you are 100% correct. i have shot the same ammo as you have and like you said there is NO difference in using either ammo in the .308 CETME. i hope the other man has full comprehention now. this is not a comp. spec. riffel. but very fun never the less!
@eldergow2 Yes. It is going the other way-.308 in a 7.62 CHAMBER rifle that presents a problem. Your rifle is chambered in .308. You are fine. I am not telling you to do something I haven't done a thousand times myself. LOTS of confusion regarding this. Go to Google type in Clint Mckee 7.62 vs .308. He will back up what I just said. Mckee is the owner of Fulton Armory.
The guy you were arguing with is called a TROLL its best to just ignore them. and you certainly shouldn't feed them. they like to get people mad and say things that dont make sense just to get you madder. but sometimes there fun to mess with.
@ChromeFreak123 The BRASS is different (smaller internal dimensions, heavier brass), but that is only a problem when reloading. The problem with .308 Win and 7.62 NATO is the chamber in the rifle. The 7.62 x 51 chamber is longer than the .308 Win chamber. This presents a problem when .308 is fired in 7.62 chambered rifles due to the lighter brass. It weakens the brass and could cause a case head separation. 7.62 fired in .308 chamber is fine.
@GordonTurnerpark I explain about internal dimensions in the video but disagree about brass seperation. I have never had a problem with either in any case. I will also say SAMI and Lyman both call it the same round with no problems with being interchangeable. I have had brass come apart or split in many rounds but never in this case althougfh I will not say it won't happen, it is not a dangerous thing. thanks for your input. : )
@ChromeFreak123 I would agree with you concerning the lack of a dangerous situation in the CETME of a case-head separation due to the lack of a floating firing pin. I am hypersensitive to a possible problem due to the fact that I reload for a rifle with a floating firing pin that could be prone to a slam fire on an out of battery ignition with part of the case left stuck in the chamber after extraction. Back to your TROLL, I am really sick of the monkey remarks regarding Century.
@GordonTurnerpark Century does put out some not so good firearms but they also put out some very good firearms. I wish their QC was more consistent but I agree with you and thanks. : )
@ChromeFreak123 If I might also add, I too become angry when someone responses to me in all caps. It is just rude. I only use all caps when trying to illustrate a compare and contrast situation or I am ticked off. People need to learn to be more polite.
I am convinced the ammo is interchangeable but I have a question. I know you said that you had zero problems using the Nato in your Cetme Rifle but does the Nato fire differently than the .308 such as effecting the range and accuracy. I have used the .308 ammo in my Cetme but would like to learn as much as possible before making the switch even though the Nato ammo is cheaper I just want to make sure I have the best ammo for what I use my Cetme for.
@gitrdonedavid I think you will get the most accuracy with a round in the 150 grain range, whether it be NATO or Win. commercial. I am not a great shooter so I do not want to mislead you in any way. I know my way around in gunsmithing it and shooting for me, I can hit with irons out to about 200, but i am not the guy to ask about true accuracy. lol. Its sad but true. : )
@ChromeFreak123 It's cool I just wanted a generalization of range and accuracy just like what you gave not and expert detailed book on it lol You gave me the info I needed thank you Happy shooting.
During my basic infantry training one of the first things we were taught in our lectures was the beauty of the 5.56mm round being interchangeable with the .223 Remington and the 7.62mm being interchangeable the .308 Winchester. I am building my gun collection based on this, i know many who have done the same.
@MilitiaHQ I appreciate the support. the 5.56 will take the .223 but not the other way around but the .308 and the 7.62x51 are exactly the same. Thank You again bro... : )
also in some rifles damage can occur when using a 308 or 7.62 in a rifle that chambers the other but is unlikey personaly i would stick to using whatever the rifle is chambered for just in case also i wouldnt trust a CETME manual
@TheNERFDUDE97 Please, tell me what rifles that would be because they are the same round. The CETME is a great battle rifle and the predessor to the G3. The G3 has different sights but for all intents and purposes, they also are pretty much the same. Thanks. : )
@ChromeFreak123 it is mainly when the user doesnt clean or take care of their rifle that is chambered for 7.62 and use a .308 it isnt much to do with the round but if the rifle is in bad nic then the extra pressure can screw it up and yes i know all about the G3 and the CETME and they arent as simmilar as you think it is roller delayed blowback that is what links them which was first tried in the mg42 and stg 45
@TheNERFDUDE97 Listen, I am not trying to be a jerk, I really appreciate the conversation but the CETME battle rifle and the G# are the same gun also. The sights are different but everything besides a few cosmetic things are the exact same. If your military battle rifle is in good working condition, you can shoot .308 all day everyday because they are the same. Thanks buddy. : )
@ChromeFreak123 yes i know if the rifle is clean but if it has been around and poorly looked after the risk of a malfunction with .308 is higher that 7.62x51 also the CETME and the G3 are are almost the same internaly and function the same in nearly every way unless the CETME you have is a mordern comercilised version with internals from a G3 then they arent the same
@ChromeFreak123 because the CETME was a post ww2 project but HK took it and change a few things they didn't like about it not just external but internal aswell that is why the CETME never really kicked off
@TheNERFDUDE97 They are exactly the same, the only differences are cosmetic. The CETME was the predecessor of the G3 and was Spains main battle rifle, it took off great. The parts on the CETME will interchange with the G3. Thanks.
@TheNERFDUDE97 They are exactly the same round. The brass on military ammo is thicker but the external dimensions are the same. If you do not want to believe me, Google Lyman and see what they say on this subject. Thank You. : )
@ChromeFreak123 yes i know when i said they are not the same i mean the brass is thicker technicaly they are not the same because of this but other than that they are
@MrDip02 The difference is the chambers of the firearms not the ammo. The ammo has the exact same outside dimensions. Thanks. I will say it again, if you decide to shoot .308 Win. in an old military surplus rifle, use 150 grain ball ammo and the only other thing would be to worry if you are a reloader, the brass is thicker in a NATO cartridge but once again, the outside dimensions are the same. Stay away from hot loaded hunting ammo and you should be fine. Thanks.
