Dutch: VOC must be back, Sri Lanka: No. UNHRC cannt be another VOC

[NoEalamInSL]

June 9 (Island) Lanka appreciates Dutch probe, highlights limitations in global action. Until the collapse of the LTTE in May 2009, the Netherlands hadn't given the go ahead for a comprehensive investigation targeting the LTTE, though the Dutch Intelligence and Security Agency (AIVD) recommended action in October 2008. Sjors van Beek, in an explosive article captioned 'Cover for Tamil terror' carried in Norwegian paper Binnenlands Bestuur, dealt with what he called a Mafia-like extortion racket

[NoEalamInSL]

May 24 (Island) Dutch Judiciary accuses LTTE leaders of extortion. The Dutch judiciary says that Tamil Tiger leaders in the Netherlands have played a prominent role in financing the civil war in Sri Lanka. The 10,000 Tamils in the Netherlands, police say, were under the iron grip of the guerilla group. The investigation into possible criminal activities by the Tigers in the Netherlands has been ongoing for the past two years under the code name ‘Operation Koninck.’ ..

[NoEalamInSL]

Dutch VOC mentality. Preach humanity, support terrorists! Dutch Govt officially Supported LTTE terrorits.

Jan 24 (Island.lk) "Netherlands: Italy, France felt US behind move, opposed LTTE proscription by EU" A classified US diplomatic cable, captioned ‘Tokyo co-chairs pre-meetings’ has revealed an attempt by the Netherlands to thwart an EU statement targeting LTTE over continuing terrorist attacks in spite of the CFA.

[ImmortalUniverse]

lol ,die voc mentaliteit .

mm ik denk dat het een beetje uit de tijd is om zwarte aan de rijke Amerikanen te verkopen.

lol ,of bedoelde die wat anders.

balky ,balky denk na

[NoEalamInSL]

When I hear abuses from Europeans, I doubt if they are genuine on Human Rights? If they are genuine, why dont they discuss own human rights abuses? Why did/do not talk of invasion in Iraq and Israel? They defend their own abuses and stick their fingers in other issues. Sri Lanka won a great war. A war against most inhuman terrorist group who used 300,000 Tamil people as a shield. Govt didnt give up like other times. Casualties are inevitable in wars.

[NoEalamInSL]

Those white flag surrender of terrorists at last stage of war was a suicide when they were boxed to 1sqkm surounded by heavy military. Europeans wanted to continue this war and save those bunch of terrorists. EU, USA had evacuation plans save 300 LTTE cadres and the leadership to continue Elam war. So EU, USA can sell their militaryware. We should not let this war crime panel against Sri Lanka. We must protest in masses nationally and internationally. Like those Tamil Diaspora did to save LTTE.

[NoEalamInSL]

Finally Dutch realizes Sri Lanka.

July 3 (MoD) The Netherlands' Ambassador to Sri Lanka Leoni Cuelenaere who called on Prime Minister D.M. Jayaratne yesterday said her government appreciates the stand taken by Sri Lanka on international pressures. The Government of the Netherlands appreciates the diplomatic and strategic position upheld by the Government of Sri Lanka with respect to the pressure exerted by certain countries in connection with the internal political issues of the country

[NoEalamInSL]

Netherlands backs IOM programmes in Sri Lanka

July 3 (IOM) The Netherlands has pledged EUR 2 million (LKR 277,820,000) to support two IOM programmes that are helping IDPs to return home and reintegrating former LTTE Tamil Tiger combatants into civil society. The contribution of EUR 1 million to each programme will allow IOM to continue to help families to return to their home areas in the north and east of the country from Menik Farms and other displacement camps in Vavuniya

[NoEalamInSL]

Dutch people have power in the netherlands not Maroccan or Turken. Dont be hypocrite you are suggesting Sri Lanka should be divided in to 2 or 3 states to give minorities more power., Why dont you do a pilot programme in the Netherlans and let us know. SL never discriminated Tamils like Dutch did in South Africa or treated as slaves like your Balkanenda boasted VOC time. Diversity within united country is the solution. SLTamils brought by Dutch in 1600 as labour, their homeland is Tamil Nadu.

[prasanga7]

they did was dividing ethnicities and spreading flithy deceases. White men always thought that they discovered new worlds that is how ignorant they were and still are. People from Africa came to Andaman Islands and started a civilazation in Asia. And king Vijay came to Sri Lanka 2500 years ago. The white race only exists for 6000 years. Dutch prime minister is a fucking faggot.

