SPOILER ALERT: Mass Effect 2 Paragon Ending

[IBrowneeI]

"And im gonna do exactly what you brought me back to do. I'm gonna win this war, and I'll do it without sacrificing the soul of our species!"

Amazing line. THAT is the kind of leader you want when the universe's shit hits the fan.

[ShadowDuty7]

how did u get the "No Man Left Behind" achievement if Kelly and most of your crew is dead?

[Jackoooist]

At the end "Shepard found himself looking out at the stars, and the stars were looking back"

[PoptartInvasion]

Anyone feel sorry for the Collector General when Harbinger released control? It looked so sad to me. :(

[jjzgamer]

@PoptartInvasion Funny enough, I was just thinking about that. Granted, the stuff the Collectors were doing was horrifying and they were something of an abomination, but so be it. However, I do not think all the Collectors were possessed so they were acting either on their own or a hive conscious I guess. It was still a bit sad watching the Collector General look as he realized, "crud, I'm dead".

[PoptartInvasion]

@jjzgamer I suppose they would serve the Reapers best if at least a smidget of their "humanity" was left intact, so maybe some of the responsibility is on them, but for the most part they were cybernetically repurposed. What I actuallly got out of that small clip was the General as a horribly broken creature that seemed to need guidance or reassurance as the only source of purpose casually abandoned it to its fate. Made me want to hug it for just a second or two...

[MareTranquil]

One question...arent there supposed to be some crewmembers repairing the ship around 8:05? Didn't you save the crew?

[Animegeek247]

Who's Pumped for the Arrival DLC next week?!!

[blacksoncross]

you feel sorry for ps3 owners.. wait why? I own a ps3 and I just bought the game for the PC.

I feel bad for the people that don't have a good computer.

[orgmad]

@0424john Its going to be A LOT more than 300 lol

Our numbers shall darken the sky of every world! - Sovereign

[orgmad]

@0424john Its going to be A LOT more than 300 lol

[SerialSnowmanKiller]

@ImStuckForGoodISFG

Yeah, well word is that PS3 owners will be getting Mass Effect 2... With the Mass Effect 3 graphics engine. AND will be getting all the DLC for free. Still feel sorry for them?

[ImStuckForGoodISFG]

@SerialSnowmanKiller My comment was 11 MONTHS AGO! The game wasn't even announced yet for PS3 when I wrote that. lol

[DeASplode]

3:40 - 4:40 The music is just awesome. First time I finished this I was gutted I couldn't play the third for so long. BUT IT'S COMING NOW!

[tkasich1]

7:27 - 7:41 - Hey this is what the Illusive Man deserves. He destroyed Shepard's friendship with one of his former squad mates. And sent him into a trap he believed was necessary. So guess what - Payback is a bitch.

And this what I say to the illusive Man: If Shepard loses his closest friends in the Alliance. Then the Illusive Man loses his "creation" and "important asset".

[Ayrebird]

No game, no movie ever touches how epic and amazing and incredible Mass Effect is.

[BlooOcean]

I'm very glad that PS owners can now play this EPIC game... not until 2011 but better than never ^ _ ^

[argetfalcon]

@BlooOcean

I don't like bioware promised it would only be for xbox 360. This game is one of the reasons i bought xbox. And it doesn't have many exclusive games

[BlooOcean]

@argetfalcon I actually bought this on PC, since Mass Effect is not exclusive only on Xbox,because you can mod Shepard's face that is impossible to do on Xbox (my Shepard has glowing white eye XD) Also the loading time and frame rate is definitely different.

[GunGraveTZA2]

It would be absolutely fucking amazing if the Illusive Man comes after your ass in Mass Effect 3 or teams up with the Reapers with Saren's excuse ("If we work with them we'll be spared").

[casualDEMOLITION]

does anybody else notice that the planet thing the illusive is always looking at changes colors at the end according to whether u went paragon or renegade?

[MMFr3ak]

7:25 F*ck yea-face

[jetsiol0]

Finally! It's 'good' to blow stuff up!

[Gabsterssssss]

illusive man. what an ass.

[0tanker]

if you get to fight all those reapers ill be so happy

[TheSebulba1978]

Ep-Fragging-ic!!!

But why didn't they announce ME3 in E3???? What THE FRAK??????

[MrReaper2030]

the elusive man sounds like george w bush

[MainHeretic]

At the end... it should've had a "TO BE CONCLUDED".

