Lol to the uploaders stupid comment saying "THIS IS A REAL SIMULATED BACKDRAFT"... That's exactly what it is, a simulation, keep practicing and maybe one day you can do the real thing with the big boys.
too much exterior smoke to be a backdraft. backdraft occurs in confined, concealed space. def not when the door is wide open. a smoke explosion at best.
This is NOT a flashover, when he open the door unburned materials in the smoke gets pucht out wile fresh air comes in, this make the unburned materials in the smoke get new oxygen and catches fire out side the door. there is no oxygen inside the house and that's why its sucking in new oxygen when the door opens. this is why its called "Backdraft". This is basic knowledge for all fire-fighters.
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sorry to all of you ..."firemen " out there .....you may have been caught up in diffrent type of situations or fires.but THIS IS A REAL SIMULATED BACKDRAFT. nuff said....get off u-tube n hit reality instead. :)
@philsyd83 Hahah, so, you are the expert..? A flashover is before the backdraft when things get on fire after the pyrolise... Use google, or be a fireman...;)
Definitely a Flash over, because in the enclosed space anything in there reached the flashpoint.. heating up the combustible gases and furnishings to their auto-ignition temperature. Unless my 26 years in the FDNY, and 36 years in Volunteer fire Department are wrong..
@ugotpwned126 Its clearly a backdraft. When they open the door you can see its pulling air in the bottom of the doorway. That means it didnt have enough oxygen. Hence the name "backdraft" there is a DRAFT of air BACK into the fire which feeds the fire and causes it to light up. Its not a very violent backdraft, but its a classic example. oxygen starved. This isnt hollywood. They arent always super violent and happen the instant the door is opened.
@Zugvogel1 Its just a regular burn simulator. Ive never seen a flashover simulator like that one. A flashover simulator has a second cargo container. 1 at ground level for the firefighters and the other about 4 feet off the ground where the fire burns and the flashover occurs.
@dekalmoes If it flashed and it was just the gasses igniting the fire would just light the smoke column. That means it wouldnt have the force behind it to push a big fireball out toward the cameraman like it does. The key difference is the force behind it. A flashover is driven by heat so as soon as the fire is out the doorway it goes up. A backdraft is forced by pressure. Thats why it pushes straight out from the doorway as far as it did
You are wrong, it's a minor backdraft! It's easy to see!
A flashover is the simultaneous ignition of most of the directly exposed combustible material with the release flammable gases in an enclosed area. Here the area was on fire!
A backdraft is an explosive event at a fire resulting from rapid re-introduction of oxygen to combustion in an oxygen-starved environment, for example, opening a door to an enclosed space. Here the area wasn't on fire when it occurs!
@himdarling. Buddy, you know what I do for a living?? That's right. I'm a firefighter. I know what I'm talking about. A backdraft is a sudden explosion when oxygen is quickly introduced into a oxygen deficient atmosphere. A flashover (this video) is when all of the gases ignite
Also there is no debate as to what these guys are trying to do. They are "trying" to get a backdraft. What they have in the video is a minor backdraft. Minor only because they have too many leaks in the container to perform a perfect backdraft. In a near perfect backdraft situation the fire is almost completely snuffed out not possible here. If it was a perfect backdraft as soon as these guys cracked the door they would be blown away and over in the bushes. Applaud these guys for coming close.
It is indeed a backdraft, although the phenomenon is of more interest than the label itself. And it is a minor one just because the enclosure is so small!
@DrSardqvist If you reread my post I stated that it is in fact a backdraft just a minor one like you said, but it is minor yes because the enclosure is small but also because it is not completely sealed. And a backdraft I wouldn't say it is a phenomenon. A backdraft WILL happen if the conditions are correct. Phenomenon is more like the northern lights or something like that.
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@firewomanof2010 flashover is when the room hits 1200 degrees and everything just catches on fire....backdraft is when the incomming air gives oxygen to the fire making it ignite the gasses..its a perfect example of backdraft
@quadkid4 i have talked and showed this video to a few of my fire deptartment members and the are in agreance with me that it is not a backdraft it is a flashover look at the smoke and how long it takes to ignite cuz a backdraft with imidiately ignite where as a flashover takes time.
A BACKDRAFT is a situation which can occur when a fire's product-gases are starved of o2; consequently combustion slows (due to the lack of o2) but the combustible fuel gases and smoke remain at a temperature above the fire-point of the fuel gases. If o2 is re-introduced to the fire, e.g. by opening a door to a closed room, combustion will restart, often resulting in an 'explosive' effect as the gases are heated by the combustion and expand rapidly because of the rapidly increasing temperature.
im not a fire fighter but my dad is he taught me the differences between a backdraft and a flashover. this is definitly a flashover he knows becouse he also insructs new firefighters on how to do their job and all the what if situations c'mon people im 14 and even i can tell
@killerbanana14 a flash over is when the room or building reaches a certian temperature in which everything catches on fire at once. a backdraft is when alot of oxygen is introduced to an oxygen starved fire. the result of a backdraft is an explosion....what happened here is a backdraft.. take it from a fire fighter like myself this is a backdraft and if your dad said its a flashover then chances are hes an idiot
People need to learn the difference between flashover and backdraft. Flash over is purely related to everything reaching it's ignition point. Backdraft is purely about exposing a fire to a new oxidizer.
BTW, brown smoke is only created by the off gassing of unfinished wood product, not oxygen starved fire. Again I suggest you look into Dave Dodson- The Art of Reading Smoke. Great class if you can see him worth every penny!!!!
FLASHOVER!!! The color of the smoke has no determining factor in the difference between Flashover and backdraft. Watch the thick turbulent smoke, shows flashover is eminant. Look into Dave Dodson all you need ot see.