[NoEalamInSL]

May 7, 2010 (AFP)Sri Lanka calls on West to crack down on Tiger fundin. Sri Lanka's prime minister on Friday urged Western nations to crack down on Tamils using their soil to revive the Tamil Tiger separatist movement that was crushed last year. Premier D. M. Jayaratne said some of the 1.5 million ethnic Tamils living abroad were planning to form a movement to carry on the separatist cause to carve out an independent homeland for their community in Sri Lanka

[NoEalamInSL]

(Island 5May2010)Oxford University Breeds Terrorism. UN should have intervened under R2P in Lanka war says Oxford Chancellor. Lord Patten, currently Chancellor of Oxford University, makes a startling reference to Sri Lanka, asserting that the UN should have intervened politically and diplomatically under the doctrine of Responsibility to Protect (R2P) "to protect Tamil civilians in the Sri Lankan government campaign to wipe out the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam". by Dayan Jayatilleka

[NoEalamInSL]

May 2 (Island) Netherlands committed to rebuilding war-shattered lives. Dutch Ambassador Leoni Cuelenaere Friday said that the Netherlands, as a country supported the rebuilding of lives shattered by war. It was also committed to work with the government to preserve historical elements of Sri Lanka. "The opportunity to share culture, trade and business is greater today than it has been in years," she said.

[NoEalamInSL]

DUTCH GOT THEM FINALY. The first arrest since EU ban of LTTE in 2006. Can imagine how effective is global war on terror in EU? Seven Tamil Tiger suspects were arrested by the authorities in the Netherlands, the Sri Lankan Ambassador in Netherlands, Grace Asirvathan, confirmed to BBC. The arrest was made after an intensive study of the LTTE banned activities in the Netherlands, the National Criminal office said.

[NoEalamInSL]

There is tentative evidence of herding in northern Rajasthan by 7,000 BC, of rice and pottery at Koldihwa, U.P. in India by 5,000 BC, and perhaps cereal management/farming in the Nilgiri Hills of South India by 8,000 BC. Therefore Lankans had proof of Agro subsistence strategy 7000 years before the world did.

[NoEalamInSL]

13000 BC - Most Famous European human evidence Earliest evidence of Europeans has been discovered in more than 200 caves, mostly in Spain and France, belonging to 20,000 to 10,000 BC. The most famous of them is the cave painting at Lascaux in France, which is dated to 13,000 BC. It has been painted by blowing red and yellow ochre onto the cave wall through hollow bones.

[NoEalamInSL]

20000 BC - Earliest evidence of Europeans Earliest evidence of Europeans has been discovered in more than 200 caves, mostly in Spain and France, belonging to 20,000 to 10,000 BC. The most famous of them is the cave painting at Lascaux in France, which is dated to 13,000 BC. It has been painted by blowing red and yellow ochre onto the cave wall through hollow bones.

[Jaapman]

If your people had had an overseas Empire, you would have been proud too. Sri Lanka (Ceylon) was not a country. Your people were being ruled by a bunch of local warlords- and the common folk were wallowing in the mud and tropical diseases. If it wasn't for Western Civilization, you wouldn't even know there was gas to be used as a natural resource. So have some respect for culture!

[NoEalamInSL]

@Jaapman, huh. thats the knowlege of history you have. dig in to Sri Lankan civilization and western civiliztion. find out yourself. Just for your information because of colonization (as for other nation) west became rich steeling our natural resources and slavery man power to build so called "western civilization. 700,000 BC - Humans in Lanka Archeologists claim that Sri Lanka was definitely inhabited by the humans by 700,000 BC. 500,000 BC - The humans had started to use fire.

[NoEalamInSL]

5 Million Yrs BC - Beginning of the Humans. 5 million yrs ago, Human-like Apes lived in Africa. They developed into humans over a period of 2-3 million yrs. During the ice age which began around 2.5 million years BC, these humans started to walk over the frozen landscape. 1 Million Yrs BC - Humans migrate from Africa to the rest of the world About 1 million yrs ago. Humans inhabited Sri Lanka during this migration, the humans learnt to make and use primitive hand tools like axes.

[NoEalamInSL]

123,000 BC - Oldest human found in Lanka - Pathirajawela in the deep South. A student from Bundala Central school recovered the oldest Lankan humans remains and his stone tools in Pathirajawela in Deep south, near Ambalantota. This Lankan had lived 20,000 years before the Niandathal inhabited the earth. It has been estimated, at an international average, that the population density for Lanka, at the time was 0.8-1.5 per SqKm in dry zone and 0.1 in wet zone.

[NoEalamInSL]

@jaap, They had lived in groups of 1-2 families, not in large groups due to scarcity of food. With this proof of pre-historic settlement in Lanka, Patirajawela also exposed a flake and stone tool industry belonging to 125,000 to 75,000 BC. This meant that the Lankans had already started their long journey towards civilisation.

[NoEalamInSL]

80000 BC - Ratnapura - Lions, Rinocerous and Hippos From an excavation in Ratnapura District, archaeologists have found the remains of animals. That included a hippopotamus with six incisor teeth, a rhinoceros, and a lion. Along with these animal remains, stone artefacts comprising, typically, large choppers and flakes of quartz and chert, have been found. However, apart from a human calotte from a gem pit near Ellawala, no human remains have been discovered yet from the Ratnapura.

[NoEalamInSL]

28500 BC - Batadomba Lena near Kuruvita - the Balangoda man, stronger & taller These remains, and the following Belilena and BellanBendi Palassa, have been subjected to detailed analysis. These anatomically modern prehistoric humans in Sri Lanka are referred to as Balangoda Man. Some males were 174 cm tall, and some females were 166 cm tall. This is considerably taller than the present-day Sri Lankans. Balangoda Man's features are regarded as the typical original Lankan features.

