If a Corporation was a "Person" you could murder it. If you are willing to spend the rest of your life in Prison you are free to kill any person you choose. It's a simple trade, your life for theirs. If Corporations were people someone who's child got cancer from a Dow chemical would be free to take a pistol and go "kill" Dow Chemical. After turning themselves in to authorities they might get 20 years in prison but Dow would be "dead"! It can't happen because Dow is NOT a person!
Corporations are NOT people (despite what Mitt Romney and the Supreme Court says)! Scary that in the USA by the time you are 55 YOU are dependant on Corporations for most of your income. Check your IRA's, 401(k)'s, Mutual Funds and other retirement holdings. I'm 54 and have never made more than $60K in any one year by my labor. By this point in life some months I make more from my investments than I do from my 40hr JOB! I guess that means some months I'm a Capitalist & others a Worker...
I have to say this is a jewel. Let's not only watch it, lets actually change. Not the world, but us as individuals. And that way we will be changing the world.
@fognog3 what the hell are you going on about? i make more now than i ever have. i was agreeing with you. go back and read the comments before you become a smartass.
I think the definition of a corporation as a "legal person" should ring some bells in your head the next time you are in court. Know this, you as a human being are a separate entity than your "legal person". Otherwise the rationale behind the corporation as a living thing would be absurd. It isn't...but yet a corporation is a "legal person", something you are not...unless you choose to be. Hmm, that freeman on the land fella actually makes some good points.
@karinkdf what harm are you speaking of? Do you actually think that if they put this erroneous film up in theater across america that by some sort of magic that harm will befall ppl who pay to see it? What exactly is the matter with charging someone a fee that a consumer can freely and voluntarily accept to pay so as to see the film? the makers of the film get rewarded for thier 8 years of effort, the consumer gets to see what he wants. both parties win. capitalism is not a zero sum game ppl
Basically, corporations have been awarded all of the rights and privileges associated with personhood while having been relieved of all of the responsibility.
When corporations are made to pay a fee or tax when they put pollution or otherwise harm the environment, they will try to do what benefits everyone in pursuit of higher profits. It's not really so much that they seek profit. The problem is that harmful activities are profitable. Pollution fees and fees on the taking of natural resources would be the best way of accounting for externalities. Depleting resources and putting pollution would be costly to industry. They would try to reduce / stop it
One of the best films I have ever seen. Too bad most Americans are too stupid to watch this movie. Then again we have become the society of the stupid.
I will say this. I do believe more that, along with a civil bill of rights, there should be an economic bill of rights. Moreover, if we can treat a corporation like a person, then why not the earth to some extent and set up an ecological bill of rights?
What I find ironic, is that these guys are criticizing the profit motive. But then at the end of every clip, they're asking for money! LOL. Had you just put ur movie in the theaters and marketed it, then I'm sure several million people would have watched it for a small sum and all your efforts of 8 years would have been rewarded handsomely.
@tatsumakisempyukaku Not a lot of people watched this for free. It took around 200 people to make and 8 years. You can't make assumptions about shit you don't know about. He is giving you precious information for FREE. If you don't like the way he is doing things then you can stop watching HIS film, OR he can charge you to watch his movie like other entertainment companies/corporations.
@animelegacy 1st of all, much of the info is wrong. for example in clip 4 they talk of externalities aka 3rd party effects. They propose this concept as if all 3rd party effects are negative. that is to say, that if u & i make a deal and do something the effects of our interaction towards other will have negative outcomes. However, this is false. There are countless externalities that have positive outcomes to ppl who were never involved in a given interaction. For example, if i fire proof my
if i fire proof my house, I pay the cost to a company that does the work on my home. You being my neighbor bear no cost to fire proofing my home, but all the while you benefit from my fire proofing my home because in the event that my home catches fire, that fire can be contained and not spread to your home. or my home may never catch fire and so you benefit. This corporation film is full of poorly thought out notions, noble though their intentions may be, but good intentions are over rated
@animelegacy lastly, what assumptions are you assuming that i'm assuming? i found it ironic that they criticize the profit motive, but in the final analysis they need profit, ergo, they ask for money. the only thing that can be said that i assumed is that this film was in theater at one time at some place where money was charged for ppl to see it. because i did assume, since they're asking for money, that they must have never put it in theater. .." ok kids. gtg
Chomsky - "Not a law of nature; a specific legal decision."
I'd be curious to know which decision/case that was. For anybody familiar with law out there, would you happen to know the X v. Y (or similar) of such a case somewhere in the US (preferably at the federal level)?
@JukeboxJunkie83 That's a paradox really, because the corporation is a legal entity and its powers are defined by the state. Not refuting you or saying something you don't already know, but it's interesting.
@JukeboxJunkie83 As Mussolini the creater of Fascism explained about fascist economics: Fascism is corporatism--in the sense of a medieval guild unifying all aspects of society in favor of corporations in one guild--the merger of state and corporate power.
"they have no soul. they have no conscience. they act in complete disregard for the community. they're just not like us!" are these the words of liberals talking about corporations or the words of racists talking about black people?
@vearheart42 i agree that it is US vs THEM but we have different ideas of who "they" are and we have different ideas of how to stop them. liberals think greed is bad. conservatives think the greed is good. libertarians think the government is enabling bad corporate behavior... what do you think?
As Hayek illustrates in 'The Road to Serfdom', however, 'The Public Good' is as much of an abstraction of a concept as 'The Bottom Line' is when mentioned along the lines of what the CEO of Royal Dutch Shell was explaining. What complicates things more so is the marriage of corporations and the State into monopolies.
money and power is already there. ultimately, what kills is the desire and greed for more power, profit and money. each person has a amount of money they are satisfied with. one who does not have a # for amount of money satisfaction is the destroyer, the most dangerous and evilest person
What I want to know is, when will the corporations take over so that we loose our individuality altogether and ONLY the corporation citizens matter. When will peoples names not really matter any more and when will people be asking what do you do and who do you work for before they ask, what is your name and how are you?
Getting annoying when the film producer is constantly pitching for a donation at the end of each clip...didn't they win 27 awards? You telling me someone didn't pay them off?
@Amocee It annoys ME when people complain about free stuff. YT doesn't require us to pay money to watch vids that they're hosting on their servers that they DO have to pay money for. The people involved in making this documentary had expenses, most of which were probably paid for out of their own pockets - some of that money earned by working for the very corporations that they're speaking against. Some of the money was probably gained through loans or gifted to them. Don't be so quick to judge!
@vclxrr You have to admit after every other segment it gets Annoying...I have no problem if they throw a donate pitch at the begin or end of the film...but after everyother clip come on? And by the way I make films myself and Don't ask ppl to donate anything...why...because if my intention is to sell a product I WON'T ADVERTISE IT FOR FREE...it is more important to make something with a MESSAGE instead of using high tech movie making equpment...
@Amocee Alright, i can agree with what you're saying. (And i glanced at your channel. Props to you for your work.) But i think they included the ad at the end of each segment in case someone doesn't watch the whole thing. (Yes, i know that seems silly - if you're going to watch the whole thing, then you don't need the constant reminder to donate. And if you're not going to watch the whole thing, why would you bother donating.) People also report being annoyed by the Wikipedia banner. ...
