It is just training.
@fantasywriter1976 ..KALARIPAYATU STRIKES ARE MEANT TO BE KILLING BLOWS, REALLY? SO THE BALLET KICK IS A DEADLY KICK? YOU STILL CAN'T GET OVER THIS HEAD THING. FRIENDLY ADVISE, GO SPAR WITH ANOTHER MARTIAL ART PRACTITIONER OF A DIFFERENT ART, PREFERABLY MUAY THAI, BUT KARATE OR TAE KWON DO WOULD BE FINE. TRY THAT BALLET KICK TO THE HEAD AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS, I WISH I COULD SPAR WITH YOU, IF WE DID, YOU'LL NEVER USE THAT BALLET KICK EVER AGAIN, OR ANY HEAD KICK AT ALL, EVER.
@gbb357 Why are the high kicks shown in demos? cause its a demo? they are designed to show you what the art can train your body to do. The highest kicks very physically demaning. They show great flexibility and agility which are very highly prized in this art. It makes sense that the kicks that require the most flexibility and agility would be used in an art that places a lot of emphasis on speed, flexibility and agility
@mohinigirl ..CONT. It's called cutting down your opponent to your size. You don't try to fight a bigger guy to his size, you bring down the bigger guy to your size. Aim for the knees, the shin, the groin, or anything that is more vulnerable down low. Why the fuck would you try to hit a guy on his face at 6'5 and your 5'7, when his knees and groin is wide open. Again, that's just simple common sense. You're making this too easy for me and entertaining, but not in a complimentary way to you.
@gbb357 you never want to become a one trick pony. if all you can do is fight low then your opponent will be ready and waiting. The aim of the art is to demolish all physical barriers. so it has very high kicks and low kicks and medium level kicks. it has 12 different weapons as well as hand combat and lots of blocks. A graduate is also trained in herbal medicine, physical therapy--massage-- a well rounded art
@mohinigirl ..More proof of their arrogance & egotistic claim, they actually made a tourist video. And also check the epic "acrobatic kicks", LOL.. Here's the title : Kalaripayattu Part 1
@gbb357 so now having a high kick is a sign or arrogance? seriously friend you are clearly delusional. It is a way of increasing reach. This is very useful if you are a shorter person. It is good to have kicks that can reach any opponent no matter his size
@mohinigirl ...Having a high kick is not the arrogance, the Guru saying that "theirs" is faster and better is arrogant. Considering that the high kicks in Kalaripayatu are nothing but a "CHEERLEADER KICK' or "BALLET KICK" to call it better & faster is laughable. Not really affective or functional, because your hitting your opponent with your tip toes. If you do a high kick sideways, hitting with your foot blade, one of the hardest part of your foot, next to your heel, then that's effective.
you are contradicting yourself. Ballet is a very physcially demaning, technical and precise art. A few paragrahs ago you were saying that it was floppy and uncoordinated. It cant be both at the same time. Nothing more precise and coordinated then ballet LOL. Not all martial arts focus on speed. Some focus on power. Kalaripayattu focuses on speed and flexibility. it is very possible that it could be faster then others because that is what we train for
@mohinigirl ..Didn't say ballet or cheerleading is not physically challenging, demanding, or not technical. But it's not martial arts or self defense. Ballet or Cheerleading is not SLOPPY, KALARIPAYATU IS SLOPPY, UNCOORDINATED, & NO TECHNIQUE. MY COMPARISON IS ONLY WITH THE KICKS, AND THE KICKS IN BALLET & CHEERLEADING ARE BETTER. THE SLOPPY PART OF KALARIPAYATU IS THE ART IT SELF. MARTIAL ARTS CONSIST OF SPEED, FLEXIBILITY, & POWER. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT IT'S FASTER, BASE ON THE TECHNIQUE, NO.
@gbb357 but you just compared Kalaripayattu to ballet and cheerleading. When you say something is like something else it means they share similar qualities. Meh, again I point to the expert opinion that was provided in fightquest by actual martial artist. They expounded on the great flexiblity and diversity of this art. they commented on how fast it was. There is nothing sloppy about kalaripayattu.
@mohinigirl ..UHH NO. I COMPARED THEIR KICKS ONLY. THEY'RE SIMILAR, MEANING THAT KICK IS USELESS AND IT'S NOT MARTIAL ARTS OR SELF DEFENSE OR OFFENSE.
@gbb357 a ballet kick is not at all usless. it does what it is designed to do. Now you are taking digs at ballet? LOL a martial art is by definition any system of codified combat. You can defend with the blocks and attack with the kicks as well as the punches. also are you forgetting the very sharp swords and daggers, sticks, staves?? LOL
@mohinigirl ..BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A BALLET KICK, WTF DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND. I DIDN'T SAY BALLET IS MARTIAL ARTS, I SAID THAT KICK IS NOT MARTIAL ARTS. C'MON NOW, YOU CAN READ AND COMPREHEND.
@gbb357 well hey friend if you are not making any sense dont blame me for your confused arguments. so it looks like a ballet kick because its very high and flexible coordinated and yes even beautiful and so because it is flexible beautiful and coordinated then it cannot be a martial art? if you get hit in the face by one of those kicks it will still damage you even if it is very fluid as well as beautiful and elegant
@mohinigirl ...DIDN'T SAY FLEXIBILITY AND COORDINATION IS NOT MARTIAL ARTS, I'M SIMPLY SAYING THAT A BALLET KICK IS NOT REALLY A MARTIAL ARTS KICK OR AN OFFENSIVE STRIKE, ITS GOOD FOR STRETCHING. I'M ALSO JUST SAYING THAT KALARIPAYATU IS SLOPPY, UNCOORDINATED, & HAS NO TECHNIQUE. YOU HAVE TO BE PRETTY STUPID & IN CATATONIC FOR YOU TO GET HIT BY A BALLET KICK JON THE HEAD, YOU'LL GET HIT IN THE GROIN FIRST.
@gbb357 first you said it was uncoordinated, then you said it was like ballet then you said that it was not like ballet well if its not like ballet then why bring it up at all? such contradictions and such a clouded mind.
@mohinigirl ..I SAID IT'S SIMILAR TO A BALLET OR CHEERLEADERS KICKS, I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS AS GOOD OR AS COORDINATED AS BALLET OR CHEERLEADERS KICKS. GET IT NOW.
@gbb357 if you attack the same area every time your enemy will know what he has to defend and has more time to plan a counterstrike.. it is very coordinated. The feats they do could not be possible without coordination. all parts of the body must work in harmony for these kicks--specially the very acrobatic ones--to be completed. I dont have any experience with ballet and with cheerleading, perphaps you were in ballet classes and part of a cheerleading squad. They are not really my kind of thing
@fantasywriter1976...OMG, again who said you're attacking the same are, are you really that stupid or you can't read. I gave you at least 4 type of kicks that are aimed at the mid & low section of your whole body & legs & each with multiple targets. Mid round house, ribs& knees. Frond kick ,chest, stomach, or groin area. Multiple side kicks, shin, knees, & stomach. Spinning kick, chest,stomach, & groin. Each of these kicks can target the head as well, but it's riskier & longer to reach..CONT
@gbb357 no the stupid one here is you. You dont realize how badly you give yourself away. you dont actually have a nack for battle strategy from the way you speak that or have never had any training or possibly worst of all attend one of those watered down schools that mascarade for martial arts schools in the west. It is good to have as many different tools as possible. are you always going to come in super high and jumping? no. Kalaripayattu has kicks to all these different levels.
@mohinigirl ..Please show me the different levels of kicks from kalaripayatu, i beg you. Have i mention the pathetic kicks from the kalaripayatu experts from fight quest, yeah they definitely took it to another level, the retarded level. Check out the epic retarded flying kick again at 7:12, definitely different level. LOL!!!
