...Читаю остальные комментарии. Наслаждаюсь. Никакой английский не может скрыть НАШЕГО происхождения многих из них. Родиной повеяло. Где б скрыться от этого запашка?
Unfortunately people here are feeding the mutliple troll "serenaluce"/"Arpeggio" again by answering him - wasting your precious life time reading complete nonsense. Why not just give him the thumbs down, and those idiocies will quietly disappear.
@zeamiblossom1 If your English is so poor and you just don't UNDERSTAND what I write and what Oscar Wilde said please take English lessons and study it better!What is it to do with ME? If I know many real great countertenors, besides the same Max Emanuel Cencic whom you can hear in this video and can compare them and hear the difference why is it so BAD for YOU? Check my channel if you need advice whom to listen and use your own ears. I don't have to speak Chinese and Japanese to HEAR PJ's POP!
@larrydonguy Oscar Wilde was a GENIUS with the most sophisticated tastes, not for the crowd. PJ is just a POPULAR product on the market , entertainer for the people with very primitive tastes in music. Oscar Wilde said in his "An Ideal Husband' about Sir Robert Chiltern: "A personality of mark. Not popular-few personalities are. But intensely admired by few, and deeply respected by many". And in "Picture of Dorian Gray" about being MEDIOCRITY.He would HATE PJ, this Mr "castrated sweet sounds"!
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@chocotier No, serenaluce is simply exercising her right to express her opinion, which is that PJ sounds amplified even when there is no mic in view and that he sings in a dull pop style. We all have the right to our opinions.
@arpeggio1358 Absolutely! All opinions without personal insults should be welcome on YT. We don't speculate like such PJ's fans from the gutter like primohomme what is irrelevant, and only artist's talent matters.EMI posts this nonsense about PJ's album "Carestini: the story of castrato" - "This album will be a block buster and stir, centuries later, the publics taste for beauty and virtuosity, as was the case at the time of the famous castrato to whom Philippe pays homage".It's only an OPINION!
Is the schizophrenic "serenaluce"/"arpeggio" talking to himself again and trolling? It would really be better to ignore this TROLL in general. You are just wasting your time with them. I am sure you, dear reader, have better things to do with your precious life time!
@CaraPhilos Relax, honey, it's only exchange of OPINIONS! Are you against freedom of expression? What is your definition os TROLL? Who is this anonymous "dear reader"? Only one person? How about different listeners, and not readers of a somewhat book you mention here?:-) Merry Orthodox Christmas to you! Don't take any criticism about your favorite so close to heart! All OPIONIONS should be welcome in democratic society, don't you think?
@CaraPhilos The real trolls are people like you who can't stand it if soeone disagrees with them. Pop and opera are two different genres and each has merit, but the two genres shouldn't be confused.
@skitzo429 At last a sensinble person on this video who hears that great Cencic is much more superior to this overpromoted "virus" in the countertenor world PJ! Bravo!:-) It's such a pity that to keep his career going great Max Emanuel Cencic has to keep close to this pop singer PJ and waste his time and energy partcipating in recording this crap instead of working with real opera countertenors worthy of his highest level. And it's a shame that great Christie participates in this farce too...
@arpeggio1358 Thats debatable, in any case theres certainly no standard of what 'pop' style singing is for a countertenor. Jaroussky's voice is lighter with a narrower vibrato, which many would cite as being a perfect match for baroque opera. Cencic's voice is bigger and warmer, which from a contemporary perspective sounds more 'operatic' because its associated with familair romantic opera. Theyre different, but theres absolutely nothing in this video that is "pop" singing.
@skitzo429 To my ear, jaroussky sings in a dull style that I hear as pure pop. I would never think of him as having a voice meant for baroque opera. Also, his coloratura is often sloppy and off pitch. Whenever I hear him there is either and obvious mic right up in his face or he simply sounds amplified (as in his live opera performances). I certainly can tell an amplified voice from an unamplified one.
@arpeggio1358 theres nothing in this video or any other recording of him ive ever heard that has problems with pitch of coloratura. Again, theres no such thing as a "pop countertenor," so I really dont understand what about his singing has anything to do with pop.
@skitzo429 There is no artistry in Jaroussky's voice and I've heard plenty of recordings where his coloratura was sloppy and off pitch. I'm quite aware of the didderent types of CT voices. You're wrong about there being no such thing as a pop CT. Check out Vitas, who is a CT and who is definitely a pop singer.
@arpeggio1358 Im sorry, but you dont know what you're talking about, no offense. Firstly saying there is "no artistry" in any situation is entirely subjective. Second, countertenor is a developed and highly honed classical voice type, Vitas screams in falsetto (higher than real countertenors sing), comparing Vitas and PJ is perfectly ridiculous, and really just risible. Not every singer using falsetto is a countertenor, thats like calling Justin Timberlake a countertenor voice.
@skitzo429 Oh come on,arpeggio is a classically trained singer and it's ridiculous that you write to her that countertenor is"a highly honoured classical voice type"!She knows about real CTs much more than you and has sensitive ears to tell a real one from a "market product",a fake like PJ.Vitas also sings in falsetto some classical stuff but it doesn't make him a real CT like PJ.If you boast your master's degrees you can't hear that PJ imitates in his flat voice teenager?He's 35 soon! It's POP!
You keep claiming he is a pop singer and uses a micrphone, yet you cannot come upwith actual evidence of it other than your own opinion. I have actually heard him live, he does not use or requires artificial amplification or studio trickery as you suggest. And Vitas has never released a classical album or sung in an opera, comparing PJ and Vitas is like comparing Bartoli to Brightman, only an ignoranr charlatan would do so.
@primohomme Come on,all the evidence is just before your own ears in this video that PJ is only a POP singer performing classical stuff.And what PROOF you have?You keep saying like a broken record that YOU heard him LIVE?So what?I've heard many singers LIVE and can tell academic manner from pop!Did you check PJ with a metal detector that he DOESN'T use any mike?You gave ridiculous links where it's so easy to hide anything in PJ's big wig and turban. For you PJ in A dispetto a real Tamerlano?LOL
You and your lesbian lover keep talking about how he is a pop singer yet you have absolutely no proof of it, go back to eat each other's pussies and leave music for intelligent individuals.
@primohomme Your nasty (and completely untrue...I've never even met serenaluce) remarks go way beyond what is acceptable on YT. Vicious name calling is the last refuge for those who have no valid arguments. Why don't you take your vulgar mouth elsewhere.
@primohomme You think that vulgarity is the way to deal with someone who disagrees with you. Your garbage mouth is here for all to see. nobody here wants to see your foul comments that go way beyond disgusting. I had thought that opera fans were more civilized than you are. Why don't you go become a fan of rap, where they might appreciate your potty mouth.
@arpeggio1358 It's the best proof that PJ is just a POP singer and his promoters achieved their purpose - to attract more IGNORANT people from the GUTTER like this as if opera lover man "primohomme"! The true countertenor world is the most intelligent world where people even if argue don't use such foul language, as only sophisticated enough OPERA fans can enjoy TRUE CT singing. So, PJ's promoters wanted just to make money with cheap commercial crap, let them ATTRACT such fans to their POP PJ!
@arpeggio1358 It's what marketing strategy does: some people just make money on other people and want more money selling their product! PJ is just "junk food" for the ears but presented as true art. Fast food owners also present their product not as "junk food" but healthy food with low fat and it's POPULAR.Does it mean that it's really good?It's a pity that great Cencic and Christie participate in selling another PJ's cheap commercial crap!Christie thinks that nobody will notice that it's CRAP?
@chocotier What man? Christie or PJ? I don't hate any men:-). But here we are supposed to discuss ARTISTS, not men, unless you are like primohomme too. Actually I love men, and I'm happy married. Is it so SAD? LOL I wish you to find your half too!:-) But promotion already made zombies from PJ's fans whose cheer leaders appeal to them to vote against everybody who calls PJ pop and consider them trolls. On any other REAL CT video people are not so idiotic! But here:"Emperor has no clothes!"
@arpeggio1358 You see,what promotion does: they write "pure ethereal Jaroussky". Some even have hallucinations and see PJ as a "silver angel" with wings! I always advise such people to take a cold shower as obsession with a promoted TREND is a serious mental problem!LOL PJ doesn't have any "ethereal" as a CT. We have a real great Canadian CT Daniel Taylor with trully ETHEREAL,not nauseatically sugary timber with whom Christe recorded great stuff before, and now he multiplying only this CRAP?Sad!
@serenaluce Thye will not change their minds because of us. i just wish more of PJ's fans would listen to other countertenors before they proclaim PJ the best.
@zeamiblossom1 Good for you. So, what's your problem now?:-) And what is it to do with your educated friends? This video is about great Cencic and great Christie who have to lower their standards and multiply pure commecial POP crap so that this overpromoted pop nonentity PJ who pretends that he is a Countertenor can record another CT and call it "a new album by Philippe Jarousski" and Cencic will be mentioned only as his singing partner, his "vocal background". And Christie profanates ART now!
@lara777ize A pochemu zhe nel'zya vyrazit' svoe mnenie, chto v nashe vremya est' takie zamechatel'nye kontrtenory pomimo Cencic kak Lemos,Taylor, White, Mena, zamechatel'nye russkie kontrtenory kak Ryabets ili dazhe luchshe Dmitriy Egorov (vy ego slyshali?), absolyutno potryasayushii molodoi rumynskii talant Vladimir Catana, da i drugie est', kotorykh nikto ne znaet, a oni nosyatsya tol'ko s etim nedodelannym mal'chikom-zaichikom, u kotorogo tol'ko edinstvennyi talant - ugodit' "nuzhnym lyudyam"
@lara777ize Ya vam seichas links poshlyu. On kak raz poet Cara Sposa. Nu razve mozhno sravnivat' etu parodiyu na lyuboe barokko PJ v Cara Sposa s velikim Taylor, na moi vzglyad s luchshei interpretatsiei etoi zamechatel'noi arii?! Da eto zhe tsirk da i tol'ko! Pozor, chto eti deyateli ot kul'tury s barokko delayut kak Spinosi, Pluhar, Haim vmeste s PJ! Klouny, da i tol'ko! Nu, esli v ikh molodom vozraste prostitutsiei zanimat'sya eshe mozhno, to zachem Christie-to eto delaet v ego gody?!
@lara777ize Exactly, as you say POPULARITY! And you know what one and only Oscar Wilde, the genius said about it? "To be POPULAR one must be a mediocrity" It's exactly PJ's case! He is an overpromoted MEDIOCRITY who has only some ability to produce sweet pleasing the CROWD sounds, and in its majority people are the same no matter at what age! They don't want any DEPTH of interpretation, just to be ENTERTAINED. This Latin wisdom:"Panem et circenses" (Bread and sights).It's all PJ is made for!
@zeamiblossom1 Dear, take a sedative if you are so agitated. I was talking to my FRIEND on this video lara777ize. It was an exchange of OPINIONS again. I am not a PREACHER! LOL I wasn't talking to somewhat anomynous "us". I wasn't even talking to YOU! I don't care if you are already senile or not. I don't try to convince anybody to hate PJ. If you like him like POP, enjoy his empty chirping like a bird without any attachment to any opera character! You are against freedom of expression or what?
