I love Kurt Cobain and Nirvana, and I do think Courtney is crazy, but I've never entertained the rumor that she did this. But this is pretty compelling stuff if all true. Mainly the credit card info...definitely, if that were just your average joe domestic situation, I bet people would've gone to trial. Motive, weapon handy, divorce talk...yikes.
@kaimae1212 Although i do think she had him killed, the credit card info is easy to explain,when ever i charge something on my card it sometimes takes days to show up, Kurt did try to use the card and it declined many have said he tried to use he may have threww it away when it didnt work for him
@kylas124 Be aware that in this case it takes not even an hour! Read the "Cobain Case Study Manual" or the book "Love & Death" by Iab Halperin and Max Wallace and you'll see.This issue is proven very well.
@negativecreep1993 I have read both as well as everything i could get my hands on, i have doubts with some of the evidence to be honest, for instance the suicide note, they clearly say a different hand wrote the bottom part but if you read Kurts journals there are many pages where the writing is small and goes larger just like the note, i am not saying he want murdered dont get me wrong , i personally am sceptical at some of the proof they use as fact, also Kurt was depresssed 1/2
@negativecreep1993 Duff was on the plane with him and said he was worried about him also a driver said he picked Kurt up and Kurt as looking for bullets seriously all i am saying is lets look at ALL the facts this is a problem i have with the justice system things are always left out, i do however lean more towards the fact he a murdered but have not yet seen 100% proof of this
@EngineOfRuin look at the evidence!!! a depressed and suicidal rock star with a loaded gun... its obvious courtney cox was jeleous of his fame and money so her rachel and phoebe...and the illuminati hired an italian hitman thru martin scorsese to kill kurt and frame his wife courtney love...cursing her to forever have autisticly obsessed geeks write conspiracies about her on youtube videos.
@ashleekilledgod ok friend calm down, i know your very upset by the sudden news that kurt has been run over by a tractor but no need to take it out on me, justice for Kurt, kill all tractors.....raaaah its a conspiracy i tell thee
Kurt Cobain wanted Courtney out of the will she found out and had him killed police were payed off or had no trace as it could of been done by a professional could of been in on it must of been a murder. she did a missing persons report to find out if people had information on kurts where abouts got the information hunted him down and killed him. Anyone else like this theory?
I'm still very suspicious about all of this, just because the guy was depressed and was on heroin, and wrote songs about suicide, the Seattle police force essentially came to the conclusion of suicide using these things as proof, they did such a terrible job on the case, it NEEDS to be re-opened. I mean no fingerprints on the shotgun? Injected with 3 times a lethal dose of heroin which he would OD immediately afterwards? Also bearing in mind Courtney can be quite dangerous. RE-OPEN THE CASE!!
He was shot when he was already dead, that's why there was no much blood near him, his face was intact, and people who killed him where high of heroine as Kurt but they had took less portions of drgus, just to be warning during the execution.
Seattle authorities must reopen the case, we have to do something!!!!!!
Not one person commenting on these videos was there in the room with him the day he died. None of you really know what happened, and that's the way it will always be.
I think it is very possible Courtney had Kurt killed, I also think it is possible Kurt took his own life there is evidence pointing to both senerios, I just want Justice for Kurt! I want to know either way, I think this case should be reopened, I am sure a cop from our age group will open the investigation back up some day I really hope so!!
there is a petition to reopen the Kurt Cobain case. it needs 5000 signers and only has almost 2000. if you think Kurt was murdered, sign this petition. --> to do that, go to google and type REOPEN THE KURT COBAIN CASE, GIVE KURT THE JUSTICE HE NEEDS"
Someone must've been TRYING to pull strings by putting the tires out. Who does that? Someone who killed him? To tell us how fucked up he/she, too thought his death was? Or maybe Kurt's alive; he'll come back... or never. So the tires were popped so that information works like an electronic shield over armor to make sure we still don't think he's alive.
Another thing i find intresting i say about the drugs found in Kurt system.. We know he had THREE lethal dozes and Diazpam (found in the beet-root can), he had needle marks in both arms?? he had with that amount rolled both sleeves down (no Needle) which had been packed away with all the other drug paraphernalia..But when Layne Staley dyed from a Speedball (Cocaine/Herion) mixed together was found 2 weeks later still with the needle in his arm and hand, when Kurt had more than that, had none
Why can they not re-open the case? they have SO much more advanced technology these days for it. I just think it's so sad that IF it was murder, which from what I have seen and heard, sounds pretty promising, that who ever done it, has got away with it. What a sad world.
@motocarnage615 I have heard of rigor mortis joints lock a while after death. But his death was instant. Think about it how can you shoot yourself with a shotgun? You either had 2 have long monkey arms, use your toes or if the shotgun was sawed off.
@Bigmelo7 It wasn't a Musket the shotgun was a 20 gauge it's a decent sized gun they even come in youth models though I doubt by judging the picture Kurt's gun was a youth model but, you slide the butt end of the gun on a 35 degree angle... it's only about 26" from the barrel to the trigger now your average guitar is about 25" if you can rest your mouth on the head stock and reach the end of your fret board you've more than completed the task.
Funny, because when I read up on musicians who commit suicide their lives were so much better than Kurt's, they had little to kill themselves about. And I'd say there's a 99% chance he was murdered. More realistically, 100% chance he was murdered. Also, why would he leave his daughter? Face it people. He was murdered.
@PowderedHappines Why would he leave his daughter? Has he not said that he didn't want her to be part of a divorce family? That he knew he could not protect her from the emdia? That he didn't want her to have junky parents? Face it people. He killed himself. He hated his life and everything about it.
since he had so much heroin, he would have probably been to weak to pick something like a shotgun up, besides that gun was meant for protection. also kurt was planning on changing the band around and all kinda stuff and when people accused him of being in a bad mood he told them that he really wasnt
why would a dude who never gave a fuk about what people thought feel it was better to burn out than fade away.and not consider his daughter suffering .obviously his parents effected him profoundly and were a root to alot of his own pain. so why would he do that to her.i think the dude was killed man cuz i dont think he would
The Seattle police need to reopen this case. His daughter needs to know he did not abandon her. He is one of the greatest rock legends of all time and it is a tragidy that he is being remembered as having taken his own life. Justice for Kurt Cobain.
at first i believed murder, then i did a bit of research and thought it through from a mutual perspective and thought it was suicide. i've recently done a shit load of research and made sure what i read is fact. it was fucking murder no doubt. the suicide note was a note to say he's quitting nirvana to the fans, last part is courtney writing.
he was murdered but i highly doubt it was courtney, she may be greedier, but its just a combination of booze, drugs and just being selfish, she however isnt like this anymore. Honestly, it was probably the label that killed, probably just took out a 'Michael Jackson' style insurance policy out on him.
What I think happened is that Wrench broke in to Kurt's house or Kurt's wife gave him the keys slashed the tires of Kurt's Volvo then found Kurt and held him a gun point and made Kurt inject himself with a lethal amount of heroin, then when he passed out from it Wrench finished the job and made it look like a suicide then took Kurt's credit cards and went out to party while he waited to get the 50+ grand from Kurt's wife, if he did not get it before it happened.