@gbb357 the only retard here is you. You think they can possibly cram every kick into a little 45 min episode? specially since when they started showing them the basic kicks they could not do them so they had to move on to other things? they gave them some basic stuff to use in a demo. and a demo is all this is
@mohinigirl ...Wow, are you fucking stupid, WTF are you talking about that they started showing them the basic kicks, i'm talking about the retarded kicks from the kalaripayatu experts during the fight. What part of that you don't understand that i've been repeating for the past 12 pages, LOL. Again, cue retarded flying kick on 7:12 and all of the other retarded kicks that Doug & Jimmy kept catching & taking the retarded kalaripayatu experts with a simple take down & leg sweep, over & over again
@gbb357 When you are figthing someone who is at least at your own level, catching them by surprise can mean end of the fight. every martial art there has flying kicks, and if Kalaripayattus are higher then others its just part of the training. sometimes you have to take risky moves--this really becomes more important when you are at a draw in a fight--this can come in quite handy. This is something that falls in the region of battle strategy which we have ascertained you are rather lacking in
@mohinigirl ..Hahaha, you make me laugh, kalaripayatus kicks are higher, are you fucking serious. Check out Tae kwon do kicks when they do 3 to 5 kicks while in the air breaking boards with each kick while in the air. Please, seriously, educate yourself before you speak, they're all over the internet & especially here in youtube.
@mohinigirl ..Check out Bren Foster, black belt in Tae Kwon Do. Title "Bren Foster Tribute" and you'll see how fast and high a proper executed kick should be, not ballet kicks or cheerleader kicks like kalaripayatu kicks. Check out "Taekwon-do Flying Kick Practice" for real flying kicks. Check out "Taekwondo - fly kick " for real acrobatic kicks. Check out "Show de los Korean Tigers" or any Korean Tiger videos for multiple kicks & flying kicks and precision coordinated fights & demos.
@mohinigirl ..I forgot to mention precision techniques and masterful technicians. Not fucking sloppy and you won't see them throwing themselves to their opponents and their opponents catching them. NO pathetic flying kicks or pathetic basic simple kicks that a 5yr old should be able to do.
@gbb357 Oh please the only sloppy thing here is your thinking process. I dont even mention your analytical skills because you dont have any. Im sure he does a good and proper kick in taekwondo. How he performs a kick in taekwando is irelevant since we are talking about a different martial art. You keep repeating the same thing over and over but are unable to say how kalaripayattu kick is how like ballet--your lack of analytical skills at work--cant even analyze a move and brake it down
@mohinigirl ...I did describe to you why the kalari kick is exactly like a ballet kick, you obviously missed it or can't read. Kick your leg straight up in a swinging motion like a ballet kick, towards your forehead, done, you just executed a ballet kick/cheerleader kick/kalaripayatu kick. Again, any more questions. I keep comparing Tae Kwon Do kicks because it's a directly derivved from Kung Fu, & to show proof that there are no similarities at all with Kalaripayatu, WTF, can't comprehend that.
@gbb357 So please if you cant even do that much, analyze a move and brake it down into how its done you have no say in this conversation. A martial artist that cant break down a move is like a mechanic that does not know which parts do what in a car. A mechanic not at all.The fact that your sluggish brain cant comprehend the fact that there is more then one way to do something is totally and profoundly atonishing. trying to have a resonable discussion with you is like talking to a tape recorder
@mohinigirl ..Analyze a move, just like you analyze that retarded spinning kick on this video, c'mon be honest and do be stupid. There was no mechanics with that kick, the idiot on this video just spun out of control without any target hoping to hit something. LOL, please, you're reaching and it's show, quite pathetic really. Just stop.
@fantasywriter1976 ..CONT, LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU AGAIN & USE YOUR COMMON SENSE. WHEN YOU AIM FOR THE HEAD, IT'S RISKIER THAN AIMING FOR THE BODY OR LEGS BECAUSE IT'S A SMALLER TARGET, HARDER TO REACH, MORE TELEGRAPHED STRIKE, EASIER TO BLOCK, & LEAVES YOU WIDE OPEN & VULNERABLE. IT'S PHYSICS. I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T AIM FOR THE HEAD, GO LOOK UP "CRO-COP" & YOU'LL SEE THAT HE'S FAMOUS FOR HIS KNOCKING OUT HIS OPPONENTS WITH A ROUND HOUSE KICK TO THE HEAD. HE'S THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE...CONT
@fantasywriter1976..THE BIG DIFFERENCE WITH A ROUND HOUSE KICK AND THE BALLET KICK FROM KALARIPAYATU, IS THAT YOU CAN FAKE A ROUND HOUSE KICK TO THE HEAD OR THE MID SECTION. THE BALLET KICK IS USELESS, PERIOD. WTF ARE YOU AIMING FOR. THERE'S NOTHING ACROBATIC ABOUT IT. IT'S THE EXACT KICK THAT BALLET & CHEERLEADERS USE. IT'S TELEGRAPHED AND THE OPPONENT HAS TO BE STICKING OUT HIS CHIN REALLY CLOSE TO YOU FOR YOU TO HIT HIM. IT IS GOOD FOR STRETCHING, THAT'S IT..CONT.
@gbb357 what makes it a ballet kick, care to elaborate? have you ever actually seen ballet? You know I think you have not. and going for the same low area--as you kept hollering about before you backpedaled--is not? LOL you silly thing. All kicks stretch the leg muscles. if you dont stretch your leg muscles there is no kick
@mohinigirl ..What makes a ballet kick is kicking your leg straight up to touch your forehead rendering it useless in a fight, hence the kalaripayatu kick/ballet kick/cheerleader kick. Any more questions?
@mohinigirl you are right. i dont either. that isnt why i posted this. its for dumbasses who for some strange reason think kung fu came from this when INDIAN HISTORIANS say otherwise.
@mohinigirl first, that there is a clear distinction between kalari and kalari payatu. kalari schools of learning is an old tradition. but there were many topics, including math and science. the fight schools, kalari payatu, didnt come until later.
the western indian leading expert on this, Phillip Zarrilli, says 12th century. the indian historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai says 11th century during war between chola and cheras. he was born in kerala btw.
@angryaznman As far as my master has translated kalari, it means gym or dojo. I do not know this place to be used as a place of learning other topics. I will ask him as he is a native of Kerala. Can you please provide citations for both these sources?
2. Shaolin kung fu predates bodhi: The 2 men who became the VERY FIRST Shaolin monks were ALREADY experts in kung fu. Shaolin kung fu came from them. ("History of Chinese Martial arts: Jin Dynasty to the Period of Disunity") Also, they found weapons in the monestaries of Chang'an. ("Martial arts Myths of Shaolin Monastery, Part I: The Giant with the Flaming Staff") Suggesting the monks already practiced martial arts.
3. Creation of 5 animal kung fu styles is documented, NO BODHI: Jueyuan was a master of the 18 Luohan Hands. the original 18 techniques of Shaolin. He expand to 72, but wanted to do more. He travel to Gansu Province to the city of Lanzhou and met Li Sou. He was a master of Hong Quan. they work with Bai YuFeng and expand the 72 techniques to around 170. Those 170 techniques were than divided into the 5 animal forms.
4. The ONE place that credits bodhi is discredited: ONLY the PREFACE of the 1800s VERSION of the Yijin Jing mentions Bodhi with kung fu at all. Historians (like Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi) discredit this preface because it is FULL of INACCURACIES. Even getting the Emperor Reigns wrong.
5. The painting in Shaolin does NOT depict bodhi teaching shaolin monks. It actually only shows many shades of monks, all wearing Chinese clothes, practicing kung fu. Leave it to dreamers to think anyone who is a shade darker than light is Indian. Even if they were, no indication whatsoever about bodhi. PLUS the painting was done a THOUSAND years after bodhi’s time. It CANNOT be used as an indication of the past.
6. Sinews Changing Classic: Scholars disregard this preface because it has many anachronistic mistakes and the fact that popular fictional characters from Chinese literature, including the "Bushy Bearded Hero" (虬髯客), are listed as lineage masters. In fact, Ling Tinkang (1757-1809), a SCHOLAR of the QING Dynasty, described the author (Li Jing) as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
7. So in conclusion, there was kung fu before shaolin. There was shaolin kung fu before bodhi. The creation of the animal styles is documented, no bodhi. The one source that credits bodhi is faulty and the author of that one preface was viewed as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
Also just as an FYI this is only a demonstration of single bladed knife fight and different blocks effective in a knife fight. This is a very very small part of the art. There are 12 different weapons each with its own unique fighting style. There is also bare handed combat. and yes there is also sword and shield combat. Kalari rocks :D
@mohinigirl ...I have to admit, some of the weapons display i've seen like the flexible swords and the regular swords demos were pretty good, actually impressive. But not this one. And their hand to hand displays, especially the kicks, put this way, a three year old can do better.