That is a flashover... A backdraft would have happened the second the door was opened. Backdraft also has gray lazy smoke... Not silky chugging smoke.
does nobody remember anything from training or the book itself? most of the time, backdraft and flashover happen at the same time when oxygen is re-introduced into an oxygen depleted area.
@hrfd343 < What text book? Perhaps MY textbooks, instructors, supervisors are all wrong and you have the correct info? Please let me read this "textbook", give me the name and publisher? If I've been wrong these 15 years I want to know.
@sirstanley09 <Flashover is the autoignition of combustibles in an enclosed space. It's cause by gasses released as an items reach their "flash point'' and requires no introduction of fresh air...like when you put paper in an over it will bust into flame at 430 degrees. Backdraft, like you see here is when a fire is starved of oxygen but the combustible fuel, gases and smoke remain at temperature, If oxygen is re-introduced combustion will restart. There's more to it but that the gist.
@tubesteakdynamo first of all paper wont bust into flames at 430 degrees. and this is a flashover. again people look dave dodson up on the internet or better yet go to his class in person. you could stand to learn a lot from him. and that smoke push is far to strong to be characteristic of a backdraft. the brown smoke is the material not backdraft condition. and a backdraft would have been nearly instantaneous this took was too long
@sirstanley09 flash over is when the fire gets hot enough the smoke and air burst into flame a backdraught is basicly what u see here where a fire is in a confined space and it burns out due to lack of oxygen and when u open the space the air rushes in and the fire ignites with sometimes explosive force
@Foc4ccin4 no when they opened the door the oxygen was let in. thats when the smoke came out. when the flames came out thats a flashover the heat reached the ignition point. thats when the smoke gets hot enough to actually ignite. if the flames shot out as soon as he opened the door that would be a backdraft but usually backdrafts dont even contain fire its usually just smoke.
@rsizemore12 that's obviously a backdraft, oxygen came in letting the fire ignite... don't u see the door was closed? if it was a flashover there was no need of opening the door because only the heath igniting gasses inside of the room are necessary
Thats a flashover....A backdraft would have been almost sudden as soon as that door was popped. This fire here took 15 seconds to erupt. This was a flashover.
@rupp5598 < I wish that stupid movie had never come out. Look at the color of the smoke. Backdraft does not ALWAYS = instant boom or even boom at all. this was backdraft. The cool air was sucked in from the bottom and pushed out enough smoke till the fuel/ air mix was proper. Flashover requires no new air as the heat creates it's own reaction. When this fire got enough draft it burst.
This one was a tweener when i first saw it. Smoke ignited(flashover), but bottom of the locker was sucking air in(backdraft). By definition and logic, this is a backdraft due to the fact that without introducing oxygen back into the fire it would not ignite due to the locker being "too rich". Flashover refers to gases igniting at a high enough temp, not introducing oxygen. Just sayin....
It can take quite long for the fire gas mix to dilute back down to within its flammable range... I'd advise caution on the fireground to those who think this isn't backdraught!
Thats not a backdraft. Unless they are on the moon and it takes it that long for the o2 to feed the fire, then it would be a backdraft. But thats a flashover.
LOL Backdraft vs. Flashover... I would encourage those of you who call themselves firefighters to go back to your manuals and look up some definitions... The answer as to what this is SHOULD be basic knowledge for everyone. But even I had to look 2wice at this. Also remember that every fire and situation is not static... You can have mixed situations depending on your fuel load, ventilation etc. Every fire will present itself differently but also with some of the same characteristics.
its a backdraft watch the smoke come off the door as they open it.. it slowly starts to get sucked back into the doorway then speeds up just b4 the fireball
This is simply a video of an flashover not a backdraft. This fire wasnt decaying and settling down for a sudden air induction but was definately rolling with velocity and density and smoke colour all tell tale signs flashover was imminent .
Would it flash if they didnt open the door? I see what you're sayin, it did look like a flashover and probably would be if it burned hotter. But I think the fire load was too high and it suffocated itself until the door was opened introducing air and creating the backdraft... Flashover refers to tempand gasses, not oxygen..
flashover occurs when all items in a room simultaneously reach their combustion temp. and is the stage BEFORE fully developed which this was before they suffocated the fire to create the backdraft and the way you explain the situation, badge5566, you prove yourself wrong
That's a backdraught. It takes a while for the gasses to enter their flammable range having been taken to the 'too rich' mix in the unventilated compartment. As the oxygen saturates the gasses they become flammable again.
Completely different to flashover. See the basic signs and symptoms to understand the difference.
Thats totally a backdraft, look at the smoke, its yellow and puffing. The fire is obviously been going for awhile and they starved it by having the doors closed (the whole container was obviously fully developed before the video started)
A flashover occurs when the fire is still growing, a backdraft happens when the fire is decaying and starving for air, then gets a sudden rush of more air. This video shows a backdraft
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This is a FLASHOVER
A backdraft is a situation which can occur when a fire is starved of oxygen; consequently combustion ceases but the fuel gases and smoke remain at high temperature. If oxygen is re-introduced to the fire combustion can restart often resulting in an explosive effect as the gases heat and expand.
