This is a WRONG example of home school!!!! And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Deuteronomy 6:7 This is despicable, and most of these people who are criticizing Christian Home Schoolers are 100% wrong, and have no EDUCATION.
I know it infringes on personal liberties a bit, but only people with a recognised degree in teaching should be allowed to home-school children of above kindergarten age. Even then the kids miss out on too much in the way of social interaction skills etc.
@dougyoolikeme Also, in regards to social interaction skills, I know many homeschoolers (myself included) who meet or exceed the social skills of traditionally educated students. In my experience, the socializing in public schools just teaches kids to follow peer pressure and not think for themselves.
@shamgar001 I was homeschooled.. There is usually a good reason why kids are homeschooled. I found more often then not, the homeschooled kids were very, very strange,and socially inept... The parents were just as strange.
@Johnf85 Most of them are only socially inept in the eyes of the public school system and the kids who go there who think confuse being having social skills with being 'cool' or whatever the mass media is indoctrinating kids with at the moment.
@lemsip Being "cool" or "popular" has nothing to do with social skills. I said nothing about the public school system I said in my eyes. The home schooled kids I've interacted with have syndromes that I would reasonably guess come from a lack of interaction, that you get from classrooms, lunchrooms, recess, etc. Good or bad experiences will yield usable value and force different cultures, and opinions on them. The only indoctrination is usually religious, and puts kids in a bubble.
@Johnf85 I've come across children who in the large primary and high schools where I live who have got in with a bad crowd because both class sizes and the schools are too large. When the kids broke up for the summer holidays in late July it was wayhem as they were letting off steam and by the end of August most of them they had calmed down somewhat. As soon as they were back in school the edginess returned when I encountered them on the way home from school and at weekends.
To continue. The home schooled kids with PD's or shyness would be like that anyway which is probably why they were taken out of school in the first place. Not all the home schooled kids have religious parents. I've come across kids in new age or eco intentional communities who are home schooled and a delight to be with as they come into close contact with other adults in the community which they see as aunts and uncles. They are free range children.
@Johnf85 Syndromes? Since when are personality traits called syndromes? I was home schooled, and yes I'm a quiet person but that's just my personality. In my high school years social interaction was limited but when I was younger, my siblings and I had ample opportunities for social interaction outside of home. Field trips aren't just for public school kids, you know. I have several public schooled friends who are more 'shy/anti-social/however anti-home school people want to say it' than I am.
@Johnf85 Cont...Now that I'm an adult and work with kids regularly, I can say from personal experience that home schooled kids are generally more enjoyable to be around. In general (there are rare exceptions) home school kids are not as obnoxious or disrespectful as public school kids. Home school kids are more apt to encourage other kids than to taunt and bully them. Why? Because they're taught respect at home, not given to the public school system for free childcare with little discipline.
@ShortStuff2187 Bullshit, I know for a fact that homeschool is fucked up. I was homeschooled and it totally fucked me up socially. I could barely talk to anyone my age. Fuck idiots and their homeschool, it should be fucking illegal.
@dougyoolikeme - Why? The main thing learned in gaining a "teaching certificate" is how to handle 30+ kids at a time. Most homeschoolers do not handle anywhere near that amount. BTW, one of the largest growing areas of folks that homeschool their students is teachers. When we started homeschooling, out of my husband's entire family, the only one that supported us was his SIL, a public middle school math teacher.
Unfortunately, in this country a lot of homeschooling parents and advocates and anti-public school folks DON'T follow all 4 of those rules, so I am fearful. Most homeschoolers, if I'm correct, are Christian conservatives who think things like "evolution is a myth" and believe in Creationism, right?
I would be all FOR having everyone homeschool their kids on a few main conditions: a) they don't indoctrinate their kids with any political beliefs (let them have their innocence), b) they don't indoctrinate kids with ANY religious or anti-religious beliefs (they should be allowed to make up their minds on belief systems when they come of age), c) don't use it as an excuse to cram anti-science nonsense down their throats and d) teach them to think critically.
@whoo689 You pretty much outlined four of the main things the Public Institutions of Indoctrination do NOT do. In a nation where everything is measured by a score card, it is humorous that we just don't let the testing scores settle this issue. Never gonna happen because the "Educational System" would be exposed for the anti-education farce it is. Do you think because someone doesn't believe in evolution they cannot understand science?? Have you heard of Isaac Newton?
@salmagnum It doesn't matter, lies are lies are lies are lies. Creation has no place in schools because it has no more evidence that it occured than we have for say, the world being sneezed out of some galactic jello monsters nose. If you can present evidence for it then by all means it will be taken more seriously and be taught in school, until then it's absurd as you'd have to teach every theory pulled out of random religion x's ass out of respect.
@salmagnum "Do you think because someone doesn't believe in evolution they cannot understand science?? " it means they cannot understand biology. "Have you heard of Isaac Newton?" you mean the physicist who was around way before evolutionary theory developed and was understood, sure. your point?
Lol well that was weird... but then, I'm not "in on" whatever their voting on. I AM a homeschooled teen and an A/B student tho, and I thought I was mildly funny. Maybe there are homeschooled "anti-social freaks" out there, and I've met a few, but I've met more kids out of public schools that I would classify as freaks. Poor kids. I have lots of friends who are homeschooled, and just as many who aren't. They're all awesome.
There is no "dark side" to homeschooling, the dark side is within the government schools.
Moreover, homeschooled children aren't victimized by the violent multi-culti nightmare that is bussed in from the inner cities designed to assuage liberal guilt.
I am replying about mixed children being in public schools. There are two black families and one Hispanic family in my home school association out of 20 families. For a small town in Southeast GA, this is phenomenal.
As far as feeling competent to teach my child, anything that I feel that we need help with can be remedied with a tutor. Also, the material is laid out for you to teach, so all you need is a dry-erase board, erasers, markers, and love.
Homeschooling is perfectly fine...as long as you are not indoctrinating your children and pushing bullshit down their throats. If you actually teach your children at home school, then you're doing a good job. But make sure you're teaching facts where you should be and opinions were they should be and not to get them mixed up.
Most especially in science. Where beliefs are irrelavent. And can get you in a lot of trouble if you allow them to corrupt raw data. Lying is not good, children.
@tskasa1 Just a reminder that evolution is still a theory and deserves to be taught as such. Many would say that Christianity is a theory; however, historically it can be backed up, as well as, through testimonies of people whose lives have been changed through a relationship with Him.
"Just a reminder that evolution is still a theory and deserves to be taught as such"
So is cell theory. And atomic theory. And ALL THREE forms of gravitational theory (Newtonian, Einsteinian, and Quantum). And Quantum Theory. And nuclear theory. And Relativity. Should I go on?
My point is that you seem to not understand what a scientific theory is.
@tskasa1 The definition of a theory is "a group of general propositions used as principles of explanation whose status is still conjectural". Darwinists explain the mysteries of the world through their world-view which is God-denying. Those who have opened their minds and hearts up to the knowledge of the True God explain the world through their knowledge of Him. Testimonies are the experiences of people with the supernatural that need no scientific verification- much like saying I'm in love.
Except that you're wrong. There are basically 2 kinds of theories: Philosophical Theories and Scientific Theories. Scientific Theories are supported by proof and proven before they can ever be a theory. That is what separates them from a hypothesis.
Some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature supported by facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena,"
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world. The theory of biological evolution is more than "just a theory.""
"It is as factual an explanation of the universe as the atomic theory of matter or the germ theory of disease. Our understanding of gravity is still a work in progress. But the phenomenon of gravity, like evolution, is an accepted fact"
And have also been proven to be extremely bias and prejudice on the part of the one giving the testimony. This is why hearsay or "I said so" does NOT qualify as evidence in science *even in a court of law, hears say and witnesses are the least preferable kind of evidence, much preferred would be a video or something).
A scientific theory is a certified fact that has withstood the peer reviewed literature process repeatedly. Evolution has done so for over 150 years.
"through testimonies of people whose lives have been changed through a relationship with Him."
Testimonies that would be, by nature, bias. Science does not accept hearsay as credible evidence. Most especially that which is easily prone to bias and prejudice that may distort the results.
I can see both sides of homeschooling, since I was homeschooled until my junior year, at which point I went to public school.
On the one hand, I wound up smarter than I would have.
On the other hand, I had really underdeveloped social skills (heck, I still do) and was...not really close but...nearing that point mentioned in this video. I had quite a bit of contempt for my parents and lashed out at them, which prompted sending me to public school.
I have no problem with home schooling and Christian parents teaching them what is in this video. I am Catholic. Recently we moved in next door to a family where 4 of the 6 kids are home schooled and are very strict Christians. What bothers me is, recently my daughter who is 9 who plays with their 9 year old daughter told me that the this little girl told her that her parents will not allow her in our home. What's up with that?? We always have had kids come in and out of our home.