@Amocee ... And there are reports that the banner actually reduces donations.
Still, Mark Akbar did say that this is the "shareware" version of the film. And in true shareware fashion, we have the constant request for cash donations poping up. I will concede that the ads DO get annoying after awhile, but i skip past them. So i hear you. But i'm constantly seeing ppl complaining about the fact that YT has ads now. Nobody wants to watch them, but we all want our free vids. *shrug*
@Amocee I'll say also, that i guess another thing that rubbed me the wrong way about your original comment was the idea that because they won awards, someone "paid them off". Maybe you didn't mean it perjoratively, and i just took it the wrong way. But still.
@SpamAnn nothing personal Ann but I have just noticed how self serving the man is over the years and he makes my skin crawl - no big deal just a turn off- you never get that with someone?
Sorry. rule 1 of economics is corporations must put profits first. well the PR is just a means for corporations to operate without society frowning upon it.
I support this film! I could never find it for sale so I rented it many times, and was DELIGHTED to find it on Netflix. I find some new piece of information every time I watch it. The Corporation should be MANDATORY viewing in schools across North America. Great, great, great, phenomenal job.
It's known that their first investment was from the money they made with the technique posted at ez-casino(dot)com, I've started to make money with it...
@mollycanadian And what if the people become corrupt? There's a good video I think you should watch on Plato's assessment of democracy: watch?v=K0Z7eDaaNlY
if not for capital we in the usa would be a 3rd world country. monopolies dont ever work w/o governments help . the people and the gov are the problems not the corps.
true free markets would never allow monopolies to strive ,as long as the robbers and murderers (governments) stayed in their parameters ,the constitution,the law.
dont blame the victims blame the responsible parties.
Who do 99% of these corporation target with their goods? ALL OF US BENEFIT ,thats who.
That's funny. Why are they saying that the driving force of capitalism is profit and yet, capitalism is not that motive? Capitalism is the motive of a free-market. You can do anything you want besides force and fraud on businesses and individuals. Their talking about corporatism, with profit being the motive.
Capitalism is all about sink or swim on business merit. If you fail you sink; unless of course you are suddenly designated as being too big to fail in which case the government uses tax payers money to ensure that failure is not an option. It is a rigged game. If I bet on a horse and I lose, I lose. I don't pop down the social and say, 'Sorry bad call, I won't bet on that one again.' Thieves and sharks backed by and part of the government... Fascism!
Yes, and this "person" has to follow the spirit of Thomas Paine's - "Rights of Man" with exception of voting ofcourse. The Coproration could not trample on the rights of the workers/citizens or spoil the enivronment on the sake of profits. I totally accept its existence but also I want limits on the power of the corporations.
It's not longer about money, since they have most of it, Just look at the world economies, government and individuals are in the dumps (so to speak), yet giant baking cartels, investment firms are bailout, see record profits, etc. They want financial reform, world wide (what some call the NWO). This creates a unified world currency and finance governance under the control of the elites (those who run these corporations). As such, once this is achieved, they can control the masses.
@Idtelos A so called unsoverign world government. That might work. When people rebel against a totalitarian regime, it is usually against a sovereign nations government.
@Idtelos I don't know it seems that the NWO is a good idea imo. I mean it would help to just create one signle currency. To be controlled by one country or 2-3 people is stupid, but if you have an enourmous body looking over it then it would work well!
@MysticKevin10 How so? If you look at the richest countries in the world, they have contributed 95% to today;s science and technology. They are hardworking and intelligent people. They themselves have made their lives happier and safer. Others mite have failed to do so.
@MysticKevin10 Hey everyone is making a first world living in USA and EU. I object to your conclusion of no one being happy. Not all of us are equal with regards to intelligent, hard working ability. We are not machines, we are different from each other. So I dont think all of us shud have equal wealth. After all survival of the fittest is the nature's rule.
this documentary talks about the public good. but if we want to judge and evaluate corporations clearly and objectively, i think we ought to be precise with the terms we use, especially one so vague as "public good".
"To these people, there is no such thing as enough". For a moment, I thought Michael Moore was talking the government, then I remember he's a leftist shill.
A "Corporate Personhood" amendment may actually have a more profound impact than I previously imagined--the government carries out much of its business through a corporation. The corporation is named "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, " and has trademarked the name "THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT."
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Through the Soc Sec. System they have also created a corporate "YOU" (Read your SS Card). Legally speaking we never interact financially with the government--the two corporations interact.
Corporate "persons" have no morals, no ethics, and no conscience. Their only limitation is the LAW. Unfortunately the Supreme Court has decreed that corporations have the same Constitutional Rights as flesh and blood citizens. They then use these "rights" to make political donations and lobby Congress. They are even WRITING legislation and handing it to Congress for a rubber stamp!
We need a Constitutional Amendment to abolish "Corporate Personhood" and ban corporations from politics!
@wbaltzley "Corporate "persons" have no morals, no ethics, and no conscience. Their only limitation is the LAW. Unfortunately the Supreme Court has decreed that corporations have the same Constitutional Rights as flesh and blood citizens. They then use these "rights" to make political donations and lobby Congress. They are even WRITING legislation and handing it to Congress for a rubber stamp!"
True, and they are IMMORTAL. IMMORTALITY + GREED = BAD.
@jjrglobal First of all, let me be clear--Corporations are not EVIL, they are AMORAL. They are soulless entities governed by the dictates of their charters and held within the limitations of the law.
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The people who work in a corporation are merely cogs that carry out the orders in their contracts. Most CEO's are not evil, but every one of them is required to maximize profit at ANY cost--within the bounds of the law. If it is LEGAL and PROFITABLE then it must be done.
@wbaltzley, you've got this backwards. Persons are either natural or artificial entities. They always have been. This is nothing new. Look it up in Black's Law Dictionary 1st edition online.
Citizens are not flesh and blood. They are artificial persons just like corporations. Citizens are subjects. They are in a lower political class than the sovereigns who own the United States. Thus, citizens have no inalienable rights. Instead, they have government granted "civil" rights.
The Supreme Court decided 5-4 that a corporation, as a legal SINGLE ENTITY, can use great amounts of money to influence an ELECTION without their customers knowledge.
"Paper money has had the effect on your state that it will ever have,to ruin commerce,opress the honest,and open the door to every species of fraud and injustice." -George Washington
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Those were valid concerns, and they played a part in forming the monetary system. We had corrected for all those potential pitfalls, but lately the government has been moving away from healthy monetary production.
There's nothing wrong with cash. It is an easy and simple way to trade goods. It's a tool to assist us in our daily lives.
What's wrong with inequality? We're not supposed to have equality in the social or financial parts of society. Only the part where the law is concerned.
No no, I think we agree that equality under the law is a good thing, and the Constitution provides for it. That is, the law applies to everyone equally. Now, if there are laws that don't apply to everyone equally, or there are loopholes that exist, then I think we also agree that these should be fixed.
But the question is, what's wrong with inequality on the social or financial levels?
Are all ideas equal? Are all people equal? Are all jobs equal? No.
There is EVERYTHING wrong with it, but you'll have to step out of traditionalized, harmful thinking to see it. Capitalism is flawed by its very design, and there are solutions.....and the solutions lie within a social and economic system based on logic and the scientific method.
