Loremo IAA Motorshow 2007

[PahaLukki]

I really like the Loremo, but I don't like the door arrangement. Also, the mid-engine configuration wastes critical space for stuff to be hauled. For 99% the time I need a car is for transporting people and goods around, because it is inconvenient to move stuff around with a bus. Therefore a low-resistance VAN would be more profitable.

[Hinloopen]

Any updates on the company's status? Are they still there? I really want to buy a diesel version of the Loremo, the LS. It seems to be my ideal next-gen car.

[Umaxen]

Even though this car is the size of a shopping cart, they could sell millions just by gas mileage advertising alone AS LONG AS the price is low enough! I assume the price will be around $20,000 which will keep people away.

[niswel]

Aerodynamics are cool!

[kortenbach]

Please EU, introduce a new class for this kind of super-economical cars (something like A++) and raise the bonus for buying ! This is the future ! 2000 euro bonus should be the minimum !

[royalewihcheese]

I would buy one, for US use if it comes out here. It makes no sense to bring it out in the EU first, where things are closer together and mass transit is great, as opposed to the US, where steeply rising gas prices are forcing a huge "green" shift (Prius outsold the Explorer last year, etc).

[jpbalkenende]

yeah cept that... Gas is more expensive here. And mass transit isn't THAT convenient. In fact the Bike beats mass transit here in NL like 9/10 times here for short trips (actually bikes work great here they beat out cars 8/10 times as well).

Anyway if only you Americans would buy these things instead of useless trucks and SUVs then maybe I'd agree to let you guys have it first.

[73notch]

His point was that in America there is far more commuting and the effect on the environment would be greater. As far as our buying habits on trucks and SUVs maybe you should look at the current trend instead of using our history of buying it and applying it as fact today. With gas as cheap as it is today, it is going to be hard to convince people to buy this to "save money" they are going to have to rely on the whole "saving the environment" idea.

[JJaguars84]

heard it only comes in manual.....any truth behind that or will it also come in automatic?

[gregallenphoto]

cool car who's music?

[HAL11000]

Now, will there be an upcoming Loremo that can run on electricity?

[xqnp7]

Why? The thing gets 157 mpg.

[HAL11000]

I won't get the fuel from the energy an resource intensive petroleum infrastructure. Electricity amounts to about 8% of the energy in a barrel of oil. Ironically, an EV goes about the same distance on that 8% than IC cars go on the other 92%. I have a 4kW solar array. I power my home and my neighbors. Then I charge the E-Loremo during off peak hours at night when electricity is cheap. In the day, the solar array will return the energy I used to charge the E-Loremo. = $0 operating costs.

[maloneTDI]

According to the Loremo wikipedia, an electric version will be available.

"In preparation of presenting the first driving prototype, the Loremo L1 was equipped with a turbodiesel motor. However, in light of diminishing fossil fuels, an electric motor is expected to be available in subsequent models."

[HAL11000]

Thanks for the info!

[speakupforjustice]

one step at a time now...this is really cheap when you compare it to EVs and hybrids, it cost only $13,000 which means you can have a bigger impact in decreasing global warming since more people could afford it and it will still decrease our dependence on foreign oil..but yes if this was EV it could probably go another 100 mpg or more meaning over 250 mpg!

[Bogt]

Yes there will be an E-Loremo! :-)

[kico209]

kinda looks like a porsche

[LiamIntelion]

It comes from Aerodynamic sense ... and not a simple copy of Porschedesign ...

[xwb9447]

Detroit and Exxon will buy themselves huge import tariffs on this car.

[tttthephantom]

I only wish it had electric drive

[loremocom]

There will be an electric drive version at release.

[AVRocketman5]

I love the idea and the car but live in minnesota where the snow could become a big problem but would get one for summer. any idea how it would do in the snow anyway?

[edifyguy]

I don't think I'd try it. MUCH too low, and too light to put any tread into the snow, which is all you can do with snow. But for a summer gas-saver, sure, if you like it.

[IsderaESP]

and which is the hard point of this car¿?

[grassfibre]

Beautiful car!! When it lives up to it's promise, i'd like one! It's a real beauty. The design is a fresh and revolutionary. It's about time the car industry wakes up and gives us some value for money, instead of gas-guzzlers that put our climate at risk!

[edifyguy]

Oh, well you apparently hadn't heard that the ice caps that global warming "destroyed" are right NOW almost as big and thick as they were when people first started paying attention to them. Oh, dang! Guess I'd better shut up so people still think they're going to die. "Global wAAArming" is a total HOAX. If you like a small car, go for it. I would enjoy the fuel economy. But I like the look and feel of my 5000lb car much better, and I'm willing to pay for the fuel. And the planet is FINE.

[walkingaroundthewigh]

The earth has been collecting carbon and burying it underground for millions of years, and you are a fool if you think it's OK to release huge amounts of this stored carbon into the atmosphere in just 100 years.