What I think happened is that Wrench broke in to Kurt's house or Kurt's wife gave him the keys slashed the tires of Kurt's Volvo then found Kurt and held him a gun point and made Kurt inject himself with a lethal amount of heroin, then when he passed out from it Wrench finished the job and made it look like a suicide then took Kurt's credit cards and went out to party while he waited to get the 50+ grand from Kurt's wife, if he did not get it before it happened.
there it just sales alot more if a manic depressive drug addictted face of rock in roll killed him self in a blaze of glory insted of his bitch whife murdering him.
@TranKQuill27 What I think happened is that Wrench broke in to Kurt's house or Kurt's wife gave him the keys slashed the tires of Kurt's Volvo then found Kurt and held him a gun point and made Kurt inject himself with a lethal amount of heroin, then when he passed out from it Wrench finished the job and made it look like a suicide then took Kurt's credit cards and went out to party while he waited to get the 50+ grand from Kurt's wife, if he did not get it before it happened.
know one told him also exsplain why the credit card that cobain used to get back to seattle was still being used after he died until the body was discovered an it hit the news now know one will ever truly know what hapen to kurt cobain ecsept for courtney love an the guy that was there with cobain the night that he died but the evidence is there
@TranKQuill27 yeah so the guy told her about Allen Wrench and Allen did it, that mothefucker is the reason Kurt is not here being the great guy he was, cuz of his bitch wife and that fucking scum Allen wrench. Right after Kurt died that fucker got himself a 70's vet, new house, and more. He should be rotting in jail and so should his wife.
I kinda believe that Bradley Barnett did meet Kurt and talked to him, and after he left, Wrench somehow killed Kurt. Read up on it guys.
there for is why it is proven fact that the body was shot with the shot gun after death that was the reason for the lack of blood because the shot was inflected on cobain after postmortem. because if he shot him self while being alive there would have been a substaneial amount of blood due to the hart still beating till the body died. that an tom grant did not even know about the green house
yeah so the guy told her about Allen Wrench and Allen did it, that mothefucker is the reason Kurt is not here being the great guy he was, cuz of his bitch wife and that fucking scum Allen wrench. Right after Kurt died that fucker got himself a 70's vet, new house, and more. He should be rotting in jail and so should his wife.
I kinda believe that Bradley Barnett did meet Kurt and talked to him, and after he left, Wrench somehow killed Kurt. Read up on it guys.
pruchased it for him on march 30th cobain entered rehab on april 1st left on the 3rd went back to the house an lost his life sometime between the night of the fourth or erly on the 5th but the amount of herion found in his body was enough to kill him 3 times over.
which are all good reasons but to someone who doesent want to give up his addicition at that moment in time it is all just irrevalent. so he did it for all of them and then just after 48 hours his demons over came him as an addicition grew to over come the reality of getting better. but he pruchased the shot gun before he went to rehab or had dilan carolson
@TranKQuill27 What I think happened is that Wrench broke in to Kurt's house or Kurt's wife gave him the keys slashed the tires of Kurt's Volvo then found Kurt and held him a gun point and made Kurt inject himself with a lethal amount of heroin, then when he passed out from it Wrench finished the job and made it look like a suicide then took Kurt's credit cards and went out to party while he waited to get the 50+ grand from Kurt's wife, if he did not get it before it happened.
on the leaving rehab part. he had an adiction that most people are not able to over come. and it wasent like he went willing. the lable,close friends, family and the band all kinda pressured him into it. the lable threten to drop nirvana even if the were the top saling band at the period. friends and family were pearprussring him and the band was saying that just wanted to see him healthy again.
of wanting to retier from music and nirvana devorce courtney take frances leave seattle and start a new life now how would that help courtney and her life and fame being the girl that the grunge king left because of the abuseive lying cheating narsosistic gold digging whore she was dont get me wrong kurt loved her so much and even in the end he loved her just couldnt deal with her and if courtney couldent have kurt no one could so r.i.p kurt your were a grate insperation and i am glad 2 be a fan
she did offer him he thought she wasent serious and went on to take a lie ditector test and passed it love called nick bloomfild the derector and make very strong threts to sue him and have his head on a platter after she found out that el douchay came out about the offer el douchay was found dead on some train tracks 1 week later to the day murderd. cobains crime scene photo graphs were never devoloped and set in a seattle police evedence room still to this day cobain was murdered because of
the green house when if dilyn was cobain best friend he would have taken grant to the green house cause it was cobain's personal place he liked to use or get into his substences because of keeping them away from frances and him an dilyn have been there plenty of times and it was also reported that love offerd a man called el douchay a sum of 50,000 dollars to kill cobain and make it look like a suicide and if you watch the documentry kurt and courtney that man came out and said that she did
it is true the mass media thinks we are all blind the blood or lack of blood because cobain was already dead and in post mordem when the shot gun was fired thats why there was the lack of blood cobain died from the fatel injection of herion that he was givin. the gun was finger printed about a month later when it should of been finger printed the same day. dilyn carolson and tom grant went wed. night april 6th they had went to the cobain home and went all threw the house and every where but the
@TheExoudous did you miss the interview where he says that after his daughter was born he was much happier , and that he was barely depressed anymore, did you miss the fact that he was in the process of taking courtney out of his will, did you miss the fact that someone else was using his credit card right up untill his body was found, the fact that the police didnt check the shotguns fingerprints for weeks. the police didnt do a propper investigation so the case should be reopened
Living in Germany, I really don't get it! Watched quite a few videos about Kurt's death now, even the 'official' ones clearly point towards something else then suicide.
Didn't his family complain about this? Man, if he was my brother or son, I would continue until the last stone was turned upside down.
Thanks for this video btw, very clear information!
His family has made public announcements telling the world they all know Kurt killed himself, and begging cospiracists to stop because it hurts them a lot. The only member of Kurts family who believes in the murder theory is Kurts granpa,and we all know it is because he is lonely in Montesano and a lot of conspiracists go visit him. Sad.
All these videos back up their theories with gossip, not with evidence. Kurt killed himself.
@floppingnoni: Something happened that needed, and still needs, my attention. But you deserve an answer. Even without the conspiracy videos this case smells fishy. We solved murder-cases much more difficult to reorganized as a murder-case then this one. You won't believe how many people are buried that didn't die of natural causes, but still the coroner things so. This investigation is very incomplete.
I feel sorry for the family, but respect their choice, although I think they are wrong.
@TheExoudous You're a dickhead. the fact that you would eve say 'Plus, good thing he shot himself. He sucked.' shows that you are a disgrace to humanity. Obviously you have no empathy for human life at all, and that my friend, makes you an asshole and not human at all. I hope you have fun in hell.
Any of you ever realized the guy became the biggest rock star of his generation, got married, became a father all in a short span. Kurt had all these stresses as well as being documented in his own words mentally unstable, not to mention dealing with all these things while touring the world and being addicted to heroin fun!
and if you knew your shit, you would know he was in fact a huge star at the time, but it wasn't until after he died people looked at him like he was god.