Don't say "everything". Give me one example of where financial inequality is flawed.
What's wrong with a person using his or her skills to earn a sum of money that they are satisfied with? What is wrong with them keeping what they earn?
How is it right to limit how much that skilled person can earn just so we can say he or she is EQUAL with someone less skilled?
Capitalism is the best economic system that logic and the scientific method have produced thus far.
One example is the fact that there are huge tax loopholes for the very wealthy, lending them to paying the same amount of taxes as a lower m.class in some instances. Who said ANYTHING about limiting the amount a person earns based on their skills?
You have to critique Capitalism neutrally and scientifically rather than couple it with your patriotism or think of it in a loving biased way b/c it puts food on our table.
It's a social and economic disaster with no foresight.
How are there huge tax loopholes for only wealthy people? Do these loopholes reduce in size and vanish the further down the income level you go?
Last I heard rich people paid the highest amount in taxes, up to 50%!
The only time they pay the same tax as low income earners is when they buy something from the store and pay sales tax.
Who said anything about limiting what someone earns? Those who push for equality. In order to make people equal financially you must restrict high earners.
Then unbrainwash me. So far you've said nothing of how Capitalism or inequality in the market are bad.
In fact I do not believe that social hierarchy is set in stone. Not in a free market capitalist system. In this system the rich can become poor if they make bad business decisions, and the poor can become rich if they work hard and make the right choices to improve their skills and knowledge.
Laws are put in place to protect the population, not to serve equality. Equality is anti-freedom.
Think about it. Financially and socially speaking, are you equal to someone who lives in an ally and eats out of garbage cans and begs people for change?
Of course not. I would imagine that you are more skilled and more educated. Therefore your status is greater than his.
Now what if I said that you had to be equal with him? I would have to limit your wages to that of his. I would also have to move him into your house.
You are indoctrinated. Think about this. You adhere to a system that was constructed by men with a primitive way of thinking long ago that became traditionalized.
That said, it's made up. A primitive construct. Therefore the "value" that you put on that person in an ally eating garbage is derived from a certain mindset.
Find your humanity. You've lost it. Human life is more valuable than made up status, stance.
That person is in the ally due to differential advantage, moron.
Why is it primitive, because it wasn't invented in the last 10 years? It's worked for centuries. What, were people who lived 100s of years ago not as smart back then? It became traditionalized because it works very well.
No the value I put on him is based on realism and logic. Only illogic would say that a non-productive person is equal to a productive one.
We aren't talking about human life. We're talking about individual value. How do you know him being in the ally isn't his own fault?
I challenge you to think for yourself and see that a system is a failure if it does not benefit ALL. Capitalism is set up to have losers in the dog eat dog schema of it, and socially it helps to promote the crime we all hate to live within. Wtf r you gonna do when 60% of criminals are non violent drug users? Capitalism promotes selling drugs. selling ANYTHING, to get ahead and "feed-the-greed. Drugs are propped up by our monetary culture. Our govt even sells them & your kids will be subjected
Well then in that case all systems fail, because you will ALWAYS have people who refuse to help themselves.
The question is, what system benefits the MOST people? History shows that the one that works best is the free market Capitalist system, because anyone who puts forth the effort to be productive WILL benefit.
Yes it's set up to have losers. But losers are just as important as winners because it is a profit and loss system. Loss discourages bad choices. Winning encourages good choices.
What are you, stupid? It's easier to mechanize labor now than it is to hire laborers in the U.S. It's just a matter of time before mechanization replaces human labor. There are not even enough jobs above minimum wage for everyone. Can you survive on minimum wage?
Does capitalism address this? NO. It's a failure, failure, failure. Again, understand the system and stop spewing the hate toward others who aren't fortunate enough to find a job so they can join the debt slavery. (sarcasm)
It's not easier in all circumstances. Mechanization will never replace human labor because machines break down and make errors. There will always be need for human minds and hands.
Not enough jobs above minimum wage? Blame government! They're the ones who raise the minimum wage after all.
I say abolish the minimum wage! That will create millions of jobs!
We can all survive below minimum wage. I could do it even better if government allowed me to keep more of what I earn.
Capitalism most certainly does address that. Abolish the minimum wage!
The reason people can't find a job is because employers are being forced to pay wages higher than what they can afford!
Thus, unskilled workers are unemployed because their skill level does not justify the pay of minimum wage. That's why I say, abolish the minimum wage and cut taxes for everyone so those unskilled workers can have jobs and keep more of what they earn in those jobs.
Watch this video for proof that the winner/loser system is good:
watch?v=SW86iE-ddaI
Capitalism does not promote crime. It fights it by providing a place where all people can benefit. As Ronald Reagan put it, a rising tide lifts all boats.
Capitalism does not promote drugs sales. It is simply a system. What we use it for is a different thing completely.
The drug war is fought by the government. If you have problems with it, then you should blame the government not the free market.
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Excuse me, but concern for human life is seperate from business. People can profit from the market and still be concerned about others. It's called charity. The best thing you can do in this case is have a system that profits people greatly. That way they are free to donate more of their money to charity.
There are also companies that donate to charities. Some do some don't. But then again some people do and some don't. So in fact the corporation is just like the legal person. Believe it!
Excuse me, but concern for human life is NOT separate from business. In fact, it is PROFIT that has trumped human concern.
For example(s):
It's more profitable to have TREATMENT for a disease than to cure it.
It is more profitable to extract resources and use cheap labor from 3rd world countries (exploit them) than to use domestic labor. End result: 3rd world is empoverished from this and we're without jobs.
It's impt to critique the system as it is rather than revel in denial.
Actually yeah it is. Business is about making money and profit. Concern for human life is a moral/social issue.
But it has not trumped concern for human life. It has allowed for that concern to turn to productive action. With more profit and wealth, a person has more power to help those who are less fortunate.
Yes it is more profitable to have treatment, but it is also very expensive to develop a cure. Thus, it is best to have more profits so that a cure can be funded.
Are you thick? They entertwine, do you not think people aren't affected socially by business? 95% of crime could be wiped off the face of the earth without business and the monetary system. It pits us against each other competing for primary needs and the highest achievement in business is monopolies and cartels. Yes, it's a social issue, b/c it breeds sociopaths. Business and its protocol are raping countries of their resources. You may not have noticed, but we live in a corportacracy.
Yes they are, but in a good way. When businesses open up they bring value to the area. Thus there is more revenue going into the area. They clean up their store fronts to look nice. Some even donate to community activities. Legitimate businesses don't hurt anyone.
Without business and the monetary system, 95% of society would be criminalistic. People would be stealing food and property from one another because there'd be no way to generate wealth. That's when we'd be competing for needs.
You're looking at it from the only aspect you see: it puts food on your table.
You have to critique it scientifically with the goal of how it affects the earths resources and the efficient use of them, how it affects us sociologically, and if it's the best system we could utilize for humanity.
It's not. There's a much, much better way, scientically.
Its basically like a pathogen in a human body, it kills the host without foresight of its own demise.
I am trying to critique it, but I can't find anything wrong with it.
The Earth's resources can and are being replenished. Trees grow back. Water is recycled. The carbon we produce is absorbed by the plants and used for photosynthesis. The system works.
