Obama Administration Report Confirms Speaker Pelosis Bill Increases Health Care Costs

[lendada13]

How does he sleep at night? Spreading lies and fear. GET OUT OF THE INSURANCE COMPANIES POCKET PEOPLE ARE DYING

[rumormater]

Ok! Let's see where are the lies:

1) Town Hall people are mobs! (Obama, Pelosi, Reid).

2) Tea Party movement: Astro turf (Pelosi) .

3) Stimulus Package create or saved two million jobs, 1.5, 3, .. (Obama, Gibs, WH advisers ...).

4) US deficits caused by Bush 8 years of economic (Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, ....).

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[quizerry]

Her worst lie was when she said the healthcare debates were the most transparent in history.

[rumormater]

It's hopeless with this president, this house speaker, and this Senate lead!!!E^&@D^D^#%* They are professional liars beong the stimulus package imagination!!!

[jogeag80]

You know it is funny how he was humiliated during the live televised healthcare summit. Now that he is back without any opponent to call him out on his lies he lies yet again. Shit why can't people see this lying scum for what he is.

[Pellegrino80]

John Boner is a lying Jackass...

[cjstud2010]

Obama is a jackass.

[quizerry]

These bills are an insult to the American people. We are in real economic trouble and passing a healthcare bill with stagerring cost not to mention one that will raise healthcare cost not drive them down is crazy. This has nothing to do with reform it is a power play to increase government and take away our freedom. They want a total takeover and this is the 1st step. Government run systems leave you not choice no competition. Your screwed.

[jogeag80]

OK so how about we start over throwing them. Along with fire department, police department, road builders, public schools, libraries. Down with government run programs!!

[quizerry]

Those are State entities and are in our Constitution. It is the federal Government is out of control. People that don't know or understand it should do some reading on where your federal tax dollars are being wasted on fraud abuse, poorly run inefficient programs. As well as federal aid to States (88.000 entities) and Corporate welfare( billions to corps). Why does proctor and gamble or pfizer get fed money to do what they are in business for to develope and market products?

[jogeag80]

I know there is fraud, waste and abuse. Any where there is money and any where there is people it will always be that way. I know there are billions of dollars in foreign aid but like I said that has been going on for years. But it isn't like it started with the Obama administration. We aren't talking about that here. We are talking about millions of americans to poor or with pre existing conditions having make a choice between roof or life. This bill isn't perfect but is better than many have.

[luvofcountry]

Troneous:

"I'm not a Democrat or Republican. I don't believe in this Duopoly system."

Me neither. I wish I had more choices. But the lies being spewed by the rw media have forced me to vote Dem. The GOP is out of control with its challenging of our allies, other parties, and now its own members with accusations of godliness, laziness, & unpatriotic views when they question any GOP initiatives. Freedom of speech carries responsibility, and attacking voters isn't winning the GOP any credibility.

[luvofcountry]

voyeurdug:

Well put. Between our political system & courts, credibility is from which everything flows. It was lost for the GOP when they claimed during the election that the economy was only in a "mental recession". Now the recession (which didn't exist) is somehow now completely Obama's fault.

The GOP's sole purpose is only to destroy Obama -or any opposition to their power. And this, they are simply trying to do through obstruction. And like many others, I'm an ex-Republican. Forever.

[Troneous]

@luvofcountry

I'm not a Democrat or Republican. I don't believe in this Duopoly system.

[voyeurdug]

Can't believe anything in this video, because every phrase is politically crafted to match a set of talking points... rather than to appeal to reason. Those talking points amount to obstruction for the sake of obstruction, and I hear them echoed only by other House and Senate Republicans and a few Independents whose campaign finances are coming out of BIG corporate healthcare interests.

[quizerry]

These bills eliminate health saving that 8 million people have, and 48 million with flax spending accounts through employers . Tax advantages through these plans will be lost. Medical expence deduction used by 10 million each year mostly elderly will be lost. Increase taxes on soda and beer and an excise tax on sugar will be payed by everyone poor and middle class. Higher corporate tax that will effect us all. Combined the largest tax hike in history. Yet Nothing cuts healthcare cost

[quizerry]

How about the big lie about what these bills cost? The CBOs 10 year est is actually for only 6 years because the spending for the plans doen not take effect til 2014. If you did a 10 year for the years 2014 to 2024 these bills would cost double. They think the American people are stupid and won't pick up on that fact. They all lie. It is time to fire them all and get in new blood. Get rid of the lifers up there who are bought and payed for.

[luvofcountry]

Troneous:

I stand by my point. If the wealthy are unhappy with their tax rate, they're free to leave the US and experience taxes elsewhere.

And as for regulation, I've already seen an FDA that relied solely on drug mfr's testing, and the result was drug recalls, death, & injury. Outsourcing to China to boost profit has produced toys containing lead and tainted pet food. I could go on & on, but I think you see my point.

[Troneous]

@luvofcountry

Thanks for actually making a point. Cultfighter could learn from you.

[Troneous]

oh-and not to mention a potential VATS and other "hidden" taxes the administration is thinking of. "if your family makes less than 250k a year..you will not see your taxes increase 1 penny". Give me a break. If you're single that's 125k by the way. Breaking so many promises so early. But, as you proved, the general can be so blind-to busy watching "reality" TV i guess. You can keep your thousands of pages of bills, i'll keep the 6 pages of Constitution.

[cultfighter]

Your Consitution that Bush said was just a piece of paper? The one Billo the clown said he did not care about? The one that said that a criminal is to be tried in the same area of the crime committed? You try to hijack the Constitution the Christian religion. and patriotism as if it Republicans alone but only when it suits you. Keep regurgitating what leader Boner and Glen Beck tells you Beckerhead but stop demanding anyones respect until you earn it. You act like a MORON and folks will notice

[Troneous]

@cultfighter

Please try to actually refute the argument. Your tangents are getting old and ridiculous. Try not name calling and maybe people will respect your posts..until then.....

[cultfighter]

I could give a rats ass if you respect me or not asswipe - If you used facts instead of bullshit we can talk. Dont regurgitate what Glen Beck tells you because all that is is misinformation. Dont play the old trick of hijacking christiananity - patriotism - or your assinine hijack of the constitution as if they are owned by Republicans and I will talk otherwise I will call you out on it. If you dont like it tuff shit

[Troneous]

@cultfighter

After reading this, i feel embarrassed for you. Just read your first sentence-that should be enough. I have used facts and you blatantly disregard them and go screaming and go off on random assumptions and tangents. It's not about Republican or Democrat-it's about what will work and what won't. I don't think i'll respond to you anymore because it's clearly a waste of time. Thanks for the entertainment though.

[luvofcountry]

So he can't FIND anyone who supports a public option??? What a lie.

Maybe he should spend more time speaking with the majority of Americans -instead of the elite few country club types.

Or maybe he could travel to the free health fairs and speak to people who had insurance and were cheated out of it when they needed it most. I notice the Republicans are strangely absent from attending those fairs.

But then, they would have to look those people in the face.

[cultfighter]

Healthcare for all could have been paid for 3 times over with the tax cuts given to the wealthy. Boner got his crumbs What did you get?

[Troneous]

@cultfighter

you don't plan to ever be wealthy?

If we actually had a free market (not one decided by the criminal federal reserve) healthcare costs would not even be an issue. Just have a flat sales tax, have the state decide on the state taxes, there's not even a law for the Federal gov to tax income.

[cultfighter]

I am doing very well.and have everything I need. My employees are happy My home is comfortable and on the water. i have the best Blue Cross policy money can buy. There are others in this country that allowed me to do so well that are not doing so well. Why shouldnt I give more?

[Troneous]

@cultfighter

"there are others in this country that allowed me to do so well that are not doing so well. Why shouldnt I give more?"

Since when does that logic mean that all Americans are required to pay for Universal Healthcare for everyone *even illegals* or go to Jail and pay thousands in fines?

I suggest you read the bill-you might be surprised.

Oh yea-most in the House and Senate did not read it, so good luck!

[cultfighter]

Trollneous

I did read it and you are a liar or a Beckerhead regurgitating what you are told. You conservatives that do not care about other Americans and try to hijack the Cristian religion or claim to support troops as you sit back at home and send them into war for the benifit of large corporations sicken me. It is not every man for himself - It is America for Americans Your way of thinking is why the country is in the shape it is in. Look around you at how the Republican Recession is going.

[luvofcountry]

The wealthy, even with all their tax breaks still cheat. Taxes that pay for THEIR military protection. How "patriotic".

(AP) WASHINGTON — Some 7,500 international tax dodgers have applied for an amnesty program that promises no jail time and reduced penalties for tax cheats who come forward, the IRS announced Wednesday.

The tax dodgers were hiding money in more than 70 countries and on every continent except Antarctica. Accounts ranged from just over $10,000 to more than $100 million.

[cultfighter]

Real patriots get a bad name from these teagagger chicken hawks like Dickless Cheney and his five deferments. These MORON Republicans cause the country to crumble and refuse to help fix it. In the middle of a Republican Recession they blame Obama ! That is like shitting their pants and blaming the new President and standing there with shit running down their leg while they refuse to change their pants.

[Troneous]

@cultfighter

Obama has already shattered deficit records so how about not being so blind and being somewhat open to facts. Obama has spent more money on new programs in nine months than Bill Clinton did in eight years, pushing the annual deficit to $1.4 trillion. Of course you will probably just name call and refuse to accept any facts that don't make Democrats look infallible.

[cultfighter]

trolleboner

I wonder why Reagans economic adviser would say that his analysis was that the budget is GW Bushs and the overruns were due to projected revenue deficets? Tell me how the wars were not in the budgets under Bush but now are? Tell me about money spent on the republican Recession that is being paid back? You want to count both in your comparison but keep it hidden on the Bush budget and compare them? What facts do you use?  The Glen Beck chauck board?