Kurt was treated like he was a god way before he died. I quote Kurt (1993): "There's nothing more embarrassing than a group of people walking up to you and praising you like you're some kind of fucking god, it's embarrassing". Search cobain interview metal (minute 3'13)
This is the complete video i made. You only can hear the complete audio interview with Tom Grant at the link i added in the information section of this video.
@negativecreep1993 Someone else had mentioned there was a complete greenhouse video (there's parts of it in your video - yours is the most complete one I've seen) that had been floating around in the early 2000s. It showed more of Kurt's body, etc. It must be out there somewhere, I doubt they just filmed the parts shown here.
Why were there so many people inthe greenhouse?Not a Proper CrimeScene SPD claims They investaged as homicide.Another strange thing isthat the spent shell that killed cobain was found on top of his jacket on the FLOOR northof his body.The guns ejection point faced the southside of his body.Checkout doucmentaryReturn of Courtney love.courtney shows a jackett and says 'this is the jacket he died in.He wasnt wearing a jacket when found.Could mean before he was shot he was already dead. LACKOFBLOOD?
@Jagstang9394 not being a dick but shotguns don't eject their own shells. any kind of shotgun. if it was ejected then it was after the shot was fired. also if reports are correct and he died on the 5th then why there 2 other attempted transaction totaling $5000 on the 5th and several others after his death? other reports say they couldn't get finger prints but finger prints should have been on the shell casing unless it was wipped clean like everything else was. courtney knows more
@Jagstang9394 good points .... yeah i saw that jacket clip, what point is she tring to get across.. basically ive always said he dyed from the overdoze.. and shot was after he was dead... thats why the lack of blood.. because once you are dead your blood thickens due to your heart stopping...also Diazpam, (which also thickens your blood) was used, which once taken with Herion makes the effect of Herion quicker, so Kurt would defo feel the effect of Herion stronger.. i think...
@Jagstang9394 .. Kurt had taken the beetroot drink (traced with Diazpam) then someone adminster herion in to him, once then gained control of him moved him into the greenhouse. It just puzzles me to WHY Dylan when told to check the greenhouse by Courtney, he didnt... was it that Kurt wasnt up there yet as she had planned... Dylan defo knows more...
he was murdered,that shotgun he bought for protection,because he knew that that bitch sent someone to kill him,and those all 4 flat car tires,pfff there is no doubt about it,he was murdered.R.I.P Kurt Cobain.
@Daemon247 i agree totally but why won't the police follow up the leads, now el duce is dead he said he knew who did it, why has no one followed up el duce evn passed a polygraph..what more do the police need.
i think it's a no brainer, the housekeeper said there was an unusually large amt of talk about his will, CL was with that corrigan dude, the flat tires, & more...Kurt was doomed from he moment he met her, just listen to that performer that CL met just bef Kurt..
@Daemon247 What I think happened is that Wrench broke in to Kurt's house or Kurt's wife gave him the keys slashed the tires of Kurt's Volvo then found Kurt and held him a gun point and made Kurt inject himself with a lethal amount of heroin, then when he passed out from it Wrench finished the job and made it look like a suicide then took Kurt's credit cards and went out to party while he waited to get the 50+ grand from Kurt's wife, if he did not get it before it happened.
To discuss Cobain's death without mentioning Emeritus Oxford Professor Reginald Alton handwriting expert super star is intentionally ineffectual or just silly.
Oxford Universities Obituarist's page on the late Professor Alton and any references to this winner of the Military Cross have been deleted from wiki by the administrators there. He and other handwriting experts (Ronald Rice and Vincent Scalice) met in Washington on 10/25/95 and announced that the Vince Foster suicide note was a forgery. Oxford University is fighting against Hillary Clinton and Wiki on Alton.
Kurt Cobain fans may be surprised to learn that handwriting expert, Reginald Alton of Oxford University, is not mentioned on Wikipedia's pages for the rocker for political reasons.
During Cobain's last days, he is also believed to have spent time at his second home (which was being built) in Carnation, Washington-where a sleeping bag was found. Next to it was a picture of the sun drawn in black ink above the words "Cheer Up", and an ashtray filled with cigarettes - one brand was Cobain's, the other wasn't. It is reported the 2nd brand had lipstick...More on my channel if you would like to check it out. Thanks.
it s a suicide , i saw is last show , and at the end he said he will die at the same age of hendrix , janis japlin and 4-5 other great musician.. they all die at 27...
Courtney had Kurt cremated almost immediately. Why? Don't you think people and his family would want a nice funeral. Do you guys know where Kurt's ashes were spread?
What´s the matter with his fingerprint issue. Hey boy, besides you are wrong, there is plenty of other evidence. And imagine not one speaks for suicide ! Surprise ! :-*
You keep talking about the "3 times lethal dose in his system". Show the evidence,SHOW US THE AUTOPSY and not a FUCKING ARTICLE QUOTING A SOURCE.
That's all the evidence you have,a fucking article by the seattle post intelligencer. I read in People Magazine that Kurt's family knows he commited suicide and are tired of conspiracies.Tell us your criteria to believe the 1st but trash the 2nd.
It's funny that Kurt would despise you as much as you despise Courtney.You're hurting his family.
@floppingnoni: People have been convicted of murder with a lot less evidence than there is in this case and you know it! If you put all the evidence together there is more than enough of a basis to reopen the investigation! The lack of prints and the way the gun was posed on Kurt's body, the inconsistancies in the note, Courtney's suspicious behavior, the witnesses she tried to hire a hit man, etc etc. Kurt was all about the truth! He would have wanted the truth to come out about his death!
@floppingnoni: Let me try to explain this to you in simple terms so you can understand: Of course there were prints but they were illegible. That means someone (the muderer) wiped them off. At least 3 people handled the gun. There would have been some legible prints had the gun not been wiped down.
@floppingnoni: First of all the gun was indoors and wasn't rained on. Second, three people handled it. Movement of the gun when fired couldn't possibly have taken off prints by three people, be logical, sheesh.
You say 3 people handled the shotgun, and by 3 people I assume you mean the guy at the shop, Dylan and Kurt. Tell me if you mean 3 different people.
So you're implying Dylan purchased the shotgun inside the greenhouse? Ok, your logic is amusing.I'm fascinated. Keep lying to yourself with fake evidence.
You are the one saying that 3 people handled the shotgun and their prints should be on the shotgun. I told you to focus on Kurts prints because the other prints are irrelevant since the shotgun was outdoors.
Immature? Not, just a sentence I used as a trick to make you comment again on this particular argument. I succeeded so as I see it, your words are not worth a shit.
