What a crock of shit. This guy and his mates are instrumental in ego brainwashing us. They have discerned the instruments of satan and used them. And they justify themselves by denying spirituality and powers that exist outside our perception of reality.
@TheExpertCritique Jung denied spirituality and powers that exist outside our perception of reality? You should seriously do some research before you bash someone so harshly, because none of what you said has any truth behind it whatsoever.
"WE ARE THE EVIL" I totally agree ! people are selfish and greedy and uncaring of one another.evolution has bred us this way to enable our survival as a species.evolution doesn't need nice people,only survivors.mankind is rotten to the core.
a virtuous person is....not one who undertakes the impossible task of striving for the GOOD and eliminating the BAD, but rather one who is able to maintain a dynamic BALANCE between GOOD AND BAD. We are all related.
haha no, no wonder this guy failed to understands freud knowledge, and he was his mentor!
beasts and the unknown through evolution has been a threat. if animals evolved faster they would by simular logic be a treat. so his logic is flawed, he was wrong about thinking freuds facts about the purpose of biological life is to reproduce, the purpose to spread your genes and so on.
i see yet another cat has misread jung. with a smug superior attitude clouding ur broken bi-focals(smirk). jung not only understood freud better than most who have read him. he was the only working mind scientist to offer a crediable alternative to his theories. which rightly lead to a split between psychiatry and psychology. high lighting a division in the western psyche which has never been dealt with in a satisfactory manner. and still comes down to us now.
@kissemurra12 you see your words only support jung's statement. 'beasts and the unknown throughout evolution has been a threat'. yes, well, i suppose that explains why humans extinct beasts, not the other way around. why humans put humans, as well as beasts, in death camps. beasts are saintly; they do not even have the capacity for evil, following only their own nature. it is only the human, deceived by language and the pride it instills to believe he is superior to all others, who is evil.
Men origin of all evil? Hmm...I can't rule that out. In their 'anima' part of perceptions many still see women as prostitutes, sex-thrill providers etc. They need to rise higher than that.
@ritubahar he used the words humanity, man is often an overarching term referring to "mankind", but your perception speaks clearly to his words, great demonstration
Tell that to all the Illuminati conspirators. I hate that part about you tube. There's ways to find fear in simple shapes numbers and symbols, not to mention everyday things. Screw that, I rather be caught up with logical peaceful living, not perpetual fear.
A moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity expressing our freedom in creative harmonious cooperation for a world that is so POTENTIALLY AND ACTUALLY nourishing. Capitalism in any form, Statist or Corporatist is the denial of our common humanity in a politically manipulated,tyrannical armed MARKET SYSYTEM of artificial scarcity that is designed to perpetuate the enslavement of immense humanity for material interest of the criminal ruling elite.
People are the origin of all coming evil because...
"People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own soul."... - C.G. Jung. They will do ANYTHING to escape their 'darker' emotions, which then become unbearably toxic and then projected onto the world itself.
His words matter inasmuch as the clothes you wear; what would allow you to walk around naked would also allow us to change the world. Don't be stupid, you little pieces of shit. I'm the fucking devil coming for you little assholes. Don't forget to write home when you're brain is fried well-done. I think we should bring back lobotomies as a common practice to alter the living state of human beings -- totalitarian rule, mother-fuckers. ;-)
His words matter inasmuch as the clothes you wear; what would allow you to walk around naked will also allow us to change the world. Don't be stupid, you little pieces of shit. I'm the fucking devil coming for you little assholes. Don't forget to write home when you're brain is fried well-done. I think we should bring back lobotomies as a common practice to alter the living state of human beings -- totalitarian rule, mother-fuckers. ;-)
Please, Could someone traduce or just write what Mr Jung says? I am not a Native English speaker and it is difficult for me understand just by listening. PLease,please please
@elduroduroduro Jung said, "you know, man doesn't stand forever his nullification. once there will be a reaction, and I see it setting in. You know, when i think of my patients, they all seek their own existence, and to assure their existence against that complete atomization into nothingness, or into meaninglessness. Man cannot stand a meaningless life." that's about 40 seconds of it. I know you posted this a whole month ago but I thought I'd translate anyhow.
Its amazing how blunt and straight to the point he is in his interviews, thankyou so much for sharing I really enjoy watching interviews of Jung, However to get back to what he is actually saying quite clearly that man is the evil of the world. That is to be said without a doubt. Men and women walk around creating evil through the lack of contentment throughout there lives. My question is why? WHY?
I have no problem with meaninglessness. The purposeless fractal is glorious! I find it comforting to know that no mission needs to be accomplished other than to simply submit to Godhead's perpetual dynamism. There is no searching when there is only ~OM~
This is my argument for religion, it isn't religion because religion is made by "man" it is the the MAN himself which is the problem. And I believe man will destroy himself.
@MsAfricanIndian Why are we here? As in what's the meaning to our existence? I would be a liar if I said I knew. But in all honesty what does it matter? All that matters is the here and now. If our life has no meaning, and we seize to exist tomorrow I'd like to think that I lived my life fully and experienced all there was to experience. Just my opinion though.
@MsAfricanIndian Why are we here? As in what's the meaning to our existence? I would be a liar if I said I knew. But in all honesty what does it matter? All that matters is the here and now. If our life has no meaning, and we seize to exist tomorrow I'd like to think that I lived my life fully and experienced all there was to experience. Just my opinion though.
@carlo88moe Moved you enough to take the time to bitch about it on youtube. But from a glimpse at your profile it doesn't seem like you have much else to occupy your time with. Moping and feeling sorry for yourself can only waste so much of your life.
@inkstaincomixwow, i'm honored you WASTED TIME inferring inane things to try to lambast me with! who's wasting time? way to project a load of bullshit unto someone to minimize how pathetic you ar, that's called distraction, you're an ace at it--and no, your comment doesn't gain any cache of respect, it's still a brainless echo you've used to create the illusion of intelligence for yourself
@carlo88moe No sir, I did not infer, I am quite sure that you are a dickless peon "keyboard commando". Trying to be an ass to folks online all from the safety behind your computer screen. Glad to see mommy and daddy's money is going to good use with your college education. Go back to cutting yourself and listening to emo music.
@inkstaincomix keyboard commando,emo wrist cutter?Way to employ those trite caricatures?Just the sort of nonsense an idiot would try to discredit someone.You're so lame,lol,admonishing me with"mommy's boy"&other fatuous bullshit.You're like a parody of yourself.If u were smarter I'd say u were satirizing the lame shit people retort with after being thoroughly e-slapped,but that'd be giving you mounds of intellect I can tell you don't have.Stop replying,youre embarrassing yourself
@carlo88moe Why are you so upset? I write a simple comment, and you go off on this nonsensical tirade. Why not do something constructive and relative to the video instead of trolling on youtube. The only one embarrassing themselves is yourself. While my original comment was nothing "groundbreaking", it wasn't intended to be. It was simply a quote I enjoyed, and apparently other viewers agreed. Not sure why you've chosen youtube as your soapbox but hey more power to you. Peace.
@inkstaincomix no, you're right, i was being an ass, but i thought my first comment was innocuous enough, i was poking a lil fun, that's all, but you took rather severely and started making personal attacks,which i then responded to...whatever,my bad...
Humans are not born evil , but if they are guided by there mind ego and not their true self , they will be weak and easily tricked . Its not so complicated ..
@NinetiesYouth Maybe some are , maybe they are without a soul . Been a while since I watched this maybe jung is talking about his kind ? He is therefore correct lol .
@NinetiesYouth What the hell are you talking about? Yes there are miniscule amount of genes predisposed to their parent/s makeup, but certainly not all. The same as some child abusers/wife beaters will carry on 'learned behaviour', but NOT all.
Oh lord, numerology fanatics, new age fanatics, all coming here spouting second hand bullshit. Do you guys have ANY SELF-understanding, or is it all shit you dig up from books to make yourselves feel good and like you're getting somewhere?
The human soul has just as much potential for darkness as goodness, and this is just as much a part of its beauty and power as anything else.
@Walley666 I agree, the latest disaster in Japan shows how disconnected with those helpful voices from the depth of the psyche. In the video "Matter of Heart" One of Jung's students spoke of a letter that Jung wrote where he had a vision of a great disaster in 50 years; one that we may or may not overcome. He had this vision the year he Jung died (1961). For those that don't know Jung had visions of WWI and WWII We must know our inner mind least we suffer at its (our own) hands.