@LaxDistributors Haved you ever asked her parents why or just invite her parents over to your home and let them get to know you or they may just have a problam with your type of religon
Just as there are good teachers and bad teachers; likewise with home schooling. My daughter went to public school. If she were still a kid, I would send her to a private school. The schools in my locale have deteriorated. Mostly inner city kids - gangs, drugs, crime, fights, etc. Some of my neighbors with small kids decided to move, because they couldn't afford private schooling. I'd personally be terrified to go back to the high school I graduated from. It changed that much.
@AceofDimonds0 That is like saying, "Just leave your infant on the side walk next to a busy road", since you can't keep them safe forever. That's a terrible attitude to have. We owe our children safety and with sexual predators stalking the streets it would be irresponsible to send them outside without proper supervision.
Ya this video doesn't make any sense to me either, and it sure puts a bad light on homeschoolers. It's still too touchy a subject for people sometimes. I'm not anal but a lot of people on both sides sure are.
@MaryStewart As a homeschooler, I highly disagree....my parents do an absolutely WONDERFUL job as teachers. And, it's not just my parents that rock, but all my other homeschool friends have amazing parents as well..........(TBC)
.....BUT, look at it from our point of view...I have heard not just from my public school friends, but those who actually TEACH in public school, that homeschooling will prepare us kids much, MUCH better for life and provide us with a better education. Thank you for being just another one of the annoying people out there who hate us.
Sincerely,
The 15-year-old who can talk to adults better than most other adults can themselves.
And none of you know me, so assume nothing when I say that kids in "Real School" learn less than what should be required culturally. Not only are they spoon fed they same garbage as every other under schieving zombie in the public schools, if youre smart, youre sent to a "nerd" class and labled an outcast, and thus its negative to be smart. As a homeschooler, I am held to the highest standarn on everything, and I learn the way I WANT to learn,
I, along with many friends, am homeschooled. We learn what we want, we graduate when we want, and we are amazingly socialized. THANK YOU for not being someone who judges before realizing that we do in fact, in most situations, have more of an education than others our age.
As someone who grew up in the public school system, I see many flaws and weaknesses. Especially being exposed to drugs, sex, and violence. I'd rather home school my children and involve them in activities with other children than send them to school. Parents have the right to home school their kids and the gov. is trying to take that away from us. We should all be concerned about gov. taking over our rights to teach our children.
You obviously know nothing about homeschooled kids because if you did, you would know that they tend to be smarter and have firmer values. When you home school children, there are programs to meet other children. Home schooled children have just as many friends as people who go to public schools. And why would I want my child to get "laid" while they are in school and not married? Can they support their "mistakes"? No, the parent would. You need to question your parent skills, not mine.
im homeschooled.. im a black belt in tkd. i can kick anybodys ass. plus i probably have more friends then you.I'm the captain of my varsity homeschool basketball team we travel all over the east coast (Maryland to Georgia)..and I have gotten some. sooo being homeschooled doesnt mean you can't be normal..and have a life
So cute that you've begun brainwashing your children at such a young age. I'm sure this video has had the effect you desired ant that millions of youtube viewers voted for 10 - whatever that maybe....
Better then being brainwashed by the state and government. Homeschool'ed kids usually maintain a keaner self-identity, and an individual desire to seek education, AND are usually much more open minded- then other kids. In fact, most homeschooled kids that I grew up with were usually inventing and doing electrical engineering in their basements at the age of 11. When I was 13, I was hired by a major contractor for Northrop Grumman as a webmaster. Never been brainwashed and can argue all sides.
I was homeschooled from 2nd grade through all of high school. Many of the kids I was homeschooled with were also brainwashed by the far right winged republican evangelists who believed they were raising their children for God. I was a radio host at the age of 15 for a national radio station. This does not change the fact that I lived with abusive parents who did not give me a proper education. Nor does it change that many of my friends who were homeschooled are openly against it as well.
So how do you know that they were brainwashed? How do you know these things... or is it, that now you just "believe" you were being brainwashed?
How do you know that you were not learning the truth, but then something else that you began to respect held an opposing belief... so you then melded your concern.
I am sure that alot of children who are not homeschooled are abused as well. I am sure that the majority of Republican Evangelists, do not homeschool there kids...
That's like asking me how I know that people who joined a cult were brainwashed. I know they and I were brainwashed because I lived it. Duh.
There are many terrible things that my parents did to me that I will not discuss here, and the fact that you are defending them in an effort to prove me wrong really does make me sick to my stomach.
I'm sure there are a lot of children who are homeschooled who aren't abused as well - however, I know that there is a majority of them who are.
I am deeply concerned about the lack of guidelines and laws when it comes to homeschooling, as it allows anyone to be able to homeschool their children. Think of it - the worst criminals have the ability and 'right' to homeschool their children. Many states have only recently put together a list of studies that must be taught if one is going to homeschool their children. Have you ever looked up unschooling? Now that is some scary stuff and yet, it is legal.
Oh - and one more thing, it is a fact that Republican Evangelicals are in the top percentage of those who homeschool their children. Homeschooling is very popular within the Christian community.
I've not just looked it up, I've studied it. It's not for me, but I've read interview after interview with college students who were unschooled and they're doing fine. Look, there are successful kids and unsuccessful kids in every learning environment. There's no evidence that one way is the best way for everyone. It all depends on the parents, really.
True but you DO have to pay for it and unless you are rich you can't afford private- or home schooling when you also have to pay for a public school that you don't even use.
It depends on the school. You don't have to be rich to afford private school. My nephew and niece went to a private school for a while, and their parents were far from being rich. Also, many private schools offer some type of scholarship, affordable payment plans, etc.
Yes, in fact, they are. Private and home school ARE options, which the government thankfully recognizes, but unfortunately they are only recognized as alternatives to public schooling, and the government tries hard to limit them as much as possible. If you don't send your kids to public school or prove to the government that you're using an "appropriate" alternative, you can be sent to prison. George Washington said the "Law is force", and this is as true here as anywhere else.
Again, I'm so sorry to hear about your childhood. But I assure you that there's no evidence that homeschooled kids are abused at higher rates than kids who go to school.
@nikkitoni01 From the bottom of my heart, I am sorry for what happened to you, but I was not home schooled and terrible things happened to me. I believe that there are cruel people in all walks of life and that home schooling had nothing to do with this. My father was very abusive and rarely spent any time interacting with me. Perhaps this is what enabled him to act this way- I don't know. I believe he was abused as an orphan who was cast around with no one wanting him.
I'm sorry to hear about your childhood. But certainly, the problem wasn't homeschooling, itself, but rather those doing the homeschooling. I'm a secular homeschooler myself, and only about a third of homeschooling parents say they do so for religious reasons. Thoughtful, caring parents are the key to a good childhood and education, no matter what path they take.
Evangelist right wingers also have kids in public school, and they do not turn into regular listeners of air america. The difference between school and not school is the difference between being forced to grown and learn and not being forced to grow and learn. An unschooled world would still have crazy folks, but a schooled world has an uncritical, obedient citizenry. Consider that you think coercion is necessary for growth and learning. That's insane... but you don't think so, do ya.
As a homeschooler since kindergarten, I can promise you I am ten times more 'cultured' and educated than anyone in public OR private school I ve ever known. The same goes for my 'nerd' homeschool friends. We homeschoolers are in the REAL world taking classes WE choose and working in groups when we decide, and sometimes working while the public schoolers are being herded around like cattle and bottle fed the same garbage as everyone else.
@jerico641 global warming hoax, fear of the world ending, being told not to worry about what career they'll have as the world will be gone because of our actions, these are all actual things told to kids I personally know. That is the garbage being taught.
I'm guessing your point is that since global warming is a "hoax", you see no reason to warn anyone about it, especially school kids? Well I happen to believe that the global warming phenomenon, while a realistic description of current weaher patterns across the world, isn't as threatening as it is said to be. I also believe that there are passionate teachers in public school who sometimes cross the line into hysterical preaching. No reason to knock the whole system, though.
@jerico641 By the same token, no reason to knock all homeschoolers just because of a few bad apples. My kids have had incredible cultural, life lessons, and they have been dual-enrolled in college (gettng As). And they have been homeschooled since 1st and 2nd grade.
Well, it always seems to me that people choose to homeschool their kids do it for political or social reasons, not because they feel that the quality of education in public school is low. Usually it seems to be very conservative right wing parents who do it because they want to impose their view of morality and religion onto their kids. Sadly, most of the adults I've met who home school their children are so sadly lacking in basic knowledge that they're useless as instructors.