@ChromeFreak123 still it would not be that recommended since it's mostly the pressure that is the problem with it or is it under your more control when you reload and mean by not to use hot rounds
@XxTHENEMESISxX603 I would say yes. It is the hot hunting rounds fired from an old military firearm where you would or should have any worries. It is the same round. The brass is thicker so the only worry you should have is if you are reloading. Thanks.
So I have a marlin .308 win bolt action rifle your saying I can shoot the cheaper 7.62x51 out of it and save some money because these .308 are shooting holes in my wallet. Noted I will only be shooting it for fun not actually hunting with the 7.62, also I add whenever I say 7.62 I always want to follow up with x54r lol
@southerngraff I would think you would have no problems. It is the same round and you should call the manufacturer and see what they say. The round is the same dimensions exactly. The only differences are the thickness of the brass itself and should only affect reloaders. I do however, when shooting .308 in a mil. surp. rifle, I will stick with the 150 grain because that is what the military uses in the rifle. Thanks. : ) No 54R out of it, lol. : )
I friend of mine (me present) almost crush the extractor mechanism of a brand new Mosberg .308 win rifle just by shooting 7.62 x 51 NATO ammo. The ammo get locked after a few shoots when the rifle get some hot. I heard later he sold the gun and the lucky buyer could finally broke the extractor by trying to remove the 7.62 shell.
It is true is NOT the same ammo, so it's predectible it will behave in a different way each rifle. But that difference could be imperceptible.
@jbobautes Brother, its the same ammo. I am not sure what you mean by crushing the extractor, the ammo is the same and if you had extractor problems, it was more than likely not the ammo. If your manufacturer says only run .308 commercial, then only run commercial but the out dimensions of the round are exactly the same. Thanks. : )
@QuattroStig I know, my cats or our babies as my wife and I call them, always come alive when I do a video, its funny. Sorry for the distraction. Thanks. : )
hello I am from Denmark I am 17 years old and just got my hunting license so just bought a brno rifel and ammotion box says 308 winchester 7.62 X51. I am not an expert but I think you are right. sorry if there are some spelling fails :).
@Xcrp12 See that, you are 17 and have more sense than the moron that got me mad enough to make that video. lol. Thanks brother. They are the same size round, I would however only use the 150 grain .308 in military firearms unless the manufacturer says differently. You spelling is fine and thanks again. : )
@TheMedievalMan No, he made a video trying to show he is right but it just showed the ignorance. Moron would be an appropriate word. lol. Thanks bud. : )
@zach22hill I bet. I cant wait for you to shoot it, I love this round. It has basically the ballistics as the 30.06 in a much smaller package. very Sweet. : )
I was told not to use .308 in a mill rifle because of the floating firing pin in mill rifles. I was told that 7.62 have tougher primers made to allow the fireing pin to contact the primer without causeing a missfire. is this true?
@michaelf1900 If you use .308 in a battle rifle, I would stick with the 150 grain bullet weight but besides that, it is a myth. The military rifles were made to shoot the 150 grain round so, it is just common sense to stay with that but beside that, they are the same round and everything else is a myth. Thanks, you can also do some research on your own but I advise you stay away from the message boards because there is alot of crap in some of them. Real research will show, they are the same. : )
@zach22hill I know some, they are great target or precision rifles, very accurate and some police agencies do use them for sniper rifles. I have access to one though. If you want a disassembly, I know enough to do that. I hope this answers your question. Thanks. : )
Good job man, I don't think you could have said that any better And it cleared up the difference for me I was wondering and just haven't had time to check multiple sources..
cool. i probobly wont shoot to many 7.62 out of my gun cuz i mostly hunt with it so im gonna be using something like winchester ballistic silvertip, but to plink might use mil surp. and glad to see that there is some people who actually does research and doesnt just blow smoke...
Agreed with you. The time you could get some problem is in reloading if you neck size only something that’s been fired in 7.62 and then take it over to a 308win rifle, then it may not chamber or possible obd problem (but that's a seperate issue).
@brendn1264 Thank you for the contribution to this comment section. That is exactly my point to thje guy who I made this video for. It is unreal that some people read something on a message board and because of that, it must be a fact. lol. I agree, they are the same round. Thank you Sir. : )
@fishfrizbee lol, Thans for the support. i do appreciate it, sometimes these people read a comment on a message board and they completely believe it, it amazes me. lol. Thanks again. : )
@vinyvinyboy I appreciate the sub., I will always answer comments and pm's, always. It might take me up to a week sometimes because of work but I will always answer. I promise you that, if someone takes the time to write me anything, good or bad, I will respond. Thank you. : )
@SuperEffectsMASTER I hear you bro.. That is because they are the same round. lol. I don't understand some of these guys and where they get their info. I will say that on old military firearms that are chambered in 7.62x51, make sure you shoot the 150 grain .308 Win. rounds because that was what they were designed to fire. The NATO spec. 7.62x51 is a 150 grain round, you stay with that and you won't have any issues. Thanks for the input, it means a lot to me. : )
Thanks chrome, and thanks to who ever pissed you off. I have been looking for clairification on this subject, I am looking buying a norinco m305 (m1a clone) I have heard of head space problems with the gun but I was unsure if it was a using 308 ammo in a 7.62 NATO issue or just a manufacturing issue.
@augpro1 I would stick with the 150 grain loads. That is what the NATO spec. rounds are. Unless your owners manual says otherwise, you should have 0 problems. Thanks for the input and your support. You should check my partner channel out, it is kwgunworks. Thanks again. : )
@philyfred Well I really appreciate that, it means a lot to me. I have about 115 videos up and have plans for a lot more. I also ask you to check out my partner channel K&W Gun Works. Their youtube channel is kwgunworks. I get going about things like the topic in this video, common sense should be used more often but I guess there are just some people that have none. lol. Thank you again.