[armbullet]

"And I'm going to exactly what you brought me back to do; I'm going to win this war, and I'll do it without sacrificing the soul of our species."

My favorite line in the game. I love how the good dialogue isn't cheesy and cliche.

[4104jake]

@armbullet I like having Joker cut him off.

[ThatGUY666666]

This was possibly the greatest choice I've ever had to make in a game, when I heard the Illusive man trying to stop me from blowing the base to hell I felt conflicted, ultimately I decided "fuck it, it's time for some fireworks!!!"

[kdshfksdjgf]

THE best "to be continued" ending to a game ever

[ThatGUY666666]

Yeah the Illusive Man is crazy, nothing good could possibly have come from that base, destroying it was in everyone's interest including humanity's

[theDesertRat86]

Also, does anyone else think that the star behind the Illusive Man is Haestrom, the place where Tali is recruited? Tali said that it was a big deal, and that they didn't know what was causing the star to die. I think that either the Illusive Man or the Reapers are somehow behind what's happening to the star, and it's going to somehow play into the 3rd game. Just a theory.

[theDesertRat86]

I agree with Hydra000001. The Collector general didn't have enough time to find and send the Reaper schematics once he was freed. He had time to realize what had happened, and to stare at the explosion. Poor Prothean bug things. I almost felt bad for them. And then I saw the epic explosion and I felt better. :D

[CRAZYLOLVIDS]

Just as Harbinger releases control of the Collecter General, he also lets the Prothean DNA strand out, so the Collecter General sends the schematics of Harbinger to Joker in that split second before he was blown up because the Prothean Strand of DNA allowed him to.

[TheMarko93]

Uhhh...

What in the friggin' world are ye talking about?

[ImStuckForGoodISFG]

I feel sorry for ps3 owners...this game is really epic.

[BrHydralysk]

Well we can just play it on PC can't we? But yeah an amazing game

[Biosyntheticc]

@ImStuckForGoodISFG

u shouldn't.That's what they get for buying a console

[framauro13]

@ImStuckForGoodISFG That's why I played it on PC.

[hollownick]

@ImStuckForGoodISFG lol so now that ps3 owners are getting it do you regret this comment? :P

[scifiwizard99]

@ImStuckForGoodISFG not anymore you don't

[BlooOcean]

@ImStuckForGoodISFG NOT ANYMORE!~ w000t!~

[bocajbee]

@ImStuckForGoodISFG That dun sound so smart 10 months later.

[Jarsia]

@ImStuckForGoodISFG

guess you dont have to now, huh.

[dragonhatcher12]

we are going to kick the reapers ass in masss effect 3 there may be thousands of them but since i saw those guns you can get for the normandy then i was like we got this this is easy those were guns for a frigate imagine on a dreadnaught what a weapon for that scale of ship could do i cant wait for me3 reapers are going to die

[PauloPelle14]

3 playthroughs and on each I have chosen this ending, so epic.

Although for ME3 i'm going to make different decisions in future saves to vary how the game plys in the third one.

A few with the Renegade ending and with a new or keeping loyal to old romance.

ME1 no matter how renegade I was I never chose the lives of the council over millions of people, I always said "Concentrate fire on sovereign"

If you think about it there's going to be several ending to ME3.

[RisingMoonx23]

question, if they had trouble killing one reaper in ME1 (Soveriegn) then how are they suppose to kill an army of them?

[dragonhatcher12]

they got new weapons on their ships thanks to sovereiegn the new guns on the normandy are a small scale version of sovereigns guns and they probably have more powerful ones on their bigger ships and also the reapers power is depleted badly due to hibernation in dark space and also they have to come all the way from the outskirts of the galaxy making them even weaker i say we have a good chance

[PauloPelle14]

If you made the rigt decisions in ME1 and 2, I think you'll have more than enough Allies.

Rachni and none heretic geth to name a few.

[masterWhO]

omg i did jacks loyalty mission and she didnt become loyal because i took mirandas side in the arguement. Anyway i can fix that?

[hugothejuego]

hands down, the best game I've ever played in my life. and the best ending to a game, like ever. BRING ON MASS EFFECT 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Palon1983]

she is not gonna die even if she isent loyal

[MattHunX]

The Renegade ending is the default. In the 3r novel, Retribution, the Illusive Man is making a human-reaper out of Grayson.

