still wonder if kaiser bill had turned out to be such an ass hole if prince albert had lived to instill in him more self-discipline and his own benevolence and just plain humanity? had albert lived to 1880 even, and helped raise his grandson this whole crap may have been avoided.
@yerpaljesus obviously the English empire and time travailing soviets made a deal that's why the English won that battle they simply forgot to put that in the history books
Actually, the British navy kept the main German fleet bottled up in harbor for the entire war. The allied blockade crippled the German economy and was instrumental in winning the war.
@davidrodgersNJ If the British kept the German Navy bottled up in their ports for the entire war, how come the Germans were able to bombard the British coast, participate in the battle of the Doggerbank or fight in the battle of the Skagerak? And there was operation Albion a combined forces battle with German Army, Navy and airforce (Zeppelins) in 1917 in the Gulf of Riga? That particular fleet was based in Kiel in the Baltic.
@davidrodgersNJ Of course they did involve the main units of the Hochsee Flotte. I could name you the names of the ships. The ships that come to mind at first were /Seydlitz and Derfflinger of the first Aufklaerungs Geschwader. I believe it was Luetzow that was to be scuttled on the way home. The Kaiser class ships were also involved. I don't have time right now to go into my library.
@chloe7829 Well, if the German fleet had freedom of the seas, how do you explain the British blockade of Germany that brought the Germans to the brink of starvation at war's end?
This. Germany could use it's Submarine fleet to great effect, but it's High Seas Fleet, the main arm of it's naval power, couldn't break through the blockade (despite arguably winning the Battle of Jutland).
How could the US Navy be "Nearly as big" as the Royal Navy if the German navy was the second largest and operated far fewer battleships than the Royal Navy? the US Navy only overtook the Royal Navy in size around 1942 when the inability of the UK to produce more ships (due to the uboat attacks) and the loss of several powerful ships (repulse, renown, hood) meant the US who was at peace could outbuilt us..
The US navy by the first world war as no where near as big as the Royal Navy, by 1914 the Royal Navy operated 42 battleships and battlecruisers and the second largest navy in the world was the German Navy with 28, it was only after the first world war that the USN vowed to outbuild the Royal Navy so to prevent another arms race the washington naval treaty was signed to limit the UK and US to 20 battleships a piece and everyone else to 6..
The Germans claimed that their fleet was designed to "protect German commerce"...but the German ships were all designed and built with small coal bunkers...meaning they were all short range ships...they were obviously directed only for use in the North Sea...therefore they were focused upon battle with Britain...and the British knew this...but the Germans continued to deny it!
and which power posed the greatest threat to german commerce, should a war arise? which power has a large navy capable of threatening commerce worldwide?
The US navy was almost as large as the British Navy.
Britain had a very small army and was an island. So she was dependent upon the sea for imports of raw materials and for commerce trade....Germany being a continental power was not so dependent upon the sea.
Hence saying Britannia nolonger rules the waves and the British suffer a range of defeats is incorrect, We suffered one major defeat which was in the grand scheme of things insignificant, the UK had to transfer two battlecruisers from the home fleet to meet the challenge, the UK still kept around 28 in UK waters to face the German fleet which was the goal.
i agree w/ u it was not a range of defeats. the # of british vessels still in the north sea has nothing to do with the fact that 2 battlecruisers were sent to deal with a squadron of 5 older obsolete ships that was causing a nightmare for allied shipping across the pacific and indian oceans. with the squadron running out of colliers and ports, they did as much damage as possible.
No it wasn't a bigger victory for the British than Coronel was for the Germans because it was less significant in British plans at the time, It was the only naval movement Germany was involved in in the early stages of the war, The UK was flooding resources from the empire to the UK to support the war effort so i agree in terms of the ambition of both nations it was insignificant to the UK but important to Germany, My point is if you compare the battles the Falklands was far more decisive
even though the squadron was ultimately destroyed, it's effect on merchant shipping and the allied operations for the first months of the war was a major victory. at the end of 1914, the germans had disrupted and destroyed allied shipping. they also delayed and changed occupation of german territories. given the situat. vonspee was as effective as his force can be. he was enroute to germany for the remainder of the war, so his sinking didn't change what would have been for the rest of the war
And a month later Spees division was completely destroyed for the cost of around 10 British sailors and the threat of the German navy to allied shipping was ended.
Von spee with outdated armored cruisers and 4 light cruisers was able to disrupt the allied war efforts in waters that cover nearly half the planet. The emden was detached and went on to capture more than 20 commerce ships, destroyed wireless stations and bombarded allied ports. This altered allied shipping throughout the entire indian ocean. von spees squadron stopped allied operations in new guinea and other german held possessions. spee then had a big victory @ coronel that caused panic.
