..if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. Because finding fault with them, He says, 'Behold the days are coming,' says the LORD, 'when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah --' ...In that He says, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. (Hebrews 8:7-8, 13)
Who cn argue with the Bible? So allow the Bible to speak more about the Mark of the Beast:-
Exodus 13:3-10 Will show that the sign received in the Hand or Forehead is not only for those who keep the Passover & Feast of unleavened bread, but thoes who have ALL of Gods Laws on their lips.
9This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that the law of the Lord is to be on your lips. For the Lord brought you out of Egypt with his mighty hand.
Awesome, I've lost friends for spreading the 3rd angels message, but I don't shut up, its all over the car and all in my chatter. MULTITUDES, MULTITUDES not even smart enough to make any decision, just living this blemish assuring themselves of never being even...remembered, NBL
I worship everyday I can, my best friends are Baptist... Lol... But its sad because too many Christians try to say they love God, but dnt keep his commands... Especially the Sabbath he set aside for US!!!!!
@ ignorancecheck... Be careful what you day bfore you have complete understanding. 7th-Day Adventists dnt believe on one day of worship! It's just we know the Sabbath day is still meant to be kept holy.... No where in the word does it say that it has been changed... So dnt form me ill be fin Bruh.. jus continue studying, nd I pray God reveals to you the Truth!
It's amazing how otherwise educated adults give in to, and actually believe in the false promises and other BS they are fed at church and through these websites. A pure fabrication.
Has anyone here attempted verification of any of these religious claims? It's very amusing how deep the discussions can go, investigating only inside the beliefs and referring to the bible and other supporting documents ONLY. The only thing proven here is that it's a prime example of religious dogma at work.
The 'mark' is the RFID chip manufactured by Positive ID aka the 'verichip'. This video whilst correctly identifying the sabbath as Saturday and the pope as antichrist is not on the ball regarding the mark.
revelation was not written from the viewpoints of pre salvation therefore you are wrong about this being the mark of the beast however i do agree we need to keep to ALL the commandments.
"Day of the Lord" and "Lord's day" have completely different grammatical constructions. I know Sabbatarians love to quote this passage, but here's how the passage is supposed to read: ....If you call the Sabbath delightful, and the day sacred to "Yahweh"...you shall find your happiness in Yahweh. The word Lord was substituted in place of Yahweh because God's name was deemed too sacred to pronounce. That's not a viewpoint.
How come Saturday worshipers never get accused of worshiping on the day of Saturn? The New Testament mentions the word Sabbath 60 times, but never mentions it as a required day of worship for believers in Christ. Its one the "deeds" of the Law that are not binding on Christians.
@protochris, Hebrews 4 clearly states that there remains a day of rest on the seventh day for God's people and since Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath, then we should honor His practice of going to services on the Sabbath as was His custom. The Sabbath, not Sunday or Monday, was made for man.
@protochris, Christians do not worship Saturn but uphold God's 4th commandment of resting on the Sabbath day from Friday evening to Saturday evening @ sunset. There are 84 references to Sabbath services in the book of Acts alone. Regarding Sunday observance, no such commandment is given in the New Testament by Christ. So if we're not going to keep the Sabbath, we're breaking God's 4th commandment, which also contains the seal of God or His identity, thus we sin against Him. Not good!
@Habsfan0206 Of course Christians don't worship Saturn by worshiping on Saturday, no more than they worship the Sun by assembling on Sunday. The 4th commandment doesn't prescribe worship, only rest. Sunday was known to the early Christians as the Lord's day to worship Jesus long before the Roman empire made it a holiday in 312AD. This practice actually began on the day of Christ's resurrection. No doubt Jewish Christians continued the custom of worship on Saturday, just not the gentile converts.
@protochris, according to the Bible, Sunday was never known to the early Christians as the Lord's day to worship. Please look at the Youtube video 'Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath?What Day Is The Lord's Day?Who Changed The Sabbath?' It's a 3 part video. Presents of God ministry produced the video, which can also be watched on their video website at john1429.org.
@Habsfan0206 I'll get to the video, but, we first see this expression in Revelation where John says he was in the spirit on the" Kyriaki Imera" or Lord's day. We know from documents such as the didache written from the 1st century that Chrisitan communities assembled on the 1st day of the week calling it "the Lord's day". This was unique because it meant the day was actually given a name.
"You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we (The Roman Catholic Church) never sanctify."
The Catholic Cardinal Gibbons, in Faith of Our Fathers, pg. 111
@Nirky Looking, I'm not seeing "Saturday" either. I'm seeing "Six days you shall work and the seventh day is a Sabbath (rest) unto the Lord." If God tells you that the first six days are Sunday through Friday, that's your assignment ... maybe not mine.
@mythmanjay, Saturday is the Sabbath. In Spanish, Portuguese & Filipino, Saturday is Sabado; in Italian, it's sabato. God's commandments, including the 4th commandment regarding the 7th day Sabbath from Friday to Saturday evening sunset, are to be kept. Ecclesiastes 12:13, Matt. 19:17, John 14:15, 1 John 5:3 and Revelation 14:12, we are to keep God's 10 Commandments including 7th day Sabbath commandment. In Mark 2:27-28 and Hebrews 4, the 7th day Sabbath is made for man and still remains.
2). Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea, transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."
Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Converts Catechism of Catholic Doctrine Third Edition
Anytime, Habsfan. It can be a trying task, preaching truth directly from scripture to those whose ears are closed to hearing His Spirit and instead looking only for their own way, even while appeasing their own consciences by trying use God's word to justify their sinful ways. Paul said it best:
"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be." Rom 8:7
Have a wonderful Lord's Day, such as is remaining. God bless!
I guess I worship the beast because I love worshipping on Sunday, but at least I'm not alone. Cleopas in Luke chapter 24 and the rest of the disciples all worshipped on the 1st day, see luke 24:52. By this definition, most of Jesus early disciples were worshipers of the beast too. Wow, SDA's possess more wisdom than those early disciples.
@protochris, not alone? Are you happy then to see others in the predicament as you? Now that you know that God' day of rest is on the 7th day of the week, what are you going to do about it?
@protochris, if you look at the whole verse (Colossians 2:16), the verse talks about new moons, festivals and Sabbaths (plural) in reference to the Jewish holy days, which were part of the ceremonial law in Leviticus and should not be confounded with the weekly Sabbath, which still remains for the people of God (Hebrews 4). Further, Jesus did mention in John 14:15, If you love me, keep My commandments including the Sabbath day commandment or the 4th commandment in Exodus 20:8-11.
@Habsfan0206 "Sabbath" in Colossians is listed in the plural genitive, meaning it gets translated in the singular. This is why Paul doesn't say new moon(s), but moon or festival(s), but festival. He's speaking of each as an item. Sabbath in the singular gentive usually translates in the abstract, such as when Jesus said he is "Lord of the Sabbath and not Sabbath(s). The10 commandments also shows Sabbath in the plural form when God says to keep holy "the day" of the Sabbath(s).
@protochris, again, Sabbaths, along with the new moon and festival mentioned in Colossians 2:16 refer to the Jewish festivals and rituals in Leviticus, not the weekly Sabbath. In Exodus 20:8-11 and in Deuteronomy 5, there's no plural form for Sabbath. It's singular in reference to the weekly Sabbath, which is commanded by God to be kept. I have the New King James version of the Bible and nowhere is the Sabbath mentioned in its plural form in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy.
@Habsfan0206 Sabbath in plural form (ton sabbaton) will not show in an English translation for Exodus20; the Greek grammar is plural, but the meaning is singular. In Colossians when linked with a new moon, and a feast day, Sabbath(s) can translate as singular "Sabbath". When the bible specifically speaks of " The Sabbath day" or "the day of the Sabbath" (genitive), it's always in the grammatical plural. When it talks about "The Sabbath" as an event or a general subject, it's in the singular.
@Habsfan0206 It's only a stumblingblock if it's not required of gentile Christians and others might attempt to impose it. It would, for example, be a stumblingblock to someone who is a slave during that time and their master is not an Israelite. They would be forced to work on the Sabbath. This is why God commanded all Israel to follow the commandment. Paul said we are all one in Christ, bond or free. We know of course, the Pharisees abused the Sabbath into a stumblingblock.
@protochris, it's God's 4th commandment and again Jesus did say in John 14:15, 'if you love me, keep My commandments'. And again, Hebrews 4 does talk about a seventh day rest for the people of God. Even Jesus mentioned that He is Lord of the Sabbath. Revelation 14:12: here's the patience of the saints, here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. The 7th day Sabbath is here to stay; it's not been made obsolete by God anywhere in the New Testament. It is what it is!
@Habsfan0206 I didn't say it was obsolete, however, Gentiles were not previously included in the Old Covenant, so there was never a time they had to follow it. God said the Sabbath was given to Israel to remind them that he brought them out of Egypt. The Jerusalem council met in Act ch15 v18-20 to determine if the "works" of the law were required on Gentiles: The Sabbath wasn't mentioned, even circumcision wasn't imposed. Following that counsel, the Sabbath is never mentioned as a commandment.
@Habsfan0206 I believe it has to be kept by those to whom it was given. It is a sign of God's covenant with Israel. It would have been difficult to require it of those early Christians, because many were under Rome's calendar that did not have a 7 day week calendar until Constantine rose to power in the 4th century.
@protochris, the 7th day rest goes back to Genesis when God rested on the 7th day. In Exodus 16, God rained down manna to test the Israelites who kept the Sabbath (Exodus 16:30); this was before the covenant with the Israelites was made in Exodus 20. Ezekiel 20 talks about the lack of obedience by the Israelites who 'profaned' God's weekly Sabbaths. Since God does not change (Mal. 3:6) and since Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:27-28), we ought to obey Him rather than men (Acts 5:29).
@protochris, the weekly 7-day cycle has never been broken. Please go to webexhibitsdotorg, click on "calendars throughout the ages", then the "our week" tab to where it talks about the Sabbath and the weekly 7-day cycle, which was never broken.
@Habsfan0206 I'm not saying the cycle was broken, just not observed. The Roman government and it's citizens observed their time into 10-12 day periods of (ides, lunes, etc) . There was not an official Roman 7day weekly calendar until Constantine instituted it under his rule.
@protochris, please look at the Youtube video entitled 'Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath?What Day Is The Lord's Day?Who Changed The Sabbath? Part 1' (3 part series) produced by Presents of God ministry. Another video entitled "Sabbath Justified" can be found on this ministry's video website at john1429.org.
@protochris, since there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles in the New Testament, and the Sabbath was made for man (not just Jews), we ought to obey God rather men (Acts 5:29) and keep the Sabbath. Fact is, the first day of the week or Sunday was never commanded by Jesus, as the new day of rest, following His resurrection as witnessed by Paul and the apostles who kept the Sabbath. Again, according to Hebrews 4, the 7th day rest still (sabbatismos) still remains for the people of God.
@Habsfan0206 Acts 5:29 is about preaching the "good news" of Jesus Christ. Sunday(1st day) is not a day of rest, it's a day of worship; only the Sabbath is a day of rest. Jesus wouldn't have commanded worship on Sunday, this would run contrary to what Paul later said in Romans 14:5. The Father did command Jesus to have the power to decide when he was to be resurrected, John 10:18. Christ's early disciples elected to honor Christ on the day he chose. How do you interpret "remains" in Heb ch 4?
