I completely Agree with your statements...dont worry about the people who have a problem with your opinions (the haters) on the Twilight books, sadly their all suffering from a mental disorder known as "necrophilia";) and to all the parental units who green lit this abusive and obssesive relationship for their children; I suggest you re-evaluate your own relationship with your spouse. psychological and emotional abuse should never be encouraged. (and yes i've read every chapter of every book.
I have read twilight (i know people who say they hate it without actually reading it) and i hated it. I have also been in relationships, and i don't find it worthwile, and the end of it is not worth the happiness at the beginning. Why do we read this stuff? b/c imaginary love stories are perfect. Life isn't perfect, and we aren't perfect so why do we expect relationships to be perfect?
Your eyes are profusely massive...I love them! Completely off the record, as I am a thirteen year old girl and have read the entire "saga" (God, that word is so irrelevant in this situation). I find the writing awfully repetitive in nature, making it uninteresting in the highest caliber. The plot, in my opinion, is just so incredibly dead that it's practically unfathomable in this sense. I dispise the infatuation, sexism, and sexual disorders that is flooded throughout this book.
The other day I was in Barnes and Noble with my wife. While I paused to look at what section we were in, she turned and said in a slow, disbelieving, dead-pan voice "New.... Teen.... Supernatural... Romance." Yup, an entire shelf of it followed by several shelves of 'just' Teen Supernatural Romance. *sigh* Apparently, teens did not heed your warning. Of course, I am disappointed that you did not cover the impossible archetype is has created for boys - millions will go dateless now....
@dillenbeck53531 Yikes. And you're certainly right that the Twilight novels set up negative expectations for males as well; a topic for another video...
Even through I really like the twilight books, I totaly agree with you. I also strugel with this issue, because I'm 20, and I hadn't any romantic relationship yet, wich makes me feel miserable. So I'm really greatfull, that you made this video. :)
I completely understand you. All my life I've been obsessed with the idea of falling in love. I got my first crush on young age of two. I always imagined what it would be like falling in love. I know that the reason for this obsession was that in ALL the movies and shows I've seen as a child showed that girls were always happy once they found "the one." When I actually found "the one," I actually didn't want to do anything else but be w/ him. So, I had to rekindle another dream I had as a girl.
Hermione taught me that even when the love of your life is away, you can still fight and be brave and in her case, continue to find information leading to the downfall of a dark lord.
Bella taught me that girls are nothing without a man and should curl up in a ball and jump off a cliff if he's away
GIRL this book is not romance, f*ck it's not even love to start with. It's nothing but porn. Underage porn between a 107 yr old man with a 17 yr old teen girl who act like an old lady. wow... just wow...
"They are similar because they are both speaking to young people, but the difference is J.K. Rowling is a terrific author while Stephenie Meyer can't write worth a darn." FROM THE MAN HIMSELF!
I'm a twilighter, and I don't hate you after watching this;) Acctually I wanna thank you. You helpped me a lot with this vido, so thanks. You have a Great Point, thank uoy for that opinion.But, I sill love Twilight and nothing will make me change my mind...ever! As you said it is a great book with amazing story.
The results of reading Twilight depends on the individual. I myself love the Twilight series but only because I enjoy reading about crazy fantasy stories & I do so to escaped from reality. I know it's not realistic & it messes with the traditional mythology of vampires and werewolves and I am fully aware that the basis of Edward and Bella's relationship is not healthy. Though, unfortunately, the impressionable teenage mind cannot not differentiate from what is realistic & what is glamorized.
I understand your point of view , but that is why I disagree with you. I believe that all girls crave that sweep you off your feet romance. Since romantic tales have been around for a long time: it has probably been an on going thing. Most of us have come to the realization that this is an invalid expectation, and therefore live vicariously through tales of said splendor. I do agree that it is dangerous to mix fantasy with reality. As long as a reader takes the story as a great vacation.
@piratejayne I don't know - I think if you look at literature throughout history and world culture, you'll see that our current understanding of romance has not been a constant of human culture. Marriage was, for a long time in many cultures, largely considered a property acquisition.
Unfortunately, I disagree; this was not well-written. It was mind-candy, plain and simple. Also, I for one do not want to go out looking for a sparkly, fang-less man to stalk me. By recognizing not only that it is fiction but also that this type of man is ultimately frighteningly domineering and obsessive, I think I'll be safe.
Interesting point, but I disagree recommending that people not read it. It's just candy. Candy cannot nourish, but it does enhance. It has its place. No one over five would expect to thrive on candy alone, but to not enjoy it at all is denying oneself of one of life's little pleasures. Teaching our youth the difference between the two, & how to make the most of each, would be a decent step towards quelling any lasting, unrealistic notions of relationships, or anything else for that matter.
@SeekerKC I guess my point here is that it's not just that the book fails to nourish - I contend that it actually does harm. And maybe it is like candy in that it doesn't necessarily harm as long as you consume it in very small doses, but the problem is that we are bathing in sugar (in terms of these unhealthy attitudes towards romance totally pervading our culture in movies, magazines, and music) and already in serious danger of overdose, and this is a particularly sucrose-laden morsel.
I like how you hit dead on about the romantic relationship story being popular but is such a hurtful lie in the world. It is the reason why I dislike Twilight and chic-flicks
I had a writing teacher who once said, "Twilight is half-baked. The concept of vampires + humans interacting is brilliant, but Stephanie Meyer's execution of it is awful." I couldn't agree more.
I'm a huge twilight fan, but I totaly agre with you. I'm 19, almost twenty, and I'm totaly sad and deppresed, that I don't have a boyfirend. I feel exactly the way, you described in the video. But I still love the books.
romance is only one aspect of life.. i think that bella is so obsessed with edward because she is fragile and has no sense of self.. the author creates not even a slight personality for either bella or edward and there is no dispcription for why they love each other.. i find this very stale and unnatural... two "people" devoid of personality who don't seem to love each other so much as be obsessed with each other due to their lack of personality.. and i don't think the author has a very goodstyl
I saw this for the first time a while ago, but I keep coming back to it (and "How Books Get into Our Brains") for various reasons. Right now? All my friends are getting married, and I'm feeling all sad and left out.
I have decided that sometime soon maybe I should go on a spree of reading Victorian literature, where people who fall in love die. It might help.
i agree with your point to some extent, however the message you're implying is that we should not allow ourselves to be exposed to romance at all if it's not realistic or practical. and in media and literature that's a needle in about four million haystacks.
@morglyt3 Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say we should only read things that are realistic or practical; I'm just saying we should avoid things that are pointedly harmful. That is still a "needle-in-a-haystack" prospect, but I think a worthwhile one.
You're 23? I'd've guessed 19. (That's neither compliment nor criticism) They never admit it but teenage boys and lots of older men also feel they're nothing unless they feel every woman theirs if they accept her, maybe boys even more than girls. Edward's predecessor may be James Bond. Sadly, it often stays at that superficial level.
Agree totally that relationship is the only thing that validates life. But not 'girly' (but egomaniac) sigh wistfully so all the boys run after me stuff - and not only for girls. Read Jane Austen, 200 years ago, her heroines are less dependent drips than many today. Emily Bronte started that - Heathcliffe is an abused abuser, we can feel sorry for him but he's still a swine.
Relationship: best of friends, you work, talk, imagine, build life & family as equal partners not worshiper & god/dess
this video is great. Bc i too think this way that all movies and books are pushed towards the ideal that true happiness is found through a boy. and side note twilight is like stalker guide 2 how to not be a boyfriend. he's possessive and controlling he has a short temper and wants to know everything about her.that is a red alert to avoid at all cost. so crazy how they romanticized that. girls will want to find someone like that bc they think that is how a good boyfriend should act & treat gf.
Its not just entertainment, its society as a whole. I would also argue that entertainment didnt influence society as much as society influenced entertainment. To think that you feel this way because of your exposure to hollywood would seem flawed, you feel this way because its who you are, and as a result certain books/movies will effect you differently that others. Your families ideals and your own experiences made you, it wasnt caused by Romeo and Juliet.
@Culture261 I would definitely say there's a feedback relationship between entertainment and the rest of society, but I wouldn't agree that entertainment has no impact in the way we understand the world. You're right that my feelings about romantic relationships are shaped not just by fiction but also by the world around me. However, especially as someone who spent quite possibly a majority of her waking childhood reading books, I don't think it's a stretch to say they impacted me somehow.
