Even if God existed, I wouldn't want to live in eternity with someone like him. I could be as loving as Martin Luther King, as giving as Mother Teresa, and as insightful as Mohandas Gandhi, but if I don't accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, I go to hell. While the murderer, serial rapists, child abuser can change his life around at the last minute. Repent with all his heart and get into the Heaven. If this makes sense to God, then I will see you in hell.
I love her "separate sheep from goats" comment. I'd rather be a goat. Goats are agile, smart, and resourceful. Sheep are stupid. They will run off cliffs and drown themselves. Why would i ever want to be a sheep? I do enjoy eating them though :)
I love her "separate sheep from goats" comment. I'd rather be a goat. Goats are agile, smart, and resourceful. Sheep are stupid. They will run off cliffs and drown themselves. Why would i ever want to be a sheep? I do enjoy eating them though :)
I love her "separate sheep from goats" comment. I'd rather be a goat. Goats are agile, smart, and resourceful. Sheep are stupid. They will run off cliffs and drown themselves. Why would i ever want to be a sheep? I do enjoy eating them though :)
I love her "separate sheep from goats" comment. I'd rather be a goat. Goats are agile, smart, and resourceful. Sheep are stupid. They will run off cliffs and drown themselves. Why would i ever want to be a sheep? I do enjoy eating them though :)
I love her "separate sheep from goats" comment. I'd rather be a goat. Goats are agile, smart, and resourceful. Sheep are stupid. They will run off cliffs and drown themselves. Why would i ever want to be a sheep? I do enjoy eating them though :)
It sort of scares me how these "nice sounding" people so calmly can agree (after som pushing around, admittedly) that one deserves to burn in hell for not believing. It's like saying not doing something under gun-threat and thus being shot was a choice you made. In a way, true, but right? No effin' way.
@blattt188 If you can't judge anything (including a god) based off the discription and/or actions or claims of actions then your morals are flawed. As to the skyscraper thing you talked about; I have no idea what you are talking about... Is that to someone else?
we don't reject god cause we don't believe it exists. That's like if my friend told me, i got his girl for you, she likes you and wants to go out with you, I don't know the girl, i never saw her and i don't think she actually does exist, cause my friend might be joking with me, it's not rejection.
What the hell is with blattt1888 and the damn Illuminati?? Not only is he a fundie, but he is also a balmy conspiracy theorist. Oh well, if you think the bible is true, your brain is warped enough to accept any and all crap that comes your way.
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"You can judge your God" uh... exactly what Bible are you reading from? We don't judge God, God judges us. We just use our cause-effect reasoning to link concepts together & come to right conclusions. The contrast is: atheists are self-consumed & their selfish motives blind them from objective reasoning. Christians fear a God who hates lies so we have no leverage to lie to ourselves or buy into Illuminati predictive-programming for our own selfish gratification. We're on extreme opposite ends.
@blattt188 " We just use our cause-effect reasoning to link concepts together & come to right conclusions. " -------> That is judging, if you are so blind, then I'm sorry ...
@blattt188 Objective reasoning?? How wonderful that you may borrow empirical terminology and bend it to your purpose. Objective reasoning tells us that the probability of any supernatural phenomena, including all gods, is very, very low; scientifically, .5% is given to those things which cannot be unproven. Of course, science does not attempt to prove negatives as to do so would be illogical. Agnosticism is the only natural philosophy re: god. Atheism is personal disbelief.
@detroitboy65 Subjective fantasy tells you that a universe is 'just one of those things that happens from time to time' but objective reasoning tells you that finite space-time has infinite cause. Take the probability of your computer coming into existence by accident from nothingness with no awareness behind it then multiply that by ____<---fill in the blank. See, objective reason doesn't look at light quanta & pretend that "supernatural phenomena" isn't the most explicit reality.
@blattt188 Your reasoning is very irrational. that science has not yet answered, and may never do so, the question of origin of matter does not mean god is the default. In the absence of certain knowledge, unscientific falderal does not suffice. The Watchmaker argument, aka: god of the gaps; aka: I.D., has no merit and no analogous foundlings in nature. Your last sentence is meaningless as science (objective reason) would never validate the potential for supernatural phenomena.
@Kailoa36 Of course that's what it's about. Atheism has always been debunked by every new science until relatively recently when it's become more of a God-hater's cult. It's not even almost reasonable, but it's pushed relentlessly in the most deceptive ways.
@blattt188 Congratulations! You just won the stupidest comment ever award! But then, what else would I expect from a bat shit crazy conspiracy theorist? It's time for you to go back to your Thorazine drip and the Nod and Slobber Ward.
@blattt188 "We just use our cause-effect reasoning to link concepts together & come to right conclusions. The contrast is: atheists are self-consumed & their selfish motives blind them from objective reasoning. Christians fear a God who hates lies so we have no leverage to lie to ourselves or buy into Illuminati predictive-programming for our own selfish gratification. We're on extreme opposite ends."
Things simply just gets so much easier to understand when we paint the world black & white.
@blattt188 "We just use our cause-effect reasoning to link concepts together & come to right conclusions."
That is Judging. How are you so deluded that you can contradict yourself in the very next sentence? I'm in awe.
I believe, from what I've just read from you; that you are so indoctrinated by the religion that you cannot see obvious contradictions in your critical thinking whenever your religion conflicts with reality.
I'm not trying to be mean. I just hope you can see your error.
@Jayjon81 We don't judge God's character based on our own subjective standards the way atheists do. "deluded" wait a second, aren't you the one that believes a skyscraper can evolve out of dust by accident in .5 seconds? Look, we all like to drink, go out, stay in, smoke, watch TV... but there's nothing in the world or out of the world that can make me go against science & profess atheism. Not a sin in the whole world. It's just the opposite of reality & every human being who knows it.
If hell wasn't made to punish people, but for satan, and god only determined to send people there after they sinned in Eden, then how can god be omniscient? surly he should have known they would sin...and why did he not intervene, it would have saved all that convoluted malarkey later on with moving stars, virgin births, the death of his son on the cross, resurrection and all that confusion from all the resulting contradictions and paradoxes.
It seems you're still asking to be 'forced' to believe. And, no, I don't have the strength of faith that Jesus Christ and the original Christians had. All that most Christians can do now is to try to be humble and to pray for themselves and everyone else. It's 'your' time now, and the time is short. We still have free will.
The Atheist Experience team are a bunch of hypocrites; they don't want reasoned sensible discussion or debate; if you make any relevant point they end up blocking you; clearly they just want the fundie fruitcake calling who will only be aware of this idiotic reductive literalist extreme interpretation of the Bible; this is old hat; debated down the centuries; they offer nothing new, only extremism and become as the people they accuse
He just doesn't like gays, lesbians, interracial marriages, prostitutes, disobeying sons, being a firstborn son of egypt, Followers of Korah, people thaty complain about food, anyone that goes near mount sinai, impolite people, people that mock bald pople, people that work in the sabbath day.
Other than that he loves us all
He gave you free will...so use it as he commands you to, or prepare to face his unquenchable wrath! LOL
Where is my proof, you angrily demand? God gave us free will; you'll have to search it out for yourself! You want to be 'forced' to believe, just like the onlookers wanted Jesus to come down from the cross so that they might be forced to believe...like some magic trick. But, guess what, even when Jesus raised people from the dead, there were those who didn't believe. You struggle with it!
@marykfilms I know, right? Miracles and wonders left and right in the Bible. Funny how that kind of stuff happened a long, long time ago but never happens today. If you have faith in God, go lay hands on a cripple and heal him. Do you have faith or don't you?
we chose to go to hell? if someone asked you if you wanted me to punch you in the face everyday and each time i would break your noes (i'm not that strong but you get the point) and you would still fell that pain each day while you were dead too would you say yes?
NO matter how loud you cry or shout that there is No God. Echo sound will hit you again and again that HE IS. No matter how hard you may try to justify your sins, you can not escape from them. Sinner must pay their account of Sins. You have only two options. Pay by your self or accept that Jesus Christ paid for you. There is no other way to escape. Accept The Gift of Salvation through Jesus Christ or be ready to get punishment for your sins which you have done in your body. I will advise, pleas
If god really loved all of us, why even have a hell in the first place. God seems like an abusive father who's like "Man I love my family" and then beats his wife and rapes his son.
I wonder what Christians would think if after entering the pearly gates they are given the chance to take a flame thrower and warm up the unbelievers before they are sent to Hell.