@7commenter7 There is a slight difference and I am actually planning a ammo video soon. I hope to do it within about a month. I am super busy and have a couple of more important videos first. That is not to say that ammo is not, well you know what I mean. lol. Thank you.
@MrFrankO23 Voted for who ? I love the Constitution and yes the Second amendment is the one that was put into place to protect the others. lol. Thanks and I love the comments. It might take me a few days to respond, because of work but I will always respond. Thank you.
@MrFrankO23 Thank you, I could not have said it better. You are exactly right on, the internet makes every one am expert. lol. At least in their mind. lol . : )
i run 7.62 through my winchester model 70 308, and as for me, 0 problemes. the guy who was giving you shit knows absolute fuck all. ignore him and lets enjoy our sport!
That's why I just troll and move on.Every single time when someone is wrong I'm not gonna make a video.I found you very informative in this one.Thanks
@thebudgetarmory1 Not at all. That is an story and really not true. My answer to that is, Berrreta 92fs is the US military's sidearm, well mostly. lol. Anyways, you can shoot all 9mm rounds through it and it will not blow up in your hands, factory 9mm and military 9mm, even though the brass on military ammo is thicker, same as 7.62x51 brass. Why is it only the .308 round that people seem to make an issue over. It makes no sense. This started on an internet comment board years ago. It is wrong.
Great explanation! I've been shooting both .308 WIN and 7.62x51 NATO out of my DSA FAL for awhile now and never thought much about it. I've never read the owners manual I must confess. I've had zero problems. I bet you never heard from him again.
@eledgetl pretty sure the cap can be harder as well in a NATO round. the firing pin in say an armalite ar10 or dpms 308 rifle may not fire a round because of the hard cap, whereas an m14 will have no problem finishing it off. a 308 usually uses a softer cap. good things to know if you pull the trigger and nothing happens or it jams -Mitch
Very good explaination. There are some other small differences that were not mentioned. 7.62 NATO spec brass (for the U.S.) is required to be annealed around the neck of the cartridge, usually identified by visible discoloration. Annealing creates more ductility in the effected area, allowing it to expand to fit the chamber better. Also, they are generally crimped around the groove in the projectile to provide a better seal to keep out moisture. Some .308's may have these features as well.
@Joester41 I appreciate your contribution to the comments. I understand I did not include all but my main point was that the manufacturer says it is good to go, that is good enough for me. lol. Thanks again, it means a lot to me.
thx 4 the info, CF! good job in doing ur research on 7.62 x 51mm/.308 Win rounds. Sounds like ur dealing w/a troll (have dealt w/a few myself;welcome 2 youtube,lol)! don't let the trolls rile u. as long as u have facts, that's all u need. take care brother & keep ur powder dry. Peace!
nato and the 308 is not the same lmfao there not the same but they shoot out of the same gun like shot shells 3in to 2 3/4 out of the same 12 guage it fits it shoots
@wootwoot409 Ok, Do some research and not read comments on a gun forum. They are the same except the thickness of the cartridge itself but the outside diameter is exactly the same. There are some commercial rounds that are loaded hotter but, They are the same round. Thanks.
We are all ignorant to some degree. I feel for anyone who hears something and believes it to be gospel without doing the research, for themselves, to backup what it is they have heard. I also feel bad for those people who stick their heads in the sand and refuse to listen to reason or keep an open mind. None of us know everything.
Thank for the informative video. Keep it up and way to go on backing up your information. Yea'who's like that..., well I am not going to go there. Great Video!
@TheRubberDuck139 I thank you for understanding. I do not know everything and certainly am not by any means an expert but, a little research goes a long way. lol. Thanks for your contribution.
@TheCwag My main point to the moron I was having a problem with is, if the manufacturer says it is ok to shoot .308, then it is ok to shoot .308. lol. Thanks.
You know people like chromefreak should actully get a thank you...the keep posting good quality vids that inform and leave the BS out even when bombarded by Counterstrike and Call of Duty experts who in 99% of the time have not even handled the weapon outside of some computer game that they try to lecture actual shooters or soldiers who have used the damn weapon for real...keep the vids coming man just ignore the kids
@britparainexile71 I will keep making the vids, just got to get through the next 5 to 7 weeks and then I will have more time for more videos. I really appreciate the support. Thanks and please comment when you can.
@Stompajiggayo Ok here we go another know it all. . lol The manufacturer has .308 as the round that the rifle is chambered in but I guess you know more than they do. lol.
@ChromeFreak123 You are clearly inncorrect.You have it backwards.It is in fact the 802. round that this rifle shoots.Don't question me old man.I'm a 13 year old expert,who has played the entire Call Of Duty series,so you can know,that I know,what i'm writting about.
Question I just purchased a remington 770 308 could I shot 7.62 nato without having any problems?
rolomalda2 1 day ago
you are 100% correct. i have shot the same ammo as you have and like you said there is NO difference in using either ammo in the .308 CETME. i hope the other man has full comprehention now. this is not a comp. spec. riffel. but very fun never the less!
supermandiamond 2 days ago
@supermandiamond Thanks for the support and the common sense. : )
ChromeFreak123 2 days ago
Good job telling that b**** off I also hate it when people use all caps.
Gunshooter33 1 week ago
@Gunshooter33 Thanks . : )
ChromeFreak123 4 days ago
Great video. You win!
angryfishmonger 1 week ago
@angryfishmonger lol, Thank You. : )
ChromeFreak123 1 week ago
good video. yah that guy is derpiderp. we use both round in the emr in the service
423deathy 2 weeks ago
@423deathy Exactly, Thanks. : )
ChromeFreak123 1 week ago
so your telling me i can shoot a 7.62x51 savage axis .308 please responde?
eldergow2 2 weeks ago
@eldergow2 Yes, I am saying exactly that. You can shoot it, it is the same round. Thanks.