The only resource we are running out of right now is gold, because there is a fixed amount of gold in the Earth and it requires special conditions it to be created, but the world won't end simply because gold dries up.
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I'm sorry to say it, and I haven't said anything derogatory to you thus far, but that statement of yours is absolutely retarded.
To say that a system that provides opportunity for all people to better their own lives is to blame for some people choosing to murder, rape, harm, steal, sell drugs, or commit fraud, is...
RETARDED!
And if that were the case, then why does crime exist everywhere else in the world where there are other systems in place?
You're logic is flawed. You refuse to address the "root causes" of the behavior. You're simply scratching the surface. The behavior is what our economic system produces. IF you have a system in place that's based on competition, you'll get the behavior. Incidentally, thats why we have the federal reserve stealing money from ALL of us, basically making us debt slaves.
I invite you to question what it is you're advocating and open your eyes to the obvious "failure" of this system.
You fail to prove that the root cause of the criminal is the free market system. Nothing about it or capitalism encourage anyone to commit crimes.
I am a part of the same system they are, yet I do not commit crimes, and that's despite the fact that there are people who are more skilled than I am.
Why don't you blame unemployment for crime? That would at least make some sense. But then again if you did that you'd have to blame government for regulating and taxing businesses to death.
Corporations are machines. So are banks. In other words, people are controlled by machines. Wrong way round isn't it?
aaronfromhastings 2 weeks ago 2
A corporation is a cult. A group of people that have an ideolgy, to make as much money that quarter.
wisefulone 1 month ago in playlist The Corporation (complete, chapters 1 to 23)
without morals...you can be easily 'made'..
edisonoside 1 month ago
then a person is a corporation..
edisonoside 1 month ago
If a Corporation was a "Person" you could murder it. If you are willing to spend the rest of your life in Prison you are free to kill any person you choose. It's a simple trade, your life for theirs. If Corporations were people someone who's child got cancer from a Dow chemical would be free to take a pistol and go "kill" Dow Chemical. After turning themselves in to authorities they might get 20 years in prison but Dow would be "dead"! It can't happen because Dow is NOT a person!
randy95023 1 month ago
Corporations are NOT people (despite what Mitt Romney and the Supreme Court says)! Scary that in the USA by the time you are 55 YOU are dependant on Corporations for most of your income. Check your IRA's, 401(k)'s, Mutual Funds and other retirement holdings. I'm 54 and have never made more than $60K in any one year by my labor. By this point in life some months I make more from my investments than I do from my 40hr JOB! I guess that means some months I'm a Capitalist & others a Worker...
randy95023 1 month ago
this video is racist... some of my best friends are corporations!
3x0rcyst3m 2 months ago
Want to make a change: move libertarian! Corporate rights are sanctioned by the state.
LogicalFlawDetector 2 months ago
lol Michael Moore. Big hypocrite right there. If you don't like money, donate yours. Why do you need the government to be your middle hand? Moron.
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art777forex 2 months ago
I have to say this is a jewel. Let's not only watch it, lets actually change. Not the world, but us as individuals. And that way we will be changing the world.
BreenSN 2 months ago
who is the guy in this not sir mark moody the guy with the cap? please tell meeee i need to know haha
mehappierthanu 3 months ago in playlist The Corporation (complete, chapters 1 to 23)
Nobody said the most famous corporations: Apple, Google,
Rao665 3 months ago
And the NWO loons are here, yaaaay
uninterestingentity 3 months ago
when did making money become bad?
fognog3 3 months ago
@fognog3 it isnt. youll find that people who dont have any tend to be more negative towards those who do.
MrRaymondBernard 2 months ago
@MrRaymondBernard well go out and make some. nobodies fault but your own.
fognog3 2 months ago
@fognog3 what the hell are you going on about? i make more now than i ever have. i was agreeing with you. go back and read the comments before you become a smartass.
MrRaymondBernard 2 months ago
Monsanto...GMOs
biggamerguy1 4 months ago
“There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class,
the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”
– Warren Buffett, Chairman and CEO of Berkshire Hathaway
cetnikz 5 months ago
youtube up Zeitgeist 3 Moving forward for the best possible solution :D
DoNotLaughAtMe 6 months ago
this info needs to be known, shared and disseminated but this doc has way to much filler and needless effects for me. bye.
MisterBouncyBounce 6 months ago
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arainade 6 months ago
@arainade
why do we need another "French Revolution"? Are you French? are you saying all the French in the world should revolt?
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STEVELANGMISTER 6 months ago
I think the definition of a corporation as a "legal person" should ring some bells in your head the next time you are in court. Know this, you as a human being are a separate entity than your "legal person". Otherwise the rationale behind the corporation as a living thing would be absurd. It isn't...but yet a corporation is a "legal person", something you are not...unless you choose to be. Hmm, that freeman on the land fella actually makes some good points.
bad4ever2001 6 months ago
@tatsumakisempyukaku
"What I find ironic, is that these guys are criticizing the profit motive. But then at the end of every clip, they're asking for money!"
And yet, they managed to do it WITHOUT DOING HARM. Way to miss the forest for the twig.
karinkdf 7 months ago in playlist The Corporation (complete, chapters 1 to 23)
@karinkdf what harm are you speaking of? Do you actually think that if they put this erroneous film up in theater across america that by some sort of magic that harm will befall ppl who pay to see it? What exactly is the matter with charging someone a fee that a consumer can freely and voluntarily accept to pay so as to see the film? the makers of the film get rewarded for thier 8 years of effort, the consumer gets to see what he wants. both parties win. capitalism is not a zero sum game ppl
tatsumakisempyukaku 6 months ago
Basically, corporations have been awarded all of the rights and privileges associated with personhood while having been relieved of all of the responsibility.
Recipe for disaster...
karinkdf 7 months ago in playlist The Corporation (complete, chapters 1 to 23)
When corporations are made to pay a fee or tax when they put pollution or otherwise harm the environment, they will try to do what benefits everyone in pursuit of higher profits. It's not really so much that they seek profit. The problem is that harmful activities are profitable. Pollution fees and fees on the taking of natural resources would be the best way of accounting for externalities. Depleting resources and putting pollution would be costly to industry. They would try to reduce / stop it
JohnChampagne 7 months ago
Watching this series on recommendation. Great documentary, tough question.
SA14253LI 7 months ago
Watch thie series on recommendation. Great documentary, tough question.