And God loves all the children in Africa that have starved to death while my Mom was trying to get me to eat my oatmeal. Horrible, horrible, crimes committed in the name of other gods while he stood by. This woman would turn a blind eye for her own salvation. Where do you draw the line between her and someone who would drown their own children in the name of the Lord?
I'll tell you what will happen when you die. God is love. His love will be experienced like fire: warmth to those who've live according to his statutes, and as hellfire to those who hate Him. God's not going to 'torture' you on purpose. You just won't have the spiritual wherewithal to tolerate his radiance. Hell would be a mercy for you. Even hell is part of God's mercy.
@marykfilms Where is your proof of this? Also where in scripture does it actually say this? Or are you just making stuff up now? I shouldn't be surprised as this is what Christians to do all the time when a part of the bible doesn't suit their current world view.
There's so many contradictions in the bible... it's amazingly dumbfounding that people believe any of it. Then there's the fact they only believe what they want to. In Exodus 31:12-15 it says you must kill anyone who works on the sabbath. How many relatives do you have that were murdered because they went to work on the sabbath? How many christians are in jail for murder?
@ToastSoup Now that was interesting, I had actually not known that and will be sure to remember. One thing more that I can use when debating Christians.
@ToastSoup You completely ignore the fact that there has been a NEW Testament for over 2,000 years. It's amazing how grimy humans can be; destroying faith, destroying morality, supporting the system, supporting Illuminati deception, willfully lying to everybody then blaming God for the consequences of THEIR own bs.
I wonder what the ratio of "born into religion" vs. "found religion later in life" are? Indoctrinating young children should be considered child abuse. "Do what god says or you'll burn in hell forever." How is that not abusive to a young child?
since im feeling so merciful and christ like, ill give you the opportunity to give me your money before i put a bullet in your skull. its on you ;) <3
@21451r according to religinuts, sexual preference is a choice, and losing faith is 'hating god'.
Sure, both those excuses are provable bullshit, but we're talking religinuts here. Making up bullshit to defend previously stated bullshit, is the golden rule of faith.
@21451r Fundies would argue 'He gave us free will to do what we want.' That's a total cop-out. God states many time in the Bible that he has a pre-determined plan for us and that he'll always love us and care for us. But yet he condemns billions to eternal suffering and damnation. Basically the entire Bible message is 'I give you free will, but I don't actually give you free will; I love you eternally, but because of my predetermined plan I'll send you to eternity of punishment.'
@21451r He didn't create homosexuals, he created male & female to reproduce. Illuminati continues to pervert chemicals by feminizing and over-sexualizing children from the earliest age with porn, drugs, rape, pedophilia, Hollywood & many other tactics. God doesn't hate homosexuals, he hates sexual perversion. He also doesn't make anybody loose faith. Again, that would be the satanic system. Every time God reveals something to us, we hate it. It's our fault for loving lies & loving self.
@blattt188 Illuminati was a religion that believed in science rather than god, and later somehow it was linked with Satanism, but thats a different story.
You said Illuminati created porn, but to be honest, God created Adam and Eve, naked. So that itself is porn.
You said he created male and female to reproduce, but some people are born infertile, they could not reproduce. So are they not made by god in that case?
your probably trippin man God doesn't make anybody loose faith? well then why doesnt he change anything see your lashin out just to get attention just like how the illuminati put porn into our brains and pervert our chemicals.
well Im pretty sure u need to pay attention to life a little bit more and just watch how you reply to people.
"Illuminati continues to pervert chemicals by feminizing and over-sexualizing children from the earliest age with porn, drugs, rape, pedophilia, Hollywood & many other tactics..." - This makes NO sense whatsoever... obviously he created homosexuals without the intervention of the Illuminati or chemicals... or porn... or drugs... why? Because it is listed in the Bible... if homosexuality was a new thing, why would it even be mentioned?
Also, homosexuality has been observed in other living creatures BESIDES humans. Anywho, homosexuality is listed as an abomination within the Bible. Care to explain your feelings on that?
Deuteronomy 23:3 - "An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD forever:"
Ruth was a Moabite according to the Bible. Another contradiction :)
Life could only be produced by supreme intelligence and power. You want more evidence? Lets look at some prophecies that were already fulfilled in history hundreds of years after the fact.
1. Ezekial 26 Tyre thrown into the sea
2. Isaiah 44,45 Cyrus predicted to be the deliverer of the Jews
3. Daniel predicts the next 4 empires of the ancient world. And proper textual analysis doesnt permit a late date
2.00 has them saying "shut up and do what ur told.."
Yes there are some things that we cant understand and we must accept that because we are not God and we didnt created ourselves. And as God He knows all and has every right to take control of the lives of His creation.
Meantime, the bible does allow us room to learn in that it gives us plenty of reasons for the commands of God to motivate us and God forgives us our disobedience if we repent instead of letting it build.
I still find it incredible when I hear Xians like this lady caller is talk about hell as so matter of factly. She's convinced, or maybe not, that it's our choice to go to hell, but what I find astounding about these people is that they so readily accept a god who'd create a hell in the 1st place! It makes no diff. that he originally created hell 4 Satan & the fallen, it's that he'd create such an insane torment and send "anyone" there! Such a being who could be that sadistically cruel, is evil!
That is bc our reasoning is pure and urs is corrupted by pride and arrogant wishes to compete with God.That thinking will increase unless you admit that u arent God and are a creation of God. And as a creation, the creator has every right to do as He pleases with u. If God wants to send me to hell,he can do whatever He wants,its up to Him
But God promises to welcome me into heaven and His presence and share all that is His with me and already has.
It's clear what happens when they are asked if they agree with the arbitrary punishment they think their god has the right to apply on unbelievers. The problem is they're either too hypocritical or too scared to admit they don't agree with the big guy's rules. It's pretty sad stuff.
I used to be like that but now I love God and His one rule which is to let Him live our lives and confess that our evil can only be overcome by His. It took me alot of pain to get to that point of radical repentance but it was all worth it.
I never felt better on the inside while things are worse than ever on the outside.
@j919or You just proved my point right. We are not evil worthless pieces of crap, but religions deliberately indoctrinate you with that idea, only to offer a way oit THROUGH THEM. I honestly don't give a damn if people are willing to deliberately undermine their own intellect to validate a bronze age fairytale (as long as they don't trample other people's rights), but i'm completely sure that i'm not an evil person, and i don't need an imaginary friend to tell that to me. I find that pathetic.
@hellhammerz666 ""i'm completely sure that i'm not an evil person""
What person will admit that they are evil?Only true believers in Jesus,because they are confident in the remedy,namely His forgiveness and restoration.There is ample evidence to believe that the bible is Gods word. ANd God doesnt call people to trust a book but to entrust themselves to Him.If this is ones desire they they will see clearly but if they refuse to entrust their lives to Him then hell is their choice and destiny
More strawman fallacy. Paul , a Roman citizen who knew several languages, wrote most of the NT. THe gospels are solid history. You know nothing of textual criticism. If you disagree, prove that it is written in fairy tale form and prove that it is all written in the bronze age and prove the significance of the bronze age.
@j919or A fairy tale (pronounced /ˈfeəriˌteɪl/) is a type of short story that typically features folkloric characters, such as fairies, goblins, elves, trolls, dwarves, giants or gnomes, and usually magic or enchantments. Miracles and other superstitious magical powers that haven't been demonstrated to be real, zombies, and some other supernatural events for which no evidence is ever presented. Yes, pretty much sums up christan "mystery". Replace gnomes for humans. Not like it matters anyways.
@hellhammerz666 No dumb dumb. Fairy tales were never written as history. They were never meant to be taken as factual accounts, nor were they accounts of public events surrounded with details that would like them to other history.
Even if ur lying dark evil mind wants to debate or negate that there is no current evidence originals the mere fact that the gospels were recorded in the manner gives them great credibility. But you would nt know that for ur goal is not truth but to remain in denial
@j919or That's precisely the problem with the stories of the bible. It's a bunch of supernatural bullshit written to be taken as factual account by people who had no clue about the nature of the universe they lived in. I'm not in denial, i simply submit i don't believe this made up myths people are claiming to be real, and what's worth, DEMANDING faith to be believed instead of providing any evidence to support them. It's not me who has a lying dark mind in denial here.
