Twin Rotor Bedini Motor vid 2

[333kgb]

How do I find how much M amps are coming out of battery where do the leads go and what do I set the knob on the meter to thanks

[333kgb]

The negative on the primary battery go’s to the inner 20 gauge wire on the coil which also go’s to the emitter on the transistor and the inner 24 gauge wire from the coil go’s to the collator on the transistor then the neon bulb is connected to the emitter and collator does it matter which way I put the neon bulb? And is there any problems you see in this hookup? Thanks for you help!

[333kgb]

Nice video! Hi I have been trying to get the bedini motor to work, but the wheel just comes to a stop. My setup is 1N4001 diode is connected on the emitter to the base on the transistor. Then the base is connected to a 470 resister. Then resister is connected to the potentiometer.

[jib1000]

if Bedini motors worked you could start it with your hand.

[debunkified]

Ok, I've been wondering this for a while, I have done some observations on that dang bedini motor, and I know it inside and out. Does this have anything to do with counter rotating magnetic fields? Would this indeed generate TWICE the amount of energy as compared to only one rotor? I already know that the collapsing field is indeed COMBINED with the generated current in the same charging direction. Shouldn't this be a Lenzless overunity, with the battery current combined with the generated?

[jonnydavro]

Hi.You can get twice the mechanical output or thereabout by using both poles of the coil.Normally only one is used,north,and the other pole is still creating a field which should be used and not wasted.Normal Bedini's are only using 50% of the coil output but this motor is still effected by lenz and the field is not rotating but pulsing.Thanks for your comment.Jonny.

[debunkified]

Ok, I get the double mechanical output part, what I mean by counter rotating is, you have 2 rotors, both with opposing fields, 1 north, the other south traveling in opposite directions. With a single rotor, capturing the collapsing field has no effect on rotor speed, except when charging a battery, it will speed up slightly, and then go back down to normal when the battery fills up and equals the load. The generated current IS IN THE SAME DIRECTION as that of the BATTERY CURRENT and they combine

[debunkified]

I just can't get it in my head as to why the generated current when ADDED onto the collapsing field current just simply doesn't become more out than in, especially with and extra rotor utilizing the other half of the coil. The mechanical energy is being converted right back into generated current, for this is what is triggering the transistor, of course. Does the collapsing field when combined with the double generated current, charge another battery twice as better, or just better?

[jonnydavro]

Hi debunkified.You are asking some very good questions.The rotors are mounted on small dc motors acting as generators and in the vid you can see with both rotors spinning the output on the generators was 0.78v.When only one rotor was spinning it was 0.84v which shows twin rotors utilising both poles are more efficient.The output of these generators can also be fed back to the battery so that also needs to be taken into account.This motor is only a very small prototype with small magnets

[jonnydavro]

so to get the best performance out of this motor it would be better to use bigger and stronger magnets as the induced voltage won't be very much with the small cylinders i am using but and maybe use a third winding on the coil for recovering the induced voltage and then do battery charging tests.The only tests i have done with this motor was what you see in the vid so i can't really answer your questions but utilising both poles and using multiple rotors is the way to go.Jonny.

[sivadfa]

@jonnydavro Most people talk about the amps and the voltage of their bedini motors has anyone actually measured their input wattage vs the output wattage?

I would be extremely interested, while voltage and amps are important, I think that unless if input and output are at least equal there would be no point in the machine.

Watts are the energy that is actually consumed.

[jonnydavro]

Hi sivadfa.The search for overunity is not why i make these motors.I make them for fun and to answer the "what happens if i do this question"but plenty of other people have done what you ask and as far as i know they are all underunity in the sense that they are not self running but the Bedini motor being overunity relates to the charging battery i think.Have a look at youtube user 64298 vids.He is close.Jonny

[debunkified]

Ok, have you tried taking the motors off of the rotor, and just catching the collapsing fields ONLY along with the GENERATED CURRENT FROM BOTH ROTORS? With the motor I would think this would cause it to be more ineffient, and have more lenz's law inside of the motor cuz if their construct, What I mean is have you tried running it as Bedini intended and catch the collaspe with a single diode along with both currents from both rotors ONLY? There should be hardly no lenz nor change in speed.

