Rand Paul "I Would Argue That We Don't Have Capitalism In Health Care Now! pt.3

[Navywxman]

@d3ltadrive Wait I thought you were done with me? Making claims of me doesn't make them true by the way. Everything I said before is true, what you mentioned is one of many power grabs by capitalists. Of course they did those moves, that's what wealth and power does and it was the capitalist bought politicians that played their part in it. Life wasn't great before or after that for most, the game was always rigged. plus what business wants to compete? how about none! lol

[Navywxman]

@d3ltadrive I know all about the Federal Reserve act and yes, that is business and capitalism seeking more profit and power, that is what capital and those with it do. Any thought that all was peachy before that would be insane. Business and the banks already ran government, were exploiting people, corrupting policy, the media, you name it! Life was hard for most, brutal, and Libertarians promote the rollback that allowed exploitation. fantasy fiction is not an answer to todays problems

[Navywxman]

@d3ltadrive I think you are mistaken therefore I don't know anything and I'm an idiot, lol ok. Sorry but life for most most brutal, business corruption and exploitation of people was rampant, there never was or could ever be free markets or the equally delusional "pure capitalism" I always hear from Libertarians. It is all fantasy fiction. Business, wealth and power always corrupt to get more for themselves, the inevitable result of that is corporatism and they won't stop there. you poor fella

[Navywxman]

@d3ltadrive go learn history blah blah, the same innate responses, they get old. Business wasn't good before that. Life wasn't wonderful before that, corruption was rampant, business exploited, and that is the nature of capitalism. Capitalists got what they wanted and corporatism is a natural offspring from it. If it was undone they would do it all over again. business being good or free markets is pure Libertarian delusions. Sorry but truth can hurt sometimes.

[residentzombie]

The 3% rich still exist in socialism, but socialism produces no middle class.

[LedZeppelin24601]

hahaha the guy who calls in right around 2 minutes is very entertaining even though he's a moron 

[animebondagfan]

go rand paul and win this race he sounded great to me hope he can get in there..

[Gedackt16]

Seriously...what is wrong with some of these callers. They all possess no means to express points and ask questions without sounding irate, threatening, or extremely uneducated. Is this the electorate we live with??

[JamesBlakeWilliams]

Navywxman, you are the biggest joke and looser I have ever come across, anywhere in the world where capitalism is absent, it is chaos, you are no economist, and you only look at the short term. You are struggling in your arguing, because history, economics, common sense is against you. You are loosing, you are brainwashed my the Obama administration! The evidence and truth is all against you, go live in your silly socialist utopia on some island, you don't belong in America!

[Navywxman]

@JamesBlakeWilliams <---- lmao@u, coo coo

[JamesBlakeWilliams]

Bravo Rand Paul, I hate the fact that many of the callers were very rude and can't understand why capitalism is better than socialism, but Rand always knows how to talk to people no matter how anyone delivers a statement or question.

[yasuynnuf1947]

People in US don't know how good we have it here. Travel the world, you will know what I mean.

[Davebierman]

I'm not a cell phone; I'm not a TV; I can work on my own!!!!!

[controlpopulation]

the problem is people are fricken cheap. They think someone else should pay for a $120 doctor visit instead of paying it out of their own pocket. I agree with Dr. Paul, everyone should get catastrophic health insurance and have higher deductibles so pricing for smaller treatments decrease in price through competition. Prime example is lasic surgery.

Another problem is most Americans have been brainwashed into thinking we have had capitalism for the last 30 years. Fact is, we haven't.

[ronpaulspanish]

AWESOME!!

[rumin69]

I would just give up.  Americans are just to stupid to reason to as you could tell by the statements and questions asked to Rand Paul. Wow! I give up. Reason is no longer an option. Those who have tried to control us have succeeded in grand fashion. Here is someone telling the truth and your to ignorant to realize. I'm moving to a small island. Idiots!

[psychawareness]

Why do all of the old ladies who call CSPAN sound the same?

