I'm sorry but the narrator is clearly lying. He says that there is no wreckage on the lawn, yet at 47 seconds in, look in the lower right hand corner of the screen (just in the shadow). What is that? Why, it's wreckage. So there goes that theory.
Do you REALLY believe a little piece of "plane wreckage", as you're insinuating (because you put planes together for a living and order parts on eBay all the time), has survived that HUGE explosion, but the rest of that 60 ton aircraft has just VANISHED?!? Psssh...you clearly know how to even bounce a "reality check"...
The plane part (I guess a part of the fuselage)that was photographed on the Pentagon lawn is such a joke.Do they think that people will believe that it was from flight77? It shows no burn marks or even singed marks,& certainly does NOT look like it went through an impact & an explosion! Also, I have read that the engine part (JT8D) that was allegedly found is not from a 757.One more thing: Are there photos of all exit holes through E,then D,then C? I have never seen the "D" exit hole, have you?
He talks about any person,agency,etc. having knowledge, or are involved in a cover up of evidence, etc., showing proof of guilt of being involved in the implementation of 9/11. Well, it has been reported that 3 of the 4 black boxes were recovered at ground zero, and the FBI has threatened,or told the people who saw the black boxes to "shut up." Two of the people who saw the boxes refuse to "shut up", and are telling their story!
No problem to explain the little hole versus the jet.
The jewish rat pack pulling the strings of drunkard bastard Bush would tell you that the plane was flying in a vertically and not horizontally as the passenger aicrafts are designed to fly normally.
Bush and the this proud nation is hijacked by jews and had to go with jewish sionistic plan as he was convinced that if he didn`t he would be the new Kennedy in a matter of short time, assasinated by the evil partnership of CIA/MOUSSAD.
There are some really good questions... Where did the real plane disappeared? Can they show photos of ALL plane debris together in one place during the investigation ( Yes investigators does that)? Why the plane was flying in such weird route? And can they show us those other videos from other cams?
The last point about the media's first reports on the Pentagon are really interesting. When the first plane hit the first tower, most local news stations weren't sure WHAT hit the tower; some people said they saw one thing, others didn't see anything, and people weren't sure what was going on. But suddenly we are told, "A 757 has hit the Pentagon" right off the bat. No questions; no definitive word from eye-witnesses; it was a 757........ Even though that's not what it looks like AT ALL!
"Okay boss, here's my plan. We'll go to great lengths to set up over 140 witnesses seeing a jetliner, reroute or kill all the passengers, stage phone calls, get rid of a boeing 757, knock out lamp posts to simulate wings hitting them, but..........we're not gonna bother making obvious indications of wing damage to the Pentagon, AND we'll allow it to be photographed and distributed, "
ok valid point... but why cant they just release the security camera evidence that would show that it really was a boeing 757. Thats the only thing that I want to see. Once I see that I will believe it but until then its a mystery
What no one looks at are the street lights that were all mown down in the exact pattern of the width of those plane's wings. Other streelights were still standing, all but those that were in the path of the plane. The tail would not have destroyed the upper floors. There is no fuel in the tail.
I heard it live on that day. A reporter on NBC said,
"There has been an explosion." He didn't say,
"It sounded like a jet has hit the pentagon."
I don't care where you are in or outside of the
Pentagon, you are going to hear a jet approaching
and then you will hear an explosion, right?
Why was there a reporter from NBC at the Pentagon in the first place? There are never reporters at the Pentagon. Only the Corporate Media knows the truth. The truth is a missle hit the Pentagon.
deep down we all know what happened on 9/11. can't prove it was a plane, cant prove it wasn't. Our Government is so corrupt at this point in time from 2000 to present its not even funny anymore. Frankly put its extremely sad that we have to eat this shit they feed us. We are the people, we put them all in office, we need to remove them from office. Start with Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd, then move on and rid them all. Vote out every incumbent every election starting in 2010
It is the Pentagon... how can anyone be certain of the construction of the building, and any modifications made to it? For all we know the Pentagon could be reinforced so greatly that it is like a bunker essentially. Without proper knowledge of the building, due it its likely top secret status, we can not make assumptions about the damage due to the structure of the building.
one detail, the plane should have hit the pentagon in an angle, not in a paraller way to the ground. Therefore, the roof line should be the first to collapse.
Oh my this really makes you think and i hope it also made a fews wake up. I can't say what i think, but i know that the America people are fool into thinking what our Goverment wants you to believe.
Anyone ever try this? look and see on the day when it was 9/10 and see how many airliners (boeing 757 ETC) were there then on 9/12 see how many were not there and i found 4 missing planes (DOUGH!) the ones that hit the towers (2 planes there!) the one that hit in the field (ONE PLANE) and the pentagon so that adds up to four! can you add 2+1+1=4!
there is a very good documentary on the missing planes. apparently, there is evidence of 2 of the missing planes (one that fell and one that supposely hit pentagon) having landed in another state. there were over 250 people on both planes combined. they were evacuated to NASA HQ and...disappeared into thin air to never be heard of again.
i suppose what does it matter to kill 250 more when you already killed 10k....
has anyone seen how coked up, strip bar ATTA & the flying circus hit the wtc in a simulation ... real funny. like driving a car into a garage (in a curve) doing 350 mph... and this happend twice.
youtube: Cockpit View of American Flight 11 on 9/11
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wow you idiots really believe that our own government would do this? you really need help and I'm willing to bet that many of you are the same guys who believe the moon landing was fake.
your dead right fool! the moon footage IS fake you dont have to be einstien to work that out, HOWEVER, im not saying they didnt go, just that the footage you see is fake. long story! anyways yes the US gov orchastrated 911 once again its totally obvious when you look at the facts and evidence. people like you give cave dwellers too much credit! do some research before being a Gov sheep follower!
OMFG you people are the most retarded people I have ever seen! If you truely believe the American government would do this you don't deserve to be a citizen of this country!
"wow you idiots really believe that our own government would do this?"
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Well, the whole US government wouldn't have been involved.
As a precident for horrible actions taken by the US government, you can look back to the days when it battled the native North Americans. Killing, breaking treaties, corraling onto "reservations" (pleasant term for 'internment areas'), destruction of most of the buffalo (just left to rot ... just a way to get at the natives) .
part 2... Britain, Russia, France, Spain (etc)... all powers have been this way throughout history. It makes me think of the Lord of the Rings. (the author had fought in WWI so that might have affected his view of power). The ring was a symbol of power. Even Gandolf doesn't want to temp carrying the ring.
Look at the CIA's record around the world and tell me the US government (and other governments) aren't up to some very horrible operations of power.
part 3... you can easily find how extremely wealthy and powerful media owners like Willian Randolf Hearst (who influenced public opinion and perhaps even lead to the American Spanish war after the USS Main exploded near Cuba in 1898). Also:
Edward Bernays
watch?v=9Kp24ZeHtv4&feature=related
JP Morgan
watch?v=3sGs8eFld1U
1933 attempted US coup (Prescott Bush involvement)
watch?v=UXGUgFXoRu4&feature=related
Stop believing your TV news. They are owned by an extremely wealthy few.
part 4... Why could a group of people in the US govt, big media and business want 911 to occur? From the neocons' 'Project for a New American Century';
"the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing even like a new Pearl Harbor" - 2000
Hey zetetic0void ....well said, and its true. Its called false flag ops, anyone who cant believe it...go to my page and watch "BBC The Sinking Of The USS Liberty"
This is just one example....people if you think that your government is here to help you and look after your civil rights liberties etc....get ready for the most destructive wake up call! A little bit of research...will open your eyes wider the a crack whores pussy. Take a look at the facts and you will see straight away that (pt2)
(pt2) the shit doesn't add up....2 + 2 does not add up to 19 so called terrorists. (12 of whom have turned up alive and well) Go to the FBI,s most wanted site and see if Binladen is accused of 9/11.....HE AINT!
In fact the Bush and Binladen family have been in business together for over 20 yrs...Google the Carlyle Group! As for the Pentagon...where are the wings, engines, bodies, luggage, tail? Some..if not all of these would have been found...but have not! And why edit the footage? inside job!
every1 can proply tell thats it wasnt a plane because if it was it would levea tire tracks on the grass or some sort of clue that something was there. and still it hit the first floor and not the roof.
Brilliant,Logical,reasonable,Now all we need to do is to ensure that this Government along with its partners in crime are removed, therein lies the problem. The majority of people do not want to bring chaos to there lives,they want to work and love and care for there families as best they can and that is precisely what this Government and its like minded predecessors have always relied on.The fact that the majority people in the main are basically good. Wars are a product of the extreme monority
If it was a plane, why would they refuse to show us any of the camera footage that the pentagon confiscated from surrounding businesses? Of course it wasn't a plane. The real question is WHY DID BUILDING 7 FALL? and WHAT WAS IN BUILDING 7? Go and look into it if you don't know.
The NEW WORLD ORDER was behind 911. Search/Watch/Learn 911 Mysteries-911 Revisited-Freedom To Fascism-Money Masters-Corrupt Banking-Corrupt Federal Reserve-Zeitgeist-Loose Change-Aaron Russo-Benjamin Freeman-New World Order-Beyond Treason-FEMA Concentration Camps-David Icke (World Banking & Tears 911 Apart)-Fluoride-Chemtrails-Aspartame-Monsantos-Bilderberg Group-Trilateral Commission-CFR-Illuminati, etc. Seek, learn & spread TRUTH.
im done watching this, its really silly. keep searching around for other vids like this - theres others that show agents running around the pentagon picking up wreckage. this man pisses me off, how about some facts. they reinforced the outer walls of the pentagon weeks before 9/11.
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IT WAS a plane you a s s h o l e s.
None of you are real americans!!
