Black Holes Plasma Cosmology Electric Universe Astronomy

[ZajoSTi]

Never mind. Anyway, you shoud visit holoscience com and thunderbolts info to find further information about plasma cosmology. Have fun ;)

[ZajoSTi]

Wtf second part of my comment is blocked. Does youtube have some restricted combination of words? Now this made me crazy.

[ZajoSTi]

I am not their side. I always just try to side with the truth. They just seem to be far closer to it. So ok, you've heard about it, that's good. Because you should know that Princeton has a doctorate graduate program in Plasma physics within department of astrophysical sciences. If something is not common knowledge it doesn't mean it's freezed. There is really vast info abou it, evidences and proofs comes on and on. You just have to look for it, because they don't tell it in TV news. Why? Becau

[ZajoSTi]

Plasma cosmology grows stronger because it's lacking the delusional mathematicians. It is very simple why clasic model is getting less popular. With all the unknown magic particles and energies, their statements that they are really there but we have no proof nor have seen them is getting really suspicious. They imagine something, add it into equations and if the result is good, it simply exist no matter no one haven't seen it

[PlanetOfTheMonkeys]

@ZajoSTi If Plasma Cosmology is growing, why are there no papers on the topic since 2004?

Why is all work in the field, all quotes mined, etc... from the 1990's?

And of course, given that the few predictions Plasma Cosmology made have been discredited due to actual discovered evidence, I am at a loss as to why you say it grows stronger when all I find shows it is a dead theory?

If you can point to a peer reviewed paper on the topic done after 2004, I would appreciate it.

Thanks!

[soupdragon42]

@PlanetOfTheMonkeys There are a huge number. The Plasma Universe is supported by the IEEE, the largest professional body. Also, see plasmauniverse(dot)com for a list of peer reviewed papers. Your claims grow increasingly bizarre.

[rellikzephyr]

If the electric universe hypothesis is so good and accurate, why attack gravitational theories? why not just use your evidence to prove gravity wrong? i think trying to show what is wrong with other theories instead of what is right with your theory, is the first sign that there is something wrong with your assertions. im not saying either is wrong or right, but this video has made electric universe hypothesis lose some credibility in my eyes

[soupdragon42]

@rellikzephyr It is important to recognise problems in order to progress. Many out there claim there is no need for plasma cosmology as gravitational cosmology works just fine. It doesn't work. Gravitational models rely heavily on mathematical absraction and an increasing array of exotic hypotheticals.

[soupdragon42]

@soupdragon42 *abstraction

[PlanetOfTheMonkeys]

@rellikzephyr You are right on the money. Sadly, Plasma Cosmology not only has no evidence to support it's claims, it does not make many predictions that can be tested. Calling it a scientific theory is a stretch.

Top it off with actually evidence discovered in the past decade that totally contradicts the few predictions Plasma Cosmology made leaves this "theory" for the history books, not science.

But people cling to it because it's "fringe" and they think that is cool.

Cheers

[MrBrianDunbar]

mainstream will never give up the ghost.they cling onto old outdated unproven theory's and deamonise anyone who threatens this,its hard to admit when you are wrong.scientists behave like religious extremists, and are unwilling to change any time soon. they will try to brush these theory's under the carpet like they have done to so many others its sad that we have come to this,arguing like pre school kids when we should be working towards the same goal.

[jedicaptain41]

If black holes don't exist then what is at the center of the universe and why is hawkings getting so much fame ??

[soupdragon42]

@jedicaptain41 Huge electromagnetic forces. The plasma that escapes the huge EM plasma focus, perpendicular to the axis of rotation, is expected and predicted from and EU perspective. It contradicts the BH hypothesis however.

[PlanetOfTheMonkeys]

I love how this video starts with the statement that black holes are nothing more than scientific theory, then goes to present a topic that is not even a scientific theory, has no peer reviewed articles in the scientific community, and no evidence to support it.

The rebuttal to this will inevitably be based upon a massive conspiracy in the scientific community that demands evidence, peer review of everything, all things that get in the way of Plasma Heads making baseless claims they're right.

[orrerystar]

@PlanetOfTheMonkeys

The supporters of the theory are all highly distinguished scientists with Ph.Ds that include former college professors, and experimental professionals. They are the pioneers of a new field that include the head researchers of the Los Alamos National Laboratory and other experimental research facilities. Their work is sponsored by the largest organization of professionals in the world, the IEEE.

These guys are the trailblazers, the mainstream is still playing catch up.

[PlanetOfTheMonkeys]

@orrerystar Supporters of BOTH theories are distinguished scientists with PhDs. former college professors, etc...