My problem with twilight is the fans. They cant see reason. They wont listen to my argument on how they 'love' each other because edward is written as supermegafoxyawesomehot and basically a superhero and bella loves him, while edward loves her because...she smells good?
like I said before, the fangirls are insufferable. Some of them can take other opinions, but most just scream about how sexy taylor lautner is.
@LexiTheShortOne Whats your point? Are you saying that real life relationships dont start with shallow, trivial, and unsignificant reasons? People in real life sometimes get married the day of meeting, do you think thats because of their deep mutual respect of each others worldy views?
@Culture261 Are you talking about arranged marriages? Or are you saying there are other circumstances were people decide to get married the day they meet each other?
The only thing I think you really missed out on (besides the fact that I totally disagree on the "well-written" aspect) is that it perpetuates the ideal of a relationship in which women are totally helpless, to the point that Edward teeters on the edge of being abusive at several points.
Not only should we not encourage young women to consider a romantic relationship as their only means of validation, contentment, and self-worth, we DEFINITELY shouldn't be encouraging that kind of relationship.
@smrockyriver You are 100% right, we should not encourage females to date vampires. I checked the stats on this and its down to 0%!! The movement has been a success!! Now we have to move our efforts to try to at least put a dent in parents sending their children off to hogwarts. Its an incredibly dangerous school for anyone, expecially first years!
@Culture261 Though we *have* managed to severely reduce the number of women dating vampires, I have to say that the phenomenon of women dating domineering abusers has not yet been abolished.
Wow. I really think you hit the nail on the head with this one. I used to be really confused about why no guy wanted to date me in high school and I ended up feeling very inadequate. Thank you for putting this video out there. It was all very well said and I agree with everything you talked about. (Except for the parts where you said it was well written... :/ )
Wow! That was an amazingly thoughtfull and well articulated analysis.
I want to add, its not just the media influences. Every girl has a desire to be adored, its a deep, fundamental desire. What would be helpfull if every dad loved his daughter and told her she's amazing, and beautifull and wortwhile. I think that and validation from her brothers and friends would also help mitigate media influence.
@pienkunicorn I guess I'm not sure how you can separate out deep cultural influences from fundamental desires which we would have had no matter how culture shaped us. Unless you're basing this on the book "Captivating" or one like it, and that is a subject for a whole nother video...
This is amazing. Thank you SO much for posting this video. I'm going to send it to all my friends who are completely obsessed with this book. I've had difficulty articulating why exactly I have so many issues with this book, but you've done it beautifully.
I really like this video, I agree with the points you're making about how the unrealistic portrayals of romantic relationships. It can seriously affect someone as old as the Twilight books are being targeted at, and can make them think that they are not worth while as a person if they don't have a relationship as 'perfect' as that. I jut don't think these books set a very good example of life for people who read them.
I like your thoughts, except,- This book will cause you to want a romance like twilight. if your talking about an older age group, doesn't everyone want a sweet, sensitive guy that will love them more then life. Then if your talking about the younger age group, then yeah, it will make them want to go out and find a love like that, but it won't be a lasting phase, people are constantly being affected and they will eventually get into something new that the media is forcing down their throats.
I tried to give it a chance, I really did. Eventually the poor writing made me want to take a red pen and edit every single bit of Purple Prose, plot holes, and violations of the Show, Don't Tell rule. Did Meyer even use an editor?
I read (and enjoyed) the series after my teenage daughters started reading it. To me it seemed like a great tool to open up a dialog about aspects of healthy and unhealthy relationships. There are many good things modeled in the books as well as some bad. I think it may even have been the author's intention to get young women thinking about these things. Whether or not they look past the Twilight mania and think about the deeper issues is up to the individual reader.
@prairieair Thank you! I would like to be involved in youth ministry for young teenage girls. And I also thought the series could actually be a wonderfull teaching tool.
@prairieair I definitely think the Twilight books can be a helpful teaching tool by providing an example of negative relationships, but only if the topic of what makes a relationship (and attitudes towards romance in general) healthy versus unhealthy is explicitly discussed. I would disagree that this was the intent of the author herself, simply because those themes are not drawn out by the books themselves - rather, Edward and Bella's relationship is ultimately painted as desirable.
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Your insights concerning Twilight (and the portrayal of romantic relationships in modern culture in general) are very interesting are very interesting and well stated. What I saw, however was something different--to be continued in the next comment.
Love Love LOVE!!!! You explanation is EXACTLY what I've been trying to tell my 17 yr. old cousin!
I did read the books to fulfill a promise to her, and I did kind of like them as well and could read the entire 756 page Braking dawn in less then a week with a one-and-a-half-year-old clinging onto my heals. They were well written and I did like them..... But even before I read them and only know things that I saw in the trailers, I HATED the whole 'you need a man to live' message.
I personally loved the books until I read Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte. Now my Twilight Collection is catching dust. I don't plan on re-reading them PERIOD. Honestly, the only reason to read this series is to have something to talk about with your 15-yr old girlfriend who feels like you guys have too many awkward silences on the phone. This, Grey's Anatomy and True Blood will ensure those awkward silences will cease to exist. Besides that reason; don't waste your time.
I was about to post some insightful thoughts on this video, but I just forgot it all.
In any case; not all girls are obsessed with guys. I can live my life happily without a guy by my side, thanks, and I'm sure I'm not the only girl who thinks like that. :'D
I LOVE THE BOOKS but unfortunately i have to agree with you it makes you daydream about a PERFECT guy which doesn't exist. like the phrase goes "the truth hurts" =(
A few years ago I dated a guy like Edward Cullen. He didn't stalk me but was otherwise like him. It sucked and I'm happy I haven't been with a guy like that since.
Twilight was well written? What fucking book were YOU readinG?!?!?!?!?! Both the books and the movies are FULL of plot holes, the character's are completely two deminsional, the main character is just a shell for the reader to wear instead of an actual person, all vampire lore is 150% ignored, I could go on forever.
I am interested, however, in the thesis you mentioned in "How Books Get Into Our Brains". I only comment here because you seem to be more active.
A thesis suggests some kind of study, judjing from your age I'd say a college class. I am very, very, interested in all psychologal mechanisms you've mentioned in both videos-so I must ask, could you tell me what you're majoring in, or what you're doing the thesis for? I'm considering career options, planning for the future,&I would find this helpful.
But wait... what am I supposed to do with my vampire-driven, other-worldly, nostalgia-dripping love I have for you? Disney may have corrupted my romantic bearings, but I will still fight off werewolves for you!
Or you could read a book that is fiction and take it as fiction. I hope that those who are insecure enough intellectually to be swayed by twilight do not watch x-men either because there could be some serious consequences to that as well. They could be frightened about wolverine coming after them or that maybe their boyfriend might be a mutant. I do, however, appreciate your view on the skewed world view of relationships. I just wish such an emphasis would not be on fiction but on non-fiction.
But, my argument is that it's harder than it might seem to take fictional stories as fiction. (For my explanation of why I believe this is true, see "How Books Get Into Our Brains," the video I posted as a response to "Twilight: To Read or Not to Read?") Some aspects are easy to discount--the idea that mutants or vampires exist. But others--those that depict something about personal interactions and social relationships--are harder to keep our brains from taking as true. Or so I hold. Thoughts?
@sistersalad I agree that the fictional content that is outrageous, such as mutants and vampires, is ridiculous to compare to human interactions; on levels of intimacy and relations. But personally, I believe that because the whole base of the movie is around this ridiculously extrapolated, fictional plot that the somewhat "nonfictional" content (such as relationships) is negated. I think the "nonfictional" content is lame either way. haha.
I disagree when you said it was 'well-written.' It was very dull, and there was no plot. At least in the first book, not too sure about the rest. (I couldn't stand to finish the series)
But yes, it sends out bad messages. Their "relationship" was also ridiculous to me. They did nothing, and their conversations were filled with edward saying "he's dangerous, stay away" and and of course bella wouldn't have listened.
I have read all four books and have seen that Bella is a very gloomy person who will only be happy if she has her Edward. But that's the only thing that these books focus on. Bella and her need of Edward and her want of jacob. I understand that these things do happen to teens but to express it in such a extreme way that girls will die over someone else Is a bit exasgerating. I do agree that they were very interesting and writen well and hope that she writes more.