SA14253LI 7 months ago
Gotta love the guy at around 3:35 it's not all about the money some times we have to do nice things so people will give us their money. ROFL
bunkmasterflex 7 months ago
@JukeboxJunkie83 Abolition of Corporations and the State
ForAVoluntarySociety 8 months ago
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One of the best films I have ever seen. Too bad most Americans are too stupid to watch this movie. Then again we have become the society of the stupid.
tableconnect 8 months ago
I will say this. I do believe more that, along with a civil bill of rights, there should be an economic bill of rights. Moreover, if we can treat a corporation like a person, then why not the earth to some extent and set up an ecological bill of rights?
tatsumakisempyukaku 8 months ago
What I find ironic, is that these guys are criticizing the profit motive. But then at the end of every clip, they're asking for money! LOL. Had you just put ur movie in the theaters and marketed it, then I'm sure several million people would have watched it for a small sum and all your efforts of 8 years would have been rewarded handsomely.
tatsumakisempyukaku 8 months ago
@tatsumakisempyukaku Not a lot of people watched this for free. It took around 200 people to make and 8 years. You can't make assumptions about shit you don't know about. He is giving you precious information for FREE. If you don't like the way he is doing things then you can stop watching HIS film, OR he can charge you to watch his movie like other entertainment companies/corporations.
animelegacy 7 months ago
@animelegacy 1st of all, much of the info is wrong. for example in clip 4 they talk of externalities aka 3rd party effects. They propose this concept as if all 3rd party effects are negative. that is to say, that if u & i make a deal and do something the effects of our interaction towards other will have negative outcomes. However, this is false. There are countless externalities that have positive outcomes to ppl who were never involved in a given interaction. For example, if i fire proof my
tatsumakisempyukaku 6 months ago
if i fire proof my house, I pay the cost to a company that does the work on my home. You being my neighbor bear no cost to fire proofing my home, but all the while you benefit from my fire proofing my home because in the event that my home catches fire, that fire can be contained and not spread to your home. or my home may never catch fire and so you benefit. This corporation film is full of poorly thought out notions, noble though their intentions may be, but good intentions are over rated
tatsumakisempyukaku 6 months ago
@animelegacy lastly, what assumptions are you assuming that i'm assuming? i found it ironic that they criticize the profit motive, but in the final analysis they need profit, ergo, they ask for money. the only thing that can be said that i assumed is that this film was in theater at one time at some place where money was charged for ppl to see it. because i did assume, since they're asking for money, that they must have never put it in theater. .." ok kids. gtg
tatsumakisempyukaku 6 months ago
Chomsky - "Not a law of nature; a specific legal decision."
I'd be curious to know which decision/case that was. For anybody familiar with law out there, would you happen to know the X v. Y (or similar) of such a case somewhere in the US (preferably at the federal level)?
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wrrnlam 8 months ago
@JukeboxJunkie83 That's gonna be hard, cause the corporation seems to be Jesus Christ to most idiot out there
Mirani2 9 months ago
@JukeboxJunkie83 That's a paradox really, because the corporation is a legal entity and its powers are defined by the state. Not refuting you or saying something you don't already know, but it's interesting.
Trimbler00 9 months ago
@JukeboxJunkie83 As Mussolini the creater of Fascism explained about fascist economics: Fascism is corporatism--in the sense of a medieval guild unifying all aspects of society in favor of corporations in one guild--the merger of state and corporate power.
fistofthenorthstar89 10 months ago
Also, I'm going to pirate this somewhere else; I can't stand that "BUY MEEEE" ad in every video.
AndIRanSoFarAway 10 months ago
Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
AndIRanSoFarAway 10 months ago
Great info, making money online is the only way to do it.
TArgyle28 10 months ago
@JukeboxJunkie83 The state is the problem not the corporation
nero8289 11 months ago
1:08 YAY RICHMOND
OrMush 1 year ago
Anyone who can say Monsanto with a smile on their face makes me sick
PoisonRemedy321 1 year ago 20
@PoisonRemedy321 well I am one of those people.
nero8289 11 months ago
@PoisonRemedy321 They really give the GMO market a bad name, but yes I agree Monsanto is about as evil as they come.
vearheart42 11 months ago
@PoisonRemedy321
Monstanto :) now go die.
Rao665 3 months ago
"they have no soul. they have no conscience. they act in complete disregard for the community. they're just not like us!" are these the words of liberals talking about corporations or the words of racists talking about black people?
platypusrex256 1 year ago
@platypusrex256 It's no longer about the Liberals vs the Conservatives, it's Us vs Them. And if they have their way, and we have no say.
vearheart42 11 months ago
@vearheart42 i agree that it is US vs THEM but we have different ideas of who "they" are and we have different ideas of how to stop them. liberals think greed is bad. conservatives think the greed is good. libertarians think the government is enabling bad corporate behavior... what do you think?
platypusrex256 10 months ago
@vearheart42 when you say "us VS them and they have their way" you sound like an anti-feminist or something. its weird.
platypusrex256 10 months ago
As Hayek illustrates in 'The Road to Serfdom', however, 'The Public Good' is as much of an abstraction of a concept as 'The Bottom Line' is when mentioned along the lines of what the CEO of Royal Dutch Shell was explaining. What complicates things more so is the marriage of corporations and the State into monopolies.
MabusZero 1 year ago
money and power is already there. ultimately, what kills is the desire and greed for more power, profit and money. each person has a amount of money they are satisfied with. one who does not have a # for amount of money satisfaction is the destroyer, the most dangerous and evilest person
lp0715 1 year ago
What I want to know is, when will the corporations take over so that we loose our individuality altogether and ONLY the corporation citizens matter. When will peoples names not really matter any more and when will people be asking what do you do and who do you work for before they ask, what is your name and how are you?
geofftek 1 year ago
Damn.... I was hoping that this would be an informative, non-biased, explanation of the what the Corporation is. I was sadly disappointed.
Romeowasbleeding1 1 year ago
Getting annoying when the film producer is constantly pitching for a donation at the end of each clip...didn't they win 27 awards? You telling me someone didn't pay them off?
Amocee 1 year ago
@Amocee It annoys ME when people complain about free stuff. YT doesn't require us to pay money to watch vids that they're hosting on their servers that they DO have to pay money for. The people involved in making this documentary had expenses, most of which were probably paid for out of their own pockets - some of that money earned by working for the very corporations that they're speaking against. Some of the money was probably gained through loans or gifted to them. Don't be so quick to judge!
vclxrr 1 year ago
@vclxrr You have to admit after every other segment it gets Annoying...I have no problem if they throw a donate pitch at the begin or end of the film...but after everyother clip come on? And by the way I make films myself and Don't ask ppl to donate anything...why...because if my intention is to sell a product I WON'T ADVERTISE IT FOR FREE...it is more important to make something with a MESSAGE instead of using high tech movie making equpment...
Amocee 1 year ago
@Amocee Alright, i can agree with what you're saying. (And i glanced at your channel. Props to you for your work.) But i think they included the ad at the end of each segment in case someone doesn't watch the whole thing. (Yes, i know that seems silly - if you're going to watch the whole thing, then you don't need the constant reminder to donate. And if you're not going to watch the whole thing, why would you bother donating.) People also report being annoyed by the Wikipedia banner. ...
vclxrr 1 year ago
@Amocee ... And there are reports that the banner actually reduces donations.
Still, Mark Akbar did say that this is the "shareware" version of the film. And in true shareware fashion, we have the constant request for cash donations poping up. I will concede that the ads DO get annoying after awhile, but i skip past them. So i hear you. But i'm constantly seeing ppl complaining about the fact that YT has ads now. Nobody wants to watch them, but we all want our free vids. *shrug*
vclxrr 1 year ago
@Amocee Gave you thumbs up. =D
vclxrr 1 year ago
@Amocee I'll say also, that i guess another thing that rubbed me the wrong way about your original comment was the idea that because they won awards, someone "paid them off". Maybe you didn't mean it perjoratively, and i just took it the wrong way. But still.
vclxrr 1 year ago
@vclxrr Thanks for understanding...feel free to watch FOR FREE all the vids on my channel...pls leave feedback as well "good" or "bad"...