The Royal Navy's Dominance was maintained until the second world war.. So your description is incorrect, By the start of the second world war the Royal Navy operated 15 Battleships and 7 Air Craft Carriers, Germany operated 6.
after the victory at coronel churchill and the british admiralty panicked and detached 2 modern battle-cruisers, therefore weakening the british north sea fleet to sail to the south atlantic 2 search and destroy von spee. this is evidence that von spees existence greatly upset alled efforts throughout foreign waters. It is a fact that allied shipping was halted in fear of being caught by either von spee's squadron or its auxillary's or colliers. this was a great german victory.
it was a great german victory because a squadron of 5 outdated cruisers were singlehandedly changing the allied supply lines all over the globe. With little coal and ammunition von spee was forced to make a return to germany.. he simply had no other options. the british knew this and deployed the battle cruisers in a position to intercept von spee. thus resulting in the german loss @ falklands. but, falklands was not a bigger victory for the british than coronel was for the germans.
German had better qaulity battleships before during WW1
VIV292 1 day ago
willhelm II - moron!!
Keef19661 3 months ago
still wonder if kaiser bill had turned out to be such an ass hole if prince albert had lived to instill in him more self-discipline and his own benevolence and just plain humanity? had albert lived to 1880 even, and helped raise his grandson this whole crap may have been avoided.
nomadnametab 3 months ago
@nomadnametab Prince Albert was just as big an asshole as the Kaiser ever was. They were both imperialists.
acr08807 1 week ago
1:27 It looks like a mig 15 diving.
yerpaljesus 3 months ago
@yerpaljesus obviously the English empire and time travailing soviets made a deal that's why the English won that battle they simply forgot to put that in the history books
Laneperk1 2 months ago
i'm really amazed by old germany not this gay version now.
Fatallica1985 5 months ago
Is that HMS Victory at 9:25?
TowerHamletsNeil 1 year ago
@TowerHamletsNeil Yes. She didn't go into dry dock until 1922.
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
Actually, the British navy kept the main German fleet bottled up in harbor for the entire war. The allied blockade crippled the German economy and was instrumental in winning the war.
davidrodgersNJ 1 year ago 10
@davidrodgersNJ If the British kept the German Navy bottled up in their ports for the entire war, how come the Germans were able to bombard the British coast, participate in the battle of the Doggerbank or fight in the battle of the Skagerak? And there was operation Albion a combined forces battle with German Army, Navy and airforce (Zeppelins) in 1917 in the Gulf of Riga? That particular fleet was based in Kiel in the Baltic.
chloe7829 8 months ago
@chloe7829 The battles you mention didn't involve the main German fleet.
davidrodgersNJ 8 months ago
@davidrodgersNJ Of course they did involve the main units of the Hochsee Flotte. I could name you the names of the ships. The ships that come to mind at first were /Seydlitz and Derfflinger of the first Aufklaerungs Geschwader. I believe it was Luetzow that was to be scuttled on the way home. The Kaiser class ships were also involved. I don't have time right now to go into my library.
Koelschwolf
chloe7829 8 months ago
@chloe7829 Well, if the German fleet had freedom of the seas, how do you explain the British blockade of Germany that brought the Germans to the brink of starvation at war's end?
davidrodgersNJ 8 months ago
@davidrodgersNJ
This. Germany could use it's Submarine fleet to great effect, but it's High Seas Fleet, the main arm of it's naval power, couldn't break through the blockade (despite arguably winning the Battle of Jutland).
BadlanderOutsider 7 months ago
@BadlanderOutsider Which is exactly my point.
davidrodgersNJ 7 months ago
germany did indeed need a large navy to maintain its trade with africa and china?
Rico8458 1 year ago
How could the US Navy be "Nearly as big" as the Royal Navy if the German navy was the second largest and operated far fewer battleships than the Royal Navy? the US Navy only overtook the Royal Navy in size around 1942 when the inability of the UK to produce more ships (due to the uboat attacks) and the loss of several powerful ships (repulse, renown, hood) meant the US who was at peace could outbuilt us..
TowerHamletsNeil 2 years ago 8
@TowerHamletsNeil I agree totally, but you are wrong on one detail: Renown survived the Second World War
higfny 1 year ago
@ EdwardRommel
The US navy by the first world war as no where near as big as the Royal Navy, by 1914 the Royal Navy operated 42 battleships and battlecruisers and the second largest navy in the world was the German Navy with 28, it was only after the first world war that the USN vowed to outbuild the Royal Navy so to prevent another arms race the washington naval treaty was signed to limit the UK and US to 20 battleships a piece and everyone else to 6..