[NoEalamInSL]

28500 BC - Lankans live in Mannar, Horton plains to Bundala, in two family units. By this time Lankans were settled in every corner of Sri Lanka, from the damp and cold High Plain's such as Maha-eliya (Horton Plains) to the arid lowlands of Mannar and Vilpattu, to the steamy rainforests of Sabaragamuwa. Their camps were small, rarely exceeding 50 sq.m in area, thus suggesting occupation by not more than a couple of families at most.

[NoEalamInSL]

This life-style could not have been too different from that described for the Vaddas of Sri Lanka, the Kadar, Malapantaram and Chenchus of India, the Andaman lslanders and the Semang of Malaysia. They had been moving from place to place, on an annual cycle of looking for food.

[NoEalamInSL]

28500 BC - Lankans have started business between the coast and the hills Beads of shells have also been discovered deep inside the country. Discovery of marine shells in inland sites such as Batadomba-lena, points to an extensive network of contacts between the coast and the inland.

[NoEalamInSL]

28500 BC - Lankans have burial customs. Balangoda Man had a custom to bury his dead underneath his camp floor. He selected certain bones for this purpose. At Ravana Ella cave and Fa Hien Lena, red ochre had been ceremonially smeared on the bones.

[NoEalamInSL]

28500 BC - Geometric microliths (believed to be first used by the Europeans in 12,500BC) are found in Batadomba Lena in the tool kit of Balangoda Man, 16,000 years earlier than Europe first used it. The tool kit of Balangoda Man is distinguished by the occurrence of geometric microliths, comprising small (less than 4 cm long) flakes of quartz and (rarely) chert fashioned into stylised lunate, triangular .

[NoEalamInSL]

20000 BC - Earliest evidence of Europeans Earliest evidence of Europeans has been discovered in more than 200 caves, mostly in Spain and France, belonging to 20,000 to 10,000 BC. The most famous of them is the cave painting at Lascaux in France, which is dated to 13,000 BC. It has been painted by blowing red and yellow ochre onto the cave wall through hollow bones.

[NoEalamInSL]

15000 BC - Horton plains - Agro subsistence strategy 7000 years before the world did. There is pollen evidence from the Horton Plains for herding and the farming of barley and oats by 15,000 BC and also around 8,000 BC. The new evidence from the Horton Plains is of great importance. Ghar-i-Mar and Aq Kupruk in Afghanistan and Mehrgarh in Pakistan were known to have had a Neolithic subsistence strategy by 7,000-6,000 BC.

[NoEalamInSL]

15000 BC - SuriyaKanda near Ambilipitiya - use of necklaces & needles The female body parts recovered by archaeologists proved the use of needles (made of rabbit bones), and necklace made of a see-thru material like glass but as hardy as plastic. The Archaeologists have named her Nimali.

[NoEalamInSL]

12500 BC - Norway is inhabited by humans-( By 789 AD, along with such settlers from Denmark and Sweden, they became Vikings ) Archaeologists believe that Norway was inhabited around 12,000BC by hunters from western and central Europe. ( Later, farmers from Denmark and Sweden arrived and settled on the shores of the large lakes and fiords.

[NoEalamInSL]

All of them spoke a Germanic language that became the mother tongue of the later Scandinavian languages. Mountains protected them from attacks. Later an aristocracy developed in villages. Later they became kings. It was only in 750 AD that the first historical records of Scandinavia appeared. By that time 29 small kingdoms existed in Norway. By 789 AD, these kings along with Denmark and started to build ships to raid other European countries. Since then they were called Vikings.)

[NoEalamInSL]

12000 BC - MaduruOya findings World's oldest findings of the use of Steel, Copper, and irrigation technology

10500 BC - Alu-lena near Attanagoda, Kegalle More human remains were discovered here.

10000 BC - The Neolithic revolution starts in Mesopotamia, and then spread to the East, Europe, and India. In a brand new way of life, Humans slowly over several hundred years abandoned their nomadic hunter-gatherer existence and began to settle in permanent villages.

[NoEalamInSL]

People began to cultivate wheat, rye, peas, lentils, and other plants, and to domesticate animals such as cattle, sheep, pigs, and goats. Stone is still used to build tools and weapons. They also made pottery vessels for cooking and storing food, fashioned sickles out of stone for harvesting crops, and used flat stones as querns for grinding grain into flour. It is more labour-intensive than hunting and gathering.

[NoEalamInSL]

8000 BC - The Neolithic revolution start in China. Chinese started slow but their stone arrowheads and fishhooks, the silk fabrics, decorated pottery indicates a well-developed sense of design and art.

8000 BC - Humans begin to domesticate animals Around this time both humans and some animals ( like dogs, cattle, sheep, goats) started to live in close proximity ot eachother for mutual protection, food, clothing and companionship.

