Little Albert (Watson & Rayner) was never desensitised he actually continued to live with the phobia until his early death. He was however a study of operant conditioning, part of the learning theory for the initiation of a phobia rather than a treatment like systematic desensitisation and was intended to show phobias were not enate extream fight or flight reactions caused by biological triggers eg. genetics or evolution. Other than that your video is great! (revising for psychology sorry!)
Nice one :-) Thanks for posting as a video response. You are right about blasphemy fear. It took me years to be able to say anything too anti-jesus out load after ditching my faith.
Or you can let people belive what they not and not disrespect them and call them stupid im atheist and im intelligent my father is catholic and he is an intelligent some people just perfer one thing over the other your just being an eliteist and that gets us as humanity nowhere.
@Unimaginetiveuser Its because they vote with their religious beliefs, they try to teach non-sense in schools that stunt us scientifically and they cut funding for science at every turn. They infringe on our rights. I actually made a video though discussing Religious Liberals, and how they are much different from conservatives and are for all intensive purposes secular humanists like us. I named the series as I did because people can be intelligent and wrong in other areas.
@Unimaginetiveuser Can you let someone who believes god told them to murder someone believe in that myth? Actions result from believe, as Unimaginetiveuser has just pointed out - politics, etc. No one has a sole right to their belief. We evaluate beliefs in society all the time. Religion just thinks it gets special privileges.
the further along science gets the more and more sense christianity makes to some intellegent people. of course the bible was written a very long time in very colourful language (in at least four languages at that) so some carful interpretaion is needed to find this sense. no atheist is patient enough to do this. mental laziness is more responsible for atheism than anything else.
@cwross1976 Please let me know what you are talking about, with as much study of the bible I've done, it seems more like people are finding patterns where they don't actually exist. We are pattern seeking individuals and superstition if complicated enough can appear intellectual. Believe me there is no laziness on my end. The more science I know and fields I study the more and more the bible sounds like a brutal book of mythology like every other mythological book of its time.
@stallion4life Funny the very definition of high school geek is one who is very smart with little social skills, which I was in high school. You don't see me in this video because its not the format I chose for this series but you can easily see me in other videos on my channel.
'' Why do Intelligent People Still Believe in Religion? '' Because even among intelligent people you will find those who are mentally weak. Intelligent does not equal self-confident.
@jankendorf well we don't eat babies yet... we just really want to use their stem cells to fix michael j fox... what would call taking into ones body the undeveloped tissue of another human being so as to heal one's self?
@LazarusCato String theory neither proves nor disproves god. For that matter string theory does not yet have enough evidence to be considered fact or true. Why we have the large hadron collider. I think like many people, you probably have a confused of string theory, with just enough understanding to be dangerous. My latest video actually discusses people's ignorance of quantum physics being used by spiritualists to basically sound mysticy, get followers and sell books
Excellent video. As sad as it is,most of those reasons were the reasons why I was a Christian for so long. Critical/Rational/Logical(unless when used via mathematics) thinking was a super NO NO, embedded in me by my environment. Its really sad. But everything is great now. Atheism!
God is constantly portrayed as a common , petty little pissant that is blindly unaware of the universe that he/it occupies. Religion could at least accept a complete rewrite to make god seem a little more intelligent , no ? My five year old has a better grasp of electricity than god and people want to worship the idea of that ? Shame on you dummies !!!!
@anubis2814 More specifically religion appeases mild to severe psychosis in its adherents. If you truly think there’s an evil presence trying to trick you into doing bad things you need a psychiatrist not a priest to tell you you’re right.
I remember being a kid...somewhere between 10 and 12 years old and just not able to get my mind to fully accept the notion (I thought I just couldnt understand) that an all powerful god created a nearly all powerful evil that would eventually end up with a battle that would end time...but its ok...cause god will win. Who goes to see a fight that is supposed to be the EPIC BOXING MATCH OF THE CENTURY with ... 1,000,000 to 1 odds...unless you go just for the beat down?
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So how do people that don't believe in God get over the fact that they're of going to hell?Oh.......wait nevermind.They just don't allow theirself to believe in Heaven or Hell so that dying isn't so scary.I learned something new today.......thanks for that I guess..Oh and by the way.I don't care that you're an athiest but maybe you should stop trying to push your views over on other people.....yeah do that!!!Thanks!!!
@bigjess71 I'm not pushing my views on anyone, I'm just stating my views and you can either watch or not. Its that easy. Thanks to the wonderful freedom of speech I have the right to state my views just like anyone else.
@anubis2814 a point of view which is acceptable as long as you don't put it in a public forum or else it is subject to scrutiny. As you have have put it there, surely you must accept that you are trying to influence others opinions otherwise why on earth would you make it public? It's a cop out to say you have no agenda, because if you really didn't have one, you would be happy to let others live and let live and would not have posted this video.
@scorchio1976 “It’s a cop out to say you have no agenda”
Anubis only said he isn’t pushing his views on anyone. He is trying to offer help and advice, so that is an agenda of sorts. But to push your views on others one needs to follow the religious example: rally followers to condemn the right to discourse for opposing beliefs. Kinda what you are doing here: rather than engaging in the discourse, suggesting people shouldn’t post videos contrary to your beliefs.
@Blackmark52 Perhaps if you reply to the comment in it's entirety as opposed to one line, you would see that a positive discourse could emerge - So I'll repeat it again - You put a video on a public forum where it is accessible for anyone to see you are going to influence how others see your points of view. At no point did I say he shouldn't do it, at no point did I say I disagree with his points. It is however a cop out to say it is not there to influence others when clearly it is.
@scorchio1976 If I quoted your entire post I wouldn't have room left to respond. Besides what about what you said wasn't addressed? But in case my first sentence wasn't clear enough, allow me to rephrase it: Anubis didn't claim not to have an agenda, neither did he say he had no intention of influencing his viewers. But besides putting words in his mouth you are also conflating issues: having an agenda and presenting a point of view that one hopes will influence others is not the same thing.
@Blackmark52 I also find it amusing that you seem to automatically assume I'm of a religious persuasion when I actually offered no critique of the video with regard to my personal beliefs.It seems ironic to critique my comments by saying I have an agenda, when you appear to already have decided what my background is with no facts. I merely commented on the actual action of the video being published on a public forum and that people should accept the responsability that comes with that.
@bigjess71 If you don't believe in Killben the magical unicorn god, you will spend eternity in determina, a place so horrible it makes hell seem like a joke. Imagine the pain of 1000 cheese graters on every part of your body slowly moving back and fourth and your skin instantly regrows on every stroke while acid is pumped into your veins, times that pain by infinty. Wait nevermind... your just not gonna allow yourself to believe in that so when you die it dosen't seem so scary.
@bigjess71 Yeah and telling a 3 year old that Mommy and Daddy are going to heaven and that they are going to burn alone in hell forever unless they believe in god is not pushing your views on anyone. Please at least try to hide your stupidity next time.
@bigjess71 You still believe in heaven and hell , you should really grow up. Have a nice day though and try to get your mom and dad let you plat outside it will clear your head up :)
@ReasonableAssumption You're still having issues with your mother and father huh?Oh man I'm sorry but that doesn't give you an excuse to be a prick that believes in nothing at all.I know it's tough that you never got to play outside because mommy and daddy wouldn't let you but don't try to accuse my parents of doing that ok?My parents love me........that's something you know nothing about.Which is why you don't have any will or the balls to believe in anything.Have a nice day shithead.
@bigjess71 I'll let your own comments speak for themselves . You don't even realize that the bible was written by sheep herders for the masses. I know nothing will get through that ignorance. God supposedly carved his words into two slabs of stone and suddenly he needs people to write on paper, he creates everything except he needs a vagina for his own son. He needs to flood the world with water to start over again , what? Three days was too long the first time so he needs to waste forty ? :)
@ReasonableAssumption Ok.........And???The Bible has been around alot longer than both you and I have so what makes you think it's all nonsense?You don't know........unless you're millions of years old.I'm fucking doubting that very much so you're not proving anything you're just telling me that the things written in the Bible is a bunch of nonsense.So you might as well me talking to a fucking wall about it because I couldn't give a shit about your opinion on the subject.
@bigjess71 It says that the planet is only 6000 years old , remember . Reading the bible that made me disbelieve it . I figured that the story about the boat would convnce most people that a deity had nothing to do with the bible. Death is only the absense of life it is not some grandiose phase of life like the bible says it is. Before you were born you never were and after your death you never will be again , to come to any other conclusion that is not bred out of fear of the unknown is wrong.
@ReasonableAssumption You don't think it's possible to ride in a big ass boat with a shit load of animals loaded onto it???..............hahahahha Ok.........whatever.
@bigjess71 sorry I thought you were being serious , this shows you are just a troll because only an idiot would believe that Noah and his family could clean up the feces produced by approximately 600,000 tons of mammals let alone feed them. thank you for wasting my time , go to bed you dumb little asshat .
@ReasonableAssumption lol Why???All they had to do is scoop the animal shit up and throw it overboard.How do you think black people got to America even though they all started out in one country?They were brought to America.....on boats!!!!And they didn't even bring every single African over to America but still there are black people all over the fucking world.How on Earth could that possibly happen???I suppose now you're going to tell me you don't believe slavery happened either.lol
@bigjess71 Whatever troll a boat floating above the highest mountaintop where oxygen levels require tanks and a mask and the temperature is low enough to extinguish any life on the boat in a matter of hours is suddenly equivalent to the slave trade and your ridiculous assertion that all blacks came from one country. I know you are trolling because you can't be this stupid and remember how to feed yourself. Your replying is helping me showcase the futility in supporting any version of religion .