But whatever your views are on global warming, right or wrong, I could do without the air and noise pollution in cities that people with 5000lb cars generate.

[edifyguy]

That's what I don't understand about the global warming hype....the earth HAS been taking carbon out of the air for....forever, and storing it in the ground, and the more there is in the air.....the faster it stores it in the ground! More CO2=faster plant growth (it's what they live on)=less CO2 in the air. The earth can handle far more than we throw at it. A single volcanic eruption can spew more crap than the industrialized world does in a decade, and there's HOW many of those every YEAR?

[qlty4s2u]

Does it make sense to use buried carbon to fuel our vehicles?Even if you are right and no global warming is taking place and its all a big hoax we still need a alternative to fossil fuel.Maybe you don't the more immediate problem is peak oil.We are there or near it NOW.You don't have to believe it ,but you see the result of it everyday in the ever rising fuel prices.We need new thinking and this car and other like it is a good start.

[edifyguy]

Conservation is good, no argument there. And if people like this car, go for it. BUT.....I am not sure we're as close to peak oil as you (and many others) think.....they just hit a huge oil deposit off Brazil's coast this week, and we know where many similar deposits are.

At the moment, YES, it makes sense to use buried carbon to fuel our vehicles, because it's STILL the cheapest, most plentiful energy available. Technology will replace it, in time, but it hasn't yet, and shouldn't be mandated

[dou40006]

The announcement of this Brazil oil deposit is not confirmed yet, it is an uncontroled leak of information not secured. Plus it is a 30 billions barrels deposit at best, barely one year of world consumption, so not that huge. THe truth is that oil company have spent 100billions $US these 5 past years to find oil and the discoveries have been very deceptives, so don't dream to much on discoveries of new Saoudia any time soon.

[wellyes]

Who cares whether we're technically at peak oil? The speculators are driving the price of fuel astronomically and the market is demanding alternatives. The problem is that government lobbyists and big industry are largely impeding the growth of such technology. Is that a free market principle? I think not.

[c0c0asauce]

global warming isnt a hoax...if it was then half the reason for this car and all alternative fuel sources would be gone(the enviorment)

[grassfibre]

Sorry Edifyguy, I really would like to agree with you as I did 5 years ago. I also told people that global warming was a big hoax. Then I saw the satellite images of melting glaciers here in Europe, animals and flowers you would only find in South-Europe. This year here in the Netherlands we had Narcis flowers already in february, they suppose to show up late april, and this also happened last year! My country is partly below sea level so I'm worried that the barriers wont hold the rising sea.

[edifyguy]

Did you read my original reply to you at all?!! Those ice caps are almost entirely back to their previous levels! Furthermore, while you've been experiencing warming, other parts of the world have been experiencing record cold. The earth's climate is a cycle, sometimes warmer, sometimes cooler, and is actually going back into the cooling side of the cycle. The average temperature of the earth hasn't risen at all since 1998. The hottest year on record in the last century was 1934. It's a hoax.

[grassfibre]

Yes I have read your comments. I was like you 5 years ago. What I see in my country and the rest of Europe is not normal. And the statistics of even the most conservative and carefull researchers and weatherforecasters are already scary. But we can discuss this back and forth, you'll have your opinion, and I draw my conclusion. And I'll write you in 5 years. All besides that, Loremo made a hell of a nice car with minimum use of resources and that's damn clever!!

[edifyguy]

Like I said originally, if you like the car, the mileage can't be beat, so go for it. I like big cars. People should choose cars based on preference and their own personal "economy," but not on fear for a planet that is just fine. Your weather is unusual, but not just for you; it's been unusual for the whole planet, as the rest of the globe has been freezing its buns off. GLOBAL warming isn't something to worry about based on your LOCAL weather. It's based on an average that is perfectly fine.

[grassfibre]

Sorry mate, I just disagree with you. My opinion is of course something you can disagree with and I hope for god's sake youre right. But our researchers data, even the most conservative ones, just show different and the weather here hasn't been the same the last 10 years. If it was only one year, you would be right and I would be fine. But my observations just show different, how much I would like you to be right.....

[kico209]

Sorry for interrupting your guys conversation but earth doesnt need one year to change it takes couple of years so if edifyguy is right you probably wont see anychanges because there would be so small.

by the way this converstation you guys are having is very civilised no bad words or nothing and very respectful and i think thats great.

[Stormsvale]

Back to your sun spot point. This hypothesis has been deemed implausible in journals such as nature and Science by scientists who have won the nobel prize and were not paid by big oil. So edify guy please get all the info before edifying us. As for the car, I will buy one as soon as I can. Great idea and even if there is lots of oil! Better to keep the nest clean for our kids!!

[edifyguy]

Testing.....I hate YouTube's comment system; it's shutting me out for some reason when I try to put a link in, even disguised.