[NoEalamInSL]

7500 BC - Connections between Cambians, Sri Lankans, Ramayanaya & Mahabharataya The first wave of migrants to Sri Lanka from north India, were from the Yadu family from Gujarat. 7000 BC - Jericho, World's Oldest AND continuously occupied town has the earliest known National Defence system. 6000 BC - Lankan city on Mahamevuna Uyana

[NoEalamInSL]

6000 BC - Use of metal instead of stone Villagers in Turkey knew the art of hammering copper into shapes without smelting.

5500 BC - Urban traces emerge in Mesopotamia They were the world's oldest Neolithic settlement. They will transform in to the world's first civilisation 2000 years later.

[NoEalamInSL]

3500 BC - The boat that could carry over 150 passengers, is found in Lanka On Attanagalle Oya, a ferry capable of carrying over 150 people was discovered. This proved the existence of a well-established water-based transport system in Sri Lanka. That showed the advance state of the Hela (srilanka) civilisation of the time.

[ZapataSpeaks]

@NoEalamInSL This Idiot should shut up and confess about his governments warcrimes!

about that dutch mp, he's right, the dutch are still ruling the world and will be for centuries, google bilderberg you morons!

[NoEalamInSL]

@ZapataSpeaks, not clear, shutup to whom? refering to Balkenanda or Dayan? Whose war crime, Dutch or Sri Lankan?bilderberg een bakker? Dutch rules the world? in which way? Man, first try to learn to speak and express clearly before ruling the world.

[ZapataSpeaks]

@NoEalamInSL 80.000.000 Tamils will bring EELAM right up to your doorstep!

that banana republic of yours is very dependent of dutch gifts and loans! now your go kiss your"king" mahinda's warcriminal ass, you're nothing but a bunch of cowards and losers!!

[NoEalamInSL]

@ZapataSpeaks Sri Lanka is doing much better without donations of EU, NL. NL is in a credit crisis. Euro falls because new entrants to EU is banckrupting and other EU-memmber states have to pump-in money to those states to keep Euros high which they dont like to do bcos they have own problems. Sri Lanka after massive war cost and wthout donations from west rebouncing its economy with a double digit speed.

[Jaapman]

@NoEalamInSL

Your people were weak and they lost. Holland defeated them. accept history for what it is. If your people had had half a chance, they would have robbed the West. Fortunately, they were not able to do that, being oppressed by their local warlords and wallowing in mud, plagued by tropical diseases. You should thank the West for having brought you modern medicine and shut up.

[Jaapman]

If your people had had an overseas Empire, you would have been proud too. Sri Lanka (Ceylon) was not a country. Your people were being ruled by a bunch of local warlords- and the common folk were wallowing in the mud and tropical diseases. If it wasn't for Western Civilization, you wouldn't even know there was gas to be used as a natural resource. So have some respect for culture!

[Jaapman]

ungrateful wretch. Decolonization was clearly a mistake.

[NoEalamInSL]

@Jaapman, ungrateful? Should we thankful to the Durch, Portugese and English for invading our country killing, massacaring our ancestors who tried to defend Sri Lanka against slave traders and spice thieves? You should be son of Balkenanda who is proud and boast of VOC mentality and tried to convince his people and legislators to be proud of former VOC pirates, like somalian pirates now.

[4000marco]

you all here are wrong. if you live in holland you should now... he mentionted the voc mentality not because of its slavery, but because of its greatness,

its a blooper of him but he,s not stupid, evry country got some kind of blooper on his name,

[RogerNetherlands]

The Dutch Prime-minister is an idiot, nobody in The Netherlands approved this stupid speaking about the 'slave-company' VOC. That is why you hear lauging in the Dutch Parlement.

[melvinhage]

@RogerNetherlands WIC is slave company VOC is trade company.

[NoEalamInSL]

Sri Lanka's Dutch envoy intervenes over cooking gas pricing- minister.

(conversion: 1EURO=162 Rupees)

During the last price revision on April 30, Shell Gas was allowed to increase the price of its 12.5 kilogram cylinder by 191 rupees (increase by 1.18 euros) to 1,500 rupees. Shell Gas is part of the Royal Dutch group. EU try hard to give a hard time to Sri Lanka. VOC mentality!

[Squig2510]

I can hardly be bothered by a company such as Shell. Can only advice you to look up their number and complain there about their 'VOC mentality'. I see a pattern here.

[Squig2510]

NoEalamInSL, everything you mentioned is true even if I don't share your ideas of who to blame. Indeed the Netherlands and the EU have double standards. I am just so amazed you think in terms of apartheid.

Please allow me to counter the speech in your video with part of a speech by the lady I voted for. She held this speech some time after the Balkenende mess. I hope this proves my point there are people who are against our government statements and behaviour in the world.

[Squig2510]

Speech by Femke Halsema, GroenLinks;

"Under Balkenende our country has moved back 50 steps. There is more unemployment and poverty, less money for education. Balkenende called it 'annoying whining' regarding small print. But that small print, that is 118 thousand unemployed, 430 thousand children who grow up in poverty, tens of thousands of foreign students who are unsable to find internship. It are al those elderly people in elderly homes who receive insufficient healthcare or attention."