What you are attempting to do is present a fallacious argument known as appeal to authority. Lame.

What you are NOT presenting is that in all cases, no new work being done in the field since 2004 due to evidence that supports mainstream theories and discredits Plasma Cosmology.

Started in 1965 and abandoned in 2004, Plasma Cosmology is dead, maybe you should catch up.

[soupdragon42]

@PlanetOfTheMonkeys "Plasma Cosmology is dead". This has to be the most bizarre comment I have ever heard. Go back to sleep.

[soupdragon42]

@PlanetOfTheMonkeys Plasma Cosmology grows strong on a diet of supportive evidence, whereas gravitiational cosmology poisons itself on an increasing array of exotic hypotheticals.

[PlanetOfTheMonkeys]

@soupdragon42 Point to SOMETHING that has been published in the field since 2004 then. Your claim it is a growing field. There is zero evidence that supports your claim.

FACT is, it is dead except for the few who are willing to disregard real evidence in favor of what they just wish were the case. (aka NOT scientists)

But don't just take this as a "you say/I say" scenario. Just show a peer reviewed paper on the topic in the past 5 years. Otherwise you sound like a creationist.

[yahshuah29]

I hate these types of videos! Loud crappy music with words ugh!

[EltonJThe]

You know, if we had knowledge of the electric universe a hundred years ago, we would be colonizing every star in the sky.

[soupdragon42]

@EltonJThe Almost certainly.

[soupdragon42]

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[gamebent]

I have been reading on your site and watching your videos with great interest. I am no physicist or mathematician, just a man with a deep curiosity about the universe we live in. What I like most about Plasma Cosmology is the simplicity in which things can be explained clearly and without confusion. I find a common sense to it that is undeniable considering how fundamental electricity is to every thing observable and to the things that we observe with.

[sparkloweb]

I don't mean to be a hater, but please narrate your videos if you think your message is important. This is like ... reading ... a ... blog ... except ... the ... words .... appear ..... very ...... slowly.

[nononsenseinrational]

They just released the result of a study about our own galaxy clearly showing the effects of a black holes over 16 years. Also detected jets of our neighbor galaxy. What are your qualification? If you are this good at math why don't you show how you got to this? Nobody ever said that black holes are a single point.

[soupdragon42]

@nononsenseinrational Another exercise in wish fulfillment. The selective interpretaton of evidence to fit theory,

[55painterman]

~if you think about this its strange too, if our universe exploded in a catastaphic Big bang? wouldn,t the whole universe be one big black hole? and if not? why not? the begining of the universe is much more powerful than any star exploding into a black hole ya think? ~it is my opinion that all these theorys are just ways for nasa and others to take our tax dollars as long as they can convince others the money will keep coming I don,t think anyone knows whats going on in space or on earth either

[superwhuffo1]

There is so much wrong with our current conclusions...Black holes, dark energy......Just after graduation from college in 1977and having just taken Calculus 212 as an elective...integrals...i set out to fully understand Einstein's Theory of Relativity...it took days and nights, and days turned into weeks...and then all of a sudden in my deep studies i realized that i fully understood Einstein's Theory of Relativity!!!...but in the instant of understanding it fully, i realized that it was WRONG!

[Aspanaut]

Black Holes? or Protons?

Galaxy Supercluster? or Atom?

Universal Filament? or Molecule?

Time? or Evolution?

Gravity? or Magnetic Field?

Filamentary Universe? or Filamentary Reality???

[goldencowboy748]

Isn't mathematics the one universal language or is that also crap?

[soupdragon42]

@goldencowboy748 Mathematics has become a language in it's own right, but there are disputes over some basic principles. Furthermore, math should be the slave of science, not the master. Scientific theories should be based on observations, not what the we think we should see based on mathematical speculations.

[RealityofThings]

The current model has always reminded me of a crossword puzzle in wich the last word is blank. Although logic tells us the word should be " Star " the letters from previous words won't allow it. It seems in cosmology they would spend ages trying to think of another 4 letter word with similar attributes rather than admiting the obvious, that is, at least parts of the puzzle to date are simply wrong. In other words.. Square peg Round hole.

[ThomasakaDes]

Wonder why youtube itself is calling the tune in the vid for Darude - Sandstorm when it`s really Rank 1 - Airwave :P

(Under the video discription)

[horser423]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POSTING THIS!

[gaynorglowellxsingh]

As matter accelerates down a black hole its electrons are stripped away and is converted to plasma. The freeed electrons generate powerfull magnetic fields, carring energy away from the black hole.