Due to pressure differentials, these puffs of smoke are sometimes "sucked" back into the enclosed space from which they emanate, which is where the term "backdraft" originates.
never said it was or wasn't a backdraft. just saying that a backdraft rarely happens instantaneously. no disrespect. and no i have little fire training.
you said it yourself: smoke explosion -> backdraft
to explain it:
everything capable of burning, produces gas, which actually burns, when a fire starts and heats up the whole room, this gas will ignite and therefor the hole room will ignite -> flashover
without oxigen, the gas can't ignite and it's getting more and more, till the fire goes out by itself, open a door when the gas is still hot ->oxygen goes in->gas explodes->backdraft, like in the movie
@firemedic726 agreed, a backdraft would have immediately sent them flying. thank god my dad (batt. chief) and some friends (volunteers) haven't encountered any
A backdraught doesn't puff like in the movie, it billows out in pulses as you can see in the video. you can also see the air-track as the fire tries to get the oxygen required for combustion, as well as energy-rich yellow tinged gases(smoke) an indicator of a backdraught. A backdraught isn't necessarily instantaneous, they have been known to occur after 40mins.
At first glance I would agree with most of you that this was a flash over. However, remember your definitions. Backdraft occurs because the fire has run out of oxygen which is what they introduced. The contents will have burned down to a smoldering state because the fire esentially snuffs itself. Also notice the fire inside the burn room after the explosion. It dies right out because the fuel has already been consumed.....
that would be a..FLASHOVER... if it was a backdraft, it would have exploded the second you opened the door.. and i didnt see any puffing.... come on now people
Hi elsalvaje22. I think that you may be wrong. You didn't see puffing because the door was fully opened so the air and oxygen didn't need to compete. There is a pause in the backdraft because, as you can see, there was SO MUCH smoke that it took a few seconds for the oxygen to get up to the needed concentration in the smoke before ignition could occur. If it were flashover then the fire would continue at the same strength once it flashed. Instead this one practically blows itself out.
"if it was a backdraft, it would have exploded the second you opened the door"
you are very wrong Im afraid. It can take several minutes until oxygen and gas have the perfect blend for a backdraft to occur. Swedish firefighting academy is world leading when it comes to these things.
im really sorry my friend but i think that you are incorrect since the united states is in the top leading when it comes to backdraft since they are the oldest fire department ein the world thanis the ecuadorian one so they have more experience o n these type of things greeting from Ecuador
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that's exactly the problem.... experience! US fire departments rely on experience instead of knowledge and education... what worked 20 years ago might not be the correct thing today.
@ kallebaah0--you are a moron!!! how in the fuck can you rely on knowledge and education with out EXPERIENCE? Trust me the USA adapts to new standards in the fire service so dont try to say we are uneducated...
flashover and backdraft are sort of connected in a way. Although 2 different means of fire, one smoldering.. the other being open visible flame, both involve extreme temps in confined areas. Proper venting and cooling will prevent both. Backdraft is confined gasses and heat with little oxygen, flashover is confined gasses oxygen and heat, but without a sudden introduction of oxygen. In short, the primary trigger of a flashover is heat, the trigger of a backdraft is oxygen.
Why are people saying this is a flashover? It is clearly a backdraft and the Swedish are world leaders in FF technology. Thanks for sharing the video.
AFAIK a flashover occurs when there is still enough oxygen in the air. You have an object on fire. In this room, there are other objects. The smoke and radiation will heat the other objects to the point of ignition. When they are 'warm' enough, they will suddenly be on fire, without having had contact to the burning object or flames. So at a give time you have for example one chair on fire and the next second, everything in the room's on fire!
Carre to explain? Cuz I don't think so tbh. To me it looks like a text book backdraft.
What we have here is a confined space with no further supply of oxigen. The fire burns until all the oxygen is gone but the heat remains high enough to ignite the smoke once it mixes with oxygen. When you open the door, air in suckt in and once there is enough oxygen in the mix, it ignites and you see the blow coming towards and out of the door. Also brownish smoke is a sign of backdraft.
I agree with Tiburon. Flashover is when all of the contents of the room reach their ignition point at the same time and combust at the same time. This looks like the addition of fresh air has created a backdraft effect.
i worked installing hardwood for an ex firefighter.. was a pain in the ass the guy would take 100lbs of wood on his sholder n run up 3flights of stairs. n hed want you doin the same!!
Hey guys . . . my uncle was a firefighter in Connecticut for over 30 years. He is retired, almost 70, and he still goes to the firehouse several times a week to be with the guys. He has seen a couple of generations pass through, and has attended too many funerals. I am very happy that my uncle made it to retirement. He is a kind and peaceful man, and was a conscientious firefighter. I know some of you guys must be too. That is all that really matters.
WHAT A FUCKIN JOKE! A Britsh fuck even wanting to act like he is a fireman. United Kingdom? British any way you look at it. You UK FIRE WANNABEES run your cum guzzling mouths on here about this and that. Your fucking country sucks and the way you idiots fight fire sucks. Grow some balls come over here to the USA and we will be glad to show you. Till then stay on the defensive cause after all thats all you fucks really do!
Ok, so everyone in America is American...??? No, I didn't think so. Anyway u fool, it's good to see that I can get a so called 17 year vet biting like a lilltle bitch...Go run n tell all ur little fag buddies when u go to ur weekly drill night u part time farmer hick retard...And ur right, I'd probably shit my panties if I was ever in the really bad house fires u get everyday in ur village. Just aswell we Brits have got good dipers eh...??? Go flood some more property u buffoon.....
Hey fdny fuckstick, stay the fuck out of it. English fuck wanted to start spouting off about shit before knowing the facts. I am career. Small town but union due paying career none the less. I was a vollie for 6 years with one hell of a well trained department. So you wanna stick up for english bitch boy over an american brother go suck a cock you stupid fuck. Better yet move over there.
i didnt make any claim to a department, you shouldnt either. did your wife leave your for a british guy? i don't understand. you know where im from, but dont label any fucking departments on youtube, have some fucking PRIDE and keep your comments to yourself.