[Squig2510]

"It are the disabled who, against their will, were sent back to government aid with a one-way trip.

Fifty steps back is not enough for Balkenende. He actually wishes to go back three centuries. To the times of the V.O.C., the time of the plundering, the colonialism, the slavery. Well, the Surinames and Indonesians have warm memories of those times."

[Squig2510]

"You know, I was watching the PM and thought: 'Balkenende does not need any opposition. Let him speak freely for 15 minutes and he himself delivers proof that he is done governing!'"

- Femke Halsema

[Squig2510]

These are the words I share. Feel free to attack the Netherlands or the EU. I do not feel responsible and I won't keep trying to clarify that for you. However, if you're gonna show one negative side of the story, it would only be fair for me to show the other side that I am proud of. I still support your cause and I hoep we can stop fighting over Balkenende's stupid words. Just don't compare me to the VOC cause that's like comparing Germans to nazis and I don't like that.

Take care.

[NoEalamInSL]

Happy to know you share ideas of Halsema(?), but more important action taken against it. perhaps a single note to your politian or to your parliament or on TV. Dutch reporter who was reporting fom sri lanka said president Mahinda is mistreating Tamil minority. NOS Journal: "Er is een einde gekomen aan de burgeroorlog in Sri Lanka. Waarom was het er zo gewelddadig? De Tamils zijn een minderheidsgroep in het land, die zich al jaren gediscrimineerd voelt." Gemaakt door Fahim & Mijke. bias?

[Squig2510]

I just watch the source where you got this from. First allow me to ask, do you understand what is being said in the text and video?

[NoEalamInSL]

No. Can you please translate the text for no-Dutch viewers? I smelled like something not right. I am bit prejudiced, when it come to west media. they hardly say a positive thig of sri lanka war, so I assumed a baised news. dont they?

[NoEalamInSL]

I love this ironic voice and the beauty from Marrocco? Its pitty that these words not came up from a Dutch gene where VOC mentality come from!

[Squig2510]

Excuse me? What are you trying to say? Femke Halsema is Dutch. :P

[NoEalamInSL]

she is dutch citizen with Marroccan blood. she looks Arabic for me. dark curly hair with light brown skin and black eyes. or has she blue eyes? I just googled name and found her pics.

[Squig2510]

Why don't you look her up in Wikipedia and come back again? xP

[eranjenes]

who's the man speaking in a different language other than english? btw well said dr. dayan! we dont need advice from these ppl.

[NoEalamInSL]

He is Jan Peter Balkenende alias Harry Potter, Prime Minister of the Netherlands speaking in the Dutch Parliament. Boasting of VOC or EIC (East-India Company) mentality in the 15th century which recinates current west european mentality with regard to Sri Lanka and third world countries

[NoEalamInSL]

Access into Sri Lankan relief camps improves: UN. - 13 Jun 2009, 0903 hrs IST, PTI. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon told reporters Thursday that the Sri Lankan Government has addressed some concerns he raised during his recent visit to the country over humanitarian access to the camps.

[NoEalamInSL]

If you know western poltics,please convince me that EU not speaking double. Human rights protections or investigations imposed only upon East & South NOT on upon the West & the North. Give me an exanple. Milosovic brought to Den Haag not Bush. Many African to Den Haag but not Germans, British. Den Haag War Tribunal only a olde slavery court where apartheid recognized. Can you deny that?

I dont speak Dutch, you do. yet your knowledge on west politics is poor than mine.

[NoEalamInSL]

I am open to two-way or multiple-way discussions. listen to speech by Ambassador Sri Lanka, Dr. Dayan at UNHRC. More open discussions than us. more influential institutes than our two computer. More influential people than two of us. Listen to the video over and over again, though I have repeated in the video. I knew it is hard get in to the system or to switch ON your brain. VOC do in blood thats why they speak double. Slavery trade 1530-1890 cant be erassed easliy even after 120years in 2009.

[Squig2510]

I feel sorry for you. It's easy to bring in sources and talk like you know all when in fact you know nothing. You keep repeating statements regarding the EU and the Netherlands which are completely incorrect despite the fact I've corrected you numerous times. You don't wish to learn or debate, you just want to talk. That's not the way things work, neither here nor in Sri Lanka. I've had good talks with Sri Lankan friends who do understand my point.

[Squig2510]

Let's face it, you know noting of western politics. Your assumptions you keep forcing down my throat as 'facts' make no sense whatsoever. Don't try and look as if you know our political system, because right now you just make yourself look silly.

Our media was one of the most objective reporters on the Sri Lanka topic, repeatedly stating when they were uncertain of the validity of the information, giving all sides of the stories. You wouldn't know cause you don't speak Dutch.

[Squig2510]

As such, unless you wish to have a two-way debate where you refrain from assumptiouse statements of 'facts' and just ask if you don't know something instead, we're done talking.

Lastly, with regards to the "VOC mentality still in blood" statement of yours; screw you.