There's enough evidence to prove that Courtney killed him, not himself.
kateykaboomify 2 weeks ago 7
@kateykaboomify Or she had someone do it... maybe Michael "Cali" Dewitt.
nihongeorge 3 days ago
MURDERING SLUT
riverphoenixgurl 3 weeks ago 2
thank you Tom Grant
MrCobainfan 1 month ago 7
I love Kurt Cobain and Nirvana, and I do think Courtney is crazy, but I've never entertained the rumor that she did this. But this is pretty compelling stuff if all true. Mainly the credit card info...definitely, if that were just your average joe domestic situation, I bet people would've gone to trial. Motive, weapon handy, divorce talk...yikes.
kaimae1212 2 months ago in playlist Kurt Cobain was MURDERED!!
@kaimae1212 Although i do think she had him killed, the credit card info is easy to explain,when ever i charge something on my card it sometimes takes days to show up, Kurt did try to use the card and it declined many have said he tried to use he may have threww it away when it didnt work for him
kylas124 1 month ago
@kylas124 Be aware that in this case it takes not even an hour! Read the "Cobain Case Study Manual" or the book "Love & Death" by Iab Halperin and Max Wallace and you'll see.This issue is proven very well.
negativecreep1993 1 month ago
@negativecreep1993 I have read both as well as everything i could get my hands on, i have doubts with some of the evidence to be honest, for instance the suicide note, they clearly say a different hand wrote the bottom part but if you read Kurts journals there are many pages where the writing is small and goes larger just like the note, i am not saying he want murdered dont get me wrong , i personally am sceptical at some of the proof they use as fact, also Kurt was depresssed 1/2
kylas124 1 month ago
@negativecreep1993 Duff was on the plane with him and said he was worried about him also a driver said he picked Kurt up and Kurt as looking for bullets seriously all i am saying is lets look at ALL the facts this is a problem i have with the justice system things are always left out, i do however lean more towards the fact he a murdered but have not yet seen 100% proof of this
kylas124 1 month ago
read the evidence, i hope one day justice is done!
nikvalentino 2 months ago
Courtney Cox did it...i have evidence!!!
TheAArmstrong 3 months ago
@TheAArmstrong Not funny ! :-)
EngineOfRuin 2 months ago
@EngineOfRuin look at the evidence!!! a depressed and suicidal rock star with a loaded gun... its obvious courtney cox was jeleous of his fame and money so her rachel and phoebe...and the illuminati hired an italian hitman thru martin scorsese to kill kurt and frame his wife courtney love...cursing her to forever have autisticly obsessed geeks write conspiracies about her on youtube videos.
TheAArmstrong 2 months ago
@TheAArmstrong
Fuck you. Burn in hell.
ashleekilledgod 2 months ago
@ashleekilledgod ok friend calm down, i know your very upset by the sudden news that kurt has been run over by a tractor but no need to take it out on me, justice for Kurt, kill all tractors.....raaaah its a conspiracy i tell thee
TheAArmstrong 2 months ago
Kurt Cobain wanted Courtney out of the will she found out and had him killed police were payed off or had no trace as it could of been done by a professional could of been in on it must of been a murder. she did a missing persons report to find out if people had information on kurts where abouts got the information hunted him down and killed him. Anyone else like this theory?
BlingMikzy 3 months ago
@BlingMikzy no your a dillusional spastic
TheAArmstrong 2 months ago
@BlingMikzy
Omfg yes. I hate Courtney Love
'cause I think she killed Kurt. :(
Relaxions 2 months ago
I'm still very suspicious about all of this, just because the guy was depressed and was on heroin, and wrote songs about suicide, the Seattle police force essentially came to the conclusion of suicide using these things as proof, they did such a terrible job on the case, it NEEDS to be re-opened. I mean no fingerprints on the shotgun? Injected with 3 times a lethal dose of heroin which he would OD immediately afterwards? Also bearing in mind Courtney can be quite dangerous. RE-OPEN THE CASE!!
Muskateering 3 months ago 2
Thank you RiseAgainstPETA
Someone manipulated them so Kurt couldn't scape?????
maitevalle 5 months ago
@maitevalle yes, they mean the tires on the car were flat, there was no air inside the tires.
RiseAgainstPETA 5 months ago
I don't understand about tires, I'm from Spain, please, respond me!!!
That means that tires were manipulated?
maitevalle 5 months ago
Kurt's body was incinerated, by Courtney's order, so he'll never had another autopsy, funking bitch, you'll burn on hell.
maitevalle 5 months ago 13
He was shot when he was already dead, that's why there was no much blood near him, his face was intact, and people who killed him where high of heroine as Kurt but they had took less portions of drgus, just to be warning during the execution.
Seattle authorities must reopen the case, we have to do something!!!!!!
Greetings from Spain
maitevalle 5 months ago
Courtney Love
Michael "Cali" Dewitt
Dylan Carlson
They are the murders of Kurt, poor angel.
I hope the fucking black widow will pay in hell, whore!!!!
maitevalle 5 months ago 10
Hi I just published a free eBook on the Cobain murder theories. Check out brendanhunt dotcom to download the free pdf version.
BrendanHunt1 5 months ago
I found a human hand in a ditch. See my video for "Natural Disasters - Flooding - Not A Good Day" to see it.
steveunlocked 5 months ago
Not one person commenting on these videos was there in the room with him the day he died. None of you really know what happened, and that's the way it will always be.
Sophistaphunk 5 months ago 9
I think it is very possible Courtney had Kurt killed, I also think it is possible Kurt took his own life there is evidence pointing to both senerios, I just want Justice for Kurt! I want to know either way, I think this case should be reopened, I am sure a cop from our age group will open the investigation back up some day I really hope so!!
kylas124 5 months ago
there is a petition to reopen the Kurt Cobain case. it needs 5000 signers and only has almost 2000. if you think Kurt was murdered, sign this petition. --> to do that, go to google and type REOPEN THE KURT COBAIN CASE, GIVE KURT THE JUSTICE HE NEEDS"
and click on the petition.
A7XShadows5110 6 months ago
@A7XShadows5110 Just signed it... they better re-open this case soon. :/
nihongeorge 3 days ago
Someone must've been TRYING to pull strings by putting the tires out. Who does that? Someone who killed him? To tell us how fucked up he/she, too thought his death was? Or maybe Kurt's alive; he'll come back... or never. So the tires were popped so that information works like an electronic shield over armor to make sure we still don't think he's alive.
mojo9o 6 months ago
there were no legible fingerprints on the gun.
CASE CLOSED.
100rocksinaboxx 6 months ago
Hey just out of curiousity whats up with the third link? It just comes back to this video.
jorganbon 6 months ago
Another thing i find intresting i say about the drugs found in Kurt system.. We know he had THREE lethal dozes and Diazpam (found in the beet-root can), he had needle marks in both arms?? he had with that amount rolled both sleeves down (no Needle) which had been packed away with all the other drug paraphernalia..But when Layne Staley dyed from a Speedball (Cocaine/Herion) mixed together was found 2 weeks later still with the needle in his arm and hand, when Kurt had more than that, had none
bloodtearsej 6 months ago in playlist Kurt Cobain was MURDERED!!
Why can they not re-open the case? they have SO much more advanced technology these days for it. I just think it's so sad that IF it was murder, which from what I have seen and heard, sounds pretty promising, that who ever done it, has got away with it. What a sad world.