@jerico641 I'm sorry you have such a small pool of homescoolers to get your info from. We homeschool because it fits our life schedule Until recently my hubby had a very flexible schedule that allowed our family to do lots of traveling. Hard to do that when you have to stick to a ps schedule.
I have never met a parent who didn't have the basic skills to educate their own kids, esp, with the plethora of education materials available. You must live in an ignorant area.
No, I don't live in a particularly ignorant area; it's pretty much like anywhere else. Here's one example of what I've found: an acquaintance of mine is homeschooling his 2 girls, 8 and 10. He's doing it because he thinks public schools are somehow teaching "atheism", and he's a devout christian who can't afford private school. The other day he let it slip that he thought the Miranda rights were only for American citizens who had been arrested, and didn't apply to non-citizens.
@jerico641 Well, it's my hunch that most public school parents would have the same assumption. In fact, most Americans would have the same assumption. Why is that an indicator of ability to homeschool? Why would he be teaching his 8 and 10 yr olds about Miranda rights? I was never taught that in elementary school. Were you?
Well, I realize he won't be teaching his girls about Miranda rights at this point (but quite possibly will in the future if he schools them through 12th grade), but my point was that he actually believed that scary nonsense; I just hope it isn't indicative of his general knowledge. Also, why would anyone assume that Public Schools teach atheism, or anything else to do with religion? That's a violation of the Establishment Clause in the Constitution. I never had any such classes.
@jerico641 I don't know why he would assume that. Maybe that's how it is in his school district. It is pretty well known that many in academia have a low regard for religion. Most homeschoolers I know homeschool because they feel they can give their kids a better education. My kids (both homeschooled since grade 2) are now dual-enrolled in college and getting A's. I do not have a teaching degree, but it seems to have worked for us.
Well, to each his own, I guess. My oldest daughter just recieved her primary education BA degree and will begin teaching this fall; my mother was also a elementary school teacher for 30 years, so I'm probably biased. Anyway, I'm sure that teachers all have different opinions regarding religion, which is perfectly fine as long as they don't attempt to introduce it to their students to it or attempt to convert them. It's just that religion belongs in the church, not the school.
@jerico641 I agree--however, you have many christians (right or wrong) who's religion says they should speak what they believe. Then, when their parents homeschool them, they get criticized for it. You can't have it both ways.
When you say christians in this context you mean the parents? If that's the case, and they homeschool kids simply to infuse the cirriculum with religious opinions and doctrine, I do think that's wrong, because it could and probably does distort the overall point of the lessons (such as teaching creationism as part of a biology or human development course). Regardless of what their religion says, our society is built on church-state separation, and they should respect that.
@jerico641 What if they don't homeschool "simply to infuse the cur.. with religious opinions"? What if they really can do a better job, or they don't like the school timetable or. . .? Whatever?
Also, our socidety is not built on "church-state seperation" as you say, but on the freedom OF religion, not from religion. Big dif.
Well, if parents homeschool for the reasons you gave, I have no particular problem with that, as long as the kids are getting as good an education as they'd recieve in PS, or better. To address your 2nd point, freedom of religion is really what the establishment clause in the Constitution is about. All people have the right to freely practice whatever religion they want, but they cannot establish any religion upon the state. This just means that the public sector remains neutral.
@jerico641 I certainly do not want my gov't establishing a religion. So, in reality, in many respects, we agree. However, I feel parents have the right to educate their children in whatever form they want, as long as the kids get educated. It has been my experience of a homeschooler for 14 years, that the overwhelming majority of hs kids get a great academic as well as cultural education.
Exactly; I don't want the government telling me what religion I have to practice, nor do I want some huge powerchurch (like the vatican or the southern baptist convention) telling me either. I think most people believe like we do on that point (I hope anyway), and as long as the kids are well educated and religion is left out, I have no problem with home schooling. As you said, some parents may want to do it for perfectly logical reasons such as school overcrowding, etc.
@jerico641 Agreed--however, I do believe that hs parents can bring any religion into it that they want. In the privacy of your own home you can teach your kids whatever you want. But not the public schools.
Well, yeah, they certainly do have that right, it's just that I disagree with religion being brought into any school cirriculum, home or otherwise. If they are educating their kids according to state standards, there's nothing I can do about it, I just disagree with the practice. As far as I'm concerned, religion should be treated independently, if the family chooses to to teach it at all, that is, or left up to the church of their choice.
@jerico641 As Christians, we are commanded to pass our faith on to our children in many places, but most specifically in Deutoronomy 6. To divorce our faith from our life or school is not compatible with what we have been commanded to do. What are you an atheist, agnostic, or just a secular humanist?
Well, yeah, they certainly do have that right, it's just that I disagree with religion being brought into any school cirriculum, home or otherwise. If they are educating their kids according to state standards, there's nothing I can do about it, I just disagree with the practice. As far as I'm concerned, religion should be treated independently, if the family chooses to to teach it at all, that is, or left up to the church of their choice.
@jerico641 Why? It doesn't matter if kids are being public, private or homeschooled, parents should have the freedom to teach their kids religion, whether as part of homeschool curiculum or as supplemental education when they get home from the public school.
Absolutely, sure; I'm not in favor of taking any parent's rights away. What they do in their home is their business. I'm just saying that I disagree with teaching children religion as part of a general education cirriculum. In my mind general ed and religion are two separate things and should be acknowledged as such. But if a parent wants to "supplement" their kids' education with religion, they certainly have every right to do that; I'd never say otherwise.
@jerico641 I used to feel the same way you do. Recently I learned that since God created all the things that we are learning about, then, all subjects should lead back to Him. Classical Conversations is a movement to get back to the basics. Check them out on the internet. It is comprehensive and only needs to have a Math program to complete the education. I chose Saxon Math and Apologeia Science to enrich my son's experience.
Ooookay, then let me ask you, for starters: what in the HELL is "Saxon Math" and "Apologeia Science"? And I guess I should also say that while it makes me crazy that you're teaching religious nonsense to an unsuspecting child who should be learning grammar, math, and civics, as long as you homeschool the kid according to state standards I guess you can do what you want. It's a shame though.
@jerico641 lol Saxon Math is a brand of educating books which teach math skills to children. The same goes to Apologeie Science, it teaches children science... Normally to home schooled children.
Religion is taught no matter where you learn your education, whether it be from your parents, the people you associate with at school, ect. You are a product of your environment. The only reason you may dislike homeschooling is because somewhere in your life you were taught that. It's social psychology
Sorry, wrong, but thanks for playing; I don't necessarily dislike home schooling on a broad basis, I disagree with parents who want to teach their children right wing fundamentalist christian dogma instead of basic skills like math, english, science and civics, and so pull them out of school to do so. That's just harming the child in my opinion. And you know what? MATH TEXTS are a brand of educating books which teach math skills! You never answred the questions I asked.
@jerico641 Lol, so sheltered and ignorant in your views on the subject. Typical of the little lost sheep with wolves teeth the public institutions inevitably produce! Still have my old Stanford-Binet tests from the 8th grade showing that I was grade 12+ equivalent in every area across the board except mathematics where I was "only" 11th grade equivalent. All this while being "indoctrinated" with "right wing fundamentalist christian dogma", lol. And I am far from the exception among homeshoolers.
Dude, I have researched home schooling and know exactly what I'm talking about. It a majority of cases, it's just an excuse for racist, homophobic, rabid right wingers to indoctrinate their children to their way of thinking. It's totalitarian parenting, and it's wrong. Maybe you were in the minority of cases that didn't operate that way; it sounds like maybe your parents pulled you out because you were advancing faster that usual. I'm not sheltered, and not ignorant; jerk.
@jerico641 Did you talk to them?Did you get to see inside their homes?Or did your pre conceptions rule the day? Depriving a child because of the beliefs of their parents is far worse imho.I am confident that I could've at bare minimum gained an athletic scholarship,but the admins at the local public school refused me participation.
I have had to endure the taunts and ridicule of ppl like yourself since early childhood, sorry if I came off like a jerk. Perhaps I am sensitive. Much love my friend
No problem; I think we're talking about two different things; home schooling for exceptional kids is sometimes the better way to go. I have no problem with that.
@jerico641 Cool bro. The way I see it, ALL kids are exceptional, it's just how and how much they are worked with. The public institutions could never give children the type of individual attention a motivated parent can. Far easier to dump your kids at the public "daycare", that's why, from my experience, as someone who has met and mingled with hundreds (probably thousands) of homeschoolers, you HAVE to be an exceptional parent to homeschool. Exceptional parents tend to raise exceptional kids.
@jerico641 If the public school can teach only Darwin's THEORY of Evolution then a homeschool parent can teach only the THEORY of Creation. My son knows there is Darwin's THEORY of Evolution. How many public school kids, however, know there is the THEORY of Creationism? Scientists who come up with research that supports Evolution are treated with respect & get published. Those who come up with research that supports Creation are treated with disrespect & is attempted to be covered up.