[NoEalamInSL]

I am open to two-way or multiple-way discussions. listen to speech by Ambassador Sri Lanka, Dr. Dayan at UNHRC. More open discussions than us. more  influential institutes than our two computer. More influential people than two of us. Listen to the video over and over again, though I have repeated in the video. I knew it is hard get in to the system or to switch ON your brain. VOC do in blood thats why they speak double. Slavery trade 1530-1890 cant be erassed easliy even after 120years in 2009.

[NoEalamInSL]

If you know western poltics,please convince me that EU not speaking double. Human rights protections or investigations imposed only upon East & South NOT on upon the West & the North. Give me an exanple. Milosovic brought to Den Haag not Bush. Many African to Den Haag but not Germans, British. Den Haag War Tribunal only a olde slavery court where apartheid recognized. Can you deny that?

I dont speak Dutch, you do. yet your knowledge on west politics is poor than mine.

[Rajadahana]

Squig2510, you seems like a person with the quality of trying to understand opinions of others. That is a quality which must be appreciated. I must say I am not a genius on Western politics.

But I didn't follow one thing though. How did you measure that media of your country (Our media) was objective, while all BBC, CNN and Al jazera were reporting from the angle of the terrorists. It should be quite an achievement. Can you please clarify on that. (I don't speak DUTCH)

[Squig2510]

The Dutch media has repeatedly stated they cannot verify their sources because their reporters were not allowed access to the conflict zone. An example was externally obtained video footage of wounded and dead Tamils. They clarified the SL army claimed this was the result of LTTE actions, where the LTTE claimed the army shelled those people, but that they (the media) could not verify either claim because they could not reach the area. They did the same for aerial footage obtained by the army.

[Rajadahana]

Can you clarify it further, because, EU team pointed out their finger to Sri Lanka for 'War Crimes' we didn't hear any objection to EU statement from the dutch diplomat. So the dutch officials were sure about their accusation. Which made me think that you don't have investigative journalists in Netherlands. It seems your government knows more than your media. (Normally it is the other way around on ground level information) So I feel your media must be quite lethargic on reporting of this war.

[Rajadahana]

If I repeat your statement in other word what your media has said or how they have acted (According to you), "We have some footage and information, but we don't know whether they are true or false. Here they are" Bit of a joke isn't it? Verifying the information and source is a fundamental norm in journalism. Is this what you described as "being objective"?

[Squig2510]

Yes, they had no way to verify the source. That doesn't mean they made no attempt to do so. I think it will take years before we do know what really happened there. They didn't make up stories but instead showed they didn't know for sure themselves.

I have no way of telling what the government knew or thought to know. Also, the EU isn't representing the Netherlands as foreign politics is left to member states. I know they were concerned here and made some bs statements.

[Squig2510]

In one case, all of the foreign ministers from the 27 member states did agree they wanted to invesitigate what had happened there. They did not blame anyone for warcrimes but wanted to investigate both sides (government and LTTE) to see if such crimes have been committed.

[Rajadahana]

I am sorry to say this Squig2510, you have rapt in your own statement. According to you, your media have published even the information from LTTE which is a terrorist organization. So if I publicly say Barack Obama is a criminal, your media is going to publish that without any investigation or questioning and say "We are not sure about this man". :-) Your media is not concerned about the credibility. Is that right? or is that the correct practice?

[Squig2510]

In the Sri Lankan conflict the media recognized two opposing sides; the SL government and the LTTE. It's only logical to let both sides comment on any video footage. Failure to do so will proof bias, but because they did they are proving to be objective. ;)

[Rajadahana]

I am enjoying reading your comments. :-D (filling the blanks with correct words) In the efforts of "War against terrorism" media recognized two opposite sides; US government and Al Quaeda. It is only logical to let both sides comment on any video footage. Failure to do so will proof bias, but because they do they are proving to be objective. So, equal air time is given to US and Alqueda in your medias. (I know for sure it is not happening) It is not right isn't it? Why is that?

[Squig2510]

Because our media is biased when it comes to Al Quaeda, just as follows from my statement. Perhaps that's because we're an involved party in the Al Quaeda conflict? ^^

This conversation does give me new insights on the issues discussed. Thanks, I appreciate it. ;)

[Rajadahana]

With a compliment for your appreciation I must correct you. If the conflict against Al Quaeda is against TERRORISM, Sri Lanka is the most important member of that WAR. Because it is the only country which defeated an international terrorist organization in the recent history. But Sri Lankan media cannot be justified, if they are bias. Because of the reason for being a part of war. What you said is a total misconception.

[Squig2510]

The Taliban and Al Quaeda are direct combatants against our government troops in Afghanistan. It's something the Dutch population cares about. Sadly, the Dutch population cannot care less about Sri Lanka. Even though it has been in the media frequently, I'm sure few people will know about it. There is likely to be more than one reason for media to be biased. I can't say why, but the media was clearly objective to the Sri Lanka conflict.

[Rajadahana]

You are going back to the beginning. It is SIMPLE, if you published or represented the ideas of LTTE, it is an act of helping terrorism. Against a government elected from the votes of the people, against the sovereignty of a state. Sri Lankans don't need the sympathy of the Westerners. Just think about it, you cannot think of a single reason to justify the bias reports on Al Quaeda of your media. Because there isn't any. So how come giving same prominence to LTTE and GOSL is OBJECTIVE?