The default for ME2 is: no import - new PC

New Council (good)

Wrex Dead (rubbish)

I've gone with the RENEGADE ending.

No sentimental rubbish!

The Reaper-tech can come in handy. Turn their own weapon against them, basically. The most logical thing to do. Everything that can help.

The ending is simply fantastic, a chill ran down my spine when I saw all those Reapers.

[Cordar]

We don't know that yet, theres still months untill the novel is actually released. And Grayson was not being turning into a Human-Reaper, he's just being implanted with Reaper technology.

And it does not indicate that the Collector base was spared.

[jbart530]

No. By saving the collector base and sticking with cerberus, you are going to find it harder to get allies in ME3. Citadel forces for sure are going to shun you, and you'll have a harder time getting the quarians to help. A Paragon will likely have a massive fleet formed to deal with the Reapers (Alliance, Turian, Asari, Krogan, Quarian, Geth, and Rachni, maybe even some Terminus allies) while a Renegade will have a much smaller group. They'll need the Reaper-tech.

[MattHunX]

I doubt it. Just look at the default storyline. The Council and Wrex is dead.

Even if you are a Paragon and save the Council in the ME1, they won't help you out in 2, cause they don't even believe the Reaper threat is real.

So I'm glad I let them die, useless fools. So much for reinforcements and allies. And I saved the Rachni Queen so I can count on them and Wrex is still alive and kicking and killing (when bored with ruling) Asari and Turian out of the question, blind as the Council.

[Cordar]

The default does not mean it's THE canon. What is canon is according to the players decisions during the course of the games.

And the council had good reasons not to believe it, mostly cause of the lack of evidence. They are very reasonable as long as people can back up their claims. The info gathered at the end of me2, of which a part read on the data-pad given to Shepard is likely going to make them alot more cooperative.

[MattHunX]

@Cordar

Lack of evidence except for parts of Sovereign that the techies on the Citadel couldn't even recognize as being different from Geth tech. People that blind aren't going to come around very easily. They could just say that those blueprints are just a "proof" that the Geth are getting more advanced and the Council rests easy again ignoring what the PC shows them. Man, I'm really glad I've let them die.

[Cordar]

Keep in mind that Sovereign was blown to pieces, half the wreckage was either stolen by rogue salvagers, or could not be told apart from the rubble on the Citadel, or taken away by the Keepers. The rest was just bits and pieces, no actual information or data banks to look through. The only known significant that was gained from these left overs was the creation of the Thanix cannon. Thus insufficient evidence for Reaper existence.

[MattHunX]

@Cordar

I was still looking forward to talking to the Council with another character, where they were saved, and *gasp* they were as ignorant as ever. As I said, they will say the Geth are getting more advanced and will leave it at that.

[Cordar]

Why is it can't you understand that the reason they don't believe that the Reapers exist is because there is no proof, as in valid proof. Some utterly trashed pieces of Sovereign does not work as viable evidence. Once Shepard will be able to provide them with something more substantial, then they will be much much more reasonable and easy to work with.

They were convinced of Saren's betrayal from a Geth sound file. Data gathered from the Collector base will be sufficient.

[MattHunX]

@Cordar

You don't seem to understand what I'm saying.

The Council will simply think that the Reaper-tech belongs to the Geth, and say that the Geth are the ones who're getting more advanced. And that there's no such thing as Reapers. They can't even prove the Collectors were Protheans because the collector ship they've found that info was destroyed and even if EDI saved the info that still doesn't have anything on the Reapers, so the Council won't be swayed.

[Cordar]

With sufficient hard evidence, they won't see the Reapers as Geth creations. For all we know, the image on the datapad that displayed the Harbinger, was just the tip of the iceberg. The info would also prove the existence of the Collectors and the connection to the Prothean and the Reapers.

And rejecting the genetic match because that the ship was destroyed is unlikely. The Geth from which the evidence against Saren was found was destroyed as well. Did not hinder the process.

[MattHunX]

@Cordar

I said, even 'if' EDI had preserved the info on the genetic engineering done to the Protheans which she probably did, in her core somewhere, that probably wouldn't link to the Reapers, the Council would still need more evidence.

[Cordar]

It would have proven that the Collectors existed at least. Plus the fact that they attacked a Turian patrol fleet, they would take action. And it would in a way connect to the Reapers anyway, because of all the original Prothean genepool, only one strand remained. They could impossibly had altered themselves to such a degree, plus all the implants. It could only had been done by a third party.