@ReasonableAssumption Who said anything about the boat floating over mountain tops?How do you know that the highest mountain tops we know about today were that high when Noah was on Earth?Do you know any of this shit?No you don't.And the black people that were slaves in America were from Africa.They didn't even need thousands of years to fuck and make babies either and take a look at how quickly they multiplied.So "the boat story" could have happened whether you admit it or not.
@bigjess71 On the contrary, the "boat story" you are taking from the bible I assume? If so, going to basic understanding of pure geometric dimensions, the possibility that the boat built by noah was rather inadequate to house even a small percentage of two of each kind of animal, secondly gathering all these animals in the first place sigh... but i guess anything is possible with god. Secondly while most black slaves were from Africa that was not the only place they came from.
@zpgJiggleBilly You how big Noahs boat was???I wasn't aware that you were there helping him build the fucking boat.Animals eat,sleep,shit,and fuck and that's all they do.That means they can make alot of babies in just a matter of a few years.You don't know shit about animals do you?I don't think you understand a whole lot about anything to be totally honest.So I think you should do us both a favor and shut up already.Trying to explain things to you is like trying to teach a monkey how to read.
@zpgJiggleBilly ya the little boat big zoo sort of ruins this little story , lol. Noah is suddenly a zoologist with enough experience to feed and care for every known creature on the planet on a little wooden boat with non-existant ventilation and lighting. Don't forget according to the bible bats are birds and one dinky planet took 3 days and all the rest took 1. Every single passage exposes to sheer ignorance of the authors that is impossible to show as devinely inspired.
@ReasonableAssumption Ok you know what?Believe what you want to believe.I don't give a fuck.......you know what I can't believe?I can't believe your father fucked your mother without a condom 9 months before you crawled out of her ass.I don't believe in you.....I refuse to believe you exist you're a pathetic little asshole and I don't like you.
@ReasonableAssumption It's not my fault you're father is Fred Phelps........I don't agree with the things he does either.Just shut the fuck up though because I dont' want to hear about it.Thanks though I wish I did but I don't so yeah......fuck off.
@bigjess71 If you can prove the existence of Heaven or Hell then please do so, because not only would you win a nobel prize you would also convert many people to Christianity.
If you cannot prove the existence of either (by prove I mean provide scientific tangible evidence), then keep your imaginary places and fear mongering to yourself. Many people have lived their entire lives in fear because of religions who proclaim the existence of these superstitious places. You should be ashamed.
@IHighLikePlane Uhhhhhh..........Ever heard of the Bible???Theres evidence about that kind of thing in that book.You should read it sometime maybe you'll learn about that kind of shit instead of insulting other people that believe in the things that the Bible says is true.That would make alot of sense.
I'm sure you're too busy reading the Book of Evolution or studying the Big Bang Theory which is total bullshit by the way.Just so you know.
@bigjess71 First of all the Bible doesn't prove anything. I can write that a unicorn's period gave birth to the universe, put it in a book, say its the word of God, and create a religion about it. That doesn't make it true. So unless you have some REAL TANGIBLE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE, stop scaring children with your imaginary torture demension.
Second of all, I never insulted you, the fact that you think I did alarms me.
@IHighLikePlane You could write whatever you want and nobody in their right mind would ever give a fuck about it.So no that's not anywhere close to being true.I don't know anyone that would believe anything about a unicorn.........what is it with you and unicorns anyway?What the fuck.........you know what?I think you smoke alot of fucking weed so I'm not even talking to you anymore.You dont' know what the fuck you're talking about.
@bigjess71 there is no one book of evolution, EVERY field from Anthropology to genetics to biology confirms and reconfirms evolution. None of life sciences would make any sense without it. It would just be a bunch of random things happening that we would just be recording.
9/10 on the failure scale. Please try again, and next time be sure to contain an argument that is centered around evidence not based on theological emotions.
@bigjess71 Pushing your views onto other people means, approaching them in the street, knocking on front doors. frightening them with hell. Getting tax exemptions so you can leverage your garbage over truth. In the western world we have fought off the church, to the extent that we can at least speak out without being burnt at the stake. I guess you pine and dream for the old world order to return.
@bigjess71 "maybe you should stop trying to push your views over on other people"
Didn't you voluntarily come and watch this video? He's not standing on a street corner or picketing a soldier's funeral. He posted a video, which people can watch if they choose. YOU *chose* to come here, no one forced you. Maybe you should stop making totally invalid comments.....yeah do that!!!Thanks!!!
guess we'll have to wait until we die to see who gets the last laugh eh :D I think its funny when people claim they have it figured out because really they have no clue nobody does.
You constantly refer to "religion" in general, so I am curious what particular aspects of Taoism do you believe are invalid? Which aspects do you believe are demonstrably wrong?
@anubis2814 You do not believe in anything beyond the ability of science to explain it (read: the supernatural)? So, you believe that the concept of the Tao is "bogus"? Is this only belief, or do you have evidence to support it?
Taoism is a belief of something beyond or higher than ourselves and is more than just a "philosophy". So, which aspects do you believe are demonstrably wrong?
@jimmo42 The concept of the Tao from my reading is the idea of everything aka the universe that is too complex and gigantic to be explainable. Supernatural is not how I read it. Of course I might be reading it with a scientific bias but even so the way I read it, it is a pretty good partial philosophy
@anubis2814 "Supernatural is not how I read it" OK, understood. Many people interpret it as supernatural because it is "beyond human understanding". However, your assesment fits with my understanding. The first line of the Tao Te Ching says "The Tao which can be named is not the real Tao." The more you try to describe it, the further away you get. I would suggest Ron Hogan's translation. It is in vernacular English and I think misses a few subleties, but I think it is a good introduction.
@anubis2814 I completely agree. Yet, would just add that in Buddhisms case especially, it is obvious how an original philosophy based on compassion was later twisted by political machinations of ruling classes etc. (as, this is probably somewhat true of all religions). And, how because of it's more altruistic/compassionate base proved more difficult than other philosophies to bend to a martial or dictatorial mind set. I believe some will always misunderstand metaphor, and create religion,agree?
@jimmo42@anubis2814 Taoism and Buddhism in general get a good rap from atheists. In a sense it may be deserve, but really...
Both feature a pantheon of gods that behave as badly as YHWH or Allah and laws/truths that contradict other laws and truths they hold to be simultaneously accurate. Any flaw of Abrahamic faith you can name has its counterpart in the other faiths. Both religions even have the knock on effects of the repression and control of a people. Ask china and Tibet.
Sorry? Taoism and Buddhism have "a pantheon of gods"? when did that happen ?
Both are about "the self" and improving yourself, without any reference to anything thiestic, there is NOTHING in either about gods!
Buddha was a man, plain and simple, but he gained understanding about himself and the world around him, nothing to do with a deity, nothing to do with any kind of god.
I suggest you actually do a little research, because Taoism is Japanese, Buddhism is Indian.
@THEMrFill Sorry my bad for trying to answer a collective question without two separate responses. Taoism - pantheon of gods. Buddhism - pantheon of god-like ascended humans.
Oh wait nothing in either? Oh, sorry which relligion does the Jadde emperor hail from then?
Taoism came from Japan? WTF? I thought it was Tang dynasty china myself, oh hey and so does stanford university press (ISBN 0-8047-2839-9)
Not sure what the country of origin has to do with this though.
oops, I mis-spoke - Taoism does have gods, but Buddhism definitely doesn't!
How do I know this? BECAUSE I'M A BUDDHIST!
Oh, and a lot of Buddhists I know don't consider it a religion, because it is non-thiestic, it has no deity, it's just a belief system - it's like saying that following a political party is a religion, because it has it's own belief system, neither has something you worship, but you believe in their "teachings" so they MUST be religions, right? RIGHT?
Non-theistic, belief system, no deity. Sadly for your sophistry a deity is not required for a religion as by common definition religion is simply a cultural system with established symbols relating humanity to belief and morality.
I do love the way you have avoided confronting my assertion the Buddhism has done the same damage as a religion in places where the chinese empire coopted it to control subject populations though.
@notnegotiation "Both feature a pantheon of gods that behave as badly as"
You're like a fundie arguing evolution. You spout out something without ever having looked at it (or pehaps simply googled one page). There are no Gods in buddisms and they deities in Taoism were integrated from other beliefs centuries after Lao Tzu, which was thousands of years after the original text. It's like saying Christianity is flawed because of mega-churches and tele-evangelists.
"Any flaw of Abrahamic faith you can name has its counterpart in the other faiths.
For example?
"Both religions even have the knock on effects of the repression and control."
Once again you argue like a fundie. Neither buddhism nor taoism have anything to do with the "repression and control" These religion are simple present in those countries. It's like saying tea has "knock on effects of the repression and control of a people". You are obviously ignorant of the facts.
@jimmo42 Really? you are going to try and argue that Buddhism hasnt been one of the primary tools china has used to control the tibetan people since the 14th century? Perhaps you should do the research and make sure i'm not claiming things without my own research before you fling accusations.
