@Jangof3tt this appears to be a standard cello- Bylsma seldom, if ever used an endpin. The lower bouts of this instrument appear too narrow to be a gamba. I also do not count the number of pegs in the scroll for this to be a gamba. If it is anything other than a cello, it could be a rare find like the violoncello piccolo.
we may never know bach's real intentions, but i can bet my life that bach would never approve of 2:55. imagine it was a keyboard piece, that kind of musicality would be more quickly exposed as nonsensical. on a string instrument you can get away with more, because there is a more detailed timbre and palate of color. Not that it matters IMO, but pretending to know the mind of bach IS the spirit of this fashionable movement
@dkurgano It's not a matter of opinion, because you can't say that bach would not have approved the ending, while bylsma is THE specialist of Bach's cello playing
@dkurgano and by the way, it makes so muche sense to end this prelude this way, instead of playing it fortississimo like anyone does, playing it rallentando and with a rubato just before the final arpeggios make it sound so smoothly powerful^^
I'm reading the comments and I can't restraint myself from saying: ¡This suite is not so simple! It might not be difficult to play, but if you go to study the harmonic structure, the construction of the melodies (that often combine two or three independent and implicit lines) or the multiple options in fingering, phrasing and dynamics, it is in fact a music of notable complexity. It is one of the reasons of Bach's greatness: he is never simpler, even when it seems simple.
The first suite is a paradox: Technicaly, it is by far the easiest suite to get through, but I think it has been performed, played and recorded too many times. When you go to perform this in public, you always think that everyone in the audience have heard this piece of music a thousand of times, performed in a thousand different ways by a thousand of brilliant cellists...and, for sure, everyone have his particular favorite recording. All this makes this suite a risky performing option.
Anner Bylsma ist der einzige Hero, welcher sich uneitel in den Dienst des Meisterwerkes stellt, also nicht der Gefahr verfällt, schnell-hohle Virtuosen-Kost abzuliefern, das kann er auch. Ganz locker. Högschten Reschpekt! Noch ein Cello-Tip: Peter Wöpke, Slawa-Schüler (Rostropovich)!
Exactly where I heard it lol :) I'd heard it before without knowing the name- and looked it up when I saw it in La Corda- I love it! Have to say I much profer the slow interpretations to the fast ones.
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wow i would not want to play this suite on a baroque cello i mean i know its ment for it but i sway sooo much when i play this i would probably drop it or something haha
I recorded this same Suite in this very same church-back in 1999! I had no idea Bylsma recorded this in this gem of a little church. (This is the church where JS Bach was married in 1707 to Maria Barbara). Thank you for posting this!
I suggest anyone anyone reading this to listen to the Gigue from the same suite. After hearing the Prelude 110 times, the Gigue (and really the entire suite) is unbelievable!
Esta obra es simplemente maravillosa, tiene la virtud de trasnportame a un mundo de tranquilidad, pero a la vez de incertidumbre, es una mezcla de sentimientos indescriptible, por lo menos eso es lo que logra en mi...
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It is true; the CD one is better, terse, doomed and designate to prevaricate while this one is rather human and friendly like forgiveness juxtaposed to milieu of the ambience surrounding Anner.
And somehow I got thumbed down for saying it was a piece of cake picking up a cello after having 3 and a half year guitar experience.
Thumbing that down is simply denial, how could you decide wether I found it hard or not to pick up a cello?
It is very simple, when you got more experience with other stringed instruments you DO have a more easy entrance to playing a new stringed instrument...
Or are you people saying Cello goes above that, that it is somehow to good for other inttruments? plz.
yes man, i'm very sorry for my answer i sincerely apologize for that. shame on me.
I just dont like to see such expirienced and educated cellist been disqualified that easy (Rostropovitch ) he's not my favorite for this piece either but i'm shure there's a lot to learn from him....please PLEASE FORGIVE ME ( by the way...have you listen to Fournier version ? )
I certainly did not mean to disqualify Rostropovitch, a cellist whose talent and career is nothing short of legendary...though I suppose my initial comment was rather disrespectful, and for that I apologize.
So, apology accepted :)
I have not heard Fournier's interpretation...I shall try to find it on youtube.
I wonder why every cellist on Youtube plays this piece in a lavish mansion whilst wearing a suit?? I'm looking forward to seeing it played in a council flat by a hairy-arsed biker wearing a string vest and "HATE" tattoed across his knuckles! If you're out there mate, get recording! This is a lovely version though.
Are mansions equipped with altars and baptismal fonts? Surely this cellist is not playing in a "lavish mansion." The beginning of the video identifies the location of the performance as a church (St. Bartholomew's).
This music was for the resonant chambers at the court of Prince Leopold of Anhalt-Coethen. A church or a "lavish mansion" could emulate the acoustics of princely chambers.
all i have to say..is it maybe easy to play now...but could u have thought of it?.could you have expressed the emotion and thought in such a beautiful manner...hahah prolly not right and if u can wheres u classical masterpiece;its always a pleasure hearing this no matter what...=)
I just got this piece today, and it's bloody hard! Even thought I've been playing for 3 years, The bowing and fingerings make it a difficult piece! Good luck to anyone else who is starting it!
While this piece is definitly not an exemple of a very advanced or highly technical piece, it is clearly not a begginner piece. It is full of subilities and its balance is hard to obtain.
Unless you are a master-to-be, your interpretation was either incomplete or terrible and probably both.
I'm not saying this with any animosity though, I have seen fairly advanced cellists do a mediocre job on this piece that, and you are right there, looks deceivingly simple.
