A little suggestion, a little upgrade you could do is to get a retractbale ID lanyard thing and attach the drink tube to your straps. That will bring the CamelBak to the same as the Osprey's magnet. Another advantages it has is it allows you to operate hands free. For example, if I have a close encounter and have to shoot while I'm drinking, I could use my both hands and all I need to do after I'm done drinking is simply let go of the bit valve and it would retract back to the original position
@randytang7 Also, to help with your micro-leak problem, you may want to consider the military version of CamelBak hydration back. It has a quick release connection point which will allow you to add a filter and else, and is much much more rugged. I have two 3-liters bladder stuck in my emergancy pack at all-time and had not experience any leakage. Just a little personal experiences. =)
@randytang7 Thanks for your ideas and for sharing your experiences. The ID lanyard would definitely work well.
I'm afraid that my leaking problem has put me off bladders for good. I'm sure the military ones work a lot better and can take some abuse, but nothing beats the durability of a water bottle, in my opinion.
Because of a bladder's propensity for failure, I carry TWO of the CamelBak 70 Oz bladders, in my CamwlBak BFM tactical pack ... This not only allows for redundant spares (all parts) but also allows for variable content. I can have one for "dirty" water, with an inline filter AND one that has filtered water with electrolyte solution, mixed in. Of course, 4 Liters IS a lot to carry but I do live in Central Texas and I only fill both bladders to capacity when water sources (re-supply) is "iffy".
@phrankus2009 I usually carry a lot of water with me too, but I've given up on bladder systems. I packed up the night before a trip and woke up in the morning to find my pack and all its contents soaked from a micro-leak in the bladder. I was furious. Had it happened in the field it could have been a dangerous situation.
So now I'm back to bottles. Not as convenient as a bladder, but pretty much 0% failure rate.
@ColoradoCamper Agree, on "all that" and, I have had issues with the 2-qt soft military canteens, as well. I do carry a 40oz Kleen-Kanteen and I have the option of carrying the Swiss Ranger Volcano Flask but have not yet integrated that. Eveything, in ALL my packs (including EDC pocket pouches) is either inherently water-proof or is packaged in dry-bags or HD ZipLocs ... I have been using an MTM Survivor Dry-Box (tronics) but kinda heavy and bulky. Far from Ideal ... WEIGHT ! Ahhrg !
@phrankus2009 I keep all my essential gear in dry bags too. I usually stash my camera and electronics in a small roll top dry sack. You could try something like that to save the weight and bulk of a dry box.
@sers333 I believe all the Osprey Hydraforms come with the magnetic clasp to attach to any sternum strap. You don't need to buy it separately and it should fit just about any strap.
i got the osprey this season and i got nothing but good things to say about it.
hands down the drinking/mouth piece is much better then camelbak. (easier and quicker flow to it). The earth magnet option on it is just SWEET!, hook it up to your shoulder strap and it doesn't dangle or get in the way.
the internal support really helps making the backpack conform to your back and really feels comfortable(no bulging or moving around like camelbak).
@kktpp I pretty much agree with your points. Although I must say that a few months after I made this video, my Osprey started leaking so it mush have a very small puncture. I hope you have better luck with yours.
Thanks for this video, I am currently trying to choose a product and it highlighted a few things I hadn't even considered like having somewhere to attach a bladder at the top to stop it from slumping in the pack! Very useful.
Just one thing about filling... It is easy to fill it up with a tap but i find it hard to fill my camel bak at a river that's why I went to a big zip... Good vid well made.
@dbw16d Yes, and the zip-top bladders also seem like they'd be much easier to clean out in between trips.
If you're filling from a river using a pump filter, Camelbak makes an awesome quick disconnect that you can fit into the hose. This lets you attach the pump outlet right to your hose so you can fill the bladder without even taking it out of your pack. Very handy. Unfortunately each company uses different gauge tubing so I can't use it on the Osprey bladder.
By the way... the one "dislike" vote for this video wasn't from me. I liked your video. Very thorough. If you'd like to test a Geigerrig, visit the geigerrig site, click the contact us link and let us know.
The hand pump filter that you speak of is what the GEIGERRIG does. It pumps water right through the filter with one quick plug-and-play, snap-on system that weights just ounces. We have people using the GEIGERRIG to pump water through sawyer filters, MSR filters, Nephros filters, Katadyn filters, etc. The hydration bladder itself does the work without carrying an additional pump. In fact, we have comments on our site from Steripen, Katadyn and Nephros all praising the GEIGERRIG.
Watching your video, I didn't take you for a minimalist... ha ha.. Of course you can blow air in any bladder and make it momentarily dribble out some water along with your back wash and bad breath from hiking all day. And you can wipe sweat off with a bandana. You can also drink from a canteen or from a standard camelbak bladder like the one you displayed, and we can wipe our bums with a leaf...ha ha. But you enjoyed convenience and benefits... Dishwasher safe. Filter. Spray. GEIGERRIG.