@gbb357 Ok so you dont like one style out of many and that makes the art stupid and useless? This is what you have been hollering about how Kalaripayattu is useless and stupid. You need to to a real conclusion based on your own stated observations
@mohinigirl ..Seeing is believing. If you don't see how uncoordinated & sloppy it is on this video which is the same as 99.9% of the videos of kalaripayatu here in youtube, then i have nothing else to say other than you're blind & in denial. BTW, i never said that it's useless & stupid, just sloppy, uncoordinate, & no technique. It's a fact based on all the videos here in youtube, all of them.
@gbb357 it is I agree. thats why I found a good teacher. I learn in person not from TV ;) oh and thanks for bringing fightquest to my attention. watching it now. Im not one much for watching TV actually
@mohinigirl ...Good, watch the epic flying kick at 7:16 and see how pathetic it is. Also, see how Doug & Jimmy owned those guys with simple take downs that they couldn't defend over and over, must have been at least 5 take downs that Doug or Jimmy executed over and over again.
@gbb357 Also thanks for pointing me to that fight quest episode. did you miss where he said that the way the fighters move is confusing to him and he cant tell where the next move is coming from? This is coming from real experts that make it their business to go around and learn different arts--and like real martial artists--afford each art the respect they desserve
@mohinigirl ...The object of fighting in general, is to confuse your opponent and not telegraph your moves. Especially in martial arts, you don't know where it's coming from and what strike. You're obviously still in denial due to the fact that every move during that fight was telegraph, that's why Dough & Jimmy kept catching those pathetic kicks and kept taking those guys down, over & over again. Again, watch all the pathetic kicks especially at 7:16.
@mohinigirl ...LOL!!! That's why Dough & Jimmy owned those guys and kept taking them down with those pathetic kicks, hahahaha. BTW, i'm talking about the Kalari masters, not Doug & Jimmy. Doug & Jimmy executed their kicks very well, with form and function, not sloppy & uncoordinated like their opponents. LOL.
@gbb357 no, their kicks were slow and clumsy. they recognized it themselves. I think you are confusing speed and flexibility with sloppy. meh again Im going to go with the stated opinions of the real specialists here that stated the art is very unique and intricate and requires special focus and training. thanks again <3
@mohinigirl ...You're telling me that flying kick at 7:16 is not sloppy just like the rest, okay then, if denial is the best you can do, by all means do so. You are correct, it is quite unique to see a martial art that is sloppy, uncoordinated and no technique. LOL.
@gbb357 meh. Again, I point to the EXPERT opinion that you so kindly provided. They stated that the art is special and powerful. They are true martial artists and able to understand the real applications of this art. thanks again. The fights are fast and they are real, no possing to get the perfect angle for the camera.
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Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
angryaznman 4 months ago
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Kalari TRUTH:
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
angryaznman 4 months ago
@mohinigirl they hv demonstrated a sequence ...thats not a real fight ...yr obsevations show that yr a di*k head ...in a demonstration uv got to look for the coordination n the locks n moves n not the kicks...cos they don kick to hurt the opponent.. simply cos its a demonstration dumb piece of Sh*t..only an AS* hole martial artist will post crap like u have ..i don even think u can kick a pad well...F**K U
prince24mathew 5 months ago
What is this kind of gay ass butt raping style ?
baasbovenbaass 5 months ago
@baasbovenbaass hey dick head do u want a real fight with them then go to kalari artist then they will teach u a lesson
sebinxavier 3 months ago
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No thanks I don't wanna have a lesson from one of these guys,that makes me a bad fighter.
baasbovenbaass 3 months ago
More kicks that kalaripayatu doesn't have and has no resemblances what so ever.
Title 'Martial Arts Tricking : 540 Kick Tutorial ( 2010 )". Proof that it has nothing to do with any Martial Arts epecially kung fu, period.
gbb357 5 months ago
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gbb357 5 months ago
Pure Facts that destroy delusional dreamers:
1. Kung Fu predates shaolin: Spring and Autumn Annals of Wu and Yue, the Bibliographies in the Book of the Han Dynasty and the Records of the Grand Historian all document martial arts that predate Shaolin. A good example is Shuai Jiao, grappling martial art.
angryaznman 6 months ago
@angryaznman give it up angry guy, no one cares which came first
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..Uhhh, the whole "legitimate martial arts"community cares. This is my only argument with you and the Kalaripayatu martial arts bullshit claim, nothing else. I really could careless that it is sloppy and uncoordinated with no technique.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 The real martial artist that I know--he owns that are in control of their ego--dont care in the sense that you do--if you are a real martial artist at all--they are curious to know in a scientific interested way without anger. It does not matter in the end to them which came first. They are thankful that it came and they were able to learn it which ever style they choose or not.
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..Ego has nothing to do with this issue. The Truth is what matters. If you're passionate about your art or any martial arts, then you should care about its history and what it is about. The fact that kalaripayatu is making such bullshit claim/lie/propaganda just to make a name for themselves, is a disgrace and an embarrassment.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 ego has everything to do with it in your case. You are again missing the point. there are ways to dispute a claim without getting vulgar. You find your sources and do your research and show that you can actually hold an intelligent argument without personal attacks against an art you know nothing about. I care about the doing of a martial art, not about fluffing my feathers so I can feel " more superior" as you say.
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..My vulgarity are just emotions & expressions, nothing personal to you. I have made my case many times with facts, angryaznman just showed it you with detailed historical facts, you responded by saying no one cares, is that an intelligent response, didn't think so. What you care doesn't matter just like what i care doesn't matter to you. What does matter is the truth and the historical facts. The fact is Kalaripayatu community have been spreading BS lies about Kung Fu & Kalaripayatu
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 Again the kalaripayattu community has not being spreding this rumor. The most important fact to a grounded martial artist is not which came first. Its the actual practice. It is should always and be about the actual practice not mine came first, and stop dreaming mine came first. Such silliness
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ...Never said that the most important part of martial arts is it's history, i simply said that it's important to know it's history and have that truth and respect that truth. The Kalaripayatu community have been spreading this rumor for quite a while now, again, there are plenty of videos here in youtube alone and many more articles in the internet as well.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 The truth is not yet defined. just wishing something to be true does not make it so, or does being vulgar about it by the way. I will refrain from coming to a conclusion until further research is done.
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ...There's no need to come to any conclusion when there is nothing to question in the first place. Why make a false claim when there is no credible factual proof to back it up in the first place. And why make a claim to begin with, for no other reason than arrogance and egotism.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 so there is no need to ask any questions? LOL why are you so paranoid anyways? If the its not true it will be proven by historians and researchers to be untrue end of story.
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..I have no problem with questions, i have a problem with bullshit lies and bullshit claims. You do realize that they consider their claims to be facts, not a theory or speculation, but facts. That's the whole issue, they have no credible factual proof, just theories & speculation, and yet they make it sound like it's a conclusive facts.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 again you are being paranoid, just cause a couple of people say something doesnt mean that OMG the whole world believes this now. Relax. truth wins out in the end. If it isnt true it will be disproven. it is healthy to ask questions and to question what you believe.
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..OMG, ARE YOU ILLITERATE. THEY'RE NOT ASKING QUESTIONS, THEY'RE MAKING BULLSHIT CLAIMS AND OUTRIGHT LYING. THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 so, now you are taking digs at me. you are not very good with your words. Im replying to your statments, true Im not saying what you want to hear but the fact that im discussing--or at leas trying as far as that is possible with one such as yourself--means I can in fact read. So they have a hypothesis. if its not true it will be proven to be untrue.
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl .. I'M TAKING JABS AT YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE PATRONIZING ME AND YOU'RE BEING CONDESCENDING WITH YOUR ANSWERS. I HONESTLY DON'T CARE WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH ME OR NOT, SO I'M NOT LOOKING FOR SOMETHING I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 Where as you are rude, narrow minded and vulgar. Your mind is so totally incaple of grasping new ideas. I had never encountered such mental inflexibility before. it is astounding.
fantasywriter1976 5 months ago
@mohinigirl ..I gave you an example before which was titled "Birthplace of Kung Fu: China? ", i'll give you another one, title is "Kickass Miracles - Dodgy Kalarippayattu". In the second video, the Guru actually said that Kalaripayatu is better & faster, pretty fucking arrogant, which really doesn't surprise me, seen that a lot in the Kalaripayatu community, sad & pathetic IMO.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 One person is not a community. If I thought that way, then from your behavior I would think that all german people are vulgar and narrow minded.