@protochris, the first 4 of God's commandments have to do with how and when we should worship Him. The 4th commandment speaks about the Sabbath, not Sunday, as the day of rest and worship. Nowhere in the New Testament is the 1st day of the week ever mentioned as the day of rest, worship or when services should be held. Again, for evidence, I invite you to look at the Youtube video entitled Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath?What Day Is The Lord's Day?Who Changed The Sabbath?
@Habsfan0206 The 4th commandment doesn't prescribe worship,just rest. The commandment for corporate worship or "holy convocation" came from the levitical law that we can both agree was nailed to the cross, in Col ch2. We do have anectodal evidence that the 1st day of the week was observed for worship. Luke 24:30-35, they broke bread with Christ, and verse 52 "They worshiped him", on Sunday. The Holy Spirt came on Pentecost-a Sunday. Acts 20:7, they came together on the 1st day, and 1st Cor 16:2.
@protochris, in Luke 24:30-35, they broke bread as in having a meal; in Luke 24:52, the disciples worshiped Jesus as He ascended to heaven. The Holy Spirit came on Pentecost on the first day of the week because God rested on the Sabbath day. In Acts 20:7, like in Luke 24:30-35, the disciples got together to break bread as in having a meal and in addressing the financial needs of the Christians in Jerusalem. In 1 Corinthians 16:2, again, it was about collecting money for the Christians in need.
@Habsfan0206 In Luke 24, "they" didn't break bread, verse 30 "He (Christ) broke the bread on the 1st day. verse 35, "He was known to them "in the breaking of bread". A meal isn't even mentioned, Jesus didn't stay around for it. This event hearkens back to the "breaking of bread" at the Lord's supper when Jesus said to do this in remembrance of him. If Christ is our example, then there should be no condemnation to those who observe this event on the same day Christ did. I'll look at the video.
@Habsfan0206 Would the Holy Spirit have been restricted because of the Sabbath? When Jesus healed on the Sabbath He said, My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.
@protochris, it is good to do good on the Sabbath and accordingly, Jesus healed people from their physical ailments. So, have you watched the video the Youtube video entitled 'Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath?What Day Is The Lord's Day?Who Changed The Sabbath?
@Habsfan0206, tell me have you watched the Youtube video entitled 'Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath?What Day Is The Lord's Day?Who Changed The Sabbath? All you're mentioning is addressed in the 3-part video. Had Jesus commanded us to keep a different day of rest and worship, He would have told us so in the same way He commanded us to keep the Sabbath day holy in Exodus 20:8-11 and in Deuteronomy 5:12-15. God's Commandments are in tact and must be kept: John 14:15, Revelation 14:12.
@protochris, Jesus resurrected on the 1st day of the week, rather than on the 7th-day Sabbath, because as mentioned in Genesis 2, God rested on the 7th day from His Creation. Please provide with Scripture that Christ's disciples choose to honor Christ the day He chose. Hebrews 4 speaks about a 7th-day rest that remains for the people of God, not a 1st day rest. Again, please look at the Youtube video entitled Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath?What Day Is The Lord's Day?Who Changed The Sabbath?
@Habsfan0206 The 7th day rest you speak about in Hebrews or "Sabbatismos" does not mean "remain" in the sense it's" left" for God's believers, rather it "remains" to be obtained. There are two words used for remains in the NT. That remains has a different meaning.
@protochris, the 7th-day Sabbath is a commandment of God and his Sabbath is a sign of an everlasting, perpetual covenant between God and His children. Exodus 31:16-17 & Ezekiel 20:20 support that concept. The Sabbath commandment contains the seal of God, His identity as Creator of the Universe, the earth, the sea and all that is in them and who rested on the seventh day and hallowed it. So why argue for Sunday observance when there's no Commandment by Jesus for its observance?
I know of no commandment that prohibits or condemns corporate worship on Sunday. The day is not celebrated by commandment, but as an observance of Christ and the resurrection. No one is commanded to celebrate a birthday or anniversary, they do it to honor and remember. Christ was not a lawgiver, for John says" The Law was given by Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. He only commanded that we love one another-his new commandment.
@Nirky This is just semantics. John says "Grace & Truth came "through" Christ. Using your terms, Christ was only the vehicle for Grace and Truth and not the Author of it. The word translated "Lawgiver" is used once in the NT, James 4:12, It follows by saying who are we to judge a brother. You might want to read it again. The term Lawgiver actually means someone who "establishes" the Law, that doesn't mean Moses never gave it. Mark 7:9,10 says God commanded and Moses spoke it (gave it).
Quoting God's word is never semantics. I can understand though how it might seem that way to some who attempt to it use as an excuse to justify their sin.
@Nirky I agree we should let the word of God stand on its own, Thank You, but we must quote all of it. Remember, Satan quoted God's word too, but he didn't include all of it.
@protochris, the 4th Commandment on keeping the Sabbath holy is perpetual covenant between God & His people (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12-20). Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath & the Sabbath was made for man (Mark 2:27-28); Heb. 4 talks about a 7th day rest remaining for the people of God. Jesus said "If you love Me, keep My Commandments"(John 14:15). Rev. 14:12 identifies God's children as those who keep His Commandments & the faith of Jesus. And you still want to worship on Sundays as pagans did?
@Habsfan0206 Hebrews chapter 4 does not speak about a 7th day rest for the people of God. That paragraph has been badly mangled from what the Greek text is actually saying. It only says "God rested on the 7th day" as an example of "entering his rest". The word that you use for "remains" does not mean presently remaining, it means remaining to be acquired later. If you want a clear definition, I'll explain it further. Jesus and his disciples worshiped on Sunday. Were they pagans too?
@protochris, no, I don't want your interpretation of Scripture. The 7th day rest remains for the people of God...that's all there is to it. Jesus and his disciples worshiped on Sunday? Scripture please.
@Habsfan0206 I gave you a litany of examples from Luke, gathering with Jesus, breaking bread etc. John 20:23, Christ gathers with the disciples on Sunday and commissions them, then gives the Holy Spirit to them with instruction on forgiveness of sin. After 8 days,(the next Sunday) Jesus allows Thomas to touch him, then Thomas declares "My Lord and My God". Sounds like assembly & worship to me. To condemn worship on Sunday is to condemn the activities of Christ and his disciples.
If we have faith in Him, we worship our Savior every day. The early church worshiped Him every day. Acts 2:46, Acts 5:42.
Habsfan is not condemning worshiping Jesus on any day of the week, he is simply asking where is it written in the Bible that the first day of the week is a special worship day, sanctified & holy like, the Lord's Day, Jesus' seventh Day is.
I know you believe in Sunday sanctity. Can therefore please show the Bible TEACHING concerning the first day of the week?
@Nirky I want to be clear then: You don't condemn those that gather on Sunday for worship? Christ was resurrected on Sunday and The Holy Spirit (Sanctifier) was given to the disciples and the church on Sunday, The day is made special because of what occured on it, just as the 7th day was holy because of what God did on it (rested). The OT feast days celebrated salvatory events like Passover, Pentecost, etc., Sunday is the NT feast day,.Thats why its called the "Lords day" in Rev ch 1.
I didn't see you reference a scripture. I'd like to see a first day of the week sanctity TEACHING.
Let me be even clearer, if that's possible.
I am looking for a New Testament scripture in which a writer, any writer, tells those who have faith in Christ to commemorate His death & resurrection keeping the first day of the week, Sunday, holy, or even to be kept just as a special day. Can you show such TEACHING?
@Nirky 1 Corinthians Ch 15, Paul states "The Gospel" whereby we are saved begins with Chris's death, and concludes with " Third Day" (Sunday) resurrection. The Sabbath day is not mentioned as part of the "gospel" of Jesus Christ, only Sunday (3rd day). If you want an official charge, commandment or teaching, It's not going to exist for Sunday or any day-including the Sabbath. You will not find one incident in the entire New Testament where a Gentile is required or commanded to keep Sabbath.
@Nirky I've never said it's essential, but it was undeniably a practice of the early church. You can read the didache from 64 AD where church instruction is given saying "to meet on the 1st day, Lord's day". This occured long before the claims of those who say Rome changed the day of worship. In 1Cor ch:16, Paul does charge to collect money on the 1st day of the week, after saying multiple times "when you come together".
I'm looking for a Biblical, not extra-Biblical teaching, concerning the first day of the week.
Who teaches that we are to commemorate our Lord Jesus' resurrection by keeping the first day of the week holy or special?
Let me give you an example of what i'm asking. Paul in Romans 6:4 and Col 2:12 TEACHES that our BAPTISM commemorates His death & resurrection. Does Paul, or any other writer, say the same thing regarding the first day of the week? Scripture and verse would be helpful..
@Nirky If you don't like extra-biblical information, then why all the extra-biblical talk about how the Catholic church changed Sabbath in the 4th century, which it didn't. Paul would not obsess about a special day, that's his whole message in Colossians chapter 2. This is why Paul told the Jerusalem church not to bother the Gentiles with the works of "The Law". The Gospel is not about a something or day, it's about a somebody-Jesus Christ.
The Catholic church admissions is of course to show others they failed, like you have, to find any Biblical evidence to support Sunday sanctity. The Roman church uses her change to Sunday sanctity as an evidence of her authority to change or modify a law of God.
Changing her tactics today, she now talks like apostate Protestantism, using your same un-scriptural argument--trying to justify Sunday sanctity via Christ's resurrection--but only to woo her "wayward" daughters back to her.
@Nirky The Catholic church honored Sunday because the 1st day was already celebrated as "The Lord's day" by Christians since the 1st century. If you want historical evidence, there's plenty of it. Sunday sanctity is circumstantial. The most significant post resurrection events occured on Sunday, not Sabbath. Paul says we're free to honor this day to the Lord, Romans 14:6. In the very least , it means Christians can walk as Christ did on Sunday. You have no biblical basis to call us sinners!
According to scripture, Jesus tells us the seventh day of the week is His Day, the Day He claims Lordship over. Mark 2:27-28. John says He has a Day. Rev 1:10. I have never read where Jesus taught that the day He rose from the dead would be a new Lord's Day. Neither did His apostles teach that. If you disagree, where is it in scripture?
I am still waiting for you to supply a Bible text teaching we commemorate His resurrection by keeping first day of the week holy or special.
@Nirky Jesus said, whenever two or more are gathered in his name, he is with them (worship). Paul in Romans says we have the freedom to regard one day above another, so long as it's to the Lord. Those texts are sufficient testimony from Jesus and Paul to cease any false teaching about Sunday worship as the "Mark of the Beast". The bible never speaks of Jesus "gathering" with his disciples on the Sabbath after his resurrection; They "gathered" on Sunday, His day-The Lord's day!
Your spin it is a popular one. But as Jesus gave Himself to save me, I am looking for scriptural TEACHING from Him, from His word.
"And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.” Mark 2:27-28
The seventh day, the Day He made by resting in it after creating the world and everything in it in 6 days, is the Day Jesus claims Lordship of. Sunday is never called His day, only His Sabbath.
@Nirky The Sabbath was made for man, but so is Marriage, eyeglass, wigs, and medicine, but they're not for everyone. Christ didn't say he was "The Lord" of the Sabbath, he said he was Lord of the Sabbath. He's not showing a relationship to the Sabbath such as "The Lord" of the vineyard as in his parable, but rather that the Sabbath was subject to his authority, not otherwise.
“For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the[Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible.”