@serenaluce Dear, take a SERENASE because you are so delusive
I often meet a parsons who uses Same ward with opposite meaning .Like Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell (WAR IS PEACE) (FREEDOM IS SLAVERY) (IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH)
Your slogans ( BAROQUE IS POP) (SUPUREMACY IS CLAP)(NOBLENESS IS EDIOCRITY)
@zeamiblossom1 Dear, LOGIC isn't your forte. Where have I even written: "BAROQUE IS POP"? And "NOBLENESS IS EDIOCRTY"?! Please don't lie. If you can't understand what I mean it's better to be silent and not show more your STUPIDITY which is a SIN. Oscar Wilde said:"There is no sin except stupidity". If you think that I consider ALL baroque pop, why then I don't write here that great Cencic singing baroque is POP?Why do I call Cencic a REAL GREAT COUNTERTENOR with full and round voice and NOT PJ?
@serenaluce - good question, especially since you seem to think the thin-voiced and shrill Randall Wong is just fine.
Face it: just because you don't find a certain voice to your taste doesn't mean you're a better judge of voices than Andreas Scholl, William Christie, Max Cencic, Paul O'Dette, Christine Pluhar, and plenty of other professionals who line up to work with Jaroussky.
@evansquilt Dear,then everybody who dares to have an different opinion is a troll for you.Face it:for all the history of mankind people have argued what music should be. You think that Handel didn't argue with e.g Broschi or Porpora?Tchaikovsky didn't take Wagner's opera reform. You think your raving here that you toured PJ and checked him for mike is a proof? LOL All those artistis you mention and many others will kiss PJ's ass as he is POPULAR and with him they can make easy money.It's not art
@primohomme So what? I've seen MANY singers and even heard them LIVE to tell just a POPULAR entertainer like PJ serving the MARKET and making money on ignorant people from a REAL classicially trained singer! Your vulgarity knows no borders.So, you speculate that arpeggio and me are lesbian lovers.Do you have PROOF?You are trying to say that you saw PJ naked when he couldn't hide any mike because you and him are gay lovers?You can rave about anything you like.I won't lower myself to YOUR level!
If for you what you hear on CD is enough proof of his voice being a studio trick, then you and arpeggio defending each other is enough proof for me that you are dyke lovers licking each other's loose cunts.
@skitzo429 Don't lecture me about classical music. You can't even tell when a voice is amplified and when it isn't. There's a distinct difference in sound quality. I'm quite aware of the history of the CT. I've been listening to CT's for a very long time. I'm also a classically trained singer. Are you?
@arpeggio1358 Im a classically trained composer specializing in opera. You must troll around and argue with a lot of people, because you cant keep who youre flaming at straight, Ive not mentioned anything about amplification at all on this video, the only points ive made are that 1) PJ is not a "pop singer," as most of the other people with wikipedia music educations who comment here seem to think, and 2) people shouldnt be stating their opinions as fact, especailly when theyre ignorant.
@skitzo429 So what if you have some kind of education?No education in the world can guarantee talent.In any profession some are good, some are bad.Does it mean that all lawyers, teachers are brilliant only because they have a diploma?I know one classically trained composer,former classically trained baritone whose music is performed by symphony orchestras,etc.He's ignorant about CTs just being brainwashed by PROMOTION that PJ is the standard, and ALL CTs sing like him.But he didn't know OTHERS!
@serenaluce Maybe you havent noticed, but I stopped responding to your posts, because you dont knwo what youre talking about and its a waste of my time, so stop respodning to mine, which arent directed at you anyway.
@skitzo429 Maybe you haven't noticed that YT is public domain and not your kitchen where you didn't invite me!LOL You user name discribes you best of all as having some mental problems,and your comments just confirm it.You have a MEGALOMANIA, but you can't even have a normal discussion as you contradict yourself: first claim that you are such a great expert in baroque boasting your comewhat education which you can't PROVE like your buddy primohomme from the gutter and then you "don't like it"...
@serenaluce These people have no idea how very well educated you are concerning CTs and baroque music. They just assume you know nothing because you don't like Jaroussky's voice. I wonder how many of them have ever listened to other CTs like Spanos, Scholl, Lemos, Asawa, White, Taylor, Esswood, Oberlin, Bowman, Deller...
@arpeggio1358 Why can't they compare such soprano-like CT voices like Wong, Marian, Maniaci, Taylor, Christofellis, Ryabets, Asawa with PJ and see the difference? Because they don't know them well. Promotion tells them that they SHOULD like PJ,and that he is the best COUNTERTENOR in the world because he sells more albums than other artists in baroque. But fast food restaurants also claim that their food is the best in the world as they are POPULAR and make much money! Does it prove it's GREAT?
@skitzo429 My mistake. I should have said you can't recognize sloppy off pitch coloratura when you hear it. I never said my opinions were anything other than my opinions. You can't keep the people you're flaming at straight. I was singing opera before you were born, so I know a thing or two about it. My music education did not come from Wikipedia.I think PJ sings in a pop style. That is my opinion, and I'm entitled to it.
@skitzo429 So we hear voices differently, you and I. That doesn't make you right. You're entitled to your opinion and so am I. I listened to a couple of your compositions and they're actually fairly decent. You're so nasty though, that I would never attend a performance of anythihg you've written.
@arpeggio1358 haha thank you for your boycotting of my music. I dont claim to be any expert of PJ's repertory of recording, but theres nothing in this video thats out of tune, and of the few things Ive heard of him dont have glaring intonation problems, no more than a professional singer might make on occassion. Thats good that youre a real musician, what I have a problem with is people like serenaluce and other wikipedia assholes, who say "pop" and compare JP to people on Americas got talent.
@skitzo429 I have heard many, many of PJ's recordings.I'm basing my opinion of him on all of them. I've heard a lot of sloppy, off pitch coloratura from him. serenaluce didn't get her musical education from Wikipedia. She's quite well versed on CTs and opera in general. I don't recall her ever comparing PJ to people on AGT...like poor Jackie Evancho whose voice is going to be trashed before she's 20 because of poor technique.
@arpeggio1358 Absolutely. Being popular has nothing to do with real greatness as a singer in this case. PJ just is a better businessman than many other artists, but good marketing skills is a DIFFERENT talent! To become POPULAR one has to lower his or her level if it's higher to the AVERAGE level of the crowd to please and AMUSE it.That's all! These vulgar people here can't even discuss with me how different REAL countertenors from this fake PJ! I ask them to give NAMES,why don't they?Can't?
@skitzo429 Actually, you confuse lighter CT voice with a high FLAT pop voice of a FALSETTIST and just use somebody else's words for it. PJ just made a NAME for himself and became a POPULAR item, a trend on the musical market on people's ignorance what baroque is and what is operatic.Let me remind you that men were not castrated to sing only on HIGH notes.They didn't sound like innocent teenagers for the rest of their life, as singing isn't just producing lovely sounds but sharing artist's SOUL!
@arpeggio1358 From the academic point of view absolutely! Opera requires proper technique and sharing the artist's emotions according to the image, character of the musical drama. So, our only point is that PJ isn't a real CT but just an impostor in the CT world. Nothing bad with entertaining people, giving them joy with his sweet singing. But he sings everything in the same pop way with POP coloratura.He just should present it honest and sing in big venues always with a mike and claim it POP!
@skitzo429 So, only innocent boys could and still sing like little angels, and when they were castrated they still continued to grow though their body took different proportions from a regular male shape. But they still MATURED both physically and mentally. They were NOT innocent, and a mature man isn't supposed to sing pretending that he is still an innocent BOY,like a mature woman isn't supposed to pretend that she is still a girl.But in POP art it's done, like Evancho pretends she is a WOMAN!
@serenaluce Thank you for identifying yourself as a youtube troll who makes obnoxious SHOUTING CAPITAL responses at people they dont agree with, now I know to stop wasting my time. I have a music masters degree, don't talk to me like im ignorant, when its clear your music education came from wikipedia and Americas got talent. Lady Gaga is a 'pop singer,' PJ is a classically trained singer who sings baroque literature professionally, regardless of whether or not you like him, end of discussion.
@skitzo429 Skitzo identifies you better than any descriptions. Come on, you know nothing about cross-cultural awareness. I'm Russian, and many Russians on YT post comments in ONLY CAPITAL LETTERS without any SHOUTING. I only highlight some words to make my point clearer.Then go e.g. to Denis Korolev's videos and teach the whole nation YT etiquette how they should write in YOUR opinion.Then you should be ashamed of yourself if you've wasted time on your education and can't tell Cencis from POP PJ
@serenaluce Youre so invested in attacking people you dont even know what youre argueing about, the very first comment I posted on this video was about how different they were. You're obnoxious.
@skitzo429 Thank you for your opinion about ME:-). It's secondary if somewhat serenaluce on YT is good, or obnoxious, nice or attacking people. It's about communication, discussion on YT. But it still doesn't make PJ classically trained CD. He is a trained violinist who found out that he can also superficially play on his vocal cords without any depth and make more money by it.Lighter or heavier voice doesn't describe POP.E.g. Wong, Christohfellis,Taylor,Kotoski,Ryabets are soprano, but not POP!
@skitzo429 - ah, you've serenaluce. S/he trolls every single Jaroussky video claiming he's miked, occasionally with homophobic comments about his "manicured female fingers." I've tried pointing out that Jaroussky being a pop singer would require that the cream of the early music world be in on the fraud, not that it does any good. Even saying that I've seen him live and he was definitely *not* miked hasn't changed her opinion.
@evansquilt I think its a woman, ive been ignoring her for a long time. anyone with a wikipedia music education who wants to throw down with me even after they know I have a masters degree in music and they have no idea what theyre talking about is a fool, and shes a stupid cunt. I can see the sentiment is one others share, since my comments are the highest rated ones on this video.
@skitzo429 Friend,you can think about me whatever you like and bragg your as if somewhat master's degree in music and PJ's fans will just applaud you because you use swearwords as if proof of your musical knowledge and competence.Either women or men have neglected you all your life as you have nothing better to do than to call somebody "a stupid cunt".Actually for intelligent people it's no brainer to figure out that if your user's name is"skitzo"you have big mental problems.I feel sorry for you
They both sound different, because every singer fortunately is unique, but they blend wonderfully, they do a magnificent job, (mr Christie has really put them to work!), and I love both voices as well as the extraordinary and rare music, which they have hereby preserved from extinction.
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@alonsomoscoso2910 If not for this shitty modern tendency that they use POP singers mixed with real opera singers just to attract more people to theatres and concert halls to make more money on people's ignorance to present POP as true classical art, GREAT CENCIC would sing only with other GREAT COUNTERTENORS like Lemos, Scholl, Taylor, White, Spanos, Lesne, and PJ wouldn't even stand with him on the same stage if it's not done just for fun! It's like to sell Callas they put Brightman on CD!
@primohomme Come on,I know your methods.If I dare criticize your precious Bartoli whom you call GODDESS as your only musical argument you call me a "fucking cunt",you "gentleman".Is PJ god too?Madam JaRoWie sent you to fight with "trolls"who are not drugged by her"Prince Charming"'s PURE POPsinging?Don't write this demagogy:promotion can make "real opera singer"of every Brightman, Bocelli or PJ!Career to prove?It's the MANNER in which he sings proves he is POP with sweet special effects trills!