This was not a disaster. Not a catastrophe. Not an act of God. It was a willful, deliberate act of mass murder. The blame for what happened that day, and in the days and months following, lies squarely at the feet of the radical Islamist thugs who declared war on us. It also lies at the feet of the most criminally negligent president in United States history, William Clinton. Nowhere else.
Calm down sir... What are those statements on? You're simply repeating what you've been told by the media. And, because you have such strong emotions about the subject, you refuse to think critically otherwise. This achieves nothing. In this case, no one likes to think about the alternative, but you're naive/liar if say there is nothing eerie. EVEN IF everything 'matched up' TERRORIST attacks could still have been planned by the CFR. Youtube world gov. vids; things are MUCH too coincidental.
I have personally heard from Pentagon survivors like TED ANDERSON who SAW the plane wreckage/debris and the firefighters stationed at the pentagon SAW the plane hit. Why was the fire burning still the next day? Because there was over 6000 gallons of JET FUEL on the scene. You people make me sick!
if there was 6000 gallons of fuel, that whole area would have had to have been dug up and the whole pentagon rebuilt...environmental clause from you own government..i stand by my previous comment...Americans will wipe themselves out ....very soon....you are doing it right now without even knowing it....thought!
So you're saying that being a "real" American, means believing in everything the government tells you!? even when they have no prove or anything to back up what their saying!?
You sir, are blindly living in the world they want you to see, a world of freedom......the freedom for them to do whatever the hell they want!
Question, Who Cares? If you spend your time trying to work out the mysteries of the past instead of focusing on what is happening around you at the present time and what will happen in the future then you are wasting your life. It's done, get over it and get on with your lives.
:o( :o( what are we the people going to do? the clintons refuse to acknowledge that 911 could have been an inside job....Al Gore was the vice president and he seems honest....What does al gore have to say about this damning evidence?
is there any video that takes the side of the official point of view? all these vids...zeitgeist, loose change, etc keep giving the same evidence over and over. it's going in circles. i'm really curious to know what the govt. says about this. i mean it's been almost 7 years and no one has been able to make the govt. explain these obvious flaws with their story?
The Pentagon is one of the worlds most heavily guarded buildings w/ video surveillance. Wouldn't there be at least one angle (if not several) showing the crash for more than just 4 frames? Why don't they release this? National Security? What's the threat? We've seen video of the planes hitting the twin towers from multiple angles. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? Couldn't we settle this by seeing clear evidence identifying the crash? Question the official story and they'll drag your name through the mud.
Come on, we're all grown ups; we all know better than the crap they're trying to feed us; this is an inside job... It's one thing if you got some cushy job on some fake cable news show, you know like a O'Reilly, Beck, Hannity, and even Cooper, but we've got nothing to lose. We're the ones under attack; wake up America!!!
yup and all those light poles were just pulled out of the ground by the hulk after this missile went through a massive generator b4 blowing into the pentagon...or how about a plane did it with it's massive wingspan at over 500mph.
I ask, which one sounds more crazy? The ONLY evidence he attempts, are a few pictures that blatantly go against what he is trying to prove(note: firefighter/distroyed colunm). He's an older man, one who has wasted his time. EVEN IF the conspiracy were true, this man would have done the Truth movement a disservice. Alas, the conspiracy is wrong, this video only proves the flawed lengths to which someone will go to disprove truth.
I my church they said it was an UFO! Our government is great thy will only kill for oil. Let's say it was a UFO because they never show a plane going in so then it's a UFO.
Who is they? The government? For one, even if they did have a clear video people would just say it was fake or whatever. There will always be conspiracy. But tell the people who were there, who watched it happen. Tell them there was no plane, and they will disagree. Does your church also require anal probes?
You should trust your government and be a good consumer because that's going to save your life. As for the "anal" thing I am sure you will figure it out before you die, mamories will sink in about every dick you had ton sit on that you did not know about.
"...mamories will sink in about every dick you had ton sit on that you did not know about."...Nice wording, I will be waiting for the day that "mamories" sink in. Notice, I was not talking about your sexuality, I was simply appealing to your Neptunian UFO bullshit.
I don't believe in UFO's nor I go to church and I am not a neo- con! I just think you are a freak and I was screwing with your head. The memories will sink in one way or another and then you will know for sure who lied to you and who didn't. buy some google stock while you are at it!!!
Interrogative, a man claiming that his church "told him" UFOs did it would be considered a freak would he not? Moreover, you haven't even attacked my core arguments, which were directed at this video...Reason? You can. This man is a proven sham.
u r a tool! If u had a job u would not demonstarte most of the mental issues currently in your head. u spend too much time on YT and what do u get out of it? nothing at all! as far as I am concerned there was no plane going into the 5gon! maybe was a dick and u sittin on it all along. Go get a job now it's about time mate!
You see, I do have a job, look no further than NAVSCOLEOD. You will also notice my comments with reguards to explosive material, might make more sense. And since we have established my place of emoloyment, it will be good for you to know that I do this when Im bored.... most times it takes a few minutes. Especially for folks like you.
stick some exlosives up your ass and be done with it! you work for the navy that's why you are a tool when you figure out how capitalism work let us know. go argue about abortions you'll be better at it and blow up some abortion clinics like your friend eric did, that's a good way of protest...
Number one, Not Navy, Marines. If YOU had the brain power you would certainly know it's a Joint service venture. Number two, of all things where do you get capitalism from? We go from me destroying this video...to you telling me I don't know about capitalism.
even worse marines; paid killers... you think u r doing a service u r part of a corporate army. u have brain power u think, who's killing your friends in IRAQ? u r on the front brainwashed so the others can make money behind your back. wake up man! do u think u serve god? WAKE UP!
Paid killer...I like it. First off, again, you seem to forget what my original arguments are. As for "who's killing my friends in Iraq"...you have no clue. You enjoy that luxury, and thats fine by me. Who are YOU to decide what battles are fought and what battles are not. You are a mere YT blogger just like myself. The only difference is I have seen the otherside. You have heard other people speak, attached emotions to what they said, and then ran with it.
And how exactly do you do you relate "people makeing money behind my back" to serving god. Again, you are nothing more than a person who heard someone else speaking. As you have never been to the country, I would assume that all your information is hearsay. You're bable is getting you no where. If I am infact brainwashed, that's fine by me. I personally enjoy the "brainwashed" state in which I live.
u r an army pig! u r used the same way hilter used his own to oppress the world. u r a sad low life. i do get pleasure to see your friends in body bags cause they r in the same cult as u & view the world the same way u do. u live in a foreign country called USA. many dicks u have to ride!
Umm, is there another USA that I am not aware of? Last I recalled, there is only one USA, and I am living in it. But since you seem to be able to place me with a cult and the kkk, I am assuming you are also placing my geographic location as well right?
d*ckhead u live in a foreign country for many reasons. #1 this is not a country anymore... do some research! the USA u dream does not exist. #2 u r in the army u get told what they want u to know and u follow orders. # i m placing u south and i wish the south sinks cause i dislike rednecks is this ok with u? get get a job now jason!
Well lets start wiht..."u live in a foreign country...#1 this is not a country anymore." Tell me, if I live here, and it's not a country anymore, how is it that I live in a foreign country? Also, I don't mind if you dislike rednecks, I can honestly say I really don't care who you like. And the get a job thing? come on, you have been bashing me for being in the military. And then you say...."the military is not a job..." At which point you will notice no change in my demeanor.
UFO is an abbreviation for Unidentified Flying Object, so, as long as the object flying into Pentagon (hypotethically) is not identified it is technically an UFO..
man u waste your time with the army pig who is a marine and lives on YT! he has his own cult and he is "brainwashed" and proud of it! he doesn get it now or ever. hate is his the solution to everything and KKK is where he belongs. He belived what he was told! Be sorry for him...
Unlike you Kenzofeis has produced at least some sort of an attempt to attack this argument. Moreover, I have posted just as many posts as you with reguards to your name smearing and whatever. I have also posted about the same as Kenzofeis. Yet you tend to side with him...hypocritical? I think so.
no need to argue with u psychopath! i told u the body bag is waiting for u corporate soldier... there was no plane going into the pentagon, no plane would have made a perfect landing and leave no trace of debris anywhere in there. u need mental help soldier! u serve nothing, u protect nothing other than corporate interests. go back to your cage now!
Again, semantics. Since you have not proven otherwise then it's not Unidentified. Many hundreds of people "identified it." Remember my original point was JUST to destroy this vidwo. Mr. vonKleich does that for me. He uses someones partial quote. The importance is two fold. One, it shoes the lenghts he will to go prove a "theory".
freak go take orders & suck some cock to get up in your corporate army pyramid. when u find the plane in your f**king pentagon show it to the rest of the world. in the mean time go study your stupid cult & get futher brainwashed. your USA died it's only in your head. u r an example why they the hate US around the world. arrogant mother f**ker!
Two, we agree that he DID in fact use this quote. So that means he must put some credibility in his source. Well his source ACTUALLY said it was "an American Airlines Jet." It's not unidentified. I point to the credibility issue again. He can't have it both ways. Either he is saying that Walter is a good source or not. If yes, then he agrees that the plane IS identified. If no, then this video loses it's credibility.
As suspected, pointing elswhere to EVEN MORE unproven theories, while at the same time dropping the current arguments and running. For clarification again, I am simply disproving this video. Which I have done. And please, no Operation Northwoods...as I have a feeling that's coming next. At least that one was just a plan and never happened.
Unproven? That the Tonkin business was a hoax? hehe! aiai! I say... It is admitted! And what about the Reichtag? The shot in Sarajevo? Pearl Harbor? All these were planned/allowed, and there is so many more.. this is such an old and well used method now.. the Northwood thing is just the beast showing it's ugly face yet again.
"...(in childish voice)That was NBC,CBS,ABC,CNN and FOX and ALL the other news agencies..." Imagine that, a man, who speaks condescendingly about people who ask honest questions, doesn't know the difference between a bomb and a missile (even at that only "suggesting" that's what it was), puts his own unfounded opinion against the American Society of Civil Engineers.