CrOwNdRaPaLa 6 months ago
If that was a murder, than who wrote the suicide letter!?
StulicJohnny 7 months ago
Respect to Tom Grant and to all of the fans who will never give up.
gawgetter 7 months ago 12
THE SHOTGUN WAS FOUND IN ONE OF KURTS HANDS TOO. WOULDNT THE SHOTGUN SLIDE AWAY FROM HIS BODY.
DBFRESH702 7 months ago 17
@DBFRESH702 Ever heard of rigor mortis?
motocarnage615 3 months ago
@motocarnage615 I have heard of rigor mortis joints lock a while after death. But his death was instant. Think about it how can you shoot yourself with a shotgun? You either had 2 have long monkey arms, use your toes or if the shotgun was sawed off.
Bigmelo7 3 months ago
@Bigmelo7 It wasn't a Musket the shotgun was a 20 gauge it's a decent sized gun they even come in youth models though I doubt by judging the picture Kurt's gun was a youth model but, you slide the butt end of the gun on a 35 degree angle... it's only about 26" from the barrel to the trigger now your average guitar is about 25" if you can rest your mouth on the head stock and reach the end of your fret board you've more than completed the task.
motocarnage615 1 month ago
Funny, because when I read up on musicians who commit suicide their lives were so much better than Kurt's, they had little to kill themselves about. And I'd say there's a 99% chance he was murdered. More realistically, 100% chance he was murdered. Also, why would he leave his daughter? Face it people. He was murdered.
PowderedHappines 7 months ago in playlist Kurt Cobain was MURDERED!! 39
@PowderedHappines Why would he leave his daughter? Has he not said that he didn't want her to be part of a divorce family? That he knew he could not protect her from the emdia? That he didn't want her to have junky parents? Face it people. He killed himself. He hated his life and everything about it.
Raptorfy 1 month ago
its as simple as a lie detector test...
sadlybadlyy4 8 months ago
Courtney was the worst fucking thing for Kurt.
melliexo 8 months ago 20
It was so obviously murder!
judyleasugar97 8 months ago in playlist Kurt Cobain was MURDERED!! 19
since he had so much heroin, he would have probably been to weak to pick something like a shotgun up, besides that gun was meant for protection. also kurt was planning on changing the band around and all kinda stuff and when people accused him of being in a bad mood he told them that he really wasnt
KerrDogga 9 months ago
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riverphoenixgurl 9 months ago
KURT WAS MURDERED!
riverphoenixgurl 9 months ago 19
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TestMeatDollSteak 9 months ago
"I'm happier than I've ever been." Kurt, shortly before his death.
x0PUNKER0X 10 months ago 14
why would a dude who never gave a fuk about what people thought feel it was better to burn out than fade away.and not consider his daughter suffering .obviously his parents effected him profoundly and were a root to alot of his own pain. so why would he do that to her.i think the dude was killed man cuz i dont think he would
mutadeddeformity83 10 months ago
Courtney WILL get what's coming to her. She's the reason he was murdered. You wait bitch, yours will be worse.
Somborac420 10 months ago 20
The Seattle police need to reopen this case. His daughter needs to know he did not abandon her. He is one of the greatest rock legends of all time and it is a tragidy that he is being remembered as having taken his own life. Justice for Kurt Cobain.
NWNative147 11 months ago 40
at first i believed murder, then i did a bit of research and thought it through from a mutual perspective and thought it was suicide. i've recently done a shit load of research and made sure what i read is fact. it was fucking murder no doubt. the suicide note was a note to say he's quitting nirvana to the fans, last part is courtney writing.
Goliath268 11 months ago
this is really interesting.... his whole life story is very intriguing
risala247 11 months ago 4
he was murdered but i highly doubt it was courtney, she may be greedier, but its just a combination of booze, drugs and just being selfish, she however isnt like this anymore. Honestly, it was probably the label that killed, probably just took out a 'Michael Jackson' style insurance policy out on him.
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What I think happened is that Wrench broke in to Kurt's house or Kurt's wife gave him the keys slashed the tires of Kurt's Volvo then found Kurt and held him a gun point and made Kurt inject himself with a lethal amount of heroin, then when he passed out from it Wrench finished the job and made it look like a suicide then took Kurt's credit cards and went out to party while he waited to get the 50+ grand from Kurt's wife, if he did not get it before it happened.
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What I think happened is that Wrench broke in to Kurt's house or Kurt's wife gave him the keys slashed the tires of Kurt's Volvo then found Kurt and held him a gun point and made Kurt inject himself with a lethal amount of heroin, then when he passed out from it Wrench finished the job and made it look like a suicide then took Kurt's credit cards and went out to party while he waited to get the 50+ grand from Kurt's wife, if he did not get it before it happened.
AlexStenka 11 months ago
9:53 justice for kurt & frances! and courtney, GO TO HELL!
RIP kurt cobain!
andthepastrecedes 1 year ago 13
to many things happened for this to be suicide this stinks off murder
1killerbilly 1 year ago 18
there it just sales alot more if a manic depressive drug addictted face of rock in roll killed him self in a blaze of glory insted of his bitch whife murdering him.
TranKQuill27 1 year ago
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@TranKQuill27 What I think happened is that Wrench broke in to Kurt's house or Kurt's wife gave him the keys slashed the tires of Kurt's Volvo then found Kurt and held him a gun point and made Kurt inject himself with a lethal amount of heroin, then when he passed out from it Wrench finished the job and made it look like a suicide then took Kurt's credit cards and went out to party while he waited to get the 50+ grand from Kurt's wife, if he did not get it before it happened.
AlexStenka 11 months ago
know one told him also exsplain why the credit card that cobain used to get back to seattle was still being used after he died until the body was discovered an it hit the news now know one will ever truly know what hapen to kurt cobain ecsept for courtney love an the guy that was there with cobain the night that he died but the evidence is there
TranKQuill27 1 year ago
@TranKQuill27 yeah so the guy told her about Allen Wrench and Allen did it, that mothefucker is the reason Kurt is not here being the great guy he was, cuz of his bitch wife and that fucking scum Allen wrench. Right after Kurt died that fucker got himself a 70's vet, new house, and more. He should be rotting in jail and so should his wife.
I kinda believe that Bradley Barnett did meet Kurt and talked to him, and after he left, Wrench somehow killed Kurt. Read up on it guys.
AlexStenka 11 months ago
there for is why it is proven fact that the body was shot with the shot gun after death that was the reason for the lack of blood because the shot was inflected on cobain after postmortem. because if he shot him self while being alive there would have been a substaneial amount of blood due to the hart still beating till the body died. that an tom grant did not even know about the green house
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yeah so the guy told her about Allen Wrench and Allen did it, that mothefucker is the reason Kurt is not here being the great guy he was, cuz of his bitch wife and that fucking scum Allen wrench. Right after Kurt died that fucker got himself a 70's vet, new house, and more. He should be rotting in jail and so should his wife.