@Walley666 I agree, the latest disaster in Japan shows how disconnected with those helpful voices from the depth of the psyche. In the video "Matter of Heart" One of Jung's students spoke of a letter that Jung wrote where he had a vision of a great disaster in 50 years; one that we may or may not overcome. He had this vision the year he Jung died (1961). For those that don't know Jung had visions of WWI and WWII We must know our inner mind least we suffer at its (our own) hands.
"The only real danger that exists in man itself"? Try breathing in an air filled room of O3, or defending against a stampeding elephant, or survive in space, survive a direct asteroid impact...
We're also the origin of all good but he doesn't mention that. Unless good can only be mindless, which is pretty pointless. We might as well kill ourselves eh?
@ThisWorldWillBeMine that's true but when you make something good, and then, something bad, people will always remember the bad thing instead of the good one. I think that's what we see on the current days. So yeah, as you said, we might as well kill ourselves...
@Denil0 Well I overreacted, cause I hate it when I hear people put down the only force in the known universe capable of making any changes. I get it from a few people.
That which causes harm or destruction or misfortune, yup sounds like humans to me.. but that doesn't mean thats all we are. A large slice of the pie, yes.. hope not to big but it is there nonetheless.
No species can grow forever, we are not separate from nature, we are nature.... we balance ourselves just like another life form. We die like everything, our technology has allowed us to see death around the earth. However this death has happened for centuries, now we can see it. Naturally our empathy would want to correct it, sadly it cannot. People will always die. We are playing a game of musical chairs, where someone loses... This life... Is chaos.
@useruseruser111 Humans created ideas like "good" and "bad". Without humans, there is no good or bad. Everything just is. Some things are beneficial and positive, and others are destructive and negative. Some things are negative for one thing but positive for another, and vice versa. If you wish to believe in good and bad, right or wrong, then you must first make a hierarchical list of the most important things down to the least. And who are we to do that?
@DaveLeech1989 Read my post i said nothing about good or bad but destruction and misfortune like to our planet, or as in suffering. Yes we label good and bad, give it an existence by the brain coming from knowledge acquired through our senses or our ideas based on experiences based from believed thought. So no i don't wish to believe in good and bad? An hierarchical list of the most important things down to the least would never work because we create whats important to us.
pls don't quote stats without some kind of citation - otherwise its rubbish. And even if there were such a survey, the definition of "evil" alone is highly subjective so any questionnare used would be very open to criticism; also, one can't talk about the inherent evil of person's nature with out considering the nature of the environment; all men are capable of "evil" in certain circumstances
@cetnikz "...the majority of people in his general field at the time" refers to a period beginning in1907 and extending for decades afterward. During this period Jung convinced people that there is such a thing as the Shadow, that there is such a thing as an introvert and an extravert, and that he had the ability to interpret other people's dreams. Those are three of the hoaxes he pulled off.
@LadyDesEsseintes Jung says that every single person has a Shadow. He equates the Shadow with Original Sin. Yet he proposes a cure (Individuation). First he says that everyone is born with the Shadow (nature), but then says it consists of "split-off aspects" (nurture). In other words, one is born with the Shadow and then gradually acquires it. This is the same argument he uses with psychological types. I did not connect the Shadow with Original Sin. Jung did.
@LadyDesEsseintes It is preaching when a famous psychiatrist goes on national television and says that all humans, female and male, all culltures and religions, everyone who has ever lived or is now alive is evil. It is preaching when he equates the Shadow with Original Sin (p. 107, The Undiscovered Self, Mentor Books 1957). If one is not an orthodox Christian then Original Sin does not exist. If one is not a Jungian the Shadow does not exist. Most people don't even know who Jung is.
@jsltm888 "We" is a collective pronoun that applies to all humans who have ever lived. Jung is saying that all humans are inherently evil. That is not necessarily true. The Shadow is a scare tactic invented by Jung to draw followers. He creates a problem where there is none, thereby setting himself up as the solution.
@Darrell861 All beings are born with ego, is the initial tool of all evil done on this earth, I-ME-MINE and the ego driven motives of self survival. If I take from you I can survive better etc. 10% of the worlds population is pure evil-ego-greed-self centered. 30% follow them copy them, the remaining 60% are either leaders of truth, group dynamic, compassion, nurture mankind and all life. They see and have risen above greed-ego-self, and embrace all life as the vehicle of consciousness!
@chakrachaser The figures 10%, 30% and 60% comprise a blanket statement. Without defining a subset, they apply to all humans, female, male, all cultures, all religions, and everyone who has ever lived. It is impossible to validate these figures. Jung made similar claims without any validation. As such, he was a preacher.
@Darrell861 Any one can do a poll, survey of a people in any culture. Confidence interval is the key. These statistics are as valid for seeking who is egotistical-I-me-mine oriented as to who will drive an electric car over a gas powered car, or who will get a gun- kill a deer or who will provide wild life sanctions for them to survive. Its all in ones psychic make up, who raised them, who influenced them, how much contagion of aberration was indoctrinated into their make up. Fundamental stuff!
@Darrell861 This is where common sense comes into play, who do you think has your best interest at heart, is more likely to steal from you commit an evil act against your survival?
The Dalai Lama or Al Capone? Paris Hilton, or Mother Teresa?
@chakrachaser The Dalai Lama is one of the good guys. Al Capone is one of the bad guys. Mother Theresa is one of the good guys. Paris Hilton is one of the bad guys. Carl Jung is...Huh?
@LadyDesEsseintes All of John Freeman's videos on this site depict Jung preaching. The very statement "We are the evil" rings of a televangilist. Also, antedeluvian alarms about the future constitute preaching. Claiming to have a solution (Individuation and integrating the Shadow and reaching the True Self) is preaching. Most people in the world have no idea who Jung is. The only people who use the term Shadow are Jungians. If one is not a Jungian, the Shadow does not exist.
Yes, we know nothing about ourselves. We shall be mystery still for many centuries. But there lived some daredevils who challenged to this secret -.... and struggled with legions of demons, to make out and win the inner man: both the Shadow (Evil), and Light (Good). These are Saints of all times and peoples. There is the Christ, the Buddha, and all founders of great religions. Geniuses could recognize themselves in lesser degree.
@10axyz p.267 Christ and Buddha were not psychiatrists who made the unethical claim to have the infallible ability to interpret dreams. They were not pathological liars who deliberately tested the gullibility of their followers (CW3,par. 557). Jung's Shadow has nothing o do with Evil. Jung's followers compared him to Buddha. He didn't. On p.267 of "Man and His Symbols" (Dell paperback 1964) Aniela Jaffe does with a specious analogy between Jung's psychological types and Buddha's Ten Points.
@Darrell861 If you will be tolerant to my bad English.... Yes, Jung is not Buddha, but has great mind and intuition, penetrating most deeply into subconsciousness. His knowledge is limited by his bourgeois environment; my environment has given me more severe experience. I approve - Shadow of Jung is Evil and demonic forces in the personality of man(cultural man especially), while - not recognized. To meet its face to face - only very strong man presumes ( Christ and Buddha among them).
@10axyz On p.107 of "The Undiscovered Self"(Mentor Books, 1957) Jung equates the Shadow with Original Sin which was an invention of St. Paul. If one is not a Christian, there is no Original Sin; not a Jungian,no Shadow. One is born and dies with Original Sin. No cure.The Shadow is defined as those split off aspects which may be embarrassing. One is not born with the Shadow and it can be cured hrough individuation by which it is integrated. It has nothing to do with demons or Evil.
@Darrell861 Negative aspects of the personality - not the invention of St. Paul, but really existing complexes of energy in the form of destructive passions. The destiny has forced me to glance in that dark world, and I have understood: part of it (hatred and violence) is necessary for a survival in severe society. Other part (desire of glory, authority) prevents to creative growth. Name doesn't change essence of these forces. Most dark part: violence - has everyone.
@Darrell861 i disagree that original sin and original sin have nothing to do with the shadow.. if anything, the concept of original sin and the perceived spiritual attack by evil forces is caused by denying the shadow to the point of psychosis. you ignore your shadow long enough and it will utilize archetypes of demons and evil to demand you pay attention.
@arfmcarf Pardon me, but I do not have a shadow. It is a term invented by Jung and used only by Jungians such as yourself. If my demons haven't reared their heads by now they never will. That's because they don't exist.
@Darrell861 it is refreshing to hear that there actually is a living human being that has never been quick to anger or found themselves in a bad mood. you must be jesus.