[Rajadahana]

And also see the contradiction of your ideas. In the very early stages of your comments, you were trying to create a gap between your government and people, regarding the statement he made (Which is in this video). You were trying to say that your PM doesn't represents the whole population. But in here you use "Dutch people cares" so how come people's decision comes into play when a gap is there between PM and people. Be caution about your words, and ideas.

[Squig2510]

Sorry I'm not following anymore. Bit confused. You seem agitated too...

The way the media treats Al Quaeda and the LTTE is very much different in both form and quantity. After your victory over the LTTE, we heard little to none about the situation there.

[Rajadahana]

Telling truth in straight forward manner cannot be described as Agitation. I feel sorry about your misunderstanding and thinking that I have become angry with U. It is good to see that you are matured than your age. But I feel you have so many things to read, experience and understand on these kind of situations. Just take what U have just said as an example. We'll just analyze the incident. Western media was reporting the Sri Lankan war in two angles.

[Rajadahana]

1. One effort to divide Sri Lanka in to two parts was defeated

2. As a support for LTTE (Due to pressure and demand of LTTE diaspora from various sources)

3. As a boxing match (For Marketing and Entertainment)

With the eradication of LTTE three agendas also automatically disappears. There is a famous saying, "Divide and Rule". That effort had eliminated. There is no pressure from Tamil diaspora living in EU. There is no match to report. So there won't be news in your channels now.

[Rajadahana]

But you must have seen the enthusiasm of the western media on displaced people while the war is going on. There were so much accusation towards GOSL on displaced people. Even now they are living in huts. But western media is not interested NOW, after the eradication of LTTE. WHY? Because it was not their interest or agenda. Always try to understand the hidden agendas beneath the surface.

[Rajadahana]

Don't let anyone to bamboozle you. Fight for your right to know. Good day, enjoyed your comments,and hope you'll understand. Thanks.

[Squig2510]

I want to know, that's why I'm here. I would never be cautious about my ideas because I want to share ideas with others. Having these talks with you makes me learn other points of view, whether I agree with them or not. If there's this universe of ideas, I try to connect to others, increase my own universe with what has been shared, and reform my ideas based on that. You mentioned I have much to read; can you give examples?

[NoEalamInSL]

Sri Lanka's Dutch envoy intervenes over cooking gas pricing- minister.

(conversion: 1EURO=162 Rupees)

During the last price revision on April 30, Shell Gas was allowed to increase the price of its 12.5 kilogram cylinder by 191 rupees (increase by 1.18 euros) to 1,500 rupees. Shell Gas is part of the Royal Dutch group. EU try hard to give a hard time to Sri Lanka. VOC mentality!

[Rajadahana]

I will contact you. Because the answer to you is irrelevant to the video.

[NoEalamInSL]

Squig, People are judged by present acts not from where they come from. Past is a record to track present and future. Just like in police. once you do a crime it will be recorded and it will be helpful to make a judgement on a person later. Watch my videos Sri Lanka conquered EU dictatorship. listen what presient of UNHRC said. Watch High commisioner, Navi Pillai and Dayan, Rajivas speeches. make a judgement yourself. You are dishonst because you dont admit what EU does. only defend ur people.

[Squig2510]

I have said time and time again the governments are doing wrong but you're blaming the *people* rather than the governments.

[NoEalamInSL]

Governments are people. People have have to correct if govts doing wrong. there are opinions and discussions, in media. The state media of NL baised. they say our president dont like Tamil minority. NOS journal. thats how they change minds of people. Dutch people are not stupid. they are good like their ancestors. VOC mentality still in blood. they know exactly whats going on in sri lanka. they want some how two states in Sri Lanka. thats general european attitude. divide, divide except EU,

[NoEalamInSL]

thank you for the feedback. well, hope you have ears, eyes and a bird brain to intepret the massege in the video.

VOC is considered to be most cruel organization. massacres during invasions, slavery are among other cruelties done by VOC. Dutch PM refered VOC to be proud of it. VOC mentality sounds shocking for us, perhaps not for you. Use of dynamics means, through other institutes like UNHRC, NGO to spread their power not the justice. sounds normal for you, horrific for us.Dayan warned of it.

[Squig2510]

We are well aware of our colonial past. This was no different years ago when the PM made this statement to Femke Halsema of the GroenLinks party. As a result his statement was condemned, but you conveniently left that out. You can even hear the government getting noisy in the background.

Now you're trying to attack the UN by using the Netherlands as a poor and incomplete example. I'm very disappointed you chose to abuse our colonial past for your personal propaganda.

[NoEalamInSL]

2510, I can excuse for his statement if it slipped by a mistake and west supported Sri Lanka and congratulated for defeating LTTE terrorists. but they didnt. I am convinced he meant what he said. West made a drama. finaly won by sri lanka. a double victory. I am disturbed and sick of these white european attitude towards Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka, genuinely fought and won the war against terrorists, beyond imagination of these west europeans. Personal propaganda? shut up & watch my UHRC videos

[Squig2510]

If you actually read my comments to you in the past you'd realize I support Sri Lanka's cause. Sadly you chose to attack an entire nation despite the support you receive by part of it's citizens. In my opinion your comparison is flawed and unjustified.