I'm not going to say this piece simple, because I know it is quite hard... Even to simply memorize everything is a struggle and playing it is even harder.
I'm just saying that when you are at a certain level, something gets expected from you. And I simply prefer Rostropovich' interpretation of this song. As I see it, Rostropovich' interpretation of this song is superior.
This piece is simple (although that is one of its challenges), technically it is easy, memorising it should take a few hours at the very most - any cellist will agree with me. So, to place yourself in a position where you rate Slava above Bylsma is hardly credible.
This piece is hard to learn but hard to completely master. I've been playing for almost 6 years now, I'm about to get a professional instrument myself. Your statement broadcasts your ignorance of expression. To make a piece sound beautiful, you pour your heart into it. Memorizing the notes of a piece is different than memorizing the song itself. Every musician that has, and will, play this piece will play it differently than anyone else. This is one of many interpretations, not the "right" one.
@XiaoClone Agreed! If everybody just played the cello suites exactly how they are written and played every 16th note as a 16th, and slurred all the exact same notes, it would all sound the same and be pretty boring. Thanks for some quality insight.
(I still find it awkward that people thumb me down for my personal experience. Seems like retardation to me).
This song is hard for me to memorise, probably just because I got a bad memory overall, so I especially have a hard time to memorise this.
All I just want to clear out is that when you got experience with other stringed instruments you, understand the position of the tones on the fingerboard. (Even though the tuning is different).
this is glorious.... ever cellist in the world knows this piece, and because it is Bach it is possible to play it successfully in a plethora of ways... but Bylsma is always posessed of the best... D*** why did he retire?
He's playing a baroque cello, it has no endpin...the baroque cello is supposed to show how it might have actually been played during Bach's time. mmm, i love being nerdy 0.o
If one person is playing it they can bring out the two sides of this song, the fast water-like baroque aspect or the lamentful slow aspect, its either or the other.
Yes it is terrible, it's such a boring and uninspired performance. It has none of the qualities that real cellists like Rostro or Tortellier bring to the piece.
The idea that we should strive to emulate the performances of the baroque era when playing baroque music strikes me both as silly and outmoded. Here the results are simply not up to standard and do not do justice to Bach who stood out as great among his contemporaries and is still adored precisely because his music transcends the time at which it was written. Poor fools who follow the path Bylsma has taken with dire results!
When I listen to all the absolutely amazing, unbelievably beautiful playing and singing of Medieval, Renaissance and Baroque music by these "followers of the path that Bylsma has taken", I don't care that much whether it's "authentic" or not, I just want more! (it's obvious that you don't listen to early music, only to these late baroque composers: Bach, Handel and Vivaldi. Not even to Purcell. You're ignorant in the subject and don't even care for the music).
what's with the B at 2:13? it's an A# in every other interpretation I've listened to, except for this one and casals'. (and this one midi file nonetheless, which I used for extracting the sheet music)
not that one, the note right after c#. By the way I've recently read that, it actually is a B flat in the original Magdalena Manuscript. I don't know what has changed that in modern interpretations. honestly I prefer the latter, for what it's worth..
I prefer the B natural - more introverted (also puts that note in the context of the preceding phrase and doesn't "glue" it to the C# that's left suspended in the upper voice only to be taken again in 2:17).
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to change your asthetics, or even argue about the 'authentic' question. I'm just warning you: think twice before accusing a Casals competition winner of having no technics, if you have any idea what it takes to win such a thing.
violashizzle, I for myself, when other people find something very good while I find it ugly, I would first try looking for a reason before I begin to tear off a interpretation into pieces.
I'm cellist, actually I'm proud to say that I'm pupil of Angelika May, one of the last pupils of Casals, I know how incredible and deep Casals' interpretation of bach is.
Just: no matter how deep Casals understood the barock aspects of Bach(he had fabulous understanding of the barock style), to his time it was impossible to perform it in 'the barock' way because of the lack of knowledge of barock practice. So everything sounded like a incredibly well played piece played on the piano, but originally written for harpsicord.
Just: no matter how deep Casals understood the barock aspects of Bach(he had fabulous understanding of the barock style), to his time it was impossible to perform it in 'the barock' way because of the lack of knowledge of barock practice. So everything sounded like a incredibly well played piece played on the piano, but originally written for harpsicord.
Don't get me wrong: I'm not trying to change your aesthetics, nor I want to argue over the question what is 'authentic' and what way one has to go as artist. (personally I believe there will be no better way to play Rachmaninov than the way Rachmaninov played himself)
I'm just warning you: think twice before accusing a Casals competition winner of having no technic. If you have any idea what it takes to be done.
I don't understand why anyone would refer to Bylsma as a "genius" he has little command of the instrument nor does he have artistry. Few of his public concert performances have been great in the least and finally he doesn't play anymore simply because even the paltry technique he once possesed has faded.
That's rather interesting. I was absolutely captivated myself when I first heard this. It's the most totally controlled and gorgeous performance I've ever heard of any solo Bach. It makes Rostropovich and all the others look like fools.
It's true our appreciation of music is subjective and conditioned to the utmost by what we have become used to hearing. The thing i dislike most about Bylsma runs deeper than just the playing. It's the ideology of "authenticity" and "the right way of playing Bach" that he seems to represent for himself and so many others. I don't believe in a right way to play Bach there are millions of right ways.