ChromeFreak123 2 weeks ago
@ChromeFreak123 thank you for your respond and dont waste your time on haters let them keep hating i subbed thanks
eldergow2 2 weeks ago
@eldergow2 Yes. It is going the other way-.308 in a 7.62 CHAMBER rifle that presents a problem. Your rifle is chambered in .308. You are fine. I am not telling you to do something I haven't done a thousand times myself. LOTS of confusion regarding this. Go to Google type in Clint Mckee 7.62 vs .308. He will back up what I just said. Mckee is the owner of Fulton Armory.
GordonTurnerpark 1 week ago
The guy you were arguing with is called a TROLL its best to just ignore them. and you certainly shouldn't feed them. they like to get people mad and say things that dont make sense just to get you madder. but sometimes there fun to mess with.
Zaku186 2 weeks ago
@Zaku186 Ya I know but it is a video I am glad I made, it is amazing how many people think the rounds are different. Thanks. : )
ChromeFreak123 2 weeks ago
@ChromeFreak123 The BRASS is different (smaller internal dimensions, heavier brass), but that is only a problem when reloading. The problem with .308 Win and 7.62 NATO is the chamber in the rifle. The 7.62 x 51 chamber is longer than the .308 Win chamber. This presents a problem when .308 is fired in 7.62 chambered rifles due to the lighter brass. It weakens the brass and could cause a case head separation. 7.62 fired in .308 chamber is fine.
GordonTurnerpark 1 week ago
@GordonTurnerpark I explain about internal dimensions in the video but disagree about brass seperation. I have never had a problem with either in any case. I will also say SAMI and Lyman both call it the same round with no problems with being interchangeable. I have had brass come apart or split in many rounds but never in this case althougfh I will not say it won't happen, it is not a dangerous thing. thanks for your input. : )
ChromeFreak123 1 week ago
@ChromeFreak123 I would agree with you concerning the lack of a dangerous situation in the CETME of a case-head separation due to the lack of a floating firing pin. I am hypersensitive to a possible problem due to the fact that I reload for a rifle with a floating firing pin that could be prone to a slam fire on an out of battery ignition with part of the case left stuck in the chamber after extraction. Back to your TROLL, I am really sick of the monkey remarks regarding Century.
GordonTurnerpark 1 week ago
@GordonTurnerpark Century does put out some not so good firearms but they also put out some very good firearms. I wish their QC was more consistent but I agree with you and thanks. : )
ChromeFreak123 4 days ago
@ChromeFreak123 If I might also add, I too become angry when someone responses to me in all caps. It is just rude. I only use all caps when trying to illustrate a compare and contrast situation or I am ticked off. People need to learn to be more polite.
GordonTurnerpark 1 week ago
I am convinced the ammo is interchangeable but I have a question. I know you said that you had zero problems using the Nato in your Cetme Rifle but does the Nato fire differently than the .308 such as effecting the range and accuracy. I have used the .308 ammo in my Cetme but would like to learn as much as possible before making the switch even though the Nato ammo is cheaper I just want to make sure I have the best ammo for what I use my Cetme for.
gitrdonedavid 3 weeks ago
@gitrdonedavid I think you will get the most accuracy with a round in the 150 grain range, whether it be NATO or Win. commercial. I am not a great shooter so I do not want to mislead you in any way. I know my way around in gunsmithing it and shooting for me, I can hit with irons out to about 200, but i am not the guy to ask about true accuracy. lol. Its sad but true. : )
ChromeFreak123 3 weeks ago
@ChromeFreak123 It's cool I just wanted a generalization of range and accuracy just like what you gave not and expert detailed book on it lol You gave me the info I needed thank you Happy shooting.
gitrdonedavid 3 weeks ago
@gitrdonedavid You too. Thanks bro... : )
ChromeFreak123 3 weeks ago
During my basic infantry training one of the first things we were taught in our lectures was the beauty of the 5.56mm round being interchangeable with the .223 Remington and the 7.62mm being interchangeable the .308 Winchester. I am building my gun collection based on this, i know many who have done the same.
MilitiaHQ 3 weeks ago
@MilitiaHQ I appreciate the support. the 5.56 will take the .223 but not the other way around but the .308 and the 7.62x51 are exactly the same. Thank You again bro... : )
ChromeFreak123 3 weeks ago
Great video, this one goes in my favorites. I am thinking about adding a .308 to my collection
beelikestowatch 3 weeks ago
@beelikestowatch Its a great round thats for sure. I hope you get it. Thanks. : )
ChromeFreak123 3 weeks ago
Amen!
MrSjaakie1987 1 month ago
@MrSjaakie1987 Thanks. lol. : )
ChromeFreak123 1 month ago
You should not have gone through the trouble because some idiot thought he was right but good video I'm sure it made it clear to him
96tinman 1 month ago
@96tinman Thank you, I appreciate it. Your right but ignorance just gets to me. lol. Thanks again bro... : )
ChromeFreak123 1 month ago
@96tinman Yes, I agree but if you read through the comments, you will see there are a lot of people confused by this. Thanks. : )
ChromeFreak123 1 month ago
also in some rifles damage can occur when using a 308 or 7.62 in a rifle that chambers the other but is unlikey personaly i would stick to using whatever the rifle is chambered for just in case also i wouldnt trust a CETME manual
TheNERFDUDE97 1 month ago
@TheNERFDUDE97 Please, tell me what rifles that would be because they are the same round. The CETME is a great battle rifle and the predessor to the G3. The G3 has different sights but for all intents and purposes, they also are pretty much the same. Thanks. : )
ChromeFreak123 1 month ago
@ChromeFreak123 it is mainly when the user doesnt clean or take care of their rifle that is chambered for 7.62 and use a .308 it isnt much to do with the round but if the rifle is in bad nic then the extra pressure can screw it up and yes i know all about the G3 and the CETME and they arent as simmilar as you think it is roller delayed blowback that is what links them which was first tried in the mg42 and stg 45
TheNERFDUDE97 1 month ago
@TheNERFDUDE97 Listen, I am not trying to be a jerk, I really appreciate the conversation but the CETME battle rifle and the G# are the same gun also. The sights are different but everything besides a few cosmetic things are the exact same. If your military battle rifle is in good working condition, you can shoot .308 all day everyday because they are the same. Thanks buddy. : )
ChromeFreak123 1 month ago
@ChromeFreak123 yes i know if the rifle is clean but if it has been around and poorly looked after the risk of a malfunction with .308 is higher that 7.62x51 also the CETME and the G3 are are almost the same internaly and function the same in nearly every way unless the CETME you have is a mordern comercilised version with internals from a G3 then they arent the same
TheNERFDUDE97 1 month ago
@ChromeFreak123 because the CETME was a post ww2 project but HK took it and change a few things they didn't like about it not just external but internal aswell that is why the CETME never really kicked off
TheNERFDUDE97 1 month ago
@TheNERFDUDE97 They are exactly the same, the only differences are cosmetic. The CETME was the predecessor of the G3 and was Spains main battle rifle, it took off great. The parts on the CETME will interchange with the G3. Thanks.