Catholic Virginian Oct. 3, 1947, p. 9, art. “To Tell You the Truth.”
@Nirky This is not correct. The Catholic church never changed Sabbath, it's always been Saturday. Don't know the source here. The custom of worship on Sunday began in Apostolic times, the decree to gather on Sunday came shortly afterwards. This is evident in several 1st and 2nd century documents. Wow!, 1947, you have anything more current?
“But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.”
James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, The Faith of Our Fathers, 88th ed., pp. 89.
@Nirky I think that Cardinal existed over 200 yrs ago, no matter. What he's saying is that New Testament church (guided by the Holy Spirit) didn't sanctify Saturday, it had already been sanctified. God sanctified and blessed the 7th day in creation. Now, the commandment to rest on Saturday was never required to be kept by the Gentiles, not even our Father Abraham. We are Saints (sanctified ones), We're free to worship the One who sanctifies us any day.
@protochris, Sunday was 'sanctified' by the sun-worshiping, pagan Roman emperor, Constantine, in 321, followed by the pagan Roman church in 364. As mentioned before, God rested on the Sabbath and 'worked' on the other days of the week including the first day of the week. The RC and protestant churches have admitted that there's no scriptural support for Sunday rest / worship, which is the day of sun gods Mithra and Baal. I'd rather rest and worship on God's Sabbath, not the one of pagan gods.
@Habsfan0206 Yes, and Saturday was for those worshipping the god Saturn, so those who worship on Saturday must be worshipping another god too? I don't care if they worshipped humpty dumpty in the 4th century, the historical facts are that Christians for 300 years before worshipped on Sunday and called it the Lord's day. Constantine wasn't in sight. You need historical perspective for your claims.
@protochris, your argument is quite deceitful. The 7th-Sabbath is God's Sabbath (re: 4th commandment); so those who worship on the 7th day Sabbath worship God the Creator, not on the venerable day of the sun. In previous messages, I've provided historical events and the year they happened regarding events about the Sabbath being banned or replaced by a counterfeit pagan Sabbath by Roman authorities e.g. Hadrian in 135, Constantine in 321 and the pagan Roman church in 364. Those are the facts.
@Habsfan02 As I've told someone else, why is it that you insist on something being in scripture to prove it's truthfulness, but you readily reach for a historical event outside of it to support a belief. The fact is that Christ was resurrected, gave the Spirit, broke bread and blessed it with his disciples, the re-appeared the next Sunday to visit Thomas-all on a Sunday. That's the Christian basis for Sunday worship. Neither of us can control what happens in a pagan religion centuries later.
@protochris, to borrow Nirky's material, "you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation & you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we (Catholic Church) never sanctify." Cardinal Gibbons, Faith of Our Fathers, p. 111. If the Roman church admits that the Bible supports the observance of the 7th day Sabbath, then why disobey God on when we should worship Him? God is the Boss, not man.
The reason for keeping God's law, His Ten Commandments, is that they define what constitutes sin. Rom 3:20. Having been saved only by His grace, I cannot go back and live a sinful lifestyle, which killed me in the first place. Rom 6:1-4 I cite evidence only to support Biblical doctrine. You have used it to attempt to CREATE Biblical doctrine where there isn't any.
If you disagree, please show the Bible TEACHING the first day of the week commemorates Jesus' death & resurrection.
@Nirky I worry for the 7th day adventists they need to spend more time on salvation than continually spreading that it all revolves around which day you worship the LORD. I worship him everyday! How many will be decieved by the strong delusion from their church>? It worries me.
I worship Him everyday also. But He made and set aside one special day to cease from all our normal activities and draw closer to Him, His Day, the Lord's Day! Mark 2:27-28, Rev 1:10. That's why it is His 4th Commandment. Jesus says "If you love Me, keep My Commandments". John 14:15
If the Christian church was being deceived into breaking another of God's Commandments, then His remnant church would be exposing that error. God bless.
@Nirky Col 2:14-17 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."
@devin92005 Read Ephesians 2:15 that should explain to you it was referring to the commandments contained in ordinances. Deuteronomy 31:26 (the book of the law) contained them. It sat next to the ark, which contained? 2 Kings 8:9 will explain that for you. The Jewish ceremonial calendar had many New Moon and sabbaths other than the weekly Sabbath. Colossian 2 speaks of these special ceremonial “holy days” - not the weekly Sabbath, which is part of the Decalogue (God’s summary of his moral law).
How can you read Colossians 2 and state that it is not speaking of the weekly sabbath? Is there another sabbath that i am unaware of? I do not condone one that upholds the sabbath customs, because they do it to the glory of God. The point I am making is that when Christ brought the new law he did away with the old. I fear you are not rightly dividing the word of truth. Read Romans 7:1-6, Christ set us free from the old law, which was imperfect, and can not save us from sin.
@devin92005 Click on this video & reread the 3 posts I sent you. Your message is rhetorical & I already explained it. Do you mind explaining to me the new law? What is written in your heart? to do what? With Christ living through you, having faith which is simply not believing, but knowing that He is present in your life & with you to call on everyday. Coming back, how is Christ working through you? What is written in your heart? Have you not read? What did He write in your heart? His starts w/C
The old law was between God and Israel, as well as the sabbath(Exodus 31:13) The new law is between God and whoever answers his call. We know it as the new testament.(remember that Jesus lived under the old Law, so some of his teachings applied to the Jews under the Old Testament.) The change happened when Christ was sacrificed. Even the theif on the cross was forgiven under the old law.
@OriahLivingston Paul taught in Galatians 5:1-4 that if we keep one part of the law we are obliged to keep it all. This would include animal sacrifices, burning incense, stoning those who disobey. The old law was a prophecy of the new law, or the plan of salvation which was to come, which was fulfilled when Christ conquered death and bought the church with his life
@devin92005 Lol it gets so repetitive talking to people like you who don't get the difference between the mosaic/ceremonial laws & God's law. They are not intertwined as the law. They are separate & the entire new law is summed in 2 commandments. Love your God & love your neighbor which is just restating His 10 like duh man. Light bulb on? If they are written in your heart like it says in the "new testament" you have God working through you & you are keeping them. Reread this 10x if you need to.
@devin92005 How can you read Hebrews chapter 4 after Colossians & not get that if you are one of Gods people, you will observe the Sabbath which remains as it says? So evidently the sabbaths you are referring to were ceremonial related not thee Sabbath. You can't throw out 1 commandment & expect to have any of the others present in your heart. What ever God speaks is the truth, He can't lie. He wrote those commandments in your heart to follow. If He is working in you, I don't see why you resist.
Luke 22:19 "And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me." So the Lord's Supper is in remembrance of his sacrifice, when are we to partake?
Acts 20:7 "And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight"
"And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart...". Acts 2:46
The early church worshiped on every day and broke bread every day. That's what they did. The first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and the sixth day they worshiped and broke bread.
But Jesus, and therefore they, TAUGHT the sanctity and holiness of only one Day, the Sabbath, the Lord's Day. Mk 2:27-28, Rev 1:10.
@Nirky You make a good point that the early Christians worshipped daily, however I believe you are taking Mk 2 out of context, Christ seems to be contradicting the Sabbath if you read verses 25 and 26. Rev 1:10 says the Lord's day, not the sabbath, and it has never been the Jewish custom to call the sabbath the Lord's day. Romans 14:5-6 teaches us that whatever day we choose is right for worship, and Colossians 2:16-17 warns us not to judge each other on this choice.
Col 2:16-17 pertains to those laws which were "a shadow of things to come." The laws that shadowed the coming of Christ were the "handwritings of ordinances" the laws that Moses wrote in Leviticus and Deuteronomy, NOT the Ten Commandments which define sin (1 John 3:4) and Jesus said to keep (Jn 14:15) and satan would war against (Rev 12:17) and "think to change" (Dan 7:25) and define Truth (Isa 8:20 & 1 John 2:3-4). Rom 14:5-6 pertains to these laws that were done away, not the Ten Comm.
@devin92005 If you use the Sabbath Nirky spoke of in Mark 2:27-28, you'll see the context meant it was given for you. The word Sabbath means intermission in the Hebrew. If you use your day to sanctify the Lord instead and speak His words, you receive the heritage of Israel. (Isaiah 58:13,14) in response to Romans14:5-6 makes it clear that means Sabbath worship. Hebrews 4:4-11, if you rest in Christ, you rest as He did on His day and it's a day of rest for God's people. Matthew 12:8-it's His day.
@devin92005 Revelation 1:10, to clarify (ran out of room on the other post), speaks of Matthew 12:8 (which I listed before) and Mark 6:5. If you are stuck on which day that is, Look at Exodus 20:10 or Deuteronomy 5:14, read also the end of the next verse 15. Never been custom to call that day His you say? Whatever you choose is right for you, read like I said before Isaiah 58:13 and 14 and see what the Lord has to say about choosing that day to do it.
I see in verses 20-28 that Jesus has become the firstfruits of those who are asleep in death, that He is first in the order of those who rise, Jesus reigning in His Kingdom, destroying His enemies, even the last enemy, death, because He rose.
I see in verses 29-34 that since He rose, we are His, and if we are His, we kill the old man of sin daily, living righteously.
I see in vs 35-49 the two natures we choose to have, either the earthly, carnal nature we had before accepting Christ, or accepting Him and letting Him live in us.
And I see in vs 50-58 I see references to Jesus' second coming, and our change in the twinkling of an eyes, and it is Jesus who gives us victory over sin, and death is finally destroyed.
That's 1 Cor 15 summed up. I don't see Paul even mentioning the first day of the week, let alone teaching we keep it to commemorate Jesus' resurrection.
So I must ask you again, can you please show a scripture TEACHING in which a writer, any writer, tells those who have faith in Christ to commemorate His death & resurrection keeping the first day of the week, Sunday, holy, or even to be kept just as a special day.
@Nirky Please also be clear, do you condemn(call them sinners) those that elect to have corporate worship on Sunday. If so, explain to me how our Lord worshiped with his disciples on that day, yet you condemn those who follow in his footsteps. Show me where God condemns Sunday corporate worship. We do have extrabiblical evidence of the church in 64ad requiring Sunday worship.
@protochris, to be oblivious towards the rest & worship on the Sabbath is to condemn God's 4th commandment. Eccl. 12:13, Matt. 19:17, John 14:15, 1 John 5:3 & Rev. 14:12 all point to obedience to God's 10 Commandments including the Sabbath commandment (Heb. 4). As Peter admonished: We rather obey God than men (Acts 5:29). Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath & Hebrews 4 supports the notion that the 7th day rest remains for the people of God. Why then not follow what God commanded us in the Bible?
@Habsfan0206 I viewed Pt1 on the video, and certainly have disagreements. Claim1, the Apostolic church has never claimed Sunday as a Sabbath, 2 From 1 Cor 11:17, Paul speaks of "coming together for communion, worship etc, then concludes with description of the offering "on the 1st day of the week", Paul wants collection of money taken at the weekly service, instead of at one time on his arrival. 3. The Lord's day refers to Christ's resurrection day, just as the Lord's supper was his meal.
@protochris, the Lord's day does not refer to Christ's resurrection day; in fact, God, in Isaiah 58:13, calls the Sabbath "my holy day" and "holy of the Lord"; it is not Sunday. The Lord's supper was the Passover that Jesus celebrated with His disciples. Jesus said that He was the Lord of the Sabbath, not of the 1st day of the week! Is Jesus the Lord of the first day of the week? Where in the NT did He command a change in the day of rest from the 7th day to the first?