[NoEalamInSL]

Dutch? I have no personal haterism for any european. I am furious abt UNHRC. Dutch is leading EU against SL. why? dont use your regular answer, Yes, it is strange, but not all... bla,bla. come straight. tell one good reason to be anti-sri lanka? all accusations pre-text. West dont like East to be united. their arm industry fall down. China, russia, india becomes giants in Asia. Economy saturated in europe. they need to expand. but to where? sri lanka strategicaly located in Asia, a huge market.

[Squig2510]

Indeed that's the way how some of us think. It's narrow-minded to blame all of us for that group. The fact I don't really like you doesn't mean I have to dislike all Sri Lankans, yet that's exactly what follows from your logic.

[NoEalamInSL]

For the simple reason, conecting statement by Dutch PM and reality at UNHRC you dont like me? How do you want me to treat you then? you dont like this clip doesnt mean all Dutch PPL dont agree with me. perhaps Balkanenda your leader. I personaly like hm. but his statement recinates with European mentality towards Sri Lanka. Dont be afraid to admit it. I've heard Dutch are honest and direct. but you?

[Squig2510]

I'd like you to actually read what I write. Not all people disagree or agree with you, but you're blaming an entire country despite of knowing this. Balkenende's statement is in line with some of the European voices but again that's not *all* of Europe. Do you hate Europe so much you're blind to see anything that doesn't fit your beliefs?

[Squig2510]

I'm disgusted by your comparison of our colonialism with the UN using our present day country. That's like using WW2 Germany to compare present day Germany with something bad.

Do you still blame this country after all those years? I can't see why you think I'm being dishonest or indirect.

[NoEalamInSL]

Balkanenda representing Majority Dutch. He was elected by an election. Listen, dont try to wash dirty laundry. I am talking about West europeans, specially EU's hypocrisy, double standard, double talk, double treat to Sri Lanka. The statement by your PM was in 2006 september, not very long ago. dont defend, do something about it. You people are wrong. Sri Lanka is not killing people like west europeans did. we didnt have concentration camps, we didnt invade any country, we defend our cntry

[Squig2510]

You think we get to elect our PM? Balkenende is the leader of the CDA party which has 41 out of 150 seats in the government. He was appointed by the Queen because his party is the largest party. Check wikipedia for more info if you like.

Back to your statement. You are absolutely right in saying Sri Lanka defended itself. It had the right to do so. The EU should not intervene in your country's business. I'm not the only one who feels that way. You understand I disagree with the government?

[NoEalamInSL]

you have a colition govt. combination of parties make the govt. PM responsible for collective outcome of decision making withing govt. if others disagree they can disove govt. when dutch governemnt (EU)was asking for war crime investigation into alleged human rights violation the proposal was defeated by 29-12. the decision has to be respected. but later they kept repeating the same request. they are like dictators. they some how want GOSL to fall. why? your govt(NL) plays a major role in EU.

[memaansex]

i dn't undertand wht you saying here..........wht's wrong with Dutch Prime Ministers statement.

Maybe your video not caotured the whole thing. Its really confusing wht u trying the say here

[NoEalamInSL]

thank you for the feedback. well, hope you have ears, eyes and a bird brain to intepret the massege in the video.

VOC is considered to be most cruel organization. massacres during invasions, slavery are among other cruelties done by VOC. Dutch PM refered VOC to be proud of it. VOC mentality sounds shocking for us, perhaps not for you. Use of dynamics means, through other institutes like UNHRC, NGO to spread their power not the justice. sounds normal for you, horrific for us.Dayan warned of it.

[memaansex]

still make no sense. :us" who's us? Far as I know VOC is Dutch trading company in 1600 through out to 19 th century. Ofcoz they have to be proud of it. Wht is horrific about it? How dose it affect SL? sanctions? naaaaah stop worrying they cannot put sanctions there are more global political importans in Sri Lanka location wise. So no biggy even they scream and yell aiming on take advantage by trapping the SL GOV. Nothing else........ UNHRC, VOC no biggy.

[NoEalamInSL]

memaansex, why you deleted your question and my answer? embararassed. put it back or I dont answer your comments. I have no time to wast. if I give an opinion it should remain here unless I delete it.

[memaansex]

I cannot delete if u post something. Forum admin is u. Seems u are stupid than I thought u r, if u think like that. Funny ............. Now i understand you better. No need of your answers. By posting about "comment delete" issue I understand that you r not awear of certain things but jump into conclusions. Well person with such personality is not wise enough to analys deeper issues. i won't waste your time. keep your opinions :). have a happy life.

[NoEalamInSL]

Yes I am bit new and inexperience. We in Sri Lnaka rearly use computers. Hope you can forgive me incompetency. I think you can delete your comments in my channel. you cant delete my comment or others comments in my channel. You Tube too remove certain video comments.