Do you think this is funny?! ...Completly making other peoples beliefs that they live by a joke? i could say so many things that disprove evolution and make that look stupid but i choose not to because i know its other peoples relegion which is highly respected
kirk Cameron should really put some inflection in his voice when he speaks... he makes it way to easy to cut and splice his words ha ha also nice work on the animation
@BelialAndar Let's see. So far you've just touted off your version without giving any actual proof. I have given you actual examples proving my side, and furthermore pinpointed the beginning of the perpetuation of the lies you are propagating. And WHO needs to do research? You haven't given a single verifiable example of your proofs where I have already given you several. your basically a propagating machine.
Evolution is certainly based upon the scientific method, though much of it is based upon extrapolating from what is observable and able to be tested today including genetics, mutation, living species, fossil remains and the like.
And the reasons you have for believing in god and his "word" are what, again? And if his word is "certain," I guess everything in the Bible is true? Or just some things? Do you think everything scientific is wrong or just the stuff that contradicts the Bible?
@TheUkester69 It is a fallacy to say evolution contradicts the Bible. Specifically the fallacy of reification (or pathetic/personification).
Of course, literal creationists make the same fallacy, so I understand. But you really need to understand it is the creationist doctrine that is wrong.
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"does have a useful and important role in art and literature" however "in the natural sciences, a pathetic fallacy is a serious error in scientific reasoning if taken literally."
@TheUkester69 True science has never contradicted the Bible. Also if you know about extrapolation, it is not always an exact science by a long shot. Any mathematician can tell you about the problems with extrapolation. Yes, everything in God's word is true by definition because God doesn't lie. Also some of the greatest scientist in history were creationists, Newton, Pasteur, Faraday, Boyle just to name a few. There are no true transitional forms either. You can't find them in the fossil record
@mRUSSIA I'm not sure what you mean by "true" science, but let's take the virgin birth as an example. Medical science tends to contradict the possibility that a virgin can conceive a child. Unless Mary was artificially inseminated, it's unlikely this biblical claim is accurate. Furthermore, Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel. Somehow, Cain later had a wife, I believe. Where did she come from if god did not create her? Science tends to dispute spontaneous creation.
@TheUkester69 Adam & Eve would have had other children including daughters the biblical record doesn't mention. Before the Fall of Man there was no build up of genetic mutations that make marriage between close relatives dangerous. Cain and Able would have married sisters. Adam & Even would have had many children besides just the two brothers.
@mRUSSIA Before the fall of man there was no build of of genetic mutation? Uhh.. :: flips through bible :: I guess the writers forgot to mention that bit of scientific insight. Oh well, I guess we just have to throw out your entire paragraph as just another lie :-D
@mRUSSIA Well, if Adam and Eve were the first human beings, and archaeology (a science) has shows that the writers of the bible were so "meticulously accurate," why aren't all of those many other children mentioned? And if these writers were so accurate, I guess it's factually true that Noah and some of the other people literally lived to be 900 years old or older? Wait, let me guess: people were naturally healthier back then and the great flood screwed everything up and left us with diseases?
@TheUkester69 We are just going to have to 'agree to disagree'. It looks like you have already been given over to a 'reprobate' mind. There is usually some sin in a person's life that they don't want to depart with. What is it that stops you from believing the truth of God's word? Do you like to take things that don't belong to you? Do you like to lust? Commit fornication? Get revenge on your enemies? Take God's name in vain? What do you love so much that it is keeping you from eternal life?
@mRUSSIA Why I am an ex-Christian, the CONTRADICTIONS in the Bible. That is why it is NOT the word of a deity. Christians lied to me to my face and insulted my intelligence trying to explain away what are clearly contradictions. They also can't prove there is ANY life after death save for a pile of contradictory near death experiences.
@mRUSSIA "What is it that stops you from believing the truth of God's word?" If I knew what God's word was, maybe I'd believe it. Again, you have no evidence that the bible is God's word. Maybe God spoke through Melville when he wrote Moby Dick. Maybe he spoke through the Beatles or Shakespeare. I don't know, and neither do you. (My guess would be the Beatles.)
A "just" god would not judge us for not believing in him when he's provided us with such poor evidence of his existence.
@TheUkester69 There is overwhelming evidence of God's existence. You just refuse to look at it. You don't know God on a personal level, however Christians do. It is like a father telling his son not to go and touch a hot stove. The child now has the knowledge not to touch the hot stove given by his father who already knows the danger but the child decides to touch it anyway. He touches it, gets burnt and has now moved into the realm of experience and not just knowledge of it.
@TheUkester69 Then let us say a skin specialist and one of the engineers who built the stove come in and try to convince the child he didn't get burned. No matter how much they try to convince him, he will not believe them because he now knows from personal experience the stove is hot. You look at the Bible with prejudice against it because you don't know the author of the book. You hate Him and refuse to believe no matter what evidence is there.
@mRUSSIA You are confusing knowledge with faith, evidence with hope. You have faith that God exists. You hope the bible is accurate. Your argument is this: The bible is the true word of God because God wrote it and I know God exists because the bible tells me all about him. The bible is just not good evidence of anything.
And you're wrong: I don't hate anyone. I just refuse to believe in a supernatural being based solely upon stories in a book written by people, imperfect people.
@TheUkester69 I don't hope the Bible is true. I know it is true. I trust Jesus Christ and what He said. He confirmed the historicity of the Old Testament record including Genesis. If I did not believe His words about the Creation account I would indirectly be calling the Son of God a liar. He believed in a literal Adam & Eve, Noah's flood, Cain & Abel, etc. We are going to have to end this back and forth stuff and just agree to disagree. I believe & trust Christ. I will pray for your salvation.
@mRUSSIA You believe what Jesus says because otherwise you'd be calling the son of god a liar. Except you're trusting what someone wrote decades after Jesus died as proof of what Jesus said. It's all circular. The bible says Jesus was the son of god. Jesus confirms this in the bible. Therefore, the bible must be accurate, because otherwise Jesus is lying. And the son of god wouldn't lie.
Clearly this doesn't make sense.
Please don't waste your time praying for me. It's pointless.
@TheUkester69 Here's the mistake you made trying to reason with a creationist. You tried to reason with a creationist. Creationist don't understand reason and science. If one is inclined to believe that a magic fairy that came from a cats but whispered a super code that made the universe you would think them insane and probably not capable grasping reality, yet for some reason we should respect the nonsensical ramblings of creationists. I don't see the point.
@Richardisdorky You have a good point. I'm trying to convince a creationist that his entire belief system is bullshit and he's trying to convince me my soul needs saving. Neither of us are going to get anywhere.
@TheUkester69 Save yourself the pain and just walk away. If they were going to be able to understand the futility of their beliefs they probably would be creationist to being with. Belief is useless only knowledge and understanding of how to apply that knowledge is truly useful. Everything is just a waist of time.
@mRUSSIA "What do you love so much that it is keeping you from eternal life?" Evidence. And frankly, it wouldn't take much effort on God's part. Just appear before us at the Super Bowl, unannounced, at half-time. Or show up at City Hall in New York City and hold a press conference and heal some people. I'm serious. God appeared to all of those people who wrote the bible for all those centuries and now only Pat Robertson is the only one who ever hears from him? That doesn't make sense.
@TheUkester69 As far as the reliability of the Bible, there are hundreds of prophesies that have been literally fulfilled made hundreds of years in advance of their fulfillment. Also archeology has proven the biblical writers were meticulously accurate in their historical narrative and also in their copying the the biblical texts.(The Dead Sea Scrolls are a good example of this.) Also the Bible has changed millions of lives over the centuries. That is something science can't account for.
@mRUSSIA Uhh... it is easy to apply modern day events to any ancient writing and spin it as prophecy, the writers contradict each other and many super natural events do not show up in any other writings where they should have been obviously noticed. The invention of hand sanitizer has changed millions of lives... and countless other scientific discoveries that would span pages upon pages to list fully. Your anti-science arrogance is dangerously blinding.
@mRUSSIA Yes, the Bible has changed millions of lives over the centuries. It's because people have believed in it. That doesn't make it's contents true.
Besides, science has changed many more lives. Penicillin, electricity, the x-ray, computers, the discovery of bacteria and viruses, pharmacology that goes beyond leaches, refrigeration, the jet engine, cancer treatment, vaccinations. The products of science have changed many more lives than the Bible and in more ways than the merely spiritual.