@Habsfan0206 John said He was in the Spirit on the Lord's day. The Spirit arrived at creation on the 1st day, The Spirit was breathed on the Apostoles on "The 1st day", the Spirit was given to the church on "The 1st day", Paul said Christ was "raised in the Spirit" on the 1st day. What day is the Lord's day?
@protochris, Jesus stated "if you love Me, keep my Commandments" (John 14:15) and they are listed in Exodus 20 & Deuteronomy 5 whereby the first 4 are about how & when to worship God; the last 6 are civil laws on how to interact with others. To say that Jesus "only commanded that we love one another-his new commandment" is not accurate and is deceitful. We are saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus, ,which along with keeping His Commandments, identifies us as God's children (Rev. 14:12).
@Habsfan0206 Commandments is used quite loosely. The 10 commandments were not first called commandments, but oracles or words of God. They were later called 10 commandments to distinguish them from the other commandments. Jesus would not have given commandments to his disciples for Exodus and Deut. They already had these commandments, remember" the Law (commandments) was already given through Moses". His commandments would have been apart from those. His consolidate as one-Love one another.
@protochris, the laws of God are not the same as those of Moses and the ceremonial laws. God's commandments stand forever. His Commandments on how we should worship God and love our neighbor are detailed in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5. They are validated in the NT in Matt. 19:17; John 14:15; 1 John 5:3, Revelation 14:12. They reflect God's character and personality: love, just, faithfulness, etc. and shall stand forever. They are not meant for one's feel-good misinterpretation.
Okay. Chilling Awesome, but no. Who decides 'when the first day is' and 'when the seventh is'? YOU DO, by starting to work on the first day, working for six days, and then not working the seventh.
During that rest, you only think about how Awesome the FSM is for allowing you to get all the stuff you got somehow over the six days; it matters how, but not on the seventh day it doesn't.
And where do they get "Sunday" from "Six-hundred, three-score and six"?
The seven day weekly cycle has never been broken since before the days when Jesus walked the earth, according to astronomers, like the US Naval Observatory. As long as Jesus, and the Jews, knew what day was the seventh day, we can have full confidence the day we call the seventh day today, Saturday, is the same 7th day in an unbroken cycle.
@Nirky 'Six days shall he work' ... meaning that if you start on the third day, it's a SIN to take Sabbath on the seventh day because you still have two days' work to do before you've reached a Sabbath!
As for the first day of the week, Sunday, it has nothing directly to do with 666; 666 is the number of the beast's name, or title. Rev ch13.
Sunday worship--in place of worship of the Creator of heaven and earth, the seas and fountains of waters--will soon be enforced, therefore it has to do with the beast's mark of authority. It is vital to understand the IDENTITY of the beast in order to know what her mark is.
@Nirky Revelation 13:18 KJV is where I see it, with description of 2 beasts: 1 in verse 2 (empowered by the dragon), & 1 in verse eleven (the second one excercising the power of the first & ENFORCING "the mark of the beast")
'I think I understand' (which probably ALSO has "the number of a man: 6-hundred 3-score & 6") that the number of 'they who put themselves in Christ's place' (or whatever the vid said) claim control over their creation (the 7 day week), so-if we choose ANY day-they Mark Us
@mythmanjay, Sunday is the 1st day of the week; the Sabbath is the 7th day of the week. Please check any reference book e.g. Dictionary, encyclopedia, etc.
@Habsfan0206 "Our Father ... thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven." Do they measure time in Heaven? How; by the length of time IT takes to turn? ... anyway, if God tells you to trust the books and to advise your disciples to do the same, you're doing well.
@mythmanjay, for God, a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day. The fact remains that, according to the 4th commandment, the 7th day, not your 7th day or anybody else's, is the Lord's Day (Isaiah 58); it's the commanded day of rest. If Jesus, who is the Lord, mentioned that if we love Him, we should be keeping His commandments, then we should be resting on that day!
@mythmanjay, reference books point to Sunday as the first day of the week. Saturday in Spanish, Portuguese and Filipino is Sabado; in Italian, it's Sabato. Sounds like Sabbath to me.
THE TRUTH OF THIS VIDEO IS GREAT!!!...THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HAVE THE CHIP....BUT IF YOUR WILLING TO PUT GOD TO THE TEST BECAUSE YOUR TO NIEVE TO SEE EVERYTHING AROUND YOU THAT HE GAVE TO US!!! HIS CHILDREN, MADE IN HIS IMAGE.. ITS WE WHO DESTROY OURSELVES!!! WITH THE CHOICES WE ARE FREE TO MAKE EACH DAY. EVIL EXISTS AS WELL... NOW ITS YOUR CHOICE TO TAKE THE PATH AT THE RIGHT HAND THAT LEADS TO GOD...OR...YOU CAN FOLLOW SATAN...WHICH LIVES IN AAAAALLLLOOOOTTTT OF THE RICH AND FAMOUS.
The BIBLE is the MARK of the BEAST! Constantine (1st beast) legalized Christianity and had 50 bibles compiled. King James, homo (2nd beast) 666 # of a man, born 1566, 6th of Scotland, authorized 66 book bible, an image of God's word. You carry it in your hand, you memorize it in your head, you make it speak (the bible says). You use it as an object of worship. You break the new covenant of God by having faith in the bible instead of Jesus by the Holy Ghost. Your Faith will fail.
@RepaireroftheBreach why would you use a GREEK word (Pentecost) to defend your position on a JUDAIC festival? Dismissing Lunar Sabbaths because of mistranslated concepts (such as using the word "god") is a stumbling block I hope you recover from...
Read the Genesis account of creation. On the seventh day God rested from all His works. Therefore He blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it. Gen 2:2-3 God tells us a "day" is a 24-hour period having a morning and an evening. Gen 1:3, 8, 13. The earth rotates around its axis and is illuminated by the sun God made on the 4th day, so earth rotation + sunlight gives us a Biblical day, reckoned from evening to evening (Lev 23:32, Mark 15:42).
"Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world." John 11:9
I'm sorry that was not obvious enough. If you really need further clarification of how long a day is, read also verse 10.
"Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But if one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.” John 11:9-10
So that's what God reveals about His creation, and His Sabbath. So after the seventh day, what happens? The weekly cycle starts all over again:
"Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb." Matt 28:1
Neither the account of His creation, nor the 4th commandment in Exodus 20 tell us the moon has anything whatsoever to do with His seventh day Sabbath; it is the sun which has a part in the commandment. God bless.
Lev 23:7 In the first day you shall have a holy convocation: you shall do no work therein.
Exd 12:16 And in the first day there shall be a holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
@ALadAndHisLamp the Lunar Sabbath concepts are unbiblical. The feast sabbaths were reckoned by the moons, not the seventh day Sabbaths. This was every 7th day from creation onward. The Lunar Sabbath concept is proven false by the feast of weeks (Lev 23) where God instructed that they count 7 Sabbaths, and the day after was PENTEcost (meaning 50, the 50th day). Seven Sabbaths = 49 days, proving one Sabbath every seven days. A lunar Sabbath would've been 56 about days or more by that reckoning.
Aren't you violating the 4th commandment 2 or 3 days out of every month, even if the rest of your premise is correct? Yahweh is much more precise in His reckoning and the Lunar Calendar is folly.
Aren't you violating the 4th commandment 2 or 3 days out of every month, even if the rest of your premise is correct? Yahweh is much more precise in His reckoning and the Lunar Calendar is folly.
The SDA church is the ONLY CHURCH that is honest & genuine about God & His word. Are you aware that WITHOUT LINKING the TIME PROPHECY of Dan 9:24 of the 70 weeks, WITHOUT LINKING it to the VISION of Dan 8, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE ESP to the Jews that Dan 9:25-27 is talking about THE MESSIAH??
The link btn Dan 9 & Dan 8 is the ONLY PROOF we have to show the Jews that their Tanach actually teaches of a MAN-GOD appearing on earth as the Moshiach!
..if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. Because finding fault with them, He says, 'Behold the days are coming,' says the LORD, 'when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah --' ...In that He says, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. (Hebrews 8:7-8, 13)
devin92005 1 month ago
Who cn argue with the Bible? So allow the Bible to speak more about the Mark of the Beast:-
Exodus 13:3-10 Will show that the sign received in the Hand or Forehead is not only for those who keep the Passover & Feast of unleavened bread, but thoes who have ALL of Gods Laws on their lips.
9This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that the law of the Lord is to be on your lips. For the Lord brought you out of Egypt with his mighty hand.
delawarecop 1 month ago
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dj9968210 1 month ago
Awesome, I've lost friends for spreading the 3rd angels message, but I don't shut up, its all over the car and all in my chatter. MULTITUDES, MULTITUDES not even smart enough to make any decision, just living this blemish assuring themselves of never being even...remembered, NBL
rockprophecy 2 months ago
I worship everyday I can, my best friends are Baptist... Lol... But its sad because too many Christians try to say they love God, but dnt keep his commands... Especially the Sabbath he set aside for US!!!!!
chiorpoet 5 months ago
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chiorpoet 5 months ago
@ ignorancecheck... Be careful what you day bfore you have complete understanding. 7th-Day Adventists dnt believe on one day of worship! It's just we know the Sabbath day is still meant to be kept holy.... No where in the word does it say that it has been changed... So dnt form me ill be fin Bruh.. jus continue studying, nd I pray God reveals to you the Truth!
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It's amazing how otherwise educated adults give in to, and actually believe in the false promises and other BS they are fed at church and through these websites. A pure fabrication.
Has anyone here attempted verification of any of these religious claims? It's very amusing how deep the discussions can go, investigating only inside the beliefs and referring to the bible and other supporting documents ONLY. The only thing proven here is that it's a prime example of religious dogma at work.
d993s 7 months ago
The 'mark' is the RFID chip manufactured by Positive ID aka the 'verichip'. This video whilst correctly identifying the sabbath as Saturday and the pope as antichrist is not on the ball regarding the mark.
WTU208 8 months ago
@WTU208 is sadly too proud to know the truth... GOD BLESS
LazeCharlez 5 months ago in playlist Repairer of the Breach
revelation was not written from the viewpoints of pre salvation therefore you are wrong about this being the mark of the beast however i do agree we need to keep to ALL the commandments.
Ignorancecheck 9 months ago
"Day of the Lord" and "Lord's day" have completely different grammatical constructions. I know Sabbatarians love to quote this passage, but here's how the passage is supposed to read: ....If you call the Sabbath delightful, and the day sacred to "Yahweh"...you shall find your happiness in Yahweh. The word Lord was substituted in place of Yahweh because God's name was deemed too sacred to pronounce. That's not a viewpoint.
protochris 11 months ago
How come Saturday worshipers never get accused of worshiping on the day of Saturn? The New Testament mentions the word Sabbath 60 times, but never mentions it as a required day of worship for believers in Christ. Its one the "deeds" of the Law that are not binding on Christians.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, Hebrews 4 clearly states that there remains a day of rest on the seventh day for God's people and since Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath, then we should honor His practice of going to services on the Sabbath as was His custom. The Sabbath, not Sunday or Monday, was made for man.