ChromeFreak123 1 month ago
they are not the same but they both work in the same weapon systems
TheNERFDUDE97 1 month ago
@TheNERFDUDE97 They are exactly the same round. The brass on military ammo is thicker but the external dimensions are the same. If you do not want to believe me, Google Lyman and see what they say on this subject. Thank You. : )
ChromeFreak123 1 month ago
@ChromeFreak123 yes i know when i said they are not the same i mean the brass is thicker technicaly they are not the same because of this but other than that they are
TheNERFDUDE97 1 month ago
will this work in my savage edge and remington 700 .308? i would like cheaper ammo. but i dont want to blow up in my 700 dollar gun
MrThepipelayer1 1 month ago
308 Winchester (SAAMI) Gauges
GO - 1.6300"
NOGO - 1.6340"
FIELD - 1.6380"
Shop (Military) Gauges
GO - 1.6350"
NOGO - 1.6405"
FIELD - 1.6455"
MrDip02 2 months ago
@MrDip02 The difference is the chambers of the firearms not the ammo. The ammo has the exact same outside dimensions. Thanks. I will say it again, if you decide to shoot .308 Win. in an old military surplus rifle, use 150 grain ball ammo and the only other thing would be to worry if you are a reloader, the brass is thicker in a NATO cartridge but once again, the outside dimensions are the same. Stay away from hot loaded hunting ammo and you should be fine. Thanks.
ChromeFreak123 2 months ago
@ChromeFreak123 still it would not be that recommended since it's mostly the pressure that is the problem with it or is it under your more control when you reload and mean by not to use hot rounds
MrDip02 2 months ago
so can any of yall answer this i found some 7.62x51 nato from a while back and i bought a .308 savage so can i shoot the 7.62x51 nato out of it...
XxTHENEMESISxX603 2 months ago
@XxTHENEMESISxX603 I would say yes. It is the hot hunting rounds fired from an old military firearm where you would or should have any worries. It is the same round. The brass is thicker so the only worry you should have is if you are reloading. Thanks.
ChromeFreak123 2 months ago
So I have a marlin .308 win bolt action rifle your saying I can shoot the cheaper 7.62x51 out of it and save some money because these .308 are shooting holes in my wallet. Noted I will only be shooting it for fun not actually hunting with the 7.62, also I add whenever I say 7.62 I always want to follow up with x54r lol
southerngraff 2 months ago
@southerngraff I would think you would have no problems. It is the same round and you should call the manufacturer and see what they say. The round is the same dimensions exactly. The only differences are the thickness of the brass itself and should only affect reloaders. I do however, when shooting .308 in a mil. surp. rifle, I will stick with the 150 grain because that is what the military uses in the rifle. Thanks. : ) No 54R out of it, lol. : )
ChromeFreak123 2 months ago
@southerngraff it is not recommended since the maximum of a 7.62 is around 50.000 PSI and .308 has only 65.000
MrDip02 2 months ago
@southerngraff haha take out "only" makes it sounds so little
MrDip02 2 months ago
I friend of mine (me present) almost crush the extractor mechanism of a brand new Mosberg .308 win rifle just by shooting 7.62 x 51 NATO ammo. The ammo get locked after a few shoots when the rifle get some hot. I heard later he sold the gun and the lucky buyer could finally broke the extractor by trying to remove the 7.62 shell.
It is true is NOT the same ammo, so it's predectible it will behave in a different way each rifle. But that difference could be imperceptible.
jbobautes 3 months ago
@jbobautes Brother, its the same ammo. I am not sure what you mean by crushing the extractor, the ammo is the same and if you had extractor problems, it was more than likely not the ammo. If your manufacturer says only run .308 commercial, then only run commercial but the out dimensions of the round are exactly the same. Thanks. : )
ChromeFreak123 3 months ago
CAT GET OUT OF HERE. Hahaha. Great video.
QuattroStig 3 months ago
@QuattroStig I know, my cats or our babies as my wife and I call them, always come alive when I do a video, its funny. Sorry for the distraction. Thanks. : )
ChromeFreak123 3 months ago
Exact same round
TheCTBproduction 3 months ago
@TheCTBproduction Thank You. !!! : )
ChromeFreak123 3 months ago
DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nuclearthreat545 3 months ago
@nuclearthreat545 Exactly !!! : )
ChromeFreak123 3 months ago
hello I am from Denmark I am 17 years old and just got my hunting license so just bought a brno rifel and ammotion box says 308 winchester 7.62 X51. I am not an expert but I think you are right. sorry if there are some spelling fails :).