I really dont care what department your from or who you are. I have read enough smug ,americans suck british are the shit crap on countless videos. Check out some of the shit the uk fucks say about your 343 brothers on here. Real respectful shit let me tell you. You keep running your NYFD (LIKE THAT!) mouth all you want. Those uk shitheads are not my brothers.
If this was a backdraft, air would be sucked in to add oxygen to the fire and unburned gasses and cause a firery explosion.
firefighterjr96 4 days ago
Lol to the uploaders stupid comment saying "THIS IS A REAL SIMULATED BACKDRAFT"... That's exactly what it is, a simulation, keep practicing and maybe one day you can do the real thing with the big boys.
ParaDiceYall 1 week ago
It's a backdraft you idiots. I feel sorry for communities of the firefighters who think otherwise.
dpaul007 1 week ago
too much exterior smoke to be a backdraft. backdraft occurs in confined, concealed space. def not when the door is wide open. a smoke explosion at best.
popejonathan 2 weeks ago
This is NOT a flashover, when he open the door unburned materials in the smoke gets pucht out wile fresh air comes in, this make the unburned materials in the smoke get new oxygen and catches fire out side the door. there is no oxygen inside the house and that's why its sucking in new oxygen when the door opens. this is why its called "Backdraft". This is basic knowledge for all fire-fighters.
/Swedish Fire-fighter
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DFF711 3 weeks ago
sorry to all of you ..."firemen " out there .....you may have been caught up in diffrent type of situations or fires.but THIS IS A REAL SIMULATED BACKDRAFT. nuff said....get off u-tube n hit reality instead. :)
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mmadk5 1 week ago
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ReApErSLAYER69 1 month ago
thats a flashover trust me ive been caught in a flash over there not fun
colinbucci 1 month ago
@colinbucci trust me.. its not....
neddyt15 6 days ago
thats a fuckin flashover
shot331 1 month ago
I am a firefighter you moron...
philsyd83 1 month ago
Sorry but it is a flashover, not a backdraft.
philsyd83 1 month ago
@philsyd83 Hahah, so, you are the expert..? A flashover is before the backdraft when things get on fire after the pyrolise... Use google, or be a fireman...;)
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RDMC 1 month ago
That was a backdraft. it EXPLODED into an explosion of flames, not flashed to life.
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sfdff39 2 months ago
Definitely a Flash over, because in the enclosed space anything in there reached the flashpoint.. heating up the combustible gases and furnishings to their auto-ignition temperature. Unless my 26 years in the FDNY, and 36 years in Volunteer fire Department are wrong..
ugotpwned126 3 months ago
@ugotpwned126 Its clearly a backdraft. When they open the door you can see its pulling air in the bottom of the doorway. That means it didnt have enough oxygen. Hence the name "backdraft" there is a DRAFT of air BACK into the fire which feeds the fire and causes it to light up. Its not a very violent backdraft, but its a classic example. oxygen starved. This isnt hollywood. They arent always super violent and happen the instant the door is opened.
sfdff39 2 months ago
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Go you know why this box is called "Flashover Container ?
Bingo !!
Zugvogel1 2 months ago
@Zugvogel1 Its just a regular burn simulator. Ive never seen a flashover simulator like that one. A flashover simulator has a second cargo container. 1 at ground level for the firefighters and the other about 4 feet off the ground where the fire burns and the flashover occurs.
sfdff39 2 months ago
@sfdff39 its a flash over man! the smoke comes out of the box. And then burn the gasses in the smoke
dekalmoes 2 months ago
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@dekalmoes If it flashed and it was just the gasses igniting the fire would just light the smoke column. That means it wouldnt have the force behind it to push a big fireball out toward the cameraman like it does. The key difference is the force behind it. A flashover is driven by heat so as soon as the fire is out the doorway it goes up. A backdraft is forced by pressure. Thats why it pushes straight out from the doorway as far as it did
sfdff39 2 months ago
Flashover is a heat driven event where a Backdraft is oxygen driven (the heat is already there).
smokeybones225 3 months ago
You are wrong, it's a minor backdraft! It's easy to see!
A flashover is the simultaneous ignition of most of the directly exposed combustible material with the release flammable gases in an enclosed area. Here the area was on fire!
A backdraft is an explosive event at a fire resulting from rapid re-introduction of oxygen to combustion in an oxygen-starved environment, for example, opening a door to an enclosed space. Here the area wasn't on fire when it occurs!
It' s a minor backdraft!
ACampos1987 3 months ago 2
This is a flashover, not a backdraft.
enginedog 3 months ago
Is a flashover
P40NWH 5 months ago
Holy Smoke -- Weihrauch!
Mrgamestar 5 months ago
Flashovers is triggered by thermal changes and backdrafts by chemical, that's at least what they said during my education.
This sure looks like a chemical change in the "rooms" atmosphere...
TheOutworn 6 months ago
@himdarling. Buddy, you know what I do for a living?? That's right. I'm a firefighter. I know what I'm talking about. A backdraft is a sudden explosion when oxygen is quickly introduced into a oxygen deficient atmosphere. A flashover (this video) is when all of the gases ignite
headquarters65 6 months ago
@headquarters65
A Exact Desciption..Flaschover no Backdraft.
Zugvogel1 2 months ago
This is called a flashover. A backdraft is an explosion. Do your homework before you post stuff.
headquarters65 6 months ago
@headquarters65 Do your homework before you post stuff. Your wrong. It is indeed a backdraft, just not a super great example of one.
