Visions of the Future 5

[Domzdream]

Poor woman, this joanne. It's especially hard seeing the one you love so dearly, whoever they are to you, to see them become decimated over a lengthy persiod of time. So sad.

[Domzdream]

At 4:50)

This is  pretty much the pinacle of ascention of where we are going to 'go' with our technology. Which is, when you think about it, extremely paradoxical.

That's why I LOOOOOVE that film Ai, and Bicentenial Man. Both questioning the idea of a soul. Of life. Of what we recognise as moral, which gives us a human quality. Both are brilliant movies which I HIGHLY recommend to anyone. Bicentenial Man is even MORE philosophical though.

[nyladyjdavis]

Why build something you can't control? It does not compute.

[John94098]

@nyladyjdavis, dude if we build them, then we WILL be able to control them.

[NorthwestBudz]

Whoa at the end with that surgery, think about this...they just proved that they have the power to control human emotion instantly, by flipping a switch....

[ryanwilliammac]

weve evolved more than animals and now lock them up

[MrYou2berz]

@ryanwilliammac we are animals

[javonne]

for example, i-robot was a fear movie meant to scare people away from technological development, it was a movie where the Robots started to take over, but if you realized what they were doing it for then you would understand that it was our behaviors which caused them to react in such a way, they did what they did to in fact "save" humanity from itself. not a plot to take over the word, but to preserve it

[javonne]

people who are saying that robots with emotions would kill us or develope some kind of resentment towards us, aren't looking for solutions to the problems which cause our society to be what it is today. WHY do people do the things they do? WHY are people hateful? if we would stop pointing fingers and actually try to figure out what it is the root causes of our behaviors, and then fix them, then what bases would there be for an emotional robot to want to harm a human being?

[spartacandream]

They won't become more intelligent than us, we'll merge with machine. Just make sure our abilities and intelligence stays higher.

We're already at the point where we can control emotions, where emotions become subject to free will is when we start to see words like "crime", "hatred", and other bad aspects of humanity become archaic words from a time forgotten. Though do we really want to forget those bad emotions? Or shouldn't we keep them? Lest we forget what its like to be down.

[aguytojoin]

Judgement Day coming soon!

[SpyMisa]

wow that's insane!!

[DanielJustinLeBlanc]

@ the woman who was depressed and then underwent the surgery. HOLY. FUCKING. SHIT. That is fucking insane and surreal, really. Didn't even know something like this existed. WOW this is blowing my mind.

[harlosik13]

We do our calculations in a very similar way... electrical signals. robots move using electrical energy so do we. emotions are governed by chemistry, drugs are proof of that. our brain is a literal battery, more sodium on one side than the other makes electricity thats how we are "alive" robots are a repicate of ourselves. you cant have robots without us thats the biggest difference of all!

[FederationAdmiral]

Even if robots would ever become "smart", they still wouldn't really be able to beat a human as far as I think. For 1 thing, no matter how complex a computer's system is-it is still a robot. It still does calculations; the only thing different is the amount of calculations per second. While a human, can truly be unpredictable-mainly because our capacity for Art and Creativity. One thing that robots can't ever really do better than us,since all their creativity is merely mathematic calculations.

[ExtantFrodo]

you are basing this judgment on an assumption that robot hardware will forever continue in the same vein as current processors. Not only are there many other ways of implementing hardware learning systems which are only minimally programmed but actual neuron chips have been used as a basis for robot control. Yes rat neurons grown on a chip, then used by a robot to process sensor intput and navagate it's environment.

[FederationAdmiral]

That's what I'm calling "smart", but not intelligent

[ExtantFrodo]

Oh you just need to see some more examples of what can be done. For instance check out imagination-engines or

Read Kurzweil's "the age of spiritual machines".

Creativity is not merely in the domain of human brains. The previous post was to point out that your allusion to robots being "merely mathematical" was off base as well.(although I think if you knew the neuron completely you'd find math was sufficient to model it.

[FederationAdmiral]

I've seen many examples actually. But flesh, neurons, mathematics-they all kinda go together. But we have those already, they're called animals. Radically Complex self-replicating organisms. last time I checked, they could barely construct the brain of an ant, which is less than a millimeter in size. A little bit sideoff, but aren't they like making special drod-cyborgs at Area 51? It's just something I've heard, but could be the connection between neurons and math-that they developed.

[Toki52]

I would be the best dancer in my zoo.

[pimpnprofits]

If we developed a robot that was smarter than us it would build a spaceship so it could get the hell out of here before we kill ourselves along with it!

[John94098]

@pimpnprofits, true that.

[HerrSchmutz]

@pimpnprofits

Easier to just protect itself and then help our self destruction along, no need to build a spaceship and no need to leave. :I

[deliciousonionsoup]

Wow, a five hour slow tedious operation - everyone in that operating theatre must be falling asleep. Such precisions though! And such an impact on this person's moods by stimulation to that precise part of the brain. Very revealing how people can be depressed without being able to control it. But sad that a powerpact and implants are needed. It's both alarming and inspiring. Is the only hope for the depressed such an implant?

[deliciousonionsoup]

Very interesting - if we have robots without emotions then they will become / be dangerous, just as humans without emotions will become / be dangerous. And sadly we already have many humans without emotions.

[NorthwestBudz]

@deliciousonionsoup But look at it this way, if we have robots with emotions, then they can make decisions based on those emotions, whether it is fear or anger...the outcome will not be good....think about it the most ruthless dictators had emotions..

[John94098]

@deliciousonionsoup, don't get pissed off with me... but every human has feelings,... even the world's worst enemies had/have feelings... ANGER is what they feel, and JEALOUSY and so on.

[mockingarab]

Oh no don't be scared! We can make robots smarter than us and more perfect than us = without the evil gene. It's going to be better than what "god" created.

[mockingarab]

I can't wait to have sex with a woman robot and when I'm done she says "we need to talk!"

[irvrod]

so they cant control the way we think?!?

does anyone else find that incredibly wrong?

[irvrod]

well... im down for sexbots

right?!?!? XD

[Perapsam]

I think developing AI is a very important factor in Human development. Humans have a trait, which is that they want sometihng to lord over- Evidence of this is consistant slavery etc.

With advanced robots, we can all have something to boss about.

[MoOtJeMan]

@Perapsam Until a symphatic scientists liberates the robots and indirectly helps the genocide of mankind...

:(

[Otagent]

BSANONYMOUS You call Michio kaku My Idol For idiot ?

[Dunniebrasco]

must be kina wired feeling or fuuny for Kaku when he is in japan,,,same Face but he dont know anything about them -- duno where Kakus parents are from.but STIL

[mockingarab]

How do you know he doesn't know anything about them?

[CityzenJane]

It's kind of funny. Men have searched for servents in children, women and men from other places and now robots...perhaps the only issue we have to really deal with is the urge of some to subjugate others...

[metaslugx]

sets it one

"this isn't gonna work, this sucks, #$@% you!!!"

okaaaay, that didn't work, maybe this will

"WOW this stuff is great man i feel AWESOME I love you guys i really do!"

okay, switch it back....

[Domzdream]

At 4:50. I think that's how humans will intergrate with robots as equals. It'll be so gradual, that we won't even know it will have happend. We'll go: 'oh. cool. Never noticed this transition'. When we start to live in harmony with machines being part of us literally, we'll find it hard to differ.

[ifsothenpuke]

First we want machines to become supirior in intelligence than us but once they do they will create others like them then decide to eliminate us.Then what??? Then we start to try to find a way to destroy them in which millons of our race will perish.Bravo i guess we are so intelligent.bottm line we just want to hurt ourselfs

[mockingarab]

Why do you assume Robots will be evil? They are robots not humans.

[cryonyits07done]

Because thats what we human are good at,first we say it cant happen then when it does we push the bar,when its too late we get stuck,so why do it!

[mockingarab]

Because without taking that risk we will never go ahead in Science.

[cryonyits07done]

Taking risks is the easiest thing to do,even dogs do it better,Knowing where and when to stop is still in its enfancy in our Genes.

[deliciousonionsoup]

Unreal and sad that you got marked down by 3 people for writing this comment. I gave you a thumbs up btw.

[cryonyits07done]

The truth is only realised after the whole human folly as been accomplished,then they will bring about these questions :what have we done?Humans they never change wonder if they will one day?

[deliciousonionsoup]

Does this happen on the individual level? Or is it a mass learning thing? Did you learn this way?

[cryonyits07done]

What you on about?

[TheKariboDude]

I'd rather have a human friend then a robot....

[Domzdream]

Watch Bicentenial man for the philosophical essence he's talking about. Brilliant movie!

[TheJamezMan]

6:39 "Dark fucking world"

[Colombian459]

The only solution to AI and Human Conflict is the mergence with this new Intelligence.

[blackhorizons12]

Seriously though, fuck having robots

Im perfectly capable of making my own damn dinner thank you!

[heyjeySigma]

heh well said.. that is until u get to the age range 80-90, of course IF u make till that age hehe

[Luphrecio]

well thats what asimo is used for in Japan, the elderly and handicapped...

[DFWTexan42]

There is always the danger the technology could get out of hand, even with the laws of robotics hardwired into the circuits. I've seen to many hardware failures to discount that possibility. If it's just firmware, then Look Out!

[covmatak]

I think you've been watching too much I Robot LOL..

[DFWTexan42]

My favorite Asimov series!

[DFWTexan42]

The Three Laws of Robotics

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2. A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

[pepetruelo]

Thanks DFW!

The laws sound good to me. They would need to be added to every nation's constitution, just to make sure they are well known and enforced.

However, Prof. Minsky's words are still ringing in my ears, and it is possible that artificial intelligence might lead a robot to override his own instructions.

What do you think?

[covmatak]

Even so... these robot technologies will be distributed in Japan first before reaching the rest of the world... so whatever the robots do to them... well lets just say.. they would be used as the escape goat.. what do u think?

[DFWTexan42]

Agreed, Japan will use AI robots first, for medical assistance an such, they are volunteering to be the guinea pig culture for testing robot AI.

[mockingarab]

You sound like god.

Obey orders? Slavery again?

[pepetruelo]

What are Asimov's Rules of Robotica?

[pepetruelo]

I´ll drink to that...

CHEERS !!

[HiAdrian]

Fascinating.

[pepetruelo]

Prof. Marvin Minsky (Co-Founder MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab) "Really, you can't predict what will happen, because in a very short time the machine might develop and learn and invent and test new ideas, in such variety that the next day you wouldn't understand what it's doing and it would be too busy to bother trying to explain it to you."

It's good to see these guys having everything under control.

Call me old-fashioned, but I'd rather stick to communicating with real people.