TowerHamletsNeil 2 years ago
The Germans claimed that their fleet was designed to "protect German commerce"...but the German ships were all designed and built with small coal bunkers...meaning they were all short range ships...they were obviously directed only for use in the North Sea...therefore they were focused upon battle with Britain...and the British knew this...but the Germans continued to deny it!
EdwardRommel 2 years ago
and which power posed the greatest threat to german commerce, should a war arise? which power has a large navy capable of threatening commerce worldwide?
oh, that's right-- BRITAIN.
MvonRichthofen1918 2 years ago
The US navy was almost as large as the British Navy.
Britain had a very small army and was an island. So she was dependent upon the sea for imports of raw materials and for commerce trade....Germany being a continental power was not so dependent upon the sea.
EdwardRommel 2 years ago
what of the food riots, eduardo? what of the thousands of german civilians who died of famine as a result of the blockade?
MvonRichthofen1918 2 years ago
Nice...A very small army but THE BIGGEST NAVY...
fredrunlikehell 2 years ago
Hence saying Britannia nolonger rules the waves and the British suffer a range of defeats is incorrect, We suffered one major defeat which was in the grand scheme of things insignificant, the UK had to transfer two battlecruisers from the home fleet to meet the challenge, the UK still kept around 28 in UK waters to face the German fleet which was the goal.
TowerHamletsNeil 2 years ago
i agree w/ u it was not a range of defeats. the # of british vessels still in the north sea has nothing to do with the fact that 2 battlecruisers were sent to deal with a squadron of 5 older obsolete ships that was causing a nightmare for allied shipping across the pacific and indian oceans. with the squadron running out of colliers and ports, they did as much damage as possible.
oberltMBowden23 2 years ago
No it wasn't a bigger victory for the British than Coronel was for the Germans because it was less significant in British plans at the time, It was the only naval movement Germany was involved in in the early stages of the war, The UK was flooding resources from the empire to the UK to support the war effort so i agree in terms of the ambition of both nations it was insignificant to the UK but important to Germany, My point is if you compare the battles the Falklands was far more decisive
TowerHamletsNeil 2 years ago
And those two modern battlecruisers ended any threat the German forces posed to Allied shipping..
TowerHamletsNeil 2 years ago
even though the squadron was ultimately destroyed, it's effect on merchant shipping and the allied operations for the first months of the war was a major victory. at the end of 1914, the germans had disrupted and destroyed allied shipping. they also delayed and changed occupation of german territories. given the situat. vonspee was as effective as his force can be. he was enroute to germany for the remainder of the war, so his sinking didn't change what would have been for the rest of the war
oberltMBowden23 2 years ago
And a month later Spees division was completely destroyed for the cost of around 10 British sailors and the threat of the German navy to allied shipping was ended.
TowerHamletsNeil 2 years ago
The battle of coronel was no where near as big a defeat as the battle of the falkland islands which largely redeemed the British forces?
TowerHamletsNeil 2 years ago
Von spee with outdated armored cruisers and 4 light cruisers was able to disrupt the allied war efforts in waters that cover nearly half the planet. The emden was detached and went on to capture more than 20 commerce ships, destroyed wireless stations and bombarded allied ports. This altered allied shipping throughout the entire indian ocean. von spees squadron stopped allied operations in new guinea and other german held possessions. spee then had a big victory @ coronel that caused panic.
oberltMBowden23 2 years ago
The Royal Navy's Dominance was maintained until the second world war.. So your description is incorrect, By the start of the second world war the Royal Navy operated 15 Battleships and 7 Air Craft Carriers, Germany operated 6.
TowerHamletsNeil 2 years ago
after the victory at coronel churchill and the british admiralty panicked and detached 2 modern battle-cruisers, therefore weakening the british north sea fleet to sail to the south atlantic 2 search and destroy von spee. this is evidence that von spees existence greatly upset alled efforts throughout foreign waters. It is a fact that allied shipping was halted in fear of being caught by either von spee's squadron or its auxillary's or colliers. this was a great german victory.
oberltMBowden23 2 years ago
it was a great german victory because a squadron of 5 outdated cruisers were singlehandedly changing the allied supply lines all over the globe. With little coal and ammunition von spee was forced to make a return to germany.. he simply had no other options. the british knew this and deployed the battle cruisers in a position to intercept von spee. thus resulting in the german loss @ falklands. but, falklands was not a bigger victory for the british than coronel was for the germans.
oberltMBowden23 2 years ago