"...veterans and military experts....who?" And more importantly, were they there.04:04- "I ask to you see support columns that have been destroyed?"...Call me crazy, but just above that firefighter on the righthand side, is that not clearly a destroyed support column??? Moreover, with all of that smoke, can YOU see through it to make that decision? apparently he can.
This man believes that at BEST a 20,000lb bomb penetrated 9ft. of steel and concrete. Yet, he doesn't think a 350,000lb jetliner could. Brightline (aka, common sense), 9ft= 3 yards, can you honestly tell yourself that 350,000lb traveling at ANY speed, would stop because of three yards of steel and concrete?
Also...another brightline test, those 9 feet are admitedly not next to each other. He is assuming that it's a solid wall. In which case he would still be an idiot. But imagine a piece of drywall... take one sheet and you could punch through it (standing alone, as the walls in the Pentagon were) that 5 of the same sheets, and you're break your fist trying.
throw a loosely squished together ball of alu-foil at something, and then a solid ball of aluminum of same weight... which one will have the most penetration probability? A jetliner is mostly hollow space surrounded by thin sheets of aluminum.. very wide, very weak..
Number one, your analogy is wrong by shear physics. We agree that a plane is cylindrical. This means ALL of the kinetic energy will be focused on the nose at impact. Thats nearly 300,000+lbs. A foil ball has no nose the energy is dispersed on impact. ANOTHER test...if you were to drop a steel "breaker bar" from ten feet and it landed flat on your hand, it would probably smash your hand.
Jeez... it is like throwing a thin weak cyliner of alu foil at something.. the nose tip is a bit stronger, and there is some beams at the belly but the rest is like almost nothing.. besides, the wings will most often rip relatively easily off a plane this way because they are not designed for that "vector".. you cannot compare a airliner fuselage to a solid object.
Well I tried to entertain your "ball-o-foil" theory to promote an educated argument. Apparently I failed. You cannot compare a BALL to a cylinder. Notice many load bearing columns in builings are cylindrical. Also notice the fronts of many houses, cylindrical columns. Do any of those buildings use "ball" columns as supports? A cylinder is a very strong shape, and when backed with 300,000+lbs it just might have some sort of effect on a building.
But it inherently retains the qualities of a cylinder just the same. Sure it wasn't MADE for the job. Although I have hear those theories as well. But it CAN do the job. And many people watched it.
Almost nothing, so where does this other weight come from? and I am assuming that you have done a research to come up with the conclusion that "the rest is almost nothing." Where is the rest of the weight if the main portion of the aircraft is "almost nothing?"
Most importantly, of course, ball or not. The more solid one will have a greater effect. However, you have to take into consideration the material you are throwing this "ball" at. If the weight can overcome the resistence the wall is pushing back when, then it doesn't matter HOW hollow it is. Again, ALL the kinetic energy is focused to the nose of the plane, where it impacted. AT MOST it was a total of 3 yards.
No the effect, as in Joules, will be the same at same speed and weight.. what will be different is the concentration of force and deformation (transforming kinetic energy into heat). The concentration of force, cross section versus momentum, is what is relevant.. it is what makes a knife cut easier than a spoon.. the nose of a plane is the tip of a very fragile body..
A car and a semi tractor trailer hit different people. Does the one hit with the car have a better chance? Yes. If both vehicles were traveling at 50mph would he die? Most likely in both cases that person would die. TOTALLY different weights between the two vehicles. The Semi traveling at the same speed has A LOT more kinetic energy. But the car can do the same damage to the person.
How so? You see, you must have founded arguments. Otherwise you are nothing more than a normal CTist whos common reply is "Nu uh!" Followed by personal attacks. This illistrates the fact that two different kenitic energy values can have the same effect on a given object, so long as it overcomes it's resistance. If you disagree tell me why.
given any brains you should a long time ago understand what I have explained. I am fed up with this childish method of jumping around the facts just trying to make the opponent look dumb, you must be related to some others who do the same stuff here on youtube.. like poetryhound and.. whatshisname.. nevermind
For example the fact that 2 objects hitting a target wall may or may not penetrate due to the "build" of the objects, missiles, projectiles, as anyone can understand - steel wool will hardly penetrate a brick wall as a steel ball, given the same velocity and weight..
Neither will water. You could throw bucket upon bucket. But concentrate that stream, and water will cut steel. The nose of that aircraft carried 350,000 lbs of weight behind it. To think that would be unable to crush almost ANYTHING is plane naive.
Put a bus behind a soda can.. does that make the sodacan penetrate a brick wall? It would just crush, the can.. How much of the weight of an airliner is in the wings/tanks? You expect the weight of the wings to shove a thin alu sheet fuselage through thick brick walls even after the wings are ripped off and the fuselage ripped to shreds? Come on. Or are we talking Panzer Flügzeug here made like a good old Tiger tank..
This man is questioning weather or not it could pierce 9feet then he says it could be a bunker buster. First off, a bunker buster, THE HEAVIEST we have is 20,000 lbs. The 757s weight? 350,000 lbs. He seems to think that the Bomb just blows it's way to it's targed. Thats not the case. It uses it's own kenetic energy to penetrate. THEN detonates.
There are different types of socalled bunker busters, one is a solid very heavy steel tube, others are more like drone "miniplanes".. the latter with less penetration and fuel tanks that may blow before penetration is complete, and they will also be very able to do horizontal flight for hours.. clue..
I am currently studying explosives at NAVSCOLEOD. Not just US but ALL countries. Please, tell me have I been missing something? I have been studying the worlds ordnance, but I have yet to come accross a "drone/miniplane/bunker-buster." Enlighten me. Then show me someone who saw this drone plane.
Where did you get the quote "drone/miniplane/bunker-buster." from? And if u don't get the clue about "drone 'miniplane'" then I suggest u either grow a few more IQ points or go study some more..
You tried and failed to give a description of a "bunker-buster" and failed. You say they can be "solid steel tube, the other more like a drone miniplane." Basically you are putting a bunker buster, of one variation or another, together with a drone.
Was what? Did I say that one of those hit the Pentagon in this "debate"? But, it would seem more than likely, given that the incident is based on sort of an excersise that was turned into a propaganda asset..
*sigh* .. when I used the term "drone/miniplane" it was to make it more understandable to anyone not so familiar to military gadgets and terminology.. an AGM86 could be considered a "drone/miniplane" given the similarities.. I have no fetish for frolicking in technicalities here..
Wow, I could literaly pick about every word apart from this guy. Just an example... 03:33..."A bunker buster, or, a missile..." Wrong answer... "bunker buster" is a loose term reserved for bombs that simply use weight and a delayed fuze to penetrate a certain ammount of earth before detonation. NOT A MISSILE. Even the picture he shows is a bomb with a guidance system on the nose. VIDEO DISCREDITED
Proof that the name of your game is semantics. No need to repost, but just look to your earlier latin definition of the word. In there you have ordnance including but not limited to "dropped" and "thrown." That would be a contradiction. Unless of course you know of a "miniplane/hand grenade." In which case I would love to know where I would find this information. Keep with your story and I will do the same.
I understand you are not the one who set the meaning, nor the definition. Yet you chose to use two different definitions. First definition says it could be anything. The second? "Ballistic or sustained flight headed for a target."
I quoted directly from an encyclopaedia, 3 different types of objects to be called missiles. If you throw something it will be a ballistic missile, if it is propelled, like a rocket, it is also a missile.. be it a chestnut or a - woooo - AGM86 (see other "clue")
Really, well odd that you mention the AGM 86. What specific AGM might I ask? as you know there are variants. If you are speaking of the "blast/frag" variant you will have just incurred a whole slew of new problems. If you choose the nuclear variant, then you're an idiot. You see, if it were in fact the AGM 86 ** ANY variant, it would have thrown frag for AT LEAST a mile and a half. Please, where is the frag?
Wrong, they are not used as "penetrators" you are fighting a losing battle on this one. If there is one thing I know for sure, it's explosives. Not just dynamite, HBX, tetratol, HMX, C4, etc....but explosive ORDNANCE as well. Fact: It's not used as a penetrator this is not opinion, it's fact.
YOU are wrong. Only problem was implementing sensory circuits to count voids/layers to make these detonate at a desired point in e.g. a building complex/bunker complex..
So going back to the video, are you saying that there were 6 AGMs? You are correct in the way something penetrates. However, on that basis there would have had to be 6, as there were 6 walls that were penetrated. Also, have you ever personally seen ANY blast from ANY ordnance? If you have you would know it doesn't not blast in a straight line
Blasts go outward. Not to mention you still do not account for frag. To recap you are asserting that an AGM hit the pentagon. One that senses it's target once it penetrates. Problem is, there were 6 walls breached. So unless there were 6 shaped charge toting AGMs you lose again. And again, did ANYONE describe a drone aircraft?
Blasts go in any direction, but will take the easiest route, sort of an exception is shaped charges where indeed this very phenomenon is exploited to focus part of the blast into a "jet" on one side. Apart from this, who really knows what hit and what did'nt? It's buried too, just like the Pentagon lawn was shortly after this.
No need to explain explosives and explosive theory to me. True, the easiest route out of it's explosive casing, which means it STILL explodes out. Again, still no evidence of frag, nor blast overpressure. Not a drop. There were people who saw and heard a plane, none saw or heard an AGM. Its easy to question, but being STILL unfounded, it's easier to disprove.
Not only out of the casing, but also any wall or other target surface will be an obstacle making any blast prefer to go the other way unless forced to try and blow it's way through the obstacle, e.g. by putting a "counterweight" on the other side of the explosive, or focusing it to making a penetration more likely. No blast overpressure? What happened to the building, and what we see in the released vid is a pressure free explosion?