@TheUkester69 Let's disregard the scientific arguments for a minute. Would you consider yourself to be a good person? Did you know the Bible considers lust the same as adultery and hatred the same as murder? Have you ever lied? Stolen anything regardless of it's value? There is a judgement day coming. God's word says that "All liars, fornicators, adulterers, murderers" etc. will spend eternity in the "Lake of Fire." God is perfect and holy and you have broken His law.
@mRUSSIA The Bible also considers it a sin to work on the sabbath, accepts slavery as the norm, and dictates that we should kill (1) women who are discovered not to be virgins when they marry (2) children who disrespect their parents and (3) anyone who prays to a different god, among many others. In the New Testament, Jesus says to bring before him those who would not accept him as king, and to slay them in front of him. What the bible considers to be a sin or to be righteous is f-ed up.
@TheUkester69 God gave you a conscience to know right from wrong and the witness of His creation. You can't be saved by good works or being a good person. God says "There is no one good." I have some good news for you though. God sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for your sins on the cross. Then He rose from the dead. So if you will repent(turn from sin & self) and put your trust in Jesus Christ you will be saved. It is God's gift to you but you need to put your trust exclusively in Christ.
@TheUkester69 Jesus paid your fine and now the Lord can let you go. If you say "I don't believe in Jesus or the Bible," that doesn't matter. You will have to face Him on judgement day wether you believe in HIm or not. You can say I don't believe in gravity and jump off a tall building but you are going to suffer the consequences anyway. I don't know you but I don't wan't you to go to hell especially over 'scientific' information that is always changing. Put your trust in Christ today.
@mRUSSIA Of course scientific information is changing. It's called "learning." As we learn more and technology and creative thought allow us to do so, science evolves. What we know evolves. The final chapters of the bible were written, I think, around 1800 years ago. The people who wrote them may have been wise in a lot of ways, but to rely on everything they wrote in one book--and to disregard anything that contradicts that book, everything humans have discovered since then--is folly.
@mRUSSIA My other point is, if there is a god, as we think we know him, then yes, the word of god must be true by definition. But what is the word of god? If you answer the bible, I would respond, what reason do you have to believe that the bible is the one and only true and complete word of god?
God by definition doesn't lie. But we humans could have been deceived all these years by those other humans who wrote those books centuries ago. The bible lacks any credibility whatsoever.
Have u lied? Have u stolen? Jesus said if you look at a women with lust u have committed adultery with her in your heart.
If God judge’s u by the Ten Commandments will u be innocent or guilty? Heaven or Hell? The Bible teaches despise the value of your eye compared to the value of your soul. would u sell your eye for a million dollars? And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. needgod.com
You guys have no real scientific evidence for evolution so you have to resort to video manipulation and lies. You just show you are desperate to make Christians look foolish when you are only making yourselves look foolish. Read Romans 1. It describes you perfectly. You need to wake up, repent and put your trust in Jesus Christ. Judgement day is coming. God will have perfect justice in His way and time.
@mRUSSIA What do you consider "scientific"? It's one thing to say, "Hey, I don't believe in science," which is ridiculous but honest. But to say there's no scientific evidence for evolution is intellectually bankrupt. Almost every serious scientist believes in the theory of evolution because it has been scrutinized using the SCIENTIFIC METHOD.
And oh, damn, if it's written in Romans 1 it MUST be true. Forget it, might as well just go bang my head against a wall. Just as useful.
@TheUkester69 Evolution doesn't use the scientific method. Real science involves experimentation that can be repeated and can be confirmed as either true or false in a controlled environment. Evolution does not fall into this category. No one was there to actually see it happen and we can't test it in a laboratory today. RIchard Phillips an accomplished American Physicist stated. "If you thought that science was certain-well, that is just an error on your part." God and His word are certain.
Wow, you have a bad sense of humor. You know Kirk doesn't believe you pieced together him saying at different times. If you did the same thing to the Bible you would also get something that isn't true. At least the Bible doesn't have to make up theories, guesstimate or saw down bones to make it fit the way someone says, "its supposed to be". The Bible contains no opinions.
@EVERYONE If the Bible has ever been actually disproven, please name the chapter and verse that has been totally been proven wrong. Please include your source, and make sure that it's not a "theory" or opinion, but something that has been disproved.
If you think it has, state your proof, and make sure the Bible is actually stating what you think it is, and you aren't just misinterpreting it.
@tecusen. I never said that something not being disproven makes it true, what I said is that truth cannot be disproven, there's a huge difference. You simply misinterpreted the meaning and then attacked your misinterpretation. That's called a straw man arguement. Furthermore, the Bible isn't a sentence or two long, its 66 books with every kind of detail imaginable, accounts of civilizations and historical events and tons of other things. It's never been disproven, only theorized to be wrong.
It has never been disproven that I am the great Coodledoo, leader of all cogniscent bananas bent on bringing peace and harmony to the outer regions of Nepal. If it has never been disproven, it must be true. Don't listen to those who simply state that I am not he, for truly I say unto you I am. Discount also those scientists who say that rocks cannot think. They too are working for world peace, but in the Greater Boston area. Disbelievers are heretics. BTW, God agrees; it's in a book.
scientists admit they don't know everything? no extraterrestrial life could visit earth because the distances are so great. ever heard that one? it's impossible for man to fly. how bout that one? the earth is the center of the universe. that one? we, as man, always think .. oh, now we know everything. oh wait, now we know everything. the extraterrestrial one points out our arrogance that no other life form could possibly be smarter then us. what you've done is illegal.
Sounds like Darwin didn't even believe his own theory.
“To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberrations, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.” - Charles Darwin Charles Darwin, Origin of Species, (London: J.M. Dent and Sons, 1971), p. 167.
@denise080903 Now, open your copy of "Origin of Species" and read the next couple paragraphs. Your quote mining is, at the very least, dishonest and misleading. At the very, very least it's intellectually dishonest. PLEASE, post the rest of that passage from OoS, OK? Let the world know you're more than just another lying theist.
@denise080903 Here's the very next sentence, which you seemed to leave out for some reason....
"Yet reason tells me that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case;
@denise080903 And the rest of the next sentence.....
; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real."
So Darwin did NOT believe it couldn't happen naturally, but the total opposite.
@gvman3670 Thank you for your response. It wasn't meant to be lying, dishonest etc... This along, w/other things, would be interesting to discuss, if you would resist name calling. Since apparently you can't do that, I will refrain from engaging in conversation here. I will leave you with this. I suppose you are an atheist. If your beliefs are correct, no skin off my nose. However if you are wrong; what then? Perhaps God is something you should check out before you write off.
@denise080903 Sorry if you think I was being mean. But that was creationist sourced quote mining if I've ever seen it. Actually reading the book would have avoided all that. LOL
FWIW, I grew up in a fundie household. I've read the Bible cover to cover many times, even the Tanakh (Hebrew's tough) and many older texts as well, like Babylonian, Akkadian and Vedic writings. So my atheism is a product of learning. I cannot swallow the blatant untruths in those primitive texts.
@denise080903 The point, I guess, is that I know the BS in the Bible, from bad translations to inconsistencies and even to disagreement in info between books. Or the fact that 51 books were omitted at the Nicean Council, some of which were good reading (Apocryphal books, like Enoch).
Besides, who in their right mind could base their lives around the wacked out ramblings of uneducated Bronze Age sheep herders who had questionable morals themselves? I know I can't.
@gvman3670 I thought when I saw your first line of “Sorry if…” that we might have a fresh start to a civil discussion. I found your background & comments interesting; however you still felt it necessary to revert back to attacking people and their beliefs VS. solely discussing the topic. For this reason, I won't engage further. As for me, I try to base my life on the love one carpenter had for mankind. You appear to be a learned man. I encourage you to continue your search.
@denise080903 Honestly, who did I attack? I attacked noone besides immoral Bronze Age sheep herders. You surely aren't one of those, are you? LOL!! I didn't "attack" anyone at all.
Here's a bit of insight, though. Your response tells me you're a highly emotional individual. Your clinging to those beliefs therefore is probably emotionally based. But what if I told you your Bible condones slavery and rape of young women? How would that effect you emotionally? It bothers me.
what a useless piece of shit for a human being. so much better could have formed instead of this embarrassment for a human being. i spit on you, kirk cameron, i hope you get aids.