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..True, one person does not represent a community, but when you have several videos making the same lie/bullshit claim by the Guru themselves, and to make it worse, they make a tourist video about it, making the same lie/bullshit claim, and the people themselves believes it, spreads it, condones it, despite not have any credible factual proof, that pretty much represents the community. Not to mention they don't denounce it. And base on your responses, you're definitely part of it.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 meh I think people have the right to ask questions. If the rumor is untrue it will die out and be proven by unbiased historians to be untrue. Im simply awaiting for this report before I come to a conclusion. It is the way you come to an unbiased educated opinion.
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..Wow, your either lacking comprehension or don't understand English. Again, they're not asking questions, their making outright bullshit claims and lies. They have no factual credible proof, and yet they keep claiming their bullshit lies to be facts. What report are you waiting for, there's been many reports and research on this already, but all based on speculations/theory and tales, nothing more. And their conclusions is their bullshit lie and bullshit claim.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 meh, what one person believes has nothing to do with the actual perfoming of the art. This is all I care about, the martial art itself. I care about training my body and tuning my mind. Using my mind to train my body to do things I never thought could be done. This is what I care about
mohinigirl 6 months ago
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gbb357 6 months ago
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@mohinigirl ...You're the one missing the point. MY ONLY ARGUMENT AND DISPUTE IS THE BULLSHIT LIES THAT THE KALARIPAYATU COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN SPREADING, PERIOD. The other stuff about how kalaripayatu is sloppy, uncoordinated, & no technique, these are just BONUS POINTS, just more proof that it has nothing to do with Kung Fu.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 vulgarity never proves a point
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ...Funny that you mention ego, because the only egotistic part of this issue is the kalaripayatu community, by claiming that their art is the mother of all martial arts, you can't get any more egotistic and arrogant than that. Especially when there's no credible factual proof and no similarities with any other martial arts, especially with Kung Fu. And to top it off, there's no technique, sloppy, & uncoordinated. Can't even execute a simple kick for fuck sakes.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 The kalaripayattu community has made no such claim. There you go again with the mud slinging. It is a different kick executed differently cause.... its a different kick. There is nothing sloppy about it. It is fast and it is fluid. The martial artists from fight quest that have sampled several different arts around the world tried it--and mind you the did not see even a quarter of the different kicks--and found it engaging, powerful and unique.
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..Yes they have, by not denouncing it, and by reciting it in many documentary videos about Kalaripayatu. One good example would be the video titled, "Birthplace of Kung Fu: China?" In the video, the master says "many historians believe that Kalaripayatu is the MOTHER OF ALL MARTIAL ARTS". Now that fucking egotistic.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 The videos that I have looked at have not said that. Some people do believe that wether its wrong or right I cannot say. I dont think it has anything to do with being egotistical. The first thing you notice when you practice kalari payattu--in the case of the animal poses-- is that it is still very close to the way the actual animal move. Some people see the kung fu animal poses as more stylized and conclude that means it is further removed from the source.
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..It has everything to do with ego, it's a proclamation, saying that they are the original, that they invented it or "THE MOTHER OF ALL MARTIAL ARTS" as they say a lot in plenty of the videos, i mean you can't get anymore egotistical than that. BTW, Everything in Kung Fu is stylish, hence the word "ART". Is it further removed, that's subjective, the animal movement in Kalaripayatu is not accurate at all IMO, but again, that's subjective.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 I dont think that proves anything one way or another but I dont think it comes out of desire to feel superior to other arts--I dont think that coming up with something first cames you superior anyways--
mohinigirl 6 months ago
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gbb357 6 months ago
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@mohinigirl ..I know it's a different kick, it's a sloppy kick, again that epic flying kick at 7:12, WTF do you think you're going to with that kick, no height, no power, & telegraphed. Which brings me back to my point and the point of the original argument, this art has nothing to do with Kung Fu and does not have any resemblances at all. More than enough proof that in no way Kung Fu came from this crap, period.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 well if you watched the episode of fight quest then you might have heard them say how this art is one of the most acrobatic arts in existance. You saw how high even the most basic kick is supposed to fly. If the kick lacked height is is not the fault of the art but of the practitioner. you are allowd to have your opinion about the art but again, vulgarity never proves a point
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..Certain kicks are not meant to be high, but every kick must have an objective, a form and function. That epic "flying kick" didn't have either one. Again, where did that master think he was going to accomplish with that kick. You want to see acrobatic, try watching some of the Tae Kwon Do videos. They do 3 to 5 kicks breaking boards in one jump or flight, while spinning sometimes. I've seen one high flying kick in Kalaripayatu that uses a "CHEERLEADER KICK", wow, impressive. CONT..
gbb357 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..CONT, again, if you want to watch acrobatic kicks, watch the Korean Tigers, 3 to 5 kicks while in the air breaking boards, with form. To even say "one of the most acrobatic arts in existence" is quite laughable. Of course it's the practitioners fault when a move is not executed, but it's a basic kick for fuck sakes, nothing fancy. And those guys were the top practitioners that was put up against Dough & Jimmy.
gbb357 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..Based on those kicks in FIGHT QUEST, and based on all of the kicks i've seen here in youtube and in person, proves more that Kalaripayatu has nothing to do with Kung Fu or any other martial arts. Simply because the complete difference in FORM & FUNCTION. Again, compare the kicks from Tae Kwon Do which was directly derived from Kung Fu, just check out the TORNADO KICK, you can't even compare bcuz Kalari doesn't have it, or even the basic round house or flying kick, not even close.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 You are failing to realize the point here my friend yet again. The kalaripayattu kicks are not supposed to follow the rules of another martial art. They are supposed to be high because thats how Kalaripayattu was designed. The function of a high kick is to increase reach. Increasing reach can provide a tactial advantage over your opponent. If your opponent is much taller than you a way to counter that is to increase your reach. There is more than one way to cook a goose
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..I didn't say Kalaripayatu is supposed to follow other martial arts, im simply saying that it has no resemblance and has nothing to do with Kung Fu or any other martial arts. Tae Kwon Do have much higher and more functional and effective kicks. I gave you a great example with the Tornado Kick that doesn't exist in Kalaripayatu, unless they'll copy that too.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 It is not a competition. Martial arts it not about who can throw the highest kick. that attitude is very juvenial. Taekando was distilled in the 1940's. People that insists that Kalaripayattu was not the source of shaolinquan--including your friend angryman-- insist this because they believe that kalaripayattu was invented around the 12th century, so unless the practitioners of the named tae kwon do had a time traveling machine it would have to be a no go LOL
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ...Uhh, your ignorance is overwhelming. Tae Kwon Do is directly derived from Kung Fu. Hence my reference and comparison. You obviously did not read angryaznman's post where he posted historical facts that Kung FU existed way before the 12th century and way before Bodi and even before Chuan. Read & learn. I didn't say it was a competition, i'm just showing you the differences and that Kalari has no resemblances with Kung fu or any other martial arts, are you dense or you can't read.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 You acuse me of being condesending and patronizing you are rude, narrow minded and bulgar. If you were refering to kung fu you should have said kung fu. They are now as they stand very different arts. It is believed that humans and apes evolved from the same common ancestor but one would never say monkey when one means human LOL. I asked him to provide his citations to this fact he never answered back. Im not particularly concerned which came first. kalaripayattu is a unique martial art.
fantasywriter1976 5 months ago
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@fantasywriter1976 ...Again, if you don't care who came first, then we have nothing to discuss. If you''re one of those idiots that believe that bullshit claim made by the kalapariyatu community, then all i ask is to show some credible factual proof, guarantee you can't, period.
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 Now you are doing the exact samething that you are accusing other people of. There is not even myth of a chinese martial artist traveling to India. Critical thinking 101. When someone makes a claim of having proof of something they are required to provide that proof. He never responded to my request for his sources. If he does not provide the source of his statements and claims--since they are based on these sources-- his argument is invalid.
fantasywriter1976 5 months ago
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@fantasywriter1976 ...So because he hasn't responded that means it's not true, did you use the same logic with that bullshit lie from the kalaripayatu community, did you even question their bullshit lie, didn't think so. Do your realize your inconsistency and hypocrisy.
