Dutch Fighters K-1 Supremacy (Thu11thMarch10/day224)

[ThelowkickGaming]

I know Albert Kraus really really goo dman.

[ninjaskills24]

you look like a skinny cunge le...lol i agree thats why i want to move the netherlands

[silverbackpunk2]

Did you ever find out why dutch are so dominant? lol some of my favorite fighters are dutch. Badr Hari is my favorite because he is a heavy weight. But Raymond Dekker is my hero I want to fight like him.

[lolomgwtfftw]

katcha is like why wont it friggin fit ?!

[Niekfollings]

@Chinekeh

Andy Souwer is mixing up wins and losses with Buakaw Pramuk. He won his last fight against him. And your forgetting Masato and the upcomming talent Giorgio Petrosyan (winner last k1 max) and Artur Kyshenko.

But still the most wins in K1 max went to Dutch fighters. 3 dutch wins (Kraus,Souwer 2x), 2 Thai (Pramuk) and 2 Japanese (Masato)

[Chinekeh]

I first want to say sorry for not proof reading what I wrote. I missed spelled some stuff. Andy Souwer has never truly beat Buakaw at least my own personal opinion. K-1 is totally against Thai fighters from Thai hence the extra rounds with Masato in 2002 when clearly Buakaw destroyed Masato. Now Giorgio is the truth but is from Italy and Artur is the Ukraine. I am talking about a clear Dutch win against BP

[Chinekeh]

Wait did you say Bas "El Guapo" Rutten? Dutch do well because of size. They out way Thai fighters. I have yet to see a Dutch fighter beat Buakaw!! If you give me one, I will lose all love for Thai Fighting.

[Ebuverthebicepcurler]

They also have good training places. Mauy Thai is fairly big over there, whereas it's almost invisible in America.

[RenatovanBloemenhuis]

@Chinekeh Yo man. Andy Sauer beat Baukauw and I'm pretty sure Albert Kraus beat him once too. Remember that Drago, Badr Hari and Bonjaski are all dutch too although they fight for other countries, they're from the Netherlands too. Bonjaski, Aerts and Badr are really not heavier and taller than the other K-1 fighters or are you calling Le Banner, Feitosa and Mike Sap small guys :-)

[papichulobumber1]

@Chinekeh

dutch do well because of training and knowhow not because of size, We have a tradition in thaiboxing., i believe some trainers went to thailand in the early 70' years and incorparated wat they learned with their own vision on thaiboxing, creating new combinations that everybody tries to copy right now. We have legends in all sizes/colours/genders. Dekkers, Kaman, hoost, aerts, Bonjasky, Souwer, Kraus, Lucia Rijker, hippolyte, Schilt, Mannaart, Yvel, Simson etc etc etc

Its knowhow

[Chinekeh]

@papichulobumber1 Wait I will give you Dekker. Souwer and Kraus have never ever dominated Buakaw. After each fight Buakaw was physically fine. Souwer and Kraus were physically beaten. Also K1 is not Muay Thai. K1 doesnt allow grapples, knees, elbow. Hell they dont even allow front kicks to the face. Everyone you mentioned look at the size difference. Put a Thai same size I would say 7 out of 10 times Thai will win. This isnt personal.

[papichulobumber1]

@Chinekeh

I think they do allow front kicks to the face. or they changed the rule recently. Its not about them being able to defeat Buakaw. Its about the sheer number of great fighters coming from holland. Look at the Slamm events Hol vs Thai, I think we do quite well against Top thais in Fmt rules. Same weight. In the early years dutch were trained to fight full MT, now its more K1, but still we can give the Thais a run for their money, more then any other country in the world.

[Chinekeh]

@papichulobumber1 They dont allow front kicks to the face after Buakaw front kicked Masato fight 1 in 2004. They took it away in the Max. Thais have it locked down. When people want to learn Muay Tha,i they dont go to Holland they go to Thailand. Second is Holland.