For flaws common to all relions, lets go with religiously motivated terorism. How about the sarin gas attack on the tokyo subway made by the Aum Buddhist sect.
For flaws common to all relions, lets go with religiously motivated terorism. How about the sarin gas attack on the tokyo subway made by the Aum Buddhist sect. An attack with 6,286 dead. More than double the death toll of 'the most horrifying terror attack on american soil ever' in which only 3021 people died.
Please stop crying for me to do my research before you ahve done your own. you might notice that i actually do have examples to draw on before you make a fool of yourself then
@notnegotiation While your point is valid about certain people corrupting religion for their own goals, that does not imply the basic tennets of the religion are wrong.
"An attack with 6,286 dead." Every source that I just found and my own memory say that the death toll was a couple of dozen. The 6,286 or whatever number you want to use is the *injured*, not dead. What was that about "before you make a fool of yourself"?
@jimmo42 Agreed, the problem is solidly dogma. The Japanese empire used Buddhism and Shintoism to rouse nationalism for WWII. If one can use their followers by invoking the US vs them mindset you can get them to do anything. Nothing in Buddhism discussing war, it pacifistic. However the bible and the Qu'ron make it much easier to use people for violence because these books are pretty pro-war.
@anubis2814 Very well said! To me that is one of the key issues. There is the statement that the characteristics of some religions are "bad" or some religions allow for "bad" things. People then conclude "all religions are bad". Religion has been abused for bad things, therefore religion is bad. For me it's like saying alcohol leads to drinking and driving which causes death and injury therefore we need to make alcohol illegal.
@notnegotiation Also, from what I was able to find the Aum Shinrikyo were considered a "new religious movement" because their beliefs were not part of any commonly accepted religion, but rather a mixture of several different ones. I have never seen anything calling them a "Buddhist sect" and has been official rejected by Buddhist leaders in Japan. Blaming their action on Buddism is just as fallacious as blaming the actions of Jim Jones or David Koresh on Christianity.
@jimmo42 Sorry to call you disingenuous now. But the aum sect's beliefs were constructed primarily from yoga and buddhism at the time of the attacks and the sect self identified as a buddhist group. Making your agrument that other buddhists disown them hold as much water as me claiming osama was not a muslim because my local imam disagrees with the 9-11 bombings.
You are sounding more and more like a person of any other religion who just wants to believe their faith can do no wrong.
@notnegotiation Considering you cannot even get basic facts right like 6,286 dead not being that same as 6,286 injured, your credibility is questionable. Added to the fact, I have never made the claim I was a buddhist, that demonstrates you are not paying attention. Further, your anology with bin laden makes me wonder if you are not really a troll. We are talking about the tenets of the religion and not acts carried out by alleged adherants to said religion. Why is that so hard to understand?
@notnegotiation My assumption is that if you were trully familiar with the Aum Shinrikyo and the sarin gas attack rather than simply goolging a few quick references, you would not have made such a grevious mistake with the number of deaths. Since you ephamized that number with "More than double the death toll of...", it is extremely unlikely that it was simply a typo. If you make mistakes at that level with something so simple, why should we trust your dilligence with more complex issues?
@jimmo42 My appologies for that, i was confusing you with THEMrFill who did self identify as a buddhist.
I will also admit to trolling. I am currently on injury leave and quite bored. Also - the religion debate holds no actual interest for me. It is simply a non-issue in my country. So much so that i was 15 years old and had left home before i found out that religion was something people took seriously rather than a pointless social ritual to be seen paying lip service to
@notnegotiation Considering the effect religion has had on world history and continues to have on current events, understanding it is key aspect of understanding the modern world. While one *could* go through life not understanding electricity, you are probably in for a shock if you do.
@jimmo42 To the actual issue - your incredulity and my error in attributing buddhist faith to you do not invalidate the bin laden simile. At the time of the gas attack, prior to the more recent incorporation of christian elements, the religion of the aum sect was similar enough to mainstream buddhism that it could only be identified as a branch of buddhist faith
@notnegotiation My incredulity comes from you getting wrong an extremely basic issue, that is confusing the number of dead with the number of injured. Second, you are once again ignoring the main point. Even if they accepted as "mainstream", it is falacious to invalidate the tenets of a belief system simple because of a small group. For example, it would be falacious to invalidate Christianity because of idiots like Ken Hamm and Ray Comfort.
@jimmo42 I dont invalidate buddhism because of the aum sect. I simply hold that buddhism is as much a religion as any of the abrahamic faiths and subject to the wide array of flaws common to all religions,
As religions go i rather like buddhism. While it has been used as a mechanism for oppression it at least doesnt inspire oppression or violence in its own name.
I would like to believe i can achieve enlightenment and ascention by the eightfold path as much as i want to belive i will one day
@notnegotiation So there is nothing in your life that is not governed my rational, scientific rules and laws? All of your decisions are completely rational? Then you are the only person I have ever met where that is true, I personally think it's actually sad if you live your life like Mr. Spock.
@jimmo42 Firstly - I am asexual and aromantic so i get the spock thing a lot, but i actually find an acceptable amount of satisfaction in my life so dont really get the reproach this is meant to be.
Secondly - Who ever said all of my decisions are rational? I said my morality is informed by logic and empathy.
I am trying to get on with my life while enjoying my faith and belief in a God why is this unintelligent ? I have to try to over come my fear or phobia of listening to ones like your self , who offer no hope no dreams no future only temporary satisfaction if your lucky. Do not insult my intelligent's for having faith in something that you don't . Who do you think you are ?
@mrscooter711 As I've said countless times. I called this series "Why do INTELLIGENT people still believe in religion?" Not why do complete morons? As for hope, I have much hope. I do not however have hope in something for which their is no evidence aka faith. Only swindlers and used car salesman tell you that foregoing evidence is a good thing. I do not judge you anymore than I judge a person with a physical malady. You belief with no evidence other than feelings is no fault of your own
@mrscooter711 anibus2814 is far to polite to address your post with as blunt a response as it deserves. I'm not so temperate. Let's start with the question "Who do you think you are?" I should ask you that very thing. Who DO you think you are? This is a forum of open discussion and a place for free speech. It's ALSO anibus2814's OWN CHANNEL. Who do YOU think you are, to come on an open forum and scorn people who are free to present and criticize any damn idea they choose, including your beliefs?
@skepticoz He did reply 45 min ago and he is a very understanding man. even though he called me a moron lol I was hoping he would explain things so every one can understand what the ( hell) he is talking about and thank you for your honest and blunt opinion. I am just a guy in search of truth in answer to your ?
@mrscooter711 "I was hoping he would explain things so every one can understand what the ( hell) he is talking about and thank you for your honest and blunt opinion."
Your welcome. ;) And yes he is a gem. Sincere and reasonable to the core.
"I am just a guy in search of truth in answer to your ?"
Spendid!! Your traveling the same road then. Maybe we'll meet up a bit along the way. : ) Even if you need a ride, your welcome. I'm sure anubis would agree also.
"Do not insult my intelligent's for having faith in something that you don't ."
Have you ever hear that quote, widely attributed to Voltaire: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
You might like to consider that while you're entitled to be offended by what others may say, you're not entitled to NOT be offended. Nobody is obliged to make provisions in their criticisms, to spare you of the offense you may feel entitled to take. Understand?
"I have to try to over come my fear or phobia of listening to ones like your self..."
Now THAT, I fully agree with! Full marks. It deserved a big bold full stop right there. You certainly DO need to overcome what appears to be unrestrained paranoia of hearing criticisms to the contrary of you pre-ordained dogma. But first we need to isolate those fears and examine just what it is that may be causing them. I think you have given a clear hint, at what the basis of your phobia may be.
"...who offer no hope no dreams no future only temporary satisfaction if your lucky."
There's the problem! I find it a little sad (I'm not deliberately being patronizing, only honest). No hope, no dreams no future? I am so sorry to hear you say such things, about the only future you can be reasonably certain about. From this moment on, until your last breath, there exists the potential for a wonderful future, full of hope and fulfillment. We call it LIFE. You don't believe in life BEFORE death?
You see the problem with religions promise of eternal life, hope, joy and fulfillment, is that you are only allowed to know it exists for certain, after you die. Nobody KNOWS that it's there. If you want to just HOPE it is and find that satisfying then I have to wonder, if you have as much vested interest in living your life in the here and now. You give that away, with the 'no hopes/dreams/future' comment. My life is all the MORE precious and rare, because I think it's the only one I will have.
Congrats on 2 years, love your vids. As a life-long artist-now-IT--nerd with a Asperger daughter the one artist/worldview take-away I have to pass on (agreeing with your statement/video) is...
"respond the integrity of the moment"
I try and do not always succeed
It works for art
it works for people (with kind [kindred-ness] -ness) {in agreement with your statements]
I think a simpler approach is to bring up all the other gods they risk offending by worshipping the wrong one. They can't worship every god, and follow contradictory rules. It brings home the silliness of it all.
I actually found that all fear of hell dissolved immediately that I realised there was no God. It was instant; maybe I'm being insensitive, but fear of hell is roughly akin to being afraid of monsters under the bed. It's just childish; it shouldn't need professional counselling. An Atheist who has any residual fear of hell is just laying themselves open to accusations by Christians that they're not *really* an Atheist.
@JCLeSinge Not all phobias are alike. Your fear of hell wasn't that powerful. As I said, many of these people including myself needed professional help for other anxieties.