So what? I think it's a bullshit ideology as well. His playing is still fantastic. That's what matters to me. It's important not to dislike musicians for their ideas. Even ones related to the final product. We probably would have hated Beethoven in person.(And let's just omit Wagner and Jean-baptiste Lully :)
Damn. I can never follow reinforcement for a point correctly. *kicks can*
As I have already stated i don't think his playing is fantastic. I think the tone is ugly and uncoloured and that his phrasing is so fragmented and strange that it seems meaningless to me. The recording that captivates me the most of this prelude remains Casals because of the swinging quality he brings to the rhythm and the long lines he creates by building and releasing tension. Bylsma fails utterly in this respect to my mind.
I find it interesting that you don't like Casals. If you compare Rostropovich, Bylmsa, Tortelier and Harnoncourt with Casals for example you will find that Casals recording is the odd one out. It sounds more distant than any of the modern recordings to each other such as Rostro and Bylsma who are thought of as opposites. Casal's style is truly different but precedes from a different ideology of music making.
I just listened to Casals again. Better than I remember, actually. It's odd though. Casals was the one who was noted for always trying to put emotion into it, but it feels much more like sonic sculpture.
For example, I find the way he "rounds" the ending of the phrase at the end of 0:52 before the modulation phrase into the minor beautiful (he subtly preconceives the modulation. Very elegant).
And by "stop them from ever happening again" you must mean kill all musical and artistic expression and don't listen to what a different artist then those you're used to has to offer, miss it completely, let it go over you're head, pretend that you already know all that there is to know and that everything that's new to you is simply wrong a-priory and unjustifiable.
Tank's. Not as angry anymore. Some people are just unaware of the fact that they know some pieces by J.S.Bach and G.F.Handel from the page and from performances of a few great musicians - who play them with a heavy post-romantic and modern "accent" - doesn't make them lovers, appreciators or experts in early music who care much for it in the first place, and therefore that they are not at all in a position to criticize.
They're like people who spend their lives sitting with their backs to the exit of a cave, taking the shadows projected from outside to be the entire world (of music) and mocking anyone who's been outside and tells them that they're wrong.
I can tell you he's not trying to do much at all with the suites. If you ever try reading his book on the suites it makes little coherent sense. He has some covoluded "motivic theories" and very strange ideas about cello sound. Mix it all together and you get both a boring and a senseless interpretation.
The sudden tempo increase is due to that section of the piece being like a soloist's free, "improvisatory" cadenza (like in many keyboard works such as Toccatas for example). Anyway, you have to understand that this is a separate section where the music radically changes, however you choose to approach it and whatever you make of it.
Casals not only pioneered performing them in concert but stuck to many of the original bowings from the anna magdelena manuscript..which Bylsma was supposedly the "first" to do...Let's not forget that he's using Casals' bowing technique since Casals pioneered playing with the right arm away from the body. Let everyone who wants to do "period" cello performance try playing with their right elbow stuck to their torso, should make for some entertaining results!
What down right awful playing. Utterly sterile. I don't understand why anyone likes Bylsma given his total lack of technical control of any kind. His interpretations seem superficial. I think Casals would probably have to be considered the greatest of the recordings of the Bach suites.
As a cellist owning about 20 different recordings of bach suites, I can tell u the last recording of Bylisma (with the godly Servais Strad) is the only one u need when it comes down to it. Just try it out.
bylsma destroys?!!he is a genius,and there no more trully passionate and free version than this one,passion is just not the same for an 18th century man as it is for a 20th century man...and thank god for that.there is no such thing as authentic,it just sounds better.get an education!
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Anner Bylsma and his kind have done more to destroy musical taste and sensibility in the last 30 years than we can imagine. This kind of playing is intolerably awful both for the low technical level of playing sound and intonation wise and the unmusical and anti-dramatic/anti-emotional conception of music that is espoused by these so-called "authentics.
the best people in my opinion playing the bach suites are Paul Tortelier and Pierre Fournier( there are infinetly many) but if you want I can give other names
Very insightful comment, i'm sorry so many people don't understand what you are talking about but i feel the pedantry of such player's as Bylsma and their lack of sensual and emotional connection to music are destroying the modern concert experience and contributing to the pedantry of modern performance in general. Thank you for being so brave to state your point!
I have maybe 6 or 7 sets of the bach cello suites but don't like to admit it. Anner Bylsma's recording on the cello piccolo dances around the rest including the above recording which, in comparison, sounds lugubrious perhaps since it was played on a modern instrument.
Thanks for posting. I have had my eye on Bylsma's interpretation of the solo Bach. And now to see it done - what a pleasure! Could you post more by this artist?
His playing is a communication with an old intelligence .
hongyimo 4 months ago
look Ma! No endpin! (no pun intended) This is the way he plays.
TheBlueeyedJew 4 months ago
@TheBlueeyedJew Viola de gambas didn't have endpins
Jangof3tt 3 months ago
@Jangof3tt this appears to be a standard cello- Bylsma seldom, if ever used an endpin. The lower bouts of this instrument appear too narrow to be a gamba. I also do not count the number of pegs in the scroll for this to be a gamba. If it is anything other than a cello, it could be a rare find like the violoncello piccolo.
TheBlueeyedJew 3 months ago
Bylsma is the epitome of Baroque cello. I don't think anyone plays baroque better/ Slava rocks the hardcore s*** like Dvorak and Tchaikovsky IMO.
