@221Verona And poor Bertha, too, confined through no fault of her own, in a time where there was little that medicine could do for the poor creature.- a 4-way tragedy. The brother did the right thing, legally, and Jane was too honourable to marry bigamously- too honest to enter into a deceitful marriage, had she known that Bertha lived. Terrible situation..
@coralarch I didn't see it before, but now i agree, poor Bertha. However, although her brother was doing the right thing, as you said, legally i can't help but think he's, in a way, abandoning Bertha and pushing her away into the unsuspecting hands of Rochester; but then if he didn't Bertha would have probably ended up in an asylum like her mother:/ So, he was sort of doing the right thing and must have really trusted Rochester to look after Bertha well. But yes, it is a terrible situation :/
@221Verona Yes, the brother was right- he saved Jane from bigamy and in those times, that was regarded as a serious crime against society and God. However- he didn't tell Rochester about the family history of insanity- which was wrong- but as you say, he may have kept quiet knowing that Rochester wouldn't abandon her once they were married. I don't blame Rochester for wanting a share of happiness after fate had dealt him this terrible blow. I'd probably do the same thing.
@coralarch I agree, everything he did was for a reason and if i were Rochester i would probably do the same too. Thanks for making everything clearer, it's given me a lot to think and wonder about :-)
@221Verona That's the beauty of literature- it keeps you thinking about the characters. Your username brings tears, because of my favourite tragedy," Romeo & Juliet", which I've seen 1000 times or more, and never tire of. What if they had lived? Their respective parents would have reconciled, but they'd probably end up hating each other, because the years couldn't sustain that outpouring of passion. Eventually, reality would set in, but they died before that could happen, still children.
@coralarch I know, it is a terrible tragedy but amazing piece of literature that can keep you wondering for years; i know after i read and watched it i kept on thinking "what if?" too. And i'm sorry to say, but my username has nothing to do with it, I chose it becasue it's such a beautiful city:)
@221Verona Yes! "R & J" is indeed a play where "what if?" keeps recurring. One day, I'll visit "fair Verona" and see Juliet's balcony for myself. The original story was spread over 10 months; Shakespeare heightened the horror by compressing the action into 4 days, and it is horror to think of the loss of such youth and beauty all due to old men's stupid squabbles- a comment on the wider world of international warfare, perhaps? Poor Juliet- to go through death twice, and aged only 13 years!
@coralarch Yes, poor Juliet! I really do pity her circumstances in "Romeo and Juliet". I agree, it is a horror to think of her death at such a young age, especially due to their families arguments! I think Shakespeare was a genius to think this play up and he really showed how much control and influence fathers had over their daughters at that time. Juliet's behavior may have been shocking and disgraceful at the time, but it's a great example of how a girl/woman must feel back then
@coralarch No, i don't think so; but i will now! Thanks:) I've seen the modern one and another one, but i don't know which one it was...I'll watch the Zefirelli version as soon as i can:) Thanks again!!
@221Verona Zefirelli's R & J brims with youthful passion and the leads are extremely attractive. Exquisite photography, gorgeous costumes, a haunting score,and the fight scene where Romeo kills Tybalt has never been bettered. Get yourself a copy ASAP. It's simply unforgettable, and turned me into a rabid fan of Shakespeare. Please let me know how you enjoyed it. I've seen it at least 500 times. Don't bother with the AWFUL 1954 version with Laurence Harvey and Susan Shentall- a travesty!.
@221Verona Zefirelli's version is on Youtube, but that does it no justice. Best to see it in a cinema, or hire a DVD so you'll have no interruptions. Olivia Hussey is the most beautiful screen Juliet ever, and Romeo is a hottie, too. I'm sure you'll love everything about it. It struck a chord with 1968 audiences with its "Make love, not war" theme, plus the extreme youth of the actors. Let me know what you think- I'll be waiting for your critique!!
@221Verona Your mention of their deaths due to their families' fight is encapsulated in the words of the Prince at the end when he addresses the mourners: "Where be these enemies? See what a scourge is laid upon your hates, that Heaven finds means to kill your joys with love." Wow! What power is in those words! And the awful thing was, R & J had no brothers or sisters, so their crazy parents lost everything when the two suicided. What divine punishment on them!