So I am correct in assuming that you have never been near an explosion of any type. If a large ammount of explosives were used, there would be a large blast overpressure. The Frag would be much greater but you would have overpressure just the same. So ONCE AGAIN, where is the frag, were are the witnesses that felt the overpressure, and where are the wons who spotted a drone.
Does an AGM86-D penetrate only 1 wall? Did you ever notice the vertically cut sides of that inner hole - yes CUT - what explosive charge would do this, or, what sort of small and few fragments of a plane would do this?
Penetrating is one thing. Blasting is another. What I am saying is simple, you're saying that the AGM had a predeterminted target...once it reaches that target it detonates. However there is no blast indicators. Nothing at all, again, if you have ever experienced a detonation of ANY size you would see certain characteristics. The two main ones being the blast and frag radius. A 2 lbs C4 can be felt almost a quarter mile away. You are contending that nearly 2000 lbs of HE was used...
If someone wanted they could put a jerrycan filled with black powder in it, or a keg of pee.. or a suitcase with underwear. Have I experienced detonations.. Well during military courses my platoon was standing 40m away from a 18,5kg HMX blast, blown simultaneously with one around 10kg plus a couple hundred meter of detonating fuse chopping down a couple pine-trees. Yes we had cover. Yes well..
Again, the or information you give the less credible you are. 18.5 kg/HMX right? Plus 10Kg/HMX.....Well at least the frag distance would be the same, BUt the blast would increas by over 50% by adding in that second shot. 40meters away? I don't think so. Hell I at least 100m away from a couple pounds. OH, and you cant use "DET CORD" to cut down anything. That was a myth I tried out two weeks ago.Unless you were to wrap ALL 100m around one tree then you might.
In our "hell-week" we sit in a shallow trench, circular, when 5kg TNT blows on the ground in the center of it.. as a test of nerves.. hehe this shows me that u don't know too much about what you talk about. Well, for one, the air went out and in of our lungs a few time due to the pressure wave. We were standing in a little "tunnel" pointing the other way. Had to wait 4-5 minutes before leaving cover due to stuff falling down. Det cord is excellent at chopping trees.
Again, det cord works to cut down trees if you are making a million wraps. I just did this about a month ago... if anything it splinters the tree and that's about it. MAYBE if it was dead and only a few inches in diameter. And "hell-week" for what? I would love to hear this one.
This shows how much you (don't) know about this... let's take this off old damaged memories.. I won't bother to go get the old yellow pamflet thing with the formulaes.. 1 tree approx 28cm dia: make 28 + 10 turns extra, feel free to add a few more.. like 30-35m.
There are plenty of charges that can do it and are designed to do so. Does that mean it happened? No. Over the history of plane crashes, how many times has there been "small and few" fragments? Most importantly, leads back to the frag radius, if the AGM did indeed frag the Pentagon...WHERE IS IT? And again, where are the people who saw it?(At least the fifth time that has been asked.)
In every plane crash there has also been very big chunks, as a rule the tail section and the engines will be "big chunks" to be found. The type of sheet used in planes are "hardened" to be stiffer yet flexible, but this also means it will crack and rip apart easier when certain mechanical stresses are exceeded. Meaning: lots of small frags too.
Number one, there is no "penetrator" warhead. 2000lbs is large, but if it can't bury itself the blast does not have nearly the effect. (think fire cracker in closed hand) If you believe the soft bodied 86** can do it your nuts. And if it was the 86, how did it have the force to penetrate, yet the 350,000lb plane couldn't?
You see, the more information that you give the less credible you become. I know it's easy look up stuff on the net and then use it in an argument. But when you do look something up, it's best to pay close attention. You see, AGM-86...D is a conversion. When was it tested and fielded? Nov. 2001. Im sure you will come back with something along the lines of "we had it before..." or whatever. Bottom line, production of this model wasn't until AFTER 9/11
I did'nt say that an AGM86-D was used against the Pentagon, we were discussing wether there are a "bunker buster" type of these, which u denied, and this was coming out of a discussion about missiles. Anyway, an AGM86 does not have to carry any warhead at all to be sendt to a target.
See the difference between you and me, I have access to everything there is to know about this, and ANY ordnance item, as it IS my job. The information that you seek on the net will not do you justice. There is a reason things are classified. Do you honestly think that all the information on EVERYTHING we have, ESPECIALLY something this sensitive, would be on the net? No.
Oh yeah? What does it tell you, that Im an at Explosive Ordnance Disposal at NAVSCOLEOD...and from time to time it's necessary to look up information on various types of ordnance. Is that the "volumes" you speak of? Or were you implying one of the normal rediculous responses of a CTist.
people are asking the question can a 757 cause this.. the question should be, can a 757 with 20,000 gallons of jet fuel cause this? 20,000 gallons of jet fuel impacting at 500 mph is a missle.. so for all you conspiritists keep listening to idiots..
These tanks of kerosene is not one concentrated little container, they are "spread out" in the wings, over many meters.. and the wings have nothing to do with the fuselage "penetrating" anything.
I'm confused with this one. Are you saying the wings didn't penetrate and they should have? There are a number of posibilities for this. Definitively, I wouldn't know. I could guess that impact ignited the wings, similar to normal plane crashes. Maybe they were pulled inside, that seems logical as well, kinda like stuffing a dollar in your pocket, it kind of folds back and you push it into your pocket.
The wings would just "splat" against the hard surface, tanks burst and disperse the kerosene, ignition would be extremely likely, engines would penetrate one or more walls due to the weight and strength of the axles/framing/hubs, aluminum has very high friction rate; it "sticks" - so pulling the wings in? :P A big NOPE.
It is good to make videos like this but there is really nothing that can turn a non believer to a believer, they have to come to the realization themselves.
the explosion of the plane that hit is caused the wings to fall back and go down and fit in the "little" hole.. and exploded in there while the rest of the plane went right though the weak pentagon. A plane hit the thing. FACT.
Then where did the plane go? Did it disintegrate? Where is all the luggage? The seats? Clothes and debris strewn about the lawn? And why did the wings not fold back when they hit the WTC? Why will no one show definitive proof a plane hit? If the plane exploded, why was the roofline still attached for so long?
How can a large commercial airliner fly at such high speed and that low height????? How come theirs no evidence of a plane crash no wings no tail section nothing i guess it just evaporated into thin air????? ?????
I'm sorry but the narrator is clearly lying. He says that there is no wreckage on the lawn, yet at 47 seconds in, look in the lower right hand corner of the screen (just in the shadow). What is that? Why, it's wreckage. So there goes that theory.
krae0037 5 months ago
@krae0037
Do you REALLY believe a little piece of "plane wreckage", as you're insinuating (because you put planes together for a living and order parts on eBay all the time), has survived that HUGE explosion, but the rest of that 60 ton aircraft has just VANISHED?!? Psssh...you clearly know how to even bounce a "reality check"...
Jay338011 2 months ago
The plane part (I guess a part of the fuselage)that was photographed on the Pentagon lawn is such a joke.Do they think that people will believe that it was from flight77? It shows no burn marks or even singed marks,& certainly does NOT look like it went through an impact & an explosion! Also, I have read that the engine part (JT8D) that was allegedly found is not from a 757.One more thing: Are there photos of all exit holes through E,then D,then C? I have never seen the "D" exit hole, have you?
molitor2005 8 months ago
He talks about any person,agency,etc. having knowledge, or are involved in a cover up of evidence, etc., showing proof of guilt of being involved in the implementation of 9/11. Well, it has been reported that 3 of the 4 black boxes were recovered at ground zero, and the FBI has threatened,or told the people who saw the black boxes to "shut up." Two of the people who saw the boxes refuse to "shut up", and are telling their story!
molitor2005 8 months ago
No problem to explain the little hole versus the jet.
The jewish rat pack pulling the strings of drunkard bastard Bush would tell you that the plane was flying in a vertically and not horizontally as the passenger aicrafts are designed to fly normally.
Bush and the this proud nation is hijacked by jews and had to go with jewish sionistic plan as he was convinced that if he didn`t he would be the new Kennedy in a matter of short time, assasinated by the evil partnership of CIA/MOUSSAD.
atomak 11 months ago
There are some really good questions... Where did the real plane disappeared? Can they show photos of ALL plane debris together in one place during the investigation ( Yes investigators does that)? Why the plane was flying in such weird route? And can they show us those other videos from other cams?
zippyLTU 1 year ago
4:45 good question ..where did the plane go..."Atlantic" maybe there should be a search party for a plane.
EBHERNANDEZ7 1 year ago
The last point about the media's first reports on the Pentagon are really interesting. When the first plane hit the first tower, most local news stations weren't sure WHAT hit the tower; some people said they saw one thing, others didn't see anything, and people weren't sure what was going on. But suddenly we are told, "A 757 has hit the Pentagon" right off the bat. No questions; no definitive word from eye-witnesses; it was a 757........ Even though that's not what it looks like AT ALL!
bjdm3089 1 year ago
You seem to have some steele re-enforced concrete in your head bro...
JamesTClement 1 year ago
"Okay boss, here's my plan. We'll go to great lengths to set up over 140 witnesses seeing a jetliner, reroute or kill all the passengers, stage phone calls, get rid of a boeing 757, knock out lamp posts to simulate wings hitting them, but..........we're not gonna bother making obvious indications of wing damage to the Pentagon, AND we'll allow it to be photographed and distributed, "
oxomaticman 2 years ago
ok valid point... but why cant they just release the security camera evidence that would show that it really was a boeing 757. Thats the only thing that I want to see. Once I see that I will believe it but until then its a mystery
OmahaStylee09 2 years ago
at the end of the day >>> ask the new bloke ..who rules the usa ...
OzzyDave6969 2 years ago
What no one looks at are the street lights that were all mown down in the exact pattern of the width of those plane's wings. Other streelights were still standing, all but those that were in the path of the plane. The tail would not have destroyed the upper floors. There is no fuel in the tail.