Well, I have to take a few issues witht his argument. First, a scientific theory is not a guess; it's composed of facts and ideas which have been thoroughly tested and peer reviewed. A couple of examples are the "theory" of gravity and the "theory" that the earth revolves around the sun. In Biology class it's taught because it's the best scientific explanation for the diversity of life on Earth. It doesn't "compete" with religion, and there is no accurate creation research.
@jerico641 Actually without even knowing it, I was taught relative morality while I was taught in public school. So actually the public schools teach a contempt for the idea of any higher being or any absolute truths. Without following laws (absolute truths) our society will deteriorate and quickly follow the likes of the Roman Empire.
Just to be historically clear on something, let me point out that by our own standards of success, the Roman Empire was the most advanced (technologically and socially), enduring, most powerful nation state the word has ever known. On a realistic basis, the USA is just a baby compared to it. And I don't know where you went to school, but no teacher ever expressed contempt to me about any religious idea. In fact, I remember 2 of them having to be disciplined for preaching in class
Jerico641 is fascinated by school kids, which have the same affect upon him as Obama's speeches have upon Chris Mathews loins. Unfortunately for him, it is part of his parole that he not approach within 100 yards of any school where children are present.
@coolmom9 Don't forget "We are good, Ameri---" nevermind, I was educated in a different country, from the early 70's to mid 80's. I suspect given that it was the Internet that deprogrammed me, kids aren't taught that way anymore.
@hellmelon666 Participating in culture? My homeschooled kids have gone to Egypt, India, Honduras, Mexico, Ghana, and over 40 states in the US--have you or yours read about the pyramids, or have they seen them like mine? Have you or yours read about the Varanassi river or have they ridden it like mine? You don't even have a clue about the benefits of homeschooling--stop being ignorant.
@WareWulf1408 For real. I didn't learn my sense of persona and cognitive perception by reading when Napoleon invaded, or when the Mayflower landed. I went through public school from start to seventh grade and gave up on public education when I noticed the children are all gangster wannabe jackasses (I one time said "hello" to another student and literally got a "shut the fuck up" response), and the teachers are, in more ways than one, fighting against the students.
@WareWulf1408 I envy you :) I was homeschooled until college and I still don't have the nerve to tell people I'm more cultured and educated than every public/private schooler I've ever known. Personally I've found that other homeschoolers aren't all that fun to hang around with due to their haughtiness.
@WareWulf1408 It is very important children are around other children so they learn the social things in life, which is very important. It is important they learn how to work together with other. What when they are older? can you prepare them for high-school certificate, so they can apply for the university?
@globe255 Yes, with my homeschooling I am able to track my son's grades and prepare him for high school. Every Tuesday our large group meets and learns how to teach for the next week. It makes learning fun for all! If I have difficulty teaching a subject, I have tutors and interactive DVDs that will help me do an effective job. Also, at church and in our neighborhood with afterschool activities my son gets plenty of socialization.
@dlandrews1 Ok as long as you know you are capable to do it. It would be bad if the children would blame you after. I must say the public school system is in bad shape today, so therefore i think its a good idea with home schooling. You know there is too many mixed children in the public school (just my meaning).
@WareWulf1408 That sounds extremely pretentious and closed-minded. Are you sure that considering yourself part of an elite group of people and generalizing all those with a different lifestyle than yourself is what falls under being "cultured" and "educated"?
they're so cute
andreafullen9 1 month ago
This is a WRONG example of home school!!!! And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Deuteronomy 6:7 This is despicable, and most of these people who are criticizing Christian Home Schoolers are 100% wrong, and have no EDUCATION.
alwaysproverbs31 1 month ago
man thats terable whats wrong with you people ?
Hillbillykid2000 2 months ago 2
....what the hell is this shit... and damnit that was totally scripted. i wish i could dislike this twice.
ShinjteSakura 2 months ago
>>> "I would be all FOR having everyone homeschool their kids on a few main conditions..."<<<
Most people make the extra effort to homeschool to get away from those conditions that are crammed down kids' throats every day in public schools.
mra57 4 months ago 2
Too cute! Lil badasses!
HappyHooker83 5 months ago
EEK I LIVE IN NEBRASKA!! whelp looks like it's time to move
tacorainbow 9 months ago
this should be taken seriously, this is a very scary side to homeschooling, my child does this to our dog all the time, just kidding, lololol
SuperHighandmighty 10 months ago
I know it infringes on personal liberties a bit, but only people with a recognised degree in teaching should be allowed to home-school children of above kindergarten age. Even then the kids miss out on too much in the way of social interaction skills etc.
dougyoolikeme 10 months ago
@dougyoolikeme Should mothers be required to have a culinary arts degree before they're allowed to cook for their kids?
shamgar001 9 months ago 2
@dougyoolikeme Also, in regards to social interaction skills, I know many homeschoolers (myself included) who meet or exceed the social skills of traditionally educated students. In my experience, the socializing in public schools just teaches kids to follow peer pressure and not think for themselves.
shamgar001 9 months ago
@shamgar001 I was homeschooled.. There is usually a good reason why kids are homeschooled. I found more often then not, the homeschooled kids were very, very strange,and socially inept... The parents were just as strange.
Johnf85 4 months ago
@Johnf85 Most of them are only socially inept in the eyes of the public school system and the kids who go there who think confuse being having social skills with being 'cool' or whatever the mass media is indoctrinating kids with at the moment.
lemsip 4 months ago
@lemsip Being "cool" or "popular" has nothing to do with social skills. I said nothing about the public school system I said in my eyes. The home schooled kids I've interacted with have syndromes that I would reasonably guess come from a lack of interaction, that you get from classrooms, lunchrooms, recess, etc. Good or bad experiences will yield usable value and force different cultures, and opinions on them. The only indoctrination is usually religious, and puts kids in a bubble.
Johnf85 4 months ago
@Johnf85 I've come across children who in the large primary and high schools where I live who have got in with a bad crowd because both class sizes and the schools are too large. When the kids broke up for the summer holidays in late July it was wayhem as they were letting off steam and by the end of August most of them they had calmed down somewhat. As soon as they were back in school the edginess returned when I encountered them on the way home from school and at weekends.
lemsip 4 months ago
To continue. The home schooled kids with PD's or shyness would be like that anyway which is probably why they were taken out of school in the first place. Not all the home schooled kids have religious parents. I've come across kids in new age or eco intentional communities who are home schooled and a delight to be with as they come into close contact with other adults in the community which they see as aunts and uncles. They are free range children.
lemsip 4 months ago
@Johnf85 Syndromes? Since when are personality traits called syndromes? I was home schooled, and yes I'm a quiet person but that's just my personality. In my high school years social interaction was limited but when I was younger, my siblings and I had ample opportunities for social interaction outside of home. Field trips aren't just for public school kids, you know. I have several public schooled friends who are more 'shy/anti-social/however anti-home school people want to say it' than I am.
ShortStuff2187 1 month ago
@Johnf85 Cont...Now that I'm an adult and work with kids regularly, I can say from personal experience that home schooled kids are generally more enjoyable to be around. In general (there are rare exceptions) home school kids are not as obnoxious or disrespectful as public school kids. Home school kids are more apt to encourage other kids than to taunt and bully them. Why? Because they're taught respect at home, not given to the public school system for free childcare with little discipline.
ShortStuff2187 1 month ago 2
@ShortStuff2187 Bullshit, I know for a fact that homeschool is fucked up. I was homeschooled and it totally fucked me up socially. I could barely talk to anyone my age. Fuck idiots and their homeschool, it should be fucking illegal.
SuperBspb 1 month ago
did they teach language arts or did you learn that from the world?