TheBlueeyedJew 4 months ago
gorgeous piece
nutsocket 7 months ago
bravissimo, perfect speed and interpretation and sound!
unagondolaunremo 1 year ago
Bylsma tocca sempre il mio cuore. Bravissimo.
amantemusica3 1 year ago
we may never know bach's real intentions, but i can bet my life that bach would never approve of 2:55. imagine it was a keyboard piece, that kind of musicality would be more quickly exposed as nonsensical. on a string instrument you can get away with more, because there is a more detailed timbre and palate of color. Not that it matters IMO, but pretending to know the mind of bach IS the spirit of this fashionable movement
dkurgano 1 year ago 3
@dkurgano Don't you bet your life too quickly, man you may die, for this man knows bach better than you know yourself
quentinexus 1 year ago
@quentinexus this man does for bach what 'the sound of music' did for hills. but we're all entitled to our opinions, arent we!
dkurgano 1 year ago
@dkurgano It's not a matter of opinion, because you can't say that bach would not have approved the ending, while bylsma is THE specialist of Bach's cello playing
quentinexus 1 year ago
@dkurgano and by the way, it makes so muche sense to end this prelude this way, instead of playing it fortississimo like anyone does, playing it rallentando and with a rubato just before the final arpeggios make it sound so smoothly powerful^^
quentinexus 1 year ago
I've been searching for a version of the Prelude played at this tempo!!
It's nice when played to speed, but when its done this slowly... it's peaceful, romantic, and sad.
Commonwealth96 1 year ago
"the master"! PERIOD!
andrematarazzo 1 year ago
I'm reading the comments and I can't restraint myself from saying: ¡This suite is not so simple! It might not be difficult to play, but if you go to study the harmonic structure, the construction of the melodies (that often combine two or three independent and implicit lines) or the multiple options in fingering, phrasing and dynamics, it is in fact a music of notable complexity. It is one of the reasons of Bach's greatness: he is never simpler, even when it seems simple.
dion82 1 year ago 2
The first suite is a paradox: Technicaly, it is by far the easiest suite to get through, but I think it has been performed, played and recorded too many times. When you go to perform this in public, you always think that everyone in the audience have heard this piece of music a thousand of times, performed in a thousand different ways by a thousand of brilliant cellists...and, for sure, everyone have his particular favorite recording. All this makes this suite a risky performing option.
dion82 1 year ago
yes!... great playing,thanks for posting!
strangerheart 1 year ago
Bylsma for ever!!!
MyZenzero 1 year ago 4
Hammergeil, den Mut zur Langsamkeit muss man erst einmal aufbringen!!!!!!!
Hochmusikalisch und hier ohne Vergleich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anner, you are Cello(God).
nisanus 1 year ago
Anner Bylsma ist der einzige Hero, welcher sich uneitel in den Dienst des Meisterwerkes stellt, also nicht der Gefahr verfällt, schnell-hohle Virtuosen-Kost abzuliefern, das kann er auch. Ganz locker. Högschten Reschpekt! Noch ein Cello-Tip: Peter Wöpke, Slawa-Schüler (Rostropovich)!
nisanus 1 year ago
Me gusta mucho mas la interpretación de Rostropvich.
q1q2qwewadbhbvv 1 year ago
the strad he plays on is now on exibit at the smithsonian
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giubin286 1 year ago
rallenty?
giubin286 1 year ago
After hearing it on La Corda De D'oro i completely fell in love with this song <3
-Elly
TAangROxs 2 years ago
Exactly where I heard it lol :) I'd heard it before without knowing the name- and looked it up when I saw it in La Corda- I love it! Have to say I much profer the slow interpretations to the fast ones.
elevown 2 years ago
This interpretation is an example of "heavy water" as Paul Tortelier puts it in the bach video.
ralph961 2 years ago
Lorsqu' Anner Bylsma joue. C'est ça le bonheur; lorsqu' Anner Bylsma joue.
fearification 2 years ago
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wow i would not want to play this suite on a baroque cello i mean i know its ment for it but i sway sooo much when i play this i would probably drop it or something haha
nic100389 2 years ago
I recorded this same Suite in this very same church-back in 1999! I had no idea Bylsma recorded this in this gem of a little church. (This is the church where JS Bach was married in 1707 to Maria Barbara). Thank you for posting this!
DrNDJas 2 years ago 4
wow, i saw this video long time ago, and i remember that i didnt like how he plays it,
but now im listening to this and i really like it,
Cayo255 2 years ago
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I think Rostropovich plays it better. faster and with better pacing, intensity
solorfam 2 years ago
I disagree that Rostropovich plays it better. I do think that Rostropovich honors himself more than Bach when playing the suites.
celloWiz10 2 years ago 18
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Enix5548 2 years ago
Ironically, the reason Rostropovich recorded Bach so late in his age was to show what Bach was capable of, not himself...
Enix5548 2 years ago 2
it is not better, is different!
jarabass 2 years ago 3
I think the slower version of this song is better cause its kind of more relaxing in that way. But that's just me.-Elly
TAangROxs 2 years ago 2
It isnt easy at all they only SAY tha this Suite is the easiest from the Bach Suites
DiegoMa13 2 years ago
Simply wonderful!
Thanks very much for sharing this video.
5 stars and a fav!
OrchestradiMandolini 2 years ago 4
I suggest anyone anyone reading this to listen to the Gigue from the same suite. After hearing the Prelude 110 times, the Gigue (and really the entire suite) is unbelievable!