I have two books to recommend to you and Invisisis, the first is an oldie but goodie: Howl's Moving Castle by Diana Wynn Jones. The movie is great (I recommend watching that first) but the book is better. Then, The Disreputable History of Frankie Landau-Banks by E. Lockhart, which is a clear high school introduction to sexism and feminism.
I agree whole-heartedly with most of this. The one thing I take issue with is the insistence that Twilight is well written. The characters are shallow, what tiny bit of plot exists in the last 100 pages of the book is half-baked and predictable, and the prose itself is glaringly purple.
I will concede that it can be entertaining (if you don't think about its content too hard) but that doesn't make it well written.
Pretty much my biggest problem with this series, and the reason why the fangirls irk me so much. It's always Edward Cullen or Jacob Black, never anyone or anything else about the series. And I'm glad this video is out here, but I wish I had seen it earlier so that I could make use of it.
I have to disagree about it being well-written and engaging. I've read books much better than this one, hell, I've read fanfiction much better than Twilight.
I just wanted to thank you for making this video! I struggle with thinking that romantic relationships will fill me when they will not. I wish that I had seen your video before I read the Twilight books. But all the same I am glad that I saw it now because your video is good therapy for me in getting over the idea of the fulfillment in romantic relationships.I agree with you on your views. Thank you!
I made this YouTube account with my two sisters, obviously we have totally different opinions. I happen to agree with everything you said about it, I have had so called boyfriends and I really don't need them and I think you have made a really strong point, but on the other hand my sister ADORES everything Twilight, so here's what she has to say: Your just REALLY retarded & don't know wat ur talkin about!!! Twilight is totally AWESOME & if she wants to block out everythingelseexceptEdward shecan
When I was 12 I read this book. I thought it was awesome because I'd never been in a romantic relationship and I didn't read good books. I read the rest of the series and finished it when I was 14 and never touched the books again.
I'm 16 now and I am truly disgusted with the series, I tried to reread Twilight and I just can't because every line is just of Bella gasping over Edward's so-called "beauty".
@TheWhoGirl Well a book doesn't need to make a whole lot of sense to be well written. The plot wasn't illogical from a supernatural oriented standpoint. Vampires are illogical just as myths are illogical. For a book to be "well written", it just has to get from point A to point B,C and D in a way that makes sense in a "inventive" way. When people say Nicolas Sparks is a great writer, it's because he impliments certain real-life aspects to his novels. Two people don't just fall in love after 2hrs
@TheWhoGirl He makes sure that the characters are usually well off or have had relationship experience before the main male and female love interest even meet. It's not like every novel he's written is The Notebook. Real issues, such as long-distance relationships and illnesses are implimented. A well written book just has to be able to resonate with a specific social group particularly well.
I'm not a girl between 8 and 18; I'm 28. I loved the books. BUT you make some very good points. People wonder what it is about vampires that have suddenly made them so desirable. I blame Twilight. I blame the love story in Twilight and because of the small detail that some of the main characters are vampires, that's what launched the popularity of vampires. And because of the success of Twilight, we now have The Vampire Diaries and True Blood. (loveLOVElove TB!) Who knows what'll be next
I didn't think you were bashing at all. I actually have no idea when each series debuted. Although I should have known (if I'd put a lil thought into it) about TB being on the air longer than Twilight (movie) came out.
But I think the Twilight books were pretty popular for a little while before the movie came out, right?
I still blame Twilight. For some reason, I think Twilight launched the popularity of all things vampire. Without Twilight's popularity would these other shows still make it?
well, i know writing vampires has gotten popular, but vamps themselves have usually been able to get popular regardless, such as dracula, hellsing (manga/anime), or buffy.
TB is actually violent, so it's not trying to ride on twilight's coattails. i like vampires, just not idiotic ones that don't have fangs. the books weren't nearly as popular as they are now. i had some friends in high school who were casual fans before the movies. most people hadn't heard of them before then, though.
@sugrc0atdlies Actually, True Blood and The Vampire Diaries were published before Twilight came out. But of you're talking about the series, I totally agree! Personally I prefer the Vampire Diaries (The TV one). Damon is just so sarcastic and evil. :D
Yup, I was speaking strictly of the shows/movies. I just recently realized that the Vampire Diaries had books.
I haven't read or watched the Vampire Diaries. but Damon sounds like my kinda vampire :D
I loved the Sookie Stackhouse books....or SVM, whatever you wanna call them. And I love TB. I like them both for what they are. Some of the changes from the books to the show, I like. some I don't.
Damon is evil. He does things without thinking about consequences, but after 'living' for so long, I guess it's understandable. I actually like Damon more than Stefan. Stefan sounds so... Edward Cullen. Except he doesn't sparkle. And he doesn't go too emo.
I've never read the SVM books, actually I've never really heard of them. (Whoops. Going to the library to dig for it asap.) True Blood sounds interesting, but I never got around to reading or watching it.
you make a very good point, i'm 18 and i gave into twilight. i'm a fan of twilight. haha. but after watching this video, you gave me a new perspective to look at. you're right and i do agree with you. this is what the media does to us.
and if anyone is giving you hell about this video then tehy are stuborn and they need to agree to that; because you are reasonale.
granted, i didnt agree with u at first, but now i do.
and i do feel like i have the same probelms.
but i also think that this book helped me a little.
I mean, i do want an Edward Cullen (and thats a problem, and hopefully ill get over myself) but i think that that book made me aware that Edward will never exist.
I'm a girl in between the ages of 8 and 18, and I have avoided coming in contact with a Twilight book for a while. Luckily, I haven't yet. It sucks having friends that love it, because they keep talking about it. And now I know too much about it. But from what I have seen and heard, many girls at my school that do like it only like the movie, for the so-called "hot guys"(even though I think they're ugly). Some of them don't even read the book! I hate Twilight. They gotta find a better book.
You just described my sister's ex-friend, who couldn't stand to let herself be without a boyfriend for even a single day, even though her boyfriend would abuse her (if a guy ever abuses my sis, I hope I can find the patience not to lynch him with his own intestines.)
Also, true vampires wouldn't be that emotionally attached to humans. They would rip humans apart and guzzle the blood as it pours out of the wounds. They were actually cool. They were actually feared, and rightfully so.
im a 13 year old girl living in england, surrounded by the media, & it pressure, i wouldnt say this video has inpacted my life, but the message behind the video has truely changed me.
I told myself I wouldnt like twilight, I failed. I didnt want to be part of the hype but it is a beautiful engaging sweet story.I got hooked.
I do however agree with your views on the portrayal of romantic relationships. I am in a romantic relationship at the moment not because it validates me but because I honestly and truly care an awful lot for the other person in it I belive love is not a locked on 'I see you now I love you' thing it grows and works and fun is the most important part!
I swore I would never read Twilight. Within the first and half of the second chapters I was only forcing myself to read it because I was soo curious about what was inside. I'm still not done. I've been reading it for two days now. I can't put it down like you said. I have become hopelessly addicted. Just like all my friends. Darn you Stephanie Meyer!
Same here! People call me a hypocrite because I used to be fanatic, bought all the books before finishing the first one, and started to scream about it. Then I read the fourth book. Puked. Read the series again. Then started hitting myself in the head and got nightmares of my memories ever liking twilight.
I'm a guy and I've just read Twilight. I'm not sure how valid my opinion is, considering I'm a GUY, but the book was kinda disturbing for me.
Bella's obsession with Edward was absolutely nuts. Nothing else mattered to her, she didn't care about anybody else, she could barely go through the motions of talking to other people. She didn't try to connect, she didn't make a serious effort at school, she did nothing but think about Edward.
The cool thing about being a male is that we are primarily concerned with getting laid and fortunately for us fellas....no book, or movie, or cartoon, or any other artistic nonsense is ever going to change that.
(I'm not posting this to be crass....just truthful.)
I enjoyed this video. I disagree on one point - I think the book is terribly written and kind of boring - but I agree with your views on instilled and unhealthy romantic expectations. We need some more realistic, relatable protagonists out there; they're actually MORE compelling, at least to me.
Anyway, good video. You're very articulate and fun to listen to :)
I can't completely agree with you. I don't think the book well written or romantic. Bella infatuation with Edward is shallow and not well thought out. I can't care for the other characters, they have no unique personalities and are created out of stereotypes. They have nothing in common and they don't care about anyone but themselves. "True love is blind."
I'm sorry to say this to anyone who are fans of the books. I just don't get the same enjoyment out of it.