How many Lies do you think you have told in your life? Ever stolen anything, even something small? Have you ever looked at a person with lust? Have you ever used GOD's name as a curse word? If you have, GOD sees you as a Lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart. The Guilty will end up in Hell. That's not GOD's will. You broke GOD's laws, but Jesus paid your fine! (IF) you Repent, and trust in Christ alone, GOD will forgive every sin you have ever committed, and grant you Eternal life!
@tnafguy Troll harder ... you fail at trolling. The fact you don't understand the evidence for evolution means you are either uneducated on the subject or trolling ... I am going trolling because it would mean you are at least educated on the subject.
@tnafguy Science is proving the origin of concept of evolution and refining it through new knowledge. Nothing has shown evolution not to be true. The old stuff was wrong, we got new stuff. Hence when people go "Darwin said ...." I start to laugh. Its been over 150 years, get up to date with it.
You're right when you say the bible is unscientific and requires blind faith. The thing you missed here Kirk is that it's all true. I ask you: What does it matter that it's unscientific and requires you to trust it without seeing "evidence" or "proof" and then proves itself true after the fact?
@sthnwatch you have a point but that doesnt mean you have to be stupid, the bible has been maipulated by unscrupulous leaders to control and preach hatered and ignorance. you have to use the mind that god gave you in order to understand what your being told in the book.
@algonquin81 Oh, really. Maybe if you would admit to the probability/possibility of the existence of God and open that boxed-in mind, you might be surprised! BTW, how is your life, honestly, without the God who knew you b4 the foudation of time? I can tell you this--mine is much better with Him,than it would ever be w/out. I have a good friend who was a die-hard atheist. She was a seeker, and now has a life with God involved in it. She is a different (better) person in many ways.
It must have something to do with that new medication discovered by scientists and medical doctors at the Dawkins institute. The new cure for christan delusion. The new medication to cure Islam will also be on the market soon. It is said that they will be able to take a wild-eyed muslim lunatic and turn him into a peace-loving Atheist.
BTW-Can you name One Thing that You Know is Scientifically True about evolution? I'm refering to the common belief of one species evolving into another species. (I need to clarify myself with your type of self-deceived persons). Since you can't, you have no excuse for lying to yourself & others. Repent b4 it's 2 late 4 U.
You aren't a threat, you're just pointless. Science is only based on mans understanding and interpretation. Man's interpretation is always flawed. If you take a science book from 20 years ago and try to pass a test today, you will fail because it's changed so much.
Well actually, scientists today still use scientific concepts from as far back as the 1600's with Newtonian physics and Kepler's works. Also there are accounts of scientific theories that date way back from the time of Pythagoras that are still correct. I don't think you understand what science really is because flaws are very much welcome in scientific studies and open to improvements. Oh and btw, I use textbooks on classical mechanics and thermodynamics from the 70's and pass.
@aistobasbistoc9 Of course there are flaws and while flaws may be "welcome" as you say, you have to realize that once a flaw is exposed, nobody "accepts" it. They disprove it! Then they disregard it. Science is not meant to endorse flawed theories, the purpose of science is simply to find truth. Truth cannot be disproven. It cannot contradict itself.
@zionram "Science" as you call it does continually endorse flawed theories. One of the biggest flawed "sciences" would be the age of the Earth. They have tried to date the age from erosion which is impossible because it doesn't account for natural disasters and the dating of rocks which does not work either. Yet they still hold both theories in high regard and state the age of things as fact.
@Amills11 I have never heard of any scientist recently try to date the earth by erosion and would like to know how you came to this conclusion and what scientist supposedly said this. oh and by the way the earth has been dated to 4.54 billion yrs... not by erosion but by radiometric dating which measures the decay of radioactive isotopes and please don't just take my word for it do some research, ask a geologist or better yet educate your self.
@TioPhillippe Your not getting it. The Bible has never been disproven. It was written from an all knowing God.If that is true, then he wouldn't have to update anything. What he says is true and has always been true, and anything any man will ever learn God has already known when he wrote the Bible.Therefore there is no need to update anything as the truths apply to all ages and all circumstances. Furthermore, nothing in the Bible has been actually disproved, its only been theorized to be wrong.
@zionram As technology changes, we find better ways of observing what we estimate. See the thing is, we know we are not perfect nor do we claim it. We can admit we are wrong and admit we do not know. Religion on the other hand refuses to admit they do not know and demands perfection (even though it is not achievable). I will take the beauty of chaos over ugly perfection any day.
@BelialAndar I understand what science is. Its man's attempt to understand the world around him with what resources and knowledge he has. But science is a process of trial and error. It includes error. That means what we believe today may not actually be true. But on the other hand, no matter how long the bible has been around, it's always been believed to be true, and has never been disproven.
@zionram You obviously do not get out much. Only reading the bible will not help you understand anything. The bible was not written by god, It was written by man. By men who were not even alive when all the stories unfolded. Not one single account in the bible was from someone who witnessed any of the stories. There are no history based stories about Jesus outside of the bible. I would thing it would be common history if it was documented, Not part of some fairy tail.
@BelialAndar Show one proof that the bible is true. Without using that circular god is infallible and he wrote the bible. Everyone knows that's just something you say when you can not prove the bible right. I won't hold my breath for a response with your proof, With my experience debating Christians you will more than likely change the subject or not reply back at all.
@BelialAndar You said "There is no history based stories about Jesus outside of the Bible". Actually you are wrong! Thallus (52 AD) Spoke of an eclipse of the sun during the crucifixion of Christ, and Pliny the younger 61-113 AD also wrote about him. Look it up. Furthermore, there is actually more historical writing and first hand accounts saying that Jesus existed, by a long shot, then there is that Julias Ceaser existed. Do some research, and you will find it to be so.
@zionram You need to do some real research instead of believe only what other christian sites tell you. There is no historical evidence outside the bible, There is no census of Jesus existing either. The census would have a record. Which it does not. The only evidence you will find of Jesus is in the bible, Which even historians of the christian faith can not use as factual, Due to there being no real accounts recorded outside the bible of biblical stories.
@BelialAndar Actually there is quite a few secular authors who wrote about Jesus and the early Church. Just the existence of Christianity alone is enough proof.
@Amills11 You say there are quite a few secular authors who wrote about Jesus and the early church, But did not say they stated he existed, That is where you fail to provide the proper evidence for your claim along with an author name. And no the existence of a religion alone is not proof that it is true, There are still practiced religions today that are older than Christianity. And Christianity has taken holidays and rituals from these said holidays.
@BelialAndar Easter, In celebration of Ester the goddess of fertility, Hence that is were we get the Easter Bunny and eggs from. Christmas trees, Burning yule logs, Come from the Greeks, Christmas is the celebration of equinox change. The bible never gave a specific date on which Jesus was born. And it never said 3 wise men either, It says a few wise men. Christianity can't even get it's own facts straight.
@Amills11 If the mere existence of a religion is enough evidence of it being true then wouldn't that cause some serious problems for Christianity? The Bible states that your god is the only god yet there are many other religions that claim the same thing, so by your logic all other religions would be true... and false?
@BelialAndar I have done research, and I found out that Acharya S and "zeitgeist films" is the propagater of the majority of these lies about there being no historical Jesus. She has been entirely discredited. You aren't going to find any real historian who has done his homework denying the existence of Jesus unless they have some sort of agenda. I don't believe it because of "christian websites". You believe what you do because of lying websites.
@zionram Ok mister conspiracy theorist. I could care less about Zeitgeist film. Nor do you know your historians very well. BTW you obviously do not know your bible that well either. You can believe what you want. But I encourage you to really learn how to do research, If all you could come up with is Zeitgeist, Just saying. You are turning out to be a big waste of time just like all the others. All you can say is god did it, Without looking at any facts. Good day sir.
@zionram Good point- that must be why the Bible is so incredibly wrong. If you take a science book from 20 years ago and take and try to pass a test today, you will pass- but only with a C- because understandings have changed over the last 20 years. If you take the Bible from 2000 years ago and try to pass a test today, you will fail with an F because human understanding was so poor back then. Like you say the beauty of science is that it actually improves unlike the Bible!
IF we go to Laws and technicalities, the one who made this video can be taken to court for manipulating testimonies giving by another person... Google can be taken responsible for participating; by letting this video to be posted.
I think you need to get a lawyer soon! ;)
YEAH Laugh out loud but I heard the hairs from the back of your neck popping up as you read that.
You are playing with fire. Read the law next time you wanna make fun of others.
@girotube People can be taken to court for a lot of things (most of them for stupid reasons like the one you mentioned). You are litigious and can not be taken seriously.