Xcrp12 4 months ago 3
@Xcrp12 See that, you are 17 and have more sense than the moron that got me mad enough to make that video. lol. Thanks brother. They are the same size round, I would however only use the 150 grain .308 in military firearms unless the manufacturer says differently. You spelling is fine and thanks again. : )
ChromeFreak123 4 months ago 2
THANK you bro for making this video it really help me :D
Xcrp12 4 months ago
@Xcrp12 I am the one that thanks you for watching. I mean it, i really do appreciate it. : )
ChromeFreak123 4 months ago
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Xcrp12 4 months ago
@ChromeFreak123 I think SAAMI deemed .308 and 7.62 x 51 interchangeable
omgiTsmeJon 1 month ago
DID HE EVER WRITE BACK TO YOU AND TELL YOU THE SAME THING, AND LET YOU KNOW HE STILL THINKS YOU ARE WRONG? DAMN IT!!!
TheMedievalMan 4 months ago
@TheMedievalMan No, he made a video trying to show he is right but it just showed the ignorance. Moron would be an appropriate word. lol. Thanks bud. : )
ChromeFreak123 4 months ago
dude i have that same 7.62 by 51mm surplus ammo
nikosusa1 5 months ago
@nikosusa1 Good stuff. Thanks. : )
ChromeFreak123 5 months ago
Not
zach22hill 6 months ago
Yes.. And it doesn't kick as bad either I also have a 30-06 model 700 in wood stock.. Nice and accurate but quit as good as the 308
zach22hill 6 months ago
I'll see about doing a vid.. Still haven't even shot it. It's killing me.. Shooting it over weekend, should be be good..
zach22hill 6 months ago
@zach22hill I bet. I cant wait for you to shoot it, I love this round. It has basically the ballistics as the 30.06 in a much smaller package. very Sweet. : )
ChromeFreak123 6 months ago
Ya it did. And I was just wondering because I just bought a new rem 700 sps tact aac-sd.. And am now putting all my parts on such as base scope ext.
zach22hill 6 months ago
@zach22hill That is great, you got yourself a beautiful rifle, would love to see it on video bro... Great buy, you will be happy with it. : )
ChromeFreak123 6 months ago
*applause*
noob5000000 6 months ago
@noob5000000 Thank you Sir, it is appreciated. : )
ChromeFreak123 6 months ago
I have run plenty of good quality Nato 7.62x51 thru my DPMS LR308 without a single
malfunction. The Nato primers are harder and the cases a bit thicker and annealed.
These differences only make the nato round a more rugged and dependable round for combat.
I would shoot Nato ammo anyday before shooting reloads unless the reloader is a
trusted source.
dontbackdown 6 months ago
I was told not to use .308 in a mill rifle because of the floating firing pin in mill rifles. I was told that 7.62 have tougher primers made to allow the fireing pin to contact the primer without causeing a missfire. is this true?
michaelf1900 6 months ago
@michaelf1900 If you use .308 in a battle rifle, I would stick with the 150 grain bullet weight but besides that, it is a myth. The military rifles were made to shoot the 150 grain round so, it is just common sense to stay with that but beside that, they are the same round and everything else is a myth. Thanks, you can also do some research on your own but I advise you stay away from the message boards because there is alot of crap in some of them. Real research will show, they are the same. : )
ChromeFreak123 6 months ago
Cool.. I'll try it after I get it sighted in.. Do you know much about Remington 700s?
zach22hill 6 months ago
@zach22hill I know some, they are great target or precision rifles, very accurate and some police agencies do use them for sniper rifles. I have access to one though. If you want a disassembly, I know enough to do that. I hope this answers your question. Thanks. : )
ChromeFreak123 6 months ago
Good job man, I don't think you could have said that any better And it cleared up the difference for me I was wondering and just haven't had time to check multiple sources..
zach22hill 6 months ago
@zach22hill They are the same round but I would stick to the 150 grain rounds in the Mil. Surp. guns but they are the same. Thanks. : )
ChromeFreak123 6 months ago
@ChromeFreak123
cool. i probobly wont shoot to many 7.62 out of my gun cuz i mostly hunt with it so im gonna be using something like winchester ballistic silvertip, but to plink might use mil surp. and glad to see that there is some people who actually does research and doesnt just blow smoke...
zach22hill 6 months ago
@zach22hill You should have very few issues, not saying every round will always work but it won't blow your gun up. lol. Thanks. : )
ChromeFreak123 6 months ago
That guy was trollin'
FeelThePunkBlast 6 months ago
@FeelThePunkBlast No bro..., He was dead serious and even made videos about it. lol. A real brain surgeon. : ) Thanks.
ChromeFreak123 6 months ago
Agreed with you. The time you could get some problem is in reloading if you neck size only something that’s been fired in 7.62 and then take it over to a 308win rifle, then it may not chamber or possible obd problem (but that's a seperate issue).
combatl1 6 months ago
@combatl1 Exactly, thank you I could not have said it better. Thank You for having a brain. : )
ChromeFreak123 6 months ago
Hi all , in lebanon in 1986 we fired mil spec .308 and nato spec 7.62mm they are the exact same....
brendn1264 7 months ago
@brendn1264 Thank you for the contribution to this comment section. That is exactly my point to thje guy who I made this video for. It is unreal that some people read something on a message board and because of that, it must be a fact. lol. I agree, they are the same round. Thank you Sir. : )
ChromeFreak123 7 months ago
shot 7.62 milsurp from my zastava lk m70 no problems.
JJchingy 7 months ago
@JJchingy Exactly. lol. : ) Thanks.
ChromeFreak123 7 months ago
@TheHEADonWHEELS lol, I do love my cats, they are like my babies but can get in the way at the worst possible times. lol. Thanks again. : )
ChromeFreak123 7 months ago
Haha just kidding. nice vid response.