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 If you make a claim that you have proof about something but then fail to provide that proof your argument is disregarded, at least this is how it works in academic circles. You are the only incosistent one here
mohinigirl 5 months ago
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@mohinigirl ...And where is the proof from the Kalaripayatu community about this bullshit lie, there is none. So why are you being a hypocrite, why don't you use the same academic rules with them hypocrite.
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 listen moron, Im. I said there is not enough proof to show that kalari gave birth to kung fu. comprehension skills? please get some
mohinigirl 5 months ago
@mohinigirl ..And angyaznman showed you credible sources & proof and you still disregard his post, who the fuck doesn't have any comprehension now, dumbass.
gbb357 5 months ago
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@fantasywriter1976 ..You want source, here it is. "Kalari TRUTH: Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 silly boy. you have to say where you got that information. Your word is not enough. This is why I have not made any claims one way or another. For me to say yes or no to one thing I would have to find primary sources, good primary sources. There is simply not enough research on the topic at the moment. I cant quite afford to travel to china or india to do research so I must settle for waiting for more research. Anything else is just gas and hot air
mohinigirl 5 months ago
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@mohinigirl ...You're not saying yes or no to the bullshit lie of the kalaripayatu community, but you easily disregard angryaznmans proof, and i did provided you a source where he got it from. Again your inconsistent and a hypocrite.
gbb357 5 months ago
@mohinigirl ..Yes the function of a high kick is for reach, but in general it is not practical because it leaves you wide open. More importantly, why kick high when you can kick low much easier & much more practical, economical, and over all smarter offensively & defensively. When your fighting a much bigger guy, you don't aim high, you aim low where the bigger guy is much more vulnerable & more open & slower. That's just common sense, you don't need martial arts training for that. CONT.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 You can do both you can aim high AND you can aim low. It never pays to be a one trick pony. It makes you predictable and thats the worst thing you can be in a fight. As a matter of fact there are a lot of low moving styles. My favorite kalaripayattu animal fighting style is actually boar style which is centered around sweeping low and grounded moves. You have to have more then one tool in your belt to be truly formidable. kalaripayattu tries to give you every possible tool there cool be
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..Really, aim high & aim low, wow, you honestly think Kalaripayatu is the only one that has this, LOL, you're making me laugh. Ever heard of a double side kicks. Again, why do you need to kick high when you can simply kick low and your not vulnerable, think. And you want to talk about predictable, have you seen this video, are you fucking kidding me. If your tool is being sloppy, uncoordinated, telegraphed, and no technique, then yes, Kalaripayatu will give you all of the above.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 I never said that Kalaripayattu is the only martial art that has this. if you always come in with low kicks your opponent will come to expect low kicks and be ready for you. Why would you kick high when you could kick low? To take your enemy by surprise. The martial artists from fight quest said that he was never sure which move would come next. Not Telegraped at all. You compared it to a dance, must not look so uncoordinated to you ha ha.
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ...EVERYTIME YOU KICK HIGH YOU LEAVE YOURSELF WIDE OPEN AND VULNERABLE. ALWAYS GO WITH THE HIGH PERCENTAGE MOVE AND THE SAFER MOVE. USE YOUR COMMON SENSE. YOU CAN FAKE HIGH BUT HIT LOW. DON'T GET ME WRONG, HIGH KICKS CAN WORK, IT'S JUST RISKY ESPECIALLY WHEN FIGHTING A BIGGER OPPONENT. IF THE KICKS WERE NOT TELEGRAPH IN FIGHT QUEST, THEN HOW COME DOUGH & JIMMY KEPT CATCHING THE KICKS AND TAKING THEM DOWN WITH EASE OVER & OVER, LIKE 5 TIMES. LOL. YES A DANCE, BUT BAD DANCING. LOL.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 the safer move is not always be best move. doing the same safe move over and over is a sure way to get your butt kicked LOL. I mean if you are fighting someone who does not know how to fight, then its prob ok but if you are fighting another martial artist? no. The best move is to judge each second of the fight and use the appropiate move depending on the circumstance. fight with your mind so that your body follows. It can work. you have to access the risks and take them when appropiate
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..I DIDN'T SAY USE THE SAME MOVE OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE MOVE YOU KNOW. THERE ARE PLENTY OF LOW AND MID STRIKES FOR BOTH KICKING AND PUNCHING. YOU GOT CHAMBER KICKS, TORNADO KICKS, SIDE KICKS, SPINNING KICKS, MID SECTION ROUND HOUSE KICKS, ETC, ETC. ALL HIGH PERCENTAGES KICKS AND LESS VULNERABLE AS WELL. BUT OF COURSE THESE ARE NOT KALARIPAYATU MOVES, THESE ARE REAL KICKS, NOT CHEERLEADING OR BALLET MOVES. LOL.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 but if your always coming low you are infact using the same tecnique over and over gain. bad idea. attacking the same area over and over again? recipe for disaster if you are fighting an experienced martial artist
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ...WRONG! YOU'RE COMING AT MID AND LOW ON DIFFERENT ANGLES, HOW IS THAT A BAD IDEA. I NEVER SAID YOU CAN'T AIM HIGH OR AIM FOR THE HEAD, I'M SIMPLY SAYING THAT IT IS A LOW PERCENTAGE KICK & RISKY, BUT PARTICULARLY, THE KALARIPAYATU KICK IS RISKY AND USELESS. IF YOU HAVE A MUCH LARGER TARGET TO HIT WHICH IS THE BODY AND LEGS, WHY GO FOR THE HEAD WHEN IT'S HARDER TO HIT & THE STRIKES IS EASIER TO BLOCK. IT'S COMMON SENSE & YOU'RE PRETTY CLUELESS WHEN IT COMES TO BASIC FIGHTING.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 because, you should never let your opponent which area you are going to attack. if you are always going for the same area over and over they will know in advance what area you are going for and be more able to protect it. hmm funny you should mention it, kalaripayattu was an art developed in time of war to fight other trained warriors. You are trained expecting that you are going to go up agaisnt a specialist. This requires specialized training.
fantasywriter1976 5 months ago
@fantasywriter1976 also kalaripayattu aims all their strikes at vital points in the body. Kalaripayattu does not teach you to strike at random. See the thing about kalaripayattu is that the guru does not care how difficult a kick is, they mold your body to do it. There are other kicks that are aimed at the neck, chest solar plexus. You just have never seen those kicks before. This is why I keep trying to tell you that its a bad idea to make such generalized statements based on youtube videos.
fantasywriter1976 5 months ago
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@fantasywriter1976...Ahhhh, please enlighten me with those other kicks. FYI, there no such thing as a choreograph strikes in a real fight. In a real fight, everything is random, you can set up a combination and it can work, it's done in boxing all the time with success and in MMA as well or other specific martial arts fight like Muay Thai & Tae Kwon Do. But to teach not to strike at random, is just silly, stupid, & ignorant, & arrogant as well. You have a lot to learn, & so does your guru.
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 ha ha choreography. No, nothing is random in a real fight by true artists. Every movement has a purpose and an aim. if you strike at random at targets that wont give you what you are going after you waste a lot of energy. Tiring before your opponent will give him or her the win
mohinigirl 5 months ago
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@mohinigirl ..LOL, you obviously haven't been in any real fight, just like those kalaripayatu experts from Fight Quest when Dough & Jimmy embarrassed them repeatedly . Did you see how pathetic they where. Every movement does have a purpose and you're obviously aiming, but it's not choreograph, you deliver combinations, but it doesn't mean it's going to work, that's why your combinations have to be random at the moment of the fight, trust me, real fights are different.
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 no kidding brainiac, not every move is going to work. Thats why every martial art teaches you more then one jeeezzz
mohinigirl 5 months ago
@gbb357 and you have obviously never fought anyone that could actually fight. Another trained martial artist. saying such balogna as always go with the safe move and always go for the low area is the perfect way to get your ass kicked.
mohinigirl 5 months ago
@mohinigirl ...Let me see you fight a MMA fighter, better yet, just watch an MMA fight, but it wouldn't make a difference, because you're too stupid to learn how it is in a real fight. See how they hit low first to break down their opponent in most MMA fights, and then they set them up for a head strike or any higher strike.
gbb357 5 months ago
@fantasywriter1976 ...NEVER LET YOUR OPPONENT KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO ATTACK, HMMM, INTERESTING. I USUALLY TELL MY OPPONENT EXACTLY WHERE I'M GOING TO HIT HIM, WHEN, HOW, & WHY. TELL ME, DID THE KALARIPAYATU EXPERTS FROM FIGHT QUEST KNOW ABOUT THIS FIGHTING SECRET, BECAUSE DOUG & JIMMY EMBARRASSED THOSE EXPERTS WITH A SIMPLE TAKE DOWN AND BASIC KICKS. THOSE GUYS WERE EXPERTS IN KALARIPAYATU, DOUG & JIMMY DIDN'T STAND A CHANCE, ESPECIALLY AGAINST THE BALLET KICK & EPIC FLYING KICK, IMPRESSIVE.