Amocee 1 year ago
Noam is the man
lebiew 1 year ago
The majority of corp contributions go to the Democratic party - pure corruption.
derekHSmith 1 year ago
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SpamAnn 1 year ago
after seeing micheal moore in this film i wont watch the rest -the guy is a leech
zaracof 1 year ago 2
@zaracof : why do you say that?
SpamAnn 1 year ago
@SpamAnn nothing personal Ann but I have just noticed how self serving the man is over the years and he makes my skin crawl - no big deal just a turn off- you never get that with someone?
zaracof 1 year ago
@zaracof no, I look at what made people the way they are. No one gets a certain way just on accident, we are all programmed
SpamAnn 1 year ago
STUPID LLC>> Limited liability Corp.
lisakaylanemorris 1 year ago
Sorry. rule 1 of economics is corporations must put profits first. well the PR is just a means for corporations to operate without society frowning upon it.
catch22af 1 year ago
I support this film! I could never find it for sale so I rented it many times, and was DELIGHTED to find it on Netflix. I find some new piece of information every time I watch it. The Corporation should be MANDATORY viewing in schools across North America. Great, great, great, phenomenal job.
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bridgetteWeaverarka 1 year ago
@JukeboxJunkie83 That's not a good idea. Without corporations you can't correct a democracy once it has gotten out of control: watch?v=BBezaI0bnAQ&
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@JohananRaatz It's the people who correct a democrac;y...for the people, by the people....remember?
mollycanadian 1 year ago
@mollycanadian And what if the people become corrupt? There's a good video I think you should watch on Plato's assessment of democracy: watch?v=K0Z7eDaaNlY
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
How to correct a democracy once it has gotten out of control: watch?v=BBezaI0bnAQ&
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
WHOA at 1:10 to like 1:20 is richmond BC, where I live!
Nexarla 1 year ago
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elatedworker0 1 year ago
We need to remember why we invented the term "Vicarious Liability" Hold the CEO's feet to the fire when they get out of hand.
Tonkadude1001 1 year ago
if not for capital we in the usa would be a 3rd world country. monopolies dont ever work w/o governments help . the people and the gov are the problems not the corps.
true free markets would never allow monopolies to strive ,as long as the robbers and murderers (governments) stayed in their parameters ,the constitution,the law.
dont blame the victims blame the responsible parties.
Who do 99% of these corporation target with their goods? ALL OF US BENEFIT ,thats who.
more goods the cheaper for U
blowbackinevitable 1 year ago
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@blowbackinevitable
"monopolies dont ever work w/o governments help.."
Please explain to me how that works. I can explain the opposite to you.
And who else says that? Please post a link.
allgoo19 1 year ago
Oh, no, it's not just about money. It's about sustainable money--creating a persona that will get you money indefinitely.
yuzutapo 1 year ago
if corporations weren't considered legal persons, think how hard it would be to sue them.
goPistons06 1 year ago
"... we need to be SEEN as constructive members of society" Exactly, it's all about image.
phantomofmyopera 1 year ago
just saying: "those old 50's propaganda films piss me off. im thinking shit "people actually had to listen to these lies and actually BELIEVED them."
FutureKnut 1 year ago
Noam Chomp is the man. The smartest man living. Oh yeah, anyone reading this post is part of the corporation. Since birth (cert) you are a number.
lebiew 1 year ago
That's funny. Why are they saying that the driving force of capitalism is profit and yet, capitalism is not that motive? Capitalism is the motive of a free-market. You can do anything you want besides force and fraud on businesses and individuals. Their talking about corporatism, with profit being the motive.
Denon3333 1 year ago
Capitalism is all about sink or swim on business merit. If you fail you sink; unless of course you are suddenly designated as being too big to fail in which case the government uses tax payers money to ensure that failure is not an option. It is a rigged game. If I bet on a horse and I lose, I lose. I don't pop down the social and say, 'Sorry bad call, I won't bet on that one again.' Thieves and sharks backed by and part of the government... Fascism!
thufer50 1 year ago
PEOPLE WAKE UP STOP FOLLOWING THE REST OF THE SHEEP U ARE SO MUCH MORE THAN U UNDERSTAND PEACE
cashfan123 1 year ago
Yes, and this "person" has to follow the spirit of Thomas Paine's - "Rights of Man" with exception of voting ofcourse. The Coproration could not trample on the rights of the workers/citizens or spoil the enivronment on the sake of profits. I totally accept its existence but also I want limits on the power of the corporations.
cris750 1 year ago
"Monsanto... Immaculately dressed!" I cannot hear those words and keep a straight face.
TBonne29 1 year ago
3:26 Prepare for BS!!! fucking CEO pigs... All corporations=Roman Empire.
MagnitudePerson 1 year ago
It's not longer about money, since they have most of it, Just look at the world economies, government and individuals are in the dumps (so to speak), yet giant baking cartels, investment firms are bailout, see record profits, etc. They want financial reform, world wide (what some call the NWO). This creates a unified world currency and finance governance under the control of the elites (those who run these corporations). As such, once this is achieved, they can control the masses.
Idtelos 1 year ago 27
@Idtelos A so called unsoverign world government. That might work. When people rebel against a totalitarian regime, it is usually against a sovereign nations government.
RainbowManification 1 year ago
@Idtelos I don't know it seems that the NWO is a good idea imo. I mean it would help to just create one signle currency. To be controlled by one country or 2-3 people is stupid, but if you have an enourmous body looking over it then it would work well!
Losuol 1 year ago
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doooobies332 1 year ago
Want to end this?
MOVE LEFT!!
doooobies332 1 year ago
@doooobies332
Then well get governments treading on us the same way. We need a mixed economy again.
Reido2828 1 month ago
@doooobies332 Come again monkey?
chvyant 2 weeks ago
@MysticKevin10 How so? If you look at the richest countries in the world, they have contributed 95% to today;s science and technology. They are hardworking and intelligent people. They themselves have made their lives happier and safer. Others mite have failed to do so.
agentsback 1 year ago
@MysticKevin10 Hey everyone is making a first world living in USA and EU. I object to your conclusion of no one being happy. Not all of us are equal with regards to intelligent, hard working ability. We are not machines, we are different from each other. So I dont think all of us shud have equal wealth. After all survival of the fittest is the nature's rule.
agentsback 1 year ago
@MysticKevin10 As opposed to communism, where everyone is happy, wealthy and allowed to express their opinion.
agentsback 1 year ago
Corporations rule!
agentsback 1 year ago
this documentary talks about the public good. but if we want to judge and evaluate corporations clearly and objectively, i think we ought to be precise with the terms we use, especially one so vague as "public good".
goPistons06 1 year ago
"To these people, there is no such thing as enough". For a moment, I thought Michael Moore was talking the government, then I remember he's a leftist shill.
CrossoverManiac 1 year ago
If a CORPORATION is a PERSON then a PERSON is a CORPORATION.