If some one complains about the reasons I've mentioned, you can rest assure it will be taken seriously. Now go do something constructive with your free time.. And stop replying to old posts with condescending and antagonistic remarks ... Looking for thumbs up??
@girotube Well considering in the description it is plainy noted as "satire" just like snl or mad tv does... then no you're wrong. What should be illegal is people like you who are to lazy to read and focus on making veiled threats that mean nothing:)
You nimrods still believe that evolution is true??? More and more scientists are admitting that it has been refuted by our high technology?? Keep up to date on findings!!! Wow!! People still believing the evolution fairy tale!!!!!!
@yoursola "You nimrods still believe that evolution is true??? More and more scientists are admitting that it has been refuted by our high technology??"
Evidence? I'm not too sure how "our high technology" is refuting evolution. If anything it creationism as per $FUND_RELIGION that seems to get consistently refuted.
A good joke between atheist, however , not productive. Keep in mind your broadcasting to a public in which we are a minority. The same thing can be done with Richard Dawkins and the result on our end would be hostility. Lets not widen the gap and give people reason to demonize us. Just a little friendly advice from someone who’s getting tired of the “angry and arrogant” stereotype.
In today's world, even audio or visual proof is insufficient. It was still a bit choppy, but had this been done even twenty years ago, it would have held up in court.
A threat? You are an infantile, corrupt , religious craven coward subhuman. You are as far from threat (except to the sexuality of children) as anyone could be. Calm down kid and go back to flipping gang signs and playing WoW. LOLOLOLOL
@emmanuel2487 Does god just hate amputees? Is there something wrong with them? Oh I know! Maybe they just are lacking in faith? Is that it? Maybe it is because loosing a limb is 'not that big a deal' and we can deal with it? Mind you this is the same God you pray to help you find your car keys and thank for the food other men grew. Maybe he does not want to be the center of attention? Or maybe, just maybe, he is not real and the bible is a pile of pricey toilet paper. WAKE UP
@emmanuel2487 leukemia and cancer are the same thing - rouge cells on a reproductive rampage. Location, location, location. Now on the the real point: Were either of these people going to see a doctor? I had skin cancer, i'm an atheist, I went to a doctor, now i'm fine. It's not miraculous. It is just modern medicine. But, lets say god is not a figment of your imagination for a second: what is his problem with amputees? How come the spontaneous regrowth of a human limb has NEVER been documented?
The "fulfilled prophesies" you speak of is nothing more than the new testament writers distorting or even making up "facts" that purport to fulfill the prophesies THAT THEY KNEW ABOUT from the old testament. Its like saying nostradamus predicted 911. You make vague prediction seem to fit new events if you try hard enough. But give me just one bible prediction that you think has come true and i'll respond to that directly.
Your argument is like saying i prayed to win the lottery and i won. Therefore god exists. This is why personal experience in science is worthless. it ignores all the misses and only reports the hits. Lots of people have prayed to be cured of cancer and died. I knew a few personally, but i don't claim that that alone proves there is no god.
God said He wouldnt make sence to those that done believe so thanks to giving credit to what God has said. By the way His word also says The fool in his heart says there is no God.
This is so sad to know someone use a man of God!!
amylou5717 1 day ago
gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
WildManChrisVEVO 2 weeks ago
thanks for that poorly edited piece of useless manipulated information
braddasseymusic 2 weeks ago
Kirk, you've lost your head!
Or, rather, your body as the case may be.
electronfun 2 weeks ago
such video can be dome only by a person who lives in denial of knowing nothing and even doesn't have a desire to change it
nathaliemir 2 weeks ago
@nathaliemir i think you wrong I doubt a religious person did this...
TheWillIamLee87 1 day ago
thats pretty low ,just shows your inability to know the truth & handle it properly,but im praying 4 u brother
discipleman07 2 weeks ago
hmm. If the ratings of like vs dislike on this video are a signal to the feelings of all population, then world war is close at hand.
Judadiah 3 weeks ago
Goddam, that's fuckin creepy lookin
JJacksonHartley 3 weeks ago
sick!
yrrj777 1 month ago
Why do people make these dumb videos up knowing everyone knows they have been edited ~ ? Do you really have nothing better to do with your time ~
At least make them good enough for a laugh ~
FromMrGG 1 month ago
Do you think this is funny?! ...Completly making other peoples beliefs that they live by a joke? i could say so many things that disprove evolution and make that look stupid but i choose not to because i know its other peoples relegion which is highly respected
liveforever1231 1 month ago
@liveforever1231 Atheism is not a religion, though.
PosFlow 3 weeks ago
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TheFlipped1 1 month ago
If we exist, why can't God exist?
BlazyJon 1 month ago
@BlazyJon Yes, and fairies, the flying spaghetti monster,unicorns,elves,Zeus,Apollo - the answer would be the same.
stratocaster539 1 month ago
@BlazyJon It's not god/s can't exist. It's that believe that god/s do exist serve no practical purpose.
Richardisdorky 1 month ago
Filthy pieces of shit can never comes clean.
dave474c 1 month ago
kirk Cameron should really put some inflection in his voice when he speaks... he makes it way to easy to cut and splice his words ha ha also nice work on the animation
JusBenLawyered 1 month ago
This frustrates me, and it is not what he would ever say. Please remove it from youtube. Thank you
RyanAnanymous 2 months ago
@RyanAnanymous Nobody's obligated to remove anything just because it offends you personally. Freedom of speech.
Lazy0Waffle 2 months ago
That was amazing!
chicarbiomed 2 months ago
@BelialAndar Let's see. So far you've just touted off your version without giving any actual proof. I have given you actual examples proving my side, and furthermore pinpointed the beginning of the perpetuation of the lies you are propagating. And WHO needs to do research? You haven't given a single verifiable example of your proofs where I have already given you several. your basically a propagating machine.
zionram 2 months ago
Evolution is certainly based upon the scientific method, though much of it is based upon extrapolating from what is observable and able to be tested today including genetics, mutation, living species, fossil remains and the like.
And the reasons you have for believing in god and his "word" are what, again? And if his word is "certain," I guess everything in the Bible is true? Or just some things? Do you think everything scientific is wrong or just the stuff that contradicts the Bible?
TheUkester69 2 months ago
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@TheUkester69 It is a fallacy to say evolution contradicts the Bible. Specifically the fallacy of reification (or pathetic/personification).
Of course, literal creationists make the same fallacy, so I understand. But you really need to understand it is the creationist doctrine that is wrong.
Source Wiki:
"does have a useful and important role in art and literature" however "in the natural sciences, a pathetic fallacy is a serious error in scientific reasoning if taken literally."
redddbaron 2 months ago
@TheUkester69 True science has never contradicted the Bible. Also if you know about extrapolation, it is not always an exact science by a long shot. Any mathematician can tell you about the problems with extrapolation. Yes, everything in God's word is true by definition because God doesn't lie. Also some of the greatest scientist in history were creationists, Newton, Pasteur, Faraday, Boyle just to name a few. There are no true transitional forms either. You can't find them in the fossil record
mRUSSIA 2 months ago
@mRUSSIA I'm not sure what you mean by "true" science, but let's take the virgin birth as an example. Medical science tends to contradict the possibility that a virgin can conceive a child. Unless Mary was artificially inseminated, it's unlikely this biblical claim is accurate. Furthermore, Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel. Somehow, Cain later had a wife, I believe. Where did she come from if god did not create her? Science tends to dispute spontaneous creation.
TheUkester69 2 months ago
@TheUkester69 Adam & Eve would have had other children including daughters the biblical record doesn't mention. Before the Fall of Man there was no build up of genetic mutations that make marriage between close relatives dangerous. Cain and Able would have married sisters. Adam & Even would have had many children besides just the two brothers.
mRUSSIA 2 months ago
@mRUSSIA Before the fall of man there was no build of of genetic mutation? Uhh.. :: flips through bible :: I guess the writers forgot to mention that bit of scientific insight. Oh well, I guess we just have to throw out your entire paragraph as just another lie :-D
chicarbiomed 2 months ago
@mRUSSIA Well, if Adam and Eve were the first human beings, and archaeology (a science) has shows that the writers of the bible were so "meticulously accurate," why aren't all of those many other children mentioned? And if these writers were so accurate, I guess it's factually true that Noah and some of the other people literally lived to be 900 years old or older? Wait, let me guess: people were naturally healthier back then and the great flood screwed everything up and left us with diseases?