@anubis2814: My fear of hell was pretty intense, actually; the point is that the anxiety vanished the instant that I realised it was all BS, there was nothing to be afraid of. I felt better than I had in months, if not years.
An atheist experiencing fear of hell would be manifesting other anxieties surrounding their loss of faith; worries about the reactions of their family and peers, for example. The phobia would just be a symptom, the anxiety being the root cause needing to be addressed.
@JCLeSinge children fearing monsters is quite normal, but adults who hear voices and think they are haunted by demons need help. Having pet phobias like being afraid of spiders is one thing, whereas feeling like insects are crawling all over the skin when there are none present is probably a serious mental illness. It is all a matter of degree and type of phobia. You can't simply tell a person with clinical anxiety to "buck up and get over it" and expect them to be cured.
@prophetchannel: Good point, but you're conflating phobia with hallucination. A Christian who believes so fervently that they hallucinate angels and demons (which I used to do, regularly) doesn't equate to an Atheist reacting phobically against something they don't actually believe to exist.
Hallucinations and delusions are a symptom of psychosis; phobias would be an anxiety disorder. So yes; "buck up and get over it"... but also investigate the roots of the anxiety.
I have no identity..which doesn't seem a good motivation. I'm what i do, fucking hollowman. Full of phobias but probably not this, random change in personality is fun i experement with different personalities at different lattitudes. my chem teacher was a nun lol.
As a guy with a lot of phobias this makes a lot of sense... religion sounds even more of a mental illness than ever before even though your trying to explain how intelligent people can believe XD though intelligent people can have phobias i suppose.
I know that logic does not always apply to overcoming fear, at least initially. For what its worth maybe try this, it has worked for at least two people I know. Lets assume the satan and hell are real.
1)Satan's single greatest transgression was rebelling against god.
2)Satan rules hell
3)Why would the ruler of hell torment those who are LIKE him in rebellion? No gain for satan and a lot of work.
4) Hell is a party and satan is host for those who are on his side or god is the evil punisher
I was raised by a pack of wild baptists, and I was a believer until I was about 12, but the idea of hell always seemed completely silly and free of threat, to me. I was never afraid of such a cartoony notion.
When I was a very young child I had nightmares about hell after a pastor at a church we visited made this incredibly vicious sermon on it. The things my father told me one night eventually led to me becoming an agnostic atheist at a very early age. He said something along the lines of "the fact that you're afraid means you believe enough not to go there." I soon realized religion was a mindfuck.
I didn't have acute hadephobia, but a mild version was there during my years as a Christian. I slowly dealt with it in an unplanned manner. Over the years, I encountered data that shook my belief in the Bible as an inerrant book. I slowly assimilated this information and came to regard the Bible not as "literally true," but as a source of spiritual truth. Eventually, intellectual honesty forced me to give up my faith. It was traumatic, but I did finally get past the last bit of hadephobia.
Very enjoyable video. I appreciate that you approach this topic with honesty. I think this fear is the glue for Abrahimic monotheist faiths and a constant stumbling block for recovering theists. Congrats on two years btw.
sorry for thumb down vote... jumping from one topic other and then next seemingly unrelated issue just made this video seem irritating. Im not in the best mood at this moment, so everyone please feel free to ignore my negative vote.
You might like the movie and even better the book, What the bleep do we know. It depicts in great detail the laws of associated memory. It also describes why people believe so strongly in prayer. Thanks for making great videos. Keep it up as I just subbed, lol.
@anubis2814 It also explains why people believe in religion. How do you explain the measurement problem or "spooky action at a distance"? To me, using the word pseudo-science seems like a conditioned response. I agree it is vague but have to stand by what I've read there. If it can explain "prayer" to a "believer" and get them to accept science, I'm all for it. Personally I was skeptical of the claims made there. Were I not I wouldn't have been inspired to pursue "actual" science, and I have.
@derman077 I have myself not read or watched it, but every single psychologist or physicist I've listened to has said the video abuses people's ignorance of things like quantum physics because it is so complex and vague to the average person.
@anubis2814 I wouldn't use the word ignorance because it implies ignoring. The nature of being there in the first place is from a place of curiosity. To me it seems some people don't want to be in the universe they are measuring. Reality may be more malleable than we ever imagined. I am fascinated by t he idea that every part of reality is connected to every other part. Indeed the illusion is duality. The particles that seem to pop in and out of existence might actually reveal amazing things.
@GoblinXXX Styx played in the lobby to the good part of Hades, and in the lobby to the bad part of Hades, the members of Europe play their side project they all wished for, a tribute band to Jon Secada.
Little Albert (Watson & Rayner) was never desensitised he actually continued to live with the phobia until his early death. He was however a study of operant conditioning, part of the learning theory for the initiation of a phobia rather than a treatment like systematic desensitisation and was intended to show phobias were not enate extream fight or flight reactions caused by biological triggers eg. genetics or evolution. Other than that your video is great! (revising for psychology sorry!)
KatieHarperOnline 3 weeks ago
Nice one :-) Thanks for posting as a video response. You are right about blasphemy fear. It took me years to be able to say anything too anti-jesus out load after ditching my faith.
TheFaithCheck 2 months ago
Or you can let people belive what they not and not disrespect them and call them stupid im atheist and im intelligent my father is catholic and he is an intelligent some people just perfer one thing over the other your just being an eliteist and that gets us as humanity nowhere.
Unimaginetiveuser 6 months ago
@Unimaginetiveuser Its because they vote with their religious beliefs, they try to teach non-sense in schools that stunt us scientifically and they cut funding for science at every turn. They infringe on our rights. I actually made a video though discussing Religious Liberals, and how they are much different from conservatives and are for all intensive purposes secular humanists like us. I named the series as I did because people can be intelligent and wrong in other areas.
anubis2814 6 months ago
@Unimaginetiveuser Can you let someone who believes god told them to murder someone believe in that myth? Actions result from believe, as Unimaginetiveuser has just pointed out - politics, etc. No one has a sole right to their belief. We evaluate beliefs in society all the time. Religion just thinks it gets special privileges.
philipgregorydebate 3 months ago
the further along science gets the more and more sense christianity makes to some intellegent people. of course the bible was written a very long time in very colourful language (in at least four languages at that) so some carful interpretaion is needed to find this sense. no atheist is patient enough to do this. mental laziness is more responsible for atheism than anything else.
cwross1976 6 months ago
@cwross1976 Please let me know what you are talking about, with as much study of the bible I've done, it seems more like people are finding patterns where they don't actually exist. We are pattern seeking individuals and superstition if complicated enough can appear intellectual. Believe me there is no laziness on my end. The more science I know and fields I study the more and more the bible sounds like a brutal book of mythology like every other mythological book of its time.
anubis2814 6 months ago
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Reaperlastfm 6 months ago
This whole video sounds like some high school geek trying to sound smart. Any wonder why we never get to see him?
stallion4life 8 months ago
@stallion4life Funny the very definition of high school geek is one who is very smart with little social skills, which I was in high school. You don't see me in this video because its not the format I chose for this series but you can easily see me in other videos on my channel.
anubis2814 8 months ago 3
'' Why do Intelligent People Still Believe in Religion? '' Because even among intelligent people you will find those who are mentally weak. Intelligent does not equal self-confident.
YumeNK 8 months ago
"Questioning Jesus means you hate America, which of course leads to baby eating." xD
jankendorf 8 months ago 7
@jankendorf well we don't eat babies yet... we just really want to use their stem cells to fix michael j fox... what would call taking into ones body the undeveloped tissue of another human being so as to heal one's self?
cwross1976 6 months ago
@cwross1976 You tell me.
jankendorf 6 months ago
this vid=tl;dw
grizzlychris2 10 months ago
@grizzlychris2 That means what?
anubis2814 10 months ago
@anubis2814 too long;don't watch
grizzlychris2 10 months ago
@anubis2814 It means your video was too long, so he didn't watch it.
ClTIZEN 10 months ago
@anubis2814 it means that his attention span is less than 5 minutes
Iamthedinger 10 months ago
@anubis2814 I think he meant: too long; didn't watch.
RaggedM88 10 months ago
@anubis2814 Too long; didn't watch. In essence, it's an admission of having an extremely short attention span on the part of @grizzlychris2.
LeGrugkbdst 6 months ago
String Theory basically proves the existence of "God" IMO
LazarusCato 10 months ago
@LazarusCato String theory neither proves nor disproves god. For that matter string theory does not yet have enough evidence to be considered fact or true. Why we have the large hadron collider. I think like many people, you probably have a confused of string theory, with just enough understanding to be dangerous. My latest video actually discusses people's ignorance of quantum physics being used by spiritualists to basically sound mysticy, get followers and sell books
anubis2814 10 months ago 5
@LazarusCato I guess any theory would "prove the existence of God" to you, right? Hehe, it's called wishful thinking.: )
winterstellar 10 months ago
@LazarusCato Your statement proves you need to do some more reading.
TheF86Sabre 9 months ago
Excellent video. As sad as it is,most of those reasons were the reasons why I was a Christian for so long. Critical/Rational/Logical(unless when used via mathematics) thinking was a super NO NO, embedded in me by my environment. Its really sad. But everything is great now. Atheism!