[fireteamforfreedom]

the word capitalism has been so corrupted that we might as well use swiss cheese instead. Just from the callers alone, they used capitalism to describe many things which isn't capitalism.

Unfortunately government has run our school systems long enough that ignorance abounds...

[ch1kusoo]

yeah democrats are always up people's assholes

[herzogsbuick]

hu hu hu hu

[asphyxiafeeling]

not even done watching the video but gotta comment on the funny guy who comes in at 2:30... OMG LOL

[joes805]

people need to realize that PAUL is NOT a TYPICAL Republican ....

[lizolivit]

Indeed - and thank GOD (/Flying Spaghetti Monster).

[robrigo80]

I fear that too many americans are much too dumb to understand Rand's message. Take the caller who spoke of Capitalism as a failure, or the other caller who envoked the race card. These people will just never get it because they are not smart enough.

[Fountainhead83]

Indeed, capitalism is such a failure that even the poorest, least educated and non-productive among us have computers, internet, TV, phone service and food... Try visiting a socialist nation every once in a while and see what the living conditions of places are produced by those policies. Mass poverty, starvation, and limited political freedom is a feature of socialism, not Capitalism, which brought so much wealth idiots like these can live quite well.

[Fountainhead83]

These callers are impossibly stupid.

[jeruon]

No ten syllables have even been more true. Sort of makes one think that there is not political solution to our current problems because the will of the majority (these people) is impossible to overcome without some sort of mass education or, dare I say, mass exodus of productive people? Maybe we can find a place up in the rocky mountains to start over with the only requirement to acceptance being the some sort of oath relating to the initiation of force.

[Fountainhead83]

Eh... Screw the Rockies. Let's just fine a nice secluded island instead.

[jeruon]

I actually wouldn't like the Rockies either as it is too cold. I was just making an obscure reference to Atlas Shrugged and hoping you would pick it up. I failed at humor :(

[Fountainhead83]

Nah, I got it... Just sayin... She should have picked some place warmer and less barren.

[btbblack]

Wow, no wonder our leadership is so currupt. If the callers on this show are any indicator of the intelligence of our nation... We are in big trouble. Many of the comments on this video are also completely missing the point. Government involvement has led to our current failed system. More government involvement is not the answer. All this inspite of the fact that government run healthcare is completely unconstitutional and robs from me to take care of you.

[tcolgan001]

Does this guy invent his data as he goes along?

Bill Gates born middle class? Bull-shit, his father was a millionaire. Currently one worker to one retireree? Another made up statistic. The current number is three workers to one retiree. This guy needs to get educated.

[SteveBKNY]

I used to work in many hospitals.. And i can tell you first hand.. the amount of waste and money thrown around because of lack of competition is insane! My boss used to pay people to get hospital contracts that were so lucrative they would make u drool.. We used to charge insane prices for our services and no one blinked an eye. Dr Paul is correct when he says that the lack of competition is the reason healthcare is so expensive.. The tricky part is in how to implement capitalism into the system

[marniespeaks]

why play the USSR card?

That's propaganda in itself the USSR was corrupt and full of cronyism - not any different than large US corporations and big banks today.

Rand is being disingenuous - irresponsible - he's using the GOP lying play book in his comparison of the poor

again with the life insurance plan ... he's encouraging red lining -

want real competition, allow the Chinese to sell health care to Americans - watch the GOP freak out on that one

[marniespeaks]

Can't protect one group without allowing the other same recourse.

Service industry - Call some based on quality and some based on price that's class warfare - it's protecting the elite

Wen he's in congress he'll get full care

Ask hm and his dad to refuse tax payer government health care now - practice what you preach!

[fisharmor]

Actually, regarding his dad practicing what he preaches... it's well known that he doesn't participate in the house retirement plan. So yes, he does practice what he preaches.

[marniespeaks]

He does take the tax payer government health care

[marniespeaks]

don't you know the difference between health care and a pension?

further, he should run as a Libertarian not as a Republican, that's not standing on principles or practicing what you preach.