[MrRemoved]

i shall go and reconsider my views  thanks

[katesisco]

Really is fine example of R Feynmann's statement: When you really know something you can explain it so anybody can understand it. Good job.

[dcax88]

why the fuck is it always trance music to these videos!

ANNOYING.

[9114steve]

@dcax88 Cause it's Electronic... Get it??? - also a very cool trance band that makes music very similar to this is called "Electric universe" - check out their cd cover - it shows a prehistoric Arc discharge phenomena that was interpreted by ancient man to be a man in the sky... see this video vGpE3t5fcII "Electric Universe - Solar Energy" and this one Y4ZT-IOf0gM "symbols of an alien sky 2" at about 6 or 7 mins in... very interesting

[PhyUL09]

Oh and to finish, you are from the "electric universe" thing right? Do you know that ALL quantum physics are derived from 1 equation? Do you know that with quantum physics we can proove that gravity-light interaction is real? Probably not... you might want to learn physics before making assumptions on it.

[PhyUL09]

1) The super compressed matter is not required to balance any mathematical equations... It is plain classical mechanics and vis-viva equation application. It was found that there needs to be something very dense at the center of galaxies.

2) I am sorry to say that I study among cosmologists and they are no mathematicians at all. They studied the same maths as all physicists ...

3) You cannot divide by zero but you can find the limit of it ...

[PhyUL09]

I also am the living proof that you just generalize in your video. I am going to be a theoretical physicist and I am not at all a mathematician and I will not make stuff up ... I want you to read that:

To those who do not know mathematics it is difficult to get across a real feeling as to the beauty, the deepest beauty, of nature ... If you want to learn about nature, to appreciate nature, it is necessary to understand the language that she speaks in.

Richard Feynman

[big1buddy]

So in 7 and 1/2 minutes, you just attacked conventional astronomy and conventional. So, how do plasma "guns" in space work. How is the electric current generated in the middle of all that confusion? How do you modify Special relativity and general relativity so black holes are not predicted but the Global Positioning Systems still work? Does fusion and nucleogenesis still happen in the core of stars?

And most important of all: Do you think the LHC will NOT destroy the Earth?

[soupdragon42]

@big1buddy The LHC does not work, and wll not work, so worry not about it destroying the earth. And therein lies a clue. Gravitational theory is dead. The Higgs-Boson is a figment of the imagination. Oh, and GPS works just fine without the myth of time dilation.

[Piercedblood]

@big1buddy No fusion does not happen in the core of stars, which is exactly why the corona is the hottest part and the core is the coldest. However when you bombard a target with electrically accelerated particles you do get nuclear reactions, however they are on the surface (hottest part is the corona remember?). Also scientists recently found a star too big to be supported by nuclear fusion (R136a1), however instead of changing the theory to fit the data, once again we cook the books.

[mbunds]

@big1buddy Advances in scientific understanding have always displaced "conventional" models...

[MotesTV]

@big1buddy Also, fusion only happens on the surface of stars.

[anuraganimax]

Thanks for your excellent videos. I too think that electromagnetism rather than gravity is the driving force in the universe.

[genogeno1234]

Very interesting stuff. Ever since astronomers found out in the 1970s that orbital rotation of stars within galaxies doesn't jive with newtonian equations, there have been contradiction after contradiction of the Big Bang theory. Dark matter, dark energy, black holes, and a host of mysterious particles were invented to make the equations work, yet they all were based on perposterous ideas.

[LordFren]

I can accept, that they have to adjust most of their equations... but i'm on my research mission so to speak, to learn more about th universe, to widen my spectrum.

What I have found so far is that we dont know jack about the universe. The more i read/view/study the more questions i get...

So for now, i will think the way as most ppl want me to... but "Question Everything" is on. Who knows, they might be right, they might be wrong... only time will tell.

[LordFren]

I'm not a pro in this matter.

But I believe that black holes exist, though i think, infinite gravity is a bit too much.

PPl tend to stick with this infinite stuff... becouse we cant measure it or pruduce it. But it does not mean it is infinite.

I think gravitation is a controll force of the universe, but gravity alone cant answer all the questions.

[soupdragon42]

Yes, gravity alone cannot answer all the issues, but mainstream astronomy turns to abstract mathematics in conjunction with gravity to do just this.

[weboy78]

ok but haramein isn't like in this mainstream abstraction, he worked alone observing nature, search on google video Nassim Haramein at the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library. 2003

[soupdragon42]

Haramein has some interesting ideas, as do many. He is, however, a mathematician. We need more scientists and less mathematicians in astronomy and cosmology.