They knew that a snake or donkey didnt talk and they still called it as they saw it Surrounding Jesus' miracles, people were quite skeptical.Thomas demanded evidence of the resurrection.So they knew enough about the universe to know that those miracles had no other explanation but that God did it.You have denied the supernatural bc u have adopted/assumed the naturalistic worldview that cant explain many elements of life including life itself
@j919or So you actually think the laws of nature magically suspend to favor a specific belief system? I will agree there are plenty of weird things going on in the universe, but why would a god, and even worse YOUR personal god be the direct responsible for these things? When this god supposedly intervenes directly in our physical universe, he becomes a scientific prospect. Unfortunately for his case, nothing points to him existing, and a lot to these stories being simply made up.
@hellhammerz666 No Dumbo. Fairy tales were never written as history. They were never meant to be taken as factual accounts, nor were they accounts of public events surrounded with details indicative of historical lit
Even if ur lyinging dark evil mind wants to debate or negate that there is no current evidence of originals,the mere fact that the gospels were recorded in that manner gives them great credibility.But you wouldnt know that for ur goal is not truth but to remain in denial
@j919or Your criticism of the term "bronze age" would be fair if you completely disregard what was meant to be said by using the term. What i mean is that the fairytales contained in the bilbe are the product of PRIMITIVE, IGNORANT, SELF RIGHTEOUS minds who had no clue about what was going on in the universe they happened to live in. In that time, it may have been valid, but nowadays when we know better ways to learn about the universe, this kind of bullshit is outdated.
Well then write what u mean. Using the terms bronze age just reveals that u are primitve in ur thinking and ignorant of the whole text for their were many authors over a long span of time, that you are self righteous as you hide from God who wants to expose ur evil and self dstructive mind and your goal is to deceive us into submitting to you social pressure.
@j919or You simply desiced to drop a red herring bomb, expecting i would actually not notice the evident and deliberate misrepresentation of my argument on your part. I don't need to hide from a desert fantasy that hasn't been proven real, neither have i got the need to deliberately and willfully undermine my own intellect to bolster pampering fairytales some religious nuts pretend to spread as truth.
Faith IS the evidence for God. Faith is the ability to sense the non material. God gives this to those that seek Him. So yall will be judged and sent to outerdarkness for eternity for you did not want neither the will of God nor the glory of God. You insisted on the ludacrous idea that the creation should do its own will and seek its own glory.
You neither want heaven nor are fit for heaven. Eternal misery is ur destiny.
Faith is gullibility and the willingness to believe silly things you were taught as a child. Like belief in santa claus. If you had evidence, you wouldn't need faith.
"You neither want heaven nor are fit for heaven. Eternal misery is ur destiny."
I'm sure the idea of atheists suffering in hell really arouses you. You and your god are so loving. Unfortunately for you, hell only exists in your mind.
@j919or Faith isn't evidence for nothing. Faith is believing stuff without evidence. It's an excuse people use to believe stuff without having to justify it. What kind of god cares so little about us who understand the nature of evidence to demand faith from his followers? What kind of god speaks to specific people in order to transmit a message meant for all humanity? Heck, we now have monumentally better ways to spread information, yet your god fails to transmit this message to everyone?
@hellhammerz666 ""Faith isn't evidence for nothing. Faith is believing stuff without evidence.""
That is not the bibles definition. Each writing has its own definition of words according to the usage in the text. The bible defines faith as being the evidence itself. Faith is the ability to see what our eyes cant see. I wouldve thought it to be ridiculous too ...until it happened to me. Waves of joy and peace in my initial experience of God is the spiritual life and experience that God gave me
@j919or Who cares what the bile wants to make up as a definition? It's not like definitions can be conveniently twisted to suit one's needs, you know? Faith is believing stuff without evidence, like it or not. When you have a wrong definition, it's evident your argument will crumble under it's own weight, just like yours does. Your belief may be justified by your personal magic experience, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to believe you without having the same sort of evidence.
@j919or It becomes even worse when your cult DEMANDS to believe in order to get evidence. What kind of shitty illogical god would ever make up such a sloppy system in order to spread important information to people he supposedly cares about? Heck, anyone is able to send a freaking text message nowadays and be more effective than your imaginary god can ever hope to be by using ancient languages, oral tradition and analog text media, yet you dare to ask for respect for your faith? Give me a break.
@j919or And of course, since you have no evidence (hence faith), you now proceed to threaten with imaginary afterlife scenarios whcih still remain unproven. Your religion is based on FEAR. It deliberately cripples the human morale in order to rebuild everything with it's egocentric fairytales as the core. Believe in Jesus, or else.... If you don't follow us, you'' be fucked up, one day. You have no evidence to support this crap, and you know it, but are too scared to admit it, "or else"...
THis is a common misconception. I have no fear of hell or judgment for I have been sealed with the Spirit which is a guarantee that I am a child of God and will be with Him forever. Yall are in danger but yall wont listen. Any warnings I give u will be spurned and my purpose is to demonstrate that no matter what God does to help you, you will misinterpret it as negative and reject it.
@j919or You are scared of the whiplash of your imaginary skydaddy, that's why you follow this jesus fellow. "Repent, or else...". That's the best attempt you can have at convincing anyone about your cult's false truths. Your cult doesn't seek to convince, it seeks to convert. Warnings, threats, whatever you wanna call them, it's still unproven bullshit, and it will remain that way until you manage to demonstrate it with evidence. I'm not misinterpreting anything, YOU are rationalizing cruelty.
@j919or How are these myths outdated? The same way Zeus, Thor, Poseidon and other ancient deities used to be themselves explanations for natural phenomena we now fully understand. The fact we don't happen to know how the universe came into existence doesn't mean you can get away with sliding your personal imaginary friend in the gap. Your religion is a big fat argument from ignorance, period.
Nah. Those teachings about God surrounded mans imagination and ur right they were all about explaining origins and natural phenomena. Jesus/God was all about changing men from enemies of God to friends of God thru the forgiveness of sins.
MOst men want to ignore and deny their sin. The message of Jesus/God is not something that men would invent. Men seek ways to hide their sin, not admit it and be humbled.
@j919or Jesus was all about converting people to his cult, period. That's why it's systematically constructed around the idea of original sin, which also happens to be stupid fantasious bullshit. Why the heck would an "all loving, compassionate" god call it's own creations it's enemies? Do you honestly believe a loving father would do such a thing to his children? This god isn't only imaginary, but pretty fucking crazy and immoral as well.
Nah. He was about correcting people that had been deceived by the religious leaders and restored to the correcting teaching of the intents of God. Jesus taught and promised a new way to God and that was thru the merging of God and man via the indwelling presence of God. God in the Holy SPirit would enter a believers life and change him from within.
@j919or Correcting people how? By claiming he would turn the sons against their fathers? By claiming anyone not following him would suffer eternal torment? By making himself an idol, when his supposed skydaddy had already ordered his mindless followers to not worship idols? By claiming the law wouldn't be changed, only to change it? Heck, and that's if he even existed, which is still quite a blurry "fact" in the first place.
@j919or And you're wrong. Jesus message IS something men would invent. Greedy men in search of control over the masses. Powerthirsty self righteous assholes wqho couldn't convince, and would rather coerce. Why do you think they made up all the really retarded "crimes" like blasphemy? Because this unexistent god wouldn't be able to enforce justice on his own, because he doesn't exist, but these crazy jackasses had to keep everyone scared to keep a short leash on them. So much for love.
Good god gave us a brain and free will but demands total obedience at the same time. If you choose to use your brain and free will and come to the conclusion that the evidence for god is not sufficient to justify a belief in him you will be sent to hell and tortured forever.
Thank you god for the gift of a brain and "free will".
Delusion is to think that after God gives us the brain and its capacity that we have finish the job independent of Him and fill that brain with deluded thoughts. We need Him to reprogram our thinking after we have screwed it up thru independence.
"God is at work with in us both to WILL and to do His good purpose"Ph2.12
and
"Allow ur minds to be renewed"Rm12.2
It happened to me when I confessed that all my thinking was twisted
@j919or Actually it comes from the day we were born. Some people are born with the ability to accept things without evidence, and some are not. It's a proven neurological statistic. So, what kind of dumb ass would order people to follow him and make a percentage incapable of belief. Atheism is not a choice. Theism is a neurological disorder,
I could ask for evidence of this but it matters little for it is a moot point. THere are plenty of people that believe stuff w/o evidence and dont believe in God. ANd there are plenty of people that require evidence and do believe in God.