@coralarch That is very true! I think they got what they deserved, their stupid squabble was ridiculous and they didn't really understand or know their children, so they realised too late what was going on and were punished for it! I agree with what you said, a divine punishment on them!
@221Verona Absolutely! Their quarrel was so old ("ancient grudge") that nobody knew what the hell it was all about or who started it. Yes, Heaven killed their hates by killing their only children. Terrible price to pay for their stupidity. As the Princes says at the end, "ALL are punished... All are punished!"
@coralarch I love this play, i love the characters and how they learned, too late, form their mistakes and i loved how shakespeare described what was going to happen in the play in the prologue and how he dropped hints all around to show what would happen! He's a genius!
my favourite interrupted wedding scene of all.. except maybe for Orson.. he was very impassioned toward Richard in the book.. Toby didn't overdo it IMHO.. and his turning away during his confession..Wow!
This is inaccurate as well--Bertha is too pretty, and Rochester isn't supossed to get violent or yelling. Oh well--without the book to narrate and describe everything, they probably had to have him do that so people won't think he doesn't care.
What a kind of disgusting movie. If you want to know the truth, you should see the original "wide sargasso sea" from Jean Rhys. Rochester *used* Antoinette, his first wife. He was a patristic english colonialist and didn't appreciate Antoinette, the creole woman from the caribic. He hated the wildness and pagan nature of Antoinette, but in spite of this he was making love to her. I hate this ambiguity of men. He was driving her mad. :(
the person who plays jane eyre is pretty but her lips are like a duck.. i would be a little bit embarassed but oh well. everyine is beauiful in a uniqe way
Well, Jane Eyre isn't supposed to be pretty. She's supposed to be plain and poor, so I think they cast the character well. If they chose an obviously attractive actress then it'd ruin Jane's character.
@ Friedenbitte, Mr. Rochester is not a loser! (it is spelled loser, not looser fyi)
And i didn't like the Jane actress the first time i watched it either. But then i watched the other Jane Eyre movies, and it made me realize that THIS Jane is the best i have seen (or rather the one that bothers me the least). I guess it is just hard to cast a role like that of Jane Eyre.
I agree that they made Bertha too pretty, as Ch.Bronte described: "the clothed
hyena rose up, and stood tall on its hind-feet..The maniac bellowed: she parted her shaggy locks from her visage, and
gazed wildly at her visitors. I recognised well that purple face,--those
bloated features. ."
And I'm not fond of the actress playing Jane - her acting is great but what bothers me is that she has that constant "duck-mouth" expression that gets on my nerves...
yeah he did, but he meant when she was younger and he first met her. then she was beautiful. but by the time jane sees her, she has descended into her madness and is supposed to be frightful looking..
im doing this at school and im getting well into it but im only up to the bit where he proposed to her... its a different version but its still got the same story behind it... On this Jayne eyre... the girl is different but i only came on here to have a sneak preview haha lol... i bet your wondering why in doing the (...) thing so much but i do it because its one of those things where i have to do it :( lolage... SAVAGE... I think this movie is totally amazing... i recomend it and im only twelve
This is so very sad for everyone involved. I feel for Jane,obviously,but I feel so sorry for m.Rochester also.He found true love for the first time and was ready to "risk the wrath of God to get her" .When you think that he found Jane when he was almost 40 it's so sad...and he's such a good person.Doesn't Jane say at some point that all children deserve a chance to love?Well,I Iagree....this part of the story just tears me apart.
i actually think she describes jane perfectly! see we never get a full trut view of jane we just get what she thinks of hereself! but i think she is decent looking not as ugly as she makes herself. and this girl isn't the best looking in my opinion anyway she's perfect for jane!
that's a very literary approach. i've never thought of it that way, but that makes a lot of sense. she wouldn't think she was good looking. Women are often like that, and she would be more so at all if she were ridiculed by her aunt and cosins all her childhood. awesome observation!
I agree. I never thought that she looked as bad as she thought but no beauty. She was said to be plain by many people (St. John, Mr Rochester etc). But was called pretty with a peculiar face by Mary and Diana. And she had green eyes.