[jonnydavro]

Hi debunkified.The small dc motors make very good bearings for the rotors and i have run this motor with no load on the generators so it is running how Bedini intended and both currents are being fed back to the battery via diode of collector.Have a go at building this and then you can test it and see how efficient it is.Also have a look at my 4 rotor Bedini.That may give you some ideas.Jonny.

[debunkified]

Hey jonny, I really appreciate ur responses, it's good to have many minds focused on solutions. However, I have witnessed first hand UNITY charging This is achieveable with only 1 coil & 1 rotor. There must be flyweight, in order to fuse the rotor and battery currents together. I'm still trying to visualize through the process as Tesla did as to why overunity charging would not be possible, with another rotor of some flyweight fusing the other current with everything else, in the same direction

[jonnydavro]

Hi debunkified.Bedini motors also fascinate me and i can see they fasicinate you too.If you are seeing unity charging using just one pole which is only 50% of the output available for rotation then adding another rotor may give you overunity.Worth a try.Jonny.

[williewithwttw]

you prob wont see this but whats the cd disc motor out of ?

[jonnydavro]

Hi willie.The cd motors are from portable cd players,the type you could carry around with you and listen to music before mp3 players.Regards jonny.

[williewithwttw]

outstanding thanks for the response. i mentioned you wouldnt see it because the vids were from a year ago. r u still messing with bedinis. i am having trouble getting my circuit to work right. rebuilt it 3 times and still nothing. if you have a circuit that works i will pay for it. if you want that is

if you arent still working with it then plez disregard this message except for the thanks for the response it is appreciated

[williewithwttw]

also about much of what gauge wire is your coil

[jonnydavro]

Hi Willie.I use two 250gram spools of 26swg mag wire and wind both spools at the same time onto a third empty spool.Use welding rods for a core.Regards jonny.

[GaleRazorwind]

Question: Is the charge you are getting from the South rotor able to charge a/the back end battery? I have not built even a single rotor one yet (going to) so I have no idea, but if you can get energy from two rotors at once and be able to use the radiant energy from them it would be awesome!

[jonnydavro]

Hi GaleRazorwind.This Design Has the potential for increased battery charging as you are getting more mechanical work from the coil as it uses the normally wasted south pole off the coil.You could place pickup coils around the first and second rotor for battery charging.With regards to increased radiant energy due to the addition off the south rotor,this is hard to say without an oscilloscope or a true rms meter to compare one rotor v two rotor.  regards jonnydavro

[4G3NTanon]

Even if you had a thousand rotors there would still be NO OVER UNITY GAIN.

[dodoshlodo]

i really like your double flywheel design. are your coils doubly wound? and what kind circuit are u using? is it a Bedini? what are u using to time the pulses?

I just made my first pulse motor yesterday, check out my video:

"Bedini Pulse Motor with reed switch and relay"

[jonnydavro]

Hi dodoshlodo,My coil is wound bifilar 1:1 using 26swg wire,2 lenghs of 140m.The circuit is standard Bedini so the magnets on the rotors trigger the pulse.The important thing is that the magnets are positioned identical on both rotors (but opposite polarities) so as not to elongate the pulse.

[youtuubbguy66]

Hey, how about replacing the magnets by small shortcircuit coils? Like instead of having magnets on the disc, it would be coils hooked up with a capacitor. I don't know, I often have this vision of using only coils instead of permenant magnets. I think it offers more control.

[jonnydavro]

Hi youtuubbguy66,interesting idea,don't no if it would work though and how to implement it.

Thanks for your comment.  Regards jonnydavro

[youtuubbguy66]

Actually, I am more about creating a magnetic bearing... reduction of friction at the cost of little energy input. I aim for maximum usage of inertia. Not really have something to do with your project but it could have been inspiring. Thanks for your reply.

[crob227]

man you should rig up some dc motor for the disk, the get alot of energy out of them.

you can also gear them with a vcr head like 5 turns to one. i once uploaded a how to video if your interested i reupload it.

[jonnydavro]

That would be great,ive probably seen it as i've been subscribed for a while but refresh my memory,any help is much appreciated. Im going to take my printer apart next week and try it with stepper motors as gens.Thanks for your interest.

[crob227]

I couldnt see clearly, wat the two meters on the left for testing current? If so what was the load?

[jonnydavro]

The two meters on the left are measuring the voltage from the spindle motors which the rotors are mounted on.I am using this to check the rpms.Same motors,same voltage,same rpm.