C33Four 2 years ago
muyy lindoo
marquitospincha97 2 years ago
Esta obra es simplemente maravillosa, tiene la virtud de trasnportame a un mundo de tranquilidad, pero a la vez de incertidumbre, es una mezcla de sentimientos indescriptible, por lo menos eso es lo que logra en mi...
tato4527 2 years ago
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It is true; the CD one is better, terse, doomed and designate to prevaricate while this one is rather human and friendly like forgiveness juxtaposed to milieu of the ambience surrounding Anner.
stickom 3 years ago
HEAVENLY
AlamoCityCello 3 years ago
incredibile, sorprendente: i like very much that it is no fast as so many interpratations
unagondolaunremo 3 years ago
This version is great.. the faster version - shit :)
alldini 3 years ago
You want the cello? You can't handle the cello.
Celloman4044 3 years ago
And somehow I got thumbed down for saying it was a piece of cake picking up a cello after having 3 and a half year guitar experience.
Thumbing that down is simply denial, how could you decide wether I found it hard or not to pick up a cello?
It is very simple, when you got more experience with other stringed instruments you DO have a more easy entrance to playing a new stringed instrument...
Or are you people saying Cello goes above that, that it is somehow to good for other inttruments? plz.
Thundermaned 3 years ago
This is such a refreshing break from the robotic interpretations that are all over youtube (coughrostropovichcough).
Sigh. I wish I could play at this level.
SlyFox616 3 years ago
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euryanteus 3 years ago
LoL. Touched a nerve, didn't I?
SlyFox616 3 years ago
yes man, i'm very sorry for my answer i sincerely apologize for that. shame on me.
I just dont like to see such expirienced and educated cellist been disqualified that easy (Rostropovitch ) he's not my favorite for this piece either but i'm shure there's a lot to learn from him....please PLEASE FORGIVE ME ( by the way...have you listen to Fournier version ? )
euryanteus 3 years ago
I certainly did not mean to disqualify Rostropovitch, a cellist whose talent and career is nothing short of legendary...though I suppose my initial comment was rather disrespectful, and for that I apologize.
So, apology accepted :)
I have not heard Fournier's interpretation...I shall try to find it on youtube.
SlyFox616 3 years ago 2
I wonder why every cellist on Youtube plays this piece in a lavish mansion whilst wearing a suit?? I'm looking forward to seeing it played in a council flat by a hairy-arsed biker wearing a string vest and "HATE" tattoed across his knuckles! If you're out there mate, get recording! This is a lovely version though.
cmagicroundabout 3 years ago
Are mansions equipped with altars and baptismal fonts? Surely this cellist is not playing in a "lavish mansion." The beginning of the video identifies the location of the performance as a church (St. Bartholomew's).
This music was for the resonant chambers at the court of Prince Leopold of Anhalt-Coethen. A church or a "lavish mansion" could emulate the acoustics of princely chambers.
wcbroccoli 3 years ago
I hadn't thought about the acoustics. I don't suppose a council flat would offer the same quality of sound. Ah well, we live and learn.
cmagicroundabout 3 years ago
Perhaps if the flat had uncarpeted hardwood floors, high ceilings and minimal upholstery and draperies...:)
wcbroccoli 3 years ago
I LOVE THIS SONG
alldini 3 years ago
i enjoy the fact that he slowed down...really allows one to concentrate and take it all in...awesome my props to him,,
Metal999esm 3 years ago
all i have to say..is it maybe easy to play now...but could u have thought of it?.could you have expressed the emotion and thought in such a beautiful manner...hahah prolly not right and if u can wheres u classical masterpiece;its always a pleasure hearing this no matter what...=)
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lol the man looked like he was dieing, all I can say is: FASTER!!!!! Rostropovich owns his interpretation.
Thundermaned 3 years ago
learn about baroque style and then post here, Anner Bylsma is one of the great baroque players.
pumpingfrancisco 3 years ago 2
fair enough.
Thundermaned 3 years ago
Beautiful!!! Anner Bylsma was one of the first who started to play Bach cello suites with barroco style!!! thanks!! beautiful sound
Natalejo 3 years ago
Its all in the music and not the technique that counts with this great exponent of Baroque music
mstuartg 3 years ago
I've said it once and I'll say it again: bring us more Bylsma!
mimfri 3 years ago 2
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too slow ! he is forgetting harmony
anisometropie 3 years ago
andante cantabile
awesome
BlueJazzyClassic 3 years ago
I just got this piece today, and it's bloody hard! Even thought I've been playing for 3 years, The bowing and fingerings make it a difficult piece! Good luck to anyone else who is starting it!
I love it though, its just very hard.
Squidgy3 3 years ago 2
For the cello, three years is really nothing.
rolfeder 3 years ago 2
i play the cello for six months and i'm studying this piece, but only the prelude, its not so hard...
just pratice =p
snakegi 3 years ago
I agree, I play 3 years guitar for now, and I've picked up a cello once, and it was a piece of cake.
Thundermaned 3 years ago
Yeah right.
While this piece is definitly not an exemple of a very advanced or highly technical piece, it is clearly not a begginner piece. It is full of subilities and its balance is hard to obtain.
Unless you are a master-to-be, your interpretation was either incomplete or terrible and probably both.
I'm not saying this with any animosity though, I have seen fairly advanced cellists do a mediocre job on this piece that, and you are right there, looks deceivingly simple.
gpahdnon 3 years ago
I'm not going to say this piece simple, because I know it is quite hard... Even to simply memorize everything is a struggle and playing it is even harder.
I'm just saying that when you are at a certain level, something gets expected from you. And I simply prefer Rostropovich' interpretation of this song. As I see it, Rostropovich' interpretation of this song is superior.