Tubette1312 2 years ago
if u check out the official flight path, u'll see it's diferent from where the poles are....
thedayitriedtodie 2 years ago
I heard it live on that day. A reporter on NBC said,
"There has been an explosion." He didn't say,
"It sounded like a jet has hit the pentagon."
I don't care where you are in or outside of the
Pentagon, you are going to hear a jet approaching
and then you will hear an explosion, right?
Why was there a reporter from NBC at the Pentagon in the first place? There are never reporters at the Pentagon. Only the Corporate Media knows the truth. The truth is a missle hit the Pentagon.
bucknorm 2 years ago 2
deep down we all know what happened on 9/11. can't prove it was a plane, cant prove it wasn't. Our Government is so corrupt at this point in time from 2000 to present its not even funny anymore. Frankly put its extremely sad that we have to eat this shit they feed us. We are the people, we put them all in office, we need to remove them from office. Start with Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd, then move on and rid them all. Vote out every incumbent every election starting in 2010
danzor123 2 years ago
It is the Pentagon... how can anyone be certain of the construction of the building, and any modifications made to it? For all we know the Pentagon could be reinforced so greatly that it is like a bunker essentially. Without proper knowledge of the building, due it its likely top secret status, we can not make assumptions about the damage due to the structure of the building.
rasmuw75 2 years ago
one detail, the plane should have hit the pentagon in an angle, not in a paraller way to the ground. Therefore, the roof line should be the first to collapse.
falcon330sq 2 years ago
Oh my this really makes you think and i hope it also made a fews wake up. I can't say what i think, but i know that the America people are fool into thinking what our Goverment wants you to believe.
buttlikewat 3 years ago 10
Anyone ever try this? look and see on the day when it was 9/10 and see how many airliners (boeing 757 ETC) were there then on 9/12 see how many were not there and i found 4 missing planes (DOUGH!) the ones that hit the towers (2 planes there!) the one that hit in the field (ONE PLANE) and the pentagon so that adds up to four! can you add 2+1+1=4!
halo5549 3 years ago
there is a very good documentary on the missing planes. apparently, there is evidence of 2 of the missing planes (one that fell and one that supposely hit pentagon) having landed in another state. there were over 250 people on both planes combined. they were evacuated to NASA HQ and...disappeared into thin air to never be heard of again.
i suppose what does it matter to kill 250 more when you already killed 10k....
Muxxyy 3 years ago
has anyone seen how coked up, strip bar ATTA & the flying circus hit the wtc in a simulation ... real funny. like driving a car into a garage (in a curve) doing 350 mph... and this happend twice.
youtube: Cockpit View of American Flight 11 on 9/11
tubegovernment 3 years ago
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wow you idiots really believe that our own government would do this? you really need help and I'm willing to bet that many of you are the same guys who believe the moon landing was fake.
wishbone346 3 years ago
What moon landing? :D
Dengatube 3 years ago 7
your dead right fool! the moon footage IS fake you dont have to be einstien to work that out, HOWEVER, im not saying they didnt go, just that the footage you see is fake. long story! anyways yes the US gov orchastrated 911 once again its totally obvious when you look at the facts and evidence. people like you give cave dwellers too much credit! do some research before being a Gov sheep follower!
bjm351 3 years ago
OMFG you people are the most retarded people I have ever seen! If you truely believe the American government would do this you don't deserve to be a citizen of this country!
wishbone346 3 years ago
"wow you idiots really believe that our own government would do this?"
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Well, the whole US government wouldn't have been involved.
As a precident for horrible actions taken by the US government, you can look back to the days when it battled the native North Americans. Killing, breaking treaties, corraling onto "reservations" (pleasant term for 'internment areas'), destruction of most of the buffalo (just left to rot ... just a way to get at the natives) .
zetetic0void 2 years ago
part 2... Britain, Russia, France, Spain (etc)... all powers have been this way throughout history. It makes me think of the Lord of the Rings. (the author had fought in WWI so that might have affected his view of power). The ring was a symbol of power. Even Gandolf doesn't want to temp carrying the ring.
Look at the CIA's record around the world and tell me the US government (and other governments) aren't up to some very horrible operations of power.
Read some history or search.
zetetic0void 2 years ago
part 3... you can easily find how extremely wealthy and powerful media owners like Willian Randolf Hearst (who influenced public opinion and perhaps even lead to the American Spanish war after the USS Main exploded near Cuba in 1898). Also:
Edward Bernays
watch?v=9Kp24ZeHtv4&feature=related
JP Morgan
watch?v=3sGs8eFld1U
1933 attempted US coup (Prescott Bush involvement)
watch?v=UXGUgFXoRu4&feature=related
Stop believing your TV news. They are owned by an extremely wealthy few.
zetetic0void 2 years ago
part 4... Why could a group of people in the US govt, big media and business want 911 to occur? From the neocons' 'Project for a New American Century';
"the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing even like a new Pearl Harbor" - 2000
(note: "catalyzing")
Investigate
- Trans-Afghanistan pipeline & UNOCAL
- Iraq switch to Euros for oil sales in 2001
- Petrodollar
- End of Dollar Hegemony
zetetic0void 2 years ago
Hey zetetic0void ....well said, and its true. Its called false flag ops, anyone who cant believe it...go to my page and watch "BBC The Sinking Of The USS Liberty"
This is just one example....people if you think that your government is here to help you and look after your civil rights liberties etc....get ready for the most destructive wake up call! A little bit of research...will open your eyes wider the a crack whores pussy. Take a look at the facts and you will see straight away that (pt2)
ousamadidndoit 2 years ago
(pt2) the shit doesn't add up....2 + 2 does not add up to 19 so called terrorists. (12 of whom have turned up alive and well) Go to the FBI,s most wanted site and see if Binladen is accused of 9/11.....HE AINT!
In fact the Bush and Binladen family have been in business together for over 20 yrs...Google the Carlyle Group! As for the Pentagon...where are the wings, engines, bodies, luggage, tail? Some..if not all of these would have been found...but have not! And why edit the footage? inside job!
ousamadidndoit 2 years ago
you guys are bound to kill each other..again!
civil unrest is right around the corner....
see ya!!
geophoto12 3 years ago
every1 can proply tell thats it wasnt a plane because if it was it would levea tire tracks on the grass or some sort of clue that something was there. and still it hit the first floor and not the roof.
xkimxgottix 3 years ago 2
Hey fellas'
Let's keep on the subject:
Look @ the hole, Notice how it's flush with the ground.
Qusestion:
Where's the marks on the lawn?
roqone 3 years ago
Brilliant,Logical,reasonable,Now all we need to do is to ensure that this Government along with its partners in crime are removed, therein lies the problem. The majority of people do not want to bring chaos to there lives,they want to work and love and care for there families as best they can and that is precisely what this Government and its like minded predecessors have always relied on.The fact that the majority people in the main are basically good. Wars are a product of the extreme monority
Veloce3 3 years ago
If it was a plane, why would they refuse to show us any of the camera footage that the pentagon confiscated from surrounding businesses? Of course it wasn't a plane. The real question is WHY DID BUILDING 7 FALL? and WHAT WAS IN BUILDING 7? Go and look into it if you don't know.
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CaptainCrikey 3 years ago
im done watching this, its really silly. keep searching around for other vids like this - theres others that show agents running around the pentagon picking up wreckage. this man pisses me off, how about some facts. they reinforced the outer walls of the pentagon weeks before 9/11.
timmyk1985 3 years ago
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IT WAS a plane you a s s h o l e s.
None of you are real americans!!
This was not a disaster. Not a catastrophe. Not an act of God. It was a willful, deliberate act of mass murder. The blame for what happened that day, and in the days and months following, lies squarely at the feet of the radical Islamist thugs who declared war on us. It also lies at the feet of the most criminally negligent president in United States history, William Clinton. Nowhere else.
boarderxcosta 3 years ago
Calm down sir... What are those statements on? You're simply repeating what you've been told by the media. And, because you have such strong emotions about the subject, you refuse to think critically otherwise. This achieves nothing. In this case, no one likes to think about the alternative, but you're naive/liar if say there is nothing eerie. EVEN IF everything 'matched up' TERRORIST attacks could still have been planned by the CFR. Youtube world gov. vids; things are MUCH too coincidental.
powerofwallis 3 years ago 2
I have personally heard from Pentagon survivors like TED ANDERSON who SAW the plane wreckage/debris and the firefighters stationed at the pentagon SAW the plane hit. Why was the fire burning still the next day? Because there was over 6000 gallons of JET FUEL on the scene. You people make me sick!
boarderxcosta 3 years ago
boarderxcosta ..in reference to what you said...
if there was 6000 gallons of fuel, that whole area would have had to have been dug up and the whole pentagon rebuilt...environmental clause from you own government..i stand by my previous comment...Americans will wipe themselves out ....very soon....you are doing it right now without even knowing it....thought!
go buy more guns..protect yourselves....idiots!
geophoto12 3 years ago
So you're saying that being a "real" American, means believing in everything the government tells you!? even when they have no prove or anything to back up what their saying!?
You sir, are blindly living in the world they want you to see, a world of freedom......the freedom for them to do whatever the hell they want!
ShinGino 3 years ago
Question, Who Cares? If you spend your time trying to work out the mysteries of the past instead of focusing on what is happening around you at the present time and what will happen in the future then you are wasting your life. It's done, get over it and get on with your lives.
KyrillK 3 years ago
clear talking. yes we know that it was not a plain hitting pentagon. it's just so clear to understand.
jkcph 3 years ago
:o( :o( what are we the people going to do? the clintons refuse to acknowledge that 911 could have been an inside job....Al Gore was the vice president and he seems honest....What does al gore have to say about this damning evidence?