I have to say... I didn't like Rochester at all after the marriage proposal. Even though Jane was sure that his love was real, I was a little uneasy about how he wanted to shower her with all those compliments and gifts before the wedding. I was kind of happy she left him and went to go teach, for a while. He just seemed so... desperate. It creeped me out a little.
Berta here is a well dressed and groomed beauty. In the book she was wearing straight clothes, has red eyes and was twice fatter than her husband. 83rd version was much closer to the book.
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I ve got to say that I wouldn't know that rochester's wife was Spanish, I'm so sorry for the sterotype, however, I would like to say that the actress of Jane Eyre has a good future as mail box, what a big mouth!!!!!
I didn't mean to doubt or justify any detail of the plot, that is what everyone should decide for himself... I only wanted to give my opinion about the actress, and I find her a very good choice for the role, because the acting as well as the costumes and make-up were suitable...
I'm sorry but starting at 3:34 to 3:38 it's sounds funny how Bertha screams puta to Jane...cannot stop laughing!!!!!
msjg0712 4 months ago
This film is so great!!!!
Now I am reading the book about Jane Eyre - it is very good too!!! :)
Lindoo13 1 year ago
Oh- How could she touch him after that? I would have yanked my hand away at 2:07 if I were Jane.
XxXForever0yoursXxX 1 year ago
Poor Jane, and poor Rochester!
221Verona 1 year ago
@221Verona And poor Bertha, too, confined through no fault of her own, in a time where there was little that medicine could do for the poor creature.- a 4-way tragedy. The brother did the right thing, legally, and Jane was too honourable to marry bigamously- too honest to enter into a deceitful marriage, had she known that Bertha lived. Terrible situation..
coralarch 1 year ago
@coralarch I didn't see it before, but now i agree, poor Bertha. However, although her brother was doing the right thing, as you said, legally i can't help but think he's, in a way, abandoning Bertha and pushing her away into the unsuspecting hands of Rochester; but then if he didn't Bertha would have probably ended up in an asylum like her mother:/ So, he was sort of doing the right thing and must have really trusted Rochester to look after Bertha well. But yes, it is a terrible situation :/
221Verona 1 year ago
@221Verona Yes, the brother was right- he saved Jane from bigamy and in those times, that was regarded as a serious crime against society and God. However- he didn't tell Rochester about the family history of insanity- which was wrong- but as you say, he may have kept quiet knowing that Rochester wouldn't abandon her once they were married. I don't blame Rochester for wanting a share of happiness after fate had dealt him this terrible blow. I'd probably do the same thing.
coralarch 1 year ago
@coralarch I agree, everything he did was for a reason and if i were Rochester i would probably do the same too. Thanks for making everything clearer, it's given me a lot to think and wonder about :-)
221Verona 1 year ago
@221Verona That's the beauty of literature- it keeps you thinking about the characters. Your username brings tears, because of my favourite tragedy," Romeo & Juliet", which I've seen 1000 times or more, and never tire of. What if they had lived? Their respective parents would have reconciled, but they'd probably end up hating each other, because the years couldn't sustain that outpouring of passion. Eventually, reality would set in, but they died before that could happen, still children.
coralarch 1 year ago
@coralarch I know, it is a terrible tragedy but amazing piece of literature that can keep you wondering for years; i know after i read and watched it i kept on thinking "what if?" too. And i'm sorry to say, but my username has nothing to do with it, I chose it becasue it's such a beautiful city:)
221Verona 1 year ago
@221Verona Yes! "R & J" is indeed a play where "what if?" keeps recurring. One day, I'll visit "fair Verona" and see Juliet's balcony for myself. The original story was spread over 10 months; Shakespeare heightened the horror by compressing the action into 4 days, and it is horror to think of the loss of such youth and beauty all due to old men's stupid squabbles- a comment on the wider world of international warfare, perhaps? Poor Juliet- to go through death twice, and aged only 13 years!
coralarch 1 year ago
@coralarch Yes, poor Juliet! I really do pity her circumstances in "Romeo and Juliet". I agree, it is a horror to think of her death at such a young age, especially due to their families arguments! I think Shakespeare was a genius to think this play up and he really showed how much control and influence fathers had over their daughters at that time. Juliet's behavior may have been shocking and disgraceful at the time, but it's a great example of how a girl/woman must feel back then
221Verona 1 year ago
@221Verona Have you seen the 1968 Zefirelli film version of the play? The Best!!
coralarch 1 year ago
@coralarch No, i don't think so; but i will now! Thanks:) I've seen the modern one and another one, but i don't know which one it was...I'll watch the Zefirelli version as soon as i can:) Thanks again!!