@arfmcarf It is documented that in 1914 Jung entered a prolonged period of psychosis during which he experienced waking visions and intense dreams. He saw demons, called them the Shadow, and claimed he integrated them. He generalized from personal experience and began preaching about leading his followers to the True Self. if he wants to preach, fine. But preaching has no place in the practice of psychiatry. The Shadow does not exist outside the Jungian religion.
These interviews were conducted by John Freeman. He also wrote the introduction to "Man and His Symbols." He says Jung appointed him to have the final say as to the book's content because he represented the "Average" Man. He goes on to say that Marie-Louise von Franz also had edited the book. (p.v.ii-viii) It wasn't published until after Jung died. Jung did not edit the book, as the front cover says. It was written and edited by his followers.
Yes carl you are the evil , whats your point oh Im evil to ? no carl you and your kind are , you think you bring us all in it saves you somehow no carl ..
@enlighten09 Here's an undocumented Jung quote: “Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.” You are right. The finger points both ways. The 911 attacks irritated me. That doesn't make me a terrorist. Gurus like Jung like to not only make balanket statements about the human condition, but use scare tactics as well. Get the follower to mistrust himself, and the guru has gained control. He creates a problem where there is none.
@Darrell86 I read some of Freuds nonsense when I was teenage , and was astounded at the utter crap people will believe . If media push these morons as geniuses everyone just follows sheeple . It is the same with Dawkins . Thanks D ...
@enlighten09 I got an email that said you posted on my profile. I looked at my facebook account, but it isn't there yet. Let's chat. Sounds like we might be in agreement about Jung.
@freudian456 The opening pages of The Interpretation of Dreams have to do with hypermnesic dreams. In other words, stray memories from years earlier which then pop up spontaneously in later life. Most notably, the dream of Marny which, like the other four examples, were interpreted by the dreamer. The dreams have no meaning. The dreamers interpret their own dreams. Hypermnesic experiences can also explain away some of the examples of the Collective Unconscious presented by Jung
@freudian456 I study and discredit Jung because he is so entertaining. On p.42 of Man And His Symbols he says that he does not have the ability to interpret dreams. He calls them "vague, flimsy and unreliable." He also says they are difficult tounderstand, and elsewhere he says there is no direct and striaghtforward interprettion of any dream. Yet in 1957 Jung said that in 1907 he interpreted 11 dreams a day for two years (CW3,par.557). Jung was a master at the one-liner. He is so amusing.
@enlighten09 As for misleading the masses, the same applies to Jung. As for not being interested in helping people, that also applies. On p.134-36 of Memories Dreams Reflections Jung unilaterally interprets the dream of a normal doctor and bases a diagnosis on that interpretation. He tells the reader that the doctor was "within a hair's breadth of dying. Yet he does not inform the doctor of his "diagnosis." Jung thereby commits three ethical violations, including breaking the Hippocatic Oath.
@freudian456 No I just hope that you can question your behavior , and come to a better understanding of why you do things . Of course its a waste of time as your ego will choose some lame response .
@enlighten09 When the Rutgers and Yale debate teams meet in competition, neither side resorts to personal ad hominem attacks. If one of the competitors feels cornered because he cannot come up with a counterpoint, he doesn't respond, "You're just insecure about your own shortcomings. You have an ego problem.”That’s not the way a debate works. The issue here is Jung. Respond to the specific criticism. Present a counterpoint. If you cannot, then concede the point.
@RepublicAgent Hey, Republic. How ya' doin? By the way, this is a forum, a site for debate and exchange of ideas. If you have nothing to say about dream interpretation (the topic here) then might I suggest Facebook? You can watch cool videos, see baby pictures, or tell your friends about the coffe you are drinking. If you do have anything to say about Jung and dream interpretation, please join in.
@RepublicAgent I misunderstood you. I thought you were belittling a serious discussion. If so, my bad. My bad. Anyway, do you have any comments on dream interpretation and Jung in general? Let's chat.
My only thought is this: dreams seem subjective. Even if two people had similar dreams, I would hestiate to say they would meaning of the dream would be similar.
Now, I suppose if some study was done about the individual and the dream was taken into context, maybe. But still, I can't see dream interpretation ever becoming a legitimate science.
@RepublicAgent Glad for the chat and once again, if I rubbed you the wrong way, my bad. Anyway, it looks like we agree. Dreams are the epitome of a subjective experience. And here it is 2010, Jung has passed in 1961, and we've had plenty of time for studies. Yet Jungians still insist not only that all dreams have meaning, but that it is possible for one person to interpret the dreams of another person.
@Darrell861 Let me toss this out. How could Jung, as a licensed psychiatrist, tell his clients that he could interpret dreams when in fact, no one or no institution trained him in that skill? I can see a qualified DNA expert testifying in court, but I fail to see similar qualifications for a dream interpreter.
@Nessie1001 exactly, so we might as well throw some more chemicals in the loop. 80% of people on anti-depressants have a relapse when they stop taking thier drugs. so keep on shoven them down your throat. you'll have severe liver and kidney damage but you won't be depressed.
Remote mind control is real. Watch " Dr Colin Ross on C.I.A mind control " What he states is declassified from the 1960's. What they are doing today is classified and are crimes against humanity. No implants needed today to monitor your thoughts and whereabouts. It's done by emitting and controlling E.L.F waves from 1 to 10 Hz into your mind by means of compressed microwave radiation sent through cell phone towers and by satellite. Learn what Nikola Tesla knew 100 years ago. Peace out.
@7711ish By your suggestion I went to the Ross website and read his article on extramission. He used the term in the context of "the evil eye," but I think it also might manifest itself as charisma. I see no other explanation for how Jung was able to convince his followers that he had the ability to interpret dreams. There is nothing secret about Jung's writing. No experiments, no goggles etc. All one has to do is read his writings and see contradictions, fallacies and lies.
@Darrell861 There is good and bad in everything. You mentioned the evil eye, well the truth is man is playing the role of God with all of us. (False God) Does it make sense to you that our good creator would create life and all that is needed to sustain it for free. then turn around and torture his creations and enslave them by monetary means. That is the work of man, evil men. Read Genesis 3:22 It is also the number of the renowned skull and bones society at Yale. Peace out
@7711ish I did not bring up the evil eye. Ross did. He was talking about intramission:: how an individual can process non-verbal communication. Extramission would be how one exudes charisma and influences another. Such a person could be a guru like Jung, who convinced his followers that he had the ability to interpret dreams. I am not comfortable with discussions about God, the Bible, or good vs. evil. I focus on gurus like Jung and Dr. Phil. Thanks for the response.
@Darrell861 I was referring to your previous comment on the evil eye from Ross. We are all deceived by these secret societies. They lie like the wind blows. They suppress the real truth with respect to how far they are advanced with technology and leave us all behind. I can say this because a good friend of mine possessed knowledge of their operations and they erased his memory by remote means. He won't be telling the truth now. They have silenced him.
@7711ish Extramission would lead into the more general issue of gurus; how do they gain their control? Jung was able to convince his followers that simply because he was an expert on comparative religion and mythology, that made him qualified to interpret dreams of a particular person. Ross seems to be saying that extramission exists, and that there are experiiments to demonstrate it. Pardon me for going on the Jungian tangent, but after all, you did drop in on a Jungian chat room.
@Darrell861 I really guess how did you develop such bad opinion about Jung. I would say that, being myself a scientist, C. G. Jung is one of my favorite writers and I found is work deeply inspiring. I can not find such "guru" aspects you constantly mention.
@dblazquezsanz Gurus like to make blanket staements about the human condition:Everyone is either an introvet or an extravert, and has a shadow. Gurus like to use scare tactics and create problems where there are none. Gurus claim to have gone through a prolonged period of inner self-doubt but have made it through. They claim to be at point B while their followers are still at pont A. The guru claims to lead the followers down the path and eventually reach their Self.
@dblazquezsanz Human samples of tissue or blood contain DNA which can be analyzed and interpreted. This is a given. But if someone has a dream, writes it down and submits that sample to anyone, it is not a given that it contains a meaning which can be analyzed and interpreted. All accounts of dreams are anecdotal and as such cannot be construed as data. One cannot scientifically analyze that which is not data. The only thing less scientific than dream interpretation is playing the kazoo.