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 I just wanted to make sure you know. You do realize that Kalaripayattu was invented before ballet right? just saying.
mohinigirl 5 months ago
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@mohinigirl ..Yes i know that kalaripayatu came before ballet, they invented everthing under the sun as far as they're concern.
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 when you hone your mind along with your body, amazing things--that are too difficult if all you are doing is training to throw random kicks and punches which is just brawling really--are within reach. You are right, Im not a brawler. Never said I was. I said I practice martial arts. A precise and highly technical skills where you dont necesarily go for the low hanging fruit.
fantasywriter1976 5 months ago
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@fantasywriter1976 ..Never said you're a brawler either. If you consider yoga and ballet martial arts, more power to you, good luck with that.
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 LOL you are quite obssessed with ballet. are you a dancer? truly I cannot imagine you are a dancer. I dont think you have the capacity to be one. I dont know much dance not my kind of thing really. I like how you glace over everything, the sharp swords, the flexible swords the daggers. Also real martial artists paying respect to this art. Truly I dont think you are a real martial artist. maybe you took a class or too but your lack of awareness and battle strategy gives you away.
mohinigirl 5 months ago
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@mohinigirl ..Search "cheerleader kick" and you'll see the exact similarities with the kalaripayatu kick, it's uncanning. I haven't criticized anything about Kalaripayatu's weapon techniques, i actually said it's impressive. Lack of awarenes and battle strategy gives me away, did you see those kalaripayatu experts from fight quest, surely you would say the same thing about them, or are you going to be a hypocrite and inconsistent.
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 I dont want to search for cheerleader kicks. I see that you did not ask me to search for ballet kicks. I want you to tell me. I want to see your skills at work to be able to actually describe the move yourself. I mean if you cant even do that, there is no hope for you
mohinigirl 5 months ago
@mohinigirl ..Okay, search for ballet kicks then, you'll get the same results, i'm sure i asked you to search for both, but whatever. Again, i already described it in details twice how a kalaripayatu kick is, in one word, retarded. More description, useless, sloppy, & uncoordinated.
gbb357 5 months ago
@mohinigirl...Here you go, watch these videos, " Diesel Kick Ass Sneakers Ballet' & "Ballet Kick". Any more questions.
gbb357 5 months ago
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gbb357 5 months ago
@mohinigirl ..Here you go, check out this cheerleader routine tutorial, the kicks especially are completely exactly the same as Kalaripayatu kicks, it really is uncanning. LOL, enjoy, "Herkie Jump: Cheerleader Stunts, Stretches, Techniques Dance Moves, Cheer with Jennifer" & "Hurdlers: Cheerleader Stunts, Stretches, Techniques Dance Moves". There's more, let me know if you want more videos. LOL.
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 just saying that it looks like something else does not explain how you think it looks like it. I rest my case. You cant even do something that simple. describe how these two moves are alike LOL I knew it. Ever heard put it in your own words? know the purpose of that? to see if you actually understand what is going on which you clearly dont. :D
mohinigirl 5 months ago
@mohinigirl ..Sure it does, that's part of how the kalaripayatu based their claim on. I just describe them to you with specifity, you couldn't even described that retarded spinning kick on this video either, you came up with something stupid that wasn't even remotely closed to that retarded kick. LOL!!!
gbb357 5 months ago
@mohinigirl ..Here you go for the fucking third time, Kick your leg straight up forward in a swinging motion like a cheerleader or ballet kick, towards your face or forehead, done, you just executed a ballet kick/cheerleader kick/kalaripayatu kick. Any more questions:) Or you could also just watch the video examples i posted about cheerleaders, you obviously don't want to watch it because you know it's true and you're afraid of the truth. Just watch it and STFU.
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 Also most of the kalaripayattu strikes are meant to be killing blows. Thats why they go for the head and specific areas of the body, but since the head is a smaller target and requires more accuracy, you pay a lot of attention to it. if you can hit someone in the head you can kick them anywhere. call it accuracy practice. It does not mean that you will always go for the head. It is just training.
fantasywriter1976 5 months ago
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@fantasywriter1976 ..KALARIPAYATU STRIKES ARE MEANT TO BE KILLING BLOWS, REALLY? SO THE BALLET KICK IS A DEADLY KICK? YOU STILL CAN'T GET OVER THIS HEAD THING. FRIENDLY ADVISE, GO SPAR WITH ANOTHER MARTIAL ART PRACTITIONER OF A DIFFERENT ART, PREFERABLY MUAY THAI, BUT KARATE OR TAE KWON DO WOULD BE FINE. TRY THAT BALLET KICK TO THE HEAD AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS, I WISH I COULD SPAR WITH YOU, IF WE DID, YOU'LL NEVER USE THAT BALLET KICK EVER AGAIN, OR ANY HEAD KICK AT ALL, EVER.
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 Why are the high kicks shown in demos? cause its a demo? they are designed to show you what the art can train your body to do. The highest kicks very physically demaning. They show great flexibility and agility which are very highly prized in this art. It makes sense that the kicks that require the most flexibility and agility would be used in an art that places a lot of emphasis on speed, flexibility and agility
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..CONT. It's called cutting down your opponent to your size. You don't try to fight a bigger guy to his size, you bring down the bigger guy to your size. Aim for the knees, the shin, the groin, or anything that is more vulnerable down low. Why the fuck would you try to hit a guy on his face at 6'5 and your 5'7, when his knees and groin is wide open. Again, that's just simple common sense. You're making this too easy for me and entertaining, but not in a complimentary way to you.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 you never want to become a one trick pony. if all you can do is fight low then your opponent will be ready and waiting. The aim of the art is to demolish all physical barriers. so it has very high kicks and low kicks and medium level kicks. it has 12 different weapons as well as hand combat and lots of blocks. A graduate is also trained in herbal medicine, physical therapy--massage-- a well rounded art
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..More proof of their arrogance & egotistic claim, they actually made a tourist video. And also check the epic "acrobatic kicks", LOL.. Here's the title : Kalaripayattu Part 1
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 so now having a high kick is a sign or arrogance? seriously friend you are clearly delusional. It is a way of increasing reach. This is very useful if you are a shorter person. It is good to have kicks that can reach any opponent no matter his size
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ...Having a high kick is not the arrogance, the Guru saying that "theirs" is faster and better is arrogant. Considering that the high kicks in Kalaripayatu are nothing but a "CHEERLEADER KICK' or "BALLET KICK" to call it better & faster is laughable. Not really affective or functional, because your hitting your opponent with your tip toes. If you do a high kick sideways, hitting with your foot blade, one of the hardest part of your foot, next to your heel, then that's effective.
gbb357 6 months ago
you are contradicting yourself. Ballet is a very physcially demaning, technical and precise art. A few paragrahs ago you were saying that it was floppy and uncoordinated. It cant be both at the same time. Nothing more precise and coordinated then ballet LOL. Not all martial arts focus on speed. Some focus on power. Kalaripayattu focuses on speed and flexibility. it is very possible that it could be faster then others because that is what we train for
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..Didn't say ballet or cheerleading is not physically challenging, demanding, or not technical. But it's not martial arts or self defense. Ballet or Cheerleading is not SLOPPY, KALARIPAYATU IS SLOPPY, UNCOORDINATED, & NO TECHNIQUE. MY COMPARISON IS ONLY WITH THE KICKS, AND THE KICKS IN BALLET & CHEERLEADING ARE BETTER. THE SLOPPY PART OF KALARIPAYATU IS THE ART IT SELF. MARTIAL ARTS CONSIST OF SPEED, FLEXIBILITY, & POWER. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT IT'S FASTER, BASE ON THE TECHNIQUE, NO.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 but you just compared Kalaripayattu to ballet and cheerleading. When you say something is like something else it means they share similar qualities. Meh, again I point to the expert opinion that was provided in fightquest by actual martial artist. They expounded on the great flexiblity and diversity of this art. they commented on how fast it was. There is nothing sloppy about kalaripayattu.