I have to say, I really liked this. I had actually recently been feeling like I had an obligation to get a crush on a boy. My friends are all enamored with whoever they are liking and I felt left out. It's nice to know... Well it's just nice to have something to lay the blame on, I guess xD
I agree with most of this but I disagree with one thing:
the writing isn't good it sorta sucks, but it's addicting, unlike the movie, which totally sucks, and well...hate to say this but you do realize that there is no way you can protect anyone, including your sister, from all the books, movies, and songs that portray these issues. Everyone who watches this video: the only thing to do is help each other and everyone we know so that these do not become the driving factors in our lives. Thx.
Thank you for saying everything that I have already or always wanted to say about Twilight. I work with Teenagers and I can already see the confusion that surrounds them because of things like Twilight.
I have gone from needing, pray, DEMANDING validation from my abusive mother, to clinging to my boyfriend of half a year. He is my only happiness right now, at 20. I am having a really hard time in my life, and really need that support both emotionally and physically. My fear is that I will grow to like this support a bit too much, and like all pre-disposed teenagers, yearn for the type of love that is unhealthy, unequal and oppressive to women, and ruin my hopes/dreams for myself to obtain it.
Men aren't out to get us, society isn't wanting to keep us in our 'place'. We do this to ourselves when we actually listen to the mindless conditioning society pressures upon us, and change our life to fit its parameters. Sorry for the spiel, but I thought you might enjoy what others have to say.
and i've also dealt with those same issues in my life, i should say shortish life because i'm only 14 but still, I felt that i would only be important if someone (besides faimly and friends) loved me, somewhat over that but when I read twilgiht it really didn't help me get over those issues so I agree with you on that
The books greatest strength is that it seems to be intelligently designed to appeal to the teen girl (and somewhat boy) audience. As a work of literature it sure doesnt score high marks, but if it gets kids reading good for it. And maybe afterward these kids can find their way to other authors using similar magical themes but whose tone is far more adult and mature, as well as being real literature like Salman Rushdie for example.
Yeah, I am a Twilighter, but I understand what you mean. Bella's world revolves around him, and then when she loses them she just loses her mind. Girl's can be totally happy and have a great life without having a boy attracted to them. Lotsa Love, !Kandi♥Korn!
Agree with you. Only I differ on part that is well written. I do not thing that is a well written book, compared to Hemingway, Joyce, Allan Poe, well... you surely get my point. Anyways, anthing else was well explained and I could not have done it better. =]
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I completely Agree with your statements...dont worry about the people who have a problem with your opinions (the haters) on the Twilight books, sadly their all suffering from a mental disorder known as "necrophilia";) and to all the parental units who green lit this abusive and obssesive relationship for their children; I suggest you re-evaluate your own relationship with your spouse. psychological and emotional abuse should never be encouraged. (and yes i've read every chapter of every book.
NSCGalaxy 1 month ago
the first two minutes made me sub :D you're great :)
MomoHasMuffins 1 month ago
charlieissocoollike reads twilight is brilliant.
I have read twilight (i know people who say they hate it without actually reading it) and i hated it. I have also been in relationships, and i don't find it worthwile, and the end of it is not worth the happiness at the beginning. Why do we read this stuff? b/c imaginary love stories are perfect. Life isn't perfect, and we aren't perfect so why do we expect relationships to be perfect?
katnissblue99 1 month ago
dam you on some pcp or some other shit
HOUSTONTEXASSCREW 3 months ago
that *are, I meant. Sorry!
victoriaisntsosecret 4 months ago
Your eyes are profusely massive...I love them! Completely off the record, as I am a thirteen year old girl and have read the entire "saga" (God, that word is so irrelevant in this situation). I find the writing awfully repetitive in nature, making it uninteresting in the highest caliber. The plot, in my opinion, is just so incredibly dead that it's practically unfathomable in this sense. I dispise the infatuation, sexism, and sexual disorders that is flooded throughout this book.
victoriaisntsosecret 4 months ago
The other day I was in Barnes and Noble with my wife. While I paused to look at what section we were in, she turned and said in a slow, disbelieving, dead-pan voice "New.... Teen.... Supernatural... Romance." Yup, an entire shelf of it followed by several shelves of 'just' Teen Supernatural Romance. *sigh* Apparently, teens did not heed your warning. Of course, I am disappointed that you did not cover the impossible archetype is has created for boys - millions will go dateless now....
dillenbeck53531 4 months ago 2
@dillenbeck53531 Yikes. And you're certainly right that the Twilight novels set up negative expectations for males as well; a topic for another video...
sistersalad 4 months ago
Even through I really like the twilight books, I totaly agree with you. I also strugel with this issue, because I'm 20, and I hadn't any romantic relationship yet, wich makes me feel miserable. So I'm really greatfull, that you made this video. :)
Amarilysz90 4 months ago
I disagree on one aspect. I don't think it was written well at all.
LunaticCity8 5 months ago
I completely understand you. All my life I've been obsessed with the idea of falling in love. I got my first crush on young age of two. I always imagined what it would be like falling in love. I know that the reason for this obsession was that in ALL the movies and shows I've seen as a child showed that girls were always happy once they found "the one." When I actually found "the one," I actually didn't want to do anything else but be w/ him. So, I had to rekindle another dream I had as a girl.
fanime1 5 months ago
Hermione taught me that even when the love of your life is away, you can still fight and be brave and in her case, continue to find information leading to the downfall of a dark lord.
Bella taught me that girls are nothing without a man and should curl up in a ball and jump off a cliff if he's away
dreaminsleepin 5 months ago 11
GIRL this book is not romance, f*ck it's not even love to start with. It's nothing but porn. Underage porn between a 107 yr old man with a 17 yr old teen girl who act like an old lady. wow... just wow...
sacrosanctSUn 7 months ago 2
Stephen King's review to Twilight & HP:
"They are similar because they are both speaking to young people, but the difference is J.K. Rowling is a terrific author while Stephenie Meyer can't write worth a darn." FROM THE MAN HIMSELF!
MysticalCreatureLove 7 months ago 2
I'm a twilighter, and I don't hate you after watching this;) Acctually I wanna thank you. You helpped me a lot with this vido, so thanks. You have a Great Point, thank uoy for that opinion.But, I sill love Twilight and nothing will make me change my mind...ever! As you said it is a great book with amazing story.
SummerRose1901 10 months ago
The results of reading Twilight depends on the individual. I myself love the Twilight series but only because I enjoy reading about crazy fantasy stories & I do so to escaped from reality. I know it's not realistic & it messes with the traditional mythology of vampires and werewolves and I am fully aware that the basis of Edward and Bella's relationship is not healthy. Though, unfortunately, the impressionable teenage mind cannot not differentiate from what is realistic & what is glamorized.
idlekind 11 months ago
I understand your point of view , but that is why I disagree with you. I believe that all girls crave that sweep you off your feet romance. Since romantic tales have been around for a long time: it has probably been an on going thing. Most of us have come to the realization that this is an invalid expectation, and therefore live vicariously through tales of said splendor. I do agree that it is dangerous to mix fantasy with reality. As long as a reader takes the story as a great vacation.
piratejayne 11 months ago
@piratejayne I don't know - I think if you look at literature throughout history and world culture, you'll see that our current understanding of romance has not been a constant of human culture. Marriage was, for a long time in many cultures, largely considered a property acquisition.
sistersalad 4 months ago
Well written? How can you say that?
badcompanyization 11 months ago
Unfortunately, I disagree; this was not well-written. It was mind-candy, plain and simple. Also, I for one do not want to go out looking for a sparkly, fang-less man to stalk me. By recognizing not only that it is fiction but also that this type of man is ultimately frighteningly domineering and obsessive, I think I'll be safe.
enginesummer99 11 months ago
Interesting point, but I disagree recommending that people not read it. It's just candy. Candy cannot nourish, but it does enhance. It has its place. No one over five would expect to thrive on candy alone, but to not enjoy it at all is denying oneself of one of life's little pleasures. Teaching our youth the difference between the two, & how to make the most of each, would be a decent step towards quelling any lasting, unrealistic notions of relationships, or anything else for that matter.