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@protochris, Christians do not worship Saturn but uphold God's 4th commandment of resting on the Sabbath day from Friday evening to Saturday evening @ sunset. There are 84 references to Sabbath services in the book of Acts alone. Regarding Sunday observance, no such commandment is given in the New Testament by Christ. So if we're not going to keep the Sabbath, we're breaking God's 4th commandment, which also contains the seal of God or His identity, thus we sin against Him. Not good!
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 Of course Christians don't worship Saturn by worshiping on Saturday, no more than they worship the Sun by assembling on Sunday. The 4th commandment doesn't prescribe worship, only rest. Sunday was known to the early Christians as the Lord's day to worship Jesus long before the Roman empire made it a holiday in 312AD. This practice actually began on the day of Christ's resurrection. No doubt Jewish Christians continued the custom of worship on Saturday, just not the gentile converts.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, according to the Bible, Sunday was never known to the early Christians as the Lord's day to worship. Please look at the Youtube video 'Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath?What Day Is The Lord's Day?Who Changed The Sabbath?' It's a 3 part video. Presents of God ministry produced the video, which can also be watched on their video website at john1429.org.
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 I'll get to the video, but, we first see this expression in Revelation where John says he was in the spirit on the" Kyriaki Imera" or Lord's day. We know from documents such as the didache written from the 1st century that Chrisitan communities assembled on the 1st day of the week calling it "the Lord's day". This was unique because it meant the day was actually given a name.
protochris 11 months ago
great video. thanks and subbed. i hope you upload more like it. God bless you vm,
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indibabs122275 11 months ago
"You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we (The Roman Catholic Church) never sanctify."
The Catholic Cardinal Gibbons, in Faith of Our Fathers, pg. 111
Nirky 11 months ago 8
@Nirky Looking, I'm not seeing "Saturday" either. I'm seeing "Six days you shall work and the seventh day is a Sabbath (rest) unto the Lord." If God tells you that the first six days are Sunday through Friday, that's your assignment ... maybe not mine.
mythmanjay 11 months ago
@mythmanjay, Saturday is the Sabbath. In Spanish, Portuguese & Filipino, Saturday is Sabado; in Italian, it's sabato. God's commandments, including the 4th commandment regarding the 7th day Sabbath from Friday to Saturday evening sunset, are to be kept. Ecclesiastes 12:13, Matt. 19:17, John 14:15, 1 John 5:3 and Revelation 14:12, we are to keep God's 10 Commandments including 7th day Sabbath commandment. In Mark 2:27-28 and Hebrews 4, the 7th day Sabbath is made for man and still remains.
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
1). "Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.
2). Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea, transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."
Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Converts Catechism of Catholic Doctrine Third Edition
Nirky 11 months ago 2
@Nirky, bingo! Exactly! The proof is in the pudding!
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Nirky, thank you for speaking the truth about the transference of God's 7th day Sabbath to the first day of the week by the Roman church.
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206
Anytime, Habsfan. It can be a trying task, preaching truth directly from scripture to those whose ears are closed to hearing His Spirit and instead looking only for their own way, even while appeasing their own consciences by trying use God's word to justify their sinful ways. Paul said it best:
"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be." Rom 8:7
Have a wonderful Lord's Day, such as is remaining. God bless!
Nirky 11 months ago 8
I guess I worship the beast because I love worshipping on Sunday, but at least I'm not alone. Cleopas in Luke chapter 24 and the rest of the disciples all worshipped on the 1st day, see luke 24:52. By this definition, most of Jesus early disciples were worshipers of the beast too. Wow, SDA's possess more wisdom than those early disciples.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, not alone? Are you happy then to see others in the predicament as you? Now that you know that God' day of rest is on the 7th day of the week, what are you going to do about it?
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 I will let no man judge me regarding a.... Sabbath, Colossians ch 2, v16.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, if you look at the whole verse (Colossians 2:16), the verse talks about new moons, festivals and Sabbaths (plural) in reference to the Jewish holy days, which were part of the ceremonial law in Leviticus and should not be confounded with the weekly Sabbath, which still remains for the people of God (Hebrews 4). Further, Jesus did mention in John 14:15, If you love me, keep My commandments including the Sabbath day commandment or the 4th commandment in Exodus 20:8-11.
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 "Sabbath" in Colossians is listed in the plural genitive, meaning it gets translated in the singular. This is why Paul doesn't say new moon(s), but moon or festival(s), but festival. He's speaking of each as an item. Sabbath in the singular gentive usually translates in the abstract, such as when Jesus said he is "Lord of the Sabbath and not Sabbath(s). The10 commandments also shows Sabbath in the plural form when God says to keep holy "the day" of the Sabbath(s).
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, again, Sabbaths, along with the new moon and festival mentioned in Colossians 2:16 refer to the Jewish festivals and rituals in Leviticus, not the weekly Sabbath. In Exodus 20:8-11 and in Deuteronomy 5, there's no plural form for Sabbath. It's singular in reference to the weekly Sabbath, which is commanded by God to be kept. I have the New King James version of the Bible and nowhere is the Sabbath mentioned in its plural form in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy.
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 Sabbath in plural form (ton sabbaton) will not show in an English translation for Exodus20; the Greek grammar is plural, but the meaning is singular. In Colossians when linked with a new moon, and a feast day, Sabbath(s) can translate as singular "Sabbath". When the bible specifically speaks of " The Sabbath day" or "the day of the Sabbath" (genitive), it's always in the grammatical plural. When it talks about "The Sabbath" as an event or a general subject, it's in the singular.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, so what are you suggesting then regarding the Sabbath?
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 I believe as it says in Romans ch 14, v 13 "let us not judge one another, not to put a stumbling block in our brother's way".
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, so God's Commandment of keeping the Sabbath is a stumbling block?
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 It's only a stumblingblock if it's not required of gentile Christians and others might attempt to impose it. It would, for example, be a stumblingblock to someone who is a slave during that time and their master is not an Israelite. They would be forced to work on the Sabbath. This is why God commanded all Israel to follow the commandment. Paul said we are all one in Christ, bond or free. We know of course, the Pharisees abused the Sabbath into a stumblingblock.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, it's God's 4th commandment and again Jesus did say in John 14:15, 'if you love me, keep My commandments'. And again, Hebrews 4 does talk about a seventh day rest for the people of God. Even Jesus mentioned that He is Lord of the Sabbath. Revelation 14:12: here's the patience of the saints, here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. The 7th day Sabbath is here to stay; it's not been made obsolete by God anywhere in the New Testament. It is what it is!
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 I didn't say it was obsolete, however, Gentiles were not previously included in the Old Covenant, so there was never a time they had to follow it. God said the Sabbath was given to Israel to remind them that he brought them out of Egypt. The Jerusalem council met in Act ch15 v18-20 to determine if the "works" of the law were required on Gentiles: The Sabbath wasn't mentioned, even circumcision wasn't imposed. Following that counsel, the Sabbath is never mentioned as a commandment.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, so are you suggesting that the Sabbath not be kept, as commanded in the 4th commandment?
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 I believe it has to be kept by those to whom it was given. It is a sign of God's covenant with Israel. It would have been difficult to require it of those early Christians, because many were under Rome's calendar that did not have a 7 day week calendar until Constantine rose to power in the 4th century.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, the 7th day rest goes back to Genesis when God rested on the 7th day. In Exodus 16, God rained down manna to test the Israelites who kept the Sabbath (Exodus 16:30); this was before the covenant with the Israelites was made in Exodus 20. Ezekiel 20 talks about the lack of obedience by the Israelites who 'profaned' God's weekly Sabbaths. Since God does not change (Mal. 3:6) and since Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:27-28), we ought to obey Him rather than men (Acts 5:29).
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@protochris, the weekly 7-day cycle has never been broken. Please go to webexhibitsdotorg, click on "calendars throughout the ages", then the "our week" tab to where it talks about the Sabbath and the weekly 7-day cycle, which was never broken.
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 I'm not saying the cycle was broken, just not observed. The Roman government and it's citizens observed their time into 10-12 day periods of (ides, lunes, etc) . There was not an official Roman 7day weekly calendar until Constantine instituted it under his rule.
protochris 11 months ago
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@protochris, please look at the Youtube video entitled 'Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath?What Day Is The Lord's Day?Who Changed The Sabbath? Part 1' (3 part series) produced by Presents of God ministry. Another video entitled "Sabbath Justified" can be found on this ministry's video website at john1429.org.
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@protochris, since there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles in the New Testament, and the Sabbath was made for man (not just Jews), we ought to obey God rather men (Acts 5:29) and keep the Sabbath. Fact is, the first day of the week or Sunday was never commanded by Jesus, as the new day of rest, following His resurrection as witnessed by Paul and the apostles who kept the Sabbath. Again, according to Hebrews 4, the 7th day rest still (sabbatismos) still remains for the people of God.
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 Acts 5:29 is about preaching the "good news" of Jesus Christ. Sunday(1st day) is not a day of rest, it's a day of worship; only the Sabbath is a day of rest. Jesus wouldn't have commanded worship on Sunday, this would run contrary to what Paul later said in Romans 14:5. The Father did command Jesus to have the power to decide when he was to be resurrected, John 10:18. Christ's early disciples elected to honor Christ on the day he chose. How do you interpret "remains" in Heb ch 4?
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, the first 4 of God's commandments have to do with how and when we should worship Him. The 4th commandment speaks about the Sabbath, not Sunday, as the day of rest and worship. Nowhere in the New Testament is the 1st day of the week ever mentioned as the day of rest, worship or when services should be held. Again, for evidence, I invite you to look at the Youtube video entitled Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath?What Day Is The Lord's Day?Who Changed The Sabbath?
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 The 4th commandment doesn't prescribe worship,just rest. The commandment for corporate worship or "holy convocation" came from the levitical law that we can both agree was nailed to the cross, in Col ch2. We do have anectodal evidence that the 1st day of the week was observed for worship. Luke 24:30-35, they broke bread with Christ, and verse 52 "They worshiped him", on Sunday. The Holy Spirt came on Pentecost-a Sunday. Acts 20:7, they came together on the 1st day, and 1st Cor 16:2.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, in Luke 24:30-35, they broke bread as in having a meal; in Luke 24:52, the disciples worshiped Jesus as He ascended to heaven. The Holy Spirit came on Pentecost on the first day of the week because God rested on the Sabbath day. In Acts 20:7, like in Luke 24:30-35, the disciples got together to break bread as in having a meal and in addressing the financial needs of the Christians in Jerusalem. In 1 Corinthians 16:2, again, it was about collecting money for the Christians in need.
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 In Luke 24, "they" didn't break bread, verse 30 "He (Christ) broke the bread on the 1st day. verse 35, "He was known to them "in the breaking of bread". A meal isn't even mentioned, Jesus didn't stay around for it. This event hearkens back to the "breaking of bread" at the Lord's supper when Jesus said to do this in remembrance of him. If Christ is our example, then there should be no condemnation to those who observe this event on the same day Christ did. I'll look at the video.
protochris 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 Would the Holy Spirit have been restricted because of the Sabbath? When Jesus healed on the Sabbath He said, My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.
protochris 11 months ago
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@protochris, it is good to do good on the Sabbath and accordingly, Jesus healed people from their physical ailments. So, have you watched the video the Youtube video entitled 'Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath?What Day Is The Lord's Day?Who Changed The Sabbath?