TheDarkSagan 10 months ago
that sign from the center for inquiry was great!
practicalmagic9 10 months ago
this was one of the hardest concepts i had to get over...as well as the idea that after death is ...nothing.(potentially...but more than likely)
practicalmagic9 10 months ago
Wasn't Anubis a God? ?(Rhetorical question) Egyptian , Right?. . .At least those deities were fun
45zarathustra 11 months ago
Two years? Congrats!
KnurdShogun 11 months ago
*snore zzzzz
jorgedubya77707 11 months ago
God is constantly portrayed as a common , petty little pissant that is blindly unaware of the universe that he/it occupies. Religion could at least accept a complete rewrite to make god seem a little more intelligent , no ? My five year old has a better grasp of electricity than god and people want to worship the idea of that ? Shame on you dummies !!!!
ReasonableAssumption 11 months ago
Intelligence does not cure stupidity!
MsWanderer1 11 months ago
i have a suggestion.. could you use cartoons in your videos instead of pictures?
wonderlandcharlie 11 months ago
@wonderlandcharlie why? Peeplez luvs teh lolcats
anubis2814 11 months ago
There's going to be more psychiatrist than lawyers by the time religion dies.
WilliamPbrane 11 months ago
@WilliamPbrane Considering how many neurosis the human race has from war, abuse and religion we really need it.
anubis2814 11 months ago
@anubis2814 More specifically religion appeases mild to severe psychosis in its adherents. If you truly think there’s an evil presence trying to trick you into doing bad things you need a psychiatrist not a priest to tell you you’re right.
WilliamPbrane 11 months ago
I remember being a kid...somewhere between 10 and 12 years old and just not able to get my mind to fully accept the notion (I thought I just couldnt understand) that an all powerful god created a nearly all powerful evil that would eventually end up with a battle that would end time...but its ok...cause god will win. Who goes to see a fight that is supposed to be the EPIC BOXING MATCH OF THE CENTURY with ... 1,000,000 to 1 odds...unless you go just for the beat down?
destin325 11 months ago
i am the lucky one. i have no fears or phobias.
bring it on.
peace, lardo.
lardo444 11 months ago
Thanks for posting, this was a very good clip :)
bary1234 11 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
So how do people that don't believe in God get over the fact that they're of going to hell?Oh.......wait nevermind.They just don't allow theirself to believe in Heaven or Hell so that dying isn't so scary.I learned something new today.......thanks for that I guess..Oh and by the way.I don't care that you're an athiest but maybe you should stop trying to push your views over on other people.....yeah do that!!!Thanks!!!
bigjess71 11 months ago
@bigjess71 I'm not pushing my views on anyone, I'm just stating my views and you can either watch or not. Its that easy. Thanks to the wonderful freedom of speech I have the right to state my views just like anyone else.
anubis2814 11 months ago 31
@anubis2814 a point of view which is acceptable as long as you don't put it in a public forum or else it is subject to scrutiny. As you have have put it there, surely you must accept that you are trying to influence others opinions otherwise why on earth would you make it public? It's a cop out to say you have no agenda, because if you really didn't have one, you would be happy to let others live and let live and would not have posted this video.
scorchio1976 11 months ago
@scorchio1976 “It’s a cop out to say you have no agenda”
Anubis only said he isn’t pushing his views on anyone. He is trying to offer help and advice, so that is an agenda of sorts. But to push your views on others one needs to follow the religious example: rally followers to condemn the right to discourse for opposing beliefs. Kinda what you are doing here: rather than engaging in the discourse, suggesting people shouldn’t post videos contrary to your beliefs.
Blackmark52 11 months ago
@Blackmark52 Perhaps if you reply to the comment in it's entirety as opposed to one line, you would see that a positive discourse could emerge - So I'll repeat it again - You put a video on a public forum where it is accessible for anyone to see you are going to influence how others see your points of view. At no point did I say he shouldn't do it, at no point did I say I disagree with his points. It is however a cop out to say it is not there to influence others when clearly it is.
scorchio1976 11 months ago
@scorchio1976 If I quoted your entire post I wouldn't have room left to respond. Besides what about what you said wasn't addressed? But in case my first sentence wasn't clear enough, allow me to rephrase it: Anubis didn't claim not to have an agenda, neither did he say he had no intention of influencing his viewers. But besides putting words in his mouth you are also conflating issues: having an agenda and presenting a point of view that one hopes will influence others is not the same thing.
Blackmark52 11 months ago
@Blackmark52 I also find it amusing that you seem to automatically assume I'm of a religious persuasion when I actually offered no critique of the video with regard to my personal beliefs.It seems ironic to critique my comments by saying I have an agenda, when you appear to already have decided what my background is with no facts. I merely commented on the actual action of the video being published on a public forum and that people should accept the responsability that comes with that.
scorchio1976 11 months ago
@bigjess71 If you don't believe in Killben the magical unicorn god, you will spend eternity in determina, a place so horrible it makes hell seem like a joke. Imagine the pain of 1000 cheese graters on every part of your body slowly moving back and fourth and your skin instantly regrows on every stroke while acid is pumped into your veins, times that pain by infinty. Wait nevermind... your just not gonna allow yourself to believe in that so when you die it dosen't seem so scary.
zpgJiggleBilly 11 months ago
@zpgJiggleBilly You can believe whatever you want to believe.But you're still fucking stupid.
bigjess71 11 months ago
@bigjess71 I see, how long have you been having paranoid delusions?
zpgJiggleBilly 11 months ago
@bigjess71 Yeah and telling a 3 year old that Mommy and Daddy are going to heaven and that they are going to burn alone in hell forever unless they believe in god is not pushing your views on anyone. Please at least try to hide your stupidity next time.
ReasonableAssumption 11 months ago
@ReasonableAssumption I can't help it if you have mommy and daddy issues.I'm not your therapist so please stay on topic dumbass.
bigjess71 11 months ago
@bigjess71 You still believe in heaven and hell , you should really grow up. Have a nice day though and try to get your mom and dad let you plat outside it will clear your head up :)
ReasonableAssumption 11 months ago
@ReasonableAssumption You're still having issues with your mother and father huh?Oh man I'm sorry but that doesn't give you an excuse to be a prick that believes in nothing at all.I know it's tough that you never got to play outside because mommy and daddy wouldn't let you but don't try to accuse my parents of doing that ok?My parents love me........that's something you know nothing about.Which is why you don't have any will or the balls to believe in anything.Have a nice day shithead.
bigjess71 11 months ago
@bigjess71 I'll let your own comments speak for themselves . You don't even realize that the bible was written by sheep herders for the masses. I know nothing will get through that ignorance. God supposedly carved his words into two slabs of stone and suddenly he needs people to write on paper, he creates everything except he needs a vagina for his own son. He needs to flood the world with water to start over again , what? Three days was too long the first time so he needs to waste forty ? :)
ReasonableAssumption 11 months ago
@ReasonableAssumption Ok.........And???The Bible has been around alot longer than both you and I have so what makes you think it's all nonsense?You don't know........unless you're millions of years old.I'm fucking doubting that very much so you're not proving anything you're just telling me that the things written in the Bible is a bunch of nonsense.So you might as well me talking to a fucking wall about it because I couldn't give a shit about your opinion on the subject.
bigjess71 11 months ago
@bigjess71 It says that the planet is only 6000 years old , remember . Reading the bible that made me disbelieve it . I figured that the story about the boat would convnce most people that a deity had nothing to do with the bible. Death is only the absense of life it is not some grandiose phase of life like the bible says it is. Before you were born you never were and after your death you never will be again , to come to any other conclusion that is not bred out of fear of the unknown is wrong.
ReasonableAssumption 11 months ago
@ReasonableAssumption You don't think it's possible to ride in a big ass boat with a shit load of animals loaded onto it???..............hahahahha Ok.........whatever.
bigjess71 11 months ago
@bigjess71 sorry I thought you were being serious , this shows you are just a troll because only an idiot would believe that Noah and his family could clean up the feces produced by approximately 600,000 tons of mammals let alone feed them. thank you for wasting my time , go to bed you dumb little asshat .
ReasonableAssumption 11 months ago
@ReasonableAssumption lol Why???All they had to do is scoop the animal shit up and throw it overboard.How do you think black people got to America even though they all started out in one country?They were brought to America.....on boats!!!!And they didn't even bring every single African over to America but still there are black people all over the fucking world.How on Earth could that possibly happen???I suppose now you're going to tell me you don't believe slavery happened either.lol
bigjess71 11 months ago
@bigjess71 Whatever troll a boat floating above the highest mountaintop where oxygen levels require tanks and a mask and the temperature is low enough to extinguish any life on the boat in a matter of hours is suddenly equivalent to the slave trade and your ridiculous assertion that all blacks came from one country. I know you are trolling because you can't be this stupid and remember how to feed yourself. Your replying is helping me showcase the futility in supporting any version of religion .