SolomonJohnD 3 years ago
is there any video that takes the side of the official point of view? all these vids...zeitgeist, loose change, etc keep giving the same evidence over and over. it's going in circles. i'm really curious to know what the govt. says about this. i mean it's been almost 7 years and no one has been able to make the govt. explain these obvious flaws with their story?
amarnamriju 3 years ago 2
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That isn't a very convincing video. Really weak.
bilracer 3 years ago
Question, could you shut the fuck up?
hottopic007 4 years ago
the towers had more damage done to them than the pentagon!!! It was a missile!!! Not a fucking plane man
rachcoryashkyar 4 years ago 4
The Pentagon is one of the worlds most heavily guarded buildings w/ video surveillance. Wouldn't there be at least one angle (if not several) showing the crash for more than just 4 frames? Why don't they release this? National Security? What's the threat? We've seen video of the planes hitting the twin towers from multiple angles. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? Couldn't we settle this by seeing clear evidence identifying the crash? Question the official story and they'll drag your name through the mud.
awardwin 4 years ago 2
don't forget we have satilite imagery technology where are those images CHENY DICK must have disabled that for the day too
skibee50 4 years ago
Come on, we're all grown ups; we all know better than the crap they're trying to feed us; this is an inside job... It's one thing if you got some cushy job on some fake cable news show, you know like a O'Reilly, Beck, Hannity, and even Cooper, but we've got nothing to lose. We're the ones under attack; wake up America!!!
mikebtko 4 years ago 3
what are you saying!? i saw this happen from my apartmen. it was a plane
ratlin400 4 years ago
Conformist.
Kerventer 4 years ago
either you have real bad vision or you in fact thing that it was a plane...it could have been a missile...but it was definetely not a plane!!
there isn't any freaking evidence and the u.s. government knows that they fucked up with this one because they can't support their story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
futbolequis 4 years ago
yup and all those light poles were just pulled out of the ground by the hulk after this missile went through a massive generator b4 blowing into the pentagon...or how about a plane did it with it's massive wingspan at over 500mph.
jdawgizzleshizzle 4 years ago
of course the missing people put the Truthers in a bit of a quandry.
lohrtom 4 years ago
I ask, which one sounds more crazy? The ONLY evidence he attempts, are a few pictures that blatantly go against what he is trying to prove(note: firefighter/distroyed colunm). He's an older man, one who has wasted his time. EVEN IF the conspiracy were true, this man would have done the Truth movement a disservice. Alas, the conspiracy is wrong, this video only proves the flawed lengths to which someone will go to disprove truth.
jashoda1 4 years ago
I my church they said it was an UFO! Our government is great thy will only kill for oil. Let's say it was a UFO because they never show a plane going in so then it's a UFO.
yparxw 4 years ago
Who is they? The government? For one, even if they did have a clear video people would just say it was fake or whatever. There will always be conspiracy. But tell the people who were there, who watched it happen. Tell them there was no plane, and they will disagree. Does your church also require anal probes?
jashoda1 4 years ago
You should trust your government and be a good consumer because that's going to save your life. As for the "anal" thing I am sure you will figure it out before you die, mamories will sink in about every dick you had ton sit on that you did not know about.
yparxw 4 years ago
"...mamories will sink in about every dick you had ton sit on that you did not know about."...Nice wording, I will be waiting for the day that "mamories" sink in. Notice, I was not talking about your sexuality, I was simply appealing to your Neptunian UFO bullshit.
jashoda1 4 years ago
I don't believe in UFO's nor I go to church and I am not a neo- con! I just think you are a freak and I was screwing with your head. The memories will sink in one way or another and then you will know for sure who lied to you and who didn't. buy some google stock while you are at it!!!
yparxw 4 years ago
Interrogative, a man claiming that his church "told him" UFOs did it would be considered a freak would he not? Moreover, you haven't even attacked my core arguments, which were directed at this video...Reason? You can. This man is a proven sham.
jashoda1 4 years ago
u r a tool! If u had a job u would not demonstarte most of the mental issues currently in your head. u spend too much time on YT and what do u get out of it? nothing at all! as far as I am concerned there was no plane going into the 5gon! maybe was a dick and u sittin on it all along. Go get a job now it's about time mate!
yparxw 4 years ago
You see, I do have a job, look no further than NAVSCOLEOD. You will also notice my comments with reguards to explosive material, might make more sense. And since we have established my place of emoloyment, it will be good for you to know that I do this when Im bored.... most times it takes a few minutes. Especially for folks like you.
jashoda1 4 years ago
By the way, you still have not attacked my core arguments.
jashoda1 4 years ago
stick some exlosives up your ass and be done with it! you work for the navy that's why you are a tool when you figure out how capitalism work let us know. go argue about abortions you'll be better at it and blow up some abortion clinics like your friend eric did, that's a good way of protest...
yparxw 4 years ago
Number one, Not Navy, Marines. If YOU had the brain power you would certainly know it's a Joint service venture. Number two, of all things where do you get capitalism from? We go from me destroying this video...to you telling me I don't know about capitalism.
jashoda1 4 years ago
even worse marines; paid killers... you think u r doing a service u r part of a corporate army. u have brain power u think, who's killing your friends in IRAQ? u r on the front brainwashed so the others can make money behind your back. wake up man! do u think u serve god? WAKE UP!
yparxw 4 years ago
Paid killer...I like it. First off, again, you seem to forget what my original arguments are. As for "who's killing my friends in Iraq"...you have no clue. You enjoy that luxury, and thats fine by me. Who are YOU to decide what battles are fought and what battles are not. You are a mere YT blogger just like myself. The only difference is I have seen the otherside. You have heard other people speak, attached emotions to what they said, and then ran with it.
jashoda1 4 years ago
And how exactly do you do you relate "people makeing money behind my back" to serving god. Again, you are nothing more than a person who heard someone else speaking. As you have never been to the country, I would assume that all your information is hearsay. You're bable is getting you no where. If I am infact brainwashed, that's fine by me. I personally enjoy the "brainwashed" state in which I live.
jashoda1 4 years ago
u r an army pig! u r used the same way hilter used his own to oppress the world. u r a sad low life. i do get pleasure to see your friends in body bags cause they r in the same cult as u & view the world the same way u do. u live in a foreign country called USA. many dicks u have to ride!
yparxw 4 years ago
Umm, is there another USA that I am not aware of? Last I recalled, there is only one USA, and I am living in it. But since you seem to be able to place me with a cult and the kkk, I am assuming you are also placing my geographic location as well right?
jashoda1 4 years ago
d*ckhead u live in a foreign country for many reasons. #1 this is not a country anymore... do some research! the USA u dream does not exist. #2 u r in the army u get told what they want u to know and u follow orders. # i m placing u south and i wish the south sinks cause i dislike rednecks is this ok with u? get get a job now jason!
yparxw 4 years ago
Well lets start wiht..."u live in a foreign country...#1 this is not a country anymore." Tell me, if I live here, and it's not a country anymore, how is it that I live in a foreign country? Also, I don't mind if you dislike rednecks, I can honestly say I really don't care who you like. And the get a job thing? come on, you have been bashing me for being in the military. And then you say...."the military is not a job..." At which point you will notice no change in my demeanor.
jashoda1 4 years ago
UFO is an abbreviation for Unidentified Flying Object, so, as long as the object flying into Pentagon (hypotethically) is not identified it is technically an UFO..
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
man u waste your time with the army pig who is a marine and lives on YT! he has his own cult and he is "brainwashed" and proud of it! he doesn get it now or ever. hate is his the solution to everything and KKK is where he belongs. He belived what he was told! Be sorry for him...
yparxw 4 years ago
Unlike you Kenzofeis has produced at least some sort of an attempt to attack this argument. Moreover, I have posted just as many posts as you with reguards to your name smearing and whatever. I have also posted about the same as Kenzofeis. Yet you tend to side with him...hypocritical? I think so.
jashoda1 4 years ago
no need to argue with u psychopath! i told u the body bag is waiting for u corporate soldier... there was no plane going into the pentagon, no plane would have made a perfect landing and leave no trace of debris anywhere in there. u need mental help soldier! u serve nothing, u protect nothing other than corporate interests. go back to your cage now!
yparxw 4 years ago
Again, semantics. Since you have not proven otherwise then it's not Unidentified. Many hundreds of people "identified it." Remember my original point was JUST to destroy this vidwo. Mr. vonKleich does that for me. He uses someones partial quote. The importance is two fold. One, it shoes the lenghts he will to go prove a "theory".
jashoda1 4 years ago
freak go take orders & suck some cock to get up in your corporate army pyramid. when u find the plane in your f**king pentagon show it to the rest of the world. in the mean time go study your stupid cult & get futher brainwashed. your USA died it's only in your head. u r an example why they the hate US around the world. arrogant mother f**ker!
yparxw 4 years ago
Two, we agree that he DID in fact use this quote. So that means he must put some credibility in his source. Well his source ACTUALLY said it was "an American Airlines Jet." It's not unidentified. I point to the credibility issue again. He can't have it both ways. Either he is saying that Walter is a good source or not. If yes, then he agrees that the plane IS identified. If no, then this video loses it's credibility.
jashoda1 4 years ago
Tonkin.
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
As suspected, pointing elswhere to EVEN MORE unproven theories, while at the same time dropping the current arguments and running. For clarification again, I am simply disproving this video. Which I have done. And please, no Operation Northwoods...as I have a feeling that's coming next. At least that one was just a plan and never happened.
jashoda1 4 years ago
Unproven? That the Tonkin business was a hoax? hehe! aiai! I say... It is admitted! And what about the Reichtag? The shot in Sarajevo? Pearl Harbor? All these were planned/allowed, and there is so many more.. this is such an old and well used method now.. the Northwood thing is just the beast showing it's ugly face yet again.