[Invirtuo]

He's just tacitly supported Social Security and Medicare, which is a Republican not a Libertarian position

[marniespeaks]

let's be honest here - He's even admitted he hangs out with the republicans because no other party can get him elected - he said it all throughout his presidential campaign

[sammiann777]

As far as his USSR statement goes he said that it backfired when the socialist tried to condemn capitalism because even the poorest families in the run down building had a better standard of living under capitalism than they did under socialism. Even the Russians are more capitalist than Americans now. So please get your facts strait and stop lying. You Lie!

[sammiann777]

Its well known that Dr. Ron Paul dose not participate in the government health care plan nor the lucrative pension plan out of principle.  Don't lie on the internet, everything is easily verifiable to those with a moderate IQ. As far as his

[marniespeaks]

I called his office and ask - he takes the tax payer public health care and even admited this on CNN and CSPAN

apparently you would rather trust nut job hearsay instead of getting the facts from the source -

typical.

[Mechanized0]

The individual criticizing what he believes to be capitalism unfortunately suffers from complete economically illiteracy. One would do well to study the subject.

[Navywxman]

Leo - Pure capitalism is not a real possibility and putting a religious like faith into it wont change that.

[SaintEntreri]

Love to see some data on THAT ridiculous presumption, but there is none to back it up. Any attacks erroneously directed at "capitalism" are indictments of the systems used in this country that are not capitalistic.

[gold95]

Unfortunately he comes off as a regular Republican candidate. He needs to spend more time rebuking the Republican party and set him apart form the Neo conservatives.

His message needs to be: I am NOT a regular Republican.

Some of the callers are morons..

[summacruzlaude]

Gosh, I just love Rand Paul's answer to the loud obnoxious American at between 3:00-4:00...

[VinnyBarbarino29]

Yeah, we all think we are so poor untill we look at the rest of the world. Rand is deffinately worthy of the senate.

[RpKingman]

I thought the a*shole comment was pretty funny!

[summacruzlaude]

Why because he swore?

[DNATS]

man RAN PAUL is a GREAT DEBATER!

[summacruzlaude]

agreed... he responded to each and every question intelligently, and kept his composure under some heat from some boisterous americans. He's very reminscent of RON Paul.

[guitarland]

navywxman, you should read some books and educate yourself. You sound like you have worked hard, and been burned, but simply do not understand the difference between philosophies. We do NOT have true Capitalism and that is a large part of our problem.

[Navywxman]

guitar - Ahh the classic Libertarian cop-out. That cop-out being, 'since you dont agree with me and actually point out flaws in my ideology I'm going to tell you to read some books and get educated.'

The real difference between us is I am not blinded by ideology. I have already said we dont have 'pure' capitalism so no need to repeat what I've already said. But what I also said is that there never was or could be pure capitalism, it is a fiction. So why suffer over a fiction.

[jvittetoe]

Why is it fiction? Pure capitalism has never existed, as you point out, but the closest we have even been to it was right here in this country from about 1700-1900.

Now, lets see if you can answer this. When free people are left free from dictation, what happened from 1700-1900?

[Navywxman]

jv - That time period was probably the closest to it though it still wasnt but overall it was a miserable life for most.

Feudal and economic interests were dominant, working conditions were brutal, child labor was norm, slavery too during most of that period, no decent wages, no sick leave, vacation time, health care, social security etc. which made life brutal for most

A big difference was most lived on farms helping them be more self sustaining unlike now plus there were real communities

[Navywxman]

jv - continued - Free from dictation? Hardly, most of those free people were being oppressed, used, or exploited by more wealthy and powerful interests than themselves. Similar interests as today. How little things have really changed.

Perceptions of some good ol days is pure fiction. Life was brutal and hard and ended badly for most but the privileged. We are not agrarian anymore and things are more interconnected now, therefore making a 'free market' even more obsolete than it was then

[jeruon]

The premise for your entire argument is again false. The reason living conditions were worse off during previous capitalistic times is because of lower productivity because of the technology of the day. The truth is, the capitalistic industrial revolution picked more people up out of the gutter that was everyday life than any other period of human history. The only way to increase the overall quality of life is to increase production efficiency, which most socialists agree free enterprise does.