FlyingKiwi1987 7 months ago
@FlyingKiwi1987 lol. Thanks. : )
ChromeFreak123 7 months ago
ur wrong
FlyingKiwi1987 7 months ago
AWESOME Haha, Great Video and Fuck That Guy LMAO Great Response Video, Extremely Well put together and
fishfrizbee 8 months ago
@fishfrizbee lol, Thans for the support. i do appreciate it, sometimes these people read a comment on a message board and they completely believe it, it amazes me. lol. Thanks again. : )
ChromeFreak123 8 months ago
@ChromeFreak123 will U do a video on .223/5.56x45 < thanks
9408994041 8 months ago
@9408994041 Yes, This has been requested several times and I will get around to doing it. Itt will not be long. Thanks just please be patient. : )
ChromeFreak123 8 months ago
@ChromeFreak123 O.k thanks
9408994041 8 months ago
i really appreciate clar vid like that whit real source!
you respond to my question and im happy!
so you go a new subscriber man
vinyvinyboy 8 months ago
@vinyvinyboy I appreciate the sub., I will always answer comments and pm's, always. It might take me up to a week sometimes because of work but I will always answer. I promise you that, if someone takes the time to write me anything, good or bad, I will respond. Thank you. : )
ChromeFreak123 8 months ago
@SuperEffectsMASTER I hear you bro.. That is because they are the same round. lol. I don't understand some of these guys and where they get their info. I will say that on old military firearms that are chambered in 7.62x51, make sure you shoot the 150 grain .308 Win. rounds because that was what they were designed to fire. The NATO spec. 7.62x51 is a 150 grain round, you stay with that and you won't have any issues. Thanks for the input, it means a lot to me. : )
ChromeFreak123 8 months ago
Thanks chrome, and thanks to who ever pissed you off. I have been looking for clairification on this subject, I am looking buying a norinco m305 (m1a clone) I have heard of head space problems with the gun but I was unsure if it was a using 308 ammo in a 7.62 NATO issue or just a manufacturing issue.
augpro1 9 months ago
@augpro1 I would stick with the 150 grain loads. That is what the NATO spec. rounds are. Unless your owners manual says otherwise, you should have 0 problems. Thanks for the input and your support. You should check my partner channel out, it is kwgunworks. Thanks again. : )
ChromeFreak123 9 months ago
HELL YEAH!!!!! Not too many people on youtube know what they are talking about. You sir are a breath of fresh air.
philyfred 9 months ago
@philyfred Well I really appreciate that, it means a lot to me. I have about 115 videos up and have plans for a lot more. I also ask you to check out my partner channel K&W Gun Works. Their youtube channel is kwgunworks. I get going about things like the topic in this video, common sense should be used more often but I guess there are just some people that have none. lol. Thank you again.
ChromeFreak123 9 months ago
Hey ChromeFreak can you tell me the difference between the 5.56 and .223 round? Or make a vid that would be even better. Thanks!!!
7commenter7 9 months ago
@7commenter7 There is a slight difference and I am actually planning a ammo video soon. I hope to do it within about a month. I am super busy and have a couple of more important videos first. That is not to say that ammo is not, well you know what I mean. lol. Thank you.
ChromeFreak123 9 months ago
@ChromeFreak123 lol, and after watching a few more of your vids I subbed!
7commenter7 9 months ago
@7commenter7 I really do appreciate that. It means a lot to me. : )
ChromeFreak123 9 months ago
@7commenter7 i think they are the same aswell i believe it is just another controversy like the 308 7.62x51 thing
148scalemodeling 7 months ago
obama
MrFrankO23 9 months ago
@MrFrankO23 Ok, I did not vote for him. lol. Thanks. : )
ChromeFreak123 9 months ago
anytime... gun brother make sure you use your 2nd amendment... and i voted for him
MrFrankO23 9 months ago
@MrFrankO23 Voted for who ? I love the Constitution and yes the Second amendment is the one that was put into place to protect the others. lol. Thanks and I love the comments. It might take me a few days to respond, because of work but I will always respond. Thank you.
ChromeFreak123 9 months ago
thank you for showing this. More d**k head...." backwoods dumb asses".... think they know every thing just becaues they got internet two weeks ago
MrFrankO23 9 months ago
@MrFrankO23 Thank you, I could not have said it better. You are exactly right on, the internet makes every one am expert. lol. At least in their mind. lol . : )
ChromeFreak123 9 months ago
"Thats the way it was left last night. *Meow* cat get out of here!" LULZ
orangecake124 9 months ago
@orangecake124 lol.
ChromeFreak123 9 months ago
i run 7.62 through my winchester model 70 308, and as for me, 0 problemes. the guy who was giving you shit knows absolute fuck all. ignore him and lets enjoy our sport!
fordtractors4100 10 months ago
@fordtractors4100 lol. Thanks brother, I appreciate it. Thank you.
ChromeFreak123 10 months ago
@ChromeFreak123 no probleme man anytime
fordtractors4100 10 months ago
Yeah, even DSA says it's no big difference.
TheRiverRabbit 10 months ago
@TheRiverRabbit Thank you for understanding. I do appreciate it. : )
ChromeFreak123 10 months ago
That's why I just troll and move on.Every single time when someone is wrong I'm not gonna make a video.I found you very informative in this one.Thanks
venyusz01 11 months ago
@venyusz01 Thank you, I would love to be able to troll but I just don't have it in me. lol. Thanks for your input.
ChromeFreak123 11 months ago
Very well done. My understanding is that you could always shoot civilian cartridges in military chambered guns, but not vice versa.
thebudgetarmory1 11 months ago
@thebudgetarmory1 Not at all. That is an story and really not true. My answer to that is, Berrreta 92fs is the US military's sidearm, well mostly. lol. Anyways, you can shoot all 9mm rounds through it and it will not blow up in your hands, factory 9mm and military 9mm, even though the brass on military ammo is thicker, same as 7.62x51 brass. Why is it only the .308 round that people seem to make an issue over. It makes no sense. This started on an internet comment board years ago. It is wrong.
ChromeFreak123 11 months ago
@thebudgetarmory1 Also, I love your videos brother, you are a funny guy. Keep it up.
ChromeFreak123 11 months ago
Great explanation! I've been shooting both .308 WIN and 7.62x51 NATO out of my DSA FAL for awhile now and never thought much about it. I've never read the owners manual I must confess. I've had zero problems. I bet you never heard from him again.
eledgetl 11 months ago
@eledgetl You will probably never have any issues because it is the same round. lol. Thanks and I would love to see the FAL.