Thundermaned 3 years ago 2
This piece is simple (although that is one of its challenges), technically it is easy, memorising it should take a few hours at the very most - any cellist will agree with me. So, to place yourself in a position where you rate Slava above Bylsma is hardly credible.
ulyssesjj 2 years ago
This piece is hard to learn but hard to completely master. I've been playing for almost 6 years now, I'm about to get a professional instrument myself. Your statement broadcasts your ignorance of expression. To make a piece sound beautiful, you pour your heart into it. Memorizing the notes of a piece is different than memorizing the song itself. Every musician that has, and will, play this piece will play it differently than anyone else. This is one of many interpretations, not the "right" one.
XiaoClone 2 years ago 16
@XiaoClone Agreed! If everybody just played the cello suites exactly how they are written and played every 16th note as a 16th, and slurred all the exact same notes, it would all sound the same and be pretty boring. Thanks for some quality insight.
phi223 1 year ago
Since you find it so easy, you should record Kodály Op.8 or Prokoviev Concertante so the other idiots who find it tricky can get a master class...
ulyssesjj 2 years ago
My point rather about relativation.
(I still find it awkward that people thumb me down for my personal experience. Seems like retardation to me).
This song is hard for me to memorise, probably just because I got a bad memory overall, so I especially have a hard time to memorise this.
All I just want to clear out is that when you got experience with other stringed instruments you, understand the position of the tones on the fingerboard. (Even though the tuning is different).
Thundermaned 2 years ago
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He makes it SOUND exemplary. Of course with Bach you can't have exemplary interpretations!
BesACB 3 years ago
What you mean is, he IS exemplary, but there's no need to take him as a model. I agree!
IpsaPaphum 3 years ago
this is glorious.... ever cellist in the world knows this piece, and because it is Bach it is possible to play it successfully in a plethora of ways... but Bylsma is always posessed of the best... D*** why did he retire?
PTCello 3 years ago
my teacher has a Boraque cello that was made back then, and it has been passed down throughout the years. it is freakin' insane
namp123 3 years ago
ииууууу
bzyakalka 3 years ago
He's playing a baroque cello, it has no endpin...the baroque cello is supposed to show how it might have actually been played during Bach's time. mmm, i love being nerdy 0.o
w6d2c2 3 years ago 2
its called boroque look it up
justinomvp 4 years ago
He holds his cello very high with his calves. I wonder why...?
jonathantosio 4 years ago
i don't think it's that he's hold it up high, but that his little stand on the bottom of the cello is long, if anything
cambethell 3 years ago
simply magic !
chkxdv 4 years ago
ı thınk that its performance is higly ....
drgrath 4 years ago
i think that its interesting how some play this slow and some play it fast
morthnamemry 4 years ago
i agree...but i believe this song is meant to be played slowly...like many other bach songs
staircapades 4 years ago
If one person is playing it they can bring out the two sides of this song, the fast water-like baroque aspect or the lamentful slow aspect, its either or the other.
Shadowtech666 4 years ago
hmm sounds right
but it might just be because you used a lot of smart words xD
*unlike all the rest of youtube =o
staircapades 4 years ago
Abslutely Good.I like this way. it is great music.
CCKTing 4 years ago
ZZZZZZZZZZZZ
elgatosucio 4 years ago
Yes, but in a good way.
Ramatganski 4 years ago
Yes it is terrible, it's such a boring and uninspired performance. It has none of the qualities that real cellists like Rostro or Tortellier bring to the piece.
hbcapp 4 years ago
Change it to "hbcRapp". Or get a mind of your own and don't call "real cellists" only those who you were so artificially brought to consider as such.
Before you counter-attack please prove to me your basic understanding of this piece by generally describing it's structure.
(can you at least say how many minor key (dark, if you like) episodes there are in it?)
Ramatganski 4 years ago
The idea that we should strive to emulate the performances of the baroque era when playing baroque music strikes me both as silly and outmoded. Here the results are simply not up to standard and do not do justice to Bach who stood out as great among his contemporaries and is still adored precisely because his music transcends the time at which it was written. Poor fools who follow the path Bylsma has taken with dire results!
cigulka 4 years ago
When I listen to all the absolutely amazing, unbelievably beautiful playing and singing of Medieval, Renaissance and Baroque music by these "followers of the path that Bylsma has taken", I don't care that much whether it's "authentic" or not, I just want more! (it's obvious that you don't listen to early music, only to these late baroque composers: Bach, Handel and Vivaldi. Not even to Purcell. You're ignorant in the subject and don't even care for the music).
Ramatganski 4 years ago
Honestly, you don't know what you're talking about to such extent that you really piss me off!
A whole world of great music making, inspiring and full of insight is violently bad mouthed by a vulgar ignorant bully.
Behave!
Ramatganski 4 years ago
what's with the B at 2:13? it's an A# in every other interpretation I've listened to, except for this one and casals'. (and this one midi file nonetheless, which I used for extracting the sheet music)
is that the way it's actually supposed to be?
esuvari 4 years ago
This doesn't sound at all strange to me...
And the note is C-sharp at 2:13.
Hopfensperger 4 years ago
not that one, the note right after c#. By the way I've recently read that, it actually is a B flat in the original Magdalena Manuscript. I don't know what has changed that in modern interpretations. honestly I prefer the latter, for what it's worth..
esuvari 4 years ago
sorry I meant it's B "natural" in the original manuscript.
esuvari 4 years ago
I think you're right. Rostropovich plays a B flat (or A#) after the C# too..
ploerr 4 years ago
I prefer the B natural - more introverted (also puts that note in the context of the preceding phrase and doesn't "glue" it to the C# that's left suspended in the upper voice only to be taken again in 2:17).