[CosmosPrivateer]

And we allready pay for those people with higher medical costs and taxes.

Its the Insurance companies that need to go all of them. We can pull our money to one fund. Don't be blind.

[sammiann777]

Then who would do the innovating in medicine, who would compete with the one insurance fund to make certain prices stay low. Its unfordable not unaccessible, all thanks to government intervention in the free market system. Medical cost are spiraling out of control because of government subsidies and regulations that inhibit competition. Rand seems to have a excellent grasp of the issues, probably because he is a doctor himself.

[CosmosPrivateer]

Well I guess you didn't know that most of the funds for research on just about anything are allocated to the universities via the US Government.

The people pay for the research and then pay for the product.

Health care doesn't belong in the free market plain and simple. Our health should not be a source of profits for big corporations. I don't mind paying for direct care.

You also don't understand that the Internet will eliminate the middle man very soon. Get out while you can.

[Navywxman]

Hey crazy Libertarians, what we have is capitalism and yes it is bad!

There has never been, isnt, or ever will be a 'free market' or 'pure 'capitalism. Never! Talk about brainwashed, you Libertarians are brainwashed by a fictional ideology professing something non-existant except in the fiction literature of Libertarians

The capitalists own the government, that is the problem. If there were no Gov and business ran the show, this country would implode in no time to 3rd world status or worse

[ryanthomastew]

Navywxman you're hopeless. Until you study and understand the philosophies there is no point in anyone here talking to you. Your comments are ignorant and devoid of factual content. Please go learn about free market capitalism, corporatism, fascism, socialism, communism. Sincerely do this over the next few weeks then come back. Until then please keep your comments to yourself.  They're useless.

[Navywxman]

ryan - Actually you sound pretty hopeless. I have studied the things you mentioned and very likely far longer than you.

Just because I disagree and point out obvious errors in Libertarianism doesnt mean you therefore have to go the their default of insults and claiming someone has to learn more, as if you have a clue.

How about you keep your uneducated comments to yourself. So either contribute something to dialogue rather than insults or shut it.

[ryanthomastew]

Look I read over all your comments. It's not that I disagree with you (I do). It's that you are simply incorrect in your analysis due to incomplete understanding. Capitalism involves competition. Competition drives quality up & prices down. Competition requires a Profit-Loss mechanism which provides essential feedback - which products to sustain & discard.

This is why governments will never be as efficient at providing goods & services. Govt spends arbitrarily b/c it lacks P&L mechanism.

[Navywxman]

ryan - I wish I were incorrect in my analysis. There certainly isnt an incomplete understanding either. I already know capitalism 101. The thing is the real world is often very different from the textbook theories and rules.

Not too mention Gov. can be efficient even more so. The costs of managing medicare are around 5% where in the insurance industry they run several times that, as high as 30% in some cases making Gov in this instance far more efficient. Thats just one example

[jeruon]

Your argument rest on the premise that our current insurance dominated government mandated health system is capitalistic. Your comparison of the two systems is therefor irrelevant. Even being irrelevant, it is still flawed.

Your percentages are only administrative cost. That is only a very specific and somewhat minor cost in the debate. What about the cost of wealth redistribution? The cost from a lack of price mobility. Did you listen to anything Dr. Paul said?

Your analysis is juvenile.

[ryanthomastew]

Navywxman no need for wishing. It's not fantasy/fiction - economic textbooks are based on real world experiences which includes application of theory.

Medicare is NOT the health care industry. They don't run hospitals and they don't see patients. They aren't adding red tape to their own processes but they do add redtape to the private sector - thus raising admin costs.

Even with the supposed admin costs of 30%, the private sector still turns a profit. WIN for capitalism.  Again.

[Navywxman]

ryan - Actually aspects of it are real tied in with alot of fantasy fiction. Theory that is often found wrong because thats what fiction is.