Natural water sources are often readily accessible. I understand that in some places such water sources are hard to find. I trained a lot in the desert... The slide top of the GEIGERRIG makes it easier to get water into the bladder no matter what the source. The spray action sprays like the spray handle on your kitchen sink. The filter makes it easy to use water that you find along the way. The inside-out makes it easy to clean in the dishwasher. And...Lifetime Warranty for leakage.
The comments below are meant to be informative.... not argumentative. Communicating this way can sometimes, unfortunately, fail to accurately relay the tone and feeling behind the comments.
@HUBCITYOUTDOOR No worries, the same goes for me. I'm not trying to argue, just giving you my limited thoughts based on your videos. If I had actually used the product I could give it a fair review. Who knows, I could be wrong.
By the way, what is it about In-Line filters that you're not a fan of? Typically, it is because people don't believe in putting stream water in their bladders because they are pitre dishes for bacteria and growth. Or... people don't like having to suck that hard to get the water through the filter. The GEIGERRIG solves both because it can be turned inside out for thorough cleaning in the dishwasher and the pressure pushes the water through the filter. Just some thoughts.
@HUBCITYOUTDOOR Mainly I like a hand pump because it is easy to filter water for a group whereas the in-line filter only really works for the individual or maybe two people sharing. Also, if your in-line filter clogs up on you, then your bladder is useless. Furthermore, most companies offer quick disconnects that allow oyu to hook your hand pump right into your drinking tube so you can fill up without even removing it from your pack. It's just a personal preference for me to use a hand pump.
@HUBCITYOUTDOOR I should also add, regarding the in-line filter, that it would work fine if you have a good sized stream or pond to fill up from. But if the stream is very small, just a trickle, you would have a hard time filling up without getting tons of silt in the bladder. The hand pump inlet hose can easily be placed in less than an inch of water. I just find it more versatile. For example, I can filter melting water from a snow drift that's barely flowing just fine.
A month ago, we had a gear review site tell us the same thing. We sent them a pack to test under one condition... They call us when or if they decided to use the spray. We asked them to maintain their view that spraying was not important. Shortly after receiving the pack, we received a call notifying us that they were spraying. Apparently, 15 min into the hike, salty sweat was dripping in his eyes, and he decided to spray off . He ontinued to enjoy the spray for watering his dog and more.
@HUBCITYOUTDOOR Like I said, you can blow air in any bladder and make it spray and you can wipe sweat off with a bandana. I would call that system "over-engineered," but again, that's just one man's opinion. I'm not attacking your product, just stating my thoughts on it. Hey if you want to send me one for free to try to change my mind, be my guest. I'll even make a video on it.
Seen the new Geigerrig system? Sprays for easy drinking, sharing, cleaning and gear upkeep. Plug-and-play in-line filter. Turns inside out for cleaning in the dishwaser. On-off valve on spray valve. Air chamber maintains structure of the hydration engine. Lifetime warranty for leakage. Selected by 3M for best new hardgoods product - Outdoor Retailer show. Editor's choice for Adventure World Mag. Gear of the year for camping life... Search "Worlds Greatest Hydration Pack" on Youtube.
@HUBCITYOUTDOOR I have seen that, but I don't think it's for me. I'm not a fan of in-line filters; I prefer to fill my bladder with pre-filtered water. I also don't see much benefit for the spraying water as opposed to sucking. If I want my bladder to spray, I can just blow air in it to pressurize it. I do like the inside out cleaning, that would be nice. But for all those bells and whistles, MSRP is $50. The Osprey bladder can be had for under $30. Not for me, but thanks for commenting.
A little suggestion, a little upgrade you could do is to get a retractbale ID lanyard thing and attach the drink tube to your straps. That will bring the CamelBak to the same as the Osprey's magnet. Another advantages it has is it allows you to operate hands free. For example, if I have a close encounter and have to shoot while I'm drinking, I could use my both hands and all I need to do after I'm done drinking is simply let go of the bit valve and it would retract back to the original position
randytang7 2 months ago
@randytang7 Also, to help with your micro-leak problem, you may want to consider the military version of CamelBak hydration back. It has a quick release connection point which will allow you to add a filter and else, and is much much more rugged. I have two 3-liters bladder stuck in my emergancy pack at all-time and had not experience any leakage. Just a little personal experiences. =)
randytang7 2 months ago
@randytang7 Thanks for your ideas and for sharing your experiences. The ID lanyard would definitely work well.
I'm afraid that my leaking problem has put me off bladders for good. I'm sure the military ones work a lot better and can take some abuse, but nothing beats the durability of a water bottle, in my opinion.
ColoradoCamper 2 months ago
Because of a bladder's propensity for failure, I carry TWO of the CamelBak 70 Oz bladders, in my CamwlBak BFM tactical pack ... This not only allows for redundant spares (all parts) but also allows for variable content. I can have one for "dirty" water, with an inline filter AND one that has filtered water with electrolyte solution, mixed in. Of course, 4 Liters IS a lot to carry but I do live in Central Texas and I only fill both bladders to capacity when water sources (re-supply) is "iffy".
phrankus2009 2 months ago
@phrankus2009 I usually carry a lot of water with me too, but I've given up on bladder systems. I packed up the night before a trip and woke up in the morning to find my pack and all its contents soaked from a micro-leak in the bladder. I was furious. Had it happened in the field it could have been a dangerous situation.
So now I'm back to bottles. Not as convenient as a bladder, but pretty much 0% failure rate.
ColoradoCamper 2 months ago
@ColoradoCamper Agree, on "all that" and, I have had issues with the 2-qt soft military canteens, as well. I do carry a 40oz Kleen-Kanteen and I have the option of carrying the Swiss Ranger Volcano Flask but have not yet integrated that. Eveything, in ALL my packs (including EDC pocket pouches) is either inherently water-proof or is packaged in dry-bags or HD ZipLocs ... I have been using an MTM Survivor Dry-Box (tronics) but kinda heavy and bulky. Far from Ideal ... WEIGHT ! Ahhrg !
phrankus2009 2 months ago
@phrankus2009 I keep all my essential gear in dry bags too. I usually stash my camera and electronics in a small roll top dry sack. You could try something like that to save the weight and bulk of a dry box.
ColoradoCamper 2 months ago
The Osprey HydraForm comes with the sternum strap magnet? or we have to buy the accesory for a non osprey backpack.
sers333 2 months ago
@sers333 I believe all the Osprey Hydraforms come with the magnetic clasp to attach to any sternum strap. You don't need to buy it separately and it should fit just about any strap.
ColoradoCamper 2 months ago
i got the osprey this season and i got nothing but good things to say about it.
hands down the drinking/mouth piece is much better then camelbak. (easier and quicker flow to it). The earth magnet option on it is just SWEET!, hook it up to your shoulder strap and it doesn't dangle or get in the way.
the internal support really helps making the backpack conform to your back and really feels comfortable(no bulging or moving around like camelbak).
hope this helps.
kktpp 3 months ago
@kktpp I pretty much agree with your points. Although I must say that a few months after I made this video, my Osprey started leaking so it mush have a very small puncture. I hope you have better luck with yours.
ColoradoCamper 3 months ago
Nice review, next you should do one about Source Military hydration system.^^
nemesiscavalry 3 months ago
I like the fact that the Osprey does not use a Toxic antimicrobial lining like many others do. Not sure bout Camel Back.
WisconsinEric 4 months ago
Thanks for this video, I am currently trying to choose a product and it highlighted a few things I hadn't even considered like having somewhere to attach a bladder at the top to stop it from slumping in the pack! Very useful.
BenightedBivvy 5 months ago
@BenightedBivvy Thanks, I'm glad to be of help.
ColoradoCamper 5 months ago
you shoud have used the antitode camelbak not the omega
SurvivingTheWild101 5 months ago
@SurvivingTheWild101 I just used what I have on hand at the moment
ColoradoCamper 5 months ago
vice versa
afterthefox7 6 months ago
Just one thing about filling... It is easy to fill it up with a tap but i find it hard to fill my camel bak at a river that's why I went to a big zip... Good vid well made.
dbw16d 6 months ago
@dbw16d Yes, and the zip-top bladders also seem like they'd be much easier to clean out in between trips.
If you're filling from a river using a pump filter, Camelbak makes an awesome quick disconnect that you can fit into the hose. This lets you attach the pump outlet right to your hose so you can fill the bladder without even taking it out of your pack. Very handy. Unfortunately each company uses different gauge tubing so I can't use it on the Osprey bladder.
ColoradoCamper 6 months ago
By the way... the one "dislike" vote for this video wasn't from me. I liked your video. Very thorough. If you'd like to test a Geigerrig, visit the geigerrig site, click the contact us link and let us know.
HUBCITYOUTDOOR 8 months ago
The hand pump filter that you speak of is what the GEIGERRIG does. It pumps water right through the filter with one quick plug-and-play, snap-on system that weights just ounces. We have people using the GEIGERRIG to pump water through sawyer filters, MSR filters, Nephros filters, Katadyn filters, etc. The hydration bladder itself does the work without carrying an additional pump. In fact, we have comments on our site from Steripen, Katadyn and Nephros all praising the GEIGERRIG.
HUBCITYOUTDOOR 8 months ago
Watching your video, I didn't take you for a minimalist... ha ha.. Of course you can blow air in any bladder and make it momentarily dribble out some water along with your back wash and bad breath from hiking all day. And you can wipe sweat off with a bandana. You can also drink from a canteen or from a standard camelbak bladder like the one you displayed, and we can wipe our bums with a leaf...ha ha. But you enjoyed convenience and benefits... Dishwasher safe. Filter. Spray. GEIGERRIG.
HUBCITYOUTDOOR 8 months ago
Natural water sources are often readily accessible. I understand that in some places such water sources are hard to find. I trained a lot in the desert... The slide top of the GEIGERRIG makes it easier to get water into the bladder no matter what the source. The spray action sprays like the spray handle on your kitchen sink. The filter makes it easy to use water that you find along the way. The inside-out makes it easy to clean in the dishwasher. And...Lifetime Warranty for leakage.
HUBCITYOUTDOOR 8 months ago
Love to have you test and review one. Go to our website and our "contact us" page.
HUBCITYOUTDOOR 8 months ago
The comments below are meant to be informative.... not argumentative. Communicating this way can sometimes, unfortunately, fail to accurately relay the tone and feeling behind the comments.
HUBCITYOUTDOOR 8 months ago
@HUBCITYOUTDOOR No worries, the same goes for me. I'm not trying to argue, just giving you my limited thoughts based on your videos. If I had actually used the product I could give it a fair review. Who knows, I could be wrong.
ColoradoCamper 8 months ago
By the way, what is it about In-Line filters that you're not a fan of? Typically, it is because people don't believe in putting stream water in their bladders because they are pitre dishes for bacteria and growth. Or... people don't like having to suck that hard to get the water through the filter. The GEIGERRIG solves both because it can be turned inside out for thorough cleaning in the dishwasher and the pressure pushes the water through the filter. Just some thoughts.
HUBCITYOUTDOOR 8 months ago
@HUBCITYOUTDOOR Mainly I like a hand pump because it is easy to filter water for a group whereas the in-line filter only really works for the individual or maybe two people sharing. Also, if your in-line filter clogs up on you, then your bladder is useless. Furthermore, most companies offer quick disconnects that allow oyu to hook your hand pump right into your drinking tube so you can fill up without even removing it from your pack. It's just a personal preference for me to use a hand pump.
ColoradoCamper 8 months ago
@HUBCITYOUTDOOR I should also add, regarding the in-line filter, that it would work fine if you have a good sized stream or pond to fill up from. But if the stream is very small, just a trickle, you would have a hard time filling up without getting tons of silt in the bladder. The hand pump inlet hose can easily be placed in less than an inch of water. I just find it more versatile. For example, I can filter melting water from a snow drift that's barely flowing just fine.
ColoradoCamper 8 months ago
A month ago, we had a gear review site tell us the same thing. We sent them a pack to test under one condition... They call us when or if they decided to use the spray. We asked them to maintain their view that spraying was not important. Shortly after receiving the pack, we received a call notifying us that they were spraying. Apparently, 15 min into the hike, salty sweat was dripping in his eyes, and he decided to spray off . He ontinued to enjoy the spray for watering his dog and more.
HUBCITYOUTDOOR 8 months ago
@HUBCITYOUTDOOR Like I said, you can blow air in any bladder and make it spray and you can wipe sweat off with a bandana. I would call that system "over-engineered," but again, that's just one man's opinion. I'm not attacking your product, just stating my thoughts on it. Hey if you want to send me one for free to try to change my mind, be my guest. I'll even make a video on it.
ColoradoCamper 8 months ago
Seen the new Geigerrig system? Sprays for easy drinking, sharing, cleaning and gear upkeep. Plug-and-play in-line filter. Turns inside out for cleaning in the dishwaser. On-off valve on spray valve. Air chamber maintains structure of the hydration engine. Lifetime warranty for leakage. Selected by 3M for best new hardgoods product - Outdoor Retailer show. Editor's choice for Adventure World Mag. Gear of the year for camping life... Search "Worlds Greatest Hydration Pack" on Youtube.
HUBCITYOUTDOOR 8 months ago
@HUBCITYOUTDOOR I have seen that, but I don't think it's for me. I'm not a fan of in-line filters; I prefer to fill my bladder with pre-filtered water. I also don't see much benefit for the spraying water as opposed to sucking. If I want my bladder to spray, I can just blow air in it to pressurize it. I do like the inside out cleaning, that would be nice. But for all those bells and whistles, MSRP is $50. The Osprey bladder can be had for under $30. Not for me, but thanks for commenting.
ColoradoCamper 8 months ago
Nice video....thanks for sharing!!
TacticalTupperware 8 months ago
@TacticalTupperware Glad you liked it! Cheers
ColoradoCamper 8 months ago