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..UHH NO. I COMPARED THEIR KICKS ONLY. THEY'RE SIMILAR, MEANING THAT KICK IS USELESS AND IT'S NOT MARTIAL ARTS OR SELF DEFENSE OR OFFENSE.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 a ballet kick is not at all usless. it does what it is designed to do. Now you are taking digs at ballet? LOL a martial art is by definition any system of codified combat. You can defend with the blocks and attack with the kicks as well as the punches. also are you forgetting the very sharp swords and daggers, sticks, staves?? LOL
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..IT'S USELESS IN FIGHTING, BUT IT'S GOOD FOR BALLET DANCING. HENCE, IT'S NOT MARTIAL ARTS.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 who said that ballet is a martial art? dear lord my man, focus. why would you even bring ballet into this?
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A BALLET KICK, WTF DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND. I DIDN'T SAY BALLET IS MARTIAL ARTS, I SAID THAT KICK IS NOT MARTIAL ARTS. C'MON NOW, YOU CAN READ AND COMPREHEND.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 well hey friend if you are not making any sense dont blame me for your confused arguments. so it looks like a ballet kick because its very high and flexible coordinated and yes even beautiful and so because it is flexible beautiful and coordinated then it cannot be a martial art? if you get hit in the face by one of those kicks it will still damage you even if it is very fluid as well as beautiful and elegant
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ...DIDN'T SAY FLEXIBILITY AND COORDINATION IS NOT MARTIAL ARTS, I'M SIMPLY SAYING THAT A BALLET KICK IS NOT REALLY A MARTIAL ARTS KICK OR AN OFFENSIVE STRIKE, ITS GOOD FOR STRETCHING. I'M ALSO JUST SAYING THAT KALARIPAYATU IS SLOPPY, UNCOORDINATED, & HAS NO TECHNIQUE. YOU HAVE TO BE PRETTY STUPID & IN CATATONIC FOR YOU TO GET HIT BY A BALLET KICK JON THE HEAD, YOU'LL GET HIT IN THE GROIN FIRST.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 first you said it was uncoordinated, then you said it was like ballet then you said that it was not like ballet well if its not like ballet then why bring it up at all? such contradictions and such a clouded mind.
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..I SAID IT'S SIMILAR TO A BALLET OR CHEERLEADERS KICKS, I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS AS GOOD OR AS COORDINATED AS BALLET OR CHEERLEADERS KICKS. GET IT NOW.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 so its similar to a very fluid highly technical kick that people spend many years learning how to do??? you are not helping yourself
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@gbb357 if you attack the same area every time your enemy will know what he has to defend and has more time to plan a counterstrike.. it is very coordinated. The feats they do could not be possible without coordination. all parts of the body must work in harmony for these kicks--specially the very acrobatic ones--to be completed. I dont have any experience with ballet and with cheerleading, perphaps you were in ballet classes and part of a cheerleading squad. They are not really my kind of thing
fantasywriter1976 5 months ago
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@fantasywriter1976...OMG, again who said you're attacking the same are, are you really that stupid or you can't read. I gave you at least 4 type of kicks that are aimed at the mid & low section of your whole body & legs & each with multiple targets. Mid round house, ribs& knees. Frond kick ,chest, stomach, or groin area. Multiple side kicks, shin, knees, & stomach. Spinning kick, chest,stomach, & groin. Each of these kicks can target the head as well, but it's riskier & longer to reach..CONT
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 no the stupid one here is you. You dont realize how badly you give yourself away. you dont actually have a nack for battle strategy from the way you speak that or have never had any training or possibly worst of all attend one of those watered down schools that mascarade for martial arts schools in the west. It is good to have as many different tools as possible. are you always going to come in super high and jumping? no. Kalaripayattu has kicks to all these different levels.
mohinigirl 5 months ago
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@mohinigirl ..Please show me the different levels of kicks from kalaripayatu, i beg you. Have i mention the pathetic kicks from the kalaripayatu experts from fight quest, yeah they definitely took it to another level, the retarded level. Check out the epic retarded flying kick again at 7:12, definitely different level. LOL!!!
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 the only retard here is you. You think they can possibly cram every kick into a little 45 min episode? specially since when they started showing them the basic kicks they could not do them so they had to move on to other things? they gave them some basic stuff to use in a demo. and a demo is all this is
mohinigirl 5 months ago
@mohinigirl ...Wow, are you fucking stupid, WTF are you talking about that they started showing them the basic kicks, i'm talking about the retarded kicks from the kalaripayatu experts during the fight. What part of that you don't understand that i've been repeating for the past 12 pages, LOL. Again, cue retarded flying kick on 7:12 and all of the other retarded kicks that Doug & Jimmy kept catching & taking the retarded kalaripayatu experts with a simple take down & leg sweep, over & over again
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 When you are figthing someone who is at least at your own level, catching them by surprise can mean end of the fight. every martial art there has flying kicks, and if Kalaripayattus are higher then others its just part of the training. sometimes you have to take risky moves--this really becomes more important when you are at a draw in a fight--this can come in quite handy. This is something that falls in the region of battle strategy which we have ascertained you are rather lacking in
mohinigirl 5 months ago
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@mohinigirl ..Hahaha, you make me laugh, kalaripayatus kicks are higher, are you fucking serious. Check out Tae kwon do kicks when they do 3 to 5 kicks while in the air breaking boards with each kick while in the air. Please, seriously, educate yourself before you speak, they're all over the internet & especially here in youtube.
gbb357 5 months ago
@mohinigirl ..Check out Bren Foster, black belt in Tae Kwon Do. Title "Bren Foster Tribute" and you'll see how fast and high a proper executed kick should be, not ballet kicks or cheerleader kicks like kalaripayatu kicks. Check out "Taekwon-do Flying Kick Practice" for real flying kicks. Check out "Taekwondo - fly kick " for real acrobatic kicks. Check out "Show de los Korean Tigers" or any Korean Tiger videos for multiple kicks & flying kicks and precision coordinated fights & demos.
gbb357 5 months ago
@mohinigirl ..I forgot to mention precision techniques and masterful technicians. Not fucking sloppy and you won't see them throwing themselves to their opponents and their opponents catching them. NO pathetic flying kicks or pathetic basic simple kicks that a 5yr old should be able to do.
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 Oh please the only sloppy thing here is your thinking process. I dont even mention your analytical skills because you dont have any. Im sure he does a good and proper kick in taekwondo. How he performs a kick in taekwando is irelevant since we are talking about a different martial art. You keep repeating the same thing over and over but are unable to say how kalaripayattu kick is how like ballet--your lack of analytical skills at work--cant even analyze a move and brake it down
mohinigirl 5 months ago
@mohinigirl ...I did describe to you why the kalari kick is exactly like a ballet kick, you obviously missed it or can't read. Kick your leg straight up in a swinging motion like a ballet kick, towards your forehead, done, you just executed a ballet kick/cheerleader kick/kalaripayatu kick. Again, any more questions. I keep comparing Tae Kwon Do kicks because it's a directly derivved from Kung Fu, & to show proof that there are no similarities at all with Kalaripayatu, WTF, can't comprehend that.