Himdarling44 6 months ago
Also there is no debate as to what these guys are trying to do. They are "trying" to get a backdraft. What they have in the video is a minor backdraft. Minor only because they have too many leaks in the container to perform a perfect backdraft. In a near perfect backdraft situation the fire is almost completely snuffed out not possible here. If it was a perfect backdraft as soon as these guys cracked the door they would be blown away and over in the bushes. Applaud these guys for coming close.
Himdarling44 6 months ago
It is indeed a backdraft, although the phenomenon is of more interest than the label itself. And it is a minor one just because the enclosure is so small!
DrSardqvist 6 months ago
@DrSardqvist If you reread my post I stated that it is in fact a backdraft just a minor one like you said, but it is minor yes because the enclosure is small but also because it is not completely sealed. And a backdraft I wouldn't say it is a phenomenon. A backdraft WILL happen if the conditions are correct. Phenomenon is more like the northern lights or something like that.
Himdarling44 6 months ago
A lot better explanation of a backdraft is here, look up Backdraft/Smoke Explosion by NHCFireRescue. Much better.
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wwwtotalitaerde 7 months ago
*cough* flashover *cough*
videogameboy 8 months ago
Backdraft=rich flashover. A smouldering fire is suddenly introduced to oxygen and causes the flamable gasses to ignite.
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nfs3fan2 10 months ago
Tcfd05- is correct..
lordoflivernois 10 months ago
just stfu nobody knows
bob8984 10 months ago
Flashover
dayton925 10 months ago
this is a flashover not a backdraft
firewomanof2010 11 months ago
@firewomanof2010 flashover is when the room hits 1200 degrees and everything just catches on fire....backdraft is when the incomming air gives oxygen to the fire making it ignite the gasses..its a perfect example of backdraft
quadkid4 10 months ago
@quadkid4 i have talked and showed this video to a few of my fire deptartment members and the are in agreance with me that it is not a backdraft it is a flashover look at the smoke and how long it takes to ignite cuz a backdraft with imidiately ignite where as a flashover takes time.
firewomanof2010 10 months ago
Flashover....
ehurt152 11 months ago
@ehurt152 < Moron....
USMC3531tsd 11 months ago
@USMC3531tsd I guess
ehurt152 11 months ago
A BACKDRAFT is a situation which can occur when a fire's product-gases are starved of o2; consequently combustion slows (due to the lack of o2) but the combustible fuel gases and smoke remain at a temperature above the fire-point of the fuel gases. If o2 is re-introduced to the fire, e.g. by opening a door to a closed room, combustion will restart, often resulting in an 'explosive' effect as the gases are heated by the combustion and expand rapidly because of the rapidly increasing temperature.
bambinorobino 11 months ago
Here's a very informative note for you all. Please do some research before you get rude.
Thanks for the vid. Stay safe fellow brothers, from london.
bambinorobino 11 months ago
TNX....
for the input and lesson to some of you out there.
Stay frosty
smo7sando 11 months ago
TNX....
for the input and lesson to some of you out there.
Stay frosty
smo7sando 11 months ago
im not a fire fighter but my dad is he taught me the differences between a backdraft and a flashover. this is definitly a flashover he knows becouse he also insructs new firefighters on how to do their job and all the what if situations c'mon people im 14 and even i can tell
killerbanana14 1 year ago
@killerbanana14 a flash over is when the room or building reaches a certian temperature in which everything catches on fire at once. a backdraft is when alot of oxygen is introduced to an oxygen starved fire. the result of a backdraft is an explosion....what happened here is a backdraft.. take it from a fire fighter like myself this is a backdraft and if your dad said its a flashover then chances are hes an idiot
quadkid4 10 months ago
not a backdraft.....didn't you see the movie?....
duenge 1 year ago
People need to learn the difference between flashover and backdraft. Flash over is purely related to everything reaching it's ignition point. Backdraft is purely about exposing a fire to a new oxidizer.
Alientank 1 year ago
BTW, brown smoke is only created by the off gassing of unfinished wood product, not oxygen starved fire. Again I suggest you look into Dave Dodson- The Art of Reading Smoke. Great class if you can see him worth every penny!!!!
tcfd05 1 year ago
FLASHOVER!!! The color of the smoke has no determining factor in the difference between Flashover and backdraft. Watch the thick turbulent smoke, shows flashover is eminant. Look into Dave Dodson all you need ot see.
tcfd05 1 year ago
That is a flashover... A backdraft would have happened the second the door was opened. Backdraft also has gray lazy smoke... Not silky chugging smoke.
SSTEVEN94 1 year ago
agree with rbayer!!! i hate dumb people!!
MrBillfore 1 year ago
Not a flash over. That's a room being starved of oxygen. Brown smoke, clear indication. People are stupid as shit.
RBayer 1 year ago
flash over!
kruzer1982 1 year ago
does nobody remember anything from training or the book itself? most of the time, backdraft and flashover happen at the same time when oxygen is re-introduced into an oxygen depleted area.
xskaxgodx 1 year ago
text book flash over
hrfd343 1 year ago
@hrfd343 < What text book? Perhaps MY textbooks, instructors, supervisors are all wrong and you have the correct info? Please let me read this "textbook", give me the name and publisher? If I've been wrong these 15 years I want to know.
tubesteakdynamo 1 year ago
flashover... lame
fd3615 1 year ago
what is the diff between backdraft and flashover, im a junior fire fighter
sirstanley09 1 year ago
@sirstanley09 can't u search on wikipedia??