TheUkester69 2 months ago
@TheUkester69 We are just going to have to 'agree to disagree'. It looks like you have already been given over to a 'reprobate' mind. There is usually some sin in a person's life that they don't want to depart with. What is it that stops you from believing the truth of God's word? Do you like to take things that don't belong to you? Do you like to lust? Commit fornication? Get revenge on your enemies? Take God's name in vain? What do you love so much that it is keeping you from eternal life?
mRUSSIA 2 months ago
@mRUSSIA Why I am an ex-Christian, the CONTRADICTIONS in the Bible. That is why it is NOT the word of a deity. Christians lied to me to my face and insulted my intelligence trying to explain away what are clearly contradictions. They also can't prove there is ANY life after death save for a pile of contradictory near death experiences.
FriendofDaishonin 2 months ago
@mRUSSIA "What is it that stops you from believing the truth of God's word?" If I knew what God's word was, maybe I'd believe it. Again, you have no evidence that the bible is God's word. Maybe God spoke through Melville when he wrote Moby Dick. Maybe he spoke through the Beatles or Shakespeare. I don't know, and neither do you. (My guess would be the Beatles.)
A "just" god would not judge us for not believing in him when he's provided us with such poor evidence of his existence.
TheUkester69 2 months ago
@TheUkester69 There is overwhelming evidence of God's existence. You just refuse to look at it. You don't know God on a personal level, however Christians do. It is like a father telling his son not to go and touch a hot stove. The child now has the knowledge not to touch the hot stove given by his father who already knows the danger but the child decides to touch it anyway. He touches it, gets burnt and has now moved into the realm of experience and not just knowledge of it.
mRUSSIA 2 months ago
@TheUkester69 Then let us say a skin specialist and one of the engineers who built the stove come in and try to convince the child he didn't get burned. No matter how much they try to convince him, he will not believe them because he now knows from personal experience the stove is hot. You look at the Bible with prejudice against it because you don't know the author of the book. You hate Him and refuse to believe no matter what evidence is there.
mRUSSIA 2 months ago
@mRUSSIA You are confusing knowledge with faith, evidence with hope. You have faith that God exists. You hope the bible is accurate. Your argument is this: The bible is the true word of God because God wrote it and I know God exists because the bible tells me all about him. The bible is just not good evidence of anything.
And you're wrong: I don't hate anyone. I just refuse to believe in a supernatural being based solely upon stories in a book written by people, imperfect people.
TheUkester69 2 months ago
@TheUkester69 The Bible has a scripture for this kind of person. "The fool has said in his heart there is no God." Psalm 14:1
mRUSSIA 2 months ago
@mRUSSIA Please, please don't quote from the bible to tell me how wrong I am about the bible.
TheUkester69 2 months ago
@TheUkester69 I don't hope the Bible is true. I know it is true. I trust Jesus Christ and what He said. He confirmed the historicity of the Old Testament record including Genesis. If I did not believe His words about the Creation account I would indirectly be calling the Son of God a liar. He believed in a literal Adam & Eve, Noah's flood, Cain & Abel, etc. We are going to have to end this back and forth stuff and just agree to disagree. I believe & trust Christ. I will pray for your salvation.
mRUSSIA 2 months ago
@mRUSSIA You believe what Jesus says because otherwise you'd be calling the son of god a liar. Except you're trusting what someone wrote decades after Jesus died as proof of what Jesus said. It's all circular. The bible says Jesus was the son of god. Jesus confirms this in the bible. Therefore, the bible must be accurate, because otherwise Jesus is lying. And the son of god wouldn't lie.
Clearly this doesn't make sense.
Please don't waste your time praying for me. It's pointless.
TheUkester69 2 months ago
@TheUkester69 Here's the mistake you made trying to reason with a creationist. You tried to reason with a creationist. Creationist don't understand reason and science. If one is inclined to believe that a magic fairy that came from a cats but whispered a super code that made the universe you would think them insane and probably not capable grasping reality, yet for some reason we should respect the nonsensical ramblings of creationists. I don't see the point.
Richardisdorky 1 month ago
@Richardisdorky You have a good point. I'm trying to convince a creationist that his entire belief system is bullshit and he's trying to convince me my soul needs saving. Neither of us are going to get anywhere.
TheUkester69 1 month ago
@TheUkester69 Save yourself the pain and just walk away. If they were going to be able to understand the futility of their beliefs they probably would be creationist to being with. Belief is useless only knowledge and understanding of how to apply that knowledge is truly useful. Everything is just a waist of time.
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@mRUSSIA "What do you love so much that it is keeping you from eternal life?" Evidence. And frankly, it wouldn't take much effort on God's part. Just appear before us at the Super Bowl, unannounced, at half-time. Or show up at City Hall in New York City and hold a press conference and heal some people. I'm serious. God appeared to all of those people who wrote the bible for all those centuries and now only Pat Robertson is the only one who ever hears from him? That doesn't make sense.
TheUkester69 2 months ago
@TheUkester69 As far as the reliability of the Bible, there are hundreds of prophesies that have been literally fulfilled made hundreds of years in advance of their fulfillment. Also archeology has proven the biblical writers were meticulously accurate in their historical narrative and also in their copying the the biblical texts.(The Dead Sea Scrolls are a good example of this.) Also the Bible has changed millions of lives over the centuries. That is something science can't account for.
mRUSSIA 2 months ago
@mRUSSIA Uhh... it is easy to apply modern day events to any ancient writing and spin it as prophecy, the writers contradict each other and many super natural events do not show up in any other writings where they should have been obviously noticed. The invention of hand sanitizer has changed millions of lives... and countless other scientific discoveries that would span pages upon pages to list fully. Your anti-science arrogance is dangerously blinding.
chicarbiomed 2 months ago
@mRUSSIA Yes, the Bible has changed millions of lives over the centuries. It's because people have believed in it. That doesn't make it's contents true.
Besides, science has changed many more lives. Penicillin, electricity, the x-ray, computers, the discovery of bacteria and viruses, pharmacology that goes beyond leaches, refrigeration, the jet engine, cancer treatment, vaccinations. The products of science have changed many more lives than the Bible and in more ways than the merely spiritual.
TheUkester69 2 months ago
@TheUkester69 Let's disregard the scientific arguments for a minute. Would you consider yourself to be a good person? Did you know the Bible considers lust the same as adultery and hatred the same as murder? Have you ever lied? Stolen anything regardless of it's value? There is a judgement day coming. God's word says that "All liars, fornicators, adulterers, murderers" etc. will spend eternity in the "Lake of Fire." God is perfect and holy and you have broken His law.
mRUSSIA 2 months ago
@mRUSSIA The Bible also considers it a sin to work on the sabbath, accepts slavery as the norm, and dictates that we should kill (1) women who are discovered not to be virgins when they marry (2) children who disrespect their parents and (3) anyone who prays to a different god, among many others. In the New Testament, Jesus says to bring before him those who would not accept him as king, and to slay them in front of him. What the bible considers to be a sin or to be righteous is f-ed up.
TheUkester69 2 months ago
@TheUkester69 God gave you a conscience to know right from wrong and the witness of His creation. You can't be saved by good works or being a good person. God says "There is no one good." I have some good news for you though. God sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for your sins on the cross. Then He rose from the dead. So if you will repent(turn from sin & self) and put your trust in Jesus Christ you will be saved. It is God's gift to you but you need to put your trust exclusively in Christ.
mRUSSIA 2 months ago
@TheUkester69 Jesus paid your fine and now the Lord can let you go. If you say "I don't believe in Jesus or the Bible," that doesn't matter. You will have to face Him on judgement day wether you believe in HIm or not. You can say I don't believe in gravity and jump off a tall building but you are going to suffer the consequences anyway. I don't know you but I don't wan't you to go to hell especially over 'scientific' information that is always changing. Put your trust in Christ today.
mRUSSIA 2 months ago
@mRUSSIA Of course scientific information is changing. It's called "learning." As we learn more and technology and creative thought allow us to do so, science evolves. What we know evolves. The final chapters of the bible were written, I think, around 1800 years ago. The people who wrote them may have been wise in a lot of ways, but to rely on everything they wrote in one book--and to disregard anything that contradicts that book, everything humans have discovered since then--is folly.