Walkinginthelight38 2 weeks ago
@SuperBspb i'm homeschooled and more social than i ever have been.....
meagannnaliseee 2 weeks ago
@SuperBspb Well, it certainly did not help you develop civilized language skills!
jgcase 1 week ago
@dougyoolikeme - Why? The main thing learned in gaining a "teaching certificate" is how to handle 30+ kids at a time. Most homeschoolers do not handle anywhere near that amount. BTW, one of the largest growing areas of folks that homeschool their students is teachers. When we started homeschooling, out of my husband's entire family, the only one that supported us was his SIL, a public middle school math teacher.
kassklothes 5 months ago
I'm sorry, but WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS VIDEO?
amidoingthis 11 months ago
I liked home school. didnt do a thing :)
titanicdbog 1 year ago
are you selling ur children btw
JoshuaCKnight 1 year ago
this is gay as fuck
JoshuaCKnight 1 year ago
Unfortunately, in this country a lot of homeschooling parents and advocates and anti-public school folks DON'T follow all 4 of those rules, so I am fearful. Most homeschoolers, if I'm correct, are Christian conservatives who think things like "evolution is a myth" and believe in Creationism, right?
whoo689 1 year ago
I would be all FOR having everyone homeschool their kids on a few main conditions: a) they don't indoctrinate their kids with any political beliefs (let them have their innocence), b) they don't indoctrinate kids with ANY religious or anti-religious beliefs (they should be allowed to make up their minds on belief systems when they come of age), c) don't use it as an excuse to cram anti-science nonsense down their throats and d) teach them to think critically.
whoo689 1 year ago 3
@whoo689 You pretty much outlined four of the main things the Public Institutions of Indoctrination do NOT do. In a nation where everything is measured by a score card, it is humorous that we just don't let the testing scores settle this issue. Never gonna happen because the "Educational System" would be exposed for the anti-education farce it is. Do you think because someone doesn't believe in evolution they cannot understand science?? Have you heard of Isaac Newton?
salmagnum 1 year ago
@salmagnum Ha ha-a-a-a-aa! What the hell drugs are you on to cut logical and educational corners like this?
mic7able 11 months ago
@salmagnum It doesn't matter, lies are lies are lies are lies. Creation has no place in schools because it has no more evidence that it occured than we have for say, the world being sneezed out of some galactic jello monsters nose. If you can present evidence for it then by all means it will be taken more seriously and be taught in school, until then it's absurd as you'd have to teach every theory pulled out of random religion x's ass out of respect.
DarkBunnyLord 8 months ago
@salmagnum "Do you think because someone doesn't believe in evolution they cannot understand science?? " it means they cannot understand biology. "Have you heard of Isaac Newton?" you mean the physicist who was around way before evolutionary theory developed and was understood, sure. your point?
BillKiernan 5 months ago
@BillKiernan Why don't you explain biological evolution for me, Bill. Be as specific as possible.
salmagnum 5 months ago
@salmagnum inheritable changes in populations over generations resulting in changes in the frequency/distribution of alleles.
BillKiernan 5 months ago
Lol well that was weird... but then, I'm not "in on" whatever their voting on. I AM a homeschooled teen and an A/B student tho, and I thought I was mildly funny. Maybe there are homeschooled "anti-social freaks" out there, and I've met a few, but I've met more kids out of public schools that I would classify as freaks. Poor kids. I have lots of friends who are homeschooled, and just as many who aren't. They're all awesome.
irishcowgirl77 1 year ago
This video is a big fat lie. Not all homeschooled girls are like this. GET SERIOUS.
TheZa1994 1 year ago
i'm glad your children beat you up. you're a prick.
Galiceee 1 year ago
There is no "dark side" to homeschooling, the dark side is within the government schools.
Moreover, homeschooled children aren't victimized by the violent multi-culti nightmare that is bussed in from the inner cities designed to assuage liberal guilt.
"Dark side"?, how arrogant.
dgl1962 1 year ago
@dgl1962 so we should be scared of inner city kids? but what should the inner city kids be scared of then?
birthdaynick80 1 year ago
@birthdaynick80 The inner city kids should be scared of their brethren, for it is they that are the most likely to harm each other.
dgl1962 1 year ago
THE CHILDREN WANT TO BE BRAINWASHED COME ON!!! u fucker
thenewyardbirds 1 year ago
I am replying about mixed children being in public schools. There are two black families and one Hispanic family in my home school association out of 20 families. For a small town in Southeast GA, this is phenomenal.
As far as feeling competent to teach my child, anything that I feel that we need help with can be remedied with a tutor. Also, the material is laid out for you to teach, so all you need is a dry-erase board, erasers, markers, and love.
dlandrews1 1 year ago
Homeschooling is perfectly fine...as long as you are not indoctrinating your children and pushing bullshit down their throats. If you actually teach your children at home school, then you're doing a good job. But make sure you're teaching facts where you should be and opinions were they should be and not to get them mixed up.
Most especially in science. Where beliefs are irrelavent. And can get you in a lot of trouble if you allow them to corrupt raw data. Lying is not good, children.
tskasa1 1 year ago
@tskasa1 Just a reminder that evolution is still a theory and deserves to be taught as such. Many would say that Christianity is a theory; however, historically it can be backed up, as well as, through testimonies of people whose lives have been changed through a relationship with Him.
dlandrews1 1 year ago
@dlandrews1
"Just a reminder that evolution is still a theory and deserves to be taught as such"
So is cell theory. And atomic theory. And ALL THREE forms of gravitational theory (Newtonian, Einsteinian, and Quantum). And Quantum Theory. And nuclear theory. And Relativity. Should I go on?
My point is that you seem to not understand what a scientific theory is.
tskasa1 1 year ago
@tskasa1 The definition of a theory is "a group of general propositions used as principles of explanation whose status is still conjectural". Darwinists explain the mysteries of the world through their world-view which is God-denying. Those who have opened their minds and hearts up to the knowledge of the True God explain the world through their knowledge of Him. Testimonies are the experiences of people with the supernatural that need no scientific verification- much like saying I'm in love.
dlandrews1 1 year ago
@dlandrews1
Except that you're wrong. There are basically 2 kinds of theories: Philosophical Theories and Scientific Theories. Scientific Theories are supported by proof and proven before they can ever be a theory. That is what separates them from a hypothesis.
tskasa1 1 year ago
@dlandrews1
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Some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature supported by facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena,"
tskasa1 1 year ago
@dlandrews1
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A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world. The theory of biological evolution is more than "just a theory.""
tskasa1 1 year ago
@dlandrews1
"It is as factual an explanation of the universe as the atomic theory of matter or the germ theory of disease. Our understanding of gravity is still a work in progress. But the phenomenon of gravity, like evolution, is an accepted fact"
tskasa1 1 year ago
@dlandrews1
"Testimonies are the experiences of people"
And have also been proven to be extremely bias and prejudice on the part of the one giving the testimony. This is why hearsay or "I said so" does NOT qualify as evidence in science *even in a court of law, hears say and witnesses are the least preferable kind of evidence, much preferred would be a video or something).
tskasa1 1 year ago
@dlandrews1
"Darwinists explain the mysteries of the world through their world-view which is God-denying"
Except that not all "Darwinists" are God denyers. The vast majority of Darwinist are theists. Intelligent Theists.
"the True God"
Proof that he is the one, only, and true God and neither Zeus, Jupiter, Marduk, etc. are. Now.
"much like saying I'm in love."
Except that love actually CAN be quantified and proven. So....no............
tskasa1 1 year ago
@dlandrews1
A scientific theory is a certified fact that has withstood the peer reviewed literature process repeatedly. Evolution has done so for over 150 years.
"through testimonies of people whose lives have been changed through a relationship with Him."
Testimonies that would be, by nature, bias. Science does not accept hearsay as credible evidence. Most especially that which is easily prone to bias and prejudice that may distort the results.
tskasa1 1 year ago
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@dlandrews1
"Many would say that Christianity is a theory;"
Not even close...
"however, historically it can be backed up"
Name evidence from outside the bible that backs your belief. Provide evidence that proves your God. Empirical Evidence.
tskasa1 1 year ago
hey...homeshooling is the cause of a lot of crazy people in the US ADMIT IT...this is evil :)
poposisa 1 year ago
Wow that was stupid, this makes me WANT to Homeschool my child, with a dad like that who went to PUBLIC school -___-
Dreamydre15 1 year ago
I can see both sides of homeschooling, since I was homeschooled until my junior year, at which point I went to public school.
On the one hand, I wound up smarter than I would have.
On the other hand, I had really underdeveloped social skills (heck, I still do) and was...not really close but...nearing that point mentioned in this video. I had quite a bit of contempt for my parents and lashed out at them, which prompted sending me to public school.
stitch99 1 year ago
hahahahaha
BuddleiaChic97 1 year ago
Crap.
BassPhat 1 year ago
WTF is this video supposed to be about , its not homeschooling that's for sure , this guy actually worries me - somethings off with him.
misscalais 1 year ago
@misscalais It's a JOKE! He's made a comedic video about homeschooling. You're supposed to LAUGH at it, not take it as the "Truth".
AlbertaRose94 1 year ago
I have no problem with home schooling and Christian parents teaching them what is in this video. I am Catholic. Recently we moved in next door to a family where 4 of the 6 kids are home schooled and are very strict Christians. What bothers me is, recently my daughter who is 9 who plays with their 9 year old daughter told me that the this little girl told her that her parents will not allow her in our home. What's up with that?? We always have had kids come in and out of our home.