Thus Jays logic is just more deceptive blather coming from the dark illogical and irrational atheist mind
@j919or I never said that these facts only have to deal with god. They can also deal with aliens visiting earth, bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, etc. Anything that people claim to be real and have little to no evidence to support. So, until next time, think before you type. At least ask me what I meant prior to assumption. Just more deceptive blather coming from the ridiculously hindered theistic mind.
Nah. Big difference. Those sightings were not public sightings. The miracles of the Quran were also private sightings.While the miracles of Jesus were public events witnessed by hundreds of people including his enemies.
@j919or Nothing that happened to Jesus was documented. Well, not until 400 years until after he supposedly died. If you think I'm wrong, look it up. The first time the name "Jesus" was ever written down was at the Council of Nicea, over 400 years after he supposedly lived. Before that there were writings of an anointed one or a christ but, not actually Jesus. But, the evidence that his entire existence is based off of Astrological and Astronomical events is pretty conclusive.
@JaysLogic Nah No one dates the gospels later than the first century. This is the most proposterous statement ive heard in quite some time. This reveals 2 things:
1. You are not a critical thinker but a gullible one
2. You would sacrifice your sanity, reputation and soul just to take a shot at God and exucse ur rebellion.
Brainwashed....she sounds Brainwashed...They all sound Brainwashed...this is really really sad and depressing how could we possible fix this? How? their is no reasoning with them
When Xtians can't convince their opponents they like to end up with: "I'll be praying for you" which is just an empty phrase. They may do it once or twice but they give it up quickly.
I've heard such phases n I see NO CHANGE for better.
Prayers are just a waste of time as God is indifferent or just don't care to inform Xtians what are the results of their prayers.
Can you imagine a family with such a father's attitude knowing that all fatherhood derives from God - according to the Bible?
I honestly could care less whether somebody believes in God or the afterlife. Whatever. It is religion itself I detest -- this whole faith based tribal group thinking. I wish Christianity, Islam and Judiasm would go away.
this is the problem the caller.....sheep.....too many sheep not enough goats wake up world before its too late, religion does nothing but separate and belittle. time to take the red pill, peace and love
I plead: don't let it get too late to change your mind, we are living in the last days and our Saviour, who loves our souls, is coming soon, please believe this - it's the Truth and the Good News that Jesus can and will save your soul if you turn to Him. Please pray now for Jesus to be your Lord and Saviour,. ask Him, don't let it get too late. Read Luke 16:19-31
@steveb391 You can't expect to change someone's deep rooted believe in just one or even a few debates. They have to be willing to research this stuff on their own.
@awdrifter3 I have no expectation, I find this funny. By the way I live with some who excommunicated themself from the mormon church during her thirties. I,ve been with her for nine years I know all about someone who has to release the shackles of religion. This was not like ok I quit being religious, it terrified this person to realize that everything she was taught since birth is not true. And so you do not jump to anymore conclusions she decided to leave mormonism before we met. Pure Comedy
@bradkey98765 Especially considering people often aren't very intelligent and our thoughts are to a great degree the product of the society, its knowledge, norms, culture... Why should our thoughts matter?
oh my dear... really? God multiplied Job's stuff? Are you forgetting that his entire family died and instead of bringing them back to life, god gave him a NEW family? How would you feel about that? Would you like it if god let your entire family die and then was like "no big, here ya go - new husband, new kids, were all good right?"
You have to believe Jesus walked on water and killed trees by believing at them or his father will send you to the torture garden. Now in what diseased mind does this represent justice, fairness and morality? I'm supposed to force myself to believe something in order to avoid torture? WTF?
Even if God existed, I wouldn't want to live in eternity with someone like him. I could be as loving as Martin Luther King, as giving as Mother Teresa, and as insightful as Mohandas Gandhi, but if I don't accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, I go to hell. While the murderer, serial rapists, child abuser can change his life around at the last minute. Repent with all his heart and get into the Heaven. If this makes sense to God, then I will see you in hell.
seporokey 1 day ago
Marissa : 'i will be praying for you guys"
Mat : 'ok I will be thinking for you"
virginWHORE69 2 days ago
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I love her "separate sheep from goats" comment. I'd rather be a goat. Goats are agile, smart, and resourceful. Sheep are stupid. They will run off cliffs and drown themselves. Why would i ever want to be a sheep? I do enjoy eating them though :)
whatariot37 3 days ago
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I love her "separate sheep from goats" comment. I'd rather be a goat. Goats are agile, smart, and resourceful. Sheep are stupid. They will run off cliffs and drown themselves. Why would i ever want to be a sheep? I do enjoy eating them though :)
whatariot37 3 days ago
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I love her "separate sheep from goats" comment. I'd rather be a goat. Goats are agile, smart, and resourceful. Sheep are stupid. They will run off cliffs and drown themselves. Why would i ever want to be a sheep? I do enjoy eating them though :)
whatariot37 3 days ago
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I love her "separate sheep from goats" comment. I'd rather be a goat. Goats are agile, smart, and resourceful. Sheep are stupid. They will run off cliffs and drown themselves. Why would i ever want to be a sheep? I do enjoy eating them though :)
whatariot37 3 days ago
I love her "separate sheep from goats" comment. I'd rather be a goat. Goats are agile, smart, and resourceful. Sheep are stupid. They will run off cliffs and drown themselves. Why would i ever want to be a sheep? I do enjoy eating them though :)
whatariot37 3 days ago
that girl was freaky.
ObservableFiction 4 days ago
It sort of scares me how these "nice sounding" people so calmly can agree (after som pushing around, admittedly) that one deserves to burn in hell for not believing. It's like saying not doing something under gun-threat and thus being shot was a choice you made. In a way, true, but right? No effin' way.
Mahdai 4 days ago
Some sheep are sheared, others are slaughtered.
therealjammit 5 days ago
"No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means." (George Bernard Shaw)
lc237 5 days ago
@blattt188 If you can't judge anything (including a god) based off the discription and/or actions or claims of actions then your morals are flawed. As to the skyscraper thing you talked about; I have no idea what you are talking about... Is that to someone else?
Jayjon81 6 days ago
so god blackmails us with eternal torture, and thats moral?
quagmire69giggity 1 week ago
Jesus of Nazareth was the greatest scientist EVER!
blattt188 1 week ago
Why are people so in favor of some alpha animal torturing others if they dont obey? that is really from animal time.
mkv1614 1 week ago
we don't reject god cause we don't believe it exists. That's like if my friend told me, i got his girl for you, she likes you and wants to go out with you, I don't know the girl, i never saw her and i don't think she actually does exist, cause my friend might be joking with me, it's not rejection.
pkidro 1 week ago
What the hell is with blattt1888 and the damn Illuminati?? Not only is he a fundie, but he is also a balmy conspiracy theorist. Oh well, if you think the bible is true, your brain is warped enough to accept any and all crap that comes your way.
noronhacandrew 1 week ago
ahhhhh so ignorant is hurts:S
MrPJ90 1 week ago
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"You can judge your God" uh... exactly what Bible are you reading from? We don't judge God, God judges us. We just use our cause-effect reasoning to link concepts together & come to right conclusions. The contrast is: atheists are self-consumed & their selfish motives blind them from objective reasoning. Christians fear a God who hates lies so we have no leverage to lie to ourselves or buy into Illuminati predictive-programming for our own selfish gratification. We're on extreme opposite ends.
blattt188 1 week ago
@blattt188 " We just use our cause-effect reasoning to link concepts together & come to right conclusions. " -------> That is judging, if you are so blind, then I'm sorry ...
eminescinescu 1 week ago 10
@eminescinescu That's not judging God's character based on my own subjective standards.
blattt188 1 week ago
@blattt188 Objective reasoning?? How wonderful that you may borrow empirical terminology and bend it to your purpose. Objective reasoning tells us that the probability of any supernatural phenomena, including all gods, is very, very low; scientifically, .5% is given to those things which cannot be unproven. Of course, science does not attempt to prove negatives as to do so would be illogical. Agnosticism is the only natural philosophy re: god. Atheism is personal disbelief.
detroitboy65 1 week ago
@detroitboy65 Subjective fantasy tells you that a universe is 'just one of those things that happens from time to time' but objective reasoning tells you that finite space-time has infinite cause. Take the probability of your computer coming into existence by accident from nothingness with no awareness behind it then multiply that by ____<---fill in the blank. See, objective reason doesn't look at light quanta & pretend that "supernatural phenomena" isn't the most explicit reality.
blattt188 1 week ago
@blattt188 Your reasoning is very irrational. that science has not yet answered, and may never do so, the question of origin of matter does not mean god is the default. In the absence of certain knowledge, unscientific falderal does not suffice. The Watchmaker argument, aka: god of the gaps; aka: I.D., has no merit and no analogous foundlings in nature. Your last sentence is meaningless as science (objective reason) would never validate the potential for supernatural phenomena.
detroitboy65 1 week ago
@blattt188 "Illuminati predictive-programming" WTF! Is this what you think atheism is about? You're right about one thing: We are at opposite ends.