Yes, the way one sings is what distinguishes an opera singer from a pop singer
Pop singers use microphones, opera singers don't
Phillipe Jaroussky sings without artificial amplification in the theater, thus he is an opera singer. And no sorry darling, Sarah Brightman and Andrea Bocelli do not have genuine operatic credits under their belt, Andrea tried and was laughed at, Sarah has only done musical theater.
@primohomme Take a sedative first if you can't just exchange opinions on YT and have a megalomania that you are always RIGHT! Please don't commit suicide on the New year's night! Have a seat:it's easier to type!LOL Bocelli has recordings with true opera singers like Carmen, Andrea Chenier, I Pagliacci, and it's written on covers "World's best tenor". His crazy fans will eat you alive for such words.A man pretending that he is a teenager and without middle and low registers is FALSETTIST, not CT!
Oh no darling, I wouldn't commit suicide, first someone like you or from your family would get killed by a drunk driver :)
Jaroussky has a middle and low registers, he sings down to F3 in both his Vivaldi cantatas disc and his Carestini disc, and in the Carestini disc he sings also up to soprano high A, covering over 2 octaves.
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@primohomme I love you too darling!LOLBut I am a kind person and don't wish anybody to get killed as a musical argument:-)Oh,come on, PJ's Vivaldi cantatas are just miserable childish bleating only on high notes with his empty sweet trills with cheap POP coloratura.I have great Cencic's Vivaldi cantatas where he sings as MATURE man, not a touching sexless "Innocent" angel! After Cencic, Lesne, REAL CTs PJ is impossible to listen!How come Gruberova has wider range you say she has no MIDDLE NOTES?
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@primohomme PJ's voice is absolutely FLAT! There's no volume there, no variety. Only monotonous singing on ONE note, if Gruberova has only 3 in her throat to YOU! And the others praise her very high, and she has a more glorious career to prove it than somewhat POP falsettist PJ and somewhat YT user primohomme says! And who are YOU? Vivaldi himself? You can give whatever letters you like discribing as if PJ's "wide" range.Can't you compare here TRUE CT Cencic with FULL, ROUND voice with PJ's BS?!
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@primohomme Dear, Gruberova has much more recordings than PJ. I have her arias e.g. on CD Bach famous arias among e.g. Pregardien. I've read an article where a musical critic called her singing "unbelievable". Just 2 examples. But he forgot to mention there his age and sexual orientation! So, I don't know if he is an old gay! LOL Concerning gays, if you think that they understand nothing and are inferior to YOU, how can you praise PJ if he is a young gay? Don't you think that it's irrelevant?
@primohomme Dear, REAL CTs have deep, well-developed LOW notes, and sing MANLY, MASCULINE with FULL, ROUND VOICE no matter how high. PJ is just a virus in CT world who attracts people to theatres and concert halls with his sweet empty sounds detached from any character of the opera or cantata! PJ is a MANLY lover capable of signing a LOVE aria like Sol da te?LOL PJ is a MANLY ruthless tyrant Tamerlano in A dispetto? PJ is a FURIOUS, WICKED Farnace in Venga pur? Please don't make me LAUGH! LOL
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@primohomme It's exactly my point that you can't have a civilized discussion on YT, and have a megalomania! Everybody who has a different OPINION from your only OPINION, and nothing else, you call names! Prove that YOU are not an IDIOT! Of course, e.g. Cencic, Lesne, Taylor, White, Wong, Christofellis, Marian, Lemos all have different types of voices but what they have in common is that they all belong to CT world and PJ is just POP!Cencic is INCREDIBLE in his Rossini recordings!Happy New year!
Again, when has Jaroussky recorded pop music? When has he recorded with close-proximity mic (in this recording he is same distance from the mic as Cencic)? When has Jarousky used digital effects or pitch correction on his recordings of performances? When has Jaroussky sung with pre-recorded background music or pre-recorded vocals? When has Jaroussky recorded anything not written at least a full 100 years ago?
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@primohomme If you are such a big expert in classical music as you pretend to be why are playing innocent as if you were just an ignorant average PJ's fan who doesn't understand any Italian, what opera is about, that singing isn't just producing sweet empty trills to show off PJ's superficial playing on his vocal cords without any attachment to the IMAGE and sharing an artist's SOUL?It's DEMAGOGY,darling.Singing opera stuff in a FLAT voice like POP songs makes him a POP singer.Only Vitas is POP?
That could be argued of every classical vocalist with a light voice...
But that is besides the point, the point is that what distinguished classical operatic vocalists from pop singers is that opera singers sing without artificial amplification, and when they do need microphones such as in recordings...the microphone is at least a couple of feet from the mouth, such as in this video where Jaroussky's microphone is the same distance from him as Cencic's is from him.
@primohomme Actually PJ's voice always sounds artificial and AMPLIFIED! In some videos on YT it's clearly heard that every time he turns from the microphone he almost isn't heard at all. It's absolutely clear that he has a very weak, small voice. He has no proper operatic technique for his voice to soar. In many videos he sings with a microphone.So, what's the problem? Sound technicians nowadays can create any ILLUSION.His mike can be just stronger.There are many dirty tricks just to sell crap!
@primohomme Have a seat too.In show business pop singers use all kinds of tricks, e.g. can have hidden microphones to amplify their voices,they even can "rectify" the sound.Well, perhaps PJ was just not in his best voice but e.g. in the video "Happy birthday! Superbo!" on JaRoWie's channel he even can't hit the right notes! If I were her I would have never uploaded that shit which is bad even for PJ! Pop singers can even lip sing while honest ones WORK.Don't pretend that you don't know all this!
Again, you keep talking about microphone tricks and studio tricks
But when has Jaroussky done any of that? When has he sung with close-proximity microphone in his recordings or the stage? When has he introduced effects or pitch correction on his recordings? I want receipts, so you either produce these receipts or shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down.
@primohomme I have never seen Jaroussky without a microphone. Even in his live opera videos it can be easily heard that he is amplified. I can tell the difference between amplified and unamplified sound. I also hear a big difference between PJ and really good operatic CTs. To my ear, PJ sings in a dull, flat, pop style with none of the beauty of tone or excellent coloratura technique that distinguishes CTs like Scholl, Spanos, Cencic, Esswood, Asawa, etc.
@arpeggio1358 I couldn't agree more with you here! PJ is just a POP singer which means POPULAR! He just has a special talent to please the crowd with his FLAT voice, sweet isolated sounds and find the right people to record him. If he presented it in the honest way as "classics in pop interpretations" and always sang in big venues with an open mike and wasn't infiltrated into opera productions among true opera singers I wouldn't care at all.But if he presents it as TRUE baroque I JUDGE him!
@primohomme No darling how about making an idiot of YOURSELF."Jaroussky is a real opera singer and has the career to prove it"You began with this statement.It's only YOUR opinion.Gruberova has a bigger career to prove but you write:" Gruberova only has 3 good notes in her throat, and they are above high C"Then finally agreed that pop singers are heard by the MANNER,not only repertoir. You can't distinguish Cencic's FULL voice from PJ's FLAT POP one. Prove that PJ DOESN'T use stronger mike!
She was great in the high coloratura Austrian roles, thus she is only good in that tessitura...because if one takes as evidence her attempts at the Assoluta roles, she is absolutely dreadful, and the fact you defend her attempts in that repertoire shows just where you stand *rolls eyes*
@primohomme I said that YOU are not the ABSOLUTE TRUTH,no AUTHORITY only because you've uploaded some videos on your channel as a somewhat anonymous PRIMOHOMME! And who are YOU to claim that Bartoli is a GODDESS or PJ is a REAL CT?! I said that it's only exhchange of OPINIONS on YT, and nothing else! But you have a MEGALOMANIA, and can't stand anybody who doesn't agree with your OPINION! Bartoli began as a very promising singer but degradated only into POP amusing with UGLY sounds,PJ with SWEET!
@primohomme And who told you that I adore Gruberova?I don't stand with rolling eyes! I didn't give you my OPINION on her singing! You said that a CAREER can prove something! But PJ or Bartoli have careers, and they are POPULAR. But popularity isn't real greatness. It just shows that they can please the CROWD, lower themselves to the level of AVERAGE ignorant people and make MONEY on them!Who are the critics?It's their profession to praise those who are POPULAR and are better made for the MARKET!
Do you think Bartoli would be as successful as she is if she couldn't actually sing the music she is singing? (I refer in the baroquer repertoire, not bel canto)
We are not talking about Christina Aguilera here, who can't even sing well in tune and is praised as if she was a good singer, we are talking about singers who actually sing extremely challenging music, and sing it well and in tune...All else (such as your accusations about using a "special" mic" are delusions!
@primohomme Who cares about your Christina Aguilera who sings her own pop stuff, and nobody can confuse her with an opera singer? Compare her with Rihanna,Jenifer Lopez, Lady Gaga.There's a special category of pop singers who perform CLASSICS, operatic stuff in POP MANNER making it POPOPERA but claiming it as OPERA like Brightman,Church, Evancho, Bocelli.Who knows what baroque is if the majority are afraid of it and think it's pornography?They hear PJ and happy!LOL You agree that PJ is popular?
@arpeggio1358 Also,I can add many more names to yours like Lesne,Lemos,Wong, Marian,Chance, Ragin, Esswood,Ryabets, Sabata,Taylor,Kowalski, young and very talented CT Vladimir Catana. They are all different, have different technique and range:some use more falsetto, some have there natural unbroken voices, some are soprano-like,some contralto. We could discuss them,but they are all real Countertenors with FULL voices unlike PJ's pure POP!Here we have GREAT CENCIC to hear all the PROOF!He is CT!
@primohomme Darling,it's funny. PJ in those videos you gave doesn't even use his diaphragm as opera singers do, and it shows.He produces everywhere only weak sweet trills that sound artificial, like an automation slightly modifying his singing according to different tunes "castrating" any aria of its meaning.You couldn't confirm that PJ is really FURIOUS, WICKED Farnace in Venga pur! Prove that in 1st video PJ doesn't use hidden mike e.g.in his WIG and in 2nd in his TURBAN. How about Superbo?
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@primohomme Neither of these links worked. I'm guessing that if the mic wasn't in view that he had a hidden mic. Were these live opera performances? I've watched many, many PJ videos and in all of them, if the mic wasn't in view, it was obvious that he was still somehow amplified...hidden mic maybe?
@primohomme Darling, again,you become overexcited and take things out of proportion. Who are YOU to demand any proof?Police officer?In case you forgot it's only YT where people post COMMENTS,exchange OPINIONS on what they see and HEAR on videos.This is a MUSICAL video,and I have my own EARS to hear all the tricks!If you uploaded some PJ's videos you don't have more authority!You are only anonymous PRIMOHOMME who is just pissed off that someone has a different OPINION!You can't be RIGHTER! Relax!
@primohomme serenaluce never said that Brightman and Bocelli have genuine operatic credits. Do you actually read what people say or do you just comment on what you think you heard? Again, vulgar, nasty remarks are the last refuge for those with no valid arguments.