ReasonableAssumption 11 months ago
@ReasonableAssumption Who said anything about the boat floating over mountain tops?How do you know that the highest mountain tops we know about today were that high when Noah was on Earth?Do you know any of this shit?No you don't.And the black people that were slaves in America were from Africa.They didn't even need thousands of years to fuck and make babies either and take a look at how quickly they multiplied.So "the boat story" could have happened whether you admit it or not.
bigjess71 11 months ago
@bigjess71 On the contrary, the "boat story" you are taking from the bible I assume? If so, going to basic understanding of pure geometric dimensions, the possibility that the boat built by noah was rather inadequate to house even a small percentage of two of each kind of animal, secondly gathering all these animals in the first place sigh... but i guess anything is possible with god. Secondly while most black slaves were from Africa that was not the only place they came from.
zpgJiggleBilly 11 months ago
@zpgJiggleBilly You how big Noahs boat was???I wasn't aware that you were there helping him build the fucking boat.Animals eat,sleep,shit,and fuck and that's all they do.That means they can make alot of babies in just a matter of a few years.You don't know shit about animals do you?I don't think you understand a whole lot about anything to be totally honest.So I think you should do us both a favor and shut up already.Trying to explain things to you is like trying to teach a monkey how to read.
bigjess71 11 months ago
@bigjess71 Someone hasn't been reading their bible.- nuff said
zpgJiggleBilly 10 months ago
@zpgJiggleBilly What?
DarkArktic 10 months ago
@zpgJiggleBilly ya the little boat big zoo sort of ruins this little story , lol. Noah is suddenly a zoologist with enough experience to feed and care for every known creature on the planet on a little wooden boat with non-existant ventilation and lighting. Don't forget according to the bible bats are birds and one dinky planet took 3 days and all the rest took 1. Every single passage exposes to sheer ignorance of the authors that is impossible to show as devinely inspired.
ReasonableAssumption 11 months ago
@ReasonableAssumption Ok you know what?Believe what you want to believe.I don't give a fuck.......you know what I can't believe?I can't believe your father fucked your mother without a condom 9 months before you crawled out of her ass.I don't believe in you.....I refuse to believe you exist you're a pathetic little asshole and I don't like you.
bigjess71 11 months ago
@ReasonableAssumption It's not my fault you're father is Fred Phelps........I don't agree with the things he does either.Just shut the fuck up though because I dont' want to hear about it.Thanks though I wish I did but I don't so yeah......fuck off.
bigjess71 11 months ago
@bigjess71 He's not pushing his views on anyone. Stop crying.
JerryConlon 11 months ago
@bigjess71 If you can prove the existence of Heaven or Hell then please do so, because not only would you win a nobel prize you would also convert many people to Christianity.
If you cannot prove the existence of either (by prove I mean provide scientific tangible evidence), then keep your imaginary places and fear mongering to yourself. Many people have lived their entire lives in fear because of religions who proclaim the existence of these superstitious places. You should be ashamed.
IHighLikePlane 11 months ago
@IHighLikePlane Uhhhhhh..........Ever heard of the Bible???Theres evidence about that kind of thing in that book.You should read it sometime maybe you'll learn about that kind of shit instead of insulting other people that believe in the things that the Bible says is true.That would make alot of sense.
I'm sure you're too busy reading the Book of Evolution or studying the Big Bang Theory which is total bullshit by the way.Just so you know.
bigjess71 11 months ago
@bigjess71 First of all the Bible doesn't prove anything. I can write that a unicorn's period gave birth to the universe, put it in a book, say its the word of God, and create a religion about it. That doesn't make it true. So unless you have some REAL TANGIBLE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE, stop scaring children with your imaginary torture demension.
Second of all, I never insulted you, the fact that you think I did alarms me.
IHighLikePlane 11 months ago
@IHighLikePlane You could write whatever you want and nobody in their right mind would ever give a fuck about it.So no that's not anywhere close to being true.I don't know anyone that would believe anything about a unicorn.........what is it with you and unicorns anyway?What the fuck.........you know what?I think you smoke alot of fucking weed so I'm not even talking to you anymore.You dont' know what the fuck you're talking about.
bigjess71 11 months ago
@bigjess71 I have a hard time believing you're this stupid. You're either lying about your age, or you're an elaborate troll.
qkilld 11 months ago
@bigjess71 there is no one book of evolution, EVERY field from Anthropology to genetics to biology confirms and reconfirms evolution. None of life sciences would make any sense without it. It would just be a bunch of random things happening that we would just be recording.
anubis2814 11 months ago
@bigjess71
9/10 on the failure scale. Please try again, and next time be sure to contain an argument that is centered around evidence not based on theological emotions.
b1gr1g 11 months ago
@bigjess71 Pushing your views onto other people means, approaching them in the street, knocking on front doors. frightening them with hell. Getting tax exemptions so you can leverage your garbage over truth. In the western world we have fought off the church, to the extent that we can at least speak out without being burnt at the stake. I guess you pine and dream for the old world order to return.
ianpennack 11 months ago
@bigjess71 "maybe you should stop trying to push your views over on other people"
Didn't you voluntarily come and watch this video? He's not standing on a street corner or picketing a soldier's funeral. He posted a video, which people can watch if they choose. YOU *chose* to come here, no one forced you. Maybe you should stop making totally invalid comments.....yeah do that!!!Thanks!!!
jimmo42 11 months ago
People don't like their reality to be messed with. which I can understand, problem is Religion is a formula that does just that.
groovyengineer 11 months ago
guess we'll have to wait until we die to see who gets the last laugh eh :D I think its funny when people claim they have it figured out because really they have no clue nobody does.
ismokedaily420 11 months ago
You constantly refer to "religion" in general, so I am curious what particular aspects of Taoism do you believe are invalid? Which aspects do you believe are demonstrably wrong?
jimmo42 11 months ago
@jimmo42 Taoism and Buddhism as philosophies are the only part with any validity. Any nod at supernatural in anything other than metaphor is bogus.
anubis2814 11 months ago 16
@anubis2814 You do not believe in anything beyond the ability of science to explain it (read: the supernatural)? So, you believe that the concept of the Tao is "bogus"? Is this only belief, or do you have evidence to support it?
Taoism is a belief of something beyond or higher than ourselves and is more than just a "philosophy". So, which aspects do you believe are demonstrably wrong?
jimmo42 11 months ago
@jimmo42 The concept of the Tao from my reading is the idea of everything aka the universe that is too complex and gigantic to be explainable. Supernatural is not how I read it. Of course I might be reading it with a scientific bias but even so the way I read it, it is a pretty good partial philosophy
anubis2814 11 months ago
@anubis2814 "Supernatural is not how I read it" OK, understood. Many people interpret it as supernatural because it is "beyond human understanding". However, your assesment fits with my understanding. The first line of the Tao Te Ching says "The Tao which can be named is not the real Tao." The more you try to describe it, the further away you get. I would suggest Ron Hogan's translation. It is in vernacular English and I think misses a few subleties, but I think it is a good introduction.
jimmo42 11 months ago
@anubis2814 what about hinduism?
HOAX900 11 months ago
@anubis2814 "Any nod at supernatural in anything other than metaphor is bogus."
So you believe that there must be a scientific explanation for everything, correct?
jimmo42 11 months ago
@anubis2814 I completely agree. Yet, would just add that in Buddhisms case especially, it is obvious how an original philosophy based on compassion was later twisted by political machinations of ruling classes etc. (as, this is probably somewhat true of all religions). And, how because of it's more altruistic/compassionate base proved more difficult than other philosophies to bend to a martial or dictatorial mind set. I believe some will always misunderstand metaphor, and create religion,agree?
Christopholaes 10 months ago
@jimmo42 @anubis2814 Taoism and Buddhism in general get a good rap from atheists. In a sense it may be deserve, but really...
Both feature a pantheon of gods that behave as badly as YHWH or Allah and laws/truths that contradict other laws and truths they hold to be simultaneously accurate. Any flaw of Abrahamic faith you can name has its counterpart in the other faiths. Both religions even have the knock on effects of the repression and control of a people. Ask china and Tibet.
notnegotiation 11 months ago
@notnegotiation
Sorry? Taoism and Buddhism have "a pantheon of gods"? when did that happen ?
Both are about "the self" and improving yourself, without any reference to anything thiestic, there is NOTHING in either about gods!
Buddha was a man, plain and simple, but he gained understanding about himself and the world around him, nothing to do with a deity, nothing to do with any kind of god.
I suggest you actually do a little research, because Taoism is Japanese, Buddhism is Indian.
THEMrFill 11 months ago
@THEMrFill Sorry my bad for trying to answer a collective question without two separate responses. Taoism - pantheon of gods. Buddhism - pantheon of god-like ascended humans.
Oh wait nothing in either? Oh, sorry which relligion does the Jadde emperor hail from then?
Taoism came from Japan? WTF? I thought it was Tang dynasty china myself, oh hey and so does stanford university press (ISBN 0-8047-2839-9)
Not sure what the country of origin has to do with this though.
So what about research?
notnegotiation 11 months ago
@THEMrFill "Taoism is Japanese" In actually originated in China.
jimmo42 11 months ago
@notnegotiation
oops, I mis-spoke - Taoism does have gods, but Buddhism definitely doesn't!
How do I know this? BECAUSE I'M A BUDDHIST!
Oh, and a lot of Buddhists I know don't consider it a religion, because it is non-thiestic, it has no deity, it's just a belief system - it's like saying that following a political party is a religion, because it has it's own belief system, neither has something you worship, but you believe in their "teachings" so they MUST be religions, right? RIGHT?
THEMrFill 11 months ago
@THEMrFill Oh you picked it never mind.
Non-theistic, belief system, no deity. Sadly for your sophistry a deity is not required for a religion as by common definition religion is simply a cultural system with established symbols relating humanity to belief and morality.