Ramatganski 4 years ago
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to change your asthetics, or even argue about the 'authentic' question. I'm just warning you: think twice before accusing a Casals competition winner of having no technics, if you have any idea what it takes to win such a thing.
emilation11 4 years ago
violashizzle, I for myself, when other people find something very good while I find it ugly, I would first try looking for a reason before I begin to tear off a interpretation into pieces.
I'm cellist, actually I'm proud to say that I'm pupil of Angelika May, one of the last pupils of Casals, I know how incredible and deep Casals' interpretation of bach is.
emilation11 4 years ago
Just: no matter how deep Casals understood the barock aspects of Bach(he had fabulous understanding of the barock style), to his time it was impossible to perform it in 'the barock' way because of the lack of knowledge of barock practice. So everything sounded like a incredibly well played piece played on the piano, but originally written for harpsicord.
emilation11 4 years ago
Just: no matter how deep Casals understood the barock aspects of Bach(he had fabulous understanding of the barock style), to his time it was impossible to perform it in 'the barock' way because of the lack of knowledge of barock practice. So everything sounded like a incredibly well played piece played on the piano, but originally written for harpsicord.
emilation11 4 years ago
Don't get me wrong: I'm not trying to change your aesthetics, nor I want to argue over the question what is 'authentic' and what way one has to go as artist. (personally I believe there will be no better way to play Rachmaninov than the way Rachmaninov played himself)
I'm just warning you: think twice before accusing a Casals competition winner of having no technic. If you have any idea what it takes to be done.
emilation11 4 years ago
LOL Jon
I agree with Jon.
Jax560 4 years ago
People can't appreciate good bach... thanks bylsma!
At his time, his interpretation was revolutionary. While he's not a baroque specialist, he does a fantastic job in showing his understanding.
Anyone who disagrees go play viola.
jonathantosio 4 years ago
I don't understand why anyone would refer to Bylsma as a "genius" he has little command of the instrument nor does he have artistry. Few of his public concert performances have been great in the least and finally he doesn't play anymore simply because even the paltry technique he once possesed has faded.
violashizzle 4 years ago
That's rather interesting. I was absolutely captivated myself when I first heard this. It's the most totally controlled and gorgeous performance I've ever heard of any solo Bach. It makes Rostropovich and all the others look like fools.
But then music is subjective, eh? :)
sonata1992 4 years ago
It's true our appreciation of music is subjective and conditioned to the utmost by what we have become used to hearing. The thing i dislike most about Bylsma runs deeper than just the playing. It's the ideology of "authenticity" and "the right way of playing Bach" that he seems to represent for himself and so many others. I don't believe in a right way to play Bach there are millions of right ways.
violashizzle 4 years ago
So what? I think it's a bullshit ideology as well. His playing is still fantastic. That's what matters to me. It's important not to dislike musicians for their ideas. Even ones related to the final product. We probably would have hated Beethoven in person.(And let's just omit Wagner and Jean-baptiste Lully :)
Damn. I can never follow reinforcement for a point correctly. *kicks can*
sonata1992 4 years ago 2
As I have already stated i don't think his playing is fantastic. I think the tone is ugly and uncoloured and that his phrasing is so fragmented and strange that it seems meaningless to me. The recording that captivates me the most of this prelude remains Casals because of the swinging quality he brings to the rhythm and the long lines he creates by building and releasing tension. Bylsma fails utterly in this respect to my mind.
violashizzle 4 years ago
The first recording I ever heard of this is Casals, and I still can't find it in myself to like it.
sonata1992 4 years ago
I find it interesting that you don't like Casals. If you compare Rostropovich, Bylmsa, Tortelier and Harnoncourt with Casals for example you will find that Casals recording is the odd one out. It sounds more distant than any of the modern recordings to each other such as Rostro and Bylsma who are thought of as opposites. Casal's style is truly different but precedes from a different ideology of music making.
violashizzle 4 years ago
I just listened to Casals again. Better than I remember, actually. It's odd though. Casals was the one who was noted for always trying to put emotion into it, but it feels much more like sonic sculpture.
sonata1992 4 years ago
"...his phrasing is so fragmented and strange that it seems meaningless to me."
This proves your lack of ability to even judge the approach, interpretation and plying.
There is a clear, coherent vision in this performance, at least for me (and I'm not making this up, so much so that I suspect that you somewhat are).
In general atmospheric terms it can be said that this is a more autumn-ish vision of the music.
Ramatganski 4 years ago
For example, I find the way he "rounds" the ending of the phrase at the end of 0:52 before the modulation phrase into the minor beautiful (he subtly preconceives the modulation. Very elegant).
Ramatganski 4 years ago
If there are millions of ways, why do you want to kill him? Let it be!
lpmunich 3 years ago
On another thought, I'd wonder why one might call any performer a "genius"...heh. Silly classical musicians :)
sonata1992 4 years ago
Anner Byslma is a genius!!
He has my greatest respect of all living cellists.
anon264352 4 years ago
No.
No.
00000ppp 4 years ago
you couldn't be more right. Too terrible for words. NO NO and NO again, someone stop performances like this from ever happening again please!
violashizzle 4 years ago
What do you mean by "like these"?
And by "stop them from ever happening again" you must mean kill all musical and artistic expression and don't listen to what a different artist then those you're used to has to offer, miss it completely, let it go over you're head, pretend that you already know all that there is to know and that everything that's new to you is simply wrong a-priory and unjustifiable.
Ramatganski 4 years ago
I agree with your point... i have no words for such behavior...BIGOTRY is the closest i suppose.