Medicare replaces the insurance industry so yes my example applied all too accurately.

Of course they turn a profit because they are bilking the public often literally to death. LOSE for the majority of the population...again.

I know your committed to this belief system like a religion but it is a false idol. People are the real thing

[ryanthomastew]

NO Navy - bad Navy! Now you're going back to making sweeping generalizations without any evidence. What is tied with "fantasy fiction"? What theories are "often" found wrong? (besides Keynesian)

Bilking often to death? No. Most insurance clients are living & doing quite well. (or define "often". Again.)

Supporting sound economic theory is NOT like religion. It's math and reason. We're not basing these principles on faith. They're proven out by experience, mathematics and reason.

[Navywxman]

Sorry there is no math or reason in what you have presented and actually violated.

Regarding economics goes Keynesian has been more legit than the free marketers. Though I dont ascribe to any ideology.

Bilking often to death.yes. I see your not serious now. Everyone knows health care costs are out of control, many of those "doing well" have and will be thrown off when/if they suffer a catastrophic illness or accident.

You are about beliefs based on faith, thats not enough for me, cya!

[Nillok]

Do you not put faith in a government to run your healthcare? Why criticize those who put faith in their own decisions (for, in a free market, you have more than one) when you yourself put faith in a monopoly (that is, government).

[Navywxman]

Nill - Actually no I do not put faith in a Gov run healthcare or in monopoly. I'm a single payer advocate. I hope you dont think those are the same.

Plus my criticism of Libertarianism has nothing to do with faith in ones own decisions in the slightest.

I'm sorry but teh cult of Libertarianism does not give a very accurate understanding of the real world

[Nillok]

I didn't read your previous post just the one I responded to :).

Libertarianism just means you own your life, body, and property. The Constitution is libertarian. Constitutionalist who may be libertarian at the federal level may be very well okay with having some of these programs delegated to each state, as it should be. Why the federal government must get involved is beyond me. "Because some states are poor." Well, okay, China is generating a lot of money, let us tax them for USA.

[Navywxman]

I know all about Libertarianism and it is much more than what you mentioned and is why I criticize it.

There never was, is or could be a free market system because capital ie. wealth and power would immediately ruin it.

The idea that business is good and Gov is bad is delusional and not the slightest bit accurate in how the world works as the revolving door is between the two.

These are but two of my criticisms, there are countless more. Sorry but that ideology is fiction based

[Nillok]

So I take it you thought the Great Depression was saved by the likes of the New Deal and WW2.

[sleedolfine15]

The marketplace cannot be runned by capitalist wealth because business in a free market can only survive by pursuading others to freely buy their products. The consumer is king under capitalism. The only time a business can dominate the consumer is when that business has the help of government via regulations,subsidizes,etc. Health care is a classic example of what happens when gov't meddles---a mess!

[Navywxman]

slee - "business in a free market can only survive by persuading others to freely buy their products"

According to who? You? What can you possibly base such a thing on, certianly not reality or the real world. For one there never was or could be a pure free market. Even if or especially if Gov is not in the picture Business will do what they always do which is nothing but shady business, scams, rip-offs, price fixing, monopolize, you name it.

Sorry Libertarian ideology is fantasy fiction

[sleedolfine15]

But,how does one create a monopoly absent gov't? Say,I own the only bakery in town and I decide to charge 100 dollars for a loaf of bread 1, why would any one buy from me and 2.why would'nt some person or persons--attracted by the high price of bread,set up rival bakeries to undercut my price to steal my business. Monopoly would only be possible if gov't limited the number of bakeries and what they could charge otherwise there is nothing to stop competition from arising naturally.

[Navywxman]

slee - That is some tortured reasoning.