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206, tell me have you watched the Youtube video entitled 'Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath?What Day Is The Lord's Day?Who Changed The Sabbath? All you're mentioning is addressed in the 3-part video. Had Jesus commanded us to keep a different day of rest and worship, He would have told us so in the same way He commanded us to keep the Sabbath day holy in Exodus 20:8-11 and in Deuteronomy 5:12-15. God's Commandments are in tact and must be kept: John 14:15, Revelation 14:12.
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@protochris, Jesus resurrected on the 1st day of the week, rather than on the 7th-day Sabbath, because as mentioned in Genesis 2, God rested on the 7th day from His Creation. Please provide with Scripture that Christ's disciples choose to honor Christ the day He chose. Hebrews 4 speaks about a 7th-day rest that remains for the people of God, not a 1st day rest. Again, please look at the Youtube video entitled Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath?What Day Is The Lord's Day?Who Changed The Sabbath?
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 The 7th day rest you speak about in Hebrews or "Sabbatismos" does not mean "remain" in the sense it's" left" for God's believers, rather it "remains" to be obtained. There are two words used for remains in the NT. That remains has a different meaning.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, the 7th-day Sabbath is a commandment of God and his Sabbath is a sign of an everlasting, perpetual covenant between God and His children. Exodus 31:16-17 & Ezekiel 20:20 support that concept. The Sabbath commandment contains the seal of God, His identity as Creator of the Universe, the earth, the sea and all that is in them and who rested on the seventh day and hallowed it. So why argue for Sunday observance when there's no Commandment by Jesus for its observance?
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
I know of no commandment that prohibits or condemns corporate worship on Sunday. The day is not celebrated by commandment, but as an observance of Christ and the resurrection. No one is commanded to celebrate a birthday or anniversary, they do it to honor and remember. Christ was not a lawgiver, for John says" The Law was given by Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. He only commanded that we love one another-his new commandment.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris
You are misquoting scripture like your friend.
"For the law was given THROUGH Moses..." John 1:17. Moses was not the Lawgiver.
The Lawgiver is also the One who gives grace and truth.
"For the LORD is our Judge, The LORD is our Lawgiver, The LORD is our King; He will save us." Isa 33:22
Paul taught the early church we commemorate His death & resurrection by BAPTISM. Rom 6:4. As for Sunday, Paul says nothing.
Nirky 11 months ago
@Nirky This is just semantics. John says "Grace & Truth came "through" Christ. Using your terms, Christ was only the vehicle for Grace and Truth and not the Author of it. The word translated "Lawgiver" is used once in the NT, James 4:12, It follows by saying who are we to judge a brother. You might want to read it again. The term Lawgiver actually means someone who "establishes" the Law, that doesn't mean Moses never gave it. Mark 7:9,10 says God commanded and Moses spoke it (gave it).
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris
Quoting God's word is never semantics. I can understand though how it might seem that way to some who attempt to it use as an excuse to justify their sin.
Nirky 11 months ago
@Nirky I agree we should let the word of God stand on its own, Thank You, but we must quote all of it. Remember, Satan quoted God's word too, but he didn't include all of it.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, the 4th Commandment on keeping the Sabbath holy is perpetual covenant between God & His people (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12-20). Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath & the Sabbath was made for man (Mark 2:27-28); Heb. 4 talks about a 7th day rest remaining for the people of God. Jesus said "If you love Me, keep My Commandments"(John 14:15). Rev. 14:12 identifies God's children as those who keep His Commandments & the faith of Jesus. And you still want to worship on Sundays as pagans did?
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 Hebrews chapter 4 does not speak about a 7th day rest for the people of God. That paragraph has been badly mangled from what the Greek text is actually saying. It only says "God rested on the 7th day" as an example of "entering his rest". The word that you use for "remains" does not mean presently remaining, it means remaining to be acquired later. If you want a clear definition, I'll explain it further. Jesus and his disciples worshiped on Sunday. Were they pagans too?
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, no, I don't want your interpretation of Scripture. The 7th day rest remains for the people of God...that's all there is to it. Jesus and his disciples worshiped on Sunday? Scripture please.
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 I gave you a litany of examples from Luke, gathering with Jesus, breaking bread etc. John 20:23, Christ gathers with the disciples on Sunday and commissions them, then gives the Holy Spirit to them with instruction on forgiveness of sin. After 8 days,(the next Sunday) Jesus allows Thomas to touch him, then Thomas declares "My Lord and My God". Sounds like assembly & worship to me. To condemn worship on Sunday is to condemn the activities of Christ and his disciples.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris
If we have faith in Him, we worship our Savior every day. The early church worshiped Him every day. Acts 2:46, Acts 5:42.
Habsfan is not condemning worshiping Jesus on any day of the week, he is simply asking where is it written in the Bible that the first day of the week is a special worship day, sanctified & holy like, the Lord's Day, Jesus' seventh Day is.
I know you believe in Sunday sanctity. Can therefore please show the Bible TEACHING concerning the first day of the week?
Nirky 11 months ago
@Nirky I want to be clear then: You don't condemn those that gather on Sunday for worship? Christ was resurrected on Sunday and The Holy Spirit (Sanctifier) was given to the disciples and the church on Sunday, The day is made special because of what occured on it, just as the 7th day was holy because of what God did on it (rested). The OT feast days celebrated salvatory events like Passover, Pentecost, etc., Sunday is the NT feast day,.Thats why its called the "Lords day" in Rev ch 1.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris
I didn't see you reference a scripture. I'd like to see a first day of the week sanctity TEACHING.
Let me be even clearer, if that's possible.
I am looking for a New Testament scripture in which a writer, any writer, tells those who have faith in Christ to commemorate His death & resurrection keeping the first day of the week, Sunday, holy, or even to be kept just as a special day. Can you show such TEACHING?
Nirky 11 months ago 2
@Nirky 1 Corinthians Ch 15, Paul states "The Gospel" whereby we are saved begins with Chris's death, and concludes with " Third Day" (Sunday) resurrection. The Sabbath day is not mentioned as part of the "gospel" of Jesus Christ, only Sunday (3rd day). If you want an official charge, commandment or teaching, It's not going to exist for Sunday or any day-including the Sabbath. You will not find one incident in the entire New Testament where a Gentile is required or commanded to keep Sabbath.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris
Thanks for a scripture reference.
I see in 1 Corinthians chapter 15 verses 1-11 Paul shows evidence of His rising, that we can have total confidence in His resurrection.
I see in verses 12-19 that He is our hope, that just as He died, He rose, likewise we die, yet if we are His we will rise just as He did.
Nirky 11 months ago
@Nirky You're right, chapter 15 tells us what the gospel of Jesus Christ is all about. That's the whole essential message.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris
I agree. So where in 1 Corinthians 15 does Paul teach it is essential that we keep the first day of the week in commemoration of His resurrection?
Nirky 11 months ago
@Nirky I've never said it's essential, but it was undeniably a practice of the early church. You can read the didache from 64 AD where church instruction is given saying "to meet on the 1st day, Lord's day". This occured long before the claims of those who say Rome changed the day of worship. In 1Cor ch:16, Paul does charge to collect money on the 1st day of the week, after saying multiple times "when you come together".
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris
I'm looking for a Biblical, not extra-Biblical teaching, concerning the first day of the week.
Who teaches that we are to commemorate our Lord Jesus' resurrection by keeping the first day of the week holy or special?
Let me give you an example of what i'm asking. Paul in Romans 6:4 and Col 2:12 TEACHES that our BAPTISM commemorates His death & resurrection. Does Paul, or any other writer, say the same thing regarding the first day of the week? Scripture and verse would be helpful..
Nirky 11 months ago
@Nirky If you don't like extra-biblical information, then why all the extra-biblical talk about how the Catholic church changed Sabbath in the 4th century, which it didn't. Paul would not obsess about a special day, that's his whole message in Colossians chapter 2. This is why Paul told the Jerusalem church not to bother the Gentiles with the works of "The Law". The Gospel is not about a something or day, it's about a somebody-Jesus Christ.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris
The Catholic church admissions is of course to show others they failed, like you have, to find any Biblical evidence to support Sunday sanctity. The Roman church uses her change to Sunday sanctity as an evidence of her authority to change or modify a law of God.
Changing her tactics today, she now talks like apostate Protestantism, using your same un-scriptural argument--trying to justify Sunday sanctity via Christ's resurrection--but only to woo her "wayward" daughters back to her.
Nirky 11 months ago
@Nirky The Catholic church honored Sunday because the 1st day was already celebrated as "The Lord's day" by Christians since the 1st century. If you want historical evidence, there's plenty of it. Sunday sanctity is circumstantial. The most significant post resurrection events occured on Sunday, not Sabbath. Paul says we're free to honor this day to the Lord, Romans 14:6. In the very least , it means Christians can walk as Christ did on Sunday. You have no biblical basis to call us sinners!
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris
According to scripture, Jesus tells us the seventh day of the week is His Day, the Day He claims Lordship over. Mark 2:27-28. John says He has a Day. Rev 1:10. I have never read where Jesus taught that the day He rose from the dead would be a new Lord's Day. Neither did His apostles teach that. If you disagree, where is it in scripture?
I am still waiting for you to supply a Bible text teaching we commemorate His resurrection by keeping first day of the week holy or special.
Nirky 11 months ago
@Nirky Jesus said, whenever two or more are gathered in his name, he is with them (worship). Paul in Romans says we have the freedom to regard one day above another, so long as it's to the Lord. Those texts are sufficient testimony from Jesus and Paul to cease any false teaching about Sunday worship as the "Mark of the Beast". The bible never speaks of Jesus "gathering" with his disciples on the Sabbath after his resurrection; They "gathered" on Sunday, His day-The Lord's day!
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris
Your spin it is a popular one. But as Jesus gave Himself to save me, I am looking for scriptural TEACHING from Him, from His word.
"And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.” Mark 2:27-28
The seventh day, the Day He made by resting in it after creating the world and everything in it in 6 days, is the Day Jesus claims Lordship of. Sunday is never called His day, only His Sabbath.
Nirky 11 months ago
@Nirky The Sabbath was made for man, but so is Marriage, eyeglass, wigs, and medicine, but they're not for everyone. Christ didn't say he was "The Lord" of the Sabbath, he said he was Lord of the Sabbath. He's not showing a relationship to the Sabbath such as "The Lord" of the vineyard as in his parable, but rather that the Sabbath was subject to his authority, not otherwise.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris
From our Catholic friends:
“For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the[Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible.”
Catholic Virginian Oct. 3, 1947, p. 9, art. “To Tell You the Truth.”
Nirky 11 months ago
@Nirky This is not correct. The Catholic church never changed Sabbath, it's always been Saturday. Don't know the source here. The custom of worship on Sunday began in Apostolic times, the decree to gather on Sunday came shortly afterwards. This is evident in several 1st and 2nd century documents. Wow!, 1947, you have anything more current?
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris
Again, our Catholic friends:
“But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.”
James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, The Faith of Our Fathers, 88th ed., pp. 89.
Nirky 11 months ago
@Nirky I think that Cardinal existed over 200 yrs ago, no matter. What he's saying is that New Testament church (guided by the Holy Spirit) didn't sanctify Saturday, it had already been sanctified. God sanctified and blessed the 7th day in creation. Now, the commandment to rest on Saturday was never required to be kept by the Gentiles, not even our Father Abraham. We are Saints (sanctified ones), We're free to worship the One who sanctifies us any day.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, Sunday was 'sanctified' by the sun-worshiping, pagan Roman emperor, Constantine, in 321, followed by the pagan Roman church in 364. As mentioned before, God rested on the Sabbath and 'worked' on the other days of the week including the first day of the week. The RC and protestant churches have admitted that there's no scriptural support for Sunday rest / worship, which is the day of sun gods Mithra and Baal. I'd rather rest and worship on God's Sabbath, not the one of pagan gods.