Kailoa36 1 week ago
@Kailoa36 Of course that's what it's about. Atheism has always been debunked by every new science until relatively recently when it's become more of a God-hater's cult. It's not even almost reasonable, but it's pushed relentlessly in the most deceptive ways.
blattt188 1 week ago
@blattt188 Congratulations! You just won the stupidest comment ever award! But then, what else would I expect from a bat shit crazy conspiracy theorist? It's time for you to go back to your Thorazine drip and the Nod and Slobber Ward.
Kailoa36 1 week ago
@blattt188 wow you are a complete idiot, not sure where to start with you lol
pkidro 1 week ago
@pkidro typical sheep must use insults to cover lack of brain zpzpzp
blattt188 1 week ago
@blattt188 ROFL sheep? lack of brain?..... says the retard who believes in an invisible man because he was brainwashed into it. Checkmate
pkidro 1 week ago
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@blattt188 "We just use our cause-effect reasoning to link concepts together & come to right conclusions. The contrast is: atheists are self-consumed & their selfish motives blind them from objective reasoning. Christians fear a God who hates lies so we have no leverage to lie to ourselves or buy into Illuminati predictive-programming for our own selfish gratification. We're on extreme opposite ends."
Things simply just gets so much easier to understand when we paint the world black & white.
jomen112 1 week ago
@blattt188 "We just use our cause-effect reasoning to link concepts together & come to right conclusions."
That is Judging. How are you so deluded that you can contradict yourself in the very next sentence? I'm in awe.
I believe, from what I've just read from you; that you are so indoctrinated by the religion that you cannot see obvious contradictions in your critical thinking whenever your religion conflicts with reality.
I'm not trying to be mean. I just hope you can see your error.
Jayjon81 1 week ago
@Jayjon81 We don't judge God's character based on our own subjective standards the way atheists do. "deluded" wait a second, aren't you the one that believes a skyscraper can evolve out of dust by accident in .5 seconds? Look, we all like to drink, go out, stay in, smoke, watch TV... but there's nothing in the world or out of the world that can make me go against science & profess atheism. Not a sin in the whole world. It's just the opposite of reality & every human being who knows it.
blattt188 1 week ago
If hell wasn't made to punish people, but for satan, and god only determined to send people there after they sinned in Eden, then how can god be omniscient? surly he should have known they would sin...and why did he not intervene, it would have saved all that convoluted malarkey later on with moving stars, virgin births, the death of his son on the cross, resurrection and all that confusion from all the resulting contradictions and paradoxes.
Anyone would think it was all made up...
AndyCielecki 2 weeks ago
It seems you're still asking to be 'forced' to believe. And, no, I don't have the strength of faith that Jesus Christ and the original Christians had. All that most Christians can do now is to try to be humble and to pray for themselves and everyone else. It's 'your' time now, and the time is short. We still have free will.
marykfilms 2 weeks ago
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The Atheist Experience team are a bunch of hypocrites; they don't want reasoned sensible discussion or debate; if you make any relevant point they end up blocking you; clearly they just want the fundie fruitcake calling who will only be aware of this idiotic reductive literalist extreme interpretation of the Bible; this is old hat; debated down the centuries; they offer nothing new, only extremism and become as the people they accuse
no1hoopsman 2 weeks ago
GOD LOVES US ALL:
He just doesn't like gays, lesbians, interracial marriages, prostitutes, disobeying sons, being a firstborn son of egypt, Followers of Korah, people thaty complain about food, anyone that goes near mount sinai, impolite people, people that mock bald pople, people that work in the sabbath day.
Other than that he loves us all
He gave you free will...so use it as he commands you to, or prepare to face his unquenchable wrath! LOL
ChaoticRupture 2 weeks ago 5
@ChaoticRupture don't forget witches, he doesn't like those either...
TheGredig 2 weeks ago
HE DID CHANGE THE RULES. HE SENT JESUS.......
onehndrdprcntcreep 2 weeks ago
JESUS
onehndrdprcntcreep 2 weeks ago
@marykfilms - being tortured forever in hell if you dont believe; IS FORCING
OccamsKatana 2 weeks ago
What a mindless twit! Religion is a CANCER !!!
gateman42 2 weeks ago
Where is my proof, you angrily demand? God gave us free will; you'll have to search it out for yourself! You want to be 'forced' to believe, just like the onlookers wanted Jesus to come down from the cross so that they might be forced to believe...like some magic trick. But, guess what, even when Jesus raised people from the dead, there were those who didn't believe. You struggle with it!
marykfilms 2 weeks ago
@marykfilms I know, right? Miracles and wonders left and right in the Bible. Funny how that kind of stuff happened a long, long time ago but never happens today. If you have faith in God, go lay hands on a cripple and heal him. Do you have faith or don't you?
backwoodsninja 2 weeks ago
we chose to go to hell? if someone asked you if you wanted me to punch you in the face everyday and each time i would break your noes (i'm not that strong but you get the point) and you would still fell that pain each day while you were dead too would you say yes?
taylan637 2 weeks ago
NO matter how loud you cry or shout that there is No God. Echo sound will hit you again and again that HE IS. No matter how hard you may try to justify your sins, you can not escape from them. Sinner must pay their account of Sins. You have only two options. Pay by your self or accept that Jesus Christ paid for you. There is no other way to escape. Accept The Gift of Salvation through Jesus Christ or be ready to get punishment for your sins which you have done in your body. I will advise, pleas
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fletchernibiru 3 weeks ago
If god really loved all of us, why even have a hell in the first place. God seems like an abusive father who's like "Man I love my family" and then beats his wife and rapes his son.
TheFingerbuns 3 weeks ago
I wonder what Christians would think if after entering the pearly gates they are given the chance to take a flame thrower and warm up the unbelievers before they are sent to Hell.
x246869 3 weeks ago
I'm surprised they didn't bring up the fact that billions of people of other faiths, and all those that died before jesus were also banished to hell.
HuliJingTheFox 3 weeks ago
belief is not a choice !
Meskiagkasher 3 weeks ago
And God loves all the children in Africa that have starved to death while my Mom was trying to get me to eat my oatmeal. Horrible, horrible, crimes committed in the name of other gods while he stood by. This woman would turn a blind eye for her own salvation. Where do you draw the line between her and someone who would drown their own children in the name of the Lord?
jimbamboozled 3 weeks ago
I'll tell you what will happen when you die. God is love. His love will be experienced like fire: warmth to those who've live according to his statutes, and as hellfire to those who hate Him. God's not going to 'torture' you on purpose. You just won't have the spiritual wherewithal to tolerate his radiance. Hell would be a mercy for you. Even hell is part of God's mercy.
marykfilms 3 weeks ago
@marykfilms Where is your proof of this? Also where in scripture does it actually say this? Or are you just making stuff up now? I shouldn't be surprised as this is what Christians to do all the time when a part of the bible doesn't suit their current world view.
aikighost 3 weeks ago
I'm having trouble thinking of a single GOOD thing that the god of the Bible does that's not for his own gratification...
JMUDoc 3 weeks ago
Whoa, Matt had hair? When was this?
funderkitty07 3 weeks ago
There's so many contradictions in the bible... it's amazingly dumbfounding that people believe any of it. Then there's the fact they only believe what they want to. In Exodus 31:12-15 it says you must kill anyone who works on the sabbath. How many relatives do you have that were murdered because they went to work on the sabbath? How many christians are in jail for murder?
ToastSoup 3 weeks ago 15
@ToastSoup Now that was interesting, I had actually not known that and will be sure to remember. One thing more that I can use when debating Christians.
rbiolden 2 weeks ago
@ToastSoup You completely ignore the fact that there has been a NEW Testament for over 2,000 years. It's amazing how grimy humans can be; destroying faith, destroying morality, supporting the system, supporting Illuminati deception, willfully lying to everybody then blaming God for the consequences of THEIR own bs.
blattt188 1 week ago
I wonder what the ratio of "born into religion" vs. "found religion later in life" are? Indoctrinating young children should be considered child abuse. "Do what god says or you'll burn in hell forever." How is that not abusive to a young child?