TheUkester69 2 months ago
@mRUSSIA My other point is, if there is a god, as we think we know him, then yes, the word of god must be true by definition. But what is the word of god? If you answer the bible, I would respond, what reason do you have to believe that the bible is the one and only true and complete word of god?
God by definition doesn't lie. But we humans could have been deceived all these years by those other humans who wrote those books centuries ago. The bible lacks any credibility whatsoever.
TheUkester69 2 months ago
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Have u lied? Have u stolen? Jesus said if you look at a women with lust u have committed adultery with her in your heart.
If God judge’s u by the Ten Commandments will u be innocent or guilty? Heaven or Hell? The Bible teaches despise the value of your eye compared to the value of your soul. would u sell your eye for a million dollars? And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. needgod.com
standingontruth1 2 months ago
You guys have no real scientific evidence for evolution so you have to resort to video manipulation and lies. You just show you are desperate to make Christians look foolish when you are only making yourselves look foolish. Read Romans 1. It describes you perfectly. You need to wake up, repent and put your trust in Jesus Christ. Judgement day is coming. God will have perfect justice in His way and time.
mRUSSIA 2 months ago
@mRUSSIA What do you consider "scientific"? It's one thing to say, "Hey, I don't believe in science," which is ridiculous but honest. But to say there's no scientific evidence for evolution is intellectually bankrupt. Almost every serious scientist believes in the theory of evolution because it has been scrutinized using the SCIENTIFIC METHOD.
And oh, damn, if it's written in Romans 1 it MUST be true. Forget it, might as well just go bang my head against a wall. Just as useful.
TheUkester69 2 months ago
@TheUkester69 Evolution doesn't use the scientific method. Real science involves experimentation that can be repeated and can be confirmed as either true or false in a controlled environment. Evolution does not fall into this category. No one was there to actually see it happen and we can't test it in a laboratory today. RIchard Phillips an accomplished American Physicist stated. "If you thought that science was certain-well, that is just an error on your part." God and His word are certain.
mRUSSIA 2 months ago
@mRUSSIA Real science? OK, what does real science say the earth of the age to be?
chicarbiomed 2 months ago
Shame on you!!
macklr21 2 months ago
Wow, you have a bad sense of humor. You know Kirk doesn't believe you pieced together him saying at different times. If you did the same thing to the Bible you would also get something that isn't true. At least the Bible doesn't have to make up theories, guesstimate or saw down bones to make it fit the way someone says, "its supposed to be". The Bible contains no opinions.
PhilipJShermanInter 2 months ago
@EVERYONE If the Bible has ever been actually disproven, please name the chapter and verse that has been totally been proven wrong. Please include your source, and make sure that it's not a "theory" or opinion, but something that has been disproved.
If you think it has, state your proof, and make sure the Bible is actually stating what you think it is, and you aren't just misinterpreting it.
zionram 2 months ago
@tecusen. I never said that something not being disproven makes it true, what I said is that truth cannot be disproven, there's a huge difference. You simply misinterpreted the meaning and then attacked your misinterpretation. That's called a straw man arguement. Furthermore, the Bible isn't a sentence or two long, its 66 books with every kind of detail imaginable, accounts of civilizations and historical events and tons of other things. It's never been disproven, only theorized to be wrong.
zionram 2 months ago
It has never been disproven that I am the great Coodledoo, leader of all cogniscent bananas bent on bringing peace and harmony to the outer regions of Nepal. If it has never been disproven, it must be true. Don't listen to those who simply state that I am not he, for truly I say unto you I am. Discount also those scientists who say that rocks cannot think. They too are working for world peace, but in the Greater Boston area. Disbelievers are heretics. BTW, God agrees; it's in a book.
tecusen 2 months ago
scientists admit they don't know everything? no extraterrestrial life could visit earth because the distances are so great. ever heard that one? it's impossible for man to fly. how bout that one? the earth is the center of the universe. that one? we, as man, always think .. oh, now we know everything. oh wait, now we know everything. the extraterrestrial one points out our arrogance that no other life form could possibly be smarter then us. what you've done is illegal.
hwyllie1 2 months ago
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csmcmillion 3 months ago
Sounds like Darwin didn't even believe his own theory.
“To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberrations, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.” - Charles Darwin Charles Darwin, Origin of Species, (London: J.M. Dent and Sons, 1971), p. 167.
denise080903 3 months ago
@denise080903 Now, open your copy of "Origin of Species" and read the next couple paragraphs. Your quote mining is, at the very least, dishonest and misleading. At the very, very least it's intellectually dishonest. PLEASE, post the rest of that passage from OoS, OK? Let the world know you're more than just another lying theist.
gvman3670 3 months ago
@denise080903 Here's the very next sentence, which you seemed to leave out for some reason....
"Yet reason tells me that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case;
gvman3670 3 months ago
@denise080903 And the rest of the next sentence.....
; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real."
So Darwin did NOT believe it couldn't happen naturally, but the total opposite.
Like I said, don't be another theistic liar, OK?
gvman3670 3 months ago
@gvman3670 Thank you for your response. It wasn't meant to be lying, dishonest etc... This along, w/other things, would be interesting to discuss, if you would resist name calling. Since apparently you can't do that, I will refrain from engaging in conversation here. I will leave you with this. I suppose you are an atheist. If your beliefs are correct, no skin off my nose. However if you are wrong; what then? Perhaps God is something you should check out before you write off.
denise080903 3 months ago
@denise080903 Sorry if you think I was being mean. But that was creationist sourced quote mining if I've ever seen it. Actually reading the book would have avoided all that. LOL
FWIW, I grew up in a fundie household. I've read the Bible cover to cover many times, even the Tanakh (Hebrew's tough) and many older texts as well, like Babylonian, Akkadian and Vedic writings. So my atheism is a product of learning. I cannot swallow the blatant untruths in those primitive texts.
gvman3670 3 months ago
@denise080903 The point, I guess, is that I know the BS in the Bible, from bad translations to inconsistencies and even to disagreement in info between books. Or the fact that 51 books were omitted at the Nicean Council, some of which were good reading (Apocryphal books, like Enoch).
Besides, who in their right mind could base their lives around the wacked out ramblings of uneducated Bronze Age sheep herders who had questionable morals themselves? I know I can't.
gvman3670 3 months ago
@gvman3670 I thought when I saw your first line of “Sorry if…” that we might have a fresh start to a civil discussion. I found your background & comments interesting; however you still felt it necessary to revert back to attacking people and their beliefs VS. solely discussing the topic. For this reason, I won't engage further. As for me, I try to base my life on the love one carpenter had for mankind. You appear to be a learned man. I encourage you to continue your search.
denise080903 3 months ago
@denise080903 Honestly, who did I attack? I attacked noone besides immoral Bronze Age sheep herders. You surely aren't one of those, are you? LOL!! I didn't "attack" anyone at all.
Here's a bit of insight, though. Your response tells me you're a highly emotional individual. Your clinging to those beliefs therefore is probably emotionally based. But what if I told you your Bible condones slavery and rape of young women? How would that effect you emotionally? It bothers me.
gvman3670 3 months ago
what a useless piece of shit for a human being. so much better could have formed instead of this embarrassment for a human being. i spit on you, kirk cameron, i hope you get aids.
eternalcrumpet 3 months ago
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How many Lies do you think you have told in your life? Ever stolen anything, even something small? Have you ever looked at a person with lust? Have you ever used GOD's name as a curse word? If you have, GOD sees you as a Lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart. The Guilty will end up in Hell. That's not GOD's will. You broke GOD's laws, but Jesus paid your fine! (IF) you Repent, and trust in Christ alone, GOD will forgive every sin you have ever committed, and grant you Eternal life!
EXALTEDDIRT 3 months ago
@tnafguy Troll harder ... you fail at trolling. The fact you don't understand the evidence for evolution means you are either uneducated on the subject or trolling ... I am going trolling because it would mean you are at least educated on the subject.
darththeo 3 months ago
@tnafguy Science is proving the origin of concept of evolution and refining it through new knowledge. Nothing has shown evolution not to be true. The old stuff was wrong, we got new stuff. Hence when people go "Darwin said ...." I start to laugh. Its been over 150 years, get up to date with it.
darththeo 3 months ago
@StarControl69 - Or that his father is gay.
Rocketryman 3 months ago
coulden't of said it better myself Kirk XD
IDMWEIGHTSIDM 3 months ago
You're right when you say the bible is unscientific and requires blind faith. The thing you missed here Kirk is that it's all true. I ask you: What does it matter that it's unscientific and requires you to trust it without seeing "evidence" or "proof" and then proves itself true after the fact?
