Air Crash Investigation/Mayday Season 11 Episode 01 - Deadly Reputation - Pt 5/5

[pridefalcon]

35L..35L..

[nocluewhere]

Sao Paul need to do what Hong Kong did, simple as that!!!

Hong Kong had the same problem

[christosswc]

What is not adequately explained in the video is why the old procedure was considered by the pilots to be more effective at reducing landing distance.

Whether you pull both the levers to idle and then continue with either one or both of them what's the difference in engine performance?

Only explanation I can think of is that the pilot would be able to engage full reverse throttle faster by pulling on only one lever rather than two but then again is this an exercise in strength?

[bravobravo74]

The people that express disbelief at experienced pilots making such a basic mistake have obviously never studied human factors. As a pilot there is an optimal level of stress at which your performance is also optimal - anything above or below this will cause your performance to deteriorate. Experience is valuable in that it reduces the likelihood of a situation being stressful for an individual however if they do become overly stressed then their performance is liable to falter regardless.

[CPRailRTC]

The echo is funny... "I've got concentrate....concentrate....­concentrate....I've got concentrate....concentrate....­concentrate.... Hello....... echo...... Now batting....."

[Neno8403]

This accident still doesn't make any sense. Why would ANY aircraft have their engines running at full-power during final approach and landing??? I guess TO/GA never occurred to a group of "experienced" pilots. Grant it, we'll never know how the brain processes logic when put in a serious situation like that, but I don't understand how the pilots continued to try and stop an already compromised aircraft with one reverser operating, on a short runway... instead of executing a go-around.

[betasso1000]

I refuse to believe that two highly experience "Captains" flying together would make such basic mistake, that even private pilots would know how to avoid!! That investigation isn't right!! something is really fishy about it...

[davidrubiomartin]

@betasso1000 Like what exactly? ..They choked, could happen to anybody

[betasso1000]

@davidrubiomartin I understand what you're saying, but imagine yourself falling from a tall building... wouldn't you be desperate seeing death in front of you, but at the same time, wouldn't you try to grab on to something? anything at all? On landings pilots are trained to keep their hands on the throttles @night or day... see what I'm saying?

[mako88sb]

@betasso1000 It doesn't matter how experienced the crew is. The plain simple fact is they are still human and mistakes are always a possibility. Check out the "Panic over the Pacific" episode. No stressful landing situation there. A simple engine out situation and the pilot forgetting to apply left rudder & other crew mistakes led to that crazy situation. If they hadn't come out of cloud cover when they did, they most likely would of crashed and i doubt they would of been able to figure out why.

[betasso1000]

@mako88sb All I want to tell you is: Don't believe everything you hear or see on tv...

[MrsGxoxo]

txs for the new series uploads-sub!

[3838jr]

4:28 for crash

[PhilipDK5800]

Why was the thrustlever in TO mode during landing?!

[KangaKucha]

Its not so much the runways fault as it is the pilots that land on it.

I don't see them shutting it down in rainy or wet weather anytime soon, it's the safest thing but can the airport make a profit like that? In the end it all comes down to money, for better or worse.

I'm a social democrat, but it seems to me this runway is ok with better training of the pilots until it can one day be replaced.

[sym667]

There is one thing I don't get: why was the right thrust lever set to full power just before touchdown? I understand adjustement in power can be made during final, but is it a likely scenario that the flying pilot needed all power just before landing?

[mangobanan]

@sym667 I had trouble understanding that as well, but the Wikipedia article on the crash gives a good explanation of why that was the case. I found it strange that the episode made no attempt to explain why a throttle lever was in takeoff position during a difficult landing like this.

[7byseven]

First time ive heard an American pronounce "lever" the British way, well done lol

[theWall0719]

@7byseven: I believe the narrator was a Canadian.

[mejus16]

we all human being... we make mistakesss

[brille2363]

@mejus16 True and unfortunately a mistake claimed the lives of many. Its disturbing how well experienced pilots still make simple mistakes that often lead to disaster. just terrible

[magellanmax]

Strange that even though the pilot realized that the plane was speeding up he didn't check the lever position.

[7byseven]

@magellanmax Maybe he thought it was a combination of aquaplaning and a strong side wind.