@Darrell861 Dear Darrell, as a scientist I can not agree with you. Most of my work is in mathematical physics so I do reflect a lot about the nature of data and its quantitative and qualitative analysis. Of course, dreams and fantasies are as real as the blood pulse is, and therefore data. To consider some data as anecdotal or essential is always a subjective, and generally consensual, choice.
@dblazquezsanz Last night I dreamed that I was on a yacht somewhere in Scandanavia. It was dusk and there was a city on the shoreline.There was a range of mountains in the background. I wanted to climb one of the mountains. There's your "data. " Now interpret my dream unilaterally without meeting me or talking with me. You might say you specialize in mathematical physics and so lack the training necessary to interpret my dream. Well, Jung didn't have any such training either.
@Darrell861 My data is that you wrote this message. The tone of your message make me distrust it is a real dream, I don't know. My interpretation of your message is that you do not like Jung psychology at all, specially. In answer to your final comment I can add, as researcher, that we need people developing new paradigms and methodologies. Of course, they can not be trained in! No university offers degree on pioneering!
@dblazquezsanz You are right. I had that dream 20 years ago. My point is that accounts of dreams can be invented, distorted or paritally forgotten. As such, they are flawed. That which is flawed cannot constitute data. As for pioneering, c'mon. Here it is 2010 and dream interpretation has not yet been formulated. If Jung was a pioneer, he was a pioneer who never reached the New World, nor the Pacific Ocean. His interpretations remained as, "Well, let's try this way. Or that way."
@dblazquezsanz We agree that it is impossible to train someone in dream interpretation. If no one or academic institution trained Jung the the question becomes a matter of how he acquired the ability. Simple. He was self-proclaimed. I would like to see a third option: #1)not trained. #2) not self-proclaimed. #3)...fill in the blanks... What is the third option?
@Darrell861 No, we do not agree, please check your logic. It seems that you think that Jung was merely a cheater. I do appreciate Jung works as some of the best, deepest and smartest writings I have ever read. I consider them important contributions to science. That's all.
@dblazquezsanz "Of course, they can not be trained in! No university offers degree on pioneering!" This is a quote from you just this evening. We agree that nobody trained Jung in dream interpretation. Substituting dream interpretation with pioneering is an obfuscation. A pioneer is one who has not yet achieved his goal. At best he makes his way along by improvising. Jung made his way by making up interpretations as he went along. DNA analysis does not require any more pioneering.
@dblazquezsanz Jung was not a cheater. He was a psychiatrist who operated unethically by claiming to have a qualification which he did not have. He did not have the ability to interpret dreams. We agree that no one trained him. He made dreams mean what he wanted them to mean on an ad hoc basis. He never formed a coherent approach to dream interpretation. As a pioneer. he never got anywhere. And no one is here today to take his place as a "pioneer."
@dblazquezsanz A DNA analyst was allowed to testify at the OJ Simpson trial. But not even Lance Ito would allow Jung or any self-proclaimed dream interpreter to testify in his court. Jung:"Yes, Mr Cochran. I was Simpson's psychotherapist. He told me of a dream in which he saw himself murdering Nicole. I interpreted the dream as indicating a latent psychosis." Cochran: "Simpson is not responsible for his actions because of a latent psychosis. We plead insanity."
Carl Jung has been writing many interesting things.I like his ways of describing the person as consisting of many layers,the persona(the mask),anima ,animus,the shadow part,the hero and the self. I think the ideas about the self is most fascinating.I really like what i have read with this person.
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I rather accept the concept that we can be the origin of all evil if we choice to under certain human spiritual uneasiness and disaster but we are not mainly born as origin of all evil.I hope if Jung has fund himself the origin of all evil then his treatment on his patient would be evil one maybe.
Things you should try; Cymbalta, get more nutrients, spend some time outside in a public place, talk to people (other than yourself), become a more precisely analytical person, wake the hell up - seriously don't be such a douche.
What a crock of shit. This guy and his mates are instrumental in ego brainwashing us. They have discerned the instruments of satan and used them. And they justify themselves by denying spirituality and powers that exist outside our perception of reality.
TheExpertCritique 3 weeks ago
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@TheExpertCritique Jung denied spirituality and powers that exist outside our perception of reality? You should seriously do some research before you bash someone so harshly, because none of what you said has any truth behind it whatsoever.
JNathanK2011 1 week ago
"WE ARE THE EVIL" I totally agree ! people are selfish and greedy and uncaring of one another.evolution has bred us this way to enable our survival as a species.evolution doesn't need nice people,only survivors.mankind is rotten to the core.
THAT SUCKS !!
bowmaker11 4 weeks ago
a virtuous person is....not one who undertakes the impossible task of striving for the GOOD and eliminating the BAD, but rather one who is able to maintain a dynamic BALANCE between GOOD AND BAD. We are all related.
blazewb1 1 month ago
@blazewb1 nice comment
jobedied 1 month ago
THEY SAY Gerina Dove is a shill ~
DOVESbloodyDEATH 2 months ago
Jung psychoanalyzed the Nazi leaders for the American government in 1943...if ever there was a man for the job, he was it.
squamish4244 2 months ago
haha no, no wonder this guy failed to understands freud knowledge, and he was his mentor!
beasts and the unknown through evolution has been a threat. if animals evolved faster they would by simular logic be a treat. so his logic is flawed, he was wrong about thinking freuds facts about the purpose of biological life is to reproduce, the purpose to spread your genes and so on.
kissemurra12 3 months ago
@kissemurra12
i see yet another cat has misread jung. with a smug superior attitude clouding ur broken bi-focals(smirk). jung not only understood freud better than most who have read him. he was the only working mind scientist to offer a crediable alternative to his theories. which rightly lead to a split between psychiatry and psychology. high lighting a division in the western psyche which has never been dealt with in a satisfactory manner. and still comes down to us now.
skyjuiceification 2 months ago 4
@skyjuiceification Well said! Jung was way beyond his time, and perhaps still beyond ours.
inkstaincomix 12 hours ago
@kissemurra12 you see your words only support jung's statement. 'beasts and the unknown throughout evolution has been a threat'. yes, well, i suppose that explains why humans extinct beasts, not the other way around. why humans put humans, as well as beasts, in death camps. beasts are saintly; they do not even have the capacity for evil, following only their own nature. it is only the human, deceived by language and the pride it instills to believe he is superior to all others, who is evil.
misterwackydoodle 3 weeks ago
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LifeAsItIsNow 3 months ago
Men origin of all evil? Hmm...I can't rule that out. In their 'anima' part of perceptions many still see women as prostitutes, sex-thrill providers etc. They need to rise higher than that.
ritubahar 3 months ago
@ritubahar He meant 'humans', obviously.
squamish4244 2 months ago
@ritubahar he used the words humanity, man is often an overarching term referring to "mankind", but your perception speaks clearly to his words, great demonstration
sethwillis86 2 months ago
'Man cannot stand a meaningless life'. That's so very true. Atleast to me.
ocarina2boy 3 months ago
Tell that to all the Illuminati conspirators. I hate that part about you tube. There's ways to find fear in simple shapes numbers and symbols, not to mention everyday things. Screw that, I rather be caught up with logical peaceful living, not perpetual fear.
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arzoyan 3 months ago
People are the origin of all coming evil because...
"People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own soul."... - C.G. Jung. They will do ANYTHING to escape their 'darker' emotions, which then become unbearably toxic and then projected onto the world itself.
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His words matter inasmuch as the clothes you wear; what would allow you to walk around naked would also allow us to change the world. Don't be stupid, you little pieces of shit. I'm the fucking devil coming for you little assholes. Don't forget to write home when you're brain is fried well-done. I think we should bring back lobotomies as a common practice to alter the living state of human beings -- totalitarian rule, mother-fuckers. ;-)
brandtonybrand 4 months ago
His words matter inasmuch as the clothes you wear; what would allow you to walk around naked will also allow us to change the world. Don't be stupid, you little pieces of shit. I'm the fucking devil coming for you little assholes. Don't forget to write home when you're brain is fried well-done. I think we should bring back lobotomies as a common practice to alter the living state of human beings -- totalitarian rule, mother-fuckers. ;-)
brandtonybrand 4 months ago
@brandtonybrand I agree...
TheSolodorn 3 months ago
Man is positivly extracting himself from negativity`s strong hold on conciousness`s self "freedom"!
TheLetsbegin 4 months ago
0:50 - "We know NOTHING of man!" such powerful, powerful words....
juresaiyan 5 months ago
Too Fracking Right We Are!
gantonk 5 months ago
Thank you thank you thank you Lisarata. I really appreciate it.