I kinda believe that Bradley Barnett did meet Kurt and talked to him, and after he left, Wrench somehow killed Kurt. Read up on it guys.
AlexStenka 11 months ago
pruchased it for him on march 30th cobain entered rehab on april 1st left on the 3rd went back to the house an lost his life sometime between the night of the fourth or erly on the 5th but the amount of herion found in his body was enough to kill him 3 times over.
TranKQuill27 1 year ago
which are all good reasons but to someone who doesent want to give up his addicition at that moment in time it is all just irrevalent. so he did it for all of them and then just after 48 hours his demons over came him as an addicition grew to over come the reality of getting better. but he pruchased the shot gun before he went to rehab or had dilan carolson
TranKQuill27 1 year ago
@TranKQuill27 What I think happened is that Wrench broke in to Kurt's house or Kurt's wife gave him the keys slashed the tires of Kurt's Volvo then found Kurt and held him a gun point and made Kurt inject himself with a lethal amount of heroin, then when he passed out from it Wrench finished the job and made it look like a suicide then took Kurt's credit cards and went out to party while he waited to get the 50+ grand from Kurt's wife, if he did not get it before it happened.
AlexStenka 11 months ago
on the leaving rehab part. he had an adiction that most people are not able to over come. and it wasent like he went willing. the lable,close friends, family and the band all kinda pressured him into it. the lable threten to drop nirvana even if the were the top saling band at the period. friends and family were pearprussring him and the band was saying that just wanted to see him healthy again.
TranKQuill27 1 year ago
FACTS MATTER - NOT OPINIONS BASED ON MISINFORMATION
EngineOfRuin 1 year ago
of wanting to retier from music and nirvana devorce courtney take frances leave seattle and start a new life now how would that help courtney and her life and fame being the girl that the grunge king left because of the abuseive lying cheating narsosistic gold digging whore she was dont get me wrong kurt loved her so much and even in the end he loved her just couldnt deal with her and if courtney couldent have kurt no one could so r.i.p kurt your were a grate insperation and i am glad 2 be a fan
TranKQuill27 1 year ago
she did offer him he thought she wasent serious and went on to take a lie ditector test and passed it love called nick bloomfild the derector and make very strong threts to sue him and have his head on a platter after she found out that el douchay came out about the offer el douchay was found dead on some train tracks 1 week later to the day murderd. cobains crime scene photo graphs were never devoloped and set in a seattle police evedence room still to this day cobain was murdered because of
TranKQuill27 1 year ago
the green house when if dilyn was cobain best friend he would have taken grant to the green house cause it was cobain's personal place he liked to use or get into his substences because of keeping them away from frances and him an dilyn have been there plenty of times and it was also reported that love offerd a man called el douchay a sum of 50,000 dollars to kill cobain and make it look like a suicide and if you watch the documentry kurt and courtney that man came out and said that she did
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AlexStenka 11 months ago
it is true the mass media thinks we are all blind the blood or lack of blood because cobain was already dead and in post mordem when the shot gun was fired thats why there was the lack of blood cobain died from the fatel injection of herion that he was givin. the gun was finger printed about a month later when it should of been finger printed the same day. dilyn carolson and tom grant went wed. night april 6th they had went to the cobain home and went all threw the house and every where but the
TranKQuill27 1 year ago
you same fucks that believe he was murdered also believe OJ didnt kill his wife
Sectionxx8 1 year ago
@Sectionxx8 Ah...yeah...??? OJ killed his wife, yes. Just like Kurt was murdered. Simple.
EngineOfRuin 1 year ago 14
4 flat tires...no fingerprints on the gun...a tranquilizer and lethal dose of heroin...just for starters...strange very strange
pitchingwedge1 1 year ago
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He writes a book that mentions he wants to kill himself if he gets to famous.
He gets to famous. And than gets "Murdered"?
Everyone saying he didn't kill himself, mustn't be thinking.
>>Writes book saying he wants to kill himself.
>>Wants to kill himself.
>>Kill himself. Durr.
TheExoudous 1 year ago
@TheExoudous did you miss the interview where he says that after his daughter was born he was much happier , and that he was barely depressed anymore, did you miss the fact that he was in the process of taking courtney out of his will, did you miss the fact that someone else was using his credit card right up untill his body was found, the fact that the police didnt check the shotguns fingerprints for weeks. the police didnt do a propper investigation so the case should be reopened
JonathanNevin 1 year ago 18
I hope that someday Love will upload on YouTube a video on which she confesses that she "ordered" Kurt. I wonder how many people will watch it!...
DoctorGonzo32 1 year ago
Living in Germany, I really don't get it! Watched quite a few videos about Kurt's death now, even the 'official' ones clearly point towards something else then suicide.
Didn't his family complain about this? Man, if he was my brother or son, I would continue until the last stone was turned upside down.
Thanks for this video btw, very clear information!
Erickaltburg 1 year ago
@Erickaltburg
His family has made public announcements telling the world they all know Kurt killed himself, and begging cospiracists to stop because it hurts them a lot. The only member of Kurts family who believes in the murder theory is Kurts granpa,and we all know it is because he is lonely in Montesano and a lot of conspiracists go visit him. Sad.
All these videos back up their theories with gossip, not with evidence. Kurt killed himself.
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: Something happened that needed, and still needs, my attention. But you deserve an answer. Even without the conspiracy videos this case smells fishy. We solved murder-cases much more difficult to reorganized as a murder-case then this one. You won't believe how many people are buried that didn't die of natural causes, but still the coroner things so. This investigation is very incomplete.
I feel sorry for the family, but respect their choice, although I think they are wrong.
Erickaltburg 6 months ago
according to grohl it was a pissed off dealer who murdered him,, i think love somehow was involved..
SovereignBeing 1 year ago
There is so much evidence. it's so fucking obvious that he didn't kill himself, unless somehow he did. but i doubt it.
laureninwonderland1 1 year ago
It was murder, simple.
All evidence speaks for murder, not for suicide.
Everyone who denies that, doesn´t know shit, and should shut the fuck up.
Justice Will Prevail. Fact.
If all you naive kids like it or not.
Cheers.
EngineOfRuin 1 year ago 106
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@EngineOfRuin
Noone takes in the suicide note. And the book he wrote, SAYING he wanted to kill himself when got to famous. Fucking idiots.
Plus, good thing he shot himself. He sucked.
TheExoudous 1 year ago
@TheExoudous He didn't suck. your just jealous because he was famous
TheIpodHuman11 1 year ago 18
@TheExoudous You're a dickhead. the fact that you would eve say 'Plus, good thing he shot himself. He sucked.' shows that you are a disgrace to humanity. Obviously you have no empathy for human life at all, and that my friend, makes you an asshole and not human at all. I hope you have fun in hell.
laureninwonderland1 1 year ago 19
Any of you ever realized the guy became the biggest rock star of his generation, got married, became a father all in a short span. Kurt had all these stresses as well as being documented in his own words mentally unstable, not to mention dealing with all these things while touring the world and being addicted to heroin fun!
motocarnage615 1 year ago 12
@motocarnage615
and if you knew your shit, you would know he was in fact a huge star at the time, but it wasn't until after he died people looked at him like he was god.