221Verona 1 year ago
@221Verona Zefirelli's R & J brims with youthful passion and the leads are extremely attractive. Exquisite photography, gorgeous costumes, a haunting score,and the fight scene where Romeo kills Tybalt has never been bettered. Get yourself a copy ASAP. It's simply unforgettable, and turned me into a rabid fan of Shakespeare. Please let me know how you enjoyed it. I've seen it at least 500 times. Don't bother with the AWFUL 1954 version with Laurence Harvey and Susan Shentall- a travesty!.
coralarch 1 year ago
@coralarch Okay! Thank you! From what you've said, it sounds excellent! Thanks again!
221Verona 11 months ago
@221Verona Zefirelli's version is on Youtube, but that does it no justice. Best to see it in a cinema, or hire a DVD so you'll have no interruptions. Olivia Hussey is the most beautiful screen Juliet ever, and Romeo is a hottie, too. I'm sure you'll love everything about it. It struck a chord with 1968 audiences with its "Make love, not war" theme, plus the extreme youth of the actors. Let me know what you think- I'll be waiting for your critique!!
coralarch 11 months ago
@221Verona Your mention of their deaths due to their families' fight is encapsulated in the words of the Prince at the end when he addresses the mourners: "Where be these enemies? See what a scourge is laid upon your hates, that Heaven finds means to kill your joys with love." Wow! What power is in those words! And the awful thing was, R & J had no brothers or sisters, so their crazy parents lost everything when the two suicided. What divine punishment on them!
coralarch 11 months ago
@coralarch That is very true! I think they got what they deserved, their stupid squabble was ridiculous and they didn't really understand or know their children, so they realised too late what was going on and were punished for it! I agree with what you said, a divine punishment on them!
221Verona 11 months ago
@221Verona Absolutely! Their quarrel was so old ("ancient grudge") that nobody knew what the hell it was all about or who started it. Yes, Heaven killed their hates by killing their only children. Terrible price to pay for their stupidity. As the Princes says at the end, "ALL are punished... All are punished!"
coralarch 11 months ago
@coralarch I love this play, i love the characters and how they learned, too late, form their mistakes and i loved how shakespeare described what was going to happen in the play in the prologue and how he dropped hints all around to show what would happen! He's a genius!
221Verona 11 months ago
my favourite interrupted wedding scene of all.. except maybe for Orson.. he was very impassioned toward Richard in the book.. Toby didn't overdo it IMHO.. and his turning away during his confession..Wow!
stayathome008 1 year ago
This is inaccurate as well--Bertha is too pretty, and Rochester isn't supossed to get violent or yelling. Oh well--without the book to narrate and describe everything, they probably had to have him do that so people won't think he doesn't care.
shineyourlight55 1 year ago
hey they're using the same chapel as they did for the 1996 version!
shineyourlight55 1 year ago
"pouta! pouta!" Cant believe anyone would call jane eyre a bitch/whore
ctp371826 1 year ago
ohmygosh, I WILL KILL MASON!!! i mean....what a jerk! I LOVE YOU EDWARD ROCHESTER!!!! :D
101Witch101 1 year ago 3
Isn't Bertha Mason supposed to be Jamaican?
likemic05 1 year ago
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StrongImaginationA 1 year ago
@likemic05 no, i think her brother met Rochester in Jamaica, but they are english
GreenCirclesx 1 year ago
What a kind of disgusting movie. If you want to know the truth, you should see the original "wide sargasso sea" from Jean Rhys. Rochester *used* Antoinette, his first wife. He was a patristic english colonialist and didn't appreciate Antoinette, the creole woman from the caribic. He hated the wildness and pagan nature of Antoinette, but in spite of this he was making love to her. I hate this ambiguity of men. He was driving her mad. :(
PaganManu08 1 year ago
@PaganManu08
" If you want to know the truth, you should see the original wide sargasso sea " Original? rly ? wide sargasso sea by Jean Rhys 1966
Jane Eyre By Charlotte Bronte 1846 !