Maybe that would only be theory, but it would have been a good start.

[MattHunX]

They only believed the truth about Saren when Tali played her recording. They've even told Shepard he was the only one who has talked to this "so-called" Reaper. The VI on Ilos was lost too, and as Aderson have said in ME2, given that only Shepard claims to have seen and came into contact both Vigil and Sovereign, the Council dismissed it as a hoax by Saren to mislead Shepard.

If they'd tell the Council the Reapers are behind the Prothean's gen-engineering, they'd see "maybe.." NOT good enough.

[Cordar]

It would have contributed some weight to Shepards arguements at least. But most likely they would compile it with other evidence before submitting the report. For example the Reaper schematics gained from the Collector base, which most likely was not the only thing EDI had found in it's databanks.

In the end, the amount of evidence they have compiled will convince the council that the Reapers are a very real threat.

[MattHunX]

@Cordar

What I don't get is,

that the board Joker showed at the end to Shepard had something, possibly blueprints on Harbinger, since it was his image. WHY THE HELL, would Harbinger threw and leave information of ANY kind of himself (or themselves "Each a nation") around like that. Not very cautious. Perhaps he was banking on killing Shepard, but still, it's a leek.

[Cordar]

Why not? The collector base was the safest location in the galaxy to store data, since no one could possibly even hope to approach the base. Untill Shepard arrived using a Reaper IFF that is, something completely unheard of, unexpected.

It would not make sense that nothing were contained within the bases databanks.

[MattHunX]

@Cordar

But why would the Reapers NEED to store data on themselves separately at a remote location when they themselves could hold to it. Why did they create the data anyway? It's like writing a CV. Why?

The Protheans were so brainwashed/re-purposed/geneti­cally modified that they wouldn't have thought about what happened to them or who were they or who was responsible for whatever happened.

It makes no sense for the Reapers to have some data on themselves outside of themselves.

[Cordar]

How do you expect the Collectors and the machines by extension within the base to be able to construct a Reaper without proper information? If there were none, then Harbinger and by extension the Collector general would have had to stay in the base all the time to direct everything. And it is convenient to store data someplace else in case something happened to the original files.

[MattHunX]

@Cordar I understand the release of some tech-info to build a human-reaper, but a whole-freaking blueprint of Harbinger? Risky. Even if they spend most of their time in dark-space. It's not like they're afraid of being destroyed and losing their data (so they can get it back from somewhere) . They don't worry about that, even if one of them was destroyed (Sovereign) AND their is that derelict Reaper, so they knew some species can reach a level where they'd pose a threat, but they chilled.

[Cordar]

Then from where did Joker get the Reaper schematics from? Did he get it from EDI having hacked into the Collector base database and retrieved it among others. Or did Joker just conjure them out of thin air. Which sounds the more likely to you?

And it was not as if the data was not safe to begin with. The Collector base was out of reach from everything in the galaxy untill Shepard came along and did the impossible.

[MattHunX]

Given that once one of them (Reapers) was disabled, they should've thought their base will eventually be breached, they didn't even bother to, well...clean their disabled brother up so no one will be able to use any tech on it, and they shouldn't have tried to lure Shepard on the Collector ship, what? Did they think a few collectors and some husks will stop him? The Reapers (as much as I like them) have screwed up, big time. Not "Confidence born of ignorance", but the opposite on their part.

[Cordar]

They probably figured that it had been destroyed. But the dying Reaper might have tried to send of a distress call, but died before it could be sent. It ended up along with the Reaper IFF, but they did not recognize it as such. So the attack on the Normandy maybe happened purely by chance.

The only reason that Shepard and team got out of the Collector ship is because of EDI, which Harbinger did not expect at all.

[MattHunX]

@Cordar

Yes, it was even stated by "Mr. Illusive" himself that EDI was the secret weapon, kinda. I wonder, though, about the identity of the race that could manage to disable a Reaper, last ditch effort or "last act of defiance" if I remember correctly, but you gotta wonder how advanced they were. The Protheans could build a relay, but couldn't put up a fight, that other nameless race long before the Protheans was even more advanced.

[Cordar]

Yes, EDI was the secret weapon, and being partly made of Reaper technology, she is one hell of a weapon.

And I believe the last resistance from the old race had more to do with the implementation of a bigger gun than usual instead of simply a more advanced one. Just meant that the ancient race was more of a warrior race rather than a scientific one.