LaxDistributors 1 year ago
@LaxDistributors Haved you ever asked her parents why or just invite her parents over to your home and let them get to know you or they may just have a problam with your type of religon
jessejmorris2nd 1 year ago
I am not sure what the purpose of this video is. Either way it stinks.
rtcall1 1 year ago
haha satire
Spiderwoman77 1 year ago
This video is really retarded and pointless
snipperboo 1 year ago
Just as there are good teachers and bad teachers; likewise with home schooling. My daughter went to public school. If she were still a kid, I would send her to a private school. The schools in my locale have deteriorated. Mostly inner city kids - gangs, drugs, crime, fights, etc. Some of my neighbors with small kids decided to move, because they couldn't afford private schooling. I'd personally be terrified to go back to the high school I graduated from. It changed that much.
emeraldvenus 1 year ago
you cant keep them at home and safe forever
AceofDimonds0 2 years ago
@AceofDimonds0 That is like saying, "Just leave your infant on the side walk next to a busy road", since you can't keep them safe forever. That's a terrible attitude to have. We owe our children safety and with sexual predators stalking the streets it would be irresponsible to send them outside without proper supervision.
dlandrews1 1 year ago 2
shameless!!
ricardoaponte 2 years ago
Ya this video doesn't make any sense to me either, and it sure puts a bad light on homeschoolers. It's still too touchy a subject for people sometimes. I'm not anal but a lot of people on both sides sure are.
rockjockchick 2 years ago
this is an insult to me and to my clan, i would hunt you down and chop your head off
TheGooberment 2 years ago
looks like i can see why homeschoolers are terrorists. you need educated teachers, not parents!
MaryStewart 2 years ago
@MaryStewart As a homeschooler, I highly disagree....my parents do an absolutely WONDERFUL job as teachers. And, it's not just my parents that rock, but all my other homeschool friends have amazing parents as well..........(TBC)
GallopingForGod 1 week ago
.....BUT, look at it from our point of view...I have heard not just from my public school friends, but those who actually TEACH in public school, that homeschooling will prepare us kids much, MUCH better for life and provide us with a better education. Thank you for being just another one of the annoying people out there who hate us.
Sincerely,
The 15-year-old who can talk to adults better than most other adults can themselves.
GallopingForGod 1 week ago
Marina and Wonginmulak? WTF
spiderpig85 2 years ago
You sound like a car salesman. Jeez
pianistic 2 years ago 8
rofl.. good one
MrRogue100 1 year ago
Xenousprime does not know homeschooling.
And none of you know me, so assume nothing when I say that kids in "Real School" learn less than what should be required culturally. Not only are they spoon fed they same garbage as every other under schieving zombie in the public schools, if youre smart, youre sent to a "nerd" class and labled an outcast, and thus its negative to be smart. As a homeschooler, I am held to the highest standarn on everything, and I learn the way I WANT to learn,
WareWulf1408 2 years ago
@WareWulf1408 Thank you!!
I, along with many friends, am homeschooled. We learn what we want, we graduate when we want, and we are amazingly socialized. THANK YOU for not being someone who judges before realizing that we do in fact, in most situations, have more of an education than others our age.
GallopingForGod 1 week ago
I do not even understand what this video is about. Teaching kids to be disrespectful and mean to get some kind of vote for something?
TheCreatingPost 2 years ago
As someone who grew up in the public school system, I see many flaws and weaknesses. Especially being exposed to drugs, sex, and violence. I'd rather home school my children and involve them in activities with other children than send them to school. Parents have the right to home school their kids and the gov. is trying to take that away from us. We should all be concerned about gov. taking over our rights to teach our children.
amandawonderboy 2 years ago
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so you want your kids to have no friends and have no life and not learn to defend themselves in other words and never get laid youre a good parent
MitchelPie 2 years ago
You obviously know nothing about homeschooled kids because if you did, you would know that they tend to be smarter and have firmer values. When you home school children, there are programs to meet other children. Home schooled children have just as many friends as people who go to public schools. And why would I want my child to get "laid" while they are in school and not married? Can they support their "mistakes"? No, the parent would. You need to question your parent skills, not mine.
amandawonderboy 2 years ago 3
@amandawonderboy Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GallopingForGod 1 week ago
im homeschooled.. im a black belt in tkd. i can kick anybodys ass. plus i probably have more friends then you.I'm the captain of my varsity homeschool basketball team we travel all over the east coast (Maryland to Georgia)..and I have gotten some. sooo being homeschooled doesnt mean you can't be normal..and have a life
RHXMedia 2 years ago
@RHXMedia you prove that homeschoolers are violent!
MaryStewart 2 years ago
haha
I'm not violent.. and homeschoolers are not violent..we're just like everyone else jsut do school at home
RHXMedia 2 years ago
@MaryStewart Being able to defend yourself is not the same as being violent!
dlandrews1 1 year ago 3
@amandawonderboy Amen.
dlandrews1 1 year ago
Umm....they might be acting? Why would the girls dress the same way and then beat up a parent while the other is holding a camera?
aeinrt 2 years ago
@aeinrt My thoughts exactly.
GallopingForGod 1 week ago
So cute that you've begun brainwashing your children at such a young age. I'm sure this video has had the effect you desired ant that millions of youtube viewers voted for 10 - whatever that maybe....
nikkitoni01 2 years ago
Better then being brainwashed by the state and government. Homeschool'ed kids usually maintain a keaner self-identity, and an individual desire to seek education, AND are usually much more open minded- then other kids. In fact, most homeschooled kids that I grew up with were usually inventing and doing electrical engineering in their basements at the age of 11. When I was 13, I was hired by a major contractor for Northrop Grumman as a webmaster. Never been brainwashed and can argue all sides.
mikelunz 2 years ago
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nikkitoni01 2 years ago
I was homeschooled from 2nd grade through all of high school. Many of the kids I was homeschooled with were also brainwashed by the far right winged republican evangelists who believed they were raising their children for God. I was a radio host at the age of 15 for a national radio station. This does not change the fact that I lived with abusive parents who did not give me a proper education. Nor does it change that many of my friends who were homeschooled are openly against it as well.
nikkitoni01 2 years ago
So how do you know that they were brainwashed? How do you know these things... or is it, that now you just "believe" you were being brainwashed?
How do you know that you were not learning the truth, but then something else that you began to respect held an opposing belief... so you then melded your concern.
I am sure that alot of children who are not homeschooled are abused as well. I am sure that the majority of Republican Evangelists, do not homeschool there kids...
mikelunz 2 years ago
That's like asking me how I know that people who joined a cult were brainwashed. I know they and I were brainwashed because I lived it. Duh.
There are many terrible things that my parents did to me that I will not discuss here, and the fact that you are defending them in an effort to prove me wrong really does make me sick to my stomach.
I'm sure there are a lot of children who are homeschooled who aren't abused as well - however, I know that there is a majority of them who are.
nikkitoni01 2 years ago
I am deeply concerned about the lack of guidelines and laws when it comes to homeschooling, as it allows anyone to be able to homeschool their children. Think of it - the worst criminals have the ability and 'right' to homeschool their children. Many states have only recently put together a list of studies that must be taught if one is going to homeschool their children. Have you ever looked up unschooling? Now that is some scary stuff and yet, it is legal.
nikkitoni01 2 years ago
Oh - and one more thing, it is a fact that Republican Evangelicals are in the top percentage of those who homeschool their children. Homeschooling is very popular within the Christian community.
nikkitoni01 2 years ago
I've not just looked it up, I've studied it. It's not for me, but I've read interview after interview with college students who were unschooled and they're doing fine. Look, there are successful kids and unsuccessful kids in every learning environment. There's no evidence that one way is the best way for everyone. It all depends on the parents, really.
aikimoe 2 years ago
No, forcing people to sending their children to a public school in which you have no saying, is "scary stuff". Totalitarianism is scary.
MigDanskeren 2 years ago 2
Nobody is forced to send their children to public school. Private school is also an option.
nikkitoni01 2 years ago
True but you DO have to pay for it and unless you are rich you can't afford private- or home schooling when you also have to pay for a public school that you don't even use.
MigDanskeren 2 years ago
It depends on the school. You don't have to be rich to afford private school. My nephew and niece went to a private school for a while, and their parents were far from being rich. Also, many private schools offer some type of scholarship, affordable payment plans, etc.
nikkitoni01 2 years ago
Yes, in fact, they are. Private and home school ARE options, which the government thankfully recognizes, but unfortunately they are only recognized as alternatives to public schooling, and the government tries hard to limit them as much as possible. If you don't send your kids to public school or prove to the government that you're using an "appropriate" alternative, you can be sent to prison. George Washington said the "Law is force", and this is as true here as anywhere else.
happygirl65366 2 years ago 2
Its not an option for everybody.
