I laugh when people think torture doesn't work, they have this hollywood idea of the guy who won't 'break', and will just spread dis-info till he dies. Now imagine yourself being tortured, perhaps mutilated, you'd tell everything you ever knew in short order. Sure you get junk info in the mix, but in there will be the truth, almost every time. Note I'm not discussing the morality, just the efficacy.
"Congressmen who willfully take action during wartime that damages morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hung"
Well this is actually a fallacy. John McCain god bless him finally broke after extreme torture for prolonged periods of time. He is an American hero, to an ineffable degree. Torture works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't but the point is that it's immoral and a violation of our covenant with GOD. Cheney cheney you can't hide we charrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgee you with Genocide.
They said water boarding worked. They didn't say it was instantaneous. As far as following orders go... I don't know what rules the CIA fall under, but in the military you can be held responsible if you knowingly follow a non-lawful order.
My personal opinion is: If I know the person the person in front of me has directly caused the death of innocent people and he has knowledge that can save the lives of more innocent people, then anything goes and I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
TALK PLEASE ABOUT WATERBOARDING OUR OWN USA CHILDREN AS "TRAINING"TO BECOME SPY-MOST DIE-see aaron mccollum, duncan o'finioan, obrien-cia child torture include waterboarding near death at 4 y o child-to create dissociation (amnesia) which can be use in a spy by cia/military assignments(so spy cant divulge mission under torture bc need key word or sound to access the memory)-also so spy or soldier cant refuse the work bc they obey triggers-theyre reflex robots(hypnotized/programmed under torture)
If that was really the mentality they had with this issue, it's scary. Where is the freedom and liberty in /that/? Isn't that the mentality that some of of America's most significant enemies of the past like Nazi Germany, Japan, and the Soviet Union were going with?
Good point... but do not be naive my friend. You have to be aware of the kind of double standards that present themselves throughout all human history. History is written (and subsequently dictated to the future youth) by the VICTORS... who thus will always be perceived as the "good guys". That has ALWAYS been the case, for better or worse.
@bobshenix Believe me. I'm Japanese and I know exactly what you mean. It's just that no other country in the world has an identity built on what could potentially be wonderful ideals for ppl. So many Americans like Cenk, Ana, and many others argue their views because they are fully aware of them. And the reality is that America's identity seems to be twisted to justify actions like torturing, nuking, sending people to concentration camps, and witch hunting "UnAmerican" activity. It's really sad
@hirothemouse If you're Japanese, u haf no rite to be so self-righteous about 'torture, nuking, sending people to concentration camps'. Don't u know about japanese actrocrities in WW!!??? Sadistic moron
@killerchipmunkattack I'm not responsible for these things. What Japan did in WWII were terrible, and they should never be justified, but If I get criticized for these things just because of where I call home, I'm getting a burden that I don't deserve. I'm not criticizing Americans. I think there are tons of Americans who are saddened by waterboarding and related events. I'd rather criticize those that /are/ responsible for these things, and those who send the message of justification.
@hirothemouse - On the issue of executive authority (and in contradiction to John Yoo's assertions), in 1952 the Supreme Court ruled that the President of the United States has to obey US law. (google: Youngstown-steel-v.-Sawyer 1952)
Torture works. water boarding is just the happy version. there is far more horrible things that can be done. I.E. cutting off fingers slowly/sawing off a foot poisons etc.
But in any case, if there was a civil war in the USA tommorow morning, i would not be going to work, i would be crossing the border (heavily armed) at sault ste marie, and i would actually be comming to HELP YOU
Why? Because as angry as we both are with the situation our nations are in, we are powerless until a catalyst is lit off
Mark my words, should that day come in my able bodied lifetime, as much as you think i hate Americans or something (false) i would be YOUR brother in arms, friend!
@muzzleflash7 i'm sorry that you don't recognize cenk's overwhelming patriotism. he loves this country so much which is why he wants to protect the rights of all americans. not just conservative, ignorant, white ones.
A bunch of pathetic morons seem to have more compassion for the terrorist than they do for victims they kill in cold blood. Water board them 1000 times, smash their noses, break their arms, if it saves innocent American lives then by all means do it.
its the fear of torture that works, not merely the pain, but the fear of receiving more pain. its completely psychological and is less effective against the strong willed.
2.) why did they question him AFTER he answered from 37 seconds of waterboarding? you won't like the answer, but this is it. you get the answer, then you have to confirm it. if he changed his story after he started talking, they administered more waterboarding to get to the real story and past the cover stories that these suspects have been trained to have.
i wish we didn't do this.
i also wish people didn't use terror to attack us
Torture doesn't work. Anyone who thinks it does and supports it should get out of the United States. I used to think this country stood for something, I guess nowadays thats not very true. We're not better then the people we're against.
Nice Guy Eddie: If you fucking beat this prick long enough, he'll tell you he started the goddamn Chicago fire, now that don't necessarily make it fucking so!
Toture and war go together like blacks and ashy elbows..
Torture should only be given to those who deserve it. These would include murderers, rapists, and especially terrorists. If torture was performed, then people would be scared and would think twice before doing something mindless and stupid such as committing crimes.
Torture is cruel but waterbording is a walk in the park compared to what soldiers in Iraq go through. Some are tied to the back of a car, set on fire, dragged around, then hung. This Is what real torture is but for some reason when we found the man responsible we felt bad for him because he received a fat lip when he was captured!! I really dont see what is so bad about this method at all anymore I would feel lucky getting waterborded over the other type.
The Young Terks are complete MORONS. the reason they had to do it 183 times is because you pussys would scream if they started cutting off fingers. You make no sense whatsoever. what would you like us do put them up in hotels and when they are ready to talk give us a call. GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS COUNTRY
@SEKSYNIC , Well said. I watched a lot of these videos. Have you noticed how Bin Laden has really let himself go? He's gotten real fat, although I do like his shorter hair and shave. That beard was ugly.
The torture was because they were manufacturing evidence. If they had it, they wouldn't have to torture him 183 times. Also they tortured his children.
Torture CAN work. It can show a guy that his captors mean business. interrogators don't just find out what bad guys KNOW they're saying-they also figure out what they DON'T think they're saying. You stress them out, they start making mistakes in their tactics of prevarication.
Waterboarding the guy 183 times-ridiculous. Granted, he's an animal, murdering all those innocent people...but who would do that to an animal? The people who waterboarded him that much are pretty demented.
The US DOES do this to american troops, specifically mainly pilots in seer school, which is basically evasion tactics and interrogation tactics, its not torture you bunch of pussys, its a reasonable amount of discomfort that leaves no permanent physical injuries
@crumber Are you familiar with the United Nations Convention Against Torture?
Read its definition of torture, and you will find that "intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity"
THAT IS TORTURE AND YOU ARE BREAKING INTERNATIONAL LAW AND GOD WILL PUNISH YOU ALL!
waterboarding is not torture, it doesnt leave permanent injury...psychological? maybe, but these terrorists have valuable info....and fyi the US waterboards their own troops for training. would we really torture our own guys? no
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Waterboarding torture? No! Listening to "The Young Turds" Now that's torture. Maybe, they should have the terrorist listen to these idiots spew their stupid logic for awhile, then they would figure out America doesn't need to be attacked, we are attacking ourselves from within. The enemy is the liberal mind and it must be defeated. 2010 elections here we come. Vote conservative, save America!
There's good and bad in every party. The liberals have more of the bad and will destroy America if allowed to continue. I would rather have a Robber Baron give me a job than the federal government. A robber barons ambitions eventually rest but, a liberal government never rests. It will pursue the people and make sure the misery they inflict is spread equally (like Cuba)and will do it without conscience nor the consent of its citizens.