[bluelabelogy]

Thank you so much for uplaoding these. I totally cannot watch em on their website :s

[Ichristian96]

What confuses me about this, is why would they let a plane with 1 reverser fly? Especially under rainy circumstances. If I was a pilot, I wouldn't have flown the plane.

[xXdenee]

@Ichristian96 its true, i wouldn't fly the plane with one reverser, but to big companies, as long as a plane like that can land, rain or shine, money's coming in. Its sad

[Neno8403]

@Ichristian96 Planes don't need all reversers to operate. In fact, planes MUST be able to stop under full-breaking ONLY situations, to comply with air safety standards. The A380 — for example — isn't equipped with reversers on all four of its engines. Only the two inboard engines of the A380 are equipped with reversers. The A380 has powerful brakes that can slow the aircraft without needing reversers on all four engines.

[Naylte]

Considering that they can't get the runway's reputation out of pilot's heads, maybe they should build a new airport on Sao Paulo's outskirts and make the original a small aircraft only airport.

[xXdenee]

@Naylte its a good idea, and its one many would suggest, but you gotta remember Brazil is one crowded country, with a lot of geological landmarks

[DatMexicano57]

@Naylte Great Idea!

[KangaKucha]

@Naylte Hopefully in time they will when they have the money to spend, assuming that it doesn't end up into the pockets of corrupt officials.

and that's not on Brazil alone, many places are like that, too many...

[rafazwii]

@Naylte welcome to guarulhos international airport or viracopos airport.

[gastarbieter]

Does someone know why the "old" procedure would have stopped the aircraft more quickly?

[oilersman95]

Troubled AirManship. Get it?

[whoohaaXL]

His hand is RIGHT NEAR the other thrust lever when he takes engine to reverse. He didn't feel the other half of the set of levers at full? Ridiculous. Even when you don't notice a decrease in performance and the computer is yelling "retard", you wouldn't think to look at the throttles? I can't believe pilots make these stupid mistakes....We also have pilots who can't even recover from a basic stall, flying our planes. Flying? Thanks, but no thanks. This is really a remedial crew.

[gldwonder]

The problem remains... Congonhas Airport is an island in the buildings ocean. A new airport must be made in São Paulo, urgently.

[emelianenkoo]

It is unbelievable some of the idiotic mistakes that pilots make. Not idling an engine on landing, seriously WTF???? Also when the landing is not happening, err hello, TOGA!

[Aeromexico682]

@pete5668 or at least have a sticker that glows or something

[acenace24]

Its tough when a machine is yelling RETARD at you, damn plane needs some manners

[737boeing8]

@acenace24

lol

[lucascristofolini]

Thank You :)

[chibikawaiichris]

Should've never happened...

[Iamfukenripped]

Utterly stupid accident ... i cant believe it.... hoow can you forget to idle the throttlels... thats what you do way before engaging reverse thrust anyway.... the conclusion sucks... I thought that he positioned both throttles to reverse, that would have sent the right engine spooling up but without the revers thrust door open... I dont know, its just a really ill mistake that cos the lives of hundreds ...shame really.

[platinumsalamander]

why there isn't a warning for when the thrust is at full power on the runway? i'm sure the plane's computer is aware that the plane has landed.

[oisilener1982]

@platinumsalamander Stupid AirBus :) You are right. There must be some safety features like warning pilots about the engine

[GregMHouse]

the conclusion is speculative. It's just as plausible that he knew how bad the runway was and left it at full power in case he had to abort landing if the first attempt didn't take. In which case he'd have to take off again, in a short distance. He probably forgot he left it there during the intense events that followed.

[TheBaconisbetter]

Lt. Diaz is HOT!!!!

[Darthbelal]

It IS the pilot's fault, but I can't blame him for the actions he made. He was in a tough spot and did the best he could. THE problem was that there was no room for error on that runway, so when the pilot made one.........

[pete5668]

they should make the handles on the thrust levers glow in the dark.

[ss04to06]

Nice job posting this but why were Parts 3 and 4 deleted? Will you reupload them?

[JDD6214]

@ss04to06

reuploaded with fixed sound

[RealUFOs2009]

TAM .has a troubled history

[bucinaus]

thanks for posting. But maybe fix the sound on parts 3 & 4 at some point.