[papichulobumber1]

@Chinekeh

In FMT the thais are ahead obviously, but in K!, i see only one fighter who could really adapt to the K1, thats Buakaw. Put 10 top 10 thais against 10 top 10 dutch fighters in a K1 match. And i assure you it would be something like 3-7 or 4-6. The Thais wouldnt have the advantage. In FMT it would probably be the other way around.

[Chinekeh]

@papichulobumber1 I can agree with that, but think about it Muay Thai you have clinching, elbowes, knees to the head. K-1 no clinching, no front kicks to face, no throws to the ground. They dont even count kicking activity to legs, forearm, or body. Everytime I have watched K1 on cable tv and they go to extra rounds, the Australian announcer says they robbed Buakaw again.

[papichulobumber1]

@Chinekeh

An afterthought, you said you wil give me Dekker, what about Hoost, he beat some Thais in his time to. What about Ivan hippolyte, he fought lumpini champ jomhod and beat him, he fought other thais aswell and did good with Full muay thai rules. I think you are making a weak excuse, size is bullshit, thats why we have weightclasses Thais are lightweight, Buakaw is heavy for a thai, you cant just add 50 kg to thai and expect him to be the same fighter

[Chinekeh]

@papichulobumber1 I can not give you Mr.Prefect because he is a heavy weight. Its not a weight class excuse. Please talk to a boxer or someone that fights. They will tell you size is a huge difference. Size can make up for skill in a lot of cases.I dont know Ivan, but I do know Jomhod. Also if Holland was the best more people would travel to Holland to train, they dont.

[papichulobumber1]

@Chinekeh

I know weight is an advantage, i dont have to talk to a boxer for that. I dont understand your criteria for a great fighter, They have to be 65 kg and thai looks like. About not knowing hippolyte, we are on youtube, do a search. Fighters do travel to holland to train here maybe not as much as Thailand. But thailand is tourism thai boxing now. And, my point really wasnt the Dutch dominate Muay thai, my point was, it isnt about size. You think we live in giant country?

[Chinekeh]

@papichulobumber1 Listen what exactly do you want me to say? If you want me to say Dutch stand up is superior to Muay Thai, well that aint happening because that is a lie. Can a Thai compete in k1 Grand Prix?

[papichulobumber1]

@Chinekeh

I dont want you to say anything. But yes in K1 dutch stand up is superior, and im not comparing just buakaw to dutch fighters like you do, Thats unfair. Im looking at the dozens of dutch fighters who could easily be put in K1 max. And it would only raise the level Thais are stuck in their ways. Most of them cant compete with well trained K1 fighters if you take the clinch and elbows away from them. Just fact, their boxing and boxing defence is not up for the task

[Chinekeh]

@papichulobumber1 dumb point. You take away weapons that naturalize someones fist like clinching and there stuck in their ways? Dumb point.

[papichulobumber1]

@Chinekeh

What i meant by that was, if you take away those defences there is nothing left. thats how thais naturalize boxing skills. In k1 clinching is deemed passive now. So the thais have trouble with good boxers. Its not dumb its a fact, Most of them cant adapt to that style of fighting, thats why i call it 'stuck in their ways'

[papichulobumber1]

@Chinekeh

Name me one thai except buakaw who would do well in against top K1 fighters, As a matter of fact, name me three.

[Chinekeh]

@papichulobumber1 You need to talk to a fighter. It's like me telling you about your countries history without studying or touring or anything. Why are we arguing?

[papichulobumber1]

@Chinekeh

we are arguing becuz you said Dutch domination of K1 is related to size. Its worth noticing the weight difference between Thai and Dutch works the other way around aswell. There are simply not enough fighters in the lower weightclasses to be a strong presence in those weightclasses. But ok, let me agree with you, Thailand is no. 1 in kickboxing, Holland is easily no. 2.