Foc4ccin4 1 year ago
@sirstanley09 <Flashover is the autoignition of combustibles in an enclosed space. It's cause by gasses released as an items reach their "flash point'' and requires no introduction of fresh air...like when you put paper in an over it will bust into flame at 430 degrees. Backdraft, like you see here is when a fire is starved of oxygen but the combustible fuel, gases and smoke remain at temperature, If oxygen is re-introduced combustion will restart. There's more to it but that the gist.
tubesteakdynamo 1 year ago
@tubesteakdynamo first of all paper wont bust into flames at 430 degrees. and this is a flashover. again people look dave dodson up on the internet or better yet go to his class in person. you could stand to learn a lot from him. and that smoke push is far to strong to be characteristic of a backdraft. the brown smoke is the material not backdraft condition. and a backdraft would have been nearly instantaneous this took was too long
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@sirstanley09 flash over is when the fire gets hot enough the smoke and air burst into flame a backdraught is basicly what u see here where a fire is in a confined space and it burns out due to lack of oxygen and when u open the space the air rushes in and the fire ignites with sometimes explosive force
xX3movamp1reXx 1 year ago
esplosione di fumo perfetta
angelorosso4 1 year ago
dude thats not a backdraft. thats a flashover.
rsizemore12 1 year ago
@rsizemore12 no that's a backdrafrt because when they opened the door the oxygen started the fire again.
Triangle of fire: Combustile, Heat, And Combustive Agent (like oxygen).
Here the one missing was the oxygen
Foc4ccin4 1 year ago
@Foc4ccin4 no when they opened the door the oxygen was let in. thats when the smoke came out. when the flames came out thats a flashover the heat reached the ignition point. thats when the smoke gets hot enough to actually ignite. if the flames shot out as soon as he opened the door that would be a backdraft but usually backdrafts dont even contain fire its usually just smoke.
rsizemore12 1 year ago
@rsizemore12 that's obviously a backdraft, oxygen came in letting the fire ignite... don't u see the door was closed? if it was a flashover there was no need of opening the door because only the heath igniting gasses inside of the room are necessary
Foc4ccin4 1 year ago
That's a flashover dude.
C0RND0G1992 1 year ago
@C0RND0G1992 lol nah
xAugust10x 1 year ago
ummm...smoke exploding?
Yogi1070Canada 1 year ago
Thats a flashover....A backdraft would have been almost sudden as soon as that door was popped. This fire here took 15 seconds to erupt. This was a flashover.
rupp5598 1 year ago
@rupp5598 < I wish that stupid movie had never come out. Look at the color of the smoke. Backdraft does not ALWAYS = instant boom or even boom at all. this was backdraft. The cool air was sucked in from the bottom and pushed out enough smoke till the fuel/ air mix was proper. Flashover requires no new air as the heat creates it's own reaction. When this fire got enough draft it burst.
tubesteakdynamo 1 year ago
@tubesteakdynamo No thats a flash
rupp5598 1 year ago
Flash...not a backdraft
hrdnoclfe 1 year ago
Not a backdraft. Its a smoke explosion
brandongrinder 1 year ago
This one was a tweener when i first saw it. Smoke ignited(flashover), but bottom of the locker was sucking air in(backdraft). By definition and logic, this is a backdraft due to the fact that without introducing oxygen back into the fire it would not ignite due to the locker being "too rich". Flashover refers to gases igniting at a high enough temp, not introducing oxygen. Just sayin....
billyhova21 1 year ago
It can take quite long for the fire gas mix to dilute back down to within its flammable range... I'd advise caution on the fireground to those who think this isn't backdraught!
brothermoo 1 year ago
kind of looks like a flameover or roll over to me...
banshee4442 1 year ago
Thats not a backdraft. Unless they are on the moon and it takes it that long for the o2 to feed the fire, then it would be a backdraft. But thats a flashover.
laptopboy13 1 year ago
I agree more of a flash over than anything!
bobthebuilder92 1 year ago
LOL Backdraft vs. Flashover... I would encourage those of you who call themselves firefighters to go back to your manuals and look up some definitions... The answer as to what this is SHOULD be basic knowledge for everyone. But even I had to look 2wice at this. Also remember that every fire and situation is not static... You can have mixed situations depending on your fuel load, ventilation etc. Every fire will present itself differently but also with some of the same characteristics.
NorwegianFirefighter 2 years ago
flashover
gnmcnabb 2 years ago
looked like a flashover to me.
misfitfirefighter13 2 years ago
BACKDRAFT!
a flashover isnt so big!
TheJumpstyleKevin 2 years ago
Backdraft??? THIS IS A FLASHOVER!!
PiPewx 2 years ago
its a backdraft watch the smoke come off the door as they open it.. it slowly starts to get sucked back into the doorway then speeds up just b4 the fireball
coolgkt 2 years ago
This is simply a video of an flashover not a backdraft. This fire wasnt decaying and settling down for a sudden air induction but was definately rolling with velocity and density and smoke colour all tell tale signs flashover was imminent .
Firefightr1 2 years ago
Would it flash if they didnt open the door? I see what you're sayin, it did look like a flashover and probably would be if it burned hotter. But I think the fire load was too high and it suffocated itself until the door was opened introducing air and creating the backdraft... Flashover refers to tempand gasses, not oxygen..
billyhova21 1 year ago
i agree, this is a backdraft, not a FLASHOVER.
flashover occurs when all items in a room simultaneously reach their combustion temp. and is the stage BEFORE fully developed which this was before they suffocated the fire to create the backdraft and the way you explain the situation, badge5566, you prove yourself wrong
AKitchen033 2 years ago 3
That's a backdraught. It takes a while for the gasses to enter their flammable range having been taken to the 'too rich' mix in the unventilated compartment. As the oxygen saturates the gasses they become flammable again.