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 So please if you cant even do that much, analyze a move and brake it down into how its done you have no say in this conversation. A martial artist that cant break down a move is like a mechanic that does not know which parts do what in a car. A mechanic not at all.The fact that your sluggish brain cant comprehend the fact that there is more then one way to do something is totally and profoundly atonishing. trying to have a resonable discussion with you is like talking to a tape recorder
mohinigirl 5 months ago
@mohinigirl ..Analyze a move, just like you analyze that retarded spinning kick on this video, c'mon be honest and do be stupid. There was no mechanics with that kick, the idiot on this video just spun out of control without any target hoping to hit something. LOL, please, you're reaching and it's show, quite pathetic really. Just stop.
gbb357 5 months ago
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@fantasywriter1976 ..CONT, LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU AGAIN & USE YOUR COMMON SENSE. WHEN YOU AIM FOR THE HEAD, IT'S RISKIER THAN AIMING FOR THE BODY OR LEGS BECAUSE IT'S A SMALLER TARGET, HARDER TO REACH, MORE TELEGRAPHED STRIKE, EASIER TO BLOCK, & LEAVES YOU WIDE OPEN & VULNERABLE. IT'S PHYSICS. I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T AIM FOR THE HEAD, GO LOOK UP "CRO-COP" & YOU'LL SEE THAT HE'S FAMOUS FOR HIS KNOCKING OUT HIS OPPONENTS WITH A ROUND HOUSE KICK TO THE HEAD. HE'S THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE...CONT
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 ha ha yes, kalaripayattu aims to make you the exception to every rule LOL. thats why the training takes so many years and is so intense
mohinigirl 5 months ago
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@mohinigirl ..Kalaripayatu definitely made an exception to the rule with those kalaripayatu experts from fight quest, LOL!!!
gbb357 5 months ago
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@fantasywriter1976..THE BIG DIFFERENCE WITH A ROUND HOUSE KICK AND THE BALLET KICK FROM KALARIPAYATU, IS THAT YOU CAN FAKE A ROUND HOUSE KICK TO THE HEAD OR THE MID SECTION. THE BALLET KICK IS USELESS, PERIOD. WTF ARE YOU AIMING FOR. THERE'S NOTHING ACROBATIC ABOUT IT. IT'S THE EXACT KICK THAT BALLET & CHEERLEADERS USE. IT'S TELEGRAPHED AND THE OPPONENT HAS TO BE STICKING OUT HIS CHIN REALLY CLOSE TO YOU FOR YOU TO HIT HIM. IT IS GOOD FOR STRETCHING, THAT'S IT..CONT.
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 what makes it a ballet kick, care to elaborate? have you ever actually seen ballet? You know I think you have not. and going for the same low area--as you kept hollering about before you backpedaled--is not? LOL you silly thing. All kicks stretch the leg muscles. if you dont stretch your leg muscles there is no kick
mohinigirl 5 months ago
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@mohinigirl ..What makes a ballet kick is kicking your leg straight up to touch your forehead rendering it useless in a fight, hence the kalaripayatu kick/ballet kick/cheerleader kick. Any more questions?
gbb357 5 months ago
@mohinigirl you are right. i dont either. that isnt why i posted this. its for dumbasses who for some strange reason think kung fu came from this when INDIAN HISTORIANS say otherwise.
angryaznman 6 months ago
@angryaznman and what do Indian historians say?
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl first, that there is a clear distinction between kalari and kalari payatu. kalari schools of learning is an old tradition. but there were many topics, including math and science. the fight schools, kalari payatu, didnt come until later.
the western indian leading expert on this, Phillip Zarrilli, says 12th century. the indian historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai says 11th century during war between chola and cheras. he was born in kerala btw.
angryaznman 6 months ago
@angryaznman As far as my master has translated kalari, it means gym or dojo. I do not know this place to be used as a place of learning other topics. I will ask him as he is a native of Kerala. Can you please provide citations for both these sources?
mohinigirl 6 months ago
2. Shaolin kung fu predates bodhi: The 2 men who became the VERY FIRST Shaolin monks were ALREADY experts in kung fu. Shaolin kung fu came from them. ("History of Chinese Martial arts: Jin Dynasty to the Period of Disunity") Also, they found weapons in the monestaries of Chang'an. ("Martial arts Myths of Shaolin Monastery, Part I: The Giant with the Flaming Staff") Suggesting the monks already practiced martial arts.
angryaznman 6 months ago
3. Creation of 5 animal kung fu styles is documented, NO BODHI: Jueyuan was a master of the 18 Luohan Hands. the original 18 techniques of Shaolin. He expand to 72, but wanted to do more. He travel to Gansu Province to the city of Lanzhou and met Li Sou. He was a master of Hong Quan. they work with Bai YuFeng and expand the 72 techniques to around 170. Those 170 techniques were than divided into the 5 animal forms.
angryaznman 6 months ago
4. The ONE place that credits bodhi is discredited: ONLY the PREFACE of the 1800s VERSION of the Yijin Jing mentions Bodhi with kung fu at all. Historians (like Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi) discredit this preface because it is FULL of INACCURACIES. Even getting the Emperor Reigns wrong.
angryaznman 6 months ago
5. The painting in Shaolin does NOT depict bodhi teaching shaolin monks. It actually only shows many shades of monks, all wearing Chinese clothes, practicing kung fu. Leave it to dreamers to think anyone who is a shade darker than light is Indian. Even if they were, no indication whatsoever about bodhi. PLUS the painting was done a THOUSAND years after bodhi’s time. It CANNOT be used as an indication of the past.
angryaznman 6 months ago
6. Sinews Changing Classic: Scholars disregard this preface because it has many anachronistic mistakes and the fact that popular fictional characters from Chinese literature, including the "Bushy Bearded Hero" (虬髯客), are listed as lineage masters. In fact, Ling Tinkang (1757-1809), a SCHOLAR of the QING Dynasty, described the author (Li Jing) as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
angryaznman 6 months ago
7. So in conclusion, there was kung fu before shaolin. There was shaolin kung fu before bodhi. The creation of the animal styles is documented, no bodhi. The one source that credits bodhi is faulty and the author of that one preface was viewed as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
The End, dreams over.
angryaznman 6 months ago
Also just as an FYI this is only a demonstration of single bladed knife fight and different blocks effective in a knife fight. This is a very very small part of the art. There are 12 different weapons each with its own unique fighting style. There is also bare handed combat. and yes there is also sword and shield combat. Kalari rocks :D
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ...I have to admit, some of the weapons display i've seen like the flexible swords and the regular swords demos were pretty good, actually impressive. But not this one. And their hand to hand displays, especially the kicks, put this way, a three year old can do better.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 Ok so you dont like one style out of many and that makes the art stupid and useless? This is what you have been hollering about how Kalaripayattu is useless and stupid. You need to to a real conclusion based on your own stated observations
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ..Seeing is believing. If you don't see how uncoordinated & sloppy it is on this video which is the same as 99.9% of the videos of kalaripayatu here in youtube, then i have nothing else to say other than you're blind & in denial. BTW, i never said that it's useless & stupid, just sloppy, uncoordinate, & no technique. It's a fact based on all the videos here in youtube, all of them.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 it is I agree. thats why I found a good teacher. I learn in person not from TV ;) oh and thanks for bringing fightquest to my attention. watching it now. Im not one much for watching TV actually
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ...Good, watch the epic flying kick at 7:16 and see how pathetic it is. Also, see how Doug & Jimmy owned those guys with simple take downs that they couldn't defend over and over, must have been at least 5 take downs that Doug or Jimmy executed over and over again.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 Also thanks for pointing me to that fight quest episode. did you miss where he said that the way the fighters move is confusing to him and he cant tell where the next move is coming from? This is coming from real experts that make it their business to go around and learn different arts--and like real martial artists--afford each art the respect they desserve
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ...The object of fighting in general, is to confuse your opponent and not telegraph your moves. Especially in martial arts, you don't know where it's coming from and what strike. You're obviously still in denial due to the fact that every move during that fight was telegraph, that's why Dough & Jimmy kept catching those pathetic kicks and kept taking those guys down, over & over again. Again, watch all the pathetic kicks especially at 7:16.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 They didnt seem to think they were pathetic at all LOL they did not look to have an easy time doing those pathetic kicks. :P ha ha ha
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ...LOL!!! That's why Dough & Jimmy owned those guys and kept taking them down with those pathetic kicks, hahahaha. BTW, i'm talking about the Kalari masters, not Doug & Jimmy. Doug & Jimmy executed their kicks very well, with form and function, not sloppy & uncoordinated like their opponents. LOL.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 no, their kicks were slow and clumsy. they recognized it themselves. I think you are confusing speed and flexibility with sloppy. meh again Im going to go with the stated opinions of the real specialists here that stated the art is very unique and intricate and requires special focus and training. thanks again <3
mohinigirl 6 months ago
@mohinigirl ...You're telling me that flying kick at 7:16 is not sloppy just like the rest, okay then, if denial is the best you can do, by all means do so. You are correct, it is quite unique to see a martial art that is sloppy, uncoordinated and no technique. LOL.
gbb357 6 months ago
@gbb357 meh. Again, I point to the EXPERT opinion that you so kindly provided. They stated that the art is special and powerful. They are true martial artists and able to understand the real applications of this art. thanks again. The fights are fast and they are real, no possing to get the perfect angle for the camera.
mohinigirl 6 months ago