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
"...(in childish voice)That was NBC,CBS,ABC,CNN and FOX and ALL the other news agencies..." Imagine that, a man, who speaks condescendingly about people who ask honest questions, doesn't know the difference between a bomb and a missile (even at that only "suggesting" that's what it was), puts his own unfounded opinion against the American Society of Civil Engineers.
jashoda1 4 years ago
"...veterans and military experts....who?" And more importantly, were they there.04:04- "I ask to you see support columns that have been destroyed?"...Call me crazy, but just above that firefighter on the righthand side, is that not clearly a destroyed support column??? Moreover, with all of that smoke, can YOU see through it to make that decision? apparently he can.
jashoda1 4 years ago
This man believes that at BEST a 20,000lb bomb penetrated 9ft. of steel and concrete. Yet, he doesn't think a 350,000lb jetliner could. Brightline (aka, common sense), 9ft= 3 yards, can you honestly tell yourself that 350,000lb traveling at ANY speed, would stop because of three yards of steel and concrete?
jashoda1 4 years ago
Also...another brightline test, those 9 feet are admitedly not next to each other. He is assuming that it's a solid wall. In which case he would still be an idiot. But imagine a piece of drywall... take one sheet and you could punch through it (standing alone, as the walls in the Pentagon were) that 5 of the same sheets, and you're break your fist trying.
jashoda1 4 years ago
throw a loosely squished together ball of alu-foil at something, and then a solid ball of aluminum of same weight... which one will have the most penetration probability? A jetliner is mostly hollow space surrounded by thin sheets of aluminum.. very wide, very weak..
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
Number one, your analogy is wrong by shear physics. We agree that a plane is cylindrical. This means ALL of the kinetic energy will be focused on the nose at impact. Thats nearly 300,000+lbs. A foil ball has no nose the energy is dispersed on impact. ANOTHER test...if you were to drop a steel "breaker bar" from ten feet and it landed flat on your hand, it would probably smash your hand.
jashoda1 4 years ago
Jeez... it is like throwing a thin weak cyliner of alu foil at something.. the nose tip is a bit stronger, and there is some beams at the belly but the rest is like almost nothing.. besides, the wings will most often rip relatively easily off a plane this way because they are not designed for that "vector".. you cannot compare a airliner fuselage to a solid object.
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
Well I tried to entertain your "ball-o-foil" theory to promote an educated argument. Apparently I failed. You cannot compare a BALL to a cylinder. Notice many load bearing columns in builings are cylindrical. Also notice the fronts of many houses, cylindrical columns. Do any of those buildings use "ball" columns as supports? A cylinder is a very strong shape, and when backed with 300,000+lbs it just might have some sort of effect on a building.
jashoda1 4 years ago
A cylinder is a strong shape, under certain conditions... a plane fuselage is not designed to penetrate anything but air and to a minimum.
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
But it inherently retains the qualities of a cylinder just the same. Sure it wasn't MADE for the job. Although I have hear those theories as well. But it CAN do the job. And many people watched it.
jashoda1 4 years ago
Sorry I can't talk right now, somebody rammed a empty sodacan through my car.
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
Must have been one hell of a guy. Put a lot of force behind that can.
jashoda1 4 years ago
Yes, nearly 50.000km/s
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
Almost nothing, so where does this other weight come from? and I am assuming that you have done a research to come up with the conclusion that "the rest is almost nothing." Where is the rest of the weight if the main portion of the aircraft is "almost nothing?"
jashoda1 4 years ago
Most importantly, of course, ball or not. The more solid one will have a greater effect. However, you have to take into consideration the material you are throwing this "ball" at. If the weight can overcome the resistence the wall is pushing back when, then it doesn't matter HOW hollow it is. Again, ALL the kinetic energy is focused to the nose of the plane, where it impacted. AT MOST it was a total of 3 yards.
jashoda1 4 years ago
No the effect, as in Joules, will be the same at same speed and weight.. what will be different is the concentration of force and deformation (transforming kinetic energy into heat). The concentration of force, cross section versus momentum, is what is relevant.. it is what makes a knife cut easier than a spoon.. the nose of a plane is the tip of a very fragile body..
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
A car and a semi tractor trailer hit different people. Does the one hit with the car have a better chance? Yes. If both vehicles were traveling at 50mph would he die? Most likely in both cases that person would die. TOTALLY different weights between the two vehicles. The Semi traveling at the same speed has A LOT more kinetic energy. But the car can do the same damage to the person.
jashoda1 4 years ago
Irrelevant, because it's like comparing crowbars to rocks and leaves.. totally besides my point... *yawn*
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
How so? You see, you must have founded arguments. Otherwise you are nothing more than a normal CTist whos common reply is "Nu uh!" Followed by personal attacks. This illistrates the fact that two different kenitic energy values can have the same effect on a given object, so long as it overcomes it's resistance. If you disagree tell me why.
jashoda1 4 years ago
given any brains you should a long time ago understand what I have explained. I am fed up with this childish method of jumping around the facts just trying to make the opponent look dumb, you must be related to some others who do the same stuff here on youtube.. like poetryhound and.. whatshisname.. nevermind
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
Tell me what fact I have jumped around first. Then I will compare what you said to what I said, then see which one is more logical.
jashoda1 4 years ago
For example the fact that 2 objects hitting a target wall may or may not penetrate due to the "build" of the objects, missiles, projectiles, as anyone can understand - steel wool will hardly penetrate a brick wall as a steel ball, given the same velocity and weight..
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
Neither will water. You could throw bucket upon bucket. But concentrate that stream, and water will cut steel. The nose of that aircraft carried 350,000 lbs of weight behind it. To think that would be unable to crush almost ANYTHING is plane naive.
jashoda1 4 years ago
Put a bus behind a soda can.. does that make the sodacan penetrate a brick wall? It would just crush, the can.. How much of the weight of an airliner is in the wings/tanks? You expect the weight of the wings to shove a thin alu sheet fuselage through thick brick walls even after the wings are ripped off and the fuselage ripped to shreds? Come on. Or are we talking Panzer Flügzeug here made like a good old Tiger tank..
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
This man is questioning weather or not it could pierce 9feet then he says it could be a bunker buster. First off, a bunker buster, THE HEAVIEST we have is 20,000 lbs. The 757s weight? 350,000 lbs. He seems to think that the Bomb just blows it's way to it's targed. Thats not the case. It uses it's own kenetic energy to penetrate. THEN detonates.
jashoda1 4 years ago
There are different types of socalled bunker busters, one is a solid very heavy steel tube, others are more like drone "miniplanes".. the latter with less penetration and fuel tanks that may blow before penetration is complete, and they will also be very able to do horizontal flight for hours.. clue..
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
I am currently studying explosives at NAVSCOLEOD. Not just US but ALL countries. Please, tell me have I been missing something? I have been studying the worlds ordnance, but I have yet to come accross a "drone/miniplane/bunker-buster." Enlighten me. Then show me someone who saw this drone plane.
jashoda1 4 years ago
Where did you get the quote "drone/miniplane/bunker-buster." from? And if u don't get the clue about "drone 'miniplane'" then I suggest u either grow a few more IQ points or go study some more..
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
You tried and failed to give a description of a "bunker-buster" and failed. You say they can be "solid steel tube, the other more like a drone miniplane." Basically you are putting a bunker buster, of one variation or another, together with a drone.
jashoda1 4 years ago
Well, ok, the "bunker buster" term is a bit misleading here, let's just call it "penetrator payload"...
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
By the way, no matter what vehicle the "explosive(ie bunker-buster) is in, it's still researchable. So again, what model of drone was it?
jashoda1 4 years ago
Was what? Did I say that one of those hit the Pentagon in this "debate"? But, it would seem more than likely, given that the incident is based on sort of an excersise that was turned into a propaganda asset..
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
*sigh* .. when I used the term "drone/miniplane" it was to make it more understandable to anyone not so familiar to military gadgets and terminology.. an AGM86 could be considered a "drone/miniplane" given the similarities.. I have no fetish for frolicking in technicalities here..
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
Wow, I could literaly pick about every word apart from this guy. Just an example... 03:33..."A bunker buster, or, a missile..." Wrong answer... "bunker buster" is a loose term reserved for bombs that simply use weight and a delayed fuze to penetrate a certain ammount of earth before detonation. NOT A MISSILE. Even the picture he shows is a bomb with a guidance system on the nose. VIDEO DISCREDITED
jashoda1 4 years ago
As long as it is an object doing a ballistic or sustained flight headed for a target to hit, it is a missile.
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
Proof that the name of your game is semantics. No need to repost, but just look to your earlier latin definition of the word. In there you have ordnance including but not limited to "dropped" and "thrown." That would be a contradiction. Unless of course you know of a "miniplane/hand grenade." In which case I would love to know where I would find this information. Keep with your story and I will do the same.
jashoda1 4 years ago
Your just a bullshitter that refuse to stand corrected. ffs it's not ME that set the meaning of the word! Go grow a brain willya
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
I understand you are not the one who set the meaning, nor the definition. Yet you chose to use two different definitions. First definition says it could be anything. The second? "Ballistic or sustained flight headed for a target."
jashoda1 4 years ago
I quoted directly from an encyclopaedia, 3 different types of objects to be called missiles. If you throw something it will be a ballistic missile, if it is propelled, like a rocket, it is also a missile.. be it a chestnut or a - woooo - AGM86 (see other "clue")
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
Really, well odd that you mention the AGM 86. What specific AGM might I ask? as you know there are variants. If you are speaking of the "blast/frag" variant you will have just incurred a whole slew of new problems. If you choose the nuclear variant, then you're an idiot. You see, if it were in fact the AGM 86 ** ANY variant, it would have thrown frag for AT LEAST a mile and a half. Please, where is the frag?
jashoda1 4 years ago
As you may know, a number of various payload/warheads can be placed in these, also penetrators..