SeekerKC 1 year ago
@SeekerKC I guess my point here is that it's not just that the book fails to nourish - I contend that it actually does harm. And maybe it is like candy in that it doesn't necessarily harm as long as you consume it in very small doses, but the problem is that we are bathing in sugar (in terms of these unhealthy attitudes towards romance totally pervading our culture in movies, magazines, and music) and already in serious danger of overdose, and this is a particularly sucrose-laden morsel.
sistersalad 4 months ago
I like how you hit dead on about the romantic relationship story being popular but is such a hurtful lie in the world. It is the reason why I dislike Twilight and chic-flicks
andrielisilien 1 year ago
I think some one is doing the dishes in the background. ahhaa :)
Good Video.
allen4523 1 year ago
I had a writing teacher who once said, "Twilight is half-baked. The concept of vampires + humans interacting is brilliant, but Stephanie Meyer's execution of it is awful." I couldn't agree more.
spongipookinz 1 year ago
I'm a huge twilight fan, but I totaly agre with you. I'm 19, almost twenty, and I'm totaly sad and deppresed, that I don't have a boyfirend. I feel exactly the way, you described in the video. But I still love the books.
Amarilysz90 1 year ago
romance is only one aspect of life.. i think that bella is so obsessed with edward because she is fragile and has no sense of self.. the author creates not even a slight personality for either bella or edward and there is no dispcription for why they love each other.. i find this very stale and unnatural... two "people" devoid of personality who don't seem to love each other so much as be obsessed with each other due to their lack of personality.. and i don't think the author has a very goodstyl
1426808 1 year ago
I saw this for the first time a while ago, but I keep coming back to it (and "How Books Get into Our Brains") for various reasons. Right now? All my friends are getting married, and I'm feeling all sad and left out.
I have decided that sometime soon maybe I should go on a spree of reading Victorian literature, where people who fall in love die. It might help.
dolphincheddar 1 year ago
@dolphincheddar Ha! Victorian lit as a Twilight antidote - hilarious!
sistersalad 4 months ago
i agree with your point to some extent, however the message you're implying is that we should not allow ourselves to be exposed to romance at all if it's not realistic or practical. and in media and literature that's a needle in about four million haystacks.
morglyt3 1 year ago
@morglyt3 Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say we should only read things that are realistic or practical; I'm just saying we should avoid things that are pointedly harmful. That is still a "needle-in-a-haystack" prospect, but I think a worthwhile one.
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amalsee 1 year ago
The beginning of this was a riot. I just don't agree that that Twilight was well WRITTEN. It certainly did have me finishing it all the way through.
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mihiribrayan 1 year ago
I have never read the books, but i understand what you're saying. plus i like anything that makes fun of Twilight.
JaxsonXV 1 year ago
You're 23? I'd've guessed 19. (That's neither compliment nor criticism) They never admit it but teenage boys and lots of older men also feel they're nothing unless they feel every woman theirs if they accept her, maybe boys even more than girls. Edward's predecessor may be James Bond. Sadly, it often stays at that superficial level.
Saiaton 1 year ago
Agree totally that relationship is the only thing that validates life. But not 'girly' (but egomaniac) sigh wistfully so all the boys run after me stuff - and not only for girls. Read Jane Austen, 200 years ago, her heroines are less dependent drips than many today. Emily Bronte started that - Heathcliffe is an abused abuser, we can feel sorry for him but he's still a swine.
Relationship: best of friends, you work, talk, imagine, build life & family as equal partners not worshiper & god/dess
Saiaton 1 year ago
I'm a die-hard Twilight fan, but no I don't hate you ;P
Actually I completly agree with you!
Bloempje94 1 year ago
ARE NOT I WONT LET THEM (but i do love twilight)
penguinprotector2 1 year ago
this video is great. Bc i too think this way that all movies and books are pushed towards the ideal that true happiness is found through a boy. and side note twilight is like stalker guide 2 how to not be a boyfriend. he's possessive and controlling he has a short temper and wants to know everything about her.that is a red alert to avoid at all cost. so crazy how they romanticized that. girls will want to find someone like that bc they think that is how a good boyfriend should act & treat gf.
bambabi15 1 year ago
Its not just entertainment, its society as a whole. I would also argue that entertainment didnt influence society as much as society influenced entertainment. To think that you feel this way because of your exposure to hollywood would seem flawed, you feel this way because its who you are, and as a result certain books/movies will effect you differently that others. Your families ideals and your own experiences made you, it wasnt caused by Romeo and Juliet.
Culture261 1 year ago
@Culture261 I would definitely say there's a feedback relationship between entertainment and the rest of society, but I wouldn't agree that entertainment has no impact in the way we understand the world. You're right that my feelings about romantic relationships are shaped not just by fiction but also by the world around me. However, especially as someone who spent quite possibly a majority of her waking childhood reading books, I don't think it's a stretch to say they impacted me somehow.
sistersalad 4 months ago
My problem with twilight is the fans. They cant see reason. They wont listen to my argument on how they 'love' each other because edward is written as supermegafoxyawesomehot and basically a superhero and bella loves him, while edward loves her because...she smells good?
like I said before, the fangirls are insufferable. Some of them can take other opinions, but most just scream about how sexy taylor lautner is.
LexiTheShortOne 1 year ago 2
@LexiTheShortOne Whats your point? Are you saying that real life relationships dont start with shallow, trivial, and unsignificant reasons? People in real life sometimes get married the day of meeting, do you think thats because of their deep mutual respect of each others worldy views?
Culture261 1 year ago
@Culture261 Are you talking about arranged marriages? Or are you saying there are other circumstances were people decide to get married the day they meet each other?
sistersalad 4 months ago
The only thing I think you really missed out on (besides the fact that I totally disagree on the "well-written" aspect) is that it perpetuates the ideal of a relationship in which women are totally helpless, to the point that Edward teeters on the edge of being abusive at several points.
Not only should we not encourage young women to consider a romantic relationship as their only means of validation, contentment, and self-worth, we DEFINITELY shouldn't be encouraging that kind of relationship.
smrockyriver 1 year ago 2
@smrockyriver You are 100% right, we should not encourage females to date vampires. I checked the stats on this and its down to 0%!! The movement has been a success!! Now we have to move our efforts to try to at least put a dent in parents sending their children off to hogwarts. Its an incredibly dangerous school for anyone, expecially first years!
Culture261 1 year ago
@Culture261 Though we *have* managed to severely reduce the number of women dating vampires, I have to say that the phenomenon of women dating domineering abusers has not yet been abolished.
sistersalad 4 months ago
@sistersalad Agreed, thankfully this book isnt about that.
Culture261 4 months ago
Wow. I really think you hit the nail on the head with this one. I used to be really confused about why no guy wanted to date me in high school and I ended up feeling very inadequate. Thank you for putting this video out there. It was all very well said and I agree with everything you talked about. (Except for the parts where you said it was well written... :/ )
LoveIsASymphony 1 year ago
win. this is a very insightful response to the Twilight craze. thanks for the thoughtful analysis.
semigrenzy 1 year ago
...Awesome.
KillJoy521 1 year ago
Excellent analysis, eloquently given.
silkenleather 1 year ago
thanks so much for posting this!
Hollyslide 1 year ago
Totally true
Hollyslide 1 year ago
The first time I read Twilight, I thought the Cullens were albinos... ahaha.
Susie369 1 year ago
Well written!?!?! Have you seen Alex Day reads twilight? She is a complete shit writer.
magmaesteele 1 year ago 10
@magmaesteele haha true say i love those videos:):):)
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YoungeWriter 1 year ago
Wow! That was an amazingly thoughtfull and well articulated analysis.
I want to add, its not just the media influences. Every girl has a desire to be adored, its a deep, fundamental desire. What would be helpfull if every dad loved his daughter and told her she's amazing, and beautifull and wortwhile. I think that and validation from her brothers and friends would also help mitigate media influence.
But overall. Excellent video!
pienkunicorn 1 year ago
@pienkunicorn I guess I'm not sure how you can separate out deep cultural influences from fundamental desires which we would have had no matter how culture shaped us. Unless you're basing this on the book "Captivating" or one like it, and that is a subject for a whole nother video...
sistersalad 4 months ago
This is amazing. Thank you SO much for posting this video. I'm going to send it to all my friends who are completely obsessed with this book. I've had difficulty articulating why exactly I have so many issues with this book, but you've done it beautifully.
southerncharma 1 year ago
I really like this video, I agree with the points you're making about how the unrealistic portrayals of romantic relationships. It can seriously affect someone as old as the Twilight books are being targeted at, and can make them think that they are not worth while as a person if they don't have a relationship as 'perfect' as that. I jut don't think these books set a very good example of life for people who read them.