@primohomme Dear, what PROOF you have that PJ doesn't use hidden microphone? What is it to do with HATRED? We have EARS to hear that PJ has no proper OPERATIC technique to be called a COUNTERTENOR and sing in opera productions at all! He has an absolutely FLAT voice, sings only on HIGH notes in his POP style. He is just infiltrated into CT world to MAKE money on ignorant people who are just consumers of SWEET sounds! Why then we don't "HATE" the same Cencic and don't say that he isn't a real CT?
@primohomme I don't hate PJ. I simply don't like his voice and the style in which he sings. You sound just like those Jackie fans you rail against, calling people who don't like a singer that you like haters. If someone didn't like my favorite singer (and there have been those who don't like him) I certainly wouldn't beat them up and call them haters. I would have expected more civility from someone of your sophistication.
@primohomme I've heard many of PJ's live operatic performances and he sounded amplified in every one. When I hear amplification, what other choice do I have than to think he has a hidden mic?
Do you have actual evidence that he is wearing a microphone?
You do know that microphones are used for EVERYBODY, not just Jaroussky, when they are taping/recording an opera for broadcast, right? and it's usually not on them but on the ceiling or the floor.
And comparing Jaroussky to Jackie Evancho is riduclous, like comparing Renee Fleming to Charlotte Church.
@primohomme Come on, comparing PJ with the same GREAT REAL countertenor Max Emanuel Cencic is as ridiculous as comparing Fleming with Church. PJ belongs to the same category of POP OPERA singers who perform opera stuff in POP MANNER.It's stupid to compare men with women and children pretending they are mature women like Evancho.But in this category there's subcategory of pop FALSETTISTS like Vitas and Nomi.Mike should be used for EVERYBODY equally,not more tricks for PJ to AMPLIFY only HIS pop!
@primohomme Are you in Wal-Mart asking for receipts where you bought PJ's pure POP recordings in the section between toilet paper and chips?These are all POPULAR items. PJ is just the same POPULAR items to please the crowd.You get too agitated.It's only YT where people exchange OPINIONS, not RECEIPTS!LOL Get over it! Show YOUR receipts then that PJ isn't amplified!You claim that you're an expert in opera but your only argument is that PJ has a career and his MIKE is the same distance from Cencic
@primohomme PJ sounds amplified when the other singers don't. I think comparing PJ to Jackie is more like comparing Paul Potts to Charlotte Church. the man sings in a dull, pop style. Real operatic CTs like Scholl, Esswood, Spanos, Asawa sound much different and much better in comparison.
@primohomme Actually, I wasn't comparing PJ to JE. I was saying that when you disagree with serenaluce and me, you sound like JE's nasty fans who call anyone who disagrees with them haters, losers, persons with no self-esteem, and worse. There is a difference between that and comparing PJ to JE.
@arpeggio1358 Absolutely, but PJ's averange fans just don't understand what we are talking about. They are just brainwashed by promotion that he is the greatest and don't even realize that POP isn't an insult. They are just manipulated by some people to vote not for primohomme's irrelevant comments but for ANY comments against OURS.The majority can't understand any technique.They only say that they like PJ's voice.Can't analize it.He just has a special talent to please the crowd. Is it so bad?
@serenaluce They're never going to realize that pop isn't an insult. They've decided that we hate PJ, and won't pay any attention when we say that we just want people to know the difference between opera and pop opera performers. Everything is an insult to them because they hear what they want to hear.
@arpeggio1358 Of course, it isn't insult. When I say PJ's primitive singing it's only from the academic point of view as if ANY singer ventures to sing CLASSICAL STUFF, e.g. such demanding stuff as BAROQUE one is not judged by pop standards like Christina Aguilera or JLo "I'm still Jenny from the block" but by higher OPERATIC standards! They can enjoy the voice but it shoud be presented in the RIGHT way. Nothing bad with chips either, but please let them not try to sell it to me as HEALTHY food!
And you claim he is artificially amplified with absolutely no proof of it other than your schizophrenic delusions. Have you even heard him in person to actually claim with certainty he uses artificial amplification? No? then shove the dildo back in your mouth and shut the fuck up.
@primohomme If you can't get real that it's only YOUTUBE where people can exchange only OPINIONS and can't attach material proofs to their comments it's only YOUR problem, not the others. Get REAL at last! You can't prove either that PJ's microphone isn't adusted to amplify it more! All the PROOF is before your own ears in PJ's FLAT WEAK POP voice,and there's still ILLUSION that he sings as loud as Cencic! "Don't use big words.They mean so little."(Oscar Wilde)... Dismissed.Check your own EARS!
@primohomme Your rudeness and vulgarity know no end. What horrid things you say to serenaluce...and all because she thinks PJ sings in a pop style. I think he sings in a pop style too, so I assume your admonitions apply to me too. You need to crawl back into the pigsty from whence you came.
@serenaluce primohomme is just a rude vulgar man. He has pretensions of being educated and cultured, but he is just a crude vulgarian. He will never understand what we're trying to say.
@arpeggio1358 I couldn't agree more with you here. Artists are public figures, and they are supposed to be judged by all LISTENERS, and not only by obsessed fans. All OPINIONS are welcome.Listening to a singer and saying that he sings not in a true academic manner to be called a countertenor isn't an insult. But I'm against this shitty tendency nowadays to mix POP singers like PJ with opera singers like great Cencic or Bocelli with Terfel just to attract more people who can't tell the difference
@serenaluce Exactly. That Pearl Fishers duet with Terfel and Bocelli is a mess because the performace had to be to be amplified so Bocelli could be heard. Poor Terfel sounds distorted because of the amplification (which he doesn't need). I suppose Bocelli's fans were all raving about how great he sounded and thought Terfel sounded terrible, because they couldn't understand that the real opera singer didn't need amplification. Then again maybe they couldn't tell the difference.
@arpeggio1358 Also,it's not so bad to POPULARIZE opera when many people who otherwise wouldn't know that e.g. baroque isn't a swearword with naked people, orgies and only pursuit of sensual pleasures, when modern people are so scared that castrati with their MATURE men's singing with HUGE range to express HUMAN emotions made some people swoon...that they can swoon too, hear PJ's FLAT emotionally "castrated" voice...survive it:-) But it's just a DIFFERENT genre - classics in POP INTERPRETATIONS!
@serenaluce What these people don't realize also is that if PJ were really embraced by the opera world, he would sing a lot more live opera roles than the one or two he does in a given year. He sings mostly concerts because that is the way his many fans who like his pop style can enjoy him.
@arpeggio1358 Absolutely! Even 1 or 2 live opera productions where he participates are too much for him as he is just a POP singer to attract people who can't tell the difference that he sings not in the academic manner but in an primitive "easy to swallow" to the theatre...People who vote here for primohomme's comments even don't understand what is all about. It's typical for POP SINGERS fans who are just united against ANYBODY who doesn't rave about their empty pop idol.PJ versus Aguilera? LOL
@arpeggio1358 Aguilera sings better and Jeniffer Lopez sings better:-). PJ even can't hit the right notes in his video on YT "Happy birthday .Superbo!!!!". It's a shame actually. So painful to listen, but as he is just overpromoted people react to BIG NAMES, they are only like in trance chanting "Prince Charming Philippe, the best countertenor in the world" without understanding what it actually means.They would react the same way if they saw Paris Hilton!LOLThey don't understand what POP means!
what is that instrument which looks like a guitar? it's special, I hear that in a lot classical and baroque music!
bernice0624 2 days ago
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@bernice0624
It's theorbe (big lute).
...Читаю остальные комментарии. Наслаждаюсь. Никакой английский не может скрыть НАШЕГО происхождения многих из них. Родиной повеяло. Где б скрыться от этого запашка?
leEnfantSage 1 day ago
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Unfortunately people here are feeding the mutliple troll "serenaluce"/"Arpeggio" again by answering him - wasting your precious life time reading complete nonsense. Why not just give him the thumbs down, and those idiocies will quietly disappear.
CaraPhilos 2 weeks ago
@serenaluce Thanks to your admiration to me by serenaluce’s NEW SPEAK. Its so glad to be said by you. LOGIC isn't your forte .STUPIDITY .
They must be opposite definition of Mine .Ah poor Oscar Wilde! in such quotation by such a person.
I see you know many countertenor singer. You are so CLEVER .
Can you teach me 無学者論に負けず。In English? English isn’t my native .
And sorry (NOBLE IS MEDIOCRITY) M was lucking.
zeamiblossom1 1 month ago
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@zeamiblossom1 If your English is so poor and you just don't UNDERSTAND what I write and what Oscar Wilde said please take English lessons and study it better!What is it to do with ME? If I know many real great countertenors, besides the same Max Emanuel Cencic whom you can hear in this video and can compare them and hear the difference why is it so BAD for YOU? Check my channel if you need advice whom to listen and use your own ears. I don't have to speak Chinese and Japanese to HEAR PJ's POP!
serenaluce 1 month ago
seria genial que los interpretaran la aria, duet flowers de lakme también interesante
boisex1 1 month ago
I saw Cencic with his stage mama ;-) but oh, he has grown up and singing greatly with Jaroussky! Wonderful!
gosealhunt 1 month ago 2
Oscar Wilde would have loved Jaroussky's voice!
larrydonguy 1 month ago
@larrydonguy Oscar Wilde was a GENIUS with the most sophisticated tastes, not for the crowd. PJ is just a POPULAR product on the market , entertainer for the people with very primitive tastes in music. Oscar Wilde said in his "An Ideal Husband' about Sir Robert Chiltern: "A personality of mark. Not popular-few personalities are. But intensely admired by few, and deeply respected by many". And in "Picture of Dorian Gray" about being MEDIOCRITY.He would HATE PJ, this Mr "castrated sweet sounds"!
serenaluce 1 month ago
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@larrydonguy Good god, I would hope that somjeone of such refinement as Wilde would see through all of the hype and pay no attention to Jaroussky.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
Both are so beautiful. Pure ethereal Jaroussky, and warm elegant Cencic.
zeamiblossom1 1 month ago
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and again serenaluce is annoying the heck out of people when they just wanna listen to some music :D beware the omnipresent watchdog of pedantry!
chocotier 1 month ago
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@chocotier No, serenaluce is simply exercising her right to express her opinion, which is that PJ sounds amplified even when there is no mic in view and that he sings in a dull pop style. We all have the right to our opinions.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
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@arpeggio1358 Absolutely! All opinions without personal insults should be welcome on YT. We don't speculate like such PJ's fans from the gutter like primohomme what is irrelevant, and only artist's talent matters.EMI posts this nonsense about PJ's album "Carestini: the story of castrato" - "This album will be a block buster and stir, centuries later, the publics taste for beauty and virtuosity, as was the case at the time of the famous castrato to whom Philippe pays homage".It's only an OPINION!
serenaluce 1 month ago
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chocotier 1 month ago
Is the schizophrenic "serenaluce"/"arpeggio" talking to himself again and trolling? It would really be better to ignore this TROLL in general. You are just wasting your time with them. I am sure you, dear reader, have better things to do with your precious life time!