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 Yes, and Saturday was for those worshipping the god Saturn, so those who worship on Saturday must be worshipping another god too? I don't care if they worshipped humpty dumpty in the 4th century, the historical facts are that Christians for 300 years before worshipped on Sunday and called it the Lord's day. Constantine wasn't in sight. You need historical perspective for your claims.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, your argument is quite deceitful. The 7th-Sabbath is God's Sabbath (re: 4th commandment); so those who worship on the 7th day Sabbath worship God the Creator, not on the venerable day of the sun. In previous messages, I've provided historical events and the year they happened regarding events about the Sabbath being banned or replaced by a counterfeit pagan Sabbath by Roman authorities e.g. Hadrian in 135, Constantine in 321 and the pagan Roman church in 364. Those are the facts.
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan02 As I've told someone else, why is it that you insist on something being in scripture to prove it's truthfulness, but you readily reach for a historical event outside of it to support a belief. The fact is that Christ was resurrected, gave the Spirit, broke bread and blessed it with his disciples, the re-appeared the next Sunday to visit Thomas-all on a Sunday. That's the Christian basis for Sunday worship. Neither of us can control what happens in a pagan religion centuries later.
protochris 11 months ago
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@protochris, to borrow Nirky's material, "you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation & you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we (Catholic Church) never sanctify." Cardinal Gibbons, Faith of Our Fathers, p. 111. If the Roman church admits that the Bible supports the observance of the 7th day Sabbath, then why disobey God on when we should worship Him? God is the Boss, not man.
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@protochris
The reason for keeping God's law, His Ten Commandments, is that they define what constitutes sin. Rom 3:20. Having been saved only by His grace, I cannot go back and live a sinful lifestyle, which killed me in the first place. Rom 6:1-4 I cite evidence only to support Biblical doctrine. You have used it to attempt to CREATE Biblical doctrine where there isn't any.
If you disagree, please show the Bible TEACHING the first day of the week commemorates Jesus' death & resurrection.
Nirky 11 months ago 19
@Nirky I worry for the 7th day adventists they need to spend more time on salvation than continually spreading that it all revolves around which day you worship the LORD. I worship him everyday! How many will be decieved by the strong delusion from their church>? It worries me.
Ignorancecheck 9 months ago
@Ignorancecheck
You need not worry. Just follow Jesus.
I worship Him everyday also. But He made and set aside one special day to cease from all our normal activities and draw closer to Him, His Day, the Lord's Day! Mark 2:27-28, Rev 1:10. That's why it is His 4th Commandment. Jesus says "If you love Me, keep My Commandments". John 14:15
If the Christian church was being deceived into breaking another of God's Commandments, then His remnant church would be exposing that error. God bless.
Nirky 9 months ago 11
@Nirky Col 2:14-17 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."
devin92005 1 month ago in playlist The Mark of the Beast
@devin92005 Read Ephesians 2:15 that should explain to you it was referring to the commandments contained in ordinances. Deuteronomy 31:26 (the book of the law) contained them. It sat next to the ark, which contained? 2 Kings 8:9 will explain that for you. The Jewish ceremonial calendar had many New Moon and sabbaths other than the weekly Sabbath. Colossian 2 speaks of these special ceremonial “holy days” - not the weekly Sabbath, which is part of the Decalogue (God’s summary of his moral law).
OriahLivingston 1 month ago
How can you read Colossians 2 and state that it is not speaking of the weekly sabbath? Is there another sabbath that i am unaware of? I do not condone one that upholds the sabbath customs, because they do it to the glory of God. The point I am making is that when Christ brought the new law he did away with the old. I fear you are not rightly dividing the word of truth. Read Romans 7:1-6, Christ set us free from the old law, which was imperfect, and can not save us from sin.
devin92005 1 month ago
@devin92005 Click on this video & reread the 3 posts I sent you. Your message is rhetorical & I already explained it. Do you mind explaining to me the new law? What is written in your heart? to do what? With Christ living through you, having faith which is simply not believing, but knowing that He is present in your life & with you to call on everyday. Coming back, how is Christ working through you? What is written in your heart? Have you not read? What did He write in your heart? His starts w/C
OriahLivingston 1 month ago
The old law was between God and Israel, as well as the sabbath(Exodus 31:13) The new law is between God and whoever answers his call. We know it as the new testament.(remember that Jesus lived under the old Law, so some of his teachings applied to the Jews under the Old Testament.) The change happened when Christ was sacrificed. Even the theif on the cross was forgiven under the old law.
devin92005 1 month ago
@OriahLivingston Paul taught in Galatians 5:1-4 that if we keep one part of the law we are obliged to keep it all. This would include animal sacrifices, burning incense, stoning those who disobey. The old law was a prophecy of the new law, or the plan of salvation which was to come, which was fulfilled when Christ conquered death and bought the church with his life
devin92005 1 month ago
@devin92005 Lol it gets so repetitive talking to people like you who don't get the difference between the mosaic/ceremonial laws & God's law. They are not intertwined as the law. They are separate & the entire new law is summed in 2 commandments. Love your God & love your neighbor which is just restating His 10 like duh man. Light bulb on? If they are written in your heart like it says in the "new testament" you have God working through you & you are keeping them. Reread this 10x if you need to.
OriahLivingston 1 month ago
@devin92005 Already responded to this below lol
OriahLivingston 1 month ago
@devin92005 How can you read Hebrews chapter 4 after Colossians & not get that if you are one of Gods people, you will observe the Sabbath which remains as it says? So evidently the sabbaths you are referring to were ceremonial related not thee Sabbath. You can't throw out 1 commandment & expect to have any of the others present in your heart. What ever God speaks is the truth, He can't lie. He wrote those commandments in your heart to follow. If He is working in you, I don't see why you resist.
OriahLivingston 1 month ago
@OriahLivingston 1 Kings 8:9 btw sorry.
OriahLivingston 1 month ago
@Nirky Hers's that biblical proof you wanted:
Luke 22:19 "And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me." So the Lord's Supper is in remembrance of his sacrifice, when are we to partake?
Acts 20:7 "And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight"
devin92005 1 month ago in playlist The Mark of the Beast
@devin92005
"And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart...". Acts 2:46
The early church worshiped on every day and broke bread every day. That's what they did. The first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and the sixth day they worshiped and broke bread.
But Jesus, and therefore they, TAUGHT the sanctity and holiness of only one Day, the Sabbath, the Lord's Day. Mk 2:27-28, Rev 1:10.
Nirky 1 month ago 2
@Nirky You make a good point that the early Christians worshipped daily, however I believe you are taking Mk 2 out of context, Christ seems to be contradicting the Sabbath if you read verses 25 and 26. Rev 1:10 says the Lord's day, not the sabbath, and it has never been the Jewish custom to call the sabbath the Lord's day. Romans 14:5-6 teaches us that whatever day we choose is right for worship, and Colossians 2:16-17 warns us not to judge each other on this choice.
devin92005 1 month ago
Col 2:16-17 pertains to those laws which were "a shadow of things to come." The laws that shadowed the coming of Christ were the "handwritings of ordinances" the laws that Moses wrote in Leviticus and Deuteronomy, NOT the Ten Commandments which define sin (1 John 3:4) and Jesus said to keep (Jn 14:15) and satan would war against (Rev 12:17) and "think to change" (Dan 7:25) and define Truth (Isa 8:20 & 1 John 2:3-4). Rom 14:5-6 pertains to these laws that were done away, not the Ten Comm.
RepaireroftheBreach 1 month ago
@devin92005 If you use the Sabbath Nirky spoke of in Mark 2:27-28, you'll see the context meant it was given for you. The word Sabbath means intermission in the Hebrew. If you use your day to sanctify the Lord instead and speak His words, you receive the heritage of Israel. (Isaiah 58:13,14) in response to Romans14:5-6 makes it clear that means Sabbath worship. Hebrews 4:4-11, if you rest in Christ, you rest as He did on His day and it's a day of rest for God's people. Matthew 12:8-it's His day.
OriahLivingston 1 month ago
@devin92005 Revelation 1:10, to clarify (ran out of room on the other post), speaks of Matthew 12:8 (which I listed before) and Mark 6:5. If you are stuck on which day that is, Look at Exodus 20:10 or Deuteronomy 5:14, read also the end of the next verse 15. Never been custom to call that day His you say? Whatever you choose is right for you, read like I said before Isaiah 58:13 and 14 and see what the Lord has to say about choosing that day to do it.
OriahLivingston 1 month ago
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protochris 11 months ago
@protochris
I see in verses 20-28 that Jesus has become the firstfruits of those who are asleep in death, that He is first in the order of those who rise, Jesus reigning in His Kingdom, destroying His enemies, even the last enemy, death, because He rose.
I see in verses 29-34 that since He rose, we are His, and if we are His, we kill the old man of sin daily, living righteously.
Nirky 11 months ago
@protochris
I see in vs 35-49 the two natures we choose to have, either the earthly, carnal nature we had before accepting Christ, or accepting Him and letting Him live in us.
And I see in vs 50-58 I see references to Jesus' second coming, and our change in the twinkling of an eyes, and it is Jesus who gives us victory over sin, and death is finally destroyed.
Nirky 11 months ago
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@protochris
That's 1 Cor 15 summed up. I don't see Paul even mentioning the first day of the week, let alone teaching we keep it to commemorate Jesus' resurrection.
So I must ask you again, can you please show a scripture TEACHING in which a writer, any writer, tells those who have faith in Christ to commemorate His death & resurrection keeping the first day of the week, Sunday, holy, or even to be kept just as a special day.
Nirky 11 months ago
@Nirky Please also be clear, do you condemn(call them sinners) those that elect to have corporate worship on Sunday. If so, explain to me how our Lord worshiped with his disciples on that day, yet you condemn those who follow in his footsteps. Show me where God condemns Sunday corporate worship. We do have extrabiblical evidence of the church in 64ad requiring Sunday worship.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, to be oblivious towards the rest & worship on the Sabbath is to condemn God's 4th commandment. Eccl. 12:13, Matt. 19:17, John 14:15, 1 John 5:3 & Rev. 14:12 all point to obedience to God's 10 Commandments including the Sabbath commandment (Heb. 4). As Peter admonished: We rather obey God than men (Acts 5:29). Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath & Hebrews 4 supports the notion that the 7th day rest remains for the people of God. Why then not follow what God commanded us in the Bible?
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@protochris, did you watch the Youtube video Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath?What Day Is The Lord's Day?Who Changed The Sabbath?
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 I viewed Pt1 on the video, and certainly have disagreements. Claim1, the Apostolic church has never claimed Sunday as a Sabbath, 2 From 1 Cor 11:17, Paul speaks of "coming together for communion, worship etc, then concludes with description of the offering "on the 1st day of the week", Paul wants collection of money taken at the weekly service, instead of at one time on his arrival. 3. The Lord's day refers to Christ's resurrection day, just as the Lord's supper was his meal.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, the Lord's day does not refer to Christ's resurrection day; in fact, God, in Isaiah 58:13, calls the Sabbath "my holy day" and "holy of the Lord"; it is not Sunday. The Lord's supper was the Passover that Jesus celebrated with His disciples. Jesus said that He was the Lord of the Sabbath, not of the 1st day of the week! Is Jesus the Lord of the first day of the week? Where in the NT did He command a change in the day of rest from the 7th day to the first?