ToastSoup 3 weeks ago
among the very hopelessly convinced... why? why?
ingodidoubt 4 weeks ago
"Hell was originally meant for Satan. God didn't plan for humans to go there." So, God isn't omnipotent if something happened beyond his control?
Symos 4 weeks ago
since im feeling so merciful and christ like, ill give you the opportunity to give me your money before i put a bullet in your skull. its on you ;) <3
dopeasfuckk 1 month ago
Simple. If god created us, why does he create homosexuals( which he hate), why does he make us lose faith in him( and let us get tortured).
21451r 1 month ago 23
@21451r according to religinuts, sexual preference is a choice, and losing faith is 'hating god'.
Sure, both those excuses are provable bullshit, but we're talking religinuts here. Making up bullshit to defend previously stated bullshit, is the golden rule of faith.
TheHigherVoltage 4 weeks ago
@21451r Fundies would argue 'He gave us free will to do what we want.' That's a total cop-out. God states many time in the Bible that he has a pre-determined plan for us and that he'll always love us and care for us. But yet he condemns billions to eternal suffering and damnation. Basically the entire Bible message is 'I give you free will, but I don't actually give you free will; I love you eternally, but because of my predetermined plan I'll send you to eternity of punishment.'
iLikeNapkins 3 weeks ago
@21451r He didn't create homosexuals, he created male & female to reproduce. Illuminati continues to pervert chemicals by feminizing and over-sexualizing children from the earliest age with porn, drugs, rape, pedophilia, Hollywood & many other tactics. God doesn't hate homosexuals, he hates sexual perversion. He also doesn't make anybody loose faith. Again, that would be the satanic system. Every time God reveals something to us, we hate it. It's our fault for loving lies & loving self.
blattt188 1 week ago
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@blattt188 Illuminati was a religion that believed in science rather than god, and later somehow it was linked with Satanism, but thats a different story.
You said Illuminati created porn, but to be honest, God created Adam and Eve, naked. So that itself is porn.
You said he created male and female to reproduce, but some people are born infertile, they could not reproduce. So are they not made by god in that case?
21451r 1 week ago
@blattt188 lol just stop.
your probably trippin man God doesn't make anybody loose faith? well then why doesnt he change anything see your lashin out just to get attention just like how the illuminati put porn into our brains and pervert our chemicals.
well Im pretty sure u need to pay attention to life a little bit more and just watch how you reply to people.
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@blattt188
"Illuminati continues to pervert chemicals by feminizing and over-sexualizing children from the earliest age with porn, drugs, rape, pedophilia, Hollywood & many other tactics..." - This makes NO sense whatsoever... obviously he created homosexuals without the intervention of the Illuminati or chemicals... or porn... or drugs... why? Because it is listed in the Bible... if homosexuality was a new thing, why would it even be mentioned?
jrockzmyv382 1 week ago
@blattt188
Also, homosexuality has been observed in other living creatures BESIDES humans. Anywho, homosexuality is listed as an abomination within the Bible. Care to explain your feelings on that?
jrockzmyv382 1 week ago
@21451r What you just said is created by us. By the way, where is the part where he hates homosexuals??!
TheRealHackmaster 1 day ago
@TheRealHackmaster precisely, He didnt say it. It was written in the bibles, so being a homosexual isn't against the god's will.
21451r 1 day ago
Christians are such silly, backwards people, and they're in charge of one of the most powerful countries in the world. It's unbelievable.
werebee 1 month ago
Deuteronomy 23:3 - "An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD forever:"
Ruth was a Moabite according to the Bible. Another contradiction :)
TempleOfInanna2 1 month ago
@TempleOfInanna2 maobites are the chineese
DKJoProductions 1 month ago
Why do christians call themselves sheep? Sheep exist to be fleeced and slaughtered for the profit of the shepherd. Sounds like a shitty deal to me.
smithcas86 1 month ago
It is amazing to me how people will sell their reason for the promise of eternal life.
stvnnmnn 1 month ago
stupidity is so sweet ..bless your heart
funcpl2741054 1 month ago
why do we keep calling them sheep. lets call them cows, a large croud of fat dumb cows that have no thoughts for themselves
georgio210 1 month ago
''''universe came into existence doesn't mean ""
Life could only be produced by supreme intelligence and power. You want more evidence? Lets look at some prophecies that were already fulfilled in history hundreds of years after the fact.
1. Ezekial 26 Tyre thrown into the sea
2. Isaiah 44,45 Cyrus predicted to be the deliverer of the Jews
3. Daniel predicts the next 4 empires of the ancient world. And proper textual analysis doesnt permit a late date
j919or 1 month ago
2.00 has them saying "shut up and do what ur told.."
Yes there are some things that we cant understand and we must accept that because we are not God and we didnt created ourselves. And as God He knows all and has every right to take control of the lives of His creation.
Meantime, the bible does allow us room to learn in that it gives us plenty of reasons for the commands of God to motivate us and God forgives us our disobedience if we repent instead of letting it build.
j919or 1 month ago
WTF HAIR D:}
iTrollThis 1 month ago
I still find it incredible when I hear Xians like this lady caller is talk about hell as so matter of factly. She's convinced, or maybe not, that it's our choice to go to hell, but what I find astounding about these people is that they so readily accept a god who'd create a hell in the 1st place! It makes no diff. that he originally created hell 4 Satan & the fallen, it's that he'd create such an insane torment and send "anyone" there! Such a being who could be that sadistically cruel, is evil!
Cootabux 1 month ago
"I'll be thinking for you"..... c-c-c-combo breaker!!!!
wagnar 1 month ago
@wagnar lol...Killer Instinct!! Awesome game.... ; )
nicomell1 1 month ago
Richard Nixon didn't like the Joooooos!
mattjindrak 1 month ago
For a second I thought that fish said "former Rapist"
AlexWwwolf 1 month ago
@Q8379 "can't reason with these people?"
That is bc our reasoning is pure and urs is corrupted by pride and arrogant wishes to compete with God.That thinking will increase unless you admit that u arent God and are a creation of God. And as a creation, the creator has every right to do as He pleases with u. If God wants to send me to hell,he can do whatever He wants,its up to Him
But God promises to welcome me into heaven and His presence and share all that is His with me and already has.
j919or 1 month ago
May God smite thee Matt and taketh away thyne hair.
dogwomb 1 month ago
It's clear what happens when they are asked if they agree with the arbitrary punishment they think their god has the right to apply on unbelievers. The problem is they're either too hypocritical or too scared to admit they don't agree with the big guy's rules. It's pretty sad stuff.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 ""big guy's rules""
I used to be like that but now I love God and His one rule which is to let Him live our lives and confess that our evil can only be overcome by His. It took me alot of pain to get to that point of radical repentance but it was all worth it.
I never felt better on the inside while things are worse than ever on the outside.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or You just proved my point right. We are not evil worthless pieces of crap, but religions deliberately indoctrinate you with that idea, only to offer a way oit THROUGH THEM. I honestly don't give a damn if people are willing to deliberately undermine their own intellect to validate a bronze age fairytale (as long as they don't trample other people's rights), but i'm completely sure that i'm not an evil person, and i don't need an imaginary friend to tell that to me. I find that pathetic.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
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@hellhammerz666 ""i'm completely sure that i'm not an evil person""
What person will admit that they are evil?Only true believers in Jesus,because they are confident in the remedy,namely His forgiveness and restoration.There is ample evidence to believe that the bible is Gods word. ANd God doesnt call people to trust a book but to entrust themselves to Him.If this is ones desire they they will see clearly but if they refuse to entrust their lives to Him then hell is their choice and destiny
j919or 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 ""bronze age fairytale ""
More strawman fallacy. Paul , a Roman citizen who knew several languages, wrote most of the NT. THe gospels are solid history. You know nothing of textual criticism. If you disagree, prove that it is written in fairy tale form and prove that it is all written in the bronze age and prove the significance of the bronze age.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or A fairy tale (pronounced /ˈfeəriˌteɪl/) is a type of short story that typically features folkloric characters, such as fairies, goblins, elves, trolls, dwarves, giants or gnomes, and usually magic or enchantments. Miracles and other superstitious magical powers that haven't been demonstrated to be real, zombies, and some other supernatural events for which no evidence is ever presented. Yes, pretty much sums up christan "mystery". Replace gnomes for humans. Not like it matters anyways.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 No dumb dumb. Fairy tales were never written as history. They were never meant to be taken as factual accounts, nor were they accounts of public events surrounded with details that would like them to other history.