Monopoly is only one thing that Business has and would engage in. How you ask? You partially answered one of many ways, setting up a rival and undercut prices. But there are so many other ways. Use profits to build more coming to dominate a region or larger. Organize with others ie. similar business owners or investors. As has been done with more capital could run for a short period in the red to drive others out of business. The methods are numerous

[sleedolfine15]

The problem with your analysis is that control ultimately depends on keeping others out of the market and that can't happen absent the power to compel which only gov't has, Healthcare is a classic example. Gov't has through regulations,subsidies,taxes,et­c fashioned an expensive,nondiverse and only partially reponsive system. I wonder what sort of healthcare we would have if only the heavy hand of gov't were removed? What choices might we have if we were free?

[Navywxman]

You have yet to show a "problem with" my "analysis." You keep repeating the fraudulent dogma of Libertarianism saying these things cant happen without gov. BS Is that what they tell you to think?

On the other hand I have shown actual problems with your religion/ideology, and one of the problems has nothing to do with Gov but business/capitalism itself. Who do you think Gov serves?

Zero Gov in healthcare, it would be worse than the current disaster. Your not one to be talking of freedom

[sleedolfine15]

What you have not shown is how it is possible for anyone to dominate a market absent gov't. That is the crux of my arguement. Gov't interfers-- to the detriment of health care, in many ways. For instance,it is illegal for small businesses to join together to purchase health insurance,thereby perventing them from providing their employes 's insurance at the same sort of bargain prices available only to the big boys That's just ONE example. Oh,and NOBODY TELLS ME WHAT TO THINK!

[Navywxman]

WTF I showed you examples below and those are just an infintesimal fraction

Sorry but the "crux" of your argument is a joke as I repeatedly show. If I were to go with what you have shown already I would be forced to assume your small business story is yet another fiction. How about you reference where it says that is illegal so I can be better informed

Obviously some tell you what to think because you have repeatedly made points that are the polar opposite to the real world.

[sleedolfine15]

I've noticed that you like to criticize me and others for a lack of facts when it is you who make assertions masquerading as facts. But...where I live there has been a long struggle between 2 local food chains for area dominance--all to the good of the consumer. Recently Walmart began selling groceries and its amazing how the other 2 and Walmart have been bending over backwards to accomodate the shopper. CAPITALISM WORKS! THE MARKETPLACE RULES! ADAM SMITH OVER KARL MARX!

[Navywxman]

Yes I will criticize those who make grandiose assertions not just for lack of facts but for flying in the face of known reality.

Capitalism at best only sort of works and overwhelmingly not very well. The marketplace is a joke let alone rule. Plus I doubt you even know that much about Adam Smith and if you did you would probably be surprised. Karl Marx...spare me.

Seek a deprogrammer, because someone other than yourself owns your thoughts

[sleedolfine15]

Mr.Navywxman,as usual you present no proof or rational arguement. In fact the totality of your position consists of personal assault about an absence of independent thought-- which is humorous when one considers how predictably antediluvian is your leftwingism. As for my reading,I've read Smith's The Wealth of Nations for his economics and also Smith's Theory of Moral Sentiments for his ethics ,so I doubt I'd be quite as surprised as you might imagine.

[obmax1212]

Command and control economies are fantasy fiction. Politicians giving favors to companies is not a symptom of capitalism, it is a sign of a government run amok. Corporatism is not capitalism. Do you really think that this nation is worse off than any other nation in the world? There is no argument, capitalism has made this country wealthy and better of than it would have been otherwise.

[Navywxman]

obmax - C&C economies are fiction!? I hope you open a history book sometime.

Corporatism is capitalism just not 'pure' capitalism. Just claiming its not doesnt make it so. Of course the US is worse off than many others and guess what, its all for nothing.

Capitalism made this country wealthy? I thought there isnt capitalism here? Make up your mind! Capitalism has turned the US into a dump and has sent it circling the drain. That is nothing to be proud of.