"Blessed are those who believe without seeing."
sthnwatch 3 months ago
@sthnwatch
You misquoted that. It should read: "Gullible are those who believe without seeing."
Unless, of course, they're blind. Blind people don't really have a choice but to trust what others are telling them they see....
mtszabo 3 months ago
@sthnwatch you have a point but that doesnt mean you have to be stupid, the bible has been maipulated by unscrupulous leaders to control and preach hatered and ignorance. you have to use the mind that god gave you in order to understand what your being told in the book.
scorand 3 months ago
@scorand Yes, thank-you, I have a point. (note the full-stop there)
sthnwatch 3 months ago
@sthnwatch but not a full point to your assertion.. follow through.. and it would make more sense
scorand 3 months ago
@algonquin81 b4 the *foundation* of time! BTW, I do wish ya a good life!!
womanwonder10 3 months ago
@algonquin81 Oh, really. Maybe if you would admit to the probability/possibility of the existence of God and open that boxed-in mind, you might be surprised! BTW, how is your life, honestly, without the God who knew you b4 the foudation of time? I can tell you this--mine is much better with Him,than it would ever be w/out. I have a good friend who was a die-hard atheist. She was a seeker, and now has a life with God involved in it. She is a different (better) person in many ways.
womanwonder10 3 months ago
This is so ridiculous that it makes me laugh.
lifewithlana 4 months ago
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only if it was true
BazingaNaruto 4 months ago
this was the lamest attempt ever to make theism look illegitimate, but the best attempt to show how desperate you are to attack it! LMFAO at U!!!!
womanwonder10 4 months ago
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Algonquin81 3 months ago
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@womanwonder10 The best attempt to make a theist look illegitimate is to let the theist speak for themselves:)
Algonquin81 3 months ago
It must have something to do with that new medication discovered by scientists and medical doctors at the Dawkins institute. The new cure for christan delusion. The new medication to cure Islam will also be on the market soon. It is said that they will be able to take a wild-eyed muslim lunatic and turn him into a peace-loving Atheist.
somethingdiffereable 4 months ago
BTW-Can you name One Thing that You Know is Scientifically True about evolution? I'm refering to the common belief of one species evolving into another species. (I need to clarify myself with your type of self-deceived persons). Since you can't, you have no excuse for lying to yourself & others. Repent b4 it's 2 late 4 U.
JohnO318 4 months ago
@Ghanjamon
Hmmmm... Humility, obv u dnt have any... Thats y they blocked u?
lThellRockl 4 months ago
You aren't a threat, you're just pointless. Science is only based on mans understanding and interpretation. Man's interpretation is always flawed. If you take a science book from 20 years ago and try to pass a test today, you will fail because it's changed so much.
zionram 4 months ago 2
@zionram
Well actually, scientists today still use scientific concepts from as far back as the 1600's with Newtonian physics and Kepler's works. Also there are accounts of scientific theories that date way back from the time of Pythagoras that are still correct. I don't think you understand what science really is because flaws are very much welcome in scientific studies and open to improvements. Oh and btw, I use textbooks on classical mechanics and thermodynamics from the 70's and pass.
aistobasbistoc9 3 months ago
@aistobasbistoc9 Of course there are flaws and while flaws may be "welcome" as you say, you have to realize that once a flaw is exposed, nobody "accepts" it. They disprove it! Then they disregard it. Science is not meant to endorse flawed theories, the purpose of science is simply to find truth. Truth cannot be disproven. It cannot contradict itself.
zionram 2 months ago
@zionram "Science" as you call it does continually endorse flawed theories. One of the biggest flawed "sciences" would be the age of the Earth. They have tried to date the age from erosion which is impossible because it doesn't account for natural disasters and the dating of rocks which does not work either. Yet they still hold both theories in high regard and state the age of things as fact.
Amills11 2 months ago
@Amills11 I have never heard of any scientist recently try to date the earth by erosion and would like to know how you came to this conclusion and what scientist supposedly said this. oh and by the way the earth has been dated to 4.54 billion yrs... not by erosion but by radiometric dating which measures the decay of radioactive isotopes and please don't just take my word for it do some research, ask a geologist or better yet educate your self.
xxxrobert123xxx 2 months ago
@zionram That's funny that you mention old, outdated books.
hightopsmcglops 3 months ago
@zionram
What if we took just any old book from lets saay.. 2000 years ago?
TioPhillippe 3 months ago
@TioPhillippe Your not getting it. The Bible has never been disproven. It was written from an all knowing God.If that is true, then he wouldn't have to update anything. What he says is true and has always been true, and anything any man will ever learn God has already known when he wrote the Bible.Therefore there is no need to update anything as the truths apply to all ages and all circumstances. Furthermore, nothing in the Bible has been actually disproved, its only been theorized to be wrong.
zionram 2 months ago
@TioPhillippe If it's written by God who knows everything that ever will be and has been and is, then it will remain as relevent as any other time.
zionram 2 months ago
@zionram so stoning was not rules for different people from a different time?
TioPhillippe 2 months ago
@zionram As technology changes, we find better ways of observing what we estimate. See the thing is, we know we are not perfect nor do we claim it. We can admit we are wrong and admit we do not know. Religion on the other hand refuses to admit they do not know and demands perfection (even though it is not achievable). I will take the beauty of chaos over ugly perfection any day.
BelialAndar 3 months ago
@BelialAndar I understand what science is. Its man's attempt to understand the world around him with what resources and knowledge he has. But science is a process of trial and error. It includes error. That means what we believe today may not actually be true. But on the other hand, no matter how long the bible has been around, it's always been believed to be true, and has never been disproven.
zionram 2 months ago
@zionram You obviously do not get out much. Only reading the bible will not help you understand anything. The bible was not written by god, It was written by man. By men who were not even alive when all the stories unfolded. Not one single account in the bible was from someone who witnessed any of the stories. There are no history based stories about Jesus outside of the bible. I would thing it would be common history if it was documented, Not part of some fairy tail.
BelialAndar 2 months ago
@BelialAndar Show one proof that the bible is true. Without using that circular god is infallible and he wrote the bible. Everyone knows that's just something you say when you can not prove the bible right. I won't hold my breath for a response with your proof, With my experience debating Christians you will more than likely change the subject or not reply back at all.
BelialAndar 2 months ago
@BelialAndar You said "There is no history based stories about Jesus outside of the Bible". Actually you are wrong! Thallus (52 AD) Spoke of an eclipse of the sun during the crucifixion of Christ, and Pliny the younger 61-113 AD also wrote about him. Look it up. Furthermore, there is actually more historical writing and first hand accounts saying that Jesus existed, by a long shot, then there is that Julias Ceaser existed. Do some research, and you will find it to be so.
zionram 2 months ago
@zionram You need to do some real research instead of believe only what other christian sites tell you. There is no historical evidence outside the bible, There is no census of Jesus existing either. The census would have a record. Which it does not. The only evidence you will find of Jesus is in the bible, Which even historians of the christian faith can not use as factual, Due to there being no real accounts recorded outside the bible of biblical stories.
BelialAndar 2 months ago
@BelialAndar Actually there is quite a few secular authors who wrote about Jesus and the early Church. Just the existence of Christianity alone is enough proof.
Amills11 2 months ago
@Amills11 You say there are quite a few secular authors who wrote about Jesus and the early church, But did not say they stated he existed, That is where you fail to provide the proper evidence for your claim along with an author name. And no the existence of a religion alone is not proof that it is true, There are still practiced religions today that are older than Christianity. And Christianity has taken holidays and rituals from these said holidays.
BelialAndar 2 months ago
@BelialAndar Easter, In celebration of Ester the goddess of fertility, Hence that is were we get the Easter Bunny and eggs from. Christmas trees, Burning yule logs, Come from the Greeks, Christmas is the celebration of equinox change. The bible never gave a specific date on which Jesus was born. And it never said 3 wise men either, It says a few wise men. Christianity can't even get it's own facts straight.