AngryEwok666 1 year ago
@AngryEwok666 What the fuck does that have to do with anything I wrote?
motocarnage615 1 year ago
@AngryEwok666
LOL, you should know your shit first!
Kurt was treated like he was a god way before he died. I quote Kurt (1993): "There's nothing more embarrassing than a group of people walking up to you and praising you like you're some kind of fucking god, it's embarrassing". Search cobain interview metal (minute 3'13)
floppingnoni 1 year ago 5
kill courtney right now , that bitch hasd not the right to live , stupid fame addicted bitch , she ruined that guy
knight0582 1 year ago 23
omg , its so obvious , burn in hell courtney , u ruined a music genius , courtney is the definition of crap !!!!!!
knight0582 1 year ago
Why didn't they check the Fingerprints on the door knob?
NellDizzle069 1 year ago
@NellDizzle069 ..they did look for finger prints and there was non....i wonder why lol
seetherryan1 1 year ago
@seetherryan1
Police looked for fingerprints and there were "6 cards lifted". Next time inform yourself and you wont write stupid comments.
floppingnoni 1 year ago
This does sound very fishy
johnplayersstandard 1 year ago 2
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The guy was depressed without drugs knew he couldnt get clean killd himself.
johnplayersstandard 1 year ago
@johnplayersstandard idisagre
faridjabba 1 year ago
Do you know where to find the full greenhouse video? plz respond
maulcs 1 year ago
@maulcs
This is the complete video i made. You only can hear the complete audio interview with Tom Grant at the link i added in the information section of this video.
negativecreep1993 1 year ago 8
@negativecreep1993 Someone else had mentioned there was a complete greenhouse video (there's parts of it in your video - yours is the most complete one I've seen) that had been floating around in the early 2000s. It showed more of Kurt's body, etc. It must be out there somewhere, I doubt they just filmed the parts shown here.
maulcs 1 year ago
@negativecreep1993 ...and I'm talking about the one behind the greenhouse, seemingly filmed from a tree.
maulcs 1 year ago
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@maulcs Kurt had a horrific stomach complaint and a bad back. He tried suicide before that in Italy. No conspiracy here.
manconoo 1 year ago
@manconoo Are you trying to argue ? Educate yourself. It wasn´t suicide. Not one proof it was suicide.
Anyway, it doesn´t matter what uninformed people like you say.
EngineOfRuin 1 year ago
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manconoo 1 year ago
Why were there so many people inthe greenhouse?Not a Proper CrimeScene SPD claims They investaged as homicide.Another strange thing isthat the spent shell that killed cobain was found on top of his jacket on the FLOOR northof his body.The guns ejection point faced the southside of his body.Checkout doucmentaryReturn of Courtney love.courtney shows a jackett and says 'this is the jacket he died in.He wasnt wearing a jacket when found.Could mean before he was shot he was already dead. LACKOFBLOOD?
Jagstang9394 1 year ago 45
@Jagstang9394 Very good statement! I already saw the video where Courtney shows that jacket.
negativecreep1993 1 year ago
@Jagstang9394
If he was murdered, and was dead before he was shot, why would anyone bother to shoot him?
Why not make it look like a heroin overdose? Once he is dead, he is dead. It wouldn't matter if he was shot or died of an OD.
2pacinseattle 1 year ago
@Jagstang9394 not being a dick but shotguns don't eject their own shells. any kind of shotgun. if it was ejected then it was after the shot was fired. also if reports are correct and he died on the 5th then why there 2 other attempted transaction totaling $5000 on the 5th and several others after his death? other reports say they couldn't get finger prints but finger prints should have been on the shell casing unless it was wipped clean like everything else was. courtney knows more
treblaze420 1 year ago
@Jagstang9394 good points .... yeah i saw that jacket clip, what point is she tring to get across.. basically ive always said he dyed from the overdoze.. and shot was after he was dead... thats why the lack of blood.. because once you are dead your blood thickens due to your heart stopping...also Diazpam, (which also thickens your blood) was used, which once taken with Herion makes the effect of Herion quicker, so Kurt would defo feel the effect of Herion stronger.. i think...
bloodtearsej 6 months ago in playlist Kurt Cobain was MURDERED!!
@Jagstang9394 .. Kurt had taken the beetroot drink (traced with Diazpam) then someone adminster herion in to him, once then gained control of him moved him into the greenhouse. It just puzzles me to WHY Dylan when told to check the greenhouse by Courtney, he didnt... was it that Kurt wasnt up there yet as she had planned... Dylan defo knows more...
bloodtearsej 6 months ago in playlist Kurt Cobain was MURDERED!!
he was murdered,that shotgun he bought for protection,because he knew that that bitch sent someone to kill him,and those all 4 flat car tires,pfff there is no doubt about it,he was murdered.R.I.P Kurt Cobain.
Daemon247 1 year ago 113
@Daemon247 i dont understand about tires?
morisons24 1 year ago
@Daemon247 i agree totally but why won't the police follow up the leads, now el duce is dead he said he knew who did it, why has no one followed up el duce evn passed a polygraph..what more do the police need.
i think it's a no brainer, the housekeeper said there was an unusually large amt of talk about his will, CL was with that corrigan dude, the flat tires, & more...Kurt was doomed from he moment he met her, just listen to that performer that CL met just bef Kurt..
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@Daemon247 What I think happened is that Wrench broke in to Kurt's house or Kurt's wife gave him the keys slashed the tires of Kurt's Volvo then found Kurt and held him a gun point and made Kurt inject himself with a lethal amount of heroin, then when he passed out from it Wrench finished the job and made it look like a suicide then took Kurt's credit cards and went out to party while he waited to get the 50+ grand from Kurt's wife, if he did not get it before it happened.
AlexStenka 11 months ago
@Daemon247 was not
chessinfantry 9 months ago
To discuss Cobain's death without mentioning Emeritus Oxford Professor Reginald Alton handwriting expert super star is intentionally ineffectual or just silly.
nelsonbaker77 1 year ago
Oxford Universities Obituarist's page on the late Professor Alton and any references to this winner of the Military Cross have been deleted from wiki by the administrators there. He and other handwriting experts (Ronald Rice and Vincent Scalice) met in Washington on 10/25/95 and announced that the Vince Foster suicide note was a forgery. Oxford University is fighting against Hillary Clinton and Wiki on Alton.
nelsonbaker77 1 year ago
Kurt Cobain fans may be surprised to learn that handwriting expert, Reginald Alton of Oxford University, is not mentioned on Wikipedia's pages for the rocker for political reasons.
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During Cobain's last days, he is also believed to have spent time at his second home (which was being built) in Carnation, Washington-where a sleeping bag was found. Next to it was a picture of the sun drawn in black ink above the words "Cheer Up", and an ashtray filled with cigarettes - one brand was Cobain's, the other wasn't. It is reported the 2nd brand had lipstick...More on my channel if you would like to check it out. Thanks.