[papichulobumber1]

@Chinekeh

The dutch are good in the fightgame, because of legacy to, just like the thais. We didnt invent anything but we had champions and legends in almost all martial arts. Boxing, judo, Kyokushin karate, Pancrase, K1, Muay thai, Taekwon-do. those champions are trainers now, creating new champions. Thats why i say weight is a bad excuse, because you have to beat guys your own weight to become a champ. It makes a big difference what you train for aswell,

[Chinekeh]

@papichulobumber1 What are you talking about? Everything you just said about "almost all martial arts. Boxing, judo, Kyokushin karate, Pancrase, K1, Muay thai, Taekwon-do." I can say they same thing about the USA. Well except for K1. You have national pride and good for you. Now here we go this is my point Can a Thai compete successfully in K1 Grand Prix? I am talking about Heavy Weights not Max.

[papichulobumber1]

@Chinekeh

no, a thai couldnt compete in K1 heavyweights, but i just think Pure thai fighters have a serious disadvantage when you take the clinch away. They cant box, they have no combinations. Its a completely different game, scoring wise aswell

[Chinekeh]

@papichulobumber1 Do you fight? Do you train? Do you teach? Or do you just watch!

[papichulobumber1]

@Chinekeh

I did some boxing and karate when i was younger, never in competitions though. I but i have bin a fan of fightsports for a very long time. I think I know something about it. Im not bitching on the thai fighters, i like muay thai. I just think the dutch approach works better in K1. I dont care if they let yod in the k1 max, they should. But even he knows he needs to make adjustments, 647 times the same middle kick just doesnt cut it against a fighter who knows how to win K1 matches.

[papichulobumber1]

@Chinekeh

About you could say the same for the USA, i want to point out that holland has a populatian of only 15 million, usa has a twentyfold of that

[papichulobumber1]

@Chinekeh

no dutch fighter in this day trains to become lumpini champ, A thai born fighter, dedicates his life to be champion of a legendary stadium. Bonjasky was 18 years old when he started training, could an 18 year old go to thailand and become K1 champion? That must be proof of the effectiveness of dutch training.

[papichulobumber1]

@Chinekeh

I guess i was right huh? you cant even name one other Thai then Buakaw who would do well in K1 max

[Chinekeh]

@papichulobumber1 Are you kidding me. K1 will not allow Yodenski Fairtex into the K1 Max Tournment. Why are we still arguing? You want me to say you are right. Well I aint going to say it. You really havent provided anything to me, and I havent proven anything to you.

[papichulobumber1]

@Chinekeh

Also the japanese want to make K1 max a global sport with as much different nationalities as possible. There must be a strong argument to let two from the same country in. If Saenchai could make the weight they let him in for sure(if he wanted to) Yod has no added commercial value, they have Buakaw who is more fun to watch anyway.

[Chinekeh]

@papichulobumber1 Listen I dont think the Dutch produce horrible fighters, but Muay Thai is owned by the Thais. 160 and lower. Strength and size become a factor anything above. Thais do not get any bigger than 160ish. I am not saying your guys are bad but common let us be realistic. If someone invents a style that they have been doing for 1000 years you think, someone like Dutch and produce a majority of the best Thai fighters in the world. Then why do people go to Thailand to train?

[ThelowkickGaming]

@Chinekeh I answer you look Peter Smit, Rob Kaman, Ramon Dekkers, Rick v.d. Vathorst.

Take all those guys but i tell you why dutch people are good in Kickboxing.

They look really really good and dont stress out during a fight.

[Chinekeh]

Andy Hug?

[witchman1]

Gay ass auto tune intro

[russhutton]

Matches your gay ass screen name

[RenatovanBloemenhuis]

@witchman1 Auto tune? Auto tune my ass.

[jumbobobcleo1]

thats a nice housing development.

is that condo living? or rental...

[RenatovanBloemenhuis]

@jumbobobcleo1 Rental? Condo? I own it, it's a 400k big ass house. Kitchen alone is 30k. And that's euros!

[EelcoVlogging]

Hey man, an other great video. Yup Still watching ;)

[RenatovanBloemenhuis]

:-)

[RenatovanBloemenhuis]

Thanx man!