I do love the way you have avoided confronting my assertion the Buddhism has done the same damage as a religion in places where the chinese empire coopted it to control subject populations though.
Classy and brave
notnegotiation 11 months ago
@notnegotiation "Both feature a pantheon of gods that behave as badly as"
You're like a fundie arguing evolution. You spout out something without ever having looked at it (or pehaps simply googled one page). There are no Gods in buddisms and they deities in Taoism were integrated from other beliefs centuries after Lao Tzu, which was thousands of years after the original text. It's like saying Christianity is flawed because of mega-churches and tele-evangelists.
jimmo42 11 months ago
@notnegotiation
"Any flaw of Abrahamic faith you can name has its counterpart in the other faiths.
For example?
"Both religions even have the knock on effects of the repression and control."
Once again you argue like a fundie. Neither buddhism nor taoism have anything to do with the "repression and control" These religion are simple present in those countries. It's like saying tea has "knock on effects of the repression and control of a people". You are obviously ignorant of the facts.
jimmo42 11 months ago
@jimmo42 Really? you are going to try and argue that Buddhism hasnt been one of the primary tools china has used to control the tibetan people since the 14th century? Perhaps you should do the research and make sure i'm not claiming things without my own research before you fling accusations.
For flaws common to all relions, lets go with religiously motivated terorism. How about the sarin gas attack on the tokyo subway made by the Aum Buddhist sect.
notnegotiation 11 months ago
@jimmo42
For flaws common to all relions, lets go with religiously motivated terorism. How about the sarin gas attack on the tokyo subway made by the Aum Buddhist sect. An attack with 6,286 dead. More than double the death toll of 'the most horrifying terror attack on american soil ever' in which only 3021 people died.
Please stop crying for me to do my research before you ahve done your own. you might notice that i actually do have examples to draw on before you make a fool of yourself then
notnegotiation 11 months ago
@notnegotiation While your point is valid about certain people corrupting religion for their own goals, that does not imply the basic tennets of the religion are wrong.
"An attack with 6,286 dead." Every source that I just found and my own memory say that the death toll was a couple of dozen. The 6,286 or whatever number you want to use is the *injured*, not dead. What was that about "before you make a fool of yourself"?
jimmo42 11 months ago
@jimmo42 Agreed, the problem is solidly dogma. The Japanese empire used Buddhism and Shintoism to rouse nationalism for WWII. If one can use their followers by invoking the US vs them mindset you can get them to do anything. Nothing in Buddhism discussing war, it pacifistic. However the bible and the Qu'ron make it much easier to use people for violence because these books are pretty pro-war.
anubis2814 11 months ago
@anubis2814 Very well said! To me that is one of the key issues. There is the statement that the characteristics of some religions are "bad" or some religions allow for "bad" things. People then conclude "all religions are bad". Religion has been abused for bad things, therefore religion is bad. For me it's like saying alcohol leads to drinking and driving which causes death and injury therefore we need to make alcohol illegal.
jimmo42 11 months ago
@notnegotiation Also, from what I was able to find the Aum Shinrikyo were considered a "new religious movement" because their beliefs were not part of any commonly accepted religion, but rather a mixture of several different ones. I have never seen anything calling them a "Buddhist sect" and has been official rejected by Buddhist leaders in Japan. Blaming their action on Buddism is just as fallacious as blaming the actions of Jim Jones or David Koresh on Christianity.
jimmo42 11 months ago
@jimmo42 Sorry to call you disingenuous now. But the aum sect's beliefs were constructed primarily from yoga and buddhism at the time of the attacks and the sect self identified as a buddhist group. Making your agrument that other buddhists disown them hold as much water as me claiming osama was not a muslim because my local imam disagrees with the 9-11 bombings.
You are sounding more and more like a person of any other religion who just wants to believe their faith can do no wrong.
notnegotiation 11 months ago
@notnegotiation Considering you cannot even get basic facts right like 6,286 dead not being that same as 6,286 injured, your credibility is questionable. Added to the fact, I have never made the claim I was a buddhist, that demonstrates you are not paying attention. Further, your anology with bin laden makes me wonder if you are not really a troll. We are talking about the tenets of the religion and not acts carried out by alleged adherants to said religion. Why is that so hard to understand?
jimmo42 11 months ago
@notnegotiation My assumption is that if you were trully familiar with the Aum Shinrikyo and the sarin gas attack rather than simply goolging a few quick references, you would not have made such a grevious mistake with the number of deaths. Since you ephamized that number with "More than double the death toll of...", it is extremely unlikely that it was simply a typo. If you make mistakes at that level with something so simple, why should we trust your dilligence with more complex issues?
jimmo42 11 months ago
@jimmo42 My appologies for that, i was confusing you with THEMrFill who did self identify as a buddhist.
I will also admit to trolling. I am currently on injury leave and quite bored. Also - the religion debate holds no actual interest for me. It is simply a non-issue in my country. So much so that i was 15 years old and had left home before i found out that religion was something people took seriously rather than a pointless social ritual to be seen paying lip service to
notnegotiation 11 months ago
@notnegotiation Considering the effect religion has had on world history and continues to have on current events, understanding it is key aspect of understanding the modern world. While one *could* go through life not understanding electricity, you are probably in for a shock if you do.
jimmo42 11 months ago
@jimmo42 To the actual issue - your incredulity and my error in attributing buddhist faith to you do not invalidate the bin laden simile. At the time of the gas attack, prior to the more recent incorporation of christian elements, the religion of the aum sect was similar enough to mainstream buddhism that it could only be identified as a branch of buddhist faith
notnegotiation 11 months ago
@notnegotiation My incredulity comes from you getting wrong an extremely basic issue, that is confusing the number of dead with the number of injured. Second, you are once again ignoring the main point. Even if they accepted as "mainstream", it is falacious to invalidate the tenets of a belief system simple because of a small group. For example, it would be falacious to invalidate Christianity because of idiots like Ken Hamm and Ray Comfort.
jimmo42 11 months ago
@jimmo42 I dont invalidate buddhism because of the aum sect. I simply hold that buddhism is as much a religion as any of the abrahamic faiths and subject to the wide array of flaws common to all religions,
As religions go i rather like buddhism. While it has been used as a mechanism for oppression it at least doesnt inspire oppression or violence in its own name.
I would like to believe i can achieve enlightenment and ascention by the eightfold path as much as i want to belive i will one day
notnegotiation 11 months ago
@jimmo42 find the hourai elixir and gain my rightful seat at the heat death of the universe.
Fact and reality of course compel me to admit that neither is likely and that either way i will meet greater success by living my logic and empathy.
the fact that the moral code buddhism espouses is genreally good does not change the fact that it is dictated by essentially a supernatural belief
notnegotiation 11 months ago
@notnegotiation So there is nothing in your life that is not governed my rational, scientific rules and laws? All of your decisions are completely rational? Then you are the only person I have ever met where that is true, I personally think it's actually sad if you live your life like Mr. Spock.
jimmo42 11 months ago
@jimmo42 Firstly - I am asexual and aromantic so i get the spock thing a lot, but i actually find an acceptable amount of satisfaction in my life so dont really get the reproach this is meant to be.
Secondly - Who ever said all of my decisions are rational? I said my morality is informed by logic and empathy.
notnegotiation 11 months ago
I am trying to get on with my life while enjoying my faith and belief in a God why is this unintelligent ? I have to try to over come my fear or phobia of listening to ones like your self , who offer no hope no dreams no future only temporary satisfaction if your lucky. Do not insult my intelligent's for having faith in something that you don't . Who do you think you are ?
mrscooter711 11 months ago
@mrscooter711 As I've said countless times. I called this series "Why do INTELLIGENT people still believe in religion?" Not why do complete morons? As for hope, I have much hope. I do not however have hope in something for which their is no evidence aka faith. Only swindlers and used car salesman tell you that foregoing evidence is a good thing. I do not judge you anymore than I judge a person with a physical malady. You belief with no evidence other than feelings is no fault of your own
anubis2814 11 months ago
@mrscooter711 anibus2814 is far to polite to address your post with as blunt a response as it deserves. I'm not so temperate. Let's start with the question "Who do you think you are?" I should ask you that very thing. Who DO you think you are? This is a forum of open discussion and a place for free speech. It's ALSO anibus2814's OWN CHANNEL. Who do YOU think you are, to come on an open forum and scorn people who are free to present and criticize any damn idea they choose, including your beliefs?
skepticoz 11 months ago
@skepticoz He did reply 45 min ago and he is a very understanding man. even though he called me a moron lol I was hoping he would explain things so every one can understand what the ( hell) he is talking about and thank you for your honest and blunt opinion. I am just a guy in search of truth in answer to your ?
mrscooter711 11 months ago
@mrscooter711 "I was hoping he would explain things so every one can understand what the ( hell) he is talking about and thank you for your honest and blunt opinion."
Your welcome. ;) And yes he is a gem. Sincere and reasonable to the core.
"I am just a guy in search of truth in answer to your ?"
Spendid!! Your traveling the same road then. Maybe we'll meet up a bit along the way. : ) Even if you need a ride, your welcome. I'm sure anubis would agree also.
skepticoz 11 months ago
"Do not insult my intelligent's for having faith in something that you don't ."