BelialAndar 2 months ago
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xxxrobert123xxx 2 months ago
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@Amills11 If the mere existence of a religion is enough evidence of it being true then wouldn't that cause some serious problems for Christianity? The Bible states that your god is the only god yet there are many other religions that claim the same thing, so by your logic all other religions would be true... and false?
xxxrobert123xxx 2 months ago
@BelialAndar I have done research, and I found out that Acharya S and "zeitgeist films" is the propagater of the majority of these lies about there being no historical Jesus. She has been entirely discredited. You aren't going to find any real historian who has done his homework denying the existence of Jesus unless they have some sort of agenda. I don't believe it because of "christian websites". You believe what you do because of lying websites.
zionram 2 months ago
@zionram Ok mister conspiracy theorist. I could care less about Zeitgeist film. Nor do you know your historians very well. BTW you obviously do not know your bible that well either. You can believe what you want. But I encourage you to really learn how to do research, If all you could come up with is Zeitgeist, Just saying. You are turning out to be a big waste of time just like all the others. All you can say is god did it, Without looking at any facts. Good day sir.
BelialAndar 2 months ago
@BelialAndar BTW I don't exist either, because I didn't fill out the census either. LOL
zionram 2 months ago
@zionram Good point- that must be why the Bible is so incredibly wrong. If you take a science book from 20 years ago and take and try to pass a test today, you will pass- but only with a C- because understandings have changed over the last 20 years. If you take the Bible from 2000 years ago and try to pass a test today, you will fail with an F because human understanding was so poor back then. Like you say the beauty of science is that it actually improves unlike the Bible!
ideologger 2 months ago
I saw a great sign at a church!!!!!
"God does not believe in atheists.... therefore atheists don't exist!!!!! "
rlharrsion 4 months ago
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@rlharrsion
yes, that is exactly the kind of logic I'd expect from a church!, haha!..
wait.. are you attempting to expose the stupidity of a church, or make a witty comment on behalf of theists, that failed miserably?
TheRealityofNature 4 months ago
@Ghanjamon ."" I have been blocked by "Thewayofthemaster", I love love love the fact they think I'm a threat.""
I got blocked as well. They will block anyone who questions them. They are gutless pricks
podoau 5 months ago
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Learn to win Souls the way Jesus, Paul and Peter did 100% effective. /watch?v=L_XQQyuCHlE
MMr7777 5 months ago
Get a life... made me wate my time
11belovely 5 months ago
Just...stupid.
theMKlifeTV 5 months ago
IF we go to Laws and technicalities, the one who made this video can be taken to court for manipulating testimonies giving by another person... Google can be taken responsible for participating; by letting this video to be posted.
I think you need to get a lawyer soon! ;)
YEAH Laugh out loud but I heard the hairs from the back of your neck popping up as you read that.
You are playing with fire. Read the law next time you wanna make fun of others.
Notice that I did not use "religion"
girotube 5 months ago 2
@girotube People can be taken to court for a lot of things (most of them for stupid reasons like the one you mentioned). You are litigious and can not be taken seriously.
bloodandbones9 4 months ago
@bloodandbones9 Y still have me the
If some one complains about the reasons I've mentioned, you can rest assure it will be taken seriously. Now go do something constructive with your free time.. And stop replying to old posts with condescending and antagonistic remarks ... Looking for thumbs up??
girotube 4 months ago
@girotube Bull.
bloodandbones9 4 months ago
@girotube Well considering in the description it is plainy noted as "satire" just like snl or mad tv does... then no you're wrong. What should be illegal is people like you who are to lazy to read and focus on making veiled threats that mean nothing:)
Algonquin81 3 months ago
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@girotube I think you don't know what you're talking about ;)
iSoldMySoul2ThaDevil 3 months ago
You nimrods still believe that evolution is true??? More and more scientists are admitting that it has been refuted by our high technology?? Keep up to date on findings!!! Wow!! People still believing the evolution fairy tale!!!!!!
yoursola 5 months ago
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@yoursola "You nimrods still believe that evolution is true??? More and more scientists are admitting that it has been refuted by our high technology??"
Evidence? I'm not too sure how "our high technology" is refuting evolution. If anything it creationism as per $FUND_RELIGION that seems to get consistently refuted.
wstevenschneider 5 months ago
@yoursola LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL WOWWWWWWWWW!!!!! You are a complete retard! Holy fucking crap! Go read a textbook you nimrod!
airman122469 5 months ago
That's creepy, but I really wish he'd say that.
DoctorNociceptor 5 months ago
A good joke between atheist, however , not productive. Keep in mind your broadcasting to a public in which we are a minority. The same thing can be done with Richard Dawkins and the result on our end would be hostility. Lets not widen the gap and give people reason to demonize us. Just a little friendly advice from someone who’s getting tired of the “angry and arrogant” stereotype.
smallpercentile 5 months ago
In today's world, even audio or visual proof is insufficient. It was still a bit choppy, but had this been done even twenty years ago, it would have held up in court.
thelordmemnoch 6 months ago
@StarControl69 lol same here dude!
emkplayboy6 6 months ago
@StarControl69 how he's gay when he's married
timhoward5 6 months ago
@timhoward5 to a female
timhoward5 6 months ago
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@timhoward5 "how he's gay when he's married" What has married got to do with it!! - he could be a closet!!
chookization 6 months ago
twothlesswonder can't animate at all
jonnyralphcook 6 months ago
Yeah, we all wish...
ChipArgyle 6 months ago
This is so lame.
ctwtxusa 6 months ago
@StarControl69 That would be a sin. He'd be too afraid to play for the other team.
WiseGuy02 6 months ago
That was so WEIRD and very well done. That face is going to haunt my dreams tonight. Great job.
NateTheSaint10 7 months ago
Look at his eyes... how is it that this dude starts "making actual sense" when he's on shrooms. Yet when he's sober...... "utter bullshit"
dave474c 7 months ago
The first time Kirk actually says something right
romayne2 7 months ago
A threat? You are an infantile, corrupt , religious craven coward subhuman. You are as far from threat (except to the sexuality of children) as anyone could be. Calm down kid and go back to flipping gang signs and playing WoW. LOLOLOLOL
699backstab 7 months ago
@emmanuel2487 Does god just hate amputees? Is there something wrong with them? Oh I know! Maybe they just are lacking in faith? Is that it? Maybe it is because loosing a limb is 'not that big a deal' and we can deal with it? Mind you this is the same God you pray to help you find your car keys and thank for the food other men grew. Maybe he does not want to be the center of attention? Or maybe, just maybe, he is not real and the bible is a pile of pricey toilet paper. WAKE UP
SpecialEdAllstar 7 months ago
@emmanuel2487 leukemia and cancer are the same thing - rouge cells on a reproductive rampage. Location, location, location. Now on the the real point: Were either of these people going to see a doctor? I had skin cancer, i'm an atheist, I went to a doctor, now i'm fine. It's not miraculous. It is just modern medicine. But, lets say god is not a figment of your imagination for a second: what is his problem with amputees? How come the spontaneous regrowth of a human limb has NEVER been documented?
SpecialEdAllstar 7 months ago
@travv444
The "fulfilled prophesies" you speak of is nothing more than the new testament writers distorting or even making up "facts" that purport to fulfill the prophesies THAT THEY KNEW ABOUT from the old testament. Its like saying nostradamus predicted 911. You make vague prediction seem to fit new events if you try hard enough. But give me just one bible prediction that you think has come true and i'll respond to that directly.
JonasGrumby71 7 months ago
@emmanuell2487
Your argument is like saying i prayed to win the lottery and i won. Therefore god exists. This is why personal experience in science is worthless. it ignores all the misses and only reports the hits. Lots of people have prayed to be cured of cancer and died. I knew a few personally, but i don't claim that that alone proves there is no god.
JonasGrumby71 7 months ago
Evolution is man made.
smurfboywv 7 months ago
Tell that to all the people I know God have cured them, one from cancer and another from leukemia
emmanuel2487 7 months ago
@Ghanjamon just post to nephy's channel and he'll block you..
floisheremuch 8 months ago
@StarControl69 Why should Kirk have to admit the obvious?
AxeNewkill 8 months ago
@AxeNewkill If Kirk Cameron ever "came out" as an ACTOR, that would really surprise people.
GoblinXXX 8 months ago
@karlesing I never understand how theist work out that they know more about our world that scientists and highly educated people.
arainade 9 months ago
@arainade Because they have cliff-notes from GAWD, o'course.
GoblinXXX 8 months ago
God said He wouldnt make sence to those that done believe so thanks to giving credit to what God has said. By the way His word also says The fool in his heart says there is no God.
greeneyesangel69 9 months ago
@greeneyesangel69 im sure kim jong il says the same thing about people that dont think his father is god, that doesnt mean you should believe him
gta747 9 months ago