Even if ur lying dark evil mind wants to debate or negate that there is no current evidence originals the mere fact that the gospels were recorded in the manner gives them great credibility. But you would nt know that for ur goal is not truth but to remain in denial
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or That's precisely the problem with the stories of the bible. It's a bunch of supernatural bullshit written to be taken as factual account by people who had no clue about the nature of the universe they lived in. I'm not in denial, i simply submit i don't believe this made up myths people are claiming to be real, and what's worth, DEMANDING faith to be believed instead of providing any evidence to support them. It's not me who has a lying dark mind in denial here.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 ""bunch of supernatural bullshit ""
They knew that a snake or donkey didnt talk and they still called it as they saw it Surrounding Jesus' miracles, people were quite skeptical.Thomas demanded evidence of the resurrection.So they knew enough about the universe to know that those miracles had no other explanation but that God did it.You have denied the supernatural bc u have adopted/assumed the naturalistic worldview that cant explain many elements of life including life itself
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or So you actually think the laws of nature magically suspend to favor a specific belief system? I will agree there are plenty of weird things going on in the universe, but why would a god, and even worse YOUR personal god be the direct responsible for these things? When this god supposedly intervenes directly in our physical universe, he becomes a scientific prospect. Unfortunately for his case, nothing points to him existing, and a lot to these stories being simply made up.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
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@hellhammerz666 No Dumbo. Fairy tales were never written as history. They were never meant to be taken as factual accounts, nor were they accounts of public events surrounded with details indicative of historical lit
Even if ur lyinging dark evil mind wants to debate or negate that there is no current evidence of originals,the mere fact that the gospels were recorded in that manner gives them great credibility.But you wouldnt know that for ur goal is not truth but to remain in denial
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Your criticism of the term "bronze age" would be fair if you completely disregard what was meant to be said by using the term. What i mean is that the fairytales contained in the bilbe are the product of PRIMITIVE, IGNORANT, SELF RIGHTEOUS minds who had no clue about what was going on in the universe they happened to live in. In that time, it may have been valid, but nowadays when we know better ways to learn about the universe, this kind of bullshit is outdated.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 ""PRIMITIVE, IGNORANT, SELF RIGHTEOUS minds""
Well then write what u mean. Using the terms bronze age just reveals that u are primitve in ur thinking and ignorant of the whole text for their were many authors over a long span of time, that you are self righteous as you hide from God who wants to expose ur evil and self dstructive mind and your goal is to deceive us into submitting to you social pressure.
Explain the logic in "this bullshit is outdated".
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or You simply desiced to drop a red herring bomb, expecting i would actually not notice the evident and deliberate misrepresentation of my argument on your part. I don't need to hide from a desert fantasy that hasn't been proven real, neither have i got the need to deliberately and willfully undermine my own intellect to bolster pampering fairytales some religious nuts pretend to spread as truth.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 ""instead of providing any evidence""
Faith IS the evidence for God. Faith is the ability to sense the non material. God gives this to those that seek Him. So yall will be judged and sent to outerdarkness for eternity for you did not want neither the will of God nor the glory of God. You insisted on the ludacrous idea that the creation should do its own will and seek its own glory.
You neither want heaven nor are fit for heaven. Eternal misery is ur destiny.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or "Faith IS the evidence for God"
Faith is gullibility and the willingness to believe silly things you were taught as a child. Like belief in santa claus. If you had evidence, you wouldn't need faith.
"You neither want heaven nor are fit for heaven. Eternal misery is ur destiny."
I'm sure the idea of atheists suffering in hell really arouses you. You and your god are so loving. Unfortunately for you, hell only exists in your mind.
VesusSheist 1 month ago
@j919or Faith isn't evidence for nothing. Faith is believing stuff without evidence. It's an excuse people use to believe stuff without having to justify it. What kind of god cares so little about us who understand the nature of evidence to demand faith from his followers? What kind of god speaks to specific people in order to transmit a message meant for all humanity? Heck, we now have monumentally better ways to spread information, yet your god fails to transmit this message to everyone?
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 ""Faith isn't evidence for nothing. Faith is believing stuff without evidence.""
That is not the bibles definition. Each writing has its own definition of words according to the usage in the text. The bible defines faith as being the evidence itself. Faith is the ability to see what our eyes cant see. I wouldve thought it to be ridiculous too ...until it happened to me. Waves of joy and peace in my initial experience of God is the spiritual life and experience that God gave me
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Who cares what the bile wants to make up as a definition? It's not like definitions can be conveniently twisted to suit one's needs, you know? Faith is believing stuff without evidence, like it or not. When you have a wrong definition, it's evident your argument will crumble under it's own weight, just like yours does. Your belief may be justified by your personal magic experience, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to believe you without having the same sort of evidence.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@j919or It becomes even worse when your cult DEMANDS to believe in order to get evidence. What kind of shitty illogical god would ever make up such a sloppy system in order to spread important information to people he supposedly cares about? Heck, anyone is able to send a freaking text message nowadays and be more effective than your imaginary god can ever hope to be by using ancient languages, oral tradition and analog text media, yet you dare to ask for respect for your faith? Give me a break.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@j919or And of course, since you have no evidence (hence faith), you now proceed to threaten with imaginary afterlife scenarios whcih still remain unproven. Your religion is based on FEAR. It deliberately cripples the human morale in order to rebuild everything with it's egocentric fairytales as the core. Believe in Jesus, or else.... If you don't follow us, you'' be fucked up, one day. You have no evidence to support this crap, and you know it, but are too scared to admit it, "or else"...
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 ""Your religion is based on FEAR""
THis is a common misconception. I have no fear of hell or judgment for I have been sealed with the Spirit which is a guarantee that I am a child of God and will be with Him forever. Yall are in danger but yall wont listen. Any warnings I give u will be spurned and my purpose is to demonstrate that no matter what God does to help you, you will misinterpret it as negative and reject it.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or You are scared of the whiplash of your imaginary skydaddy, that's why you follow this jesus fellow. "Repent, or else...". That's the best attempt you can have at convincing anyone about your cult's false truths. Your cult doesn't seek to convince, it seeks to convert. Warnings, threats, whatever you wanna call them, it's still unproven bullshit, and it will remain that way until you manage to demonstrate it with evidence. I'm not misinterpreting anything, YOU are rationalizing cruelty.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@j919or How are these myths outdated? The same way Zeus, Thor, Poseidon and other ancient deities used to be themselves explanations for natural phenomena we now fully understand. The fact we don't happen to know how the universe came into existence doesn't mean you can get away with sliding your personal imaginary friend in the gap. Your religion is a big fat argument from ignorance, period.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 ""outdated? The same way Zeus, Thor""
Nah. Those teachings about God surrounded mans imagination and ur right they were all about explaining origins and natural phenomena. Jesus/God was all about changing men from enemies of God to friends of God thru the forgiveness of sins.
MOst men want to ignore and deny their sin. The message of Jesus/God is not something that men would invent. Men seek ways to hide their sin, not admit it and be humbled.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Jesus was all about converting people to his cult, period. That's why it's systematically constructed around the idea of original sin, which also happens to be stupid fantasious bullshit. Why the heck would an "all loving, compassionate" god call it's own creations it's enemies? Do you honestly believe a loving father would do such a thing to his children? This god isn't only imaginary, but pretty fucking crazy and immoral as well.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 ""converting people to his cult""
Nah. He was about correcting people that had been deceived by the religious leaders and restored to the correcting teaching of the intents of God. Jesus taught and promised a new way to God and that was thru the merging of God and man via the indwelling presence of God. God in the Holy SPirit would enter a believers life and change him from within.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Correcting people how? By claiming he would turn the sons against their fathers? By claiming anyone not following him would suffer eternal torment? By making himself an idol, when his supposed skydaddy had already ordered his mindless followers to not worship idols? By claiming the law wouldn't be changed, only to change it? Heck, and that's if he even existed, which is still quite a blurry "fact" in the first place.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@j919or And you're wrong. Jesus message IS something men would invent. Greedy men in search of control over the masses. Powerthirsty self righteous assholes wqho couldn't convince, and would rather coerce. Why do you think they made up all the really retarded "crimes" like blasphemy? Because this unexistent god wouldn't be able to enforce justice on his own, because he doesn't exist, but these crazy jackasses had to keep everyone scared to keep a short leash on them. So much for love.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
This woman is infected with christianity.....cure...atheism.