CORPORATION = PERSON
PERSON = CORPORATION
See more on this Youtube "John Harris its an illusion"
texme 1 year ago
Hi just wondering (this might sound a bit dumb) is this video a published material? Need to know for assignment thanks
kawai03 1 year ago
did that moron actually call the Body Shop deceptive!!?? I think i could fly over to her right now and slap her in the face!!
MisterMcMODRAY 1 year ago
A "Corporate Personhood" amendment may actually have a more profound impact than I previously imagined--the government carries out much of its business through a corporation. The corporation is named "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, " and has trademarked the name "THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT."
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Through the Soc Sec. System they have also created a corporate "YOU" (Read your SS Card). Legally speaking we never interact financially with the government--the two corporations interact.
wbaltzley 1 year ago
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I don't follow.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
Noam Chompsky was the man
burnpoi86 1 year ago
Worst narrator choice ever.
peteb1313 1 year ago 2
i love michael moore
cambent 1 year ago
Corporate "persons" have no morals, no ethics, and no conscience. Their only limitation is the LAW. Unfortunately the Supreme Court has decreed that corporations have the same Constitutional Rights as flesh and blood citizens. They then use these "rights" to make political donations and lobby Congress. They are even WRITING legislation and handing it to Congress for a rubber stamp!
We need a Constitutional Amendment to abolish "Corporate Personhood" and ban corporations from politics!
wbaltzley 1 year ago 31
@wbaltzley "Corporate "persons" have no morals, no ethics, and no conscience. Their only limitation is the LAW. Unfortunately the Supreme Court has decreed that corporations have the same Constitutional Rights as flesh and blood citizens. They then use these "rights" to make political donations and lobby Congress. They are even WRITING legislation and handing it to Congress for a rubber stamp!"
True, and they are IMMORTAL. IMMORTALITY + GREED = BAD.
joescarafone 1 year ago
@wbaltzley
Who are these evil corporations you speak of? Give me some names
jjrglobal 1 year ago
@jjrglobal First of all, let me be clear--Corporations are not EVIL, they are AMORAL. They are soulless entities governed by the dictates of their charters and held within the limitations of the law.
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The people who work in a corporation are merely cogs that carry out the orders in their contracts. Most CEO's are not evil, but every one of them is required to maximize profit at ANY cost--within the bounds of the law. If it is LEGAL and PROFITABLE then it must be done.
wbaltzley 1 year ago
@wbaltzley, you've got this backwards. Persons are either natural or artificial entities. They always have been. This is nothing new. Look it up in Black's Law Dictionary 1st edition online.
Citizens are not flesh and blood. They are artificial persons just like corporations. Citizens are subjects. They are in a lower political class than the sovereigns who own the United States. Thus, citizens have no inalienable rights. Instead, they have government granted "civil" rights.
newgtguy 1 year ago
lulz at the stereotypical ignorant black guy at 2:42
NeroMustDie15 1 year ago
PAUSE AT 1:35 W00T W00T
cheeseboy34 1 year ago
People i.e. men and women are not "persons"
Fight4Privacy 1 year ago
The Supreme Court decided 5-4 that a corporation, as a legal SINGLE ENTITY, can use great amounts of money to influence an ELECTION without their customers knowledge.
10231898 1 year ago 2
"Paper money has had the effect on your state that it will ever have,to ruin commerce,opress the honest,and open the door to every species of fraud and injustice." -George Washington
aliczrabbit 1 year ago
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Those were valid concerns, and they played a part in forming the monetary system. We had corrected for all those potential pitfalls, but lately the government has been moving away from healthy monetary production.
There's nothing wrong with cash. It is an easy and simple way to trade goods. It's a tool to assist us in our daily lives.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
3rd post and it's not showing up
blaziermissy 1 year ago
Simply put, a corporation is a form of social hierarchy...which is inequality, if you apply common, logical sense.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
What's wrong with inequality? We're not supposed to have equality in the social or financial parts of society. Only the part where the law is concerned.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
if you don't know what's wrong with equality, I can't explain it to you.
Also, there are plenty of laws and loopholes in laws that are NOT equal.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
Correction: If you don't know what's wrong with INequality, I can't explain it to you...
blaziermissy 1 year ago
No no, I think we agree that equality under the law is a good thing, and the Constitution provides for it. That is, the law applies to everyone equally. Now, if there are laws that don't apply to everyone equally, or there are loopholes that exist, then I think we also agree that these should be fixed.
But the question is, what's wrong with inequality on the social or financial levels?
Are all ideas equal? Are all people equal? Are all jobs equal? No.
So what's the problem?
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
There is EVERYTHING wrong with it, but you'll have to step out of traditionalized, harmful thinking to see it. Capitalism is flawed by its very design, and there are solutions.....and the solutions lie within a social and economic system based on logic and the scientific method.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
Don't say "everything". Give me one example of where financial inequality is flawed.
What's wrong with a person using his or her skills to earn a sum of money that they are satisfied with? What is wrong with them keeping what they earn?
How is it right to limit how much that skilled person can earn just so we can say he or she is EQUAL with someone less skilled?
Capitalism is the best economic system that logic and the scientific method have produced thus far.
watch?v=2j7p8GB_W78
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
One example is the fact that there are huge tax loopholes for the very wealthy, lending them to paying the same amount of taxes as a lower m.class in some instances. Who said ANYTHING about limiting the amount a person earns based on their skills?
You have to critique Capitalism neutrally and scientifically rather than couple it with your patriotism or think of it in a loving biased way b/c it puts food on our table.
It's a social and economic disaster with no foresight.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
How are there huge tax loopholes for only wealthy people? Do these loopholes reduce in size and vanish the further down the income level you go?
Last I heard rich people paid the highest amount in taxes, up to 50%!
The only time they pay the same tax as low income earners is when they buy something from the store and pay sales tax.
Who said anything about limiting what someone earns? Those who push for equality. In order to make people equal financially you must restrict high earners.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
LOL! You're brainwashed...you actually believe social hierarchy is set in stone and you actually think laws are put in place to serve all equally.
It's going to be a rude awakening for you one day.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
Then unbrainwash me. So far you've said nothing of how Capitalism or inequality in the market are bad.
In fact I do not believe that social hierarchy is set in stone. Not in a free market capitalist system. In this system the rich can become poor if they make bad business decisions, and the poor can become rich if they work hard and make the right choices to improve their skills and knowledge.
Laws are put in place to protect the population, not to serve equality. Equality is anti-freedom.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
Equality is antifreedom?
I want you to read that again and tell me you aren't indoctrinated. Similarly does war mean peace? Slavery mean freedom?
Got logic?
blaziermissy 1 year ago
I'm not indoctrinated.
Think about it. Financially and socially speaking, are you equal to someone who lives in an ally and eats out of garbage cans and begs people for change?
Of course not. I would imagine that you are more skilled and more educated. Therefore your status is greater than his.
Now what if I said that you had to be equal with him? I would have to limit your wages to that of his. I would also have to move him into your house.
Thus you have equality, but not freedom.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
You are indoctrinated. Think about this. You adhere to a system that was constructed by men with a primitive way of thinking long ago that became traditionalized.
That said, it's made up. A primitive construct. Therefore the "value" that you put on that person in an ally eating garbage is derived from a certain mindset.
Find your humanity. You've lost it. Human life is more valuable than made up status, stance.