[MattHunX]

@Cordar

Well, a gun's size isn't everything. I hope more will be revealed either in ME3 or maybe even in future DLC. LOL...can't wait for the Hammerhead DLC, comes with +5 mission for the Hammerhead.

[Hydra000001]

Hacked is what is most likely the Colector general idea has basically been analyzed and shot down on the forums

[Cordar]

And who said they'd only take information from just the Collector ship. The data shown at the end was very likely taken from the Collector base. likely along with much other data.

And of course they would collect evidence for a variety of things. Their most likely compiling everything they have found till now and gathering them into a report. It is not as if Shepard need to drag a live Reaper before the Council and force it to confess.

[Dacamster101]

great game, but i wonder, in ME3 i hpe we can can choose our team, as in have ME1 and ME2 players. i want my ME1 team back and maybe a few of these guys.

[Geetcher]

It's so comforting to be able to say that this ending wasn't a let down compared to the first game. However, the ME1 ending with the Council sacrificed for the sake of the human armada will always have a bigger place in my heart.

[myez]

I wonder how much significance keeping and destroying the station will have in ME3. Big decisions in ME1 didn't have too much affect on ME2, just a few character switches and interactions.

[elgar101]

@myez Don't forget letting the council die, i got moaned at throughout the game for that.

[myez]

You just get around 10 minutes of dialogue changed from probably the biggest decision of ME1. Other than your meeting with Anderson, it was pretty insignificant.

[Saetanigera]

Saving the council changes the c-sec dialog, the Quarian sidequest dialog, Thane's loyalty quest, random comments in the ward, the ward VI dialog, random comments on Omega, the asari side quest in the ward, and probably more I didn't notice

[myez]

Like I said, a fairly insignificant amount of change for the biggest decision in ME1. I wasn't expecting a total different game, but maybe a short quest or two which caters to the decision. At the very least being able to interact, let alone see, the human council.

I'm not complaining though, ME2 is a godly game. I'm just hoping destroying or not destroying the station will have a much bigger impact on ME3 than the council decision on ME2.

[raCteJ]

Hopefully they learned from the past stuff they did and actually make that have a fairly significant effect... but we'll find out. :|

[Spaceclown911]

also if u have miranda at this time on ur squad, the illusive man will argue with her

[KevinBusomjack]

I destroyed the base too. When I heard the Illusive man say he wanted to keep it I was just like

"enough of this asshole"

then I blew the place sky high.

[mfenix69]

@KevinBusomjack Absolutely. The best moment of this game was when shephard tells joker to "Lose this channel". I was like "FINALLY!"

[somberlight]

i blew the place skyhigh, even with my asshole shepard character. he's indeed just that annoying

[BrHydralysk]

@360freakazoidguy From the start Bioware said this was a trilogy, whether or not you do paragon or renegade decisions will be carried over to ME3 as long as you keep your saved game just like what they did with ME1s decisions in 2.

[Corvus54]

I always kept the base. But... I'm worried that The Illusive man will end up making a reaper, wich will lead to a whole new conflict to avoid having him take over the galaxy.

[degaboss]

ey dude how did u get all your teammates to the en i had only two in the end, did i had toi buy normandy upgrades or what?? dont understand

[Limbayz]

Normandy Upgrades

Loyalty missions completed

Chose right person for each "Specialist" and "Second Squad Leader" jobs

[roboguy75]

@Limbayz

who should I pick for second squad leader and who should I pick for specialist?

[Rodregon]

You should pick Tali as the specialist

[PauloPelle14]

Fire Team: Garrus

Tech Specialist: Tali

Escorter: Jacob

Second Fire Team: Miranda

Biotic Specialist: Samara.

Those were my choices with lyalty with all but Jack and I got the achievement first time.

Ship upgrades you need everything but the probe, planet scanner and med-bay upgrade.

[BrHydralysk]

After 40 hours into the campaign this ending made you feel like such a badass. Awesome game overall if you don't mind as much dialogue as combat.

[degaboss]

wow dude how come you played 40 hours and i only played 24 how did u get extra missions ans stuff man

[BrHydralysk]

@degaboss Did all the side mission from scanning the planets and looking around the cities, all the loyalty missions for my crew, and not skipping any of the dialogue. Loved every second of it (especially Tali).

[KHII]

NICE!