PeriodinstrumentfaN 4 years ago
Tank's. Not as angry anymore. Some people are just unaware of the fact that they know some pieces by J.S.Bach and G.F.Handel from the page and from performances of a few great musicians - who play them with a heavy post-romantic and modern "accent" - doesn't make them lovers, appreciators or experts in early music who care much for it in the first place, and therefore that they are not at all in a position to criticize.
Ramatganski 4 years ago
They're like people who spend their lives sitting with their backs to the exit of a cave, taking the shadows projected from outside to be the entire world (of music) and mocking anyone who's been outside and tells them that they're wrong.
Ramatganski 4 years ago
"Too terrible for words" is you're way of thinking and approach to art and music -
Please stop this from ever happening again.
Ramatganski 4 years ago
I do not know what Bylsma is trying to do with the suites but I do not really like them.
Apalexpe 4 years ago
I can tell you he's not trying to do much at all with the suites. If you ever try reading his book on the suites it makes little coherent sense. He has some covoluded "motivic theories" and very strange ideas about cello sound. Mix it all together and you get both a boring and a senseless interpretation.
violashizzle 4 years ago
I would agree, do you play viola?
Apalexpe 4 years ago
Yes i indeed play the viola. I hope that doesn't detract from my commentary by having me viewed as an idiot because of the instrument i play.
violashizzle 4 years ago
bylsma ir the reference for Bach
toniucciomola 4 years ago
whoooa whats with the sudden tempo increase??
Violincrazy 4 years ago
The sudden tempo increase is due to that section of the piece being like a soloist's free, "improvisatory" cadenza (like in many keyboard works such as Toccatas for example). Anyway, you have to understand that this is a separate section where the music radically changes, however you choose to approach it and whatever you make of it.
Ramatganski 4 years ago
Wow, this is even more outta tune than my crappy version!
Violincrazy 4 years ago
Casals not only pioneered performing them in concert but stuck to many of the original bowings from the anna magdelena manuscript..which Bylsma was supposedly the "first" to do...Let's not forget that he's using Casals' bowing technique since Casals pioneered playing with the right arm away from the body. Let everyone who wants to do "period" cello performance try playing with their right elbow stuck to their torso, should make for some entertaining results!
violashizzle 4 years ago
What down right awful playing. Utterly sterile. I don't understand why anyone likes Bylsma given his total lack of technical control of any kind. His interpretations seem superficial. I think Casals would probably have to be considered the greatest of the recordings of the Bach suites.
violashizzle 4 years ago
As a cellist owning about 20 different recordings of bach suites, I can tell u the last recording of Bylisma (with the godly Servais Strad) is the only one u need when it comes down to it. Just try it out.
emilation11 4 years ago 3
beutiful!!!
sdthi 4 years ago
bylsma destroys?!!he is a genius,and there no more trully passionate and free version than this one,passion is just not the same for an 18th century man as it is for a 20th century man...and thank god for that.there is no such thing as authentic,it just sounds better.get an education!
guillaumepirard 4 years ago 3
i think his student tonya tomkins tops him.
01perkussion 4 years ago
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yo yo ma,pablo casals or rostropovich..or mayby even mischa maisky. the rest are poor in interpretational level
violaplayer1995 4 years ago
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Anner Bylsma and his kind have done more to destroy musical taste and sensibility in the last 30 years than we can imagine. This kind of playing is intolerably awful both for the low technical level of playing sound and intonation wise and the unmusical and anti-dramatic/anti-emotional conception of music that is espoused by these so-called "authentics.
cigulka 4 years ago
Indeed. Who would you recommend playing the Bach suites?
superflumia 4 years ago
the best people in my opinion playing the bach suites are Paul Tortelier and Pierre Fournier( there are infinetly many) but if you want I can give other names
Apalexpe 4 years ago
Very insightful comment, i'm sorry so many people don't understand what you are talking about but i feel the pedantry of such player's as Bylsma and their lack of sensual and emotional connection to music are destroying the modern concert experience and contributing to the pedantry of modern performance in general. Thank you for being so brave to state your point!
violashizzle 4 years ago
Kind of different interpretation.
Zurugudulio 4 years ago
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very nice ..but look for improvised version on vid:
"bach sarabande jazz guitar" and you ll be astonished..
:-) !
doublearejazz 4 years ago
I meant: a special topic about Anner Bylsma is in "KangaeruHito" ((Japanese magazine, by Shinchosha).
mixifuji 4 years ago
Thank you for this clip. I enjoyed it. Now, a special topic in the magazine "KangaeruHito" 2007 Summer Edition, Shinchosha.
mixifuji 4 years ago
I have maybe 6 or 7 sets of the bach cello suites but don't like to admit it. Anner Bylsma's recording on the cello piccolo dances around the rest including the above recording which, in comparison, sounds lugubrious perhaps since it was played on a modern instrument.
richardstoller 4 years ago
Rostropovich's interpretation is my personal favorite, but this is fine, fine playing as well.
Noema130 4 years ago
siempre es un place, lastima que no haya tanto material como de otras "musicas"
kery68 4 years ago
Only one Anner Bylsma video on youtube so far. Thanks for posting!
amateurmisanthrope 4 years ago
Thanks for posting!
cronai 4 years ago
very interesting...
kenkim5 4 years ago
Great
ChristianJuergen 4 years ago
Thanks for posting. I have had my eye on Bylsma's interpretation of the solo Bach. And now to see it done - what a pleasure! Could you post more by this artist?
mimfri 4 years ago
Anner Bylsma at his best. Great stuff.
cellistoman 5 years ago