EllieandEleanor 1 year ago
I like your thoughts, except,- This book will cause you to want a romance like twilight. if your talking about an older age group, doesn't everyone want a sweet, sensitive guy that will love them more then life. Then if your talking about the younger age group, then yeah, it will make them want to go out and find a love like that, but it won't be a lasting phase, people are constantly being affected and they will eventually get into something new that the media is forcing down their throats.
bam1xox 1 year ago
i completley agree ....and i love twilight ... it is definatley un realisticly portraid .... sorry cant spell
TheMillyBat 1 year ago
I tried to give it a chance, I really did. Eventually the poor writing made me want to take a red pen and edit every single bit of Purple Prose, plot holes, and violations of the Show, Don't Tell rule. Did Meyer even use an editor?
SeriNura 1 year ago
@SeriNura probably not, she probably just found some down publishing company to have her publish her shallow books
seabreezez 1 year ago
My problem is the reverse, the expectations put on men through romantic novels.
rush68 1 year ago
I read (and enjoyed) the series after my teenage daughters started reading it. To me it seemed like a great tool to open up a dialog about aspects of healthy and unhealthy relationships. There are many good things modeled in the books as well as some bad. I think it may even have been the author's intention to get young women thinking about these things. Whether or not they look past the Twilight mania and think about the deeper issues is up to the individual reader.
prairieair 1 year ago
@prairieair Thank you! I would like to be involved in youth ministry for young teenage girls. And I also thought the series could actually be a wonderfull teaching tool.
pienkunicorn 1 year ago
@prairieair I definitely think the Twilight books can be a helpful teaching tool by providing an example of negative relationships, but only if the topic of what makes a relationship (and attitudes towards romance in general) healthy versus unhealthy is explicitly discussed. I would disagree that this was the intent of the author herself, simply because those themes are not drawn out by the books themselves - rather, Edward and Bella's relationship is ultimately painted as desirable.
sistersalad 4 months ago
I just stumbled across this vlog while looking for videos about Central Asia Institute, and, although it looks like you've had a bit too much caffeine;o), I've enjoyed both the videos I've watched so much I'm going to subscribe.
Your insights concerning Twilight (and the portrayal of romantic relationships in modern culture in general) are very interesting are very interesting and well stated. What I saw, however was something different--to be continued in the next comment.
prairieair 1 year ago
thats bulshits every with mind enough will know thats just a story
akulche 1 year ago
Love Love LOVE!!!! You explanation is EXACTLY what I've been trying to tell my 17 yr. old cousin!
I did read the books to fulfill a promise to her, and I did kind of like them as well and could read the entire 756 page Braking dawn in less then a week with a one-and-a-half-year-old clinging onto my heals. They were well written and I did like them..... But even before I read them and only know things that I saw in the trailers, I HATED the whole 'you need a man to live' message.
THANK YOU!!
CelticLibra 1 year ago
I personally loved the books until I read Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte. Now my Twilight Collection is catching dust. I don't plan on re-reading them PERIOD. Honestly, the only reason to read this series is to have something to talk about with your 15-yr old girlfriend who feels like you guys have too many awkward silences on the phone. This, Grey's Anatomy and True Blood will ensure those awkward silences will cease to exist. Besides that reason; don't waste your time.
coldkilla30 1 year ago
I totally agree with you, but two things;
1: why sisters?
2: when this video wouldn't load, I looked away, and when I turned back, you scared the crap out of me.
phoenixhart17 1 year ago 5
@phoenixhart17
1. This video is part of a vlog project between three sisters.
2. Sorry about that!
sistersalad 1 year ago
This is so dead on, your 100% right. Great video!
AshleyLynnD 1 year ago 13
@AshleyLynnD Thanks!
sistersalad 1 year ago
Maybe true love is the key to true happieness *Sparkle sparkle*
ya right lol, screw mother nature for making our reproductive nature so dominant.
ANGELxINxDESARKNS 1 year ago
I was about to post some insightful thoughts on this video, but I just forgot it all.
In any case; not all girls are obsessed with guys. I can live my life happily without a guy by my side, thanks, and I'm sure I'm not the only girl who thinks like that. :'D
EtheralXStealth 1 year ago
I LOVE THE BOOKS but unfortunately i have to agree with you it makes you daydream about a PERFECT guy which doesn't exist. like the phrase goes "the truth hurts" =(
mythologyqueen 1 year ago
A few years ago I dated a guy like Edward Cullen. He didn't stalk me but was otherwise like him. It sucked and I'm happy I haven't been with a guy like that since.
theRevenent 1 year ago
Twilight was well written? What fucking book were YOU readinG?!?!?!?!?! Both the books and the movies are FULL of plot holes, the character's are completely two deminsional, the main character is just a shell for the reader to wear instead of an actual person, all vampire lore is 150% ignored, I could go on forever.
TomDarkwulf 1 year ago
Twilight New Moon was remarkable ! I have seen this movie the first time at twilight-now , com
CassidyTDavis 1 year ago
I am interested, however, in the thesis you mentioned in "How Books Get Into Our Brains". I only comment here because you seem to be more active.
A thesis suggests some kind of study, judjing from your age I'd say a college class. I am very, very, interested in all psychologal mechanisms you've mentioned in both videos-so I must ask, could you tell me what you're majoring in, or what you're doing the thesis for? I'm considering career options, planning for the future,&I would find this helpful.
smaterie 1 year ago
But wait... what am I supposed to do with my vampire-driven, other-worldly, nostalgia-dripping love I have for you? Disney may have corrupted my romantic bearings, but I will still fight off werewolves for you!
gladisknightszz 1 year ago
Or you could read a book that is fiction and take it as fiction. I hope that those who are insecure enough intellectually to be swayed by twilight do not watch x-men either because there could be some serious consequences to that as well. They could be frightened about wolverine coming after them or that maybe their boyfriend might be a mutant. I do, however, appreciate your view on the skewed world view of relationships. I just wish such an emphasis would not be on fiction but on non-fiction.
Nerded1234 1 year ago
But, my argument is that it's harder than it might seem to take fictional stories as fiction. (For my explanation of why I believe this is true, see "How Books Get Into Our Brains," the video I posted as a response to "Twilight: To Read or Not to Read?") Some aspects are easy to discount--the idea that mutants or vampires exist. But others--those that depict something about personal interactions and social relationships--are harder to keep our brains from taking as true. Or so I hold. Thoughts?
sistersalad 1 year ago
@sistersalad I agree that the fictional content that is outrageous, such as mutants and vampires, is ridiculous to compare to human interactions; on levels of intimacy and relations. But personally, I believe that because the whole base of the movie is around this ridiculously extrapolated, fictional plot that the somewhat "nonfictional" content (such as relationships) is negated. I think the "nonfictional" content is lame either way. haha.
I appreciate your reply and your thoughts.
Nerded1234 1 year ago
"Well written" is not the way I'd describe Twilight.
IdaRuda 2 years ago 5
i seriously hope you're joking about it being well-written and engaging. i do however praise you for pointing the other things about it.
Casandraelf 2 years ago 15
Well, this is the kind of thing you get with subliminal Mormon propoganda.
SonofMrPeanut 2 years ago
I disagree when you said it was 'well-written.' It was very dull, and there was no plot. At least in the first book, not too sure about the rest. (I couldn't stand to finish the series)
But yes, it sends out bad messages. Their "relationship" was also ridiculous to me. They did nothing, and their conversations were filled with edward saying "he's dangerous, stay away" and and of course bella wouldn't have listened.
Meyer is a tree killer (wasting paper)
this book is an embarrassment to me =P
snuffles7571212 2 years ago 3
this sounds very funny,
but you are so extremely well spoken and smart,
it makes me feel a bit smarter just by listening to you. (:
raykaielle 2 years ago 2
I have read all four books and have seen that Bella is a very gloomy person who will only be happy if she has her Edward. But that's the only thing that these books focus on. Bella and her need of Edward and her want of jacob. I understand that these things do happen to teens but to express it in such a extreme way that girls will die over someone else Is a bit exasgerating. I do agree that they were very interesting and writen well and hope that she writes more.
twilightsaga99 2 years ago 2
Dear Lizz,
I have two books to recommend to you and Invisisis, the first is an oldie but goodie: Howl's Moving Castle by Diana Wynn Jones. The movie is great (I recommend watching that first) but the book is better. Then, The Disreputable History of Frankie Landau-Banks by E. Lockhart, which is a clear high school introduction to sexism and feminism.