I don't agree with public schools because it is totally elitist and unfair.
riceypud488 2 years ago 3
Again, I'm so sorry to hear about your childhood. But I assure you that there's no evidence that homeschooled kids are abused at higher rates than kids who go to school.
aikimoe 2 years ago
@nikkitoni01 From the bottom of my heart, I am sorry for what happened to you, but I was not home schooled and terrible things happened to me. I believe that there are cruel people in all walks of life and that home schooling had nothing to do with this. My father was very abusive and rarely spent any time interacting with me. Perhaps this is what enabled him to act this way- I don't know. I believe he was abused as an orphan who was cast around with no one wanting him.
dlandrews1 1 year ago
I'm sorry to hear about your childhood. But certainly, the problem wasn't homeschooling, itself, but rather those doing the homeschooling. I'm a secular homeschooler myself, and only about a third of homeschooling parents say they do so for religious reasons. Thoughtful, caring parents are the key to a good childhood and education, no matter what path they take.
aikimoe 2 years ago
Evangelist right wingers also have kids in public school, and they do not turn into regular listeners of air america. The difference between school and not school is the difference between being forced to grown and learn and not being forced to grow and learn. An unschooled world would still have crazy folks, but a schooled world has an uncritical, obedient citizenry. Consider that you think coercion is necessary for growth and learning. That's insane... but you don't think so, do ya.
interstitialofficial 2 years ago 2
Yes I do. Cultural development is not possible without kids going to school.
Compulsory education is part of modern society. School should at first teach how to think critical, thats the purpose and second impart knowledge.
XenousPrime 2 years ago
"Cultural development is not possible without kids going to school."
Why do you think that?
interstitialofficial 2 years ago
Because in some way knowledge must reach the mind of the kids by teaching..
XenousPrime 2 years ago
I'm not sure how to read that sentence; but, I'll assume what you meant to say is that in order for kids to learn, they have to be taught.
Why do you think that?
interstitialofficial 2 years ago
Youre an idiot.
As a homeschooler since kindergarten, I can promise you I am ten times more 'cultured' and educated than anyone in public OR private school I ve ever known. The same goes for my 'nerd' homeschool friends. We homeschoolers are in the REAL world taking classes WE choose and working in groups when we decide, and sometimes working while the public schoolers are being herded around like cattle and bottle fed the same garbage as everyone else.
WareWulf1408 2 years ago 18
@WareWulf1408
Hi; sorry to intrude, but could you possibly list specifically some of that "garbage" that public schools are bottle feeding to children?
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 global warming hoax, fear of the world ending, being told not to worry about what career they'll have as the world will be gone because of our actions, these are all actual things told to kids I personally know. That is the garbage being taught.
coolmom9 1 year ago
@coolmom9
I'm guessing your point is that since global warming is a "hoax", you see no reason to warn anyone about it, especially school kids? Well I happen to believe that the global warming phenomenon, while a realistic description of current weaher patterns across the world, isn't as threatening as it is said to be. I also believe that there are passionate teachers in public school who sometimes cross the line into hysterical preaching. No reason to knock the whole system, though.
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 By the same token, no reason to knock all homeschoolers just because of a few bad apples. My kids have had incredible cultural, life lessons, and they have been dual-enrolled in college (gettng As). And they have been homeschooled since 1st and 2nd grade.
coolmom9 1 year ago
@coolmom9
Well, it always seems to me that people choose to homeschool their kids do it for political or social reasons, not because they feel that the quality of education in public school is low. Usually it seems to be very conservative right wing parents who do it because they want to impose their view of morality and religion onto their kids. Sadly, most of the adults I've met who home school their children are so sadly lacking in basic knowledge that they're useless as instructors.
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 I'm sorry you have such a small pool of homescoolers to get your info from. We homeschool because it fits our life schedule Until recently my hubby had a very flexible schedule that allowed our family to do lots of traveling. Hard to do that when you have to stick to a ps schedule.
I have never met a parent who didn't have the basic skills to educate their own kids, esp, with the plethora of education materials available. You must live in an ignorant area.
coolmom9 1 year ago
@coolmom9
No, I don't live in a particularly ignorant area; it's pretty much like anywhere else. Here's one example of what I've found: an acquaintance of mine is homeschooling his 2 girls, 8 and 10. He's doing it because he thinks public schools are somehow teaching "atheism", and he's a devout christian who can't afford private school. The other day he let it slip that he thought the Miranda rights were only for American citizens who had been arrested, and didn't apply to non-citizens.
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 Well, it's my hunch that most public school parents would have the same assumption. In fact, most Americans would have the same assumption. Why is that an indicator of ability to homeschool? Why would he be teaching his 8 and 10 yr olds about Miranda rights? I was never taught that in elementary school. Were you?
coolmom9 1 year ago
@coolmom9
Well, I realize he won't be teaching his girls about Miranda rights at this point (but quite possibly will in the future if he schools them through 12th grade), but my point was that he actually believed that scary nonsense; I just hope it isn't indicative of his general knowledge. Also, why would anyone assume that Public Schools teach atheism, or anything else to do with religion? That's a violation of the Establishment Clause in the Constitution. I never had any such classes.
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 I don't know why he would assume that. Maybe that's how it is in his school district. It is pretty well known that many in academia have a low regard for religion. Most homeschoolers I know homeschool because they feel they can give their kids a better education. My kids (both homeschooled since grade 2) are now dual-enrolled in college and getting A's. I do not have a teaching degree, but it seems to have worked for us.
coolmom9 1 year ago
@coolmom9
Well, to each his own, I guess. My oldest daughter just recieved her primary education BA degree and will begin teaching this fall; my mother was also a elementary school teacher for 30 years, so I'm probably biased. Anyway, I'm sure that teachers all have different opinions regarding religion, which is perfectly fine as long as they don't attempt to introduce it to their students to it or attempt to convert them. It's just that religion belongs in the church, not the school.
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 I agree--however, you have many christians (right or wrong) who's religion says they should speak what they believe. Then, when their parents homeschool them, they get criticized for it. You can't have it both ways.
coolmom9 1 year ago
@coolmom9
When you say christians in this context you mean the parents? If that's the case, and they homeschool kids simply to infuse the cirriculum with religious opinions and doctrine, I do think that's wrong, because it could and probably does distort the overall point of the lessons (such as teaching creationism as part of a biology or human development course). Regardless of what their religion says, our society is built on church-state separation, and they should respect that.
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 What if they don't homeschool "simply to infuse the cur.. with religious opinions"? What if they really can do a better job, or they don't like the school timetable or. . .? Whatever?
Also, our socidety is not built on "church-state seperation" as you say, but on the freedom OF religion, not from religion. Big dif.
coolmom9 1 year ago
@coolmom9
Well, if parents homeschool for the reasons you gave, I have no particular problem with that, as long as the kids are getting as good an education as they'd recieve in PS, or better. To address your 2nd point, freedom of religion is really what the establishment clause in the Constitution is about. All people have the right to freely practice whatever religion they want, but they cannot establish any religion upon the state. This just means that the public sector remains neutral.
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 I certainly do not want my gov't establishing a religion. So, in reality, in many respects, we agree. However, I feel parents have the right to educate their children in whatever form they want, as long as the kids get educated. It has been my experience of a homeschooler for 14 years, that the overwhelming majority of hs kids get a great academic as well as cultural education.
coolmom9 1 year ago
@coolmom9
Exactly; I don't want the government telling me what religion I have to practice, nor do I want some huge powerchurch (like the vatican or the southern baptist convention) telling me either. I think most people believe like we do on that point (I hope anyway), and as long as the kids are well educated and religion is left out, I have no problem with home schooling. As you said, some parents may want to do it for perfectly logical reasons such as school overcrowding, etc.
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 Agreed--however, I do believe that hs parents can bring any religion into it that they want. In the privacy of your own home you can teach your kids whatever you want. But not the public schools.
coolmom9 1 year ago
@coolmom9
Well, yeah, they certainly do have that right, it's just that I disagree with religion being brought into any school cirriculum, home or otherwise. If they are educating their kids according to state standards, there's nothing I can do about it, I just disagree with the practice. As far as I'm concerned, religion should be treated independently, if the family chooses to to teach it at all, that is, or left up to the church of their choice.
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 As Christians, we are commanded to pass our faith on to our children in many places, but most specifically in Deutoronomy 6. To divorce our faith from our life or school is not compatible with what we have been commanded to do. What are you an atheist, agnostic, or just a secular humanist?
dlandrews1 1 year ago
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@coolmom9
Well, yeah, they certainly do have that right, it's just that I disagree with religion being brought into any school cirriculum, home or otherwise. If they are educating their kids according to state standards, there's nothing I can do about it, I just disagree with the practice. As far as I'm concerned, religion should be treated independently, if the family chooses to to teach it at all, that is, or left up to the church of their choice.
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 Why? It doesn't matter if kids are being public, private or homeschooled, parents should have the freedom to teach their kids religion, whether as part of homeschool curiculum or as supplemental education when they get home from the public school.