ArturoBotas 5 months ago
What a great man. Those words are surely the most important warning humankind has received in recent time.
wks1978 5 months ago
Spoken like a true champ. He really knew what he was talking about and its incredible how right he is even to this day.
Balla4life3 6 months ago
Please, Could someone traduce or just write what Mr Jung says? I am not a Native English speaker and it is difficult for me understand just by listening. PLease,please please
elduroduroduro 6 months ago
@elduroduroduro Jung said, "you know, man doesn't stand forever his nullification. once there will be a reaction, and I see it setting in. You know, when i think of my patients, they all seek their own existence, and to assure their existence against that complete atomization into nothingness, or into meaninglessness. Man cannot stand a meaningless life." that's about 40 seconds of it. I know you posted this a whole month ago but I thought I'd translate anyhow.
Lisarata 5 months ago
No John, you are the demons.
WSWarthog 7 months ago
I agree 100% - we (humans in general) are the cause of all the bullshit in the world.
dobbins2550 8 months ago
where con you get this full interview?
torres1108 8 months ago
Wonderful clip! We cause what is.
Tao33316 8 months ago
@Tao33316 No. People like you do,
carriemaizey 7 months ago
Its amazing how blunt and straight to the point he is in his interviews, thankyou so much for sharing I really enjoy watching interviews of Jung, However to get back to what he is actually saying quite clearly that man is the evil of the world. That is to be said without a doubt. Men and women walk around creating evil through the lack of contentment throughout there lives. My question is why? WHY?
Heightenself 9 months ago
@Heightenself hey you should read 'The Lucifer Principle' by Howard Bloom, an extraordinary book that just might answer your question.
finlan9 8 months ago
@finlan9 Thanks so much i'll look it up should be exactly what im looking for: new material for my fanze I presume you can buy it online?
Heightenself 8 months ago
@Heightenself yes i bought it on amazon, sent from america to ireland in a couple of weeks, i hope you get it, i recommend it to everyone
finlan9 8 months ago
I have no problem with meaninglessness. The purposeless fractal is glorious! I find it comforting to know that no mission needs to be accomplished other than to simply submit to Godhead's perpetual dynamism. There is no searching when there is only ~OM~
PrimeConsciousness 9 months ago
This is my argument for religion, it isn't religion because religion is made by "man" it is the the MAN himself which is the problem. And I believe man will destroy himself.
yoyuepz 9 months ago 2
"the only real danger that exist is man himself, he is the great danger....We are the origin of all coming evil" powerful words.
inkstaincomix 9 months ago 30
@inkstaincomix y r we here?
MsAfricanIndian 4 months ago
@MsAfricanIndian Why are we here? As in what's the meaning to our existence? I would be a liar if I said I knew. But in all honesty what does it matter? All that matters is the here and now. If our life has no meaning, and we seize to exist tomorrow I'd like to think that I lived my life fully and experienced all there was to experience. Just my opinion though.
inkstaincomix 4 months ago
@MsAfricanIndian Why are we here? As in what's the meaning to our existence? I would be a liar if I said I knew. But in all honesty what does it matter? All that matters is the here and now. If our life has no meaning, and we seize to exist tomorrow I'd like to think that I lived my life fully and experienced all there was to experience. Just my opinion though.
inkstaincomix 4 months ago
@inkstaincomix I'm with you man
PlaceForEverything01 3 months ago
@inkstaincomix
SO TRUE!
GnosisMan50 1 month ago
@inkstaincomix thanks, i'm sure we needed that reminder after forgetting it in the climax of a clip that's one fucking minute long
carlo88moe 2 days ago
@carlo88moe Moved you enough to take the time to bitch about it on youtube. But from a glimpse at your profile it doesn't seem like you have much else to occupy your time with. Moping and feeling sorry for yourself can only waste so much of your life.
inkstaincomix 1 day ago
@inkstaincomixwow, i'm honored you WASTED TIME inferring inane things to try to lambast me with! who's wasting time? way to project a load of bullshit unto someone to minimize how pathetic you ar, that's called distraction, you're an ace at it--and no, your comment doesn't gain any cache of respect, it's still a brainless echo you've used to create the illusion of intelligence for yourself
carlo88moe 1 day ago
@carlo88moe No sir, I did not infer, I am quite sure that you are a dickless peon "keyboard commando". Trying to be an ass to folks online all from the safety behind your computer screen. Glad to see mommy and daddy's money is going to good use with your college education. Go back to cutting yourself and listening to emo music.
inkstaincomix 23 hours ago
@inkstaincomix keyboard commando,emo wrist cutter?Way to employ those trite caricatures?Just the sort of nonsense an idiot would try to discredit someone.You're so lame,lol,admonishing me with"mommy's boy"&other fatuous bullshit.You're like a parody of yourself.If u were smarter I'd say u were satirizing the lame shit people retort with after being thoroughly e-slapped,but that'd be giving you mounds of intellect I can tell you don't have.Stop replying,youre embarrassing yourself
carlo88moe 13 hours ago
@carlo88moe Why are you so upset? I write a simple comment, and you go off on this nonsensical tirade. Why not do something constructive and relative to the video instead of trolling on youtube. The only one embarrassing themselves is yourself. While my original comment was nothing "groundbreaking", it wasn't intended to be. It was simply a quote I enjoyed, and apparently other viewers agreed. Not sure why you've chosen youtube as your soapbox but hey more power to you. Peace.
inkstaincomix 12 hours ago
@inkstaincomix no, you're right, i was being an ass, but i thought my first comment was innocuous enough, i was poking a lil fun, that's all, but you took rather severely and started making personal attacks,which i then responded to...whatever,my bad...
carlo88moe 6 hours ago
@carlo88moe Fair enough. Truce? :)
inkstaincomix 46 minutes ago
Humans are not born evil , but if they are guided by there mind ego and not their true self , they will be weak and easily tricked . Its not so complicated ..
enlighten09 9 months ago
@enlighten09 but psychopathy is 100% genetic...
NinetiesYouth 8 months ago
@NinetiesYouth Maybe some are , maybe they are without a soul . Been a while since I watched this maybe jung is talking about his kind ? He is therefore correct lol .
enlighten09 8 months ago
@NinetiesYouth What the hell are you talking about? Yes there are miniscule amount of genes predisposed to their parent/s makeup, but certainly not all. The same as some child abusers/wife beaters will carry on 'learned behaviour', but NOT all.
carriemaizey 7 months ago
Oh lord, numerology fanatics, new age fanatics, all coming here spouting second hand bullshit. Do you guys have ANY SELF-understanding, or is it all shit you dig up from books to make yourselves feel good and like you're getting somewhere?
The human soul has just as much potential for darkness as goodness, and this is just as much a part of its beauty and power as anything else.
Walley666 9 months ago
@Walley666 I agree, the latest disaster in Japan shows how disconnected with those helpful voices from the depth of the psyche. In the video "Matter of Heart" One of Jung's students spoke of a letter that Jung wrote where he had a vision of a great disaster in 50 years; one that we may or may not overcome. He had this vision the year he Jung died (1961). For those that don't know Jung had visions of WWI and WWII We must know our inner mind least we suffer at its (our own) hands.
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@Walley666 I agree, the latest disaster in Japan shows how disconnected with those helpful voices from the depth of the psyche. In the video "Matter of Heart" One of Jung's students spoke of a letter that Jung wrote where he had a vision of a great disaster in 50 years; one that we may or may not overcome. He had this vision the year he Jung died (1961). For those that don't know Jung had visions of WWI and WWII We must know our inner mind least we suffer at its (our own) hands.
candidate9able 9 months ago
@Walley666
This attitude is VERY, VERY unnecessary.., " it's all shit you dig up from books".
WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?
We are ALL imperfect human beings tryng to move forward ... that is all.
THEN after a statement like that you DARE to talk about the "human soul" ?
I think you have forfeited that right.
Behave.
Another human being.
Yilmaz413 9 months ago
People are not born innately evil. Anyone who thinks so is evil.
wunwuntew 9 months ago
true that. yo are we the evil? yea probably. jung confuses me, though i basically agree with him.
sjdinergrrl 11 months ago
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"The only real danger that exists in man itself"? Try breathing in an air filled room of O3, or defending against a stampeding elephant, or survive in space, survive a direct asteroid impact...
skydome29 11 months ago
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wejewsdid911HAHAHA89 11 months ago
@wejewsdid911HAHAHA89 /
StickyBadger 11 months ago
Does Jungian psychology have anything to do with David Bohm's "implicate order" concept?
Penrose + Bohm = Jung: watch?v=qAjC81MUe_I
JohananRaatz 11 months ago
youtube.com/watch?v=76u3zAxZJhM -CASA DE JUNG EN LAGO ZURICH-
ThePoltergueist 11 months ago
Very very true!!! The advisory was created so we can deflect our evil.
Bogoa2000 1 year ago
We're also the origin of all good but he doesn't mention that. Unless good can only be mindless, which is pretty pointless. We might as well kill ourselves eh?
ThisWorldWillBeMine 1 year ago
@ThisWorldWillBeMine that's true but when you make something good, and then, something bad, people will always remember the bad thing instead of the good one. I think that's what we see on the current days. So yeah, as you said, we might as well kill ourselves...
Denil0 1 year ago
@Denil0 Well I overreacted, cause I hate it when I hear people put down the only force in the known universe capable of making any changes. I get it from a few people.
ThisWorldWillBeMine 1 year ago
god did not create the 'evil past' ... we did!
good stuff!
jimmietfreeway 1 year ago
incredible jung!
bannnjac33 1 year ago
evil exists because humans do, it's like guns don't shoot people...well you know the rest.
DaMostEnigmatic 1 year ago
That which causes harm or destruction or misfortune, yup sounds like humans to me.. but that doesn't mean thats all we are. A large slice of the pie, yes.. hope not to big but it is there nonetheless.
useruseruser111 1 year ago 3
@useruseruser111 As the jole goes--- Lately I am not sure of anyone except you and me, and sometimes I worry about you...
walkertongdee 1 year ago 9
No species can grow forever, we are not separate from nature, we are nature.... we balance ourselves just like another life form. We die like everything, our technology has allowed us to see death around the earth. However this death has happened for centuries, now we can see it. Naturally our empathy would want to correct it, sadly it cannot. People will always die. We are playing a game of musical chairs, where someone loses... This life... Is chaos.
Kreature8888 1 year ago
@useruseruser111 Humans created ideas like "good" and "bad". Without humans, there is no good or bad. Everything just is. Some things are beneficial and positive, and others are destructive and negative. Some things are negative for one thing but positive for another, and vice versa. If you wish to believe in good and bad, right or wrong, then you must first make a hierarchical list of the most important things down to the least. And who are we to do that?
DaveLeech1989 1 year ago
@DaveLeech1989 Read my post i said nothing about good or bad but destruction and misfortune like to our planet, or as in suffering. Yes we label good and bad, give it an existence by the brain coming from knowledge acquired through our senses or our ideas based on experiences based from believed thought. So no i don't wish to believe in good and bad? An hierarchical list of the most important things down to the least would never work because we create whats important to us.
useruseruser111 11 months ago 2
@useruseruser111 Yeah you sort of repeated what i just said in different words. I ment to leave a comment instead of reply to yours, sorry
DaveLeech1989 11 months ago
@DaveLeech1989 ok:]
useruseruser111 11 months ago
@useruseruser111 we'll see if we turn out like the dinosaurs, or are able to advance beyond our little earth. :)
TheSolodorn 3 months ago
thank you so much!!!
raccoonpoet 1 year ago
"We know nothing" "We are the origin of all coming evil"
-C.J. Jung
newsworthyable 1 year ago
@newsworthyable "We know nothing of man" "We are the origin of all coming evil"
-C.G. Jung.
You're welcome.
holm81 1 year ago
@holm81 "We don't know squat about man" "We are the origin of all fuking evil" -CG Jung.
Um, You're welcome!
ThyReturner 1 year ago
And our women are afraid, because we all believe in the first commitment, thank Herrn Jung
Joke9972 1 year ago
pls don't quote stats without some kind of citation - otherwise its rubbish. And even if there were such a survey, the definition of "evil" alone is highly subjective so any questionnare used would be very open to criticism; also, one can't talk about the inherent evil of person's nature with out considering the nature of the environment; all men are capable of "evil" in certain circumstances
bradygate 1 year ago
bleave me or not people are evil...
diago371 1 year ago
@LadyDesEsseintes Very true including influencing Alchoholics Anonymous ideaology.
He had a better understanding of man's psyche than the majority of people in his general field at the time.
cetnikz 1 year ago
@cetnikz "...the majority of people in his general field at the time" refers to a period beginning in1907 and extending for decades afterward. During this period Jung convinced people that there is such a thing as the Shadow, that there is such a thing as an introvert and an extravert, and that he had the ability to interpret other people's dreams. Those are three of the hoaxes he pulled off.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@LadyDesEsseintes Jung says that every single person has a Shadow. He equates the Shadow with Original Sin. Yet he proposes a cure (Individuation). First he says that everyone is born with the Shadow (nature), but then says it consists of "split-off aspects" (nurture). In other words, one is born with the Shadow and then gradually acquires it. This is the same argument he uses with psychological types. I did not connect the Shadow with Original Sin. Jung did.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@LadyDesEsseintes It is preaching when a famous psychiatrist goes on national television and says that all humans, female and male, all culltures and religions, everyone who has ever lived or is now alive is evil. It is preaching when he equates the Shadow with Original Sin (p. 107, The Undiscovered Self, Mentor Books 1957). If one is not an orthodox Christian then Original Sin does not exist. If one is not a Jungian the Shadow does not exist. Most people don't even know who Jung is.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell861 If we are not the evil than what is? Man creates the realities. Man creates the light, and the dark.
jsltm888 1 year ago
@jsltm888 "We" is a collective pronoun that applies to all humans who have ever lived. Jung is saying that all humans are inherently evil. That is not necessarily true. The Shadow is a scare tactic invented by Jung to draw followers. He creates a problem where there is none, thereby setting himself up as the solution.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell861 All beings are born with ego, is the initial tool of all evil done on this earth, I-ME-MINE and the ego driven motives of self survival. If I take from you I can survive better etc. 10% of the worlds population is pure evil-ego-greed-self centered. 30% follow them copy them, the remaining 60% are either leaders of truth, group dynamic, compassion, nurture mankind and all life. They see and have risen above greed-ego-self, and embrace all life as the vehicle of consciousness!
chakrachaser 1 year ago
@chakrachaser The figures 10%, 30% and 60% comprise a blanket statement. Without defining a subset, they apply to all humans, female, male, all cultures, all religions, and everyone who has ever lived. It is impossible to validate these figures. Jung made similar claims without any validation. As such, he was a preacher.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell861 Any one can do a poll, survey of a people in any culture. Confidence interval is the key. These statistics are as valid for seeking who is egotistical-I-me-mine oriented as to who will drive an electric car over a gas powered car, or who will get a gun- kill a deer or who will provide wild life sanctions for them to survive. Its all in ones psychic make up, who raised them, who influenced them, how much contagion of aberration was indoctrinated into their make up. Fundamental stuff!
chakrachaser 1 year ago
@chakrachaser No one ever conducted a poll concerning evil which resulted in 10
%, 30% and 60%. Without documentation and validation, this statistic constitutes preaching.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell861 This is where common sense comes into play, who do you think has your best interest at heart, is more likely to steal from you commit an evil act against your survival?
The Dalai Lama or Al Capone? Paris Hilton, or Mother Teresa?
You get the picture?
chakrachaser 1 year ago
@chakrachaser The Dalai Lama is one of the good guys. Al Capone is one of the bad guys. Mother Theresa is one of the good guys. Paris Hilton is one of the bad guys. Carl Jung is...Huh?
Darrell861 1 year ago
@LadyDesEsseintes Oh, and one more thing. You are right. I hate having my Weltanschuung shattered. But I do like having my doinkie schnizzeled.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@LadyDesEsseintes All of John Freeman's videos on this site depict Jung preaching. The very statement "We are the evil" rings of a televangilist. Also, antedeluvian alarms about the future constitute preaching. Claiming to have a solution (Individuation and integrating the Shadow and reaching the True Self) is preaching. Most people in the world have no idea who Jung is. The only people who use the term Shadow are Jungians. If one is not a Jungian, the Shadow does not exist.
Darrell861 1 year ago
Yes, we know nothing about ourselves. We shall be mystery still for many centuries. But there lived some daredevils who challenged to this secret -.... and struggled with legions of demons, to make out and win the inner man: both the Shadow (Evil), and Light (Good). These are Saints of all times and peoples. There is the Christ, the Buddha, and all founders of great religions. Geniuses could recognize themselves in lesser degree.
10axyz 1 year ago
@10axyz p.267 Christ and Buddha were not psychiatrists who made the unethical claim to have the infallible ability to interpret dreams. They were not pathological liars who deliberately tested the gullibility of their followers (CW3,par. 557). Jung's Shadow has nothing o do with Evil. Jung's followers compared him to Buddha. He didn't. On p.267 of "Man and His Symbols" (Dell paperback 1964) Aniela Jaffe does with a specious analogy between Jung's psychological types and Buddha's Ten Points.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell861 If you will be tolerant to my bad English.... Yes, Jung is not Buddha, but has great mind and intuition, penetrating most deeply into subconsciousness. His knowledge is limited by his bourgeois environment; my environment has given me more severe experience. I approve - Shadow of Jung is Evil and demonic forces in the personality of man(cultural man especially), while - not recognized. To meet its face to face - only very strong man presumes ( Christ and Buddha among them).
10axyz 1 year ago
@10axyz On p.107 of "The Undiscovered Self"(Mentor Books, 1957) Jung equates the Shadow with Original Sin which was an invention of St. Paul. If one is not a Christian, there is no Original Sin; not a Jungian,no Shadow. One is born and dies with Original Sin. No cure.The Shadow is defined as those split off aspects which may be embarrassing. One is not born with the Shadow and it can be cured hrough individuation by which it is integrated. It has nothing to do with demons or Evil.
Darrell861 1 year ago
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10axyz 1 year ago
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@Darrell861 Negative aspects of the personality - not the invention of St. Paul, but really existing complexes of energy in the form of destructive passions. The destiny has forced me to glance in that dark world, and I have understood: part of it (hatred and violence) is necessary for a survival in severe society. Other part (desire of glory, authority) prevents to creative growth. Name doesn't change essence of these forces. Most dark part: violence - has everyone.
10axyz 1 year ago
@Darrell861 i disagree that original sin and original sin have nothing to do with the shadow.. if anything, the concept of original sin and the perceived spiritual attack by evil forces is caused by denying the shadow to the point of psychosis. you ignore your shadow long enough and it will utilize archetypes of demons and evil to demand you pay attention.
arfmcarf 1 year ago
@arfmcarf Pardon me, but I do not have a shadow. It is a term invented by Jung and used only by Jungians such as yourself. If my demons haven't reared their heads by now they never will. That's because they don't exist.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell861 it is refreshing to hear that there actually is a living human being that has never been quick to anger or found themselves in a bad mood. you must be jesus.
arfmcarf 1 year ago
@arfmcarf It is documented that in 1914 Jung entered a prolonged period of psychosis during which he experienced waking visions and intense dreams. He saw demons, called them the Shadow, and claimed he integrated them. He generalized from personal experience and began preaching about leading his followers to the True Self. if he wants to preach, fine. But preaching has no place in the practice of psychiatry. The Shadow does not exist outside the Jungian religion.
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MrMickermoose 1 year ago
These interviews were conducted by John Freeman. He also wrote the introduction to "Man and His Symbols." He says Jung appointed him to have the final say as to the book's content because he represented the "Average" Man. He goes on to say that Marie-Louise von Franz also had edited the book. (p.v.ii-viii) It wasn't published until after Jung died. Jung did not edit the book, as the front cover says. It was written and edited by his followers.
Darrell861 1 year ago
i think that if he had no ties to natzis than his theories would have had more relevence
KALEIDOSCOPEN 1 year ago
Yes carl you are the evil , whats your point oh Im evil to ? no carl you and your kind are , you think you bring us all in it saves you somehow no carl ..
enlighten09 1 year ago
@enlighten09 Here's an undocumented Jung quote: “Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.” You are right. The finger points both ways. The 911 attacks irritated me. That doesn't make me a terrorist. Gurus like Jung like to not only make balanket statements about the human condition, but use scare tactics as well. Get the follower to mistrust himself, and the guru has gained control. He creates a problem where there is none.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell86 I read some of Freuds nonsense when I was teenage , and was astounded at the utter crap people will believe . If media push these morons as geniuses everyone just follows sheeple . It is the same with Dawkins . Thanks D ...
enlighten09 1 year ago
@enlighten09 I got an email that said you posted on my profile. I looked at my facebook account, but it isn't there yet. Let's chat. Sounds like we might be in agreement about Jung.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@enlighten09 oh really! what have you read about freud? anything?....its probably a lie.
freudian456 1 year ago
@freudian456 The opening pages of The Interpretation of Dreams have to do with hypermnesic dreams. In other words, stray memories from years earlier which then pop up spontaneously in later life. Most notably, the dream of Marny which, like the other four examples, were interpreted by the dreamer. The dreams have no meaning. The dreamers interpret their own dreams. Hypermnesic experiences can also explain away some of the examples of the Collective Unconscious presented by Jung
Darrell861 1 year ago
@freudian456 Oh, and, by the way, the one who referred to "Freud's nonesense" was enlighten09. Not me.
Darrell861 1 year ago
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enlighten09 1 year ago
@Darrell861 the same goes for you! you try to discredit jung in someway to make up for some of your shortcomings??
freudian456 1 year ago
@freudian456 I study and discredit Jung because he is so entertaining. On p.42 of Man And His Symbols he says that he does not have the ability to interpret dreams. He calls them "vague, flimsy and unreliable." He also says they are difficult tounderstand, and elsewhere he says there is no direct and striaghtforward interprettion of any dream. Yet in 1957 Jung said that in 1907 he interpreted 11 dreams a day for two years (CW3,par.557). Jung was a master at the one-liner. He is so amusing.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@freudian456 My comment to enlighten09 is directed toward you as well. Make a point about Jung and I will respond.
Darrell861 1 year ago
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enlighten09 1 year ago
@enlighten09 As for misleading the masses, the same applies to Jung. As for not being interested in helping people, that also applies. On p.134-36 of Memories Dreams Reflections Jung unilaterally interprets the dream of a normal doctor and bases a diagnosis on that interpretation. He tells the reader that the doctor was "within a hair's breadth of dying. Yet he does not inform the doctor of his "diagnosis." Jung thereby commits three ethical violations, including breaking the Hippocatic Oath.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell861 Im sorry I shouldnt of commented on either of them , they have done nothing for humankind , but that was the idea all along ..
enlighten09 1 year ago
@enlighten09 Does exclaiming that i think im superior in some way make you feel superior in some way?
freudian456 1 year ago
@freudian456 No I just hope that you can question your behavior , and come to a better understanding of why you do things . Of course its a waste of time as your ego will choose some lame response .
enlighten09 1 year ago
@enlighten09 When the Rutgers and Yale debate teams meet in competition, neither side resorts to personal ad hominem attacks. If one of the competitors feels cornered because he cannot come up with a counterpoint, he doesn't respond, "You're just insecure about your own shortcomings. You have an ego problem.”That’s not the way a debate works. The issue here is Jung. Respond to the specific criticism. Present a counterpoint. If you cannot, then concede the point.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell861 Darrell Im not insecure and this response is very immature .. please dont bore me anymore ...
enlighten09 1 year ago
@Darrell861 Dont talk to darrell861, hes mentally retarded.
freudian456 1 year ago
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@Darrell861 no one is going to read your garbage!
freudian456 1 year ago
Geez you two.
RepublicAgent 1 year ago
@RepublicAgent Hey, Republic. How ya' doin? By the way, this is a forum, a site for debate and exchange of ideas. If you have nothing to say about dream interpretation (the topic here) then might I suggest Facebook? You can watch cool videos, see baby pictures, or tell your friends about the coffe you are drinking. If you do have anything to say about Jung and dream interpretation, please join in.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell861
Hey, Darrell, nice way to make yourself seem like an asshole.
I bet you're not an asshole, but you definitely have a stick up your ass for making that a big a deal over a joke comment.
Really? Really?
RepublicAgent 1 year ago
@RepublicAgent I misunderstood you. I thought you were belittling a serious discussion. If so, my bad. My bad. Anyway, do you have any comments on dream interpretation and Jung in general? Let's chat.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell861
My only thought is this: dreams seem subjective. Even if two people had similar dreams, I would hestiate to say they would meaning of the dream would be similar.
Now, I suppose if some study was done about the individual and the dream was taken into context, maybe. But still, I can't see dream interpretation ever becoming a legitimate science.