Aubrazilla 2 years ago
@Aubrazilla The Disreputable History of Frankie Lanadau-Banks was quite good. :)
childoftheking568 2 years ago
Thanks!! Those look great; I am adding them to my list.
--Lizz
sistersalad 1 year ago
I agree whole-heartedly with most of this. The one thing I take issue with is the insistence that Twilight is well written. The characters are shallow, what tiny bit of plot exists in the last 100 pages of the book is half-baked and predictable, and the prose itself is glaringly purple.
I will concede that it can be entertaining (if you don't think about its content too hard) but that doesn't make it well written.
SasWriter333 2 years ago 6
Pretty much my biggest problem with this series, and the reason why the fangirls irk me so much. It's always Edward Cullen or Jacob Black, never anyone or anything else about the series. And I'm glad this video is out here, but I wish I had seen it earlier so that I could make use of it.
I have to disagree about it being well-written and engaging. I've read books much better than this one, hell, I've read fanfiction much better than Twilight.
inu671 2 years ago 4
This wins.
mary11artist 2 years ago
I just wanted to thank you for making this video! I struggle with thinking that romantic relationships will fill me when they will not. I wish that I had seen your video before I read the Twilight books. But all the same I am glad that I saw it now because your video is good therapy for me in getting over the idea of the fulfillment in romantic relationships.I agree with you on your views. Thank you!
littlebylittle2 2 years ago 6
Thanks! This means a lot to me, and I'm glad the video has been helpful to you.
sistersalad 1 year ago
@littlebylittle2 @ sistersalad
Same here. :3
jinxd009 1 year ago
i agree with you. but one of the reasons i hate twilight was something you said it was that it wasn't.
it was not well written.
that and, the author is a self-righteous twit.
all in all, this is a good vid. :D
Mollysama 2 years ago 2
@Mollysama I agree.
renkurasaki 2 years ago
I think the book is not well written, but to each their own I guess.
fanaticofu2be 2 years ago 2
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fanaticofu2be 2 years ago
I made this YouTube account with my two sisters, obviously we have totally different opinions. I happen to agree with everything you said about it, I have had so called boyfriends and I really don't need them and I think you have made a really strong point, but on the other hand my sister ADORES everything Twilight, so here's what she has to say: Your just REALLY retarded & don't know wat ur talkin about!!! Twilight is totally AWESOME & if she wants to block out everythingelseexceptEdward shecan
REMINATORZ 2 years ago
When I was 12 I read this book. I thought it was awesome because I'd never been in a romantic relationship and I didn't read good books. I read the rest of the series and finished it when I was 14 and never touched the books again.
I'm 16 now and I am truly disgusted with the series, I tried to reread Twilight and I just can't because every line is just of Bella gasping over Edward's so-called "beauty".
It was nice to hear your opinion.~
Serelie 2 years ago 4
Well written? I don't think so!
Flat charakters, absolutely illogical plot... that's not what I call well-written. xD
TheWhoGirl 2 years ago 65
@TheWhoGirl Well a book doesn't need to make a whole lot of sense to be well written. The plot wasn't illogical from a supernatural oriented standpoint. Vampires are illogical just as myths are illogical. For a book to be "well written", it just has to get from point A to point B,C and D in a way that makes sense in a "inventive" way. When people say Nicolas Sparks is a great writer, it's because he impliments certain real-life aspects to his novels. Two people don't just fall in love after 2hrs
coldkilla30 1 year ago
@TheWhoGirl He makes sure that the characters are usually well off or have had relationship experience before the main male and female love interest even meet. It's not like every novel he's written is The Notebook. Real issues, such as long-distance relationships and illnesses are implimented. A well written book just has to be able to resonate with a specific social group particularly well.
coldkilla30 1 year ago
I know a reason not to read it. Every character sucks. And Vampires don't sparkle.
EmilingUp 2 years ago 41
@EmilingUp Not every character sucks, Leah is a well rounded character who at least seems real but that's why she's given a back role.
lightinglavender 1 year ago
@lightinglavender that is so true. stupid S Meyer, she had to ruin Jacob with Nessie. Excuse me I have to go barf now
seabreezez 1 year ago
@EmilingUp That's actually two reasons.
Loriixoxo 11 months ago
I'm not a girl between 8 and 18; I'm 28. I loved the books. BUT you make some very good points. People wonder what it is about vampires that have suddenly made them so desirable. I blame Twilight. I blame the love story in Twilight and because of the small detail that some of the main characters are vampires, that's what launched the popularity of vampires. And because of the success of Twilight, we now have The Vampire Diaries and True Blood. (loveLOVElove TB!) Who knows what'll be next
sugrc0atdlies 2 years ago
vampire diaries and true blood are based on books older than the twilight series.
and true blood was on before twilight had movies.
i'm not bashing, i'm just saying since my friend (lover of all things vampire) keeps poking me in the arm.
Mollysama 2 years ago
I didn't think you were bashing at all. I actually have no idea when each series debuted. Although I should have known (if I'd put a lil thought into it) about TB being on the air longer than Twilight (movie) came out.
But I think the Twilight books were pretty popular for a little while before the movie came out, right?
I still blame Twilight. For some reason, I think Twilight launched the popularity of all things vampire. Without Twilight's popularity would these other shows still make it?
sugrc0atdlies 2 years ago
well, i know writing vampires has gotten popular, but vamps themselves have usually been able to get popular regardless, such as dracula, hellsing (manga/anime), or buffy.
TB is actually violent, so it's not trying to ride on twilight's coattails. i like vampires, just not idiotic ones that don't have fangs. the books weren't nearly as popular as they are now. i had some friends in high school who were casual fans before the movies. most people hadn't heard of them before then, though.
Mollysama 2 years ago
@sugrc0atdlies Actually, True Blood and The Vampire Diaries were published before Twilight came out. But of you're talking about the series, I totally agree! Personally I prefer the Vampire Diaries (The TV one). Damon is just so sarcastic and evil. :D
Promgal 2 years ago
Yup, I was speaking strictly of the shows/movies. I just recently realized that the Vampire Diaries had books.
I haven't read or watched the Vampire Diaries. but Damon sounds like my kinda vampire :D
I loved the Sookie Stackhouse books....or SVM, whatever you wanna call them. And I love TB. I like them both for what they are. Some of the changes from the books to the show, I like. some I don't.
sugrc0atdlies 2 years ago
Damon is evil. He does things without thinking about consequences, but after 'living' for so long, I guess it's understandable. I actually like Damon more than Stefan. Stefan sounds so... Edward Cullen. Except he doesn't sparkle. And he doesn't go too emo.
I've never read the SVM books, actually I've never really heard of them. (Whoops. Going to the library to dig for it asap.) True Blood sounds interesting, but I never got around to reading or watching it.
Promgal 2 years ago
you make a very good point, i'm 18 and i gave into twilight. i'm a fan of twilight. haha. but after watching this video, you gave me a new perspective to look at. you're right and i do agree with you. this is what the media does to us.
xreachforthestarsx 2 years ago
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poison682 2 years ago
ok, well first of i agree with you.
and if anyone is giving you hell about this video then tehy are stuborn and they need to agree to that; because you are reasonale.
granted, i didnt agree with u at first, but now i do.
and i do feel like i have the same probelms.
but i also think that this book helped me a little.
I mean, i do want an Edward Cullen (and thats a problem, and hopefully ill get over myself) but i think that that book made me aware that Edward will never exist.
poison682 2 years ago
I'm a girl in between the ages of 8 and 18, and I have avoided coming in contact with a Twilight book for a while. Luckily, I haven't yet. It sucks having friends that love it, because they keep talking about it. And now I know too much about it. But from what I have seen and heard, many girls at my school that do like it only like the movie, for the so-called "hot guys"(even though I think they're ugly). Some of them don't even read the book! I hate Twilight. They gotta find a better book.
JoshGrobanIsMyLove 2 years ago
I love this women. Thanks for saying everythign I'm thinking as I read this drvel but I don't think it is well written.
Smileylennard 2 years ago 2
>>2:10
You just described my sister's ex-friend, who couldn't stand to let herself be without a boyfriend for even a single day, even though her boyfriend would abuse her (if a guy ever abuses my sis, I hope I can find the patience not to lynch him with his own intestines.)