That's All !
LJaneEyre 1 year ago
ohhh, she not black laik she is in da boook
Grazzer52 1 year ago
Mrs. Rochester looked sexy....before she went nuts.
madhoyden 1 year ago 5
mr. rochester is a jerk lol
engela2 2 years ago
Is Bertha screaming PUTA or is it just my ears?
s2Buuhs2 2 years ago 4
yeah she is... it means b*tch in spanish
sakurachicka 2 years ago
thanks ^^..it means bitch in portuguese too xD
s2Buuhs2 2 years ago
Yes, that's what she says.
gillyrosh 2 years ago
the person who plays jane eyre is pretty but her lips are like a duck.. i would be a little bit embarassed but oh well. everyine is beauiful in a uniqe way
popstarchikiee 2 years ago 5
Well, Jane Eyre isn't supposed to be pretty. She's supposed to be plain and poor, so I think they cast the character well. If they chose an obviously attractive actress then it'd ruin Jane's character.
dyedread 1 year ago
Lol i agree.... she is pretty in a unique way
popstarchikiee 1 year ago
jesus that wife is scaryass
38RS 2 years ago
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Mr. R is a looser . and idk if i liked this representation of Bertha or Jane.
Friedenbitte 2 years ago
@ Friedenbitte, Mr. Rochester is not a loser! (it is spelled loser, not looser fyi)
And i didn't like the Jane actress the first time i watched it either. But then i watched the other Jane Eyre movies, and it made me realize that THIS Jane is the best i have seen (or rather the one that bothers me the least). I guess it is just hard to cast a role like that of Jane Eyre.
gracielou000000 2 years ago 4
I like how in this version Bertha isn't some revolting looking monster. Just because she's mad doesn't mean she can look like some witch xP
xXxPinkyGirlyxXx 2 years ago 8
i read this part from the short version many times and i read the novel its APRIL
starlight781 2 years ago
This was the only part of the novel that I liked, just because it was such a slap in the face to Jane
sasori711 2 years ago 3
this must be so awkward for Jane.
sarikaris 2 years ago 34
Rochester is too good-looking, as all Bronte purists will also tell you.
binkle1 2 years ago 9
I agree that they made Bertha too pretty, as Ch.Bronte described: "the clothed
hyena rose up, and stood tall on its hind-feet..The maniac bellowed: she parted her shaggy locks from her visage, and
gazed wildly at her visitors. I recognised well that purple face,--those
bloated features. ."
And I'm not fond of the actress playing Jane - her acting is great but what bothers me is that she has that constant "duck-mouth" expression that gets on my nerves...
mashanka1 2 years ago 39
Haha, I agree completely.
LaSirenaDelMar 2 years ago
the duck thing really really irritates me too
BogiSzabo 2 years ago
she looks like me at 25! but my mouth never did that thing lol
binkle1 2 years ago
I love Grace Poole though, she's perfect for the part.
BogiSzabo 2 years ago
Bertha is NOT supposed to look like that!! She's supposed to be hideous!
BogiSzabo 2 years ago
lol- yeah, she's gorgeous. in the book he did say he thought she was hot though (but not exactly in those words
relvaccaro 2 years ago 2
yeah he did, but he meant when she was younger and he first met her. then she was beautiful. but by the time jane sees her, she has descended into her madness and is supposed to be frightful looking..
BogiSzabo 2 years ago
im doing this at school and im getting well into it but im only up to the bit where he proposed to her... its a different version but its still got the same story behind it... On this Jayne eyre... the girl is different but i only came on here to have a sneak preview haha lol... i bet your wondering why in doing the (...) thing so much but i do it because its one of those things where i have to do it :( lolage... SAVAGE... I think this movie is totally amazing... i recomend it and im only twelve
Torsian123 2 years ago
This is so very sad for everyone involved. I feel for Jane,obviously,but I feel so sorry for m.Rochester also.He found true love for the first time and was ready to "risk the wrath of God to get her" .When you think that he found Jane when he was almost 40 it's so sad...and he's such a good person.Doesn't Jane say at some point that all children deserve a chance to love?Well,I Iagree....this part of the story just tears me apart.
gio73vanna 2 years ago 3
he made his bed, now he'll have to lie in it.