RepublicAgent 1 year ago
@RepublicAgent Glad for the chat and once again, if I rubbed you the wrong way, my bad. Anyway, it looks like we agree. Dreams are the epitome of a subjective experience. And here it is 2010, Jung has passed in 1961, and we've had plenty of time for studies. Yet Jungians still insist not only that all dreams have meaning, but that it is possible for one person to interpret the dreams of another person.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell861 Let me toss this out. How could Jung, as a licensed psychiatrist, tell his clients that he could interpret dreams when in fact, no one or no institution trained him in that skill? I can see a qualified DNA expert testifying in court, but I fail to see similar qualifications for a dream interpreter.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Nessie1001 exactly, so we might as well throw some more chemicals in the loop. 80% of people on anti-depressants have a relapse when they stop taking thier drugs. so keep on shoven them down your throat. you'll have severe liver and kidney damage but you won't be depressed.
outoftouch2 1 year ago
Jung is absolutely brilliant.
elbanydaer 1 year ago 2
Remote mind control is real. Watch " Dr Colin Ross on C.I.A mind control " What he states is declassified from the 1960's. What they are doing today is classified and are crimes against humanity. No implants needed today to monitor your thoughts and whereabouts. It's done by emitting and controlling E.L.F waves from 1 to 10 Hz into your mind by means of compressed microwave radiation sent through cell phone towers and by satellite. Learn what Nikola Tesla knew 100 years ago. Peace out.
7711ish 1 year ago
@7711ish By your suggestion I went to the Ross website and read his article on extramission. He used the term in the context of "the evil eye," but I think it also might manifest itself as charisma. I see no other explanation for how Jung was able to convince his followers that he had the ability to interpret dreams. There is nothing secret about Jung's writing. No experiments, no goggles etc. All one has to do is read his writings and see contradictions, fallacies and lies.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell861 There is good and bad in everything. You mentioned the evil eye, well the truth is man is playing the role of God with all of us. (False God) Does it make sense to you that our good creator would create life and all that is needed to sustain it for free. then turn around and torture his creations and enslave them by monetary means. That is the work of man, evil men. Read Genesis 3:22 It is also the number of the renowned skull and bones society at Yale. Peace out
7711ish 1 year ago
@7711ish I did not bring up the evil eye. Ross did. He was talking about intramission:: how an individual can process non-verbal communication. Extramission would be how one exudes charisma and influences another. Such a person could be a guru like Jung, who convinced his followers that he had the ability to interpret dreams. I am not comfortable with discussions about God, the Bible, or good vs. evil. I focus on gurus like Jung and Dr. Phil. Thanks for the response.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell861 I was referring to your previous comment on the evil eye from Ross. We are all deceived by these secret societies. They lie like the wind blows. They suppress the real truth with respect to how far they are advanced with technology and leave us all behind. I can say this because a good friend of mine possessed knowledge of their operations and they erased his memory by remote means. He won't be telling the truth now. They have silenced him.
7711ish 1 year ago
@7711ish Extramission would lead into the more general issue of gurus; how do they gain their control? Jung was able to convince his followers that simply because he was an expert on comparative religion and mythology, that made him qualified to interpret dreams of a particular person. Ross seems to be saying that extramission exists, and that there are experiiments to demonstrate it. Pardon me for going on the Jungian tangent, but after all, you did drop in on a Jungian chat room.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell861 I really guess how did you develop such bad opinion about Jung. I would say that, being myself a scientist, C. G. Jung is one of my favorite writers and I found is work deeply inspiring. I can not find such "guru" aspects you constantly mention.
dblazquezsanz 1 year ago
@dblazquezsanz Gurus like to make blanket staements about the human condition:Everyone is either an introvet or an extravert, and has a shadow. Gurus like to use scare tactics and create problems where there are none. Gurus claim to have gone through a prolonged period of inner self-doubt but have made it through. They claim to be at point B while their followers are still at pont A. The guru claims to lead the followers down the path and eventually reach their Self.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@dblazquezsanz Human samples of tissue or blood contain DNA which can be analyzed and interpreted. This is a given. But if someone has a dream, writes it down and submits that sample to anyone, it is not a given that it contains a meaning which can be analyzed and interpreted. All accounts of dreams are anecdotal and as such cannot be construed as data. One cannot scientifically analyze that which is not data. The only thing less scientific than dream interpretation is playing the kazoo.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell861 Dear Darrell, as a scientist I can not agree with you. Most of my work is in mathematical physics so I do reflect a lot about the nature of data and its quantitative and qualitative analysis. Of course, dreams and fantasies are as real as the blood pulse is, and therefore data. To consider some data as anecdotal or essential is always a subjective, and generally consensual, choice.
dblazquezsanz 1 year ago
@dblazquezsanz Last night I dreamed that I was on a yacht somewhere in Scandanavia. It was dusk and there was a city on the shoreline.There was a range of mountains in the background. I wanted to climb one of the mountains. There's your "data. " Now interpret my dream unilaterally without meeting me or talking with me. You might say you specialize in mathematical physics and so lack the training necessary to interpret my dream. Well, Jung didn't have any such training either.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell861 My data is that you wrote this message. The tone of your message make me distrust it is a real dream, I don't know. My interpretation of your message is that you do not like Jung psychology at all, specially. In answer to your final comment I can add, as researcher, that we need people developing new paradigms and methodologies. Of course, they can not be trained in! No university offers degree on pioneering!
dblazquezsanz 1 year ago
@dblazquezsanz You are right. I had that dream 20 years ago. My point is that accounts of dreams can be invented, distorted or paritally forgotten. As such, they are flawed. That which is flawed cannot constitute data. As for pioneering, c'mon. Here it is 2010 and dream interpretation has not yet been formulated. If Jung was a pioneer, he was a pioneer who never reached the New World, nor the Pacific Ocean. His interpretations remained as, "Well, let's try this way. Or that way."
Darrell861 1 year ago
@dblazquezsanz We agree that it is impossible to train someone in dream interpretation. If no one or academic institution trained Jung the the question becomes a matter of how he acquired the ability. Simple. He was self-proclaimed. I would like to see a third option: #1)not trained. #2) not self-proclaimed. #3)...fill in the blanks... What is the third option?
Darrell861 1 year ago
@Darrell861 No, we do not agree, please check your logic. It seems that you think that Jung was merely a cheater. I do appreciate Jung works as some of the best, deepest and smartest writings I have ever read. I consider them important contributions to science. That's all.
dblazquezsanz 1 year ago
@dblazquezsanz "Of course, they can not be trained in! No university offers degree on pioneering!" This is a quote from you just this evening. We agree that nobody trained Jung in dream interpretation. Substituting dream interpretation with pioneering is an obfuscation. A pioneer is one who has not yet achieved his goal. At best he makes his way along by improvising. Jung made his way by making up interpretations as he went along. DNA analysis does not require any more pioneering.
Darrell861 1 year ago
@dblazquezsanz Jung was not a cheater. He was a psychiatrist who operated unethically by claiming to have a qualification which he did not have. He did not have the ability to interpret dreams. We agree that no one trained him. He made dreams mean what he wanted them to mean on an ad hoc basis. He never formed a coherent approach to dream interpretation. As a pioneer. he never got anywhere. And no one is here today to take his place as a "pioneer."
Darrell861 1 year ago
@dblazquezsanz A DNA analyst was allowed to testify at the OJ Simpson trial. But not even Lance Ito would allow Jung or any self-proclaimed dream interpreter to testify in his court. Jung:"Yes, Mr Cochran. I was Simpson's psychotherapist. He told me of a dream in which he saw himself murdering Nicole. I interpreted the dream as indicating a latent psychosis." Cochran: "Simpson is not responsible for his actions because of a latent psychosis. We plead insanity."
Darrell861 1 year ago
Carl Jung has been writing many interesting things.I like his ways of describing the person as consisting of many layers,the persona(the mask),anima ,animus,the shadow part,the hero and the self. I think the ideas about the self is most fascinating.I really like what i have read with this person.
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Gemendelos 1 year ago
I rather accept the concept that we can be the origin of all evil if we choice to under certain human spiritual uneasiness and disaster but we are not mainly born as origin of all evil.I hope if Jung has fund himself the origin of all evil then his treatment on his patient would be evil one maybe.
mehran686868 1 year ago
@ways87
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futurestoryteller 1 year ago
this man here stands correct...i pity all humans...so sad to say im one...
ways87 1 year ago