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
Wrong, they are not used as "penetrators" you are fighting a losing battle on this one. If there is one thing I know for sure, it's explosives. Not just dynamite, HBX, tetratol, HMX, C4, etc....but explosive ORDNANCE as well. Fact: It's not used as a penetrator this is not opinion, it's fact.
jashoda1 4 years ago
YOU are wrong. Only problem was implementing sensory circuits to count voids/layers to make these detonate at a desired point in e.g. a building complex/bunker complex..
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
So going back to the video, are you saying that there were 6 AGMs? You are correct in the way something penetrates. However, on that basis there would have had to be 6, as there were 6 walls that were penetrated. Also, have you ever personally seen ANY blast from ANY ordnance? If you have you would know it doesn't not blast in a straight line
jashoda1 4 years ago
Blasts go outward. Not to mention you still do not account for frag. To recap you are asserting that an AGM hit the pentagon. One that senses it's target once it penetrates. Problem is, there were 6 walls breached. So unless there were 6 shaped charge toting AGMs you lose again. And again, did ANYONE describe a drone aircraft?
jashoda1 4 years ago
Blasts go in any direction, but will take the easiest route, sort of an exception is shaped charges where indeed this very phenomenon is exploited to focus part of the blast into a "jet" on one side. Apart from this, who really knows what hit and what did'nt? It's buried too, just like the Pentagon lawn was shortly after this.
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
No need to explain explosives and explosive theory to me. True, the easiest route out of it's explosive casing, which means it STILL explodes out. Again, still no evidence of frag, nor blast overpressure. Not a drop. There were people who saw and heard a plane, none saw or heard an AGM. Its easy to question, but being STILL unfounded, it's easier to disprove.
jashoda1 4 years ago
Not only out of the casing, but also any wall or other target surface will be an obstacle making any blast prefer to go the other way unless forced to try and blow it's way through the obstacle, e.g. by putting a "counterweight" on the other side of the explosive, or focusing it to making a penetration more likely. No blast overpressure? What happened to the building, and what we see in the released vid is a pressure free explosion?
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
So I am correct in assuming that you have never been near an explosion of any type. If a large ammount of explosives were used, there would be a large blast overpressure. The Frag would be much greater but you would have overpressure just the same. So ONCE AGAIN, where is the frag, were are the witnesses that felt the overpressure, and where are the wons who spotted a drone.
jashoda1 4 years ago
WHO FELT IT? Again with the frag, WHERE IS IT? The frag distance is almost ALWAYS MUCH greater than the blast overpressure radius...Where's the frag?
jashoda1 4 years ago
Why was the lawn covered with gravel almost immediately after the horrendous breach of any plane crash investigation routine?
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
Does an AGM86-D penetrate only 1 wall? Did you ever notice the vertically cut sides of that inner hole - yes CUT - what explosive charge would do this, or, what sort of small and few fragments of a plane would do this?
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
Penetrating is one thing. Blasting is another. What I am saying is simple, you're saying that the AGM had a predeterminted target...once it reaches that target it detonates. However there is no blast indicators. Nothing at all, again, if you have ever experienced a detonation of ANY size you would see certain characteristics. The two main ones being the blast and frag radius. A 2 lbs C4 can be felt almost a quarter mile away. You are contending that nearly 2000 lbs of HE was used...
jashoda1 4 years ago
If someone wanted they could put a jerrycan filled with black powder in it, or a keg of pee.. or a suitcase with underwear. Have I experienced detonations.. Well during military courses my platoon was standing 40m away from a 18,5kg HMX blast, blown simultaneously with one around 10kg plus a couple hundred meter of detonating fuse chopping down a couple pine-trees. Yes we had cover. Yes well..
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
Again, the or information you give the less credible you are. 18.5 kg/HMX right? Plus 10Kg/HMX.....Well at least the frag distance would be the same, BUt the blast would increas by over 50% by adding in that second shot. 40meters away? I don't think so. Hell I at least 100m away from a couple pounds. OH, and you cant use "DET CORD" to cut down anything. That was a myth I tried out two weeks ago.Unless you were to wrap ALL 100m around one tree then you might.
jashoda1 4 years ago
In our "hell-week" we sit in a shallow trench, circular, when 5kg TNT blows on the ground in the center of it.. as a test of nerves.. hehe this shows me that u don't know too much about what you talk about. Well, for one, the air went out and in of our lungs a few time due to the pressure wave. We were standing in a little "tunnel" pointing the other way. Had to wait 4-5 minutes before leaving cover due to stuff falling down. Det cord is excellent at chopping trees.
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
Should mention that the radius is 5m; distance from the TNT charge to personel is 5m. That's a nice little bang. Fun too.
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
Again, det cord works to cut down trees if you are making a million wraps. I just did this about a month ago... if anything it splinters the tree and that's about it. MAYBE if it was dead and only a few inches in diameter. And "hell-week" for what? I would love to hear this one.
jashoda1 4 years ago
This shows how much you (don't) know about this... let's take this off old damaged memories.. I won't bother to go get the old yellow pamflet thing with the formulaes.. 1 tree approx 28cm dia: make 28 + 10 turns extra, feel free to add a few more.. like 30-35m.
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
There are plenty of charges that can do it and are designed to do so. Does that mean it happened? No. Over the history of plane crashes, how many times has there been "small and few" fragments? Most importantly, leads back to the frag radius, if the AGM did indeed frag the Pentagon...WHERE IS IT? And again, where are the people who saw it?(At least the fifth time that has been asked.)
jashoda1 4 years ago
In every plane crash there has also been very big chunks, as a rule the tail section and the engines will be "big chunks" to be found. The type of sheet used in planes are "hardened" to be stiffer yet flexible, but this also means it will crack and rip apart easier when certain mechanical stresses are exceeded. Meaning: lots of small frags too.
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
Number one, there is no "penetrator" warhead. 2000lbs is large, but if it can't bury itself the blast does not have nearly the effect. (think fire cracker in closed hand) If you believe the soft bodied 86** can do it your nuts. And if it was the 86, how did it have the force to penetrate, yet the 350,000lb plane couldn't?
jashoda1 4 years ago
Does "AGM86-D" tell you anything? I bet it does. But you don't want people to see through you, do you..
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
You see, the more information that you give the less credible you become. I know it's easy look up stuff on the net and then use it in an argument. But when you do look something up, it's best to pay close attention. You see, AGM-86...D is a conversion. When was it tested and fielded? Nov. 2001. Im sure you will come back with something along the lines of "we had it before..." or whatever. Bottom line, production of this model wasn't until AFTER 9/11
jashoda1 4 years ago
I did'nt say that an AGM86-D was used against the Pentagon, we were discussing wether there are a "bunker buster" type of these, which u denied, and this was coming out of a discussion about missiles. Anyway, an AGM86 does not have to carry any warhead at all to be sendt to a target.
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
Oh, the documents I looked at says "deployed" at the date you mention.
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
See the difference between you and me, I have access to everything there is to know about this, and ANY ordnance item, as it IS my job. The information that you seek on the net will not do you justice. There is a reason things are classified. Do you honestly think that all the information on EVERYTHING we have, ESPECIALLY something this sensitive, would be on the net? No.
jashoda1 4 years ago
Exactly. What you say now told me volumes about YOU, and about the other matter. Good.
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
Oh yeah? What does it tell you, that Im an at Explosive Ordnance Disposal at NAVSCOLEOD...and from time to time it's necessary to look up information on various types of ordnance. Is that the "volumes" you speak of? Or were you implying one of the normal rediculous responses of a CTist.
jashoda1 4 years ago
You obviously dunno too much about explosives, so why all this bullshit?
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
It is just the same.
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
people are asking the question can a 757 cause this.. the question should be, can a 757 with 20,000 gallons of jet fuel cause this? 20,000 gallons of jet fuel impacting at 500 mph is a missle.. so for all you conspiritists keep listening to idiots..
joehoo74 4 years ago
I saw a UFO! I think this was done by aliens. Maybe even Hitler! This is a free country so they told us the truth.
yparxw 4 years ago
These tanks of kerosene is not one concentrated little container, they are "spread out" in the wings, over many meters.. and the wings have nothing to do with the fuselage "penetrating" anything.
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
I'm confused with this one. Are you saying the wings didn't penetrate and they should have? There are a number of posibilities for this. Definitively, I wouldn't know. I could guess that impact ignited the wings, similar to normal plane crashes. Maybe they were pulled inside, that seems logical as well, kinda like stuffing a dollar in your pocket, it kind of folds back and you push it into your pocket.
jashoda1 4 years ago
The wings would just "splat" against the hard surface, tanks burst and disperse the kerosene, ignition would be extremely likely, engines would penetrate one or more walls due to the weight and strength of the axles/framing/hubs, aluminum has very high friction rate; it "sticks" - so pulling the wings in? :P A big NOPE.
Kenzofeis 4 years ago
I wonder why the grass is so green in front of the Pentagon? Even if the wings broke off.
deric8 4 years ago
I wonder if worms had guns would birds still hunt them?
jashoda1 4 years ago
It is good to make videos like this but there is really nothing that can turn a non believer to a believer, they have to come to the realization themselves.
ShaggyTheClown17 4 years ago
the explosion of the plane that hit is caused the wings to fall back and go down and fit in the "little" hole.. and exploded in there while the rest of the plane went right though the weak pentagon. A plane hit the thing. FACT.
kingj0n 4 years ago
say... wooot?
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Kenzofeis 4 years ago
Then where did the plane go? Did it disintegrate? Where is all the luggage? The seats? Clothes and debris strewn about the lawn? And why did the wings not fold back when they hit the WTC? Why will no one show definitive proof a plane hit? If the plane exploded, why was the roofline still attached for so long?
ClbBluJkt 4 years ago
this is the best video AND prove about pentagon 9/11 i have seen so far. it is proved there was no boeing757! thank you!
pianist111 4 years ago
How can a large commercial airliner fly at such high speed and that low height????? How come theirs no evidence of a plane crash no wings no tail section nothing i guess it just evaporated into thin air????? ?????
chefandew 4 years ago