[residentzombie]

@Navywxman Corporatism is a product of cronie capitalism NOT free market capitalism. Corporations love rules and regulations because it forces smaller competitors to go out of business and for no new competitors to compete with them. Gov't interference in the economy with no bid gov't contracts, gov't subsidies, gov't bailouts, and gov't tax breaks is what allows corporations to become monopolies in their respective industry. We the People are the free market and set the prices we wish to pay

[Navywxman]

@residentzombie You Libertarian type are like cookie cutter clones repeating the same nonsense that doesnt mean anything. Corporatism and crony capitalism are the natural expressions of capitalism. Hate to break it to you but there never has been, isn't, nor ever could be "free market capitalism" or "pure capitalism." Those with capital ie. capitalists would see to it there isnt which is exactly what has happened

[residentzombie]

@Navywxman You never heard of bartering? That is what the free market is moron. Many countries have free markets and the freer their markets are, the more wealth and productivity that country will embrace. Next time you sell your car, ask your local politician how much you can sell it for since you advocate for this system.

[residentzombie]

@Navywxman You progressives are brainwashed by the globalists. I'm sure you wish a one world gov't would run your life don't cha?

[Navywxman]

@residentzombie The only thing I wish is for crazy people like you to either grow a brain or ooze back under your crazy rocks

[residentzombie]

@Navywxman Lost the philosphocal arguement so know you attack the messanger. lol classic Have fun the the upcoming American economic collapse.

[Navywxman]

@residentzombie lmao hardly! Kind of difficult to lose something that I'm not even involved in. Your far too busy making up positions and projecting them to me, claiming them to be mine. I'm just amused watching you argue with yourself. But also leads me to say again that I think people like you either need to grow a brain or ooze back under your crazy rocks

[residentzombie]

@Navywxman So you are claiming that Bilderburg, the CFR, the New World Order don't exist because you have not taken the time to research these topics?

[Navywxman]

@residentzombie LMAO! There you go again! IS this all you can do? Really, is arguing with yourself by projecting onto others all your capable of? No wonder your a mess

[residentzombie]

@Navywxman troll all you do is go around and criticize others opinion of something without explain to that person in an adult fashion why you disagree with them. Instead you resort to name calling and harassing to accomplish what? Have those you criticize agree with you because you attack their point of view? You sir understand nothing about debating.

[Navywxman]

@residentzombie Wow, I haven't seen this and wouldn't have if someone else didn't write something foolish to me. You insult me repeatedly and when I point out the fact that you are projecting onto me positions I never stated, therefore I don't know how to debate? You do realize that is crazy don't you?

[residentzombie]

@Navywxman You don't understand First Principles. People are not slaves to the collectivist group known as government. Learn what freedom means, because you don't have a clue.

[jvittetoe]

why would business want to drive us in to 3rd world status? Oh oh, so they can sell there products/services to no one? oh you one funny guy.

[Navywxman]

jv - Why would business do that? That is easy, to persue short term interests. It is also part of their one-sided class war they have been waging. They hate the accomplishments of the people and labor, fought against it then and fight it now. They are about maximizing profit right now, thats it. Plus there will be people to sell to. There is the elites and the well paid that work for them and perpetuate the system which you can find around the world. Nothing funny about any of that

[jvittetoe]

Do you really buy that horseshit? Oh wait...you think you're entitled to that horseshit.

Heres the thing, true Capitalism is win win. Let me explain.

See, you have x dollars, and mr walmart x shiny TVs. Now the TV you choose to buy is the one in which you value more than your x dollars. Now mr walmart values those dollars more, so hes willing to let go of his shiny tv in equal exchange for your dollars. Get it? Win win. You get the TV which you value more, and he gets those dollars.

[slangsd]

Rand Paul should have made a distinction between free-market capitalism and what occurred between Wall Street and the federal govt. The caller believes the premise that what we have experienced the last decade is true capitalism, but it is mere corporatism that has the federal government giving aid to corporations (socialism for the rich) while leaving the poor out to dry. I feel for the caller and his frustration, but his anger is misguided.

[spyletu]

rand has a distinctively different manner in speech than ron.. interesting.

[ddstar]

All the people that called are on the system and are stuck with the system.