That person is in the ally due to differential advantage, moron.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
Why is it primitive, because it wasn't invented in the last 10 years? It's worked for centuries. What, were people who lived 100s of years ago not as smart back then? It became traditionalized because it works very well.
No the value I put on him is based on realism and logic. Only illogic would say that a non-productive person is equal to a productive one.
We aren't talking about human life. We're talking about individual value. How do you know him being in the ally isn't his own fault?
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
I challenge you to think for yourself and see that a system is a failure if it does not benefit ALL. Capitalism is set up to have losers in the dog eat dog schema of it, and socially it helps to promote the crime we all hate to live within. Wtf r you gonna do when 60% of criminals are non violent drug users? Capitalism promotes selling drugs. selling ANYTHING, to get ahead and "feed-the-greed. Drugs are propped up by our monetary culture. Our govt even sells them & your kids will be subjected
blaziermissy 1 year ago
Well then in that case all systems fail, because you will ALWAYS have people who refuse to help themselves.
The question is, what system benefits the MOST people? History shows that the one that works best is the free market Capitalist system, because anyone who puts forth the effort to be productive WILL benefit.
Yes it's set up to have losers. But losers are just as important as winners because it is a profit and loss system. Loss discourages bad choices. Winning encourages good choices.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
What are you, stupid? It's easier to mechanize labor now than it is to hire laborers in the U.S. It's just a matter of time before mechanization replaces human labor. There are not even enough jobs above minimum wage for everyone. Can you survive on minimum wage?
Does capitalism address this? NO. It's a failure, failure, failure. Again, understand the system and stop spewing the hate toward others who aren't fortunate enough to find a job so they can join the debt slavery. (sarcasm)
blaziermissy 1 year ago
It's not easier in all circumstances. Mechanization will never replace human labor because machines break down and make errors. There will always be need for human minds and hands.
Not enough jobs above minimum wage? Blame government! They're the ones who raise the minimum wage after all.
I say abolish the minimum wage! That will create millions of jobs!
We can all survive below minimum wage. I could do it even better if government allowed me to keep more of what I earn.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
Capitalism most certainly does address that. Abolish the minimum wage!
The reason people can't find a job is because employers are being forced to pay wages higher than what they can afford!
Thus, unskilled workers are unemployed because their skill level does not justify the pay of minimum wage. That's why I say, abolish the minimum wage and cut taxes for everyone so those unskilled workers can have jobs and keep more of what they earn in those jobs.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
Watch this video for proof that the winner/loser system is good:
watch?v=SW86iE-ddaI
Capitalism does not promote crime. It fights it by providing a place where all people can benefit. As Ronald Reagan put it, a rising tide lifts all boats.
Capitalism does not promote drugs sales. It is simply a system. What we use it for is a different thing completely.
The drug war is fought by the government. If you have problems with it, then you should blame the government not the free market.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
Did you actually "listen" to this video? IF you can rebuttle with morality and innate human value, let me know.
Concern for human life has been trumped by profit, and don't think for one minute your life and your family won't be affected by it. THINK.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
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Excuse me, but concern for human life is seperate from business. People can profit from the market and still be concerned about others. It's called charity. The best thing you can do in this case is have a system that profits people greatly. That way they are free to donate more of their money to charity.
There are also companies that donate to charities. Some do some don't. But then again some people do and some don't. So in fact the corporation is just like the legal person. Believe it!
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
Excuse me, but concern for human life is NOT separate from business. In fact, it is PROFIT that has trumped human concern.
For example(s):
It's more profitable to have TREATMENT for a disease than to cure it.
It is more profitable to extract resources and use cheap labor from 3rd world countries (exploit them) than to use domestic labor. End result: 3rd world is empoverished from this and we're without jobs.
It's impt to critique the system as it is rather than revel in denial.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
Actually yeah it is. Business is about making money and profit. Concern for human life is a moral/social issue.
But it has not trumped concern for human life. It has allowed for that concern to turn to productive action. With more profit and wealth, a person has more power to help those who are less fortunate.
Yes it is more profitable to have treatment, but it is also very expensive to develop a cure. Thus, it is best to have more profits so that a cure can be funded.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
Are you thick? They entertwine, do you not think people aren't affected socially by business? 95% of crime could be wiped off the face of the earth without business and the monetary system. It pits us against each other competing for primary needs and the highest achievement in business is monopolies and cartels. Yes, it's a social issue, b/c it breeds sociopaths. Business and its protocol are raping countries of their resources. You may not have noticed, but we live in a corportacracy.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
Yes they are, but in a good way. When businesses open up they bring value to the area. Thus there is more revenue going into the area. They clean up their store fronts to look nice. Some even donate to community activities. Legitimate businesses don't hurt anyone.
Without business and the monetary system, 95% of society would be criminalistic. People would be stealing food and property from one another because there'd be no way to generate wealth. That's when we'd be competing for needs.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
You're looking at it from the only aspect you see: it puts food on your table.
You have to critique it scientifically with the goal of how it affects the earths resources and the efficient use of them, how it affects us sociologically, and if it's the best system we could utilize for humanity.
It's not. There's a much, much better way, scientically.
Its basically like a pathogen in a human body, it kills the host without foresight of its own demise.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
I am trying to critique it, but I can't find anything wrong with it.
The Earth's resources can and are being replenished. Trees grow back. Water is recycled. The carbon we produce is absorbed by the plants and used for photosynthesis. The system works.
The only resource we are running out of right now is gold, because there is a fixed amount of gold in the Earth and it requires special conditions it to be created, but the world won't end simply because gold dries up.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
AGAIN, 95% of people behind bars is indirectly due to our economic system, which creates the behavior by its very design.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
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I'm sorry to say it, and I haven't said anything derogatory to you thus far, but that statement of yours is absolutely retarded.
To say that a system that provides opportunity for all people to better their own lives is to blame for some people choosing to murder, rape, harm, steal, sell drugs, or commit fraud, is...
RETARDED!
And if that were the case, then why does crime exist everywhere else in the world where there are other systems in place?
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
You're logic is flawed. You refuse to address the "root causes" of the behavior. You're simply scratching the surface. The behavior is what our economic system produces. IF you have a system in place that's based on competition, you'll get the behavior. Incidentally, thats why we have the federal reserve stealing money from ALL of us, basically making us debt slaves.
I invite you to question what it is you're advocating and open your eyes to the obvious "failure" of this system.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
You fail to prove that the root cause of the criminal is the free market system. Nothing about it or capitalism encourage anyone to commit crimes.
I am a part of the same system they are, yet I do not commit crimes, and that's despite the fact that there are people who are more skilled than I am.
Why don't you blame unemployment for crime? That would at least make some sense. But then again if you did that you'd have to blame government for regulating and taxing businesses to death.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
There is no free market system. It's monopolized.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
So there's no free market system, yet it is responsible for all the crime in the world? How does that work?
And what's monopolized? You can't monopolize every aspect of the economy unless you have a tyranical disctatorship impossing socialism on the nation.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
What the Fed does has nothing to do with free market capitalism. That has everything to do with politics, and the law.
You have a problem with government? Great. I have a lot of them. But don't blame the free market for the government's problems.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago