NH: Unioneers assault ex-Paul staffer cameraman

[tsharpmac420]

i don't know about any one else but if i was being intimidated by my employer i would vote to unionize..... 100 years ago joining a union was voluntary and not a condition of any ones employment

[p1q0]

Unionists are such jerk offs. The attitude seems to be "we need to band together so we can screw the evil employers." If it wasn't for the evil employers, you wouldn't have a job, jerk off. If you can't keep your employer happy, he should fire you on the spot. If you aren't helping him make money why should he pay you money? What obligation does he have to an unproductive worker? He gives the worked opportunity, if the worker squanders the opportunity he should get canned. *hoes.

[Elinitsam]

Why did you show a Federal Reserve Note? Why didn't you instead show a silver coin from opencurrency web site? END THE FEDERAL RESERVE! Go back to Constitutional money!

[fragilityh14]

r this video reminds me of my videos!!1 3

[TEBON]

union douches.

[bigdstocktrader]

It seems that unions are as in favor of using force to force their will upon others as government is...maybe even more so.

[fczwartek]

As are libertarians. Many here insinuate that violence against the state is acceptable. Some even say it outright.

When I say "the state" I actually mean people.

[bigdstocktrader]

"Many here" may not be true Libertarians. TRUE Libertarians do not believe in the INITIATION of violence, but we DO believe in Self Defense. I would hope that it never comes to the point where using violence against the state is necessary for self defense. That is a last resort scenario in my opinion. The Free State Project does not endorse violence and does not want militia types who advocate violence. However, we do believe in the right of self defense.

[fczwartek]

Well we can quibble over the definition of libertarianism, and who is true to the cause and who is not.

I'm just telling you that I have had arguments with militant libertarians who believe that violence against the state is an act of self defense.

[JSenator06]

UNION THUGS- Support the "Right to Work"-disclaimer I used to work for NE Citizens for A Right to Work, they are a good group...support them!

[fczwartek]

This guy with the comment about throwing people in the river is despicable.

I think unions are an absolute necessity (as is government) but it's obvious that new leadership is in order, for both.

[intrepgun]

government an absolute necessity? hm, they didn't build my home. they didn't plant my garden, they didn't cook my dinner, they didn't make my clothing...

maybe we have different meanings for the words 'absolute' and 'necessity'...

[fczwartek]

Name a civilization that has functioned and flourished without some form of government, if you can.

I'm not talking about the government tying your shoes for you. I'm talking about the government cultivating an environment in which everyone (who wants them) has shoes. Or to use your even better analogy, dinner.

I stand by my statement that government is an absolute necessity.

Unless you don't mind an existence that is nasty, brutish, and short.

[intrepgun]

you say nasty, brutish and short, i say simple, free and beautiful.

it all depends on what people want. and most people don't have a fucking clue what they want. they just think whatever they're told, really. so since you don't know how to live the way humans were made to, you imagine it's impossible for anyone.

before govt and industry, people lived and actually PROTECTED the earth, instead of cutting the ground from under their own feet.

'escape the slave-ocracy of our gadgetopia.'

[fczwartek]

I like simple, beautiful and free. It does have appeal.

So I take it you're moving to Lancaster PA to live amongst the Amish then? They seem to enjoy a simple, beautiful and free existence outside the "slave-ocracy of our gadgetopia."

Although they will shun you if you mess up.

You almost seem to be a proponent of egalitarianism. Which I would think is quite at odds with libertarianism. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[intrepgun]

why is it that everyone seems to think i'm a libertarian? did someone stick a sign on my back or something? i almost never use that word at all. it means very little to me. because government means very little to me. i'm a proponent of myself. that's it. i take care of myself and my interests. lucky for some other people that my interests can be summed up in 'the campground theory'. leave a place better than you found it.

love the amish, but it's not for me. religion is fucking stupid.

[intrepgun]

oh, and to answer your question [sic] about a civilization that has functioned and flourished without government... i guess that was more of a challenge... but it's the wrong thing to ask really. what about the native americans? they were doing pretty well before the europeans came to wipe them out and form 'the nest from which we will populate the hemisphere.'

and i'm not saying one has to live as if advancements were never made, just to be smarter about it. i know, i'm asking too much...

[OnGuard4Liberty]

"You almost seem to be a proponent of egalitarianism. Which I would think is quite at odds with libertarianism" --

Egalitarianism is absolutely not at odds with libertarianism...it might be at odds with objectivism, but not libertarianism.

[fczwartek]

I disagree with you. Libertarianism is all about the individual.

You could say that an egalitarian society balances (or restricts) individual liberties to promote the welfare of the collective group.

Intrepgun sums up libertarianism pretty well (although he is a reluctant libertarian.) "I'm a proponent of myself. I take care of myself and my interests."

Isn't this in opposition to egalitarianism?

[OnGuard4Liberty]

"Libertarianism is all about the individual...

Isn't this in opposition to egalitarianism?" --

No. Firstly because collectivists societies tend to beget more misery. Secondly because most people are made happy by helping others (usually their families first and then others) and a free society better enables them to do this. In socialistic societies, the responsibility for caring for one's family and one's neighbors gives way to the collectivist idea that it's someone else's responsibility.

[fczwartek]

"Collectivists societies tend to beget more misery."

I don't think that is true. A recent University of Michigan study found socialist Denmark to be the "happiest" country in the world. The US was 16th (I'm surprised it was that high.)

I personally believe things like health care and

[fczwartek]

I personally believe things like health care and education are a right....not a privilege.

[OnGuard4Liberty]

"I personally believe things like health care and education are a right....not a privilege" --

They may be government-created "rights" (i.e., privileges), but there's no such thing as an inherent positive right. Positive rights necessitate the destruction of negative rights.

I'd still like an answer to my point about egalitarianism being harmed in collectivist societies because they harm personal responsibility.

[fczwartek]

I wouldn't say any rights "necessitate the destruction" of other rights. But yes some rights do oppose and infringe on others. No question. That's why I have argued that rights are not absolute.

As far as your question about egalitarianism being harmed by collectivism...maybe so. I won't say that to some extent it isn't. Nothings perfect.

But I still fail to see the relationship between egalitarianism and libertarianism (other than that they're polar opposites.)

[OnGuard4Liberty]

"But yes some rights do oppose and infringe on others. No question. That's why I have argued that rights are not absolute." --

They only do so when one misunderstands the meanings of what rights are and how they function. True rights are always defensive and therefore my rights never harm yours.

"But I still fail to see the relationship between egalitarianism and libertarianism (other than that they're polar opposites.)" --

I think I've shown that's not true, so I'll agree to disagree.

[RidleyReport]

do you have a right to the fruits of someone else's labor FC?

[fczwartek]

I would think that if you helped yourself to someone else's "fruits" without compensating them somehow, you are essentially stealing from them.

[txngasnguns]

Unions are good at 3 things. Negotiating (attempting to) in your favor, collecting dues, and putting your place of work, and or industry out of buisness.

Anti-Union factory worker and proud of it.

[fczwartek]

That was NAFTA the WTO that put workplaces and industries out of business.

Unions haven't really done much to help their cause in the last 30 years, but to claim that they put companies out of business is false.

Unionized workers amount to about 10% of the workforce now down from 25% in the late 70's.

You know what has happened as unions are demolished? Jobs go over seas to china. American workers are forced to work longer hours for less pay and benefits.

How is that a good thing?

[fczwartek]

The fact that America is become a plutocracy is a result of the disparity between the rich and the middle classes.

Strong unions are a cornerstone of the middle classes.

Libertarian economics will destroy the middle classes.

[AnarchyInYourHead]

Seems like unions were a good idea that got touched by the reverse-Midas touch of government. Government touches something. It turns to shit.

[LumpyRevolution]

Good job exposing the unthinking and unwilling.

[LumpyRevolution]

I forgot to mention "violent" and "corrupt"... among many other things.

[roseagain2]

Good work!

[airborne373]

I bet you a dollar to a donut they are Masons.

[odigity]

But... I want to keep my donut. No deal.

[airborne373]

lol

[DigiWar]

I will take the bet. Show me that they are masons, and I will give you a donut. If they are not, just Paypal your Dollar over to Mr. Ridley.

Masons take secret ballots on things that are contentious, including the election of lodge officers.

Digital "I am a Mason" Warrior

[odigity]

Labor unions are a plague on humanity. Do the research.

"Seriously, sir..."

Ha!  Don't fuck with Brinck. :)

[auamoti]

lol

[txballoonman]

Union people... are they as violent as the stereotype? Some of them, like these guys in the video, definitely fit the stereotype and are proud of it. Good people should not have any business with people like this. Good organizations would not be associated with this kind of representation.