@samspade1957 Hahahahahaha! Robber Baron's ambitions rest? Bullshit! If Republicans keep America going down the road we're going politics will be controlled by corperations. You think your voice is heard in congress? HA! Politicians on every side of political spectrum are taking money from corperations. All made possible by Reagan.
Liberals are not Communists by the way. Lol otherwise you've never been to Europe, because Liberals there really ARE in the left.
@madfighter56 Yeah. They only also ruined the economy for everyone gambling for money. But what do they care? They're rich, and they use our money to gamble. So why should they care what happens to it?
And I mean, does it really matter so much that the people no longer have a real voice in congress? I guess the system works so we should keep it. Even if that means letting greedy politicians sell out our country.
Torture is totally unacceptable, anywhere on earth, wherever its found ... It's nothing to be proud of ... imagine this being done to Americans, OMG, we would think it so-ooo cruel and barbaric (as it is). This is the New Dark Ages and we helped to usher it in. Torture is terrorism.
@hint0122 re: "To make someone who gets off watching you die talk" - Are you suggesting we use torture and waterboarding on our own American criminals and murderers? Many of them apparently love to watch us die. Shall we go back to the day of Salem Witchcraft trials; history ended torture for a good reason, because it doesn't work. Many people will confess to anything under physical or psychological duress. So incredibly weird, that we're even discussing torture in 2010.
"Torture is totally unacceptable, anywhere on earth, wherever its found ... It's nothing to be proud of ... imagine this being done to Americans..."
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Yes, and having to endlessly listen to Palin, Cheney, Beck, Bachmann and the other far right fringe wingnuts is torture for Americans who can think for themselves.
CONSERVITIVE RESPONSE: An excellent question! The answer is that it takes 183 times to waterboard an animal so that he tells us where the bomb is and where his friends are. How ells are you suppost to get info out of him that can save lives? ASK HIM? SAY PLEASE?
This idiot is nothing short of a traitor. He is alright that over 300 Americans were murdered on our soil. Hey you socialist fathead, what's 183 times against what this prick did. Also, did you know that he personally sawed Daniel Pearl's head off.
So if we unleash a wrath worse then what they have done to us, doesn't that stoop us to a level 183 times lower than them? If they attack us why do we repeat the same offense but worse? You're just as judgemental as muzzleflash callin anyone who disagrees a communist. Use your brain.
If you kill our citizens in cold blood, the very least you can expect is 183 waterboard tortures. It doesn't make us lower than them. It makes them fear us. By the way, I won't call you a communist. You are just an idiot.
Common sense greshamweed. The Americans feared middle easterns after the attacks so whoever supports those who attacked us is twisted. Now we're going to do the same thing back? Spreading fear? There is nothing resolved here. We're simply copying their basic idea of how to gain the attention of the people we have a problem with. And don't question my intellect just because I dont believe in unnecessary revenge tactics.
@jeffdapimpbutler I don't question your intellect, because you have none! What you are unable to grasp is the difference between defending your homeland and blowing up buildings and people in a foriegn land!
CONSERVITIVE RESPONSE: An excellent question! The answer is that it takes 183 times to waterboard an animal so that he tells us where the bomb is and where his friends are. How ells are you suppost to get info out of him that can save lives? ASK HIM? SAY PLEASE?
@greshamweed Fear you? America? Your a joke! BTW Im Canadian. If you waterboarded me, afterwards I would plant IED's in your shopping malls, schools, roads, highways, hospitals, everywhere i could! Would you like to waterboard me now? How about try an invasion? Im sure you could take a country as big as canada and control it faster and better than you havent controlled afghanistan or iraq or vietnam! useless yankee television generation SCUM
Go buy your kids some I-phones you CONSUMER PUPPET!
@mattmatt115 Your Canadian? Who the fuck cares aboot Canadians? The only things you know aboot are Alanis Morriset is pissed, Rush and the rest of your RnR bands are cocksookers, half your country are gay french and the other half give up 80% of their income for a free fuckin' flu shot. You can't have guns cos' you might shoot of your retarded friend's head! Stick to what you know best, Canadian bacon, pretending you have a military and spending every waking moment obsessing on the USA!!!!
@greshamweed What do i need a military for? What does it do for me? I have 3 rifles and a shotgun pal, im pretty fucking sure i will take care of myself. And you think we dont have guns? Come see me and you wont be going home faggot
@mattmatt115 Hey Canadian bacon, You have four whole guns>> Well latti-freakin"-dahhh...You must be the Canadian infantry. My whole image of you is blown!!! I bet you have a swiss army knife and a fishing pole too....that makes you the most outdoorsy Canadian ever right?? you're still a socialist, bacon eating , Geddy Lee listening, have a joke of a football league watching, wish your country had half the balls the USA does, DILDO EATER!!!!
@greshamweed Canadian bacon? WTF are you on? I dont even eat bacon it causes heart disease like you fat fuck suffer from
LOL canadian infantry!?!? HAHAHAHA no there in afghanistan fighting your war the past 9 years, but anyway
and dildo eater? really? is that what a yankee comes back with? Are you serious.. that is pathetic, you really dont have any real arguments do you? Just another braindead lost soul wandering about!
and i dont see why i would need anymore than 4 guns? why would i? LOL
@mattmatt115 Keep talking shmuckface, I bet it makes you feel good, doesn't it? Just bury your head in the proverbial Canadian sand you mutant and sing Oh Canada while the good ol' USA fights your fight for you! As far as guns goes, you are a lite-weight pal!!!!!!
@greshamweed What fight is ours? And what fight are YOU fighting for Canada? Last time i checked, no country on earth has "picked a fight" with us since 1812 and that was your ancestors were the invaders, and it didnt work out so well for your side
Now if the Canadian shield was made of sand, i would go put my head in it, Unfortuanetly, its composed of igneous rock which is too hard for me to do that, so i wont.
And yes, i do like talking, i get my opinion out in the open!
@mattmatt115 Yeah, you have no shortage of opinions. You know what amazes me though( and you are no exception) is that Canadians are constantly sticking their ham-smelling nose in the business of the USA! If you don't like us and think we are all so stupid......but the fuck out!
Oh and "ancestors"???...1812???WTF! We all have the same ancestors, that's why the USA fights for freedom for all!! The sand is ignoreance my friend and you are in it right now!
@greshamweed LOL Wait a minute... An american, telling someone else, to mind their own business? ARE YOU KIDDING HAHA
That is absolutely PRICELESS!
And no, my nose does not smell like ham, or bacon, as you had suggested it may have earlier.
My point about 1812 was that you said America is fighting CANADA'S war, sorry but there isnt a war that belongs to Canada. Nobody has invaded or attacked us since 1812, and with our friends we forced them back to where they came
@mattmatt115 Oh. My bad. Canada's the greatest nation ever! Why, just the threat of their overwhelming military mite has thwarted any invasion! It has nothing to do with the fact that weak little USA is their neighbor! You would all be speaking German or Japanese if it weren't for us!
But don't thank us. Just keep blaming us for all of the ills in the world!
And you're right. No wars belong to you. Also, no massive relief efforts belong to you.
No i intended to use that many, so, you could, keep up with, the sentence.