CaraPhilos 1 month ago 15
@CaraPhilos Relax, honey, it's only exchange of OPINIONS! Are you against freedom of expression? What is your definition os TROLL? Who is this anonymous "dear reader"? Only one person? How about different listeners, and not readers of a somewhat book you mention here?:-) Merry Orthodox Christmas to you! Don't take any criticism about your favorite so close to heart! All OPIONIONS should be welcome in democratic society, don't you think?
serenaluce 1 month ago
@CaraPhilos The real trolls are people like you who can't stand it if soeone disagrees with them. Pop and opera are two different genres and each has merit, but the two genres shouldn't be confused.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
@CaraPhilos
THANK YOU.
JaRoWi1647 1 month ago 8
Cencic's voice has so much more colour
skitzo429 1 month ago 2
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@skitzo429 At last a sensinble person on this video who hears that great Cencic is much more superior to this overpromoted "virus" in the countertenor world PJ! Bravo!:-) It's such a pity that to keep his career going great Max Emanuel Cencic has to keep close to this pop singer PJ and waste his time and energy partcipating in recording this crap instead of working with real opera countertenors worthy of his highest level. And it's a shame that great Christie participates in this farce too...
serenaluce 1 month ago
@skitzo429 That's because Jaroussky sings in a pop style that is unsuited to opera or classical music. Cencic is a true operatic countertenor.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
@arpeggio1358 Thats debatable, in any case theres certainly no standard of what 'pop' style singing is for a countertenor. Jaroussky's voice is lighter with a narrower vibrato, which many would cite as being a perfect match for baroque opera. Cencic's voice is bigger and warmer, which from a contemporary perspective sounds more 'operatic' because its associated with familair romantic opera. Theyre different, but theres absolutely nothing in this video that is "pop" singing.
skitzo429 1 month ago 6
@skitzo429 To my ear, jaroussky sings in a dull style that I hear as pure pop. I would never think of him as having a voice meant for baroque opera. Also, his coloratura is often sloppy and off pitch. Whenever I hear him there is either and obvious mic right up in his face or he simply sounds amplified (as in his live opera performances). I certainly can tell an amplified voice from an unamplified one.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
@arpeggio1358 theres nothing in this video or any other recording of him ive ever heard that has problems with pitch of coloratura. Again, theres no such thing as a "pop countertenor," so I really dont understand what about his singing has anything to do with pop.
skitzo429 1 month ago 12
@skitzo429 There is no artistry in Jaroussky's voice and I've heard plenty of recordings where his coloratura was sloppy and off pitch. I'm quite aware of the didderent types of CT voices. You're wrong about there being no such thing as a pop CT. Check out Vitas, who is a CT and who is definitely a pop singer.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
@arpeggio1358 Im sorry, but you dont know what you're talking about, no offense. Firstly saying there is "no artistry" in any situation is entirely subjective. Second, countertenor is a developed and highly honed classical voice type, Vitas screams in falsetto (higher than real countertenors sing), comparing Vitas and PJ is perfectly ridiculous, and really just risible. Not every singer using falsetto is a countertenor, thats like calling Justin Timberlake a countertenor voice.
skitzo429 1 month ago 6
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@skitzo429 Oh come on,arpeggio is a classically trained singer and it's ridiculous that you write to her that countertenor is"a highly honoured classical voice type"!She knows about real CTs much more than you and has sensitive ears to tell a real one from a "market product",a fake like PJ.Vitas also sings in falsetto some classical stuff but it doesn't make him a real CT like PJ.If you boast your master's degrees you can't hear that PJ imitates in his flat voice teenager?He's 35 soon! It's POP!
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce
You keep claiming he is a pop singer and uses a micrphone, yet you cannot come upwith actual evidence of it other than your own opinion. I have actually heard him live, he does not use or requires artificial amplification or studio trickery as you suggest. And Vitas has never released a classical album or sung in an opera, comparing PJ and Vitas is like comparing Bartoli to Brightman, only an ignoranr charlatan would do so.
primohomme 1 month ago 6
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@primohomme Come on,all the evidence is just before your own ears in this video that PJ is only a POP singer performing classical stuff.And what PROOF you have?You keep saying like a broken record that YOU heard him LIVE?So what?I've heard many singers LIVE and can tell academic manner from pop!Did you check PJ with a metal detector that he DOESN'T use any mike?You gave ridiculous links where it's so easy to hide anything in PJ's big wig and turban. For you PJ in A dispetto a real Tamerlano?LOL
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce
The proof is that I've seen him LIVE, have you?
You and your lesbian lover keep talking about how he is a pop singer yet you have absolutely no proof of it, go back to eat each other's pussies and leave music for intelligent individuals.
primohomme 1 month ago 2
@primohomme Your nasty (and completely untrue...I've never even met serenaluce) remarks go way beyond what is acceptable on YT. Vicious name calling is the last refuge for those who have no valid arguments. Why don't you take your vulgar mouth elsewhere.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
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@arpeggio1358
And you take your mouth to my ass and my balls and lick lick lick lick
primohomme 1 month ago
@primohomme You think that vulgarity is the way to deal with someone who disagrees with you. Your garbage mouth is here for all to see. nobody here wants to see your foul comments that go way beyond disgusting. I had thought that opera fans were more civilized than you are. Why don't you go become a fan of rap, where they might appreciate your potty mouth.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
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@arpeggio1358 It's the best proof that PJ is just a POP singer and his promoters achieved their purpose - to attract more IGNORANT people from the GUTTER like this as if opera lover man "primohomme"! The true countertenor world is the most intelligent world where people even if argue don't use such foul language, as only sophisticated enough OPERA fans can enjoy TRUE CT singing. So, PJ's promoters wanted just to make money with cheap commercial crap, let them ATTRACT such fans to their POP PJ!
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce You're right. primohomme's crude comments really show that he crawled out of a gutter.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
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@arpeggio1358 It's what marketing strategy does: some people just make money on other people and want more money selling their product! PJ is just "junk food" for the ears but presented as true art. Fast food owners also present their product not as "junk food" but healthy food with low fat and it's POPULAR.Does it mean that it's really good?It's a pity that great Cencic and Christie participate in selling another PJ's cheap commercial crap!Christie thinks that nobody will notice that it's CRAP?
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce
oh my, you really must hate the man. kind of sad.
chocotier 1 month ago
@chocotier What man? Christie or PJ? I don't hate any men:-). But here we are supposed to discuss ARTISTS, not men, unless you are like primohomme too. Actually I love men, and I'm happy married. Is it so SAD? LOL I wish you to find your half too!:-) But promotion already made zombies from PJ's fans whose cheer leaders appeal to them to vote against everybody who calls PJ pop and consider them trolls. On any other REAL CT video people are not so idiotic! But here:"Emperor has no clothes!"
serenaluce 1 month ago
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@serenaluce i can't find the Emperor's clother either. LOL
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
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@arpeggio1358 You see,what promotion does: they write "pure ethereal Jaroussky". Some even have hallucinations and see PJ as a "silver angel" with wings! I always advise such people to take a cold shower as obsession with a promoted TREND is a serious mental problem!LOL PJ doesn't have any "ethereal" as a CT. We have a real great Canadian CT Daniel Taylor with trully ETHEREAL,not nauseatically sugary timber with whom Christe recorded great stuff before, and now he multiplying only this CRAP?Sad!
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce Thye will not change their minds because of us. i just wish more of PJ's fans would listen to other countertenors before they proclaim PJ the best.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
@serenaluce Thanks to your KIND advice..But I have no needs.
I have good musical educated friends . and many books about classical music.
I trust them and above all my ear.
zeamiblossom1 1 month ago 4
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@zeamiblossom1 Good for you. So, what's your problem now?:-) And what is it to do with your educated friends? This video is about great Cencic and great Christie who have to lower their standards and multiply pure commecial POP crap so that this overpromoted pop nonentity PJ who pretends that he is a Countertenor can record another CT and call it "a new album by Philippe Jarousski" and Cencic will be mentioned only as his singing partner, his "vocal background". And Christie profanates ART now!
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce По мне так JP скучен, однообразен и абсолютно не интересен. Стоит ли ломать копья в спорах о нем?
lara777ize 1 month ago
@lara777ize A pochemu zhe nel'zya vyrazit' svoe mnenie, chto v nashe vremya est' takie zamechatel'nye kontrtenory pomimo Cencic kak Lemos,Taylor, White, Mena, zamechatel'nye russkie kontrtenory kak Ryabets ili dazhe luchshe Dmitriy Egorov (vy ego slyshali?), absolyutno potryasayushii molodoi rumynskii talant Vladimir Catana, da i drugie est', kotorykh nikto ne znaet, a oni nosyatsya tol'ko s etim nedodelannym mal'chikom-zaichikom, u kotorogo tol'ko edinstvennyi talant - ugodit' "nuzhnym lyudyam"
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce О Егорове слышала, но его самого - нет. Что он исполняет? Как я уже говорила, приемлю контратеноров лишь в барокко.
lara777ize 1 month ago
@lara777ize Ya vam seichas links poshlyu. On kak raz poet Cara Sposa. Nu razve mozhno sravnivat' etu parodiyu na lyuboe barokko PJ v Cara Sposa s velikim Taylor, na moi vzglyad s luchshei interpretatsiei etoi zamechatel'noi arii?! Da eto zhe tsirk da i tol'ko! Pozor, chto eti deyateli ot kul'tury s barokko delayut kak Spinosi, Pluhar, Haim vmeste s PJ! Klouny, da i tol'ko! Nu, esli v ikh molodom vozraste prostitutsiei zanimat'sya eshe mozhno, to zachem Christie-to eto delaet v ego gody?!
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce Видимо, популярности хотят все.
lara777ize 1 month ago
@serenaluce Видимо, популярности хотят все.
lara777ize 1 month ago
@lara777ize Exactly, as you say POPULARITY! And you know what one and only Oscar Wilde, the genius said about it? "To be POPULAR one must be a mediocrity" It's exactly PJ's case! He is an overpromoted MEDIOCRITY who has only some ability to produce sweet pleasing the CROWD sounds, and in its majority people are the same no matter at what age! They don't want any DEPTH of interpretation, just to be ENTERTAINED. This Latin wisdom:"Panem et circenses" (Bread and sights).It's all PJ is made for!
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce You are so diligent and patient.
You Preach us many many times PJ is a POP singer. About 17 times Only here ( duetti) only a week.
Isee.Isee,because I am not a senile old . Or Possibly you fogot what you said?
Even 1000times you say so I don’t feel so.
zeamiblossom1 1 month ago
@zeamiblossom1 Dear, take a sedative if you are so agitated. I was talking to my FRIEND on this video lara777ize. It was an exchange of OPINIONS again. I am not a PREACHER! LOL I wasn't talking to somewhat anomynous "us". I wasn't even talking to YOU! I don't care if you are already senile or not. I don't try to convince anybody to hate PJ. If you like him like POP, enjoy his empty chirping like a bird without any attachment to any opera character! You are against freedom of expression or what?