Justice4Kristen 1 year ago
@Justice4Kristen: Courtney Love could easily have planted all that. There is no proof he was at Carnation.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago 14
@Justice4Kristen Love and Death says Courtney planted these things to accuse Kurt of cheating although he didn't. Have you read the book?
riverphoenixgurl 6 months ago
Why did Kurt have to leave.... justice wasn't done... Especially with this bitch still here.!
SwissPriss1 1 year ago
it s a suicide , i saw is last show , and at the end he said he will die at the same age of hendrix , janis japlin and 4-5 other great musician.. they all die at 27...
KingXanthar 1 year ago
i feel bad for you guys
Element4078 1 year ago
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Fuck that bitch Courtney Love
InsaneChicano1 1 year ago
Who was trying to use the credit card? Cali? Probably. He was the only one at the house.
faroutadventures 1 year ago
Courtney had Kurt cremated almost immediately. Why? Don't you think people and his family would want a nice funeral. Do you guys know where Kurt's ashes were spread?
faroutadventures 1 year ago 20
Michael De Witt knows what happened to Kurt. He needs to come forward and tell what he knows. Why doesn't he? Does he have something to hide?
faroutadventures 1 year ago 22
All Courtney cared about and cares about now is "MONEY". She didn't care about Kurt.
faroutadventures 1 year ago 12
@floppingnoni
What´s up with that guy ? Another troll ? :-D
What´s the matter with his fingerprint issue. Hey boy, besides you are wrong, there is plenty of other evidence. And imagine not one speaks for suicide ! Surprise ! :-*
EngineOfRuin 1 year ago
his house is like 108 years old.
wiiplay112 1 year ago
@wiiplay112 I've been there. It's really cool. The greenhouse is torn down.
faroutadventures 1 year ago
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You said you were over this argument...
To summarize the conclusions regarding fingerprints at the scene:
(1) 6 CARDS of fingerprints were lifted
(2) Fingerprints were NOT LEGIBLE because of:
- excessive sweating
- movement of the shotgun when fired
- friction (with clothes, parts of the body...)
floppingnoni 1 year ago
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You said you were over this argument...
To summarize the conclusions regarding fingerprints at the scene:
(1) 6 CARDS of fingerprints were lifted
(2) Fingerprints were NOT LEGIBLE because of:
- excessive sweating
- movement of the shotgun when fired
- friction (with clothes, parts of the body...)
floppingnoni 1 year ago
You keep talking about the "3 times lethal dose in his system". Show the evidence,SHOW US THE AUTOPSY and not a FUCKING ARTICLE QUOTING A SOURCE.
That's all the evidence you have,a fucking article by the seattle post intelligencer. I read in People Magazine that Kurt's family knows he commited suicide and are tired of conspiracies.Tell us your criteria to believe the 1st but trash the 2nd.
It's funny that Kurt would despise you as much as you despise Courtney.You're hurting his family.
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: People have been convicted of murder with a lot less evidence than there is in this case and you know it! If you put all the evidence together there is more than enough of a basis to reopen the investigation! The lack of prints and the way the gun was posed on Kurt's body, the inconsistancies in the note, Courtney's suspicious behavior, the witnesses she tried to hire a hit man, etc etc. Kurt was all about the truth! He would have wanted the truth to come out about his death!
judyleasugar97 1 year ago 19
Lack of fingerprints? LOL
Official documents say:
- 4 cards of prints were lifted from the shotgun
- 2 cards were lifted from the shell and case
That makes a total of 6 cards! You fail again. Oh girl, it's failure after failure. You're making a fool of yourself.
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: Let me try to explain this to you in simple terms so you can understand: Of course there were prints but they were illegible. That means someone (the muderer) wiped them off. At least 3 people handled the gun. There would have been some legible prints had the gun not been wiped down.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
LOL again. You're ASSUMING the prints were illegible because a mysterious murderer wiped them off. Proof?
Authorities said it was DUE TO SWEATING AND THE MOVEMENT OF THE SHOTGUN WHEN FIRED. Ok! You want to believe the opinion of a shitty pi and reporter.
WHEN IT RAINS PRINTS ARE ILLEGIBLE TOO. But you know, in Seattle it never rains so it's completely impossible that happened in Kurt's case...
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: First of all the gun was indoors and wasn't rained on. Second, three people handled it. Movement of the gun when fired couldn't possibly have taken off prints by three people, be logical, sheesh.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
You fail again...
You say 3 people handled the shotgun, and by 3 people I assume you mean the guy at the shop, Dylan and Kurt. Tell me if you mean 3 different people.
So you're implying Dylan purchased the shotgun inside the greenhouse? Ok, your logic is amusing.I'm fascinated. Keep lying to yourself with fake evidence.
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni : Huh? No, I meant three different same people. Idiot. I have no idea what you mean by Dylan purchasing the gun inside the greeenhouse.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
Idiot? I wont be ironic anymore because youre not too bright to get it. My fault...
You're stating the shotgun was always indoors so rainwater is irrelevant and I told you then the shotgun was always inside the greenhouse. Better now?
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: Well, you were the one who said the gun might have been rained on so you're actually disproving yourself.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: At this point you really are not making any sense.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
You are the one saying that 3 people handled the shotgun and their prints should be on the shotgun. I told you to focus on Kurts prints because the other prints are irrelevant since the shotgun was outdoors.
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: Okay, LOL, I've already covered all this so I'm going to have to sign out on this particular argument. You're not listening.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
Good, I have the last word!
Summary of this argument:
(1) 6 CARDS of fingerprints were lifted
(2) Fingerprints were NOT LEGIBLE because of:
- excessive sweating
- movement of the shotgun when fired
- friction (with clothes, parts of the body...)
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: How immature is that? Typical Courtney lover. No, none of what you said is true because 3 people handled the gun, sheesh. Grow up.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
Immature? Not, just a sentence I used as a trick to make you comment again on this particular argument. I succeeded so as I see it, your words are not worth a shit.
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: LOL, speaking about yourself.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@floppingnoni 1.52 ml/liter of heroin in blood. Dead men don't pull triggers. It's murder. Case closed!
faroutadventures 1 year ago 2
@floppingnoni The fingerprints were wiped off. Why do you think there were two towels left in the greenhouse?
faroutadventures 1 year ago
@floppingnoni Prints were wiped off. No prints on shot gun casing, letter, pen.
faroutadventures 1 year ago
@floppingnoni That info was leaked from the Medical Examiners Office. 1.52 ml/liter. Do some research!!!
faroutadventures 1 year ago
@faroutadventures
You want research... Ok!
SeattlePI April 14, 1994:
"The toxicological tests determined that the level of heroin in Cobain's bloodstream was 1.52 milligrams per liter, THE SOURCE SAID. "
Who/what was the source? The newspaper didn't have evidence, just words from a (fictional?) person.
You're making a fool of yourself if youre believing a story from a newspaper that has been caught lying in the past.
floppingnoni 1 year ago