Also, true vampires wouldn't be that emotionally attached to humans. They would rip humans apart and guzzle the blood as it pours out of the wounds. They were actually cool. They were actually feared, and rightfully so.
thegameulost 2 years ago 2
I have a better reason not to read it. Vampires don't sparkle in the sun. Homos sparkle in the sun.
thegameulost 2 years ago
your being too logical...
zipper588 2 years ago
i love the book so yeah i dont care what you say..........they are good books so what if you dont like them!!!! DONT READ THEM.....DUH
randomanimefan12 2 years ago
I have never thought of it that way, but now I do think about it and I agree.
The media is putting out some bad bad messages ):
brainbash1 2 years ago
im a 13 year old girl living in england, surrounded by the media, & it pressure, i wouldnt say this video has inpacted my life, but the message behind the video has truely changed me.
EnglishhRosee 2 years ago 3
I told myself I wouldnt like twilight, I failed. I didnt want to be part of the hype but it is a beautiful engaging sweet story.I got hooked.
I do however agree with your views on the portrayal of romantic relationships. I am in a romantic relationship at the moment not because it validates me but because I honestly and truly care an awful lot for the other person in it I belive love is not a locked on 'I see you now I love you' thing it grows and works and fun is the most important part!
angryenglishgirl 2 years ago
Alright...Im going to say that the first part was funny and yes I am going to kill u!
Dollargirl11 2 years ago
I swore I would never read Twilight. Within the first and half of the second chapters I was only forcing myself to read it because I was soo curious about what was inside. I'm still not done. I've been reading it for two days now. I can't put it down like you said. I have become hopelessly addicted. Just like all my friends. Darn you Stephanie Meyer!
LoveLoveLove,
Kaitey
Kaiteyful 2 years ago
I used to like the book when I first read it but thinking it over... It sucks!
Bella's obsession, Edward who keeps telling her that she should not stay with him but he doesn't even take his own advice.
I hid the books, and now I can't find it. Thank God.
750055able 2 years ago 2
Same here! People call me a hypocrite because I used to be fanatic, bought all the books before finishing the first one, and started to scream about it. Then I read the fourth book. Puked. Read the series again. Then started hitting myself in the head and got nightmares of my memories ever liking twilight.
mithrakrishnan1 2 years ago 2
same
Smileylennard 2 years ago
I'm a guy and I've just read Twilight. I'm not sure how valid my opinion is, considering I'm a GUY, but the book was kinda disturbing for me.
Bella's obsession with Edward was absolutely nuts. Nothing else mattered to her, she didn't care about anybody else, she could barely go through the motions of talking to other people. She didn't try to connect, she didn't make a serious effort at school, she did nothing but think about Edward.
How can that possibly be a healthy message?
Alpha1Bravo1Charlie1 2 years ago
The cool thing about being a male is that we are primarily concerned with getting laid and fortunately for us fellas....no book, or movie, or cartoon, or any other artistic nonsense is ever going to change that.
(I'm not posting this to be crass....just truthful.)
Guys rock!...so does Sister Salad.
ktblue2bass 2 years ago
I don't think the book was well written, or badly written. It was pretty mediocre when it came to that.
Honestly, I agree with your main statement about Twilight creating unrealistic romantic relationships and whatnot. It's just a bunch of hoopla. lol
One thing I have to point out though (and this is a little off topic) is that Bella is a Mary Sue. She is one of the worst I've ever seen.
Scuttlebutt89 2 years ago
i like the book but im not like "omg twilight,edward cullen"
iXxwriteXXlyrcis 2 years ago
I enjoyed this video. I disagree on one point - I think the book is terribly written and kind of boring - but I agree with your views on instilled and unhealthy romantic expectations. We need some more realistic, relatable protagonists out there; they're actually MORE compelling, at least to me.
Anyway, good video. You're very articulate and fun to listen to :)
faerieladyfair 2 years ago
To late i already read it ! Though I LOVED IT !
cavetalker 2 years ago
Man, Twilight is not well written!
IShitIce 2 years ago
i agree and i dont disagree with any part twilight sucks peroid
doc105 2 years ago
your gay
HOLLYWOODSMIKEDUP 2 years ago
I can't completely agree with you. I don't think the book well written or romantic. Bella infatuation with Edward is shallow and not well thought out. I can't care for the other characters, they have no unique personalities and are created out of stereotypes. They have nothing in common and they don't care about anyone but themselves. "True love is blind."
I'm sorry to say this to anyone who are fans of the books. I just don't get the same enjoyment out of it.
VampTramp123 2 years ago
finally someone who agrees and shares the same view points!
one word to just sum up almost everything she said:
brainwash
debbydetermined 2 years ago
I have to say, I really liked this. I had actually recently been feeling like I had an obligation to get a crush on a boy. My friends are all enamored with whoever they are liking and I felt left out. It's nice to know... Well it's just nice to have something to lay the blame on, I guess xD
fishchimes 2 years ago
I agree with most of this but I disagree with one thing:
the writing isn't good it sorta sucks, but it's addicting, unlike the movie, which totally sucks, and well...hate to say this but you do realize that there is no way you can protect anyone, including your sister, from all the books, movies, and songs that portray these issues. Everyone who watches this video: the only thing to do is help each other and everyone we know so that these do not become the driving factors in our lives. Thx.
KiKiStarling 2 years ago 3
this is exactly what i was thinking!!!
jumping4nocause 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I hate you I love Twilight how could no one like Twilight? And I Love vampires. So I think people should freaking read it!
Wildclaw64 2 years ago
not to read.
mitchkrammeriscute 2 years ago
Thank you for saying everything that I have already or always wanted to say about Twilight. I work with Teenagers and I can already see the confusion that surrounds them because of things like Twilight.
bravosection 2 years ago
Totally agree. Well phrased and set up!!!!
I have this, like pretty much everyone, this need of validation. It is, as I said, an affliction everyone has to go through.
bbrabant 2 years ago
I have gone from needing, pray, DEMANDING validation from my abusive mother, to clinging to my boyfriend of half a year. He is my only happiness right now, at 20. I am having a really hard time in my life, and really need that support both emotionally and physically. My fear is that I will grow to like this support a bit too much, and like all pre-disposed teenagers, yearn for the type of love that is unhealthy, unequal and oppressive to women, and ruin my hopes/dreams for myself to obtain it.
bbrabant 2 years ago
Men aren't out to get us, society isn't wanting to keep us in our 'place'. We do this to ourselves when we actually listen to the mindless conditioning society pressures upon us, and change our life to fit its parameters. Sorry for the spiel, but I thought you might enjoy what others have to say.
bbrabant 2 years ago
wow I never really looked at it that way but know that i've heard that point I totally agree. Great points liz, they really opened my eyes.
freakybrowneyes7 2 years ago 3
and i've also dealt with those same issues in my life, i should say shortish life because i'm only 14 but still, I felt that i would only be important if someone (besides faimly and friends) loved me, somewhat over that but when I read twilgiht it really didn't help me get over those issues so I agree with you on that
freakybrowneyes7 2 years ago
The books greatest strength is that it seems to be intelligently designed to appeal to the teen girl (and somewhat boy) audience. As a work of literature it sure doesnt score high marks, but if it gets kids reading good for it. And maybe afterward these kids can find their way to other authors using similar magical themes but whose tone is far more adult and mature, as well as being real literature like Salman Rushdie for example.
darkroommonster 2 years ago
great point! I mean, I love Twilight, but I totally agree with what you're saying :]
MohamadMohamadTNT 2 years ago
Well said. Thought provoking and a very valid argument. Good thing I am only 8 and do not like boys yet.
frankkylou 2 years ago
Yeah, I am a Twilighter, but I understand what you mean. Bella's world revolves around him, and then when she loses them she just loses her mind. Girl's can be totally happy and have a great life without having a boy attracted to them. Lotsa Love, !Kandi♥Korn!
demiroxmysox0898 2 years ago 2
Agree with you. Only I differ on part that is well written. I do not thing that is a well written book, compared to Hemingway, Joyce, Allan Poe, well... you surely get my point. Anyways, anthing else was well explained and I could not have done it better. =]
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BadnessTiger18 2 years ago
I know, see in twilight its as if he is like the most important thing EVER!I mean Jesus Christ shes only 17
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