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 John said He was in the Spirit on the Lord's day. The Spirit arrived at creation on the 1st day, The Spirit was breathed on the Apostoles on "The 1st day", the Spirit was given to the church on "The 1st day", Paul said Christ was "raised in the Spirit" on the 1st day. What day is the Lord's day?
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, either it's your viewpoint (man) or God's opinion (Isaiah 58:13). As always, I stick with God.
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@protochris, Jesus stated "if you love Me, keep my Commandments" (John 14:15) and they are listed in Exodus 20 & Deuteronomy 5 whereby the first 4 are about how & when to worship God; the last 6 are civil laws on how to interact with others. To say that Jesus "only commanded that we love one another-his new commandment" is not accurate and is deceitful. We are saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus, ,which along with keeping His Commandments, identifies us as God's children (Rev. 14:12).
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 Commandments is used quite loosely. The 10 commandments were not first called commandments, but oracles or words of God. They were later called 10 commandments to distinguish them from the other commandments. Jesus would not have given commandments to his disciples for Exodus and Deut. They already had these commandments, remember" the Law (commandments) was already given through Moses". His commandments would have been apart from those. His consolidate as one-Love one another.
protochris 11 months ago
@protochris, the laws of God are not the same as those of Moses and the ceremonial laws. God's commandments stand forever. His Commandments on how we should worship God and love our neighbor are detailed in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5. They are validated in the NT in Matt. 19:17; John 14:15; 1 John 5:3, Revelation 14:12. They reflect God's character and personality: love, just, faithfulness, etc. and shall stand forever. They are not meant for one's feel-good misinterpretation.
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
THIS VIDEO IS SO GREAT PRAISE THE FATHER, HALLELUYAH
rickydepths1 1 year ago 2
Okay. Chilling Awesome, but no. Who decides 'when the first day is' and 'when the seventh is'? YOU DO, by starting to work on the first day, working for six days, and then not working the seventh.
During that rest, you only think about how Awesome the FSM is for allowing you to get all the stuff you got somehow over the six days; it matters how, but not on the seventh day it doesn't.
And where do they get "Sunday" from "Six-hundred, three-score and six"?
mythmanjay 1 year ago
@mythmanjay
The seven day weekly cycle has never been broken since before the days when Jesus walked the earth, according to astronomers, like the US Naval Observatory. As long as Jesus, and the Jews, knew what day was the seventh day, we can have full confidence the day we call the seventh day today, Saturday, is the same 7th day in an unbroken cycle.
Nirky 1 year ago
@Nirky 'Six days shall he work' ... meaning that if you start on the third day, it's a SIN to take Sabbath on the seventh day because you still have two days' work to do before you've reached a Sabbath!
mythmanjay 1 year ago
@mythmanjay
As for the first day of the week, Sunday, it has nothing directly to do with 666; 666 is the number of the beast's name, or title. Rev ch13.
Sunday worship--in place of worship of the Creator of heaven and earth, the seas and fountains of waters--will soon be enforced, therefore it has to do with the beast's mark of authority. It is vital to understand the IDENTITY of the beast in order to know what her mark is.
Nirky 1 year ago 5
@Nirky Revelation 13:18 KJV is where I see it, with description of 2 beasts: 1 in verse 2 (empowered by the dragon), & 1 in verse eleven (the second one excercising the power of the first & ENFORCING "the mark of the beast")
'I think I understand' (which probably ALSO has "the number of a man: 6-hundred 3-score & 6") that the number of 'they who put themselves in Christ's place' (or whatever the vid said) claim control over their creation (the 7 day week), so-if we choose ANY day-they Mark Us
mythmanjay 1 year ago
@Nirky, you're bang on!! Well written!
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@mythmanjay, Sunday is the 1st day of the week; the Sabbath is the 7th day of the week. Please check any reference book e.g. Dictionary, encyclopedia, etc.
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@Habsfan0206 "Our Father ... thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven." Do they measure time in Heaven? How; by the length of time IT takes to turn? ... anyway, if God tells you to trust the books and to advise your disciples to do the same, you're doing well.
mythmanjay 11 months ago
@mythmanjay, for God, a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day. The fact remains that, according to the 4th commandment, the 7th day, not your 7th day or anybody else's, is the Lord's Day (Isaiah 58); it's the commanded day of rest. If Jesus, who is the Lord, mentioned that if we love Him, we should be keeping His commandments, then we should be resting on that day!
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@mythmanjay, reference books point to Sunday as the first day of the week. Saturday in Spanish, Portuguese and Filipino is Sabado; in Italian, it's Sabato. Sounds like Sabbath to me.
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
(2) ULTIMATELY THE CHOICE IS YOUR OWN. AND WILL LAST FOR ETERNITY!!!
Realize7Real7Eyez7 1 year ago 2
THE TRUTH OF THIS VIDEO IS GREAT!!!...THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HAVE THE CHIP....BUT IF YOUR WILLING TO PUT GOD TO THE TEST BECAUSE YOUR TO NIEVE TO SEE EVERYTHING AROUND YOU THAT HE GAVE TO US!!! HIS CHILDREN, MADE IN HIS IMAGE.. ITS WE WHO DESTROY OURSELVES!!! WITH THE CHOICES WE ARE FREE TO MAKE EACH DAY. EVIL EXISTS AS WELL... NOW ITS YOUR CHOICE TO TAKE THE PATH AT THE RIGHT HAND THAT LEADS TO GOD...OR...YOU CAN FOLLOW SATAN...WHICH LIVES IN AAAAALLLLOOOOTTTT OF THE RICH AND FAMOUS.
Realize7Real7Eyez7 1 year ago 2
@RepaireroftheBreachch would you respond to my private message, please?
simpleicon 1 year ago
The BIBLE is the MARK of the BEAST! Constantine (1st beast) legalized Christianity and had 50 bibles compiled. King James, homo (2nd beast) 666 # of a man, born 1566, 6th of Scotland, authorized 66 book bible, an image of God's word. You carry it in your hand, you memorize it in your head, you make it speak (the bible says). You use it as an object of worship. You break the new covenant of God by having faith in the bible instead of Jesus by the Holy Ghost. Your Faith will fail.
bibleis666 1 year ago
@RepaireroftheBreach why would you use a GREEK word (Pentecost) to defend your position on a JUDAIC festival? Dismissing Lunar Sabbaths because of mistranslated concepts (such as using the word "god") is a stumbling block I hope you recover from...
ALadAndHisLamp 1 year ago
@ALadAndHisLamp
Read the Genesis account of creation. On the seventh day God rested from all His works. Therefore He blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it. Gen 2:2-3 God tells us a "day" is a 24-hour period having a morning and an evening. Gen 1:3, 8, 13. The earth rotates around its axis and is illuminated by the sun God made on the 4th day, so earth rotation + sunlight gives us a Biblical day, reckoned from evening to evening (Lev 23:32, Mark 15:42).
Nirky 1 year ago
@Nirky Where is '24 hours' in scripture?!
The SUN's place in the mazzaroth determines which MONTH.
The MOON's first sighting is the BEGINNING of that month.
Just like a GIANT CLOCK...
The day is reckoned from the evening because THAT is when the MOON is seen for the FIRST DAY of the MONTH.
A little research and lot less assumption from the PAGAN sun calendar (SUNday) and you will see this yourself.
ALadAndHisLamp 1 year ago
@ALadAndHisLamp
Ask and ye shall receive.
"Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world." John 11:9
Nirky 1 year ago
@Nirky
That accounts for 12 parts of the day...but where are the other 12?
Is there ALWAYS exactly 12 parts to the day?
And the concept of "hour" is based on the 36 decans of Egypt.
In the book of Enoch, it says there are 18 parts to the day.
And why do you use the name "Jesus"? Isn't that a Greek name meaning "Hail, Zeus"?
Why not use the orginal Hebrew name of Yasha'Hawa (English, Joshua)?
ALadAndHisLamp 1 year ago
@ALadAndHisLamp
I'm sorry that was not obvious enough. If you really need further clarification of how long a day is, read also verse 10.
"Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But if one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.” John 11:9-10
Nirky 1 year ago
So that's what God reveals about His creation, and His Sabbath. So after the seventh day, what happens? The weekly cycle starts all over again:
"Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb." Matt 28:1
Neither the account of His creation, nor the 4th commandment in Exodus 20 tell us the moon has anything whatsoever to do with His seventh day Sabbath; it is the sun which has a part in the commandment. God bless.
Nirky 1 year ago
DO NOT TAKE THE RFID CHIP
supernova1800 1 year ago
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Lev 23:7 In the first day you shall have a holy convocation: you shall do no work therein.
Exd 12:16 And in the first day there shall be a holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
LOOK LIKE SATURDAY WAS ALSO A DAY OF REST
Dwrancho144 1 year ago
Sunday AND Saturday belong to the GREGORIAN CALENDAR, so named for POPE GREGORY.
The TRUE SABBATH was reckoned by the SUN AND NEW MOONS, not a CALCULATED CALENDAR.
To adhere to Saturday worship is to STILL FOLLOW THE CATHOLIC CALENDRIC SYSTEM.
ALadAndHisLamp 1 year ago
@ALadAndHisLamp the Lunar Sabbath concepts are unbiblical. The feast sabbaths were reckoned by the moons, not the seventh day Sabbaths. This was every 7th day from creation onward. The Lunar Sabbath concept is proven false by the feast of weeks (Lev 23) where God instructed that they count 7 Sabbaths, and the day after was PENTEcost (meaning 50, the 50th day). Seven Sabbaths = 49 days, proving one Sabbath every seven days. A lunar Sabbath would've been 56 about days or more by that reckoning.
RepaireroftheBreach 1 year ago 4
@ALadAndHisLamp
Sabbath in different languanges sounds like the same ex Sabado, Sabbato,As-Sabt, Saibado, Shabbuta.
marcksjason 1 year ago 2
@marcksjason, very good argument in support of the 7th day of the week being the Sabbath! I use the same argument as well!
Habsfan0206 11 months ago
@ALadAndHisLamp
Aren't you violating the 4th commandment 2 or 3 days out of every month, even if the rest of your premise is correct? Yahweh is much more precise in His reckoning and the Lunar Calendar is folly.
Torah4Today 11 months ago
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@ALadAndHisLamp
Aren't you violating the 4th commandment 2 or 3 days out of every month, even if the rest of your premise is correct? Yahweh is much more precise in His reckoning and the Lunar Calendar is folly.
Torah4Today 11 months ago
The SDA church is the ONLY CHURCH that is honest & genuine about God & His word. Are you aware that WITHOUT LINKING the TIME PROPHECY of Dan 9:24 of the 70 weeks, WITHOUT LINKING it to the VISION of Dan 8, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE ESP to the Jews that Dan 9:25-27 is talking about THE MESSIAH??
The link btn Dan 9 & Dan 8 is the ONLY PROOF we have to show the Jews that their Tanach actually teaches of a MAN-GOD appearing on earth as the Moshiach!
GOD WILL JUDGE DECEITFUL SUNDAY CHURCHES!
PreparetomeetthyGod 1 year ago