Completely different to flashover. See the basic signs and symptoms to understand the difference.
popple29 2 years ago 2
Thats totally a backdraft, look at the smoke, its yellow and puffing. The fire is obviously been going for awhile and they starved it by having the doors closed (the whole container was obviously fully developed before the video started)
A flashover occurs when the fire is still growing, a backdraft happens when the fire is decaying and starving for air, then gets a sudden rush of more air. This video shows a backdraft
FFabber 2 years ago 2
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This is a FLASHOVER
A backdraft is a situation which can occur when a fire is starved of oxygen; consequently combustion ceases but the fuel gases and smoke remain at high temperature. If oxygen is re-introduced to the fire combustion can restart often resulting in an explosive effect as the gases heat and expand.
Due to pressure differentials, these puffs of smoke are sometimes "sucked" back into the enclosed space from which they emanate, which is where the term "backdraft" originates.
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WEFC43 2 years ago
nah a backdraft can take some time to explode. thats a big reason why its so deadly to firefighters.
IzKewl 2 years ago 2
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WEFC43 2 years ago
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never said it was or wasn't a backdraft. just saying that a backdraft rarely happens instantaneously. no disrespect. and no i have little fire training.
IzKewl 2 years ago
Smoke explosion or flashover...Not backdraft
firemedic726 2 years ago 22
@firemedic726 smoke explosion is flashover... the temp rises so high the smoke ignites.
backdraftmagnet 1 year ago 2
@firemedic726 wrong.. this is a backdraft
maerten1 11 months ago
@firemedic726
definitely backdraft
you said it yourself: smoke explosion -> backdraft
to explain it:
everything capable of burning, produces gas, which actually burns, when a fire starts and heats up the whole room, this gas will ignite and therefor the hole room will ignite -> flashover
without oxigen, the gas can't ignite and it's getting more and more, till the fire goes out by itself, open a door when the gas is still hot ->oxygen goes in->gas explodes->backdraft, like in the movie
peuser1 9 months ago
@firemedic726 yeah dude thats not a flashover its a definitely a backdraft
jpothemaster64 9 months ago
@firemedic726 agreed, a backdraft would have immediately sent them flying. thank god my dad (batt. chief) and some friends (volunteers) haven't encountered any
TheSuperZeldaMan 6 months ago
nice:D
weebee7637 2 years ago
hat sich aber gabz schön zeit gelassen
DoYouKnowYour3nemy 2 years ago
this is a backdraft
rommelgi 2 years ago
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vannoy420 2 years ago
To all those who think it is a flashover.
A backdraught doesn't puff like in the movie, it billows out in pulses as you can see in the video. you can also see the air-track as the fire tries to get the oxygen required for combustion, as well as energy-rich yellow tinged gases(smoke) an indicator of a backdraught. A backdraught isn't necessarily instantaneous, they have been known to occur after 40mins.
878NINJA 2 years ago
check out info on compartment fire behaviour, methods developed by the Swedish now adopted by most of europe and down here in Australia
878NINJA 2 years ago
Another name for backdraft is "Smoke Explosion" is is definetly what that is
terminater911 2 years ago
nope, smoke explosion, "brandgasexplosion" is something else. looks similar though
kallebaah0 2 years ago
Definition simply a backdraft. no arguement. yea fire but not a flashover.
Sparticus1027 2 years ago
but on the other hand there is no more f*cking smoke
punisher17011990 2 years ago
...if this were a flashover there would be plenty of fuel to keep that fire rockin'. Be safe!!
mvfc14mvfc14 2 years ago
At first glance I would agree with most of you that this was a flash over. However, remember your definitions. Backdraft occurs because the fire has run out of oxygen which is what they introduced. The contents will have burned down to a smoldering state because the fire esentially snuffs itself. Also notice the fire inside the burn room after the explosion. It dies right out because the fuel has already been consumed.....
mvfc14mvfc14 2 years ago 3
flashover, looks like the flashover simulator we have at the anne aroundle firefighter training acad, nice vid, but change the name
vannoy420 2 years ago
no my friend, that is a perfect backdraft
kallebaah0 2 years ago
no my friend that is not a backdraft
littlehornydevil69 2 years ago
than I suggest you go back to reading "firefighting for dummies" and you might change your opinion..
kallebaah0 2 years ago
really then i bet you think the ocean is reall\y blue
littlehornydevil69 2 years ago
that would be a..FLASHOVER... if it was a backdraft, it would have exploded the second you opened the door.. and i didnt see any puffing.... come on now people
elsalvaje22 2 years ago 3
Hi elsalvaje22. I think that you may be wrong. You didn't see puffing because the door was fully opened so the air and oxygen didn't need to compete. There is a pause in the backdraft because, as you can see, there was SO MUCH smoke that it took a few seconds for the oxygen to get up to the needed concentration in the smoke before ignition could occur. If it were flashover then the fire would continue at the same strength once it flashed. Instead this one practically blows itself out.
BJ1980X 2 years ago 3
bang on man
jmaxwell30 2 years ago
"if it was a backdraft, it would have exploded the second you opened the door"
you are very wrong Im afraid. It can take several minutes until oxygen and gas have the perfect blend for a backdraft to occur. Swedish firefighting academy is world leading when it comes to these things.
kallebaah0 2 years ago
im really sorry my friend but i think that you are incorrect since the united states is in the top leading when it comes to backdraft since they are the oldest fire department ein the world thanis the ecuadorian one so they have more experience o n these type of things greeting from Ecuador
B.C.B.G
DJONEtheorignal 2 years ago
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that's exactly the problem.... experience! US fire departments rely on experience instead of knowledge and education... what worked 20 years ago might not be the correct thing today.
kallebaah0 2 years ago
@ kallebaah0--you are a moron!!! how in the fuck can you rely on knowledge and education with out EXPERIENCE? Trust me the USA adapts to new standards in the fire service so dont try to say we are uneducated...