But its an excellent story.
sasquatchesdad 2 years ago
i actually think she describes jane perfectly! see we never get a full trut view of jane we just get what she thinks of hereself! but i think she is decent looking not as ugly as she makes herself. and this girl isn't the best looking in my opinion anyway she's perfect for jane!
keeshekeeshe 2 years ago 3
that's a very literary approach. i've never thought of it that way, but that makes a lot of sense. she wouldn't think she was good looking. Women are often like that, and she would be more so at all if she were ridiculed by her aunt and cosins all her childhood. awesome observation!
Lady4HisMajesty 2 years ago
I agree. I never thought that she looked as bad as she thought but no beauty. She was said to be plain by many people (St. John, Mr Rochester etc). But was called pretty with a peculiar face by Mary and Diana. And she had green eyes.
AnonaNicole 2 years ago 2
yes. =)
liliswedina 2 years ago
, never mind that comment liliswedina.
beto98 2 years ago
yeah, you' re right, she looks to pretty!! And in the book, she doesn' t speak to Jane.
liliswedina 2 years ago
to be jane eyre yess she does look too pretty
beto98 2 years ago
Bertha is WAY too pretty and composed looking! It's hilarious that she calls Jane Eyre a "punta" (bitch) though!
tiralira88 2 years ago 2
she says "puta" not punta.
yoyo1791 2 years ago
I have to say... I didn't like Rochester at all after the marriage proposal. Even though Jane was sure that his love was real, I was a little uneasy about how he wanted to shower her with all those compliments and gifts before the wedding. I was kind of happy she left him and went to go teach, for a while. He just seemed so... desperate. It creeped me out a little.
Hippodameia 3 years ago 3
Grace Poole is played by Pam Ferris! :)
I just realized that!
I empathize with Mr. Rochester and Bertha both.
ElectricShark 3 years ago
For me, I like how Bertha is presented in here. I'm sick of the ungroomed hag that we'er used to seeing in the other versions. Something new here.
TheFenianWarrior 3 years ago 3
Even though Bertha did not fit the image portrayed in the book. This is still a great movie. IF only they had found a better Bertha.
SecertsUnknown 3 years ago 2
I literaly just read this chapter (26) and I'm a bit dissapointed that they didn't do justice to the "creature" painted in the novel.
Mako0248 3 years ago 5
Same. I finished a few days ago.
XoXprincessleia94XoX 3 years ago
Berta here is a well dressed and groomed beauty. In the book she was wearing straight clothes, has red eyes and was twice fatter than her husband. 83rd version was much closer to the book.
galinaqt 3 years ago 4
What's the 83rd version
ElectricShark 3 years ago
I mean Jane Eyre 1983 which is the best in my opinion.
galinaqt 3 years ago
Yes, where Joolia Cappleman played Bertha. :)
She was great!
ElectricShark 3 years ago
Yeesh, that was a dumb question. Obviously, 1983! Duh! :)
Sorry bout that!
ElectricShark 3 years ago
Wow...Edward..calm, take a breather! thats it. :D His sister is crazy!
rainbowspotter 4 years ago 7
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I ve got to say that I wouldn't know that rochester's wife was Spanish, I'm so sorry for the sterotype, however, I would like to say that the actress of Jane Eyre has a good future as mail box, what a big mouth!!!!!
maggieshotthegun 4 years ago
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she is very ugly
maggieshotthegun 4 years ago
did you read the book? she should look this way, but most of her ugliness is just the make-up...
katinkagirlie 4 years ago
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hahaha! now we have to follow the book. have u ever seen another scene when they are excessively close?? that's not real in that period.
maggieshotthegun 4 years ago
I didn't mean to doubt or justify any detail of the plot, that is what everyone should decide for himself... I only wanted to give my opinion about the actress, and I find her a very good choice for the role, because the acting as well as the costumes and make-up were suitable...
katinkagirlie 4 years ago 4
I love this part!
ihearttjeff 4 years ago