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce Dear, take a SERENASE because you are so delusive
I often meet a parsons who uses Same ward with opposite meaning .Like Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell (WAR IS PEACE) (FREEDOM IS SLAVERY) (IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH)
Your slogans ( BAROQUE IS POP) (SUPUREMACY IS CLAP)(NOBLENESS IS EDIOCRITY)
zeamiblossom1 1 month ago
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@zeamiblossom1 Dear, LOGIC isn't your forte. Where have I even written: "BAROQUE IS POP"? And "NOBLENESS IS EDIOCRTY"?! Please don't lie. If you can't understand what I mean it's better to be silent and not show more your STUPIDITY which is a SIN. Oscar Wilde said:"There is no sin except stupidity". If you think that I consider ALL baroque pop, why then I don't write here that great Cencic singing baroque is POP?Why do I call Cencic a REAL GREAT COUNTERTENOR with full and round voice and NOT PJ?
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce - good question, especially since you seem to think the thin-voiced and shrill Randall Wong is just fine.
Face it: just because you don't find a certain voice to your taste doesn't mean you're a better judge of voices than Andreas Scholl, William Christie, Max Cencic, Paul O'Dette, Christine Pluhar, and plenty of other professionals who line up to work with Jaroussky.
*waits for screaming fit from troll*
evansquilt 2 weeks ago
@evansquilt Dear,then everybody who dares to have an different opinion is a troll for you.Face it:for all the history of mankind people have argued what music should be. You think that Handel didn't argue with e.g Broschi or Porpora?Tchaikovsky didn't take Wagner's opera reform. You think your raving here that you toured PJ and checked him for mike is a proof? LOL All those artistis you mention and many others will kiss PJ's ass as he is POPULAR and with him they can make easy money.It's not art
serenaluce 2 weeks ago
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@primohomme So what? I've seen MANY singers and even heard them LIVE to tell just a POPULAR entertainer like PJ serving the MARKET and making money on ignorant people from a REAL classicially trained singer! Your vulgarity knows no borders.So, you speculate that arpeggio and me are lesbian lovers.Do you have PROOF?You are trying to say that you saw PJ naked when he couldn't hide any mike because you and him are gay lovers?You can rave about anything you like.I won't lower myself to YOUR level!
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce
If for you what you hear on CD is enough proof of his voice being a studio trick, then you and arpeggio defending each other is enough proof for me that you are dyke lovers licking each other's loose cunts.
Fuck you and your whole family.
primohomme 1 month ago
@skitzo429 Don't lecture me about classical music. You can't even tell when a voice is amplified and when it isn't. There's a distinct difference in sound quality. I'm quite aware of the history of the CT. I've been listening to CT's for a very long time. I'm also a classically trained singer. Are you?
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
@arpeggio1358 Im a classically trained composer specializing in opera. You must troll around and argue with a lot of people, because you cant keep who youre flaming at straight, Ive not mentioned anything about amplification at all on this video, the only points ive made are that 1) PJ is not a "pop singer," as most of the other people with wikipedia music educations who comment here seem to think, and 2) people shouldnt be stating their opinions as fact, especailly when theyre ignorant.
skitzo429 1 month ago
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@skitzo429 So what if you have some kind of education?No education in the world can guarantee talent.In any profession some are good, some are bad.Does it mean that all lawyers, teachers are brilliant only because they have a diploma?I know one classically trained composer,former classically trained baritone whose music is performed by symphony orchestras,etc.He's ignorant about CTs just being brainwashed by PROMOTION that PJ is the standard, and ALL CTs sing like him.But he didn't know OTHERS!
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce Maybe you havent noticed, but I stopped responding to your posts, because you dont knwo what youre talking about and its a waste of my time, so stop respodning to mine, which arent directed at you anyway.
skitzo429 1 month ago
@skitzo429 Maybe you haven't noticed that YT is public domain and not your kitchen where you didn't invite me!LOL You user name discribes you best of all as having some mental problems,and your comments just confirm it.You have a MEGALOMANIA, but you can't even have a normal discussion as you contradict yourself: first claim that you are such a great expert in baroque boasting your comewhat education which you can't PROVE like your buddy primohomme from the gutter and then you "don't like it"...
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce These people have no idea how very well educated you are concerning CTs and baroque music. They just assume you know nothing because you don't like Jaroussky's voice. I wonder how many of them have ever listened to other CTs like Spanos, Scholl, Lemos, Asawa, White, Taylor, Esswood, Oberlin, Bowman, Deller...
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
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@arpeggio1358 Why can't they compare such soprano-like CT voices like Wong, Marian, Maniaci, Taylor, Christofellis, Ryabets, Asawa with PJ and see the difference? Because they don't know them well. Promotion tells them that they SHOULD like PJ,and that he is the best COUNTERTENOR in the world because he sells more albums than other artists in baroque. But fast food restaurants also claim that their food is the best in the world as they are POPULAR and make much money! Does it prove it's GREAT?
serenaluce 1 month ago
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@skitzo429 My mistake. I should have said you can't recognize sloppy off pitch coloratura when you hear it. I never said my opinions were anything other than my opinions. You can't keep the people you're flaming at straight. I was singing opera before you were born, so I know a thing or two about it. My music education did not come from Wikipedia.I think PJ sings in a pop style. That is my opinion, and I'm entitled to it.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
@skitzo429 So we hear voices differently, you and I. That doesn't make you right. You're entitled to your opinion and so am I. I listened to a couple of your compositions and they're actually fairly decent. You're so nasty though, that I would never attend a performance of anythihg you've written.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
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@skitzo429 I'll admit that Jaroussky is very popular. He has a huge marketing machine behind him. Popularity should never be confused with greatness.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
@arpeggio1358 haha thank you for your boycotting of my music. I dont claim to be any expert of PJ's repertory of recording, but theres nothing in this video thats out of tune, and of the few things Ive heard of him dont have glaring intonation problems, no more than a professional singer might make on occassion. Thats good that youre a real musician, what I have a problem with is people like serenaluce and other wikipedia assholes, who say "pop" and compare JP to people on Americas got talent.
skitzo429 1 month ago
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arpeggio1358 1 month ago
@arpeggio1358 I dont really even care anymore, I dont even like early opera. have fun argueing with these fools.
skitzo429 1 month ago
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@skitzo429 I have heard many, many of PJ's recordings.I'm basing my opinion of him on all of them. I've heard a lot of sloppy, off pitch coloratura from him. serenaluce didn't get her musical education from Wikipedia. She's quite well versed on CTs and opera in general. I don't recall her ever comparing PJ to people on AGT...like poor Jackie Evancho whose voice is going to be trashed before she's 20 because of poor technique.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
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@arpeggio1358 Absolutely. Being popular has nothing to do with real greatness as a singer in this case. PJ just is a better businessman than many other artists, but good marketing skills is a DIFFERENT talent! To become POPULAR one has to lower his or her level if it's higher to the AVERAGE level of the crowd to please and AMUSE it.That's all! These vulgar people here can't even discuss with me how different REAL countertenors from this fake PJ! I ask them to give NAMES,why don't they?Can't?
serenaluce 1 month ago
@skitzo429 Actually, you confuse lighter CT voice with a high FLAT pop voice of a FALSETTIST and just use somebody else's words for it. PJ just made a NAME for himself and became a POPULAR item, a trend on the musical market on people's ignorance what baroque is and what is operatic.Let me remind you that men were not castrated to sing only on HIGH notes.They didn't sound like innocent teenagers for the rest of their life, as singing isn't just producing lovely sounds but sharing artist's SOUL!
serenaluce 1 month ago
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@serenaluce Your comment says it perfectly. PJ has no artistry, no soul. The voice is without any emotion or interpretation.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
@arpeggio1358 From the academic point of view absolutely! Opera requires proper technique and sharing the artist's emotions according to the image, character of the musical drama. So, our only point is that PJ isn't a real CT but just an impostor in the CT world. Nothing bad with entertaining people, giving them joy with his sweet singing. But he sings everything in the same pop way with POP coloratura.He just should present it honest and sing in big venues always with a mike and claim it POP!
serenaluce 1 month ago
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@skitzo429 So, only innocent boys could and still sing like little angels, and when they were castrated they still continued to grow though their body took different proportions from a regular male shape. But they still MATURED both physically and mentally. They were NOT innocent, and a mature man isn't supposed to sing pretending that he is still an innocent BOY,like a mature woman isn't supposed to pretend that she is still a girl.But in POP art it's done, like Evancho pretends she is a WOMAN!
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce Thank you for identifying yourself as a youtube troll who makes obnoxious SHOUTING CAPITAL responses at people they dont agree with, now I know to stop wasting my time. I have a music masters degree, don't talk to me like im ignorant, when its clear your music education came from wikipedia and Americas got talent. Lady Gaga is a 'pop singer,' PJ is a classically trained singer who sings baroque literature professionally, regardless of whether or not you like him, end of discussion.
skitzo429 1 month ago 25
@skitzo429 Skitzo identifies you better than any descriptions. Come on, you know nothing about cross-cultural awareness. I'm Russian, and many Russians on YT post comments in ONLY CAPITAL LETTERS without any SHOUTING. I only highlight some words to make my point clearer.Then go e.g. to Denis Korolev's videos and teach the whole nation YT etiquette how they should write in YOUR opinion.Then you should be ashamed of yourself if you've wasted time on your education and can't tell Cencis from POP PJ
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce Youre so invested in attacking people you dont even know what youre argueing about, the very first comment I posted on this video was about how different they were. You're obnoxious.
skitzo429 1 month ago 7
@skitzo429 Thank you for your opinion about ME:-). It's secondary if somewhat serenaluce on YT is good, or obnoxious, nice or attacking people. It's about communication, discussion on YT. But it still doesn't make PJ classically trained CD. He is a trained violinist who found out that he can also superficially play on his vocal cords without any depth and make more money by it.Lighter or heavier voice doesn't describe POP.E.g. Wong, Christohfellis,Taylor,Kotoski,Ryabets are soprano, but not POP!
serenaluce 1 month ago
@skitzo429 - ah, you've serenaluce. S/he trolls every single Jaroussky video claiming he's miked, occasionally with homophobic comments about his "manicured female fingers." I've tried pointing out that Jaroussky being a pop singer would require that the cream of the early music world be in on the fraud, not that it does any good. Even saying that I've seen him live and he was definitely *not* miked hasn't changed her opinion.
Conclusion: she's a troll. Ignore her.
evansquilt 2 weeks ago
@evansquilt I think its a woman, ive been ignoring her for a long time. anyone with a wikipedia music education who wants to throw down with me even after they know I have a masters degree in music and they have no idea what theyre talking about is a fool, and shes a stupid cunt. I can see the sentiment is one others share, since my comments are the highest rated ones on this video.
skitzo429 2 weeks ago
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@skitzo429 Friend,you can think about me whatever you like and bragg your as if somewhat master's degree in music and PJ's fans will just applaud you because you use swearwords as if proof of your musical knowledge and competence.Either women or men have neglected you all your life as you have nothing better to do than to call somebody "a stupid cunt".Actually for intelligent people it's no brainer to figure out that if your user's name is"skitzo"you have big mental problems.I feel sorry for you
serenaluce 2 weeks ago
They both sound different, because every singer fortunately is unique, but they blend wonderfully, they do a magnificent job, (mr Christie has really put them to work!), and I love both voices as well as the extraordinary and rare music, which they have hereby preserved from extinction.
carolineleiden 2 months ago 2
I love Phillipe and Max is quite a good contratenor too...they make a great duetti
alonsomoscoso2910 2 months ago
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@alonsomoscoso2910 If not for this shitty modern tendency that they use POP singers mixed with real opera singers just to attract more people to theatres and concert halls to make more money on people's ignorance to present POP as true classical art, GREAT CENCIC would sing only with other GREAT COUNTERTENORS like Lemos, Scholl, Taylor, White, Spanos, Lesne, and PJ wouldn't even stand with him on the same stage if it's not done just for fun! It's like to sell Callas they put Brightman on CD!
serenaluce 2 months ago
@serenaluce
Jaroussky is a real opera singer and has the career to prove it
Has he ever sung pop/crossover material or sung with a close-distance microphone?
Has he released music videos with special effects? Has he used effects or pitch correction in his studio recordings? No.
Have a seat.
primohomme 1 month ago
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@primohomme Come on,I know your methods.If I dare criticize your precious Bartoli whom you call GODDESS as your only musical argument you call me a "fucking cunt",you "gentleman".Is PJ god too?Madam JaRoWie sent you to fight with "trolls"who are not drugged by her"Prince Charming"'s PURE POPsinging?Don't write this demagogy:promotion can make "real opera singer"of every Brightman, Bocelli or PJ!Career to prove?It's the MANNER in which he sings proves he is POP with sweet special effects trills!
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce
Yes, the way one sings is what distinguishes an opera singer from a pop singer
Pop singers use microphones, opera singers don't
Phillipe Jaroussky sings without artificial amplification in the theater, thus he is an opera singer. And no sorry darling, Sarah Brightman and Andrea Bocelli do not have genuine operatic credits under their belt, Andrea tried and was laughed at, Sarah has only done musical theater.
Have a seat and stay mad, pressed, suicidal.
primohomme 1 month ago
@primohomme Take a sedative first if you can't just exchange opinions on YT and have a megalomania that you are always RIGHT! Please don't commit suicide on the New year's night! Have a seat:it's easier to type!LOL Bocelli has recordings with true opera singers like Carmen, Andrea Chenier, I Pagliacci, and it's written on covers "World's best tenor". His crazy fans will eat you alive for such words.A man pretending that he is a teenager and without middle and low registers is FALSETTIST, not CT!
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce
Oh no darling, I wouldn't commit suicide, first someone like you or from your family would get killed by a drunk driver :)
Jaroussky has a middle and low registers, he sings down to F3 in both his Vivaldi cantatas disc and his Carestini disc, and in the Carestini disc he sings also up to soprano high A, covering over 2 octaves.
primohomme 1 month ago
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@primohomme I love you too darling!LOLBut I am a kind person and don't wish anybody to get killed as a musical argument:-)Oh,come on, PJ's Vivaldi cantatas are just miserable childish bleating only on high notes with his empty sweet trills with cheap POP coloratura.I have great Cencic's Vivaldi cantatas where he sings as MATURE man, not a touching sexless "Innocent" angel! After Cencic, Lesne, REAL CTs PJ is impossible to listen!How come Gruberova has wider range you say she has no MIDDLE NOTES?
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce
Gruberova only has 3 good notes in her throat, and they are above high C
She has no middle or low tones because she can't project those notes
Jaroussky, on ther hand, can do it...
His range in recordings and performances goes from low F to high B
primohomme 1 month ago
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@primohomme PJ's voice is absolutely FLAT! There's no volume there, no variety. Only monotonous singing on ONE note, if Gruberova has only 3 in her throat to YOU! And the others praise her very high, and she has a more glorious career to prove it than somewhat POP falsettist PJ and somewhat YT user primohomme says! And who are YOU? Vivaldi himself? You can give whatever letters you like discribing as if PJ's "wide" range.Can't you compare here TRUE CT Cencic with FULL, ROUND voice with PJ's BS?!
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce
They have different voices, and I prefer Jaroussky's
And who is Gruberova praised by? Only old gays waiting for the high E's and F's galore
Nevermind if they are not on the score, transpose every low -laying passage up an octave or two (as she has done with Anna Bolena, Norma, etc)
primohomme 1 month ago 2
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@primohomme Dear, Gruberova has much more recordings than PJ. I have her arias e.g. on CD Bach famous arias among e.g. Pregardien. I've read an article where a musical critic called her singing "unbelievable". Just 2 examples. But he forgot to mention there his age and sexual orientation! So, I don't know if he is an old gay! LOL Concerning gays, if you think that they understand nothing and are inferior to YOU, how can you praise PJ if he is a young gay? Don't you think that it's irrelevant?
serenaluce 1 month ago
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@primohomme Dear, REAL CTs have deep, well-developed LOW notes, and sing MANLY, MASCULINE with FULL, ROUND VOICE no matter how high. PJ is just a virus in CT world who attracts people to theatres and concert halls with his sweet empty sounds detached from any character of the opera or cantata! PJ is a MANLY lover capable of signing a LOVE aria like Sol da te?LOL PJ is a MANLY ruthless tyrant Tamerlano in A dispetto? PJ is a FURIOUS, WICKED Farnace in Venga pur? Please don't make me LAUGH! LOL
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce
They have different voice types, if you can't understand that then you are simply an idiot
And I've listened to Cencic's attempts of low register in his Rossini recording, not impressed at all.
primohomme 1 month ago
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@primohomme It's exactly my point that you can't have a civilized discussion on YT, and have a megalomania! Everybody who has a different OPINION from your only OPINION, and nothing else, you call names! Prove that YOU are not an IDIOT! Of course, e.g. Cencic, Lesne, Taylor, White, Wong, Christofellis, Marian, Lemos all have different types of voices but what they have in common is that they all belong to CT world and PJ is just POP!Cencic is INCREDIBLE in his Rossini recordings!Happy New year!
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce
Again, when has Jaroussky recorded pop music? When has he recorded with close-proximity mic (in this recording he is same distance from the mic as Cencic)? When has Jarousky used digital effects or pitch correction on his recordings of performances? When has Jaroussky sung with pre-recorded background music or pre-recorded vocals? When has Jaroussky recorded anything not written at least a full 100 years ago?
primohomme 1 month ago
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@primohomme If you are such a big expert in classical music as you pretend to be why are playing innocent as if you were just an ignorant average PJ's fan who doesn't understand any Italian, what opera is about, that singing isn't just producing sweet empty trills to show off PJ's superficial playing on his vocal cords without any attachment to the IMAGE and sharing an artist's SOUL?It's DEMAGOGY,darling.Singing opera stuff in a FLAT voice like POP songs makes him a POP singer.Only Vitas is POP?
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce
That could be argued of every classical vocalist with a light voice...
But that is besides the point, the point is that what distinguished classical operatic vocalists from pop singers is that opera singers sing without artificial amplification, and when they do need microphones such as in recordings...the microphone is at least a couple of feet from the mouth, such as in this video where Jaroussky's microphone is the same distance from him as Cencic's is from him.
primohomme 1 month ago
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@primohomme Actually PJ's voice always sounds artificial and AMPLIFIED! In some videos on YT it's clearly heard that every time he turns from the microphone he almost isn't heard at all. It's absolutely clear that he has a very weak, small voice. He has no proper operatic technique for his voice to soar. In many videos he sings with a microphone.So, what's the problem? Sound technicians nowadays can create any ILLUSION.His mike can be just stronger.There are many dirty tricks just to sell crap!
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce
Yet in this video that shows them recording, the microphone is the same distance from him as Cencic's microphone. Have a seat.
primohomme 1 month ago
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@primohomme Have a seat too.In show business pop singers use all kinds of tricks, e.g. can have hidden microphones to amplify their voices,they even can "rectify" the sound.Well, perhaps PJ was just not in his best voice but e.g. in the video "Happy birthday! Superbo!" on JaRoWie's channel he even can't hit the right notes! If I were her I would have never uploaded that shit which is bad even for PJ! Pop singers can even lip sing while honest ones WORK.Don't pretend that you don't know all this!
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce
Again, you keep talking about microphone tricks and studio tricks
But when has Jaroussky done any of that? When has he sung with close-proximity microphone in his recordings or the stage? When has he introduced effects or pitch correction on his recordings? I want receipts, so you either produce these receipts or shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down.
primohomme 1 month ago 3
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@primohomme I have never seen Jaroussky without a microphone. Even in his live opera videos it can be easily heard that he is amplified. I can tell the difference between amplified and unamplified sound. I also hear a big difference between PJ and really good operatic CTs. To my ear, PJ sings in a dull, flat, pop style with none of the beauty of tone or excellent coloratura technique that distinguishes CTs like Scholl, Spanos, Cencic, Esswood, Asawa, etc.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
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@arpeggio1358 I couldn't agree more with you here! PJ is just a POP singer which means POPULAR! He just has a special talent to please the crowd with his FLAT voice, sweet isolated sounds and find the right people to record him. If he presented it in the honest way as "classics in pop interpretations" and always sang in big venues with an open mike and wasn't infiltrated into opera productions among true opera singers I wouldn't care at all.But if he presents it as TRUE baroque I JUDGE him!
serenaluce 1 month ago
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serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce
No darling, giving your "opinion" without FACTS and PROOF makes you into an idiot, nothing more.
primohomme 1 month ago 17
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@primohomme No darling how about making an idiot of YOURSELF."Jaroussky is a real opera singer and has the career to prove it"You began with this statement.It's only YOUR opinion.Gruberova has a bigger career to prove but you write:" Gruberova only has 3 good notes in her throat, and they are above high C"Then finally agreed that pop singers are heard by the MANNER,not only repertoir. You can't distinguish Cencic's FULL voice from PJ's FLAT POP one. Prove that PJ DOESN'T use stronger mike!
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce
I never said Gruberova wasn't an opera singer
She was great in the high coloratura Austrian roles, thus she is only good in that tessitura...because if one takes as evidence her attempts at the Assoluta roles, she is absolutely dreadful, and the fact you defend her attempts in that repertoire shows just where you stand *rolls eyes*
primohomme 1 month ago 2
@primohomme I said that YOU are not the ABSOLUTE TRUTH,no AUTHORITY only because you've uploaded some videos on your channel as a somewhat anonymous PRIMOHOMME! And who are YOU to claim that Bartoli is a GODDESS or PJ is a REAL CT?! I said that it's only exhchange of OPINIONS on YT, and nothing else! But you have a MEGALOMANIA, and can't stand anybody who doesn't agree with your OPINION! Bartoli began as a very promising singer but degradated only into POP amusing with UGLY sounds,PJ with SWEET!
serenaluce 1 month ago
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@primohomme And who told you that I adore Gruberova?I don't stand with rolling eyes! I didn't give you my OPINION on her singing! You said that a CAREER can prove something! But PJ or Bartoli have careers, and they are POPULAR. But popularity isn't real greatness. It just shows that they can please the CROWD, lower themselves to the level of AVERAGE ignorant people and make MONEY on them!Who are the critics?It's their profession to praise those who are POPULAR and are better made for the MARKET!
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce
Do you think Bartoli would be as successful as she is if she couldn't actually sing the music she is singing? (I refer in the baroquer repertoire, not bel canto)
We are not talking about Christina Aguilera here, who can't even sing well in tune and is praised as if she was a good singer, we are talking about singers who actually sing extremely challenging music, and sing it well and in tune...All else (such as your accusations about using a "special" mic" are delusions!
primohomme 1 month ago 9
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@primohomme Who cares about your Christina Aguilera who sings her own pop stuff, and nobody can confuse her with an opera singer? Compare her with Rihanna,Jenifer Lopez, Lady Gaga.There's a special category of pop singers who perform CLASSICS, operatic stuff in POP MANNER making it POPOPERA but claiming it as OPERA like Brightman,Church, Evancho, Bocelli.Who knows what baroque is if the majority are afraid of it and think it's pornography?They hear PJ and happy!LOL You agree that PJ is popular?
serenaluce 1 month ago
@primohomme Thank you for backing me on this one, serenaluce is ridiculous.
skitzo429 1 month ago 2
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@arpeggio1358 Also,I can add many more names to yours like Lesne,Lemos,Wong, Marian,Chance, Ragin, Esswood,Ryabets, Sabata,Taylor,Kowalski, young and very talented CT Vladimir Catana. They are all different, have different technique and range:some use more falsetto, some have there natural unbroken voices, some are soprano-like,some contralto. We could discuss them,but they are all real Countertenors with FULL voices unlike PJ's pure POP!Here we have GREAT CENCIC to hear all the PROOF!He is CT!
serenaluce 1 month ago
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Where's the microphone in these performances?
/watch?v=KQlRpnQjOUc
/watch?v=GPcZCOWX01A
primohomme 1 month ago 3
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@primohomme Darling,it's funny. PJ in those videos you gave doesn't even use his diaphragm as opera singers do, and it shows.He produces everywhere only weak sweet trills that sound artificial, like an automation slightly modifying his singing according to different tunes "castrating" any aria of its meaning.You couldn't confirm that PJ is really FURIOUS, WICKED Farnace in Venga pur! Prove that in 1st video PJ doesn't use hidden mike e.g.in his WIG and in 2nd in his TURBAN. How about Superbo?
serenaluce 1 month ago
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@primohomme Neither of these links worked. I'm guessing that if the mic wasn't in view that he had a hidden mic. Were these live opera performances? I've watched many, many PJ videos and in all of them, if the mic wasn't in view, it was obvious that he was still somehow amplified...hidden mic maybe?
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
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@primohomme Darling, again,you become overexcited and take things out of proportion. Who are YOU to demand any proof?Police officer?In case you forgot it's only YT where people post COMMENTS,exchange OPINIONS on what they see and HEAR on videos.This is a MUSICAL video,and I have my own EARS to hear all the tricks!If you uploaded some PJ's videos you don't have more authority!You are only anonymous PRIMOHOMME who is just pissed off that someone has a different OPINION!You can't be RIGHTER! Relax!
serenaluce 1 month ago
@primohomme serenaluce never said that Brightman and Bocelli have genuine operatic credits. Do you actually read what people say or do you just comment on what you think you heard? Again, vulgar, nasty remarks are the last refuge for those with no valid arguments.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
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@primohomme He always sings with a close distance microphone. Look at his videos.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
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Yes, the two links were live operatic performances
The amount of your hatred is immense, LMAO, accusing him of wearing secret microphone...what proof do you have of that?
primohomme 1 month ago 8
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@primohomme Dear, what PROOF you have that PJ doesn't use hidden microphone? What is it to do with HATRED? We have EARS to hear that PJ has no proper OPERATIC technique to be called a COUNTERTENOR and sing in opera productions at all! He has an absolutely FLAT voice, sings only on HIGH notes in his POP style. He is just infiltrated into CT world to MAKE money on ignorant people who are just consumers of SWEET sounds! Why then we don't "HATE" the same Cencic and don't say that he isn't a real CT?
serenaluce 1 month ago
@primohomme I don't hate PJ. I simply don't like his voice and the style in which he sings. You sound just like those Jackie fans you rail against, calling people who don't like a singer that you like haters. If someone didn't like my favorite singer (and there have been those who don't like him) I certainly wouldn't beat them up and call them haters. I would have expected more civility from someone of your sophistication.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
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@primohomme I've heard many of PJ's live operatic performances and he sounded amplified in every one. When I hear amplification, what other choice do I have than to think he has a hidden mic?
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
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Do you have actual evidence that he is wearing a microphone?
You do know that microphones are used for EVERYBODY, not just Jaroussky, when they are taping/recording an opera for broadcast, right? and it's usually not on them but on the ceiling or the floor.
And comparing Jaroussky to Jackie Evancho is riduclous, like comparing Renee Fleming to Charlotte Church.
primohomme 1 month ago 16
@primohomme Come on, comparing PJ with the same GREAT REAL countertenor Max Emanuel Cencic is as ridiculous as comparing Fleming with Church. PJ belongs to the same category of POP OPERA singers who perform opera stuff in POP MANNER.It's stupid to compare men with women and children pretending they are mature women like Evancho.But in this category there's subcategory of pop FALSETTISTS like Vitas and Nomi.Mike should be used for EVERYBODY equally,not more tricks for PJ to AMPLIFY only HIS pop!
serenaluce 1 month ago
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And again, when asked for receipts you cannot show a single one
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primohomme 1 month ago 12
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@primohomme Are you in Wal-Mart asking for receipts where you bought PJ's pure POP recordings in the section between toilet paper and chips?These are all POPULAR items. PJ is just the same POPULAR items to please the crowd.You get too agitated.It's only YT where people exchange OPINIONS, not RECEIPTS!LOL Get over it! Show YOUR receipts then that PJ isn't amplified!You claim that you're an expert in opera but your only argument is that PJ has a career and his MIKE is the same distance from Cencic
serenaluce 1 month ago
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@primohomme PJ sounds amplified when the other singers don't. I think comparing PJ to Jackie is more like comparing Paul Potts to Charlotte Church. the man sings in a dull, pop style. Real operatic CTs like Scholl, Esswood, Spanos, Asawa sound much different and much better in comparison.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
@primohomme Actually, I wasn't comparing PJ to JE. I was saying that when you disagree with serenaluce and me, you sound like JE's nasty fans who call anyone who disagrees with them haters, losers, persons with no self-esteem, and worse. There is a difference between that and comparing PJ to JE.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
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@arpeggio1358 Absolutely, but PJ's averange fans just don't understand what we are talking about. They are just brainwashed by promotion that he is the greatest and don't even realize that POP isn't an insult. They are just manipulated by some people to vote not for primohomme's irrelevant comments but for ANY comments against OURS.The majority can't understand any technique.They only say that they like PJ's voice.Can't analize it.He just has a special talent to please the crowd. Is it so bad?
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce They're never going to realize that pop isn't an insult. They've decided that we hate PJ, and won't pay any attention when we say that we just want people to know the difference between opera and pop opera performers. Everything is an insult to them because they hear what they want to hear.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
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@arpeggio1358 Of course, it isn't insult. When I say PJ's primitive singing it's only from the academic point of view as if ANY singer ventures to sing CLASSICAL STUFF, e.g. such demanding stuff as BAROQUE one is not judged by pop standards like Christina Aguilera or JLo "I'm still Jenny from the block" but by higher OPERATIC standards! They can enjoy the voice but it shoud be presented in the RIGHT way. Nothing bad with chips either, but please let them not try to sell it to me as HEALTHY food!
serenaluce 1 month ago
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And you claim he is artificially amplified with absolutely no proof of it other than your schizophrenic delusions. Have you even heard him in person to actually claim with certainty he uses artificial amplification? No? then shove the dildo back in your mouth and shut the fuck up.
primohomme 1 month ago 3
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@primohomme If you can't get real that it's only YOUTUBE where people can exchange only OPINIONS and can't attach material proofs to their comments it's only YOUR problem, not the others. Get REAL at last! You can't prove either that PJ's microphone isn't adusted to amplify it more! All the PROOF is before your own ears in PJ's FLAT WEAK POP voice,and there's still ILLUSION that he sings as loud as Cencic! "Don't use big words.They mean so little."(Oscar Wilde)... Dismissed.Check your own EARS!
serenaluce 1 month ago
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sweety you are free to have your opinion and state your opinion
What you shouldn't do is state your opinion as if it was FACT
And I happen to have heard Jaroussky IN PERSON so I know he wasn't using artificial amplification.
primohomme 1 month ago 12
@primohomme Your rudeness and vulgarity know no end. What horrid things you say to serenaluce...and all because she thinks PJ sings in a pop style. I think he sings in a pop style too, so I assume your admonitions apply to me too. You need to crawl back into the pigsty from whence you came.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
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primohomme 1 month ago
@serenaluce primohomme is just a rude vulgar man. He has pretensions of being educated and cultured, but he is just a crude vulgarian. He will never understand what we're trying to say.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
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@arpeggio1358 I couldn't agree more with you here. Artists are public figures, and they are supposed to be judged by all LISTENERS, and not only by obsessed fans. All OPINIONS are welcome.Listening to a singer and saying that he sings not in a true academic manner to be called a countertenor isn't an insult. But I'm against this shitty tendency nowadays to mix POP singers like PJ with opera singers like great Cencic or Bocelli with Terfel just to attract more people who can't tell the difference
serenaluce 1 month ago
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@serenaluce Exactly. That Pearl Fishers duet with Terfel and Bocelli is a mess because the performace had to be to be amplified so Bocelli could be heard. Poor Terfel sounds distorted because of the amplification (which he doesn't need). I suppose Bocelli's fans were all raving about how great he sounded and thought Terfel sounded terrible, because they couldn't understand that the real opera singer didn't need amplification. Then again maybe they couldn't tell the difference.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
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@arpeggio1358 Also,it's not so bad to POPULARIZE opera when many people who otherwise wouldn't know that e.g. baroque isn't a swearword with naked people, orgies and only pursuit of sensual pleasures, when modern people are so scared that castrati with their MATURE men's singing with HUGE range to express HUMAN emotions made some people swoon...that they can swoon too, hear PJ's FLAT emotionally "castrated" voice...survive it:-) But it's just a DIFFERENT genre - classics in POP INTERPRETATIONS!
serenaluce 1 month ago
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@serenaluce What these people don't realize also is that if PJ were really embraced by the opera world, he would sing a lot more live opera roles than the one or two he does in a given year. He sings mostly concerts because that is the way his many fans who like his pop style can enjoy him.
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
@arpeggio1358 Absolutely! Even 1 or 2 live opera productions where he participates are too much for him as he is just a POP singer to attract people who can't tell the difference that he sings not in the academic manner but in an primitive "easy to swallow" to the theatre...People who vote here for primohomme's comments even don't understand what is all about. It's typical for POP SINGERS fans who are just united against ANYBODY who doesn't rave about their empty pop idol.PJ versus Aguilera? LOL
serenaluce 1 month ago
@serenaluce Aguilera sings better. :-)
arpeggio1358 1 month ago
@arpeggio1358 Aguilera sings better and Jeniffer Lopez sings better:-). PJ even can't hit the right notes in his video on YT "Happy birthday .Superbo!!!!". It's a shame actually. So painful to listen, but as he is just overpromoted people react to BIG NAMES, they are only like in trance chanting "Prince Charming Philippe, the best countertenor in the world" without understanding what it actually means.They would react the same way if they saw Paris Hilton!LOLThey don't understand what POP means!
serenaluce 1 month ago