WEFC43 2 years ago 11
it's a flash over since the smoke wasn't the right color and the physical characteristics of the smoke wasn't matching the deffinition of back draft.
ximan 2 years ago
and also it's a flashover simulator.
ximan 2 years ago
flashover and backdraft are sort of connected in a way. Although 2 different means of fire, one smoldering.. the other being open visible flame, both involve extreme temps in confined areas. Proper venting and cooling will prevent both. Backdraft is confined gasses and heat with little oxygen, flashover is confined gasses oxygen and heat, but without a sudden introduction of oxygen. In short, the primary trigger of a flashover is heat, the trigger of a backdraft is oxygen.
Kopihucky 2 years ago
Why are people saying this is a flashover? It is clearly a backdraft and the Swedish are world leaders in FF technology. Thanks for sharing the video.
Adambrew 2 years ago
thats a flashover simulator
hfd966 2 years ago
and you are?????
why do ya think the door i splitt in half????
smo7sando 2 years ago
Are you talking to me, directly??
hfd966 2 years ago
jepp
smo7sando 2 years ago
that would be a flash over pal you ever
the22duce 2 years ago 2
My friend who is a firefighter in london saved a dude's life when he almost got scorched by backdraft.
headbanger116 2 years ago
you fire chief sure won't put up with that attitude...
SBMS789 2 years ago
AFAIK a flashover occurs when there is still enough oxygen in the air. You have an object on fire. In this room, there are other objects. The smoke and radiation will heat the other objects to the point of ignition. When they are 'warm' enough, they will suddenly be on fire, without having had contact to the burning object or flames. So at a give time you have for example one chair on fire and the next second, everything in the room's on fire!
Tiburon112 2 years ago
its call a flashover buddy
DROthePro 2 years ago
Carre to explain? Cuz I don't think so tbh. To me it looks like a text book backdraft.
What we have here is a confined space with no further supply of oxigen. The fire burns until all the oxygen is gone but the heat remains high enough to ignite the smoke once it mixes with oxygen. When you open the door, air in suckt in and once there is enough oxygen in the mix, it ignites and you see the blow coming towards and out of the door. Also brownish smoke is a sign of backdraft.
Tiburon112 2 years ago 12
I agree with Tiburon. Flashover is when all of the contents of the room reach their ignition point at the same time and combust at the same time. This looks like the addition of fresh air has created a backdraft effect.
intrudor3 2 years ago 4
i'll stand by your side.......first to be absolutly right!!!!!
smo7sando 2 years ago
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@Tiburon112 you are completely right sir..
ralvarados21 1 year ago
Marcus4president, HAHA love your comment, but the last line now go eat a cheeseburger you fat fuck, kinda let it down.
bginn09 2 years ago
i worked installing hardwood for an ex firefighter.. was a pain in the ass the guy would take 100lbs of wood on his sholder n run up 3flights of stairs. n hed want you doin the same!!
lejink 2 years ago
That's a flash over, not a back draft.
FDNY43 2 years ago
im pritty sure that was a flash over not a backdraft,
nodarinfrance 2 years ago
Hey guys . . . my uncle was a firefighter in Connecticut for over 30 years. He is retired, almost 70, and he still goes to the firehouse several times a week to be with the guys. He has seen a couple of generations pass through, and has attended too many funerals. I am very happy that my uncle made it to retirement. He is a kind and peaceful man, and was a conscientious firefighter. I know some of you guys must be too. That is all that really matters.
Lisa3679 3 years ago 9
WHAT A FUCKIN JOKE! A Britsh fuck even wanting to act like he is a fireman. United Kingdom? British any way you look at it. You UK FIRE WANNABEES run your cum guzzling mouths on here about this and that. Your fucking country sucks and the way you idiots fight fire sucks. Grow some balls come over here to the USA and we will be glad to show you. Till then stay on the defensive cause after all thats all you fucks really do!
dept24LT 3 years ago
Ok, so everyone in America is American...??? No, I didn't think so. Anyway u fool, it's good to see that I can get a so called 17 year vet biting like a lilltle bitch...Go run n tell all ur little fag buddies when u go to ur weekly drill night u part time farmer hick retard...And ur right, I'd probably shit my panties if I was ever in the really bad house fires u get everyday in ur village. Just aswell we Brits have got good dipers eh...??? Go flood some more property u buffoon.....
badbhoy1967 3 years ago
have some respect you vollie-buff piece of shit, those are BROTHERS.
ShawnyMartin 3 years ago
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EAT SHIT AND DIE FUCKSTICK!
dept24LT 3 years ago
you have a small-dick complex dont you, stop being such a prick and embarassing the fire service.
ShawnyMartin 3 years ago
Hey fdny fuckstick, stay the fuck out of it. English fuck wanted to start spouting off about shit before knowing the facts. I am career. Small town but union due paying career none the less. I was a vollie for 6 years with one hell of a well trained department. So you wanna stick up for english bitch boy over an american brother go suck a cock you stupid fuck. Better yet move over there.
dept24LT 3 years ago
i didnt make any claim to a department, you shouldnt either. did your wife leave your for a british guy? i don't understand. you know where im from, but dont label any fucking departments on youtube, have some fucking PRIDE and keep your comments to yourself.
ShawnyMartin 3 years ago
I really dont care what department your from or who you are. I have read enough smug ,americans suck british are the shit crap on countless videos. Check out some of the shit the uk fucks say about your 343 brothers on here. Real respectful shit let me tell you. You keep running your NYFD (LIKE THAT!) mouth all you want. Those uk shitheads are not my brothers.
dept24LT 3 years ago