[jeanmo60]

NO idea on kick boxing, but congratulation to Katja on starting kindergarten! I remember my daughters first day at school, she cried a little but soon forgot all about me as she started playing with the other kids. Now she's in college! Where the heck does the time go? =D

[RenatovanBloemenhuis]

Yeah, I know. I'm very excited about it!!! I remember when we first put Pelle in kindergarten. Very exciting times! But I forgot his reaction and all the subtle details!!! Now I won't cuz I'll put them on video and share them with you :-)

[MrFlyinpig]

First of all Francis hope you get well soon. Second, are you planning on competing? Third, is the answer Leroy Keastner?

[RenatovanBloemenhuis]

And Francis is feeling way better, thanks for asking!

[MrFlyinpig]

First of all Francis hope you get well soon. Second, are you planning on competing? Third, is the answer Leroy Keastner?

[RenatovanBloemenhuis]

Leroy is a dutch fighter all right. Very talented! I'm not planning on competing, I did compete many years ago, I started training martial arts when I was 9 and got my first black belt when I was 16 (karate).

Now I just train to keep my striking skills honed and to stay focused in full combat mode. When the shit goes down on the street I want to be sure my shit is tight!

[PontiacGA05]

Hey man, was referred here from Picantesworld77, great videos. Also ihave heard only 2 songs from the new gorrilaz i think its pretty good.

[RenatovanBloemenhuis]

Hey man! Welcome to the show!!!!! Yeah, the gorillaz are really cool!

[Tintamar5678]

I used to do Muay Thai when i was younger. Also did Ken Po and Boxing. I'd like to get back in to it just to get in shape.

I used to have a few pairs of boxing gloves, me and my buddys when we were younger would go in my backyard and beat each other up lol. It was always funny when we would just do boxing only, no kicks. A couple of my buddies had more experience in muay thai than me and had such a hard time not using their legs lol I would always get the best of them when playing no kicks lol

[Tintamar5678]

It was more equal using both fists and kicking. Fun days =)

[RenatovanBloemenhuis]

Great story Chad!

We used to do that too, me and my friends are all martial arts fighters, have been for many, many years. That's when we found out that the Judo and wrestling guys would take us down and our striking skills were useless on the ground. That made us start to train jiu-jitsu, way back before the whole MMA/UFC thing started to go mainstream and everyone wanted to learn how to fight on the ground.

Fun days indeed!

[MyFlipNWorld]

the answer is Ernesto Hoost

[RenatovanBloemenhuis]

Right answer my friend!

[itsleander]

Ernesto Hoost (?)

[RenatovanBloemenhuis]

Jazekers maar je bent te laat voor punten helaas :-(

[Therrato]

jup Ernesto

[RenatovanBloemenhuis]

Yup. My nephew is called Ernesto also, he is a famous hardcore dj.

[TheBlackberryBandit]

Ernesto Hoost aka "mr perfect"

[RenatovanBloemenhuis]

@TheBlackberryBandit Perfect answer my brother!!! The last point is for you!

[orvie8]

Ernesto Hoost!

[RenatovanBloemenhuis]

@orvie8 Yep! 2 points for you!

[TheBloker9]

uhhhm ernesto hoost en badr hari maar ik weet niet zkkr want hij is een marrokaaan

[RenatovanBloemenhuis]

@TheBloker9 They're both all right. Badr is dutch but in K-1 he has to represent Morocco cuz the japanese are tired of all the dutch fighters in the finals and want to give the tournament an international flavour. This is true. Did you also know that they don't like fighters with full arm sleeve tattoos and will try to do anything to keep them out of the tournament? Full sleeves represent crime and evil in japan, the yakuza, japanese maffia wear them too. 3 points for you!

[dbaum23]

Ernesto Hoost

[RenatovanBloemenhuis]

@dbaum23 One of the great masters. Retired from active competition right now but training his fighters who are also winning prizes everywhere.

4 points for you!

[anaaldigitaal]

Sem schilt soorie eersteantwoord was fout!

[RenatovanBloemenhuis]

@anaaldigitaal Semmy Schilt is def a good answer. Won K-1 several times. A friend of mine who is a black belt in Ashihara (full contact) karate knows him cuz Sem is a Ashihara karate master.

5 points for you guys!

[anaaldigitaal]

Bijnaam"The dutchman"

leuke vid trouwens weer Renato!