Have you ever hear that quote, widely attributed to Voltaire: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
You might like to consider that while you're entitled to be offended by what others may say, you're not entitled to NOT be offended. Nobody is obliged to make provisions in their criticisms, to spare you of the offense you may feel entitled to take. Understand?
skepticoz 11 months ago
"I have to try to over come my fear or phobia of listening to ones like your self..."
Now THAT, I fully agree with! Full marks. It deserved a big bold full stop right there. You certainly DO need to overcome what appears to be unrestrained paranoia of hearing criticisms to the contrary of you pre-ordained dogma. But first we need to isolate those fears and examine just what it is that may be causing them. I think you have given a clear hint, at what the basis of your phobia may be.
skepticoz 11 months ago
"...who offer no hope no dreams no future only temporary satisfaction if your lucky."
There's the problem! I find it a little sad (I'm not deliberately being patronizing, only honest). No hope, no dreams no future? I am so sorry to hear you say such things, about the only future you can be reasonably certain about. From this moment on, until your last breath, there exists the potential for a wonderful future, full of hope and fulfillment. We call it LIFE. You don't believe in life BEFORE death?
skepticoz 11 months ago
You see the problem with religions promise of eternal life, hope, joy and fulfillment, is that you are only allowed to know it exists for certain, after you die. Nobody KNOWS that it's there. If you want to just HOPE it is and find that satisfying then I have to wonder, if you have as much vested interest in living your life in the here and now. You give that away, with the 'no hopes/dreams/future' comment. My life is all the MORE precious and rare, because I think it's the only one I will have.
skepticoz 11 months ago
@skepticoz "You don't believe in life BEFORE death?"
Excellent phrasing. Kudos.
viridismonasteriense 11 months ago
@TLSlayer1 no lol, drama in general.
anubis2814 11 months ago
@TLSlayer1 I did drama when I was a teen and early 20. I'm done with that.
anubis2814 11 months ago
Congrats on 2 years, love your vids. As a life-long artist-now-IT--nerd with a Asperger daughter the one artist/worldview take-away I have to pass on (agreeing with your statement/video) is...
"respond the integrity of the moment"
I try and do not always succeed
It works for art
it works for people (with kind [kindred-ness] -ness) {in agreement with your statements]
It works in society (see above disclaimer)
It works in love
It works in life
cjeffers101 11 months ago
Yay you :)
XenogeneGray 11 months ago
We Trolls never cease to marvel at the depths of human neuroses.
OnionTrollsAlliance 11 months ago
I think a simpler approach is to bring up all the other gods they risk offending by worshipping the wrong one. They can't worship every god, and follow contradictory rules. It brings home the silliness of it all.
ATHEISTIQ 11 months ago
afraid of hell??? could that be the most illogical phobia of all?
runtubefantasy 11 months ago
Congrats! Keep up the great work!
dgeypscun 11 months ago
Congrats on the two year anniversary. And thanks for the effort. Always enjoy your common sense articulations!
dubaipete 11 months ago
Good video as always
spamllpitdept 11 months ago
I actually found that all fear of hell dissolved immediately that I realised there was no God. It was instant; maybe I'm being insensitive, but fear of hell is roughly akin to being afraid of monsters under the bed. It's just childish; it shouldn't need professional counselling. An Atheist who has any residual fear of hell is just laying themselves open to accusations by Christians that they're not *really* an Atheist.
JCLeSinge 11 months ago
@JCLeSinge Not all phobias are alike. Your fear of hell wasn't that powerful. As I said, many of these people including myself needed professional help for other anxieties.
anubis2814 11 months ago
@anubis2814: My fear of hell was pretty intense, actually; the point is that the anxiety vanished the instant that I realised it was all BS, there was nothing to be afraid of. I felt better than I had in months, if not years.
An atheist experiencing fear of hell would be manifesting other anxieties surrounding their loss of faith; worries about the reactions of their family and peers, for example. The phobia would just be a symptom, the anxiety being the root cause needing to be addressed.
JCLeSinge 11 months ago
@JCLeSinge children fearing monsters is quite normal, but adults who hear voices and think they are haunted by demons need help. Having pet phobias like being afraid of spiders is one thing, whereas feeling like insects are crawling all over the skin when there are none present is probably a serious mental illness. It is all a matter of degree and type of phobia. You can't simply tell a person with clinical anxiety to "buck up and get over it" and expect them to be cured.
prophetchannel 11 months ago 2
@prophetchannel: Good point, but you're conflating phobia with hallucination. A Christian who believes so fervently that they hallucinate angels and demons (which I used to do, regularly) doesn't equate to an Atheist reacting phobically against something they don't actually believe to exist.
Hallucinations and delusions are a symptom of psychosis; phobias would be an anxiety disorder. So yes; "buck up and get over it"... but also investigate the roots of the anxiety.
JCLeSinge 11 months ago
I have no identity..which doesn't seem a good motivation. I'm what i do, fucking hollowman. Full of phobias but probably not this, random change in personality is fun i experement with different personalities at different lattitudes. my chem teacher was a nun lol.
unassumption 11 months ago
As a guy with a lot of phobias this makes a lot of sense... religion sounds even more of a mental illness than ever before even though your trying to explain how intelligent people can believe XD though intelligent people can have phobias i suppose.
unassumption 11 months ago
I've got a pair of intellectual friends and they actively defend their religion, not passively accept it. Thoughts?
29Ocelot 11 months ago
Good vid and happy anniversary :)
MasterOhSo 11 months ago
A must see : "Why do Intelligent People Still Believe in Religion" series.
smartmarlino 11 months ago
I know that logic does not always apply to overcoming fear, at least initially. For what its worth maybe try this, it has worked for at least two people I know. Lets assume the satan and hell are real.
1)Satan's single greatest transgression was rebelling against god.
2)Satan rules hell
3)Why would the ruler of hell torment those who are LIKE him in rebellion? No gain for satan and a lot of work.
4) Hell is a party and satan is host for those who are on his side or god is the evil punisher
savageecho 11 months ago
Happy channel birthday.
explosivoification 11 months ago
I was raised by a pack of wild baptists, and I was a believer until I was about 12, but the idea of hell always seemed completely silly and free of threat, to me. I was never afraid of such a cartoony notion.
GoblinXXX 11 months ago
When I was a very young child I had nightmares about hell after a pastor at a church we visited made this incredibly vicious sermon on it. The things my father told me one night eventually led to me becoming an agnostic atheist at a very early age. He said something along the lines of "the fact that you're afraid means you believe enough not to go there." I soon realized religion was a mindfuck.
zarkoff45 11 months ago 21
@zarkoff45 Wow I had a similar experience. however I didn't have the nightmare.
systematic101 11 months ago
I didn't have acute hadephobia, but a mild version was there during my years as a Christian. I slowly dealt with it in an unplanned manner. Over the years, I encountered data that shook my belief in the Bible as an inerrant book. I slowly assimilated this information and came to regard the Bible not as "literally true," but as a source of spiritual truth. Eventually, intellectual honesty forced me to give up my faith. It was traumatic, but I did finally get past the last bit of hadephobia.
Puchicas9 11 months ago
Very enjoyable video. I appreciate that you approach this topic with honesty. I think this fear is the glue for Abrahimic monotheist faiths and a constant stumbling block for recovering theists. Congrats on two years btw.
ManifestMiasma 11 months ago
sorry for thumb down vote... jumping from one topic other and then next seemingly unrelated issue just made this video seem irritating. Im not in the best mood at this moment, so everyone please feel free to ignore my negative vote.
futureorreligion 11 months ago
Religion is founded on just one concept: SELF-DELUSION.
PureLiberalFire 11 months ago 9
You might like the movie and even better the book, What the bleep do we know. It depicts in great detail the laws of associated memory. It also describes why people believe so strongly in prayer. Thanks for making great videos. Keep it up as I just subbed, lol.
derman077 11 months ago
@derman077 I have science books for that, That movie is based on a TON of pseudo-science and peoples ignorance of science.
anubis2814 11 months ago 2
@anubis2814 It also explains why people believe in religion. How do you explain the measurement problem or "spooky action at a distance"? To me, using the word pseudo-science seems like a conditioned response. I agree it is vague but have to stand by what I've read there. If it can explain "prayer" to a "believer" and get them to accept science, I'm all for it. Personally I was skeptical of the claims made there. Were I not I wouldn't have been inspired to pursue "actual" science, and I have.
derman077 11 months ago
@derman077 I have myself not read or watched it, but every single psychologist or physicist I've listened to has said the video abuses people's ignorance of things like quantum physics because it is so complex and vague to the average person.
anubis2814 11 months ago
@anubis2814 I wouldn't use the word ignorance because it implies ignoring. The nature of being there in the first place is from a place of curiosity. To me it seems some people don't want to be in the universe they are measuring. Reality may be more malleable than we ever imagined. I am fascinated by t he idea that every part of reality is connected to every other part. Indeed the illusion is duality. The particles that seem to pop in and out of existence might actually reveal amazing things.
derman077 11 months ago
lulz, hadephophia is named after Hades. Hades had a bad, and a good part, and featured the band Styx playing their hits when you entered. True story.
MinervaInTheBrain 11 months ago
@MinervaInTheBrain Heheh, was Styx part of the bad part or the good part?
GoblinXXX 11 months ago
@GoblinXXX Styx played in the lobby to the good part of Hades, and in the lobby to the bad part of Hades, the members of Europe play their side project they all wished for, a tribute band to Jon Secada.
MinervaInTheBrain 11 months ago