Killer0fTheSun 1 month ago
@Killer0fTheSun ""cure...atheism""
Yeah, why swim upstream to safety when it feels much better to just go with the current to destruction?
The more I see and confess the evil hardness and hostility that I have towards God the more joy and peace flood my life.
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or
Your faith is destruction...of the mind.
Killer0fTheSun 1 month ago
She sounds like a deer caught in the headlights looks!
Einsteinian99 1 month ago
Lmao this lady is fucking insane
TheMzBrainiac 1 month ago
Good god gave us a brain and free will but demands total obedience at the same time. If you choose to use your brain and free will and come to the conclusion that the evidence for god is not sufficient to justify a belief in him you will be sent to hell and tortured forever.
Thank you god for the gift of a brain and "free will".
RottenRroses 1 month ago
@RottenRroses ""gift of a brain and "free will".
Delusion is to think that after God gives us the brain and its capacity that we have finish the job independent of Him and fill that brain with deluded thoughts. We need Him to reprogram our thinking after we have screwed it up thru independence.
"God is at work with in us both to WILL and to do His good purpose"Ph2.12
and
"Allow ur minds to be renewed"Rm12.2
It happened to me when I confessed that all my thinking was twisted
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or Actually it comes from the day we were born. Some people are born with the ability to accept things without evidence, and some are not. It's a proven neurological statistic. So, what kind of dumb ass would order people to follow him and make a percentage incapable of belief. Atheism is not a choice. Theism is a neurological disorder,
JaysLogic 1 month ago
@JaysLogic ""proven neurological statistic""
I could ask for evidence of this but it matters little for it is a moot point. THere are plenty of people that believe stuff w/o evidence and dont believe in God. ANd there are plenty of people that require evidence and do believe in God.
Thus Jays logic is just more deceptive blather coming from the dark illogical and irrational atheist mind
j919or 1 month ago
@j919or I never said that these facts only have to deal with god. They can also deal with aliens visiting earth, bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, etc. Anything that people claim to be real and have little to no evidence to support. So, until next time, think before you type. At least ask me what I meant prior to assumption. Just more deceptive blather coming from the ridiculously hindered theistic mind.
JaysLogic 1 month ago
@JaysLogic ""aliens visiting earth, bigfoot""
Nah. Big difference. Those sightings were not public sightings. The miracles of the Quran were also private sightings.While the miracles of Jesus were public events witnessed by hundreds of people including his enemies.
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j919or 1 month ago
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@j919or "While the miracles of Jesus were public events witnessed by hundreds of people including his enemies."
So why aren't those miracles (or jesus) mentioned anywhere outside of the bible?
VesusSheist 1 month ago
@j919or Nothing that happened to Jesus was documented. Well, not until 400 years until after he supposedly died. If you think I'm wrong, look it up. The first time the name "Jesus" was ever written down was at the Council of Nicea, over 400 years after he supposedly lived. Before that there were writings of an anointed one or a christ but, not actually Jesus. But, the evidence that his entire existence is based off of Astrological and Astronomical events is pretty conclusive.
JaysLogic 1 month ago
@JaysLogic Nah No one dates the gospels later than the first century. This is the most proposterous statement ive heard in quite some time. This reveals 2 things:
1. You are not a critical thinker but a gullible one
2. You would sacrifice your sanity, reputation and soul just to take a shot at God and exucse ur rebellion.
Woe unto u!!
j919or 1 month ago
The guy on the right is really annoying...always talking over the caller.
ccfore 1 month ago
@Q8379
I agree with you %100. But at least it shows the stupidity and hypocrisy of theists to the general public.
vinegarthomas 1 month ago
Why do christains, sound like fucking retards, oh yeah lol
MrShawno1231 1 month ago
i like the book of job
it's hilarious
al3699 1 month ago
i'll be praying for both of you.
well i'll be thinking for you XD awesome!!!
NileMxpx666 1 month ago 17
...this is fucking sad...*shed tear*
enyskept 1 month ago
...dude, I'm about to shed a tear about how this dilusion has such a profound grip on the minds of these people...
enyskept 1 month ago
Brainwashed....she sounds Brainwashed...They all sound Brainwashed...this is really really sad and depressing how could we possible fix this? How? their is no reasoning with them
BLAZE45 1 month ago
When Xtians can't convince their opponents they like to end up with: "I'll be praying for you" which is just an empty phrase. They may do it once or twice but they give it up quickly.
I've heard such phases n I see NO CHANGE for better.
Prayers are just a waste of time as God is indifferent or just don't care to inform Xtians what are the results of their prayers.
Can you imagine a family with such a father's attitude knowing that all fatherhood derives from God - according to the Bible?
mcfunthomas 1 month ago
I believe in VOLUME CONTROL!!!
TheCaptainD82 1 month ago
@TheCaptainD82 n I BELIEVE IN YOUR WORDS. :)
mcfunthomas 1 month ago
I honestly could care less whether somebody believes in God or the afterlife. Whatever. It is religion itself I detest -- this whole faith based tribal group thinking. I wish Christianity, Islam and Judiasm would go away.
MrNicMachiavelli 1 month ago
this proves that some people will always say "believe" where other would say "think".
holyboddy 1 month ago
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‘Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,’ 2 Peter 3:3
KingdomSeeker2012 1 month ago
this is the problem the caller.....sheep.....too many sheep not enough goats wake up world before its too late, religion does nothing but separate and belittle. time to take the red pill, peace and love
Pkilla1029 1 month ago
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I plead: don't let it get too late to change your mind, we are living in the last days and our Saviour, who loves our souls, is coming soon, please believe this - it's the Truth and the Good News that Jesus can and will save your soul if you turn to Him. Please pray now for Jesus to be your Lord and Saviour,. ask Him, don't let it get too late. Read Luke 16:19-31
KingdomSeeker2012 1 month ago
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‘Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the Lord and depart from evil, It will be health to your flesh, And strength to you bones.’ Proverbs 3:7,8
KingdomSeeker2012 1 month ago
Since "god" plans our future, he made atheist people atheist.
maborian787 1 month ago
@maborian787 Yes but christians will say " he gave you a choice" but i say well god had a choice to even make me a believer or not.
ryan6627 1 month ago
@ryan6627 true.
maborian787 1 month ago
@steveb391: i concur.
Steamsteam 1 month ago
JESUS Christ!! these debates to me are pure comedy because they truly go no where. Just my observation no disrespect intended.
steveb391 2 months ago
@steveb391 You can't expect to change someone's deep rooted believe in just one or even a few debates. They have to be willing to research this stuff on their own.
awdrifter3 1 month ago
@awdrifter3 I have no expectation, I find this funny. By the way I live with some who excommunicated themself from the mormon church during her thirties. I,ve been with her for nine years I know all about someone who has to release the shackles of religion. This was not like ok I quit being religious, it terrified this person to realize that everything she was taught since birth is not true. And so you do not jump to anymore conclusions she decided to leave mormonism before we met. Pure Comedy
steveb391 1 month ago
"i'll be thinking for you." Genius!
tintiringa 2 months ago 3
How do Christians justify that God rewards/punishes people depending on belief?
I can see many reasons why it would be a part of any popular religion, but none if you assume god is real and good.
bradkey98765 2 months ago
@bradkey98765 Especially considering people often aren't very intelligent and our thoughts are to a great degree the product of the society, its knowledge, norms, culture... Why should our thoughts matter?
topperheartramada 2 months ago
Yeah...Moses didn't exist either.
jordaniac89 2 months ago
oh my dear... really? God multiplied Job's stuff? Are you forgetting that his entire family died and instead of bringing them back to life, god gave him a NEW family? How would you feel about that? Would you like it if god let your entire family die and then was like "no big, here ya go - new husband, new kids, were all good right?"
red666111 2 months ago
You have to believe Jesus walked on water and killed trees by believing at them or his father will send you to the torture garden. Now in what diseased mind does this represent justice, fairness and morality? I'm supposed to force myself to believe something in order to avoid torture? WTF?
LucisFerre1 2 months ago