The person arguing about capitalism and how its bad needs to really understand the point he was trying to make. Capitalism is GOOD. People are so god damn brain washed it makes ME mad. arghhhhh

[Riselikethetide]

They had tvs so it's okay they were poor? Seriously man, that's a stupid remark.

[spyletu]

your ability to misunderstand is amazing.

[leafwatch]

Seriously man, that's a stupid remark and not what he said at all.

The poor of the world have been attracted to this country because it offered greater opportunities than the totalitarian systems they came from. How anybody who even glanced at history could argue that is not being honest.

Americans go spoiled and thought they had an automatic money machine (the federal reserve) so they spent it on wars and bureaucracies and every government program is bankrupt. Republicans & Democrats alike.

[catchyournoise]

Really love the way Rand handled himself during the prank call, this is a true gentleman.

[wcarlpdrysdale]

a FED. note is debt, not capitol. END THE FED

[scott715]

Rand Paul for President, 2016

[twilightawakening]

Um obese children is the parents responsibility, not the schools. Taking a 40 minute mandatory gym class (that you can slack off in easily) every day isn't going to help anything if your parents take you to go buy five big macs every night.

[exafc]

It's incredible how much hate people bring into the debate, when they feel that somebody wants to take their benefits away. That's exactly the problem with mob rule.

[dtaijo174]

man did he smoke the entire Question and Answer forum. Just wow!

[Pvtjamesryan2]

4:40

This is why I can not stand black people. All they ever do is bring up race. They seriously have a fucking mental disorder. I don't give a fuck what color the asshole President is. He is destroying the dollar!!

You can't keep printing trillions of dollars out of thin air and not destroy the currency.

All black people do is focus on race. There is no race. We're human beings. Get over yourselves!!

[kihjin]

Not all of them. By saying they are all guilty of this, you are falling into the trap of collectivism.

A neutral, non-collectivist statement would be to assert that it is a tendency/imperative of humans to categories and group things, including themselves.

We are a social species, and therefore collective. However like you point out we are all collectively human beings. Further categorization is irrelevant.

[Claytrainor]

There is an important distinction to make. The only moral form of collectivism is when it is voluntary amongst the individuals who form the collective.

Collectivism can only be moral through respect for individualism

[sammiann777]

Don't hate me bro hate the piss poor gov education system that fails all americans. hate the mostly white politicians that pomoted/ created welfare, Hate racism for blinding and dividing the nation. It was screwed up before Barky, and McCain is the same as Obama, so even if it was a White man in the White house we would still be fighting for our freedoms and our liberties. Obama is just another poor useless trash like the previous trash that have occupied the White house.

[TheHardMoneyMan]

listen for about 30 seconds from 7:26

lol akwarddd

[Strutinan]

Wow....the crazy fruit doesn't fall far from the nut tree does it.

This entire family is vomit-inducing.

[5aposapo]

LOL on that crank call

[PresidentRich]

I don't know why that caught me by surprise; it's C-Span!

[CosmosPrivateer]

Rand is just another puppet for the Control System.

They all are.

If you think you need these leaders you become their slaves.

We have forgotten how to lead ourselves, we are followers not leaders.

Capitalism is a system that feeds off the common man/women. We feed off each other and it taste like shit.

Screw all the insurance company's they need to go. We should pull our dollars into one fund it will save us a ton.

At one time we had social clubs that contracted with doctors.

[5aposapo]

You're dreaming if you don't think that this bill is gonna make insurance companies stronger. Haven't you noticed that anytime these politicians make any law its the common person that loses.

[CosmosPrivateer]

I never said HR 3200 would do anything. I don't think it will.

We already have government health care its called Medicare why reinvent the wheel.

Your correct the politicains will do nothing that meets the needs of the people that built this great country.

[kihjin]

And this "one fund" will be run by the same Government puppet officials you trust so much?

Capitalism represents the voluntary SOVEREIGN choices of individuals. Government is meant to disrupt, distort or prevent these choices.

Part of leading ourselves is learning to make decisions and choices. This is part of logical evaluation of alternatives. This is fundamental to capitalism!