Actually while you were busy fueling the insurgency in Iraq, we, along with the UK, France, Australia, Georgia, and NATO were rebuliding the destruction your bombs caused in Afghanistan. Now that you abandonded Iraq and have 50,000 "noncombat troops" there which engage in combat, you finally come to finish the mess you started. ITS ABOUT TIME BIG BAD USA, here we thought you could handle two 3rd world countries at once
Canada sent PPCLI, (Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry) and Lord Strathcona's Horse which is a mechanized brigade, these were the 2500 guys who controlled Kandahar and region, and a PRT which was an acronym asigned to the "Provincial Reconstruction Team" which was a military force who provide a reconstruction capacity, reverse osmosis machines, wells, hospitals, medicine, roads, electricity, sewers WHILE YOU WERE BLOWING UP IRAQ
@greshamweed When did i say Canada has an overwhelming military mite? What invasion are you talking about? We have only been invaded once and we repelled the invaders. Oh yeah, because the USA fought off all the invaders in the ocean before they got here, i forgot! And guess what
I DO SPEAK GERMAN and i also speak ENGLISH
And im certainly not worried about the Japanese, the germans would have nuked them too once they were done with Europe, and finished their bomb. Just went a little crazy, sad
...u don't get it do you? no one is talking about what he deserved. it's about whether or not it was worth it, you know at the price of our integrity...well 183 times doesn't sound effective.
You're not an america hater just because you disagree with something an american did. If my friend beats somebody to a bloody pulp for punching him & I tell him that was too far, do I hate them? No. You're judgemental and you didnt even consider his arguement
How the hell do you know he did anything? Did he fucking fly a plane into a building?? how did he surive?? and HOW THE FUCK is Saeed Al-Ghamdi still flying planes in Tunisia!?! I thought he became one with the WTC?
Abdul Aziz Al-Omari, still flying for Saudia Arabia Airlines, well thats weird, i thought he crashed into the building? Resilient little buggers these "terrorists" are?
Waleed Al Sheri was interviewed (alive) by the BBC AFTER 9/23/01 claiming he did not fly plane into WTC (OBVIOUS)
@mattmatt115 I hope when all hell breaks loose in a very short time that terrorist sympathizers like yourself come begging for food, shelter, and protection from the American scum you hate so bad. Are you so deluded and ignorant to believe for a second that they won't cut off your head as quickly as they would any American's? You sound like a raging lunatic so stay the fuck out of the country we love for your own good and please don't breed. btw, I will not read your reply. LOL
@muzzleflash7 If someone came here to cut my fucking head, they had better be skilled in dodging .303 lee enfield, or if they get to close, a 12ga
A human would die just as fast as any moose bear or deer. Now, the food. I dont give a fuck who mass produces my food, because i can hunt, i can trap, i can gather, i can fish. I can also garden, and you know what, I DO ALL OF THESE. Why? I was raised to fend for myself, so if the grocery store doesnt have food, its no matter! i will hunt and fish!
@muzzleflash7 And no, i dont have sympathy for terrorists, whether they be american, saudi, russian, chechen, african, sri lankan, or chinese!
I do however unconditionally value the sanctity of life. Life is beautiful, its beautiful to me whether its the life of someone in our western culture, or if its a life from someone in a middle eastern culture that has been raped and manipulated by the west. they are still people, fighting with what means they can grasp
@theoneali it offends me when you liberal pussies whine when we "torture" the 9/11 mastermind and bash the country simply because you hate bush and anything he does, you liberal pussies care way too much how the muslim word perceives the US, KSM was responsible for killing nearly 3000 AMERICANS! and you're worried about pouring some water on him, if only the 3000 victims and their families had that option. move to canada you pathetic douche bag
@theoneali i didnt agree with the Iraq war, and its nowhere near millions, answer this question if you were a POW what country would you rather be a prison of the US or any other country/islamic tribe?
@TheUnitedStatists yeah its nowhere near a million ACCORDING to fox, cnn, etc etc....however human rights and charity organisations say its well above 1 million since sanctions were imposed...to answer your question-its well known that the U.S transports suspects to its puppet allied states such as egypt/tunisia and many many many other countries so that those states can torture the suspects FOR the U.S....the puppet leaders in those states will do the dirty work for the U.S...go figure
@theoneali no other super power in history treats prisoners better than we do, listen to yourself, we pour some water on a man who masterminded the deaths of almost 3000 people, and you're worried about his human rights? and how the rest of the world perceives the United States? Like i said before you belong at the DOJ or some position in this wimpy administration.
@TheUnitedStatists hahaha lol stop embarrassing yourself...children get raped and tortured in your prisons especially in iraq and afghanistan....stop defending the undefendable you stupid torture loving asshole....the world sees the U.S U.K and israel for what they really are...grade A terrorist states...
@theoneali i feel the exact same way about you, are you still here? why arent you on a plane to the middle east to exact your jihad revenge on this evil country
@theoneali id love to just kick the shit out of you terrorist loving ass, id take 1000 illegal aliens over your bitch ass, they atleastt somewhat appreciate this country
@TheUnitedStatists hahaha thank you for displaying your igorance and losing all your credibilty with that last statement...sums up the term 'brainwashed yuppy' very well
@TheUnitedStatists We care how the muslim world thinks about us, because, there are BILLIONS OF THEM. There are MILLIONS in the USA
Did you ever stop to fucking think in your facist fairland MAYBE we might tip the bucket and unleash a global fucking jihad against ourselves, THUS starting EXPONENTIALLY MORE PROBLEMS AND EXPLOSIONS AND DEATH AND TERRORISM!??!! ARE YOU THAT FUCKING DILUTED?!?!
I hope you and your family get beheaded by extremist muslims
American torture method are not all that bad when you compare it to other country if you are taken a POW. In fact, those method sounds so sissy, I don't think they even work, that's why there's no result from the middle east.
you would want to torture them yourself, just like me
you would want to stick a knife between there skin and finger nail, then cut there fingers off and then toes, make them take a bath in vineger, and let them die a slow, painful death.
in our country they are given rights, and lawyers.
TYT is aginst torture because they dont like there cousins brothers and uncles being treated so badly.
I am pro-torture
i wonder why instead of going after terrorists who want us to die, because we are "infidel's" we continue to prosecute these agents who try to keep you safe
think of it this way.
imagine if your mom, dad, sister, or brother had been killed by these terrorists.
TORTURE-the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information.
If water boarding doesnt work, no matter how many times we tried it, how did we get the information out of them
why do you asshole liberals care so much about the rights of terrorists?
if the tables were turned and we were cought in theyre country, they'd drag us through the streets, make you watch as they murdered and raped your family, then slowly, painfully, kill you
Now b4 I slam Clinton and Obama just know that I have my reasons and its not to prove anything to a dumbass Dittohead who does not understand why Defense, State and CIA, National Security people should have offered their resignations after 911.
Its a damn shame on this nation that any of you alleged Conservtive Republicans still managed to try and speak on issues where the evidence is overwhelming that u r total Fuck ups.
They are not preparing for the worst because they expect it to happen; they are preparing for the worst because it could happen. They are only allowed to hold them under for a short period of time which is probably why they must dunk the prisoners 183 times. And ahhh they're prisoners of war what rights do they have. I would hardly call waterboarding anything more than a tough interrogation technique.
you still deserve the same basic rights as any other human, no matter if you violate those rights against other people. are you in favour of the death penalty? i am not: it's the government's responsibility to the health of citizens. death is the worst state of health possible. death penalty=inducing extremely bad health. besides, what is a worse punishment? dying quick and easy, or being locked away forever, cut off from the sunshine, birds chirping, etc. forever to slowly go insane alone?
waterboarding is when, as a method of torture, someone's head is held under water making the victim believe they are about to die by drowning.
This is done in an attempt to scare the shit out of someone enough to make them give up whatever information is wanted or face the same treatment again.
Ah, gotta love liberals. They ever think what happens when an al-queda member acquires a us or allied troop? Im sure they do worse things than we do. I'd torture them till.. i dont know.. till i got tired of it. They were the ones who are trying to kill us remember? Wow liberals have so much common sense to them. No we cant treat this prisoner who just killed my buddy in combat badly.. oooohhh noo thats just stupid.. we need to care for him and let him live and then we may negiotiate peacefully.
Really all of u Fake Conservative Republican Parrot-brain Ditto-heads need to shut up. The nation and the world is long since tired of ur dumb opinions about issues of politics and religion. U don't matter anymore now there's a global economy. U can't compete because ur Affirmative Action Good Ole Boy network is over and u have to compete earnestly with the Chinese, Brasilians, Arabs and Indians 4 world resources. U r losing and scared because u never were qualified 4 the lifestyle u have.
I would vote water boards for public use and purchase! put em in WATER PARKS. For masochists only! In fact, i would alter the machine so it would spin at 2 G's and tilt over every two minutes into a bowl of hot steaming oat meal. Loads of fun! Hahhhheaheahahaahhhaaaaaaaa!!!!
Zack your a fucking retard. If we're not hurting them then why are they dying? Many have been proven to not be connected at all with what they were charged with BUT DIED. sick huh.. I know you only care about your own country and will probably blowup tons of innocents as long as it's in the name of God BLESS AMERIKAHHHHH. But don't cry when it blows up in your face and you turn otherwise sympathetic foreigners against America and further support our image as the top terrorist and bully worldwide
Really? Monsters? You're calling the people that kept you safe all these years Monsters? You are fucked up. Get out of this country and live in Russia where they tolerate that.
We didn't. Only twice caused Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to give up Bin Laden’s Courier who in turn gave the Navy SEALs Bin Laden.
Stupid liberal prick.
MrJoeDrager 2 months ago
I laugh when people think torture doesn't work, they have this hollywood idea of the guy who won't 'break', and will just spread dis-info till he dies. Now imagine yourself being tortured, perhaps mutilated, you'd tell everything you ever knew in short order. Sure you get junk info in the mix, but in there will be the truth, almost every time. Note I'm not discussing the morality, just the efficacy.
northroad1 3 months ago
"Congressmen who willfully take action during wartime that damages morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hung"
- Abraham Lincoln
PercyCTV 6 months ago
Well this is actually a fallacy. John McCain god bless him finally broke after extreme torture for prolonged periods of time. He is an American hero, to an ineffable degree. Torture works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't but the point is that it's immoral and a violation of our covenant with GOD. Cheney cheney you can't hide we charrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgee you with Genocide.
Surprise1776 8 months ago
Göring just followed orders when he build the concentrationcamps, why was he even in trial?
Ultramaggy 8 months ago
They said water boarding worked. They didn't say it was instantaneous. As far as following orders go... I don't know what rules the CIA fall under, but in the military you can be held responsible if you knowingly follow a non-lawful order.
My personal opinion is: If I know the person the person in front of me has directly caused the death of innocent people and he has knowledge that can save the lives of more innocent people, then anything goes and I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
diver0129 9 months ago
TALK PLEASE ABOUT WATERBOARDING OUR OWN USA CHILDREN AS "TRAINING"TO BECOME SPY-MOST DIE-see aaron mccollum, duncan o'finioan, obrien-cia child torture include waterboarding near death at 4 y o child-to create dissociation (amnesia) which can be use in a spy by cia/military assignments(so spy cant divulge mission under torture bc need key word or sound to access the memory)-also so spy or soldier cant refuse the work bc they obey triggers-theyre reflex robots(hypnotized/programmed under torture)
lmollot 9 months ago
hahahahahhaa omfg this guy is so fucking stupid.
Fatcowmanz 11 months ago
this guy is a young turk? go fuck yourself......you fool.
russianspy19677691 1 year ago
@russianspy19677691 go fuck yourself..... dick
aurkomaitra 8 months ago
cant they tickel them for 2 soild hours
sirbestnameever 1 year ago
"If the President can do it, it's legal."
If that was really the mentality they had with this issue, it's scary. Where is the freedom and liberty in /that/? Isn't that the mentality that some of of America's most significant enemies of the past like Nazi Germany, Japan, and the Soviet Union were going with?
hirothemouse 1 year ago 12
@hirothemouse
Good point... but do not be naive my friend. You have to be aware of the kind of double standards that present themselves throughout all human history. History is written (and subsequently dictated to the future youth) by the VICTORS... who thus will always be perceived as the "good guys". That has ALWAYS been the case, for better or worse.
bobshenix 1 year ago
@bobshenix Believe me. I'm Japanese and I know exactly what you mean. It's just that no other country in the world has an identity built on what could potentially be wonderful ideals for ppl. So many Americans like Cenk, Ana, and many others argue their views because they are fully aware of them. And the reality is that America's identity seems to be twisted to justify actions like torturing, nuking, sending people to concentration camps, and witch hunting "UnAmerican" activity. It's really sad
hirothemouse 1 year ago 7
@hirothemouse If you're Japanese, u haf no rite to be so self-righteous about 'torture, nuking, sending people to concentration camps'. Don't u know about japanese actrocrities in WW!!??? Sadistic moron
killerchipmunkattack 9 months ago
@killerchipmunkattack I'm not responsible for these things. What Japan did in WWII were terrible, and they should never be justified, but If I get criticized for these things just because of where I call home, I'm getting a burden that I don't deserve. I'm not criticizing Americans. I think there are tons of Americans who are saddened by waterboarding and related events. I'd rather criticize those that /are/ responsible for these things, and those who send the message of justification.
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im4wur2 4 months ago
Torture works. water boarding is just the happy version. there is far more horrible things that can be done. I.E. cutting off fingers slowly/sawing off a foot poisons etc.
GamzaTheChaosSoldier 1 year ago
@GamzaTheChaosSoldier
any one can do horrible things
it doesnt mean it works....ppl will say anything u want to stop the torture
girlcalledaish 9 months ago
dude you need to be water-boarded. save me from you stupidity
jswee217 1 year ago
Who do we prosecute? we must PERSECUTE Bush, and Cheney.
Zeldagigafan90210 1 year ago 2
To all you Marxists:
When this nation is restored by patriotic Americans, we will do much more than waterboard. This is going to be fun. The party starts on Nov 2nd.
muzzleflash7 1 year ago
But in any case, if there was a civil war in the USA tommorow morning, i would not be going to work, i would be crossing the border (heavily armed) at sault ste marie, and i would actually be comming to HELP YOU
Why? Because as angry as we both are with the situation our nations are in, we are powerless until a catalyst is lit off
Mark my words, should that day come in my able bodied lifetime, as much as you think i hate Americans or something (false) i would be YOUR brother in arms, friend!
mattmatt115 1 year ago
@muzzleflash7 Amen my brother!!!
greshamweed 1 year ago
@muzzleflash7 i'm sorry that you don't recognize cenk's overwhelming patriotism. he loves this country so much which is why he wants to protect the rights of all americans. not just conservative, ignorant, white ones.
dannyledwith21 1 year ago
Fuck Obama. I'm not going to forget how he let this appauling shit pass by. "I'm for looking forward" he said. Fuck him.
sartrekk 1 year ago
A bunch of pathetic morons seem to have more compassion for the terrorist than they do for victims they kill in cold blood. Water board them 1000 times, smash their noses, break their arms, if it saves innocent American lives then by all means do it.
greatland2 1 year ago
@greatland2 'innocent american lives' lol gimme a fucking break....
theoneali 1 year ago
@theoneali hmm I don't see what so funny about innocent American lives but whatever.
greatland2 1 year ago
@greatland2 nothing funny about ANY murdered innocent life......
theoneali 1 year ago
"I was just following orders!" was the most common "excuse" at the Nuremberg Trials!
grozde 1 year ago
its the fear of torture that works, not merely the pain, but the fear of receiving more pain. its completely psychological and is less effective against the strong willed.
menace1403 1 year ago
I know cenk, you douche, its simple he didn't talk the first 182 times
TheUnitedStatists 1 year ago
1.) waterboarding works...and it isn't torture.
2.) why did they question him AFTER he answered from 37 seconds of waterboarding? you won't like the answer, but this is it. you get the answer, then you have to confirm it. if he changed his story after he started talking, they administered more waterboarding to get to the real story and past the cover stories that these suspects have been trained to have.
i wish we didn't do this.
i also wish people didn't use terror to attack us
KEV8551 1 year ago
Torture doesn't work. Anyone who thinks it does and supports it should get out of the United States. I used to think this country stood for something, I guess nowadays thats not very true. We're not better then the people we're against.
StirItUP1973 1 year ago
cause we got 187 answers!
TheHabit00 1 year ago
Nice Guy Eddie: If you fucking beat this prick long enough, he'll tell you he started the goddamn Chicago fire, now that don't necessarily make it fucking so!
Toture and war go together like blacks and ashy elbows..
zombiejon 1 year ago
Torture should only be given to those who deserve it. These would include murderers, rapists, and especially terrorists. If torture was performed, then people would be scared and would think twice before doing something mindless and stupid such as committing crimes.
Critic863 1 year ago
Torture is cruel but waterbording is a walk in the park compared to what soldiers in Iraq go through. Some are tied to the back of a car, set on fire, dragged around, then hung. This Is what real torture is but for some reason when we found the man responsible we felt bad for him because he received a fat lip when he was captured!! I really dont see what is so bad about this method at all anymore I would feel lucky getting waterborded over the other type.
madfighter56 1 year ago
far worse has been done to americans and most likely by americans, if this is what we DO know about, i can only imagine
actucke 1 year ago
The Young Terks are complete MORONS. the reason they had to do it 183 times is because you pussys would scream if they started cutting off fingers. You make no sense whatsoever. what would you like us do put them up in hotels and when they are ready to talk give us a call. GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS COUNTRY
SEKSYNIC 1 year ago
@SEKSYNIC , Well said. I watched a lot of these videos. Have you noticed how Bin Laden has really let himself go? He's gotten real fat, although I do like his shorter hair and shave. That beard was ugly.
dave4248 1 year ago
@SEKSYNIC its funny because when we find the man responsible for the backwater security guard murders we fucking defend him
madfighter56 1 year ago
@madfighter56
I think you Blackwater? BTW Obama renewed their contract when he took office.
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bbossin 1 year ago
The torture was because they were manufacturing evidence. If they had it, they wouldn't have to torture him 183 times. Also they tortured his children.
bbossin 1 year ago
Torture CAN work. It can show a guy that his captors mean business. interrogators don't just find out what bad guys KNOW they're saying-they also figure out what they DON'T think they're saying. You stress them out, they start making mistakes in their tactics of prevarication.
Waterboarding the guy 183 times-ridiculous. Granted, he's an animal, murdering all those innocent people...but who would do that to an animal? The people who waterboarded him that much are pretty demented.
mediumwe11 1 year ago
you people are idiots
The US DOES do this to american troops, specifically mainly pilots in seer school, which is basically evasion tactics and interrogation tactics, its not torture you bunch of pussys, its a reasonable amount of discomfort that leaves no permanent physical injuries
crumber 1 year ago
@crumber Are you familiar with the United Nations Convention Against Torture?
Read its definition of torture, and you will find that "intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity"
THAT IS TORTURE AND YOU ARE BREAKING INTERNATIONAL LAW AND GOD WILL PUNISH YOU ALL!
mattmatt115 1 year ago
waterboarding is not torture, it doesnt leave permanent injury...psychological? maybe, but these terrorists have valuable info....and fyi the US waterboards their own troops for training. would we really torture our own guys? no
crumber 1 year ago
why does TYT try to logic all the hateful people to death. It just doesn't work that way.
mohedd 1 year ago
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Waterboarding torture? No! Listening to "The Young Turds" Now that's torture. Maybe, they should have the terrorist listen to these idiots spew their stupid logic for awhile, then they would figure out America doesn't need to be attacked, we are attacking ourselves from within. The enemy is the liberal mind and it must be defeated. 2010 elections here we come. Vote conservative, save America!
samspade1957 1 year ago
@samspade1957 You mean Vote Fascism? Destroy America?
Republicans are trying to ruin America to save Corporations.
CommandoDude 1 year ago
Commando:
There's good and bad in every party. The liberals have more of the bad and will destroy America if allowed to continue. I would rather have a Robber Baron give me a job than the federal government. A robber barons ambitions eventually rest but, a liberal government never rests. It will pursue the people and make sure the misery they inflict is spread equally (like Cuba)and will do it without conscience nor the consent of its citizens.
samspade1957 1 year ago
@samspade1957 Hahahahahaha! Robber Baron's ambitions rest? Bullshit! If Republicans keep America going down the road we're going politics will be controlled by corperations. You think your voice is heard in congress? HA! Politicians on every side of political spectrum are taking money from corperations. All made possible by Reagan.
Liberals are not Communists by the way. Lol otherwise you've never been to Europe, because Liberals there really ARE in the left.
CommandoDude 1 year ago
@CommandoDude well its the corporations that make all the jobs and employment you idiot so maybe thats why we saved them.
madfighter56 1 year ago
@madfighter56 Yeah. They only also ruined the economy for everyone gambling for money. But what do they care? They're rich, and they use our money to gamble. So why should they care what happens to it?
And I mean, does it really matter so much that the people no longer have a real voice in congress? I guess the system works so we should keep it. Even if that means letting greedy politicians sell out our country.
CommandoDude 1 year ago
@madfighter56 And thats called, COMMUNISM you fucking communist nuclear TERRORIST
mattmatt115 1 year ago
@mattmatt115 lmao those are some big words tough guy.
madfighter56 1 year ago
@madfighter56 You wanna see how big a hole a .303 leaves in your chest?
mattmatt115 1 year ago
@mattmatt115 some one 4got their meds lol
madfighter56 1 year ago
@madfighter56 no actually they're in a light green pile about 1/4 ounce worth infront of me on the desk i been taking them all night
mattmatt115 1 year ago
@madfighter56 consuming queer
mattmatt115 1 year ago
@madfighter56 ill still rub ur belly tho come here ugly baby!!!!
mattmatt115 1 year ago
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i consider listening to obama to be touture. maybe he should be charged.
hint0122 1 year ago
Torture is totally unacceptable, anywhere on earth, wherever its found ... It's nothing to be proud of ... imagine this being done to Americans, OMG, we would think it so-ooo cruel and barbaric (as it is). This is the New Dark Ages and we helped to usher it in. Torture is terrorism.
cakemix2 1 year ago 8
if you have a better way to make someone who gets off watching you die talk, go work for the CIA
hint0122 1 year ago
@hint0122 re: "To make someone who gets off watching you die talk" - Are you suggesting we use torture and waterboarding on our own American criminals and murderers? Many of them apparently love to watch us die. Shall we go back to the day of Salem Witchcraft trials; history ended torture for a good reason, because it doesn't work. Many people will confess to anything under physical or psychological duress. So incredibly weird, that we're even discussing torture in 2010.
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@cakemix2
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"Torture is totally unacceptable, anywhere on earth, wherever its found ... It's nothing to be proud of ... imagine this being done to Americans..."
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Yes, and having to endlessly listen to Palin, Cheney, Beck, Bachmann and the other far right fringe wingnuts is torture for Americans who can think for themselves.
p3snooper 1 year ago
Because the guy is a muslim terrorist.
Keep your islamic agenda to yourself.
MuslimAgenda 1 year ago
Because 182 times wasn't enough, and 184 times would be overkill.
What kind of dumb question is this?
bighitter42 1 year ago
If you torture someone enough they will tell you they are Elvis if thats what you want to hear. . .
kirbienstien 1 year ago
@kirbienstien How many people have you tortured?
greshamweed 1 year ago
@greshamweed speaking from history
kirbienstien 1 year ago
@kirbienstien History says it has workrd many times.
greshamweed 1 year ago
CONSERVITIVE RESPONSE: An excellent question! The answer is that it takes 183 times to waterboard an animal so that he tells us where the bomb is and where his friends are. How ells are you suppost to get info out of him that can save lives? ASK HIM? SAY PLEASE?
TheyHearUsNow 2 years ago
you spelled that wrong.
also: you're stupid.
v0ks1 1 year ago
@v0ks1 You forgot to capitalize "you" and "also".
Also, you should have put a comma after "also".
Now you are stupid.
greshamweed 1 year ago
@greshamweed FTW
videogameplayer003 1 year ago
You cant call me an idiot because you dont even know me and you just lost the arguement.
TheyHearUsNow 1 year ago
This idiot is nothing short of a traitor. He is alright that over 300 Americans were murdered on our soil. Hey you socialist fathead, what's 183 times against what this prick did. Also, did you know that he personally sawed Daniel Pearl's head off.
You socialist America-hater.
muzzleflash7 2 years ago
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Totally agree muzzleflash! The fact that we waterboarded the same guy 183 times, you could argue, proves it worked many times!
The sick motherfuckers who attack us deserve nothing less than our FULL WRATH!!!!
And this faggot prick needs to be waterboarded too.
To those who give me a thumbs down....SUCK IT YOU COMMIE FUCKERS!!!
greshamweed 2 years ago
So if we unleash a wrath worse then what they have done to us, doesn't that stoop us to a level 183 times lower than them? If they attack us why do we repeat the same offense but worse? You're just as judgemental as muzzleflash callin anyone who disagrees a communist. Use your brain.
jeffdapimpbutler 2 years ago
@jeffdapimpbutler Read this carefully-
If you kill our citizens in cold blood, the very least you can expect is 183 waterboard tortures. It doesn't make us lower than them. It makes them fear us. By the way, I won't call you a communist. You are just an idiot.
greshamweed 2 years ago
Common sense greshamweed. The Americans feared middle easterns after the attacks so whoever supports those who attacked us is twisted. Now we're going to do the same thing back? Spreading fear? There is nothing resolved here. We're simply copying their basic idea of how to gain the attention of the people we have a problem with. And don't question my intellect just because I dont believe in unnecessary revenge tactics.
jeffdapimpbutler 2 years ago
@jeffdapimpbutler I don't question your intellect, because you have none! What you are unable to grasp is the difference between defending your homeland and blowing up buildings and people in a foriegn land!
greshamweed 1 year ago
CONSERVITIVE RESPONSE: An excellent question! The answer is that it takes 183 times to waterboard an animal so that he tells us where the bomb is and where his friends are. How ells are you suppost to get info out of him that can save lives? ASK HIM? SAY PLEASE?
TheyHearUsNow 2 years ago
@greshamweed Fear you? America? Your a joke! BTW Im Canadian. If you waterboarded me, afterwards I would plant IED's in your shopping malls, schools, roads, highways, hospitals, everywhere i could! Would you like to waterboard me now? How about try an invasion? Im sure you could take a country as big as canada and control it faster and better than you havent controlled afghanistan or iraq or vietnam! useless yankee television generation SCUM
Go buy your kids some I-phones you CONSUMER PUPPET!
mattmatt115 1 year ago
@mattmatt115 Your Canadian? Who the fuck cares aboot Canadians? The only things you know aboot are Alanis Morriset is pissed, Rush and the rest of your RnR bands are cocksookers, half your country are gay french and the other half give up 80% of their income for a free fuckin' flu shot. You can't have guns cos' you might shoot of your retarded friend's head! Stick to what you know best, Canadian bacon, pretending you have a military and spending every waking moment obsessing on the USA!!!!
greshamweed 1 year ago
@greshamweed What do i need a military for? What does it do for me? I have 3 rifles and a shotgun pal, im pretty fucking sure i will take care of myself. And you think we dont have guns? Come see me and you wont be going home faggot
mattmatt115 1 year ago
@mattmatt115 Hey Canadian bacon, You have four whole guns>> Well latti-freakin"-dahhh...You must be the Canadian infantry. My whole image of you is blown!!! I bet you have a swiss army knife and a fishing pole too....that makes you the most outdoorsy Canadian ever right?? you're still a socialist, bacon eating , Geddy Lee listening, have a joke of a football league watching, wish your country had half the balls the USA does, DILDO EATER!!!!
greshamweed 1 year ago
@greshamweed Canadian bacon? WTF are you on? I dont even eat bacon it causes heart disease like you fat fuck suffer from
LOL canadian infantry!?!? HAHAHAHA no there in afghanistan fighting your war the past 9 years, but anyway
and dildo eater? really? is that what a yankee comes back with? Are you serious.. that is pathetic, you really dont have any real arguments do you? Just another braindead lost soul wandering about!
and i dont see why i would need anymore than 4 guns? why would i? LOL
mattmatt115 1 year ago
@mattmatt115 Keep talking shmuckface, I bet it makes you feel good, doesn't it? Just bury your head in the proverbial Canadian sand you mutant and sing Oh Canada while the good ol' USA fights your fight for you! As far as guns goes, you are a lite-weight pal!!!!!!
greshamweed 1 year ago
@greshamweed What fight is ours? And what fight are YOU fighting for Canada? Last time i checked, no country on earth has "picked a fight" with us since 1812 and that was your ancestors were the invaders, and it didnt work out so well for your side
Now if the Canadian shield was made of sand, i would go put my head in it, Unfortuanetly, its composed of igneous rock which is too hard for me to do that, so i wont.
And yes, i do like talking, i get my opinion out in the open!
mattmatt115 1 year ago
@mattmatt115 Yeah, you have no shortage of opinions. You know what amazes me though( and you are no exception) is that Canadians are constantly sticking their ham-smelling nose in the business of the USA! If you don't like us and think we are all so stupid......but the fuck out!
Oh and "ancestors"???...1812???WTF! We all have the same ancestors, that's why the USA fights for freedom for all!! The sand is ignoreance my friend and you are in it right now!
greshamweed 1 year ago
@greshamweed LOL Wait a minute... An american, telling someone else, to mind their own business? ARE YOU KIDDING HAHA
That is absolutely PRICELESS!
And no, my nose does not smell like ham, or bacon, as you had suggested it may have earlier.
My point about 1812 was that you said America is fighting CANADA'S war, sorry but there isnt a war that belongs to Canada. Nobody has invaded or attacked us since 1812, and with our friends we forced them back to where they came
Try to be open minded
mattmatt115 1 year ago
@mattmatt115 Oh. My bad. Canada's the greatest nation ever! Why, just the threat of their overwhelming military mite has thwarted any invasion! It has nothing to do with the fact that weak little USA is their neighbor! You would all be speaking German or Japanese if it weren't for us!
But don't thank us. Just keep blaming us for all of the ills in the world!
And you're right. No wars belong to you. Also, no massive relief efforts belong to you.
greshamweed 1 year ago
Also, no freeing of oppressed people belong to you.
Also, no overthrowing of murderous dictators belongs to you.
Also, no miracles of medicine belongs to you.
Also, no good football belongs to you!!!!!!!!
greshamweed 1 year ago
Also, you used, too many, commas in your, opening sentence of, your last, post.
greshamweed 1 year ago
No i intended to use that many, so, you could, keep up with, the sentence.
Actually while you were busy fueling the insurgency in Iraq, we, along with the UK, France, Australia, Georgia, and NATO were rebuliding the destruction your bombs caused in Afghanistan. Now that you abandonded Iraq and have 50,000 "noncombat troops" there which engage in combat, you finally come to finish the mess you started. ITS ABOUT TIME BIG BAD USA, here we thought you could handle two 3rd world countries at once
mattmatt115 1 year ago
@mattmatt115 All seriousness aside, you are funny...you know , with, the , keeping up, thing, hahaha.
I thought you said Canada's infantry was fighting our war.....didn't you???
Now they are building houses while we fight?????
Are you sure you know anything that's going on????
Give the twinkies and yoohoos a rest and keep track of what you say....brothah..
greshamweed 1 year ago
@greshamweed Here allow me to explain
Canada sent PPCLI, (Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry) and Lord Strathcona's Horse which is a mechanized brigade, these were the 2500 guys who controlled Kandahar and region, and a PRT which was an acronym asigned to the "Provincial Reconstruction Team" which was a military force who provide a reconstruction capacity, reverse osmosis machines, wells, hospitals, medicine, roads, electricity, sewers WHILE YOU WERE BLOWING UP IRAQ
See my point
mattmatt115 1 year ago
@mattmatt115 America did, just it became really pointless, like Vietnam.
generalflood 1 year ago
@greshamweed When did i say Canada has an overwhelming military mite? What invasion are you talking about? We have only been invaded once and we repelled the invaders. Oh yeah, because the USA fought off all the invaders in the ocean before they got here, i forgot! And guess what
I DO SPEAK GERMAN and i also speak ENGLISH
And im certainly not worried about the Japanese, the germans would have nuked them too once they were done with Europe, and finished their bomb. Just went a little crazy, sad
mattmatt115 1 year ago
@mattmatt115 Sooooooooooo........I get it.......your a closet Nazi sympathiser.......I guess that's the French Canadian in you.......pathetic....
greshamweed 1 year ago
...u don't get it do you? no one is talking about what he deserved. it's about whether or not it was worth it, you know at the price of our integrity...well 183 times doesn't sound effective.
drmadnar 2 years ago
You're not an america hater just because you disagree with something an american did. If my friend beats somebody to a bloody pulp for punching him & I tell him that was too far, do I hate them? No. You're judgemental and you didnt even consider his arguement
jeffdapimpbutler 2 years ago
How the hell do you know he did anything? Did he fucking fly a plane into a building?? how did he surive?? and HOW THE FUCK is Saeed Al-Ghamdi still flying planes in Tunisia!?! I thought he became one with the WTC?
Abdul Aziz Al-Omari, still flying for Saudia Arabia Airlines, well thats weird, i thought he crashed into the building? Resilient little buggers these "terrorists" are?
Waleed Al Sheri was interviewed (alive) by the BBC AFTER 9/23/01 claiming he did not fly plane into WTC (OBVIOUS)
mattmatt115 1 year ago
@mattmatt115 I hope when all hell breaks loose in a very short time that terrorist sympathizers like yourself come begging for food, shelter, and protection from the American scum you hate so bad. Are you so deluded and ignorant to believe for a second that they won't cut off your head as quickly as they would any American's? You sound like a raging lunatic so stay the fuck out of the country we love for your own good and please don't breed. btw, I will not read your reply. LOL
muzzleflash7 1 year ago
@muzzleflash7 If someone came here to cut my fucking head, they had better be skilled in dodging .303 lee enfield, or if they get to close, a 12ga
A human would die just as fast as any moose bear or deer. Now, the food. I dont give a fuck who mass produces my food, because i can hunt, i can trap, i can gather, i can fish. I can also garden, and you know what, I DO ALL OF THESE. Why? I was raised to fend for myself, so if the grocery store doesnt have food, its no matter! i will hunt and fish!
mattmatt115 1 year ago
@muzzleflash7 And no, i dont have sympathy for terrorists, whether they be american, saudi, russian, chechen, african, sri lankan, or chinese!
I do however unconditionally value the sanctity of life. Life is beautiful, its beautiful to me whether its the life of someone in our western culture, or if its a life from someone in a middle eastern culture that has been raped and manipulated by the west. they are still people, fighting with what means they can grasp
In desperation YOU WOULD TOO!!!!
mattmatt115 1 year ago
i live in it but let me just say 'fuck the usa'
theoneali 2 years ago 10
@theoneali then leave.
nickhiller17 1 year ago
@nickhiller17 no thnx, id rather voice my opinion
theoneali 1 year ago
@theoneali that's your right. and there are millions out there daily working to defend that right.
there have been over 1.2 million people who have died to protect that right for you.
i will point out that if the majority had your opinion, we'd be in trouble.
KEV8551 1 year ago
@KEV8551 our words dont mean sh*t to the powers that be...they do whatever sh*t they want, whenever they want....
theoneali 1 year ago
@theoneali sounds like you belong in the Hussein administration
TheUnitedStatists 1 year ago
@TheUnitedStatists sounds like you dont like others having a legit opinion...
theoneali 1 year ago
@theoneali it offends me when you liberal pussies whine when we "torture" the 9/11 mastermind and bash the country simply because you hate bush and anything he does, you liberal pussies care way too much how the muslim word perceives the US, KSM was responsible for killing nearly 3000 AMERICANS! and you're worried about pouring some water on him, if only the 3000 victims and their families had that option. move to canada you pathetic douche bag
TheUnitedStatists 1 year ago
@TheUnitedStatists what about the millions and millions killed in iraq alone you bastard....
theoneali 1 year ago
@theoneali i didnt agree with the Iraq war, and its nowhere near millions, answer this question if you were a POW what country would you rather be a prison of the US or any other country/islamic tribe?
TheUnitedStatists 1 year ago
@TheUnitedStatists yeah its nowhere near a million ACCORDING to fox, cnn, etc etc....however human rights and charity organisations say its well above 1 million since sanctions were imposed...to answer your question-its well known that the U.S transports suspects to its puppet allied states such as egypt/tunisia and many many many other countries so that those states can torture the suspects FOR the U.S....the puppet leaders in those states will do the dirty work for the U.S...go figure
theoneali 1 year ago
@theoneali no other super power in history treats prisoners better than we do, listen to yourself, we pour some water on a man who masterminded the deaths of almost 3000 people, and you're worried about his human rights? and how the rest of the world perceives the United States? Like i said before you belong at the DOJ or some position in this wimpy administration.
TheUnitedStatists 1 year ago
@TheUnitedStatists hahaha lol stop embarrassing yourself...children get raped and tortured in your prisons especially in iraq and afghanistan....stop defending the undefendable you stupid torture loving asshole....the world sees the U.S U.K and israel for what they really are...grade A terrorist states...
theoneali 1 year ago
@theoneali move then, if you think the US are terrorists I really can't say anything to you, you're insane.
TheUnitedStatists 1 year ago
@TheUnitedStatists your the insane one buddy, and i will continue to voice my opinion right here
theoneali 1 year ago
@theoneali sounds like you should be on a plane to a yemen terrorist training camp
TheUnitedStatists 1 year ago
@TheUnitedStatists not surprised that a statement like that is coming from a brainwashed spoon fed yuppy like yourself...
theoneali 1 year ago
@theoneali i feel the exact same way about you, are you still here? why arent you on a plane to the middle east to exact your jihad revenge on this evil country
TheUnitedStatists 1 year ago
@TheUnitedStatists funny you should say that cuz that is the job of al-CIA-da....you are extremely extremely dumb and ignorant......a waste
theoneali 1 year ago
@theoneali tight join a muslim terrorist group and get your ass blown to shit, do us all a favor
TheUnitedStatists 1 year ago
@TheUnitedStatists do us all a favour and drown your yuppy ass or donate it to science
theoneali 1 year ago
@theoneali i thought you were against torture you self righteous pussy
TheUnitedStatists 1 year ago
@TheUnitedStatists yeah I am against torture...u clealry are for it..idiot
theoneali 1 year ago
@theoneali you're against torture but for terrorism, who's the real idiot?
TheUnitedStatists 1 year ago
@TheUnitedStatists judging by your comments your the idiot...
theoneali 1 year ago
@theoneali id love to just kick the shit out of you terrorist loving ass, id take 1000 illegal aliens over your bitch ass, they atleastt somewhat appreciate this country
TheUnitedStatists 1 year ago
@TheUnitedStatists hahaha thank you for displaying your igorance and losing all your credibilty with that last statement...sums up the term 'brainwashed yuppy' very well
theoneali 1 year ago
@TheUnitedStatists Well your the only terrorists to use nuclear weapons against civilians thus far, so you are the top echelon of terrorism.
TERRORIST SCUM!!!!
mattmatt115 1 year ago
@TheUnitedStatists We care how the muslim world thinks about us, because, there are BILLIONS OF THEM. There are MILLIONS in the USA
Did you ever stop to fucking think in your facist fairland MAYBE we might tip the bucket and unleash a global fucking jihad against ourselves, THUS starting EXPONENTIALLY MORE PROBLEMS AND EXPLOSIONS AND DEATH AND TERRORISM!??!! ARE YOU THAT FUCKING DILUTED?!?!
I hope you and your family get beheaded by extremist muslims
mattmatt115 1 year ago
@theoneali I live in the USA let me just say you're a complete moron.
greatland2 1 year ago
@greatland2 well your damn ignorant
theoneali 1 year ago
yeah i really wish he comes to the middle east (as a guest not a soldier) and he will see how friendly we are.
HebaHosni 2 years ago
American torture method are not all that bad when you compare it to other country if you are taken a POW. In fact, those method sounds so sissy, I don't think they even work, that's why there's no result from the middle east.
shuforce 2 years ago
no you wouldnt
you would want to torture them yourself, just like me
you would want to stick a knife between there skin and finger nail, then cut there fingers off and then toes, make them take a bath in vineger, and let them die a slow, painful death.
just like me
21CBC 2 years ago
heil Hitler!
HebaHosni 2 years ago
yes!
au2boys2 2 years ago
but no
in our country they are given rights, and lawyers.
TYT is aginst torture because they dont like there cousins brothers and uncles being treated so badly.
I am pro-torture
i wonder why instead of going after terrorists who want us to die, because we are "infidel's" we continue to prosecute these agents who try to keep you safe
think of it this way.
imagine if your mom, dad, sister, or brother had been killed by these terrorists.
would you still want them to have rights?
21CBC 2 years ago
how r u so sure that the prisoners r terrorists?
HebaHosni 2 years ago
TORTURE-the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information.
If water boarding doesnt work, no matter how many times we tried it, how did we get the information out of them
why do you asshole liberals care so much about the rights of terrorists?
if the tables were turned and we were cought in theyre country, they'd drag us through the streets, make you watch as they murdered and raped your family, then slowly, painfully, kill you
21CBC 2 years ago
Clinton and Obama are NOT 'my boys' you simplistic Parrot-Brain Dumbass Rush Limbaugh buttlicker.
Its a sad state when ignorant people like u believe that someone who disagrees agrees with you has to be a supporter of Obama or Clinton.
I don't support any Chickenhawks but if u had a shred of honour then u wouldn't challenge me on this issue.
There should have been wholesale resignations after 911. I never said anywhere that Bush had to accept them
yosefbenyosef 2 years ago
Now b4 I slam Clinton and Obama just know that I have my reasons and its not to prove anything to a dumbass Dittohead who does not understand why Defense, State and CIA, National Security people should have offered their resignations after 911.
Its a damn shame on this nation that any of you alleged Conservtive Republicans still managed to try and speak on issues where the evidence is overwhelming that u r total Fuck ups.
yosefbenyosef 2 years ago
They are not preparing for the worst because they expect it to happen; they are preparing for the worst because it could happen. They are only allowed to hold them under for a short period of time which is probably why they must dunk the prisoners 183 times. And ahhh they're prisoners of war what rights do they have. I would hardly call waterboarding anything more than a tough interrogation technique.
brewmouthking 2 years ago
you still deserve the same basic rights as any other human, no matter if you violate those rights against other people. are you in favour of the death penalty? i am not: it's the government's responsibility to the health of citizens. death is the worst state of health possible. death penalty=inducing extremely bad health. besides, what is a worse punishment? dying quick and easy, or being locked away forever, cut off from the sunshine, birds chirping, etc. forever to slowly go insane alone?
Brownsc3 2 years ago
Just cut his head off with a saw!
longarm708 2 years ago
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fuckin liberals. we should do more than waterboard these terrorists. waterboard doesn't inflict enough pain.
Orbit915 2 years ago
whats waterbording?
majer75 2 years ago
waterboarding is when, as a method of torture, someone's head is held under water making the victim believe they are about to die by drowning.
This is done in an attempt to scare the shit out of someone enough to make them give up whatever information is wanted or face the same treatment again.
Gangus77 2 years ago
Waterboarding is when people hold you upside down and run water down you so it goes in your nose to make you feel like your drowning
raptormonev 2 years ago
thats gotta suck
majer75 2 years ago
Ah, gotta love liberals. They ever think what happens when an al-queda member acquires a us or allied troop? Im sure they do worse things than we do. I'd torture them till.. i dont know.. till i got tired of it. They were the ones who are trying to kill us remember? Wow liberals have so much common sense to them. No we cant treat this prisoner who just killed my buddy in combat badly.. oooohhh noo thats just stupid.. we need to care for him and let him live and then we may negiotiate peacefully.
nintendude60 2 years ago
"he did it first!" what are you in 3rd grade? we should be on a totally different level then them, but all you want to do is stoop to their level.
ideasarebulletpr00f 2 years ago 2
Revenge against a scapegoat? That's some unhealthy shit, son. An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
P.S. I'm not a Liberal, pull your finger out and realise there's more than two political allegiances.
Gomess 2 years ago
It says 183, and then he says 83?
b4rf3r 2 years ago
2 different people, one got it 83 times, another 183.
ideasarebulletpr00f 2 years ago
SOrry my bad
b4rf3r 2 years ago
Really all of u Fake Conservative Republican Parrot-brain Ditto-heads need to shut up. The nation and the world is long since tired of ur dumb opinions about issues of politics and religion. U don't matter anymore now there's a global economy. U can't compete because ur Affirmative Action Good Ole Boy network is over and u have to compete earnestly with the Chinese, Brasilians, Arabs and Indians 4 world resources. U r losing and scared because u never were qualified 4 the lifestyle u have.
yosefbenyosef 2 years ago
I would vote water boards for public use and purchase! put em in WATER PARKS. For masochists only! In fact, i would alter the machine so it would spin at 2 G's and tilt over every two minutes into a bowl of hot steaming oat meal. Loads of fun! Hahhhheaheahahaahhhaaaaaaaa!!!!
zenophas 2 years ago
Zack your a fucking retard. If we're not hurting them then why are they dying? Many have been proven to not be connected at all with what they were charged with BUT DIED. sick huh.. I know you only care about your own country and will probably blowup tons of innocents as long as it's in the name of God BLESS AMERIKAHHHHH. But don't cry when it blows up in your face and you turn otherwise sympathetic foreigners against America and further support our image as the top terrorist and bully worldwide
GodWatchingYou 2 years ago
Really? Monsters? You're calling the people that kept you safe all these years Monsters? You are fucked up. Get out of this country and live in Russia where they tolerate that.
ZackFeuernt 2 years ago
Again. 911 and Katrina happened under Bush-Cheney's watch. So please refrain from the cliched Parrot-Droppings of 'keeping us safe' BS.
yosefbenyosef 2 years ago