[Troneous]

@cultfighter

You started by name calling-your whole post is now irrelevant.

Do you believe in cap and trade too?

"Republican Recession"-I thought we were all Americans in this recession-unbelievable bias.

Putting the blame on Bush will not change anything-we need to figure out how to fix this in Obama's administration. Increasing taxes (cap and trade and Healthcare bill), destruction of civil liberties (pro-long detention), and ignorance to climate change facts (climategate)wont work

[Troneous]

@luvofcountry

The problem is the high taxes. Maybe if we had lower taxes people could afford to stay in the over regulated US and employ Americans.

[Troneous]

@cultfighter

Thanks for proving my point. Incapable of actually refuting my points. You go straight to name calling. When did i mention Religion? When did i mention anything about troops? I do believe we should not be there unless we give our troops the FULL power of the military and its resources. So my support of the Constitution is Un-American? Maybe we should administer aptitude tests before people like cultfighter are allowed to vote!

[TheAerialbomb]

We could have already paid for it had Bush not invaded two countries. That doesn't even count the 1.5 trillion tax cut to the rich. The give-a-way Medicare to the big pharma, the free trade with Mexico that caused million and million of people to lost jobs over the last 6 years. It won't be easy to reverse all the Damage Bush did in just eight years. Do any of you read current history or are you just Racist?

[bigtex501]

HR 3962

Congressional Budget Office..

estimates what "THE PLANS" will likely cost..

Individual earning $44,000 before taxes who purchases his own insurance WILL PAY a $5,300 premium & an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket expenses..

TOTAL OF $7,300 a year, OR...

***17% of HIS pre-tax income***!

A family earning $102,100 a year before taxes WILL PAY a $15,000 premium plus an estimated $5,300 in out-of-pocket expenses..

TOTAL OF $20,300, OR...

***20% of THEIR pre-tax income***!

[bigtex501]

U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics..

OBAMER ECONOMICS...

Unemployment rate JUMPS from 9.8% (15.1 MILLION) to....

10.2% (15.7 MILLION)

TOTAL UNEMPLOYMENT....

JUMPS from 16.8% to 17.5% of the civilian population or 41.4 MILLION PEOPLE.

Of those that can't ***afford*** to get H.C. insurance..

HOW MANY are DUE to NO JOBS?????

Obamer....

IT'S THE "ECONOMY STUPID"!!!

[bigtex501]

VOTERS **CONTINUE** TO TRUST REPUBLICANS MORE THAN DEMOCRATS! (4 MONTHS NOW!)... on all 10 key electoral issues! 46% to 39% on HEALTH CARE!!!! 50% to 35% on TAXES!!!! 49% to 35% on the Economy 54% to 35% on National Security 50% to 31% on Iraq 45% to 37% on Social Security 43% to 38% on Education 49% to 33% on Abortion 58% say that a Republican is LIKELY to be the NEXT PRES! 44% say that they would vote GOP in their District vs/ 37% for Democrats!

[TheEzekiel300]

Those bush tax cuts for rich suck wind! To bad all that stuff you said is bull crap!

[MrMindfucker]

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And growing...sign it!

[cultfighter]

Boner is a high priced insurance salesman

[TheAerialbomb]

Boner is bought and paid for by insurance and tanning spray companies.

[AdmiralTGCD]

What about the Constitution? I hear no Republicans arguing against healthcare from a Constitutional perspective, and that's a shame.

[2010GOP]

AdmiralTGCD: WHAT????

You haven't heard Republicans speaking out against the health care bill(s) being unConstitutional?

Where have you been?

[CalifSunshine2008]

The Democrats are steam rolling the Republicans. They are dirty as hell...bribing every one that they can.

[memama2]

...so I thought that we were "gettin" the magical liberal math mountains of Ca$h and it would flow back to us like manna!......isn't that the TALL TALE Obama has been pushin since his SHAM-pain?..........everything paid for - free cars - free houses - free health care ......so WHAT THE HEY?...........we aint's gettin dee Obama Monies?........shoot thats gonna ruin Christmas!!!....how we gonna pay for that G.I Joe with the ~kung-fo~ GRIP?..........come on now? we unzs is gonna go BROKE?..seeesh

[ka7krz]

Palin/Boehner 2012

[TheEzekiel300]

Fuck tax cuts for the rich! some christians?

[jbranstetter04]

How come democrats are against allowing people to buy health insurance across state lines? Answer, it doesn't increase the power of government. How come democrats are against allowing individuals and small businesses to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices? Answer, it doesn't increase the power of government. How come democrats don't want to end junk lawsuits that contribute to higher health care costs? Answer, because they are in the pockets of trial lawyers.

[Auggie56]

Thanks John.

[SHAMSHAM1090]

Democrats...... can you expain yourselves?

[veriteez]

Mr. Boehner, run for President! I'd vote for you.

[MrMindfucker]

Hi Mr.Boehner!

Keep'em Straight!