AlbertaRose94 1 year ago
@AlbertaRose94
Absolutely, sure; I'm not in favor of taking any parent's rights away. What they do in their home is their business. I'm just saying that I disagree with teaching children religion as part of a general education cirriculum. In my mind general ed and religion are two separate things and should be acknowledged as such. But if a parent wants to "supplement" their kids' education with religion, they certainly have every right to do that; I'd never say otherwise.
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 I used to feel the same way you do. Recently I learned that since God created all the things that we are learning about, then, all subjects should lead back to Him. Classical Conversations is a movement to get back to the basics. Check them out on the internet. It is comprehensive and only needs to have a Math program to complete the education. I chose Saxon Math and Apologeia Science to enrich my son's experience.
dlandrews1 1 year ago
@dlandrews1
You're kidding, right? This sounds like a joke.
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 no.
dlandrews1 1 year ago
@dlandrews1
Ooookay, then let me ask you, for starters: what in the HELL is "Saxon Math" and "Apologeia Science"? And I guess I should also say that while it makes me crazy that you're teaching religious nonsense to an unsuspecting child who should be learning grammar, math, and civics, as long as you homeschool the kid according to state standards I guess you can do what you want. It's a shame though.
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 lol Saxon Math is a brand of educating books which teach math skills to children. The same goes to Apologeie Science, it teaches children science... Normally to home schooled children.
Religion is taught no matter where you learn your education, whether it be from your parents, the people you associate with at school, ect. You are a product of your environment. The only reason you may dislike homeschooling is because somewhere in your life you were taught that. It's social psychology
Megadrive2004 1 year ago
@Megadrive2004
Sorry, wrong, but thanks for playing; I don't necessarily dislike home schooling on a broad basis, I disagree with parents who want to teach their children right wing fundamentalist christian dogma instead of basic skills like math, english, science and civics, and so pull them out of school to do so. That's just harming the child in my opinion. And you know what? MATH TEXTS are a brand of educating books which teach math skills! You never answred the questions I asked.
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 Lol, so sheltered and ignorant in your views on the subject. Typical of the little lost sheep with wolves teeth the public institutions inevitably produce! Still have my old Stanford-Binet tests from the 8th grade showing that I was grade 12+ equivalent in every area across the board except mathematics where I was "only" 11th grade equivalent. All this while being "indoctrinated" with "right wing fundamentalist christian dogma", lol. And I am far from the exception among homeshoolers.
salmagnum 1 year ago
@salmagnum
Dude, I have researched home schooling and know exactly what I'm talking about. It a majority of cases, it's just an excuse for racist, homophobic, rabid right wingers to indoctrinate their children to their way of thinking. It's totalitarian parenting, and it's wrong. Maybe you were in the minority of cases that didn't operate that way; it sounds like maybe your parents pulled you out because you were advancing faster that usual. I'm not sheltered, and not ignorant; jerk.
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 Did you talk to them?Did you get to see inside their homes?Or did your pre conceptions rule the day? Depriving a child because of the beliefs of their parents is far worse imho.I am confident that I could've at bare minimum gained an athletic scholarship,but the admins at the local public school refused me participation.
I have had to endure the taunts and ridicule of ppl like yourself since early childhood, sorry if I came off like a jerk. Perhaps I am sensitive. Much love my friend
salmagnum 1 year ago
@salmagnum
No problem; I think we're talking about two different things; home schooling for exceptional kids is sometimes the better way to go. I have no problem with that.
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 Cool bro. The way I see it, ALL kids are exceptional, it's just how and how much they are worked with. The public institutions could never give children the type of individual attention a motivated parent can. Far easier to dump your kids at the public "daycare", that's why, from my experience, as someone who has met and mingled with hundreds (probably thousands) of homeschoolers, you HAVE to be an exceptional parent to homeschool. Exceptional parents tend to raise exceptional kids.
salmagnum 1 year ago
@jerico641 If the public school can teach only Darwin's THEORY of Evolution then a homeschool parent can teach only the THEORY of Creation. My son knows there is Darwin's THEORY of Evolution. How many public school kids, however, know there is the THEORY of Creationism? Scientists who come up with research that supports Evolution are treated with respect & get published. Those who come up with research that supports Creation are treated with disrespect & is attempted to be covered up.
AlbertaRose94 1 year ago
@AlbertaRose94
Well, I have to take a few issues witht his argument. First, a scientific theory is not a guess; it's composed of facts and ideas which have been thoroughly tested and peer reviewed. A couple of examples are the "theory" of gravity and the "theory" that the earth revolves around the sun. In Biology class it's taught because it's the best scientific explanation for the diversity of life on Earth. It doesn't "compete" with religion, and there is no accurate creation research.
jerico641 1 year ago
@AlbertaRose94 It's sad that you think a scientific "theory" and the colloquial form of the the word "theory" are equivalent.
In addendum, I've yet to see any substantiative evidence backing Creation theory besides the Bible (which, frankly, proves nothing).
tyler9225 1 year ago
@jerico641 Actually without even knowing it, I was taught relative morality while I was taught in public school. So actually the public schools teach a contempt for the idea of any higher being or any absolute truths. Without following laws (absolute truths) our society will deteriorate and quickly follow the likes of the Roman Empire.
dlandrews1 1 year ago
@dlandrews1
Just to be historically clear on something, let me point out that by our own standards of success, the Roman Empire was the most advanced (technologically and socially), enduring, most powerful nation state the word has ever known. On a realistic basis, the USA is just a baby compared to it. And I don't know where you went to school, but no teacher ever expressed contempt to me about any religious idea. In fact, I remember 2 of them having to be disciplined for preaching in class
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 "especially school kids"
Jerico641 is fascinated by school kids, which have the same affect upon him as Obama's speeches have upon Chris Mathews loins. Unfortunately for him, it is part of his parole that he not approach within 100 yards of any school where children are present.
RadarGuidedVermin 7 months ago
@coolmom9 Don't forget "We are good, Ameri---" nevermind, I was educated in a different country, from the early 70's to mid 80's. I suspect given that it was the Internet that deprogrammed me, kids aren't taught that way anymore.
AlbertaRose94 1 year ago
@WareWulf1408
Don't you see the irony there?
You've assigned an arbitary value on culture and have decided that you're more cultured than people participating in culture.
hellmelon666 1 year ago
@hellmelon666 Participating in culture? My homeschooled kids have gone to Egypt, India, Honduras, Mexico, Ghana, and over 40 states in the US--have you or yours read about the pyramids, or have they seen them like mine? Have you or yours read about the Varanassi river or have they ridden it like mine? You don't even have a clue about the benefits of homeschooling--stop being ignorant.
coolmom9 1 year ago
@WareWulf1408 For real. I didn't learn my sense of persona and cognitive perception by reading when Napoleon invaded, or when the Mayflower landed. I went through public school from start to seventh grade and gave up on public education when I noticed the children are all gangster wannabe jackasses (I one time said "hello" to another student and literally got a "shut the fuck up" response), and the teachers are, in more ways than one, fighting against the students.
RyleyAshford 1 year ago
@WareWulf1408 I envy you :) I was homeschooled until college and I still don't have the nerve to tell people I'm more cultured and educated than every public/private schooler I've ever known. Personally I've found that other homeschoolers aren't all that fun to hang around with due to their haughtiness.
blue4arekkusu 1 year ago
@WareWulf1408 You sound arrogant.
AquariaSpirit 1 year ago
@WareWulf1408 It is very important children are around other children so they learn the social things in life, which is very important. It is important they learn how to work together with other. What when they are older? can you prepare them for high-school certificate, so they can apply for the university?
globe255 1 year ago
@globe255 Yes, with my homeschooling I am able to track my son's grades and prepare him for high school. Every Tuesday our large group meets and learns how to teach for the next week. It makes learning fun for all! If I have difficulty teaching a subject, I have tutors and interactive DVDs that will help me do an effective job. Also, at church and in our neighborhood with afterschool activities my son gets plenty of socialization.
dlandrews1 1 year ago
@dlandrews1 Ok as long as you know you are capable to do it. It would be bad if the children would blame you after. I must say the public school system is in bad shape today, so therefore i think its a good idea with home schooling. You know there is too many mixed children in the public school (just my meaning).
globe255 1 year ago 2
@WareWulf1408 what are you up to these days?
BrendanIsCool 1 year ago
@WareWulf1408 That sounds extremely pretentious and closed-minded. Are you sure that considering yourself part of an elite group of people and generalizing all those with a different lifestyle than yourself is what falls under being "cultured" and "educated"?
chechezluvsgd 1 year ago 6
@WareWulf1408 OK smarty pants. How old is the earth?
mjh012363 1 year ago 11