[fatmanEE]

nice,i mean you cant tell people global warming is a hoax because most are arm chair scientist at best, the earths temperature is regulated by the output of the sun, sure co2 emissions due cause a insulator like effect but you have to look at the fact that the sun is in a cycle of increase sunspots meaning the sun is producing more energy than normal,if its hot in your house you turn the heater down not rip the insulation out of your walls,but when you say that but then theres no manbearpig

[fatmanEE]

now dont get me wrong i would own this car in a heartbeat(130mpg,150mpg)if you wouldn't like it for daily driving your a fool and i plain to seriously looking at it, i mean think about it, you have this car as a daily driver, then a bigger truck,van,suv at home for when you need it ,hell in fuel cost the damn thing might just pay for itself and a cheaper used car,more mileage friendly vehicles should be purchased for economy not for wanting to be "green" and it beats the hell out of a hybrid

[edifyguy]

I just don't like little cars. I love the idea of having driving cost so little in fuel, and you're correct about hybrids being a total crock. Loremo has got a good idea, I just don't like small cars. But you're right about economy; saving gas is saving money—I just like big cars enough to shell out the bucks to feed them. It's all preference....which is how it should be.

[grassfibre]

That hybrids are a total crock doesn't hold here in my urban area. With traffic jams and normal urban traffic you have to brake, pull up and change gears a hybrid makes perfect sense. However on long highways driving on crouse control, the advantage is quite less. I saw a Pruis pulling up whitout any noise. Only a Rolls can do that. I think thats quite classy. A new trick of hybrids is you can feed them with electricty at night. Here in Europe, thats about 5 times as cheap than gas (fuel tax).

[maloneTDI]

Why do you need big cars? What if everyone else drove small cars?

[reddwarf2300282]

Low weight, low air resistance, low power consumption, low price, great design. Sounds like ideal car. They should acquire more capital and begin mass production. This car has potential to become great hit.

[matzeberlin555]

Heftige Regenfälle auf dem Lidl-Parkplatz. Schnell zum Auto und die Einkäufe verstauen. Und dann schnell nach Hause (ohne Garage) - der Wolkenbruch will nicht aufhören. Jetzt schnell die Einkaufstüten raus aus dem Auto und Opa reinsetzen, der muss zum Arzt gebracht werden... So ein Video möchte ich mal vom Loremo sehen. :-)

[100MPG]

Well done Loremo - show Toyota what a real ECO car can do! None of this 1300kg Prius eco pretender stuff!

[Darkspyyy]

Ich habe 15000€ gelesen.

[Bogt]

Bis €15000 also bsw. 12000 ist auch moglich. :-)

[cr4s3d]

Der Loremo GT soll bis 20000€ kosten also byebye Loremo hallo Audi A1.

[Bogt]

bis €20000 also €15000 ist auch moglich!

[PahaLukki]

The most advanced car, ever.

[D4cKI]

fürn überschlag is ma auf jeden gut geschützt, die karosserie is an der stelle am stabilsten wo die fahrer/beifahrer rücken an rücken sitzen..bei crash gegen ne wand isser auch auf jedem fall sehr stabil , die karre hat keine türen , und man sitzt quasi innem abgerundetem quadrat..wenn halt n geländewagen entgegenkommt, muss ma halt ausweichen, überschlag hät er ja gut aus^^

[Xtra999]

Schon richtig. Geschützt mag man wohl sein. Nur, wie kommt man raus wenn man auf dem Dach liegt oder wenn nach einem Frontalchrash der Klappmechanismus nicht mehr funktionieren sollte?

[cellador1984]

War auf der IAA 07. Der Loremo war lediglich mit einer Attrappe vertreten, in welche man sich auch nach höfflicher NAchfrage nur als geladener "Gast des Hauses" setzten durfte.Leider muss man nach dieser ärmlichen Vorstellung sagen, dass hier noch keine ernsthafte Marktpolitik betrieben wird. Schwacher Auftritt und eine verschenkte Chance. Nix mit "future cars for future people" So wird das nix!!!

[mrnice81]

Hast nix besseres zu tun als bei jedem Loremo-Vid das gleiche zu schreiben?

Mal im ernst: Es ist ein Vorserien-Vorführmodell einer 'kleinen' Firma. Wenn die jeden Hanswurst sich reinsetzen lassen müssen die das Ding, ob Modell oder nicht, wieder auf Vordermann bringen... das geht ins Geld und ist ja wirklich nicht nötig.

[Xtra999]

... und wie verhält sich dieser Klappmechanismus nach einem Frontalcrash, der sehr viel wahrscheinlicher als ein Überschlag ist?

[Xtra999]

Mir gefällt er auch sehr gut. Einen Nachteil sehe ich bei einem Überschlag (ist mir schon passiert, wenn auch nur als Beifahrer): wie öffnet man das Fahrzeug, wenn es auf dem Dach liegt?

Ansonsten super Sache. Hoffentlich wird es ein Erfolg!

[Bogt]

Wirklich Super. 2010 Ich und Meine E-Loremo!!! :-)