ChromeFreak123 11 months ago
@eledgetl pretty sure the cap can be harder as well in a NATO round. the firing pin in say an armalite ar10 or dpms 308 rifle may not fire a round because of the hard cap, whereas an m14 will have no problem finishing it off. a 308 usually uses a softer cap. good things to know if you pull the trigger and nothing happens or it jams -Mitch
mitchellintrieri 11 months ago
Very good explaination. There are some other small differences that were not mentioned. 7.62 NATO spec brass (for the U.S.) is required to be annealed around the neck of the cartridge, usually identified by visible discoloration. Annealing creates more ductility in the effected area, allowing it to expand to fit the chamber better. Also, they are generally crimped around the groove in the projectile to provide a better seal to keep out moisture. Some .308's may have these features as well.
Joester41 11 months ago
@Joester41 I appreciate your contribution to the comments. I understand I did not include all but my main point was that the manufacturer says it is good to go, that is good enough for me. lol. Thanks again, it means a lot to me.
ChromeFreak123 11 months ago
"that's the way it was left last night cat get out of here."
lol
HammeredAndHorny 1 year ago 2
@HammeredAndHorny Very good, lol. Thanks.
ChromeFreak123 1 year ago
@HammeredAndHorny Very good, lol. Thanks.
ChromeFreak123 1 year ago
thx 4 the info, CF! good job in doing ur research on 7.62 x 51mm/.308 Win rounds. Sounds like ur dealing w/a troll (have dealt w/a few myself;welcome 2 youtube,lol)! don't let the trolls rile u. as long as u have facts, that's all u need. take care brother & keep ur powder dry. Peace!
qaomowale 1 year ago
@qaomowale I thank you for the support. I klnow that trolls are part of the package but boy can they be annoying. lol. Thanks.
ChromeFreak123 1 year ago
nato and the 308 is not the same lmfao there not the same but they shoot out of the same gun like shot shells 3in to 2 3/4 out of the same 12 guage it fits it shoots
wootwoot409 1 year ago
@wootwoot409 Ok, Do some research and not read comments on a gun forum. They are the same except the thickness of the cartridge itself but the outside diameter is exactly the same. There are some commercial rounds that are loaded hotter but, They are the same round. Thanks.
ChromeFreak123 1 year ago
We are all ignorant to some degree. I feel for anyone who hears something and believes it to be gospel without doing the research, for themselves, to backup what it is they have heard. I also feel bad for those people who stick their heads in the sand and refuse to listen to reason or keep an open mind. None of us know everything.
Thank for the informative video. Keep it up and way to go on backing up your information. Yea'who's like that..., well I am not going to go there. Great Video!
TheRubberDuck139 1 year ago
@TheRubberDuck139 I thank you for understanding. I do not know everything and certainly am not by any means an expert but, a little research goes a long way. lol. Thanks for your contribution.
ChromeFreak123 1 year ago
@TheRubberDuck139 sounds like Washington D.C.
eledgetl 11 months ago
308 in a m240 bad idea split case and blown primers
TheCwag 1 year ago
@TheCwag My main point to the moron I was having a problem with is, if the manufacturer says it is ok to shoot .308, then it is ok to shoot .308. lol. Thanks.
ChromeFreak123 1 year ago
In other words for the dumbass who thinks he knows his ammo but doesn't this is what he is basically saying; "F**k you, get a life".
More power to ya Chromefreak. Ignore morons, the jackass probably has never even owned a firearm.
Ruzai 1 year ago
@Ruzai You are right, I should have just ignored him. lol. It just got a little under my skin. Thank you.
ChromeFreak123 1 year ago
Good video Chromefreak hate to state the obvious but you are 110% right!
rednecksurf 1 year ago
@rednecksurf Thank you Sir, I thank you for having my back.
ChromeFreak123 1 year ago
Case head separation is a relatively occurrence.
Jrhoney 1 year ago
@Jrhoney It happens but in the case of my Cetme, it has not happened to me. I will say my Bushmaster was notorious for shredding shells. lol. Thanks.
ChromeFreak123 1 year ago
You know people like chromefreak should actully get a thank you...the keep posting good quality vids that inform and leave the BS out even when bombarded by Counterstrike and Call of Duty experts who in 99% of the time have not even handled the weapon outside of some computer game that they try to lecture actual shooters or soldiers who have used the damn weapon for real...keep the vids coming man just ignore the kids
britparainexile71 1 year ago
@britparainexile71 I will keep making the vids, just got to get through the next 5 to 7 weeks and then I will have more time for more videos. I really appreciate the support. Thanks and please comment when you can.
ChromeFreak123 1 year ago
ha ha ha i loved ur talk down to that guy i even learned something today i thought those 2 calibers were apples and oranges ur awesome!
Killa762 1 year ago
@Killa762 Thanks, I appreciate the support.
ChromeFreak123 1 year ago
@ChromeFreak123 no problem
Killa762 1 year ago
cemte was made to shoot anything through it... why it was a great battle rifle
ndredneck79 1 year ago
@ndredneck79 I really love this rifle. It is a tank. Thanks. : )
ChromeFreak123 1 year ago
You cannot shoot .308 ammo out of a Cetme rifle.End of story.
Stompajiggayo 1 year ago
@Stompajiggayo Ok here we go another know it all. . lol The manufacturer has .308 as the round that the rifle is chambered in but I guess you know more than they do. lol.
ChromeFreak123 1 year ago
@ChromeFreak123 You are clearly inncorrect.You have it backwards.It is in fact the 802. round that this rifle shoots.Don't question me old man.I'm a 13 year old expert,who has played the entire Call Of Duty series,so you can know,that I know,what i'm writting about.
Stompajiggayo 1 year ago
@Stompajiggayo lol : )
ChromeFreak123 1 ye