[weboy78]

see on theresonanceproject (dot) org

about nassim haramein work

a new view of black holes, they are black-white holes

Collective Coherent Oscillation Plasma Modes In Surrounding Media of Black Holes and Vacuum Structure - Quantum Processes with Considerations of Spacetime Torque and Coriolis Forces (PDF), by Nassim Haramein and E.A. Rauscher.

..where the exterior white hole portion surrounds the interior black hole singularity.

[soupdragon42]

Haramein. You're having a laugh. More absract mathematical nonsense. He's going nowhere.

[weboy78]

no he had developed tecnology before doing physics

he work with Elizabeth Raucher

She is the author of a number of technical papers and has held three U.S. patents and one European patent. etc..

without collaboration we don't go anywhere

also Dan Winter electric engeneer and inventor spoke about Nassim on his website

and about implosion to make gravity and electromagnetism

[ilcvmvm]

I watched with interest the documentaries in bh but never really believed, because they were using it to have their whole theory of life in them, why? because all strange things could happen in them, time travel, other dimmentions and what not. the only thing that gets me is that children only learn about the gravity in the universe instead of the electric connection of universe.

[Digalog]

The tone is too sarcastic

[Digalog]

Well all those little things in sky look like points. my cells have a point that is the nucleid. my atoms form points, the nucleid. they contain multiple points, subatomic particles, they contain multiple points quarks etc.

it's all points. or a sphere, just the resolution you look at it.

[ineedfiles]

black holes my ass

[spoons1213]

Interesting.

[UnexpectedTiger]

Except for the supermassive black hole at the centre of our galaxy, observed through the orbits of stars which closely obey the predictions of relativity for an extremely dense object?

Also, noone believes the singularity in a black hole is real, because at some point the currently unknown effects of quantum gravity kick in. Physics is full of singularities and divergences in approximate theories which are removed by more complicated theories.

[soupdragon42]

To call the energetic events at the centre of our galaxy a 'Black Hole' is an interpretation, not an observation.

Furthermore, most of this activity contradicts the original theory, such as new stars forming so close to the alleged event horizon, when matter there should be sucked into oblivion. Moreover, matter has now been seen to escape by way of jets perpendicular to the ecliptic.

[UnexpectedTiger]

It's not clear what you would count as a valid observation. If it's 'something you can directly see' then science ended about 200 years ago. Besides all observation is interpretation, even what you see with your own eyes. Given all the other evidence for GR, I think we have seen a supermassive black hole at the galactic centre via its gravitational effects, as well as the radio waves from its accretion disc (also predicted by GR), regardless of other phenomena we don't yet understand.

[soupdragon42]

An observation that meets the predictions would be a good start. GR predicts Radio Waves? Tell me more.

[UnexpectedTiger]

A hot, radiating accretion disc is predicted even by Newtonian gravity (combined with the Navier-Stokes equations), the exact spectrum probably depending on the gas characteristics. The killer evidence are the orbits though.

[soupdragon42]

Do you have any references for this? I have not heard this claim before now!

[UnexpectedTiger]

Prof. Cathie Clarke's book 'Astrophysical Fluid Dynamics' derives that for a simple model half the gravitational potential of a gas element will be radiated as it falls into the object. Basically, this happens because of the viscosity of the gas; it's the viscosity which allows radial transfer of angular momentum and so allows the gas to fall in rather than just orbit the object, but viscosity is of course dissipative as well.

[supergiuovane]

No. Maxwell equations predict radio waves. You don't need GR for that.

[Digalog]

I'm not an official scientist. but i understand that. since black holes are objects with infinite gravity. whe cannot see what goes away from us. But when a big cosmic system is close to the black hole. than we can see the effect on the cosmic object near to the black hole.

i do remember that i've read somewhere that black holes sometimes emit huge rays of electromagnetism.

wish i had followed physics as primary education.. :)

[soupdragon42]

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[soupdragon42]

Comments from PopeAsbestos removed after refusal to address real issues.

[soupdragon42]

I removed your previous comment as it was abusive and patronising. As regards the math, try looking up the work of Stephen J Crothers.

Cosmologists only work with one tool in their box -- gravity -- which can only be defined mathematically. Because gravity is such a weak force, a supernatural entity is required to balance the equations - the famous singularity: A point with zero volume and infinite mass. There is no escaping this ludicrous mathematical abstraction for the mainstream.

[wavepsychic]

Main stream Scientist are Materialist. Since Gravity is seemingly produced by Matter which they in a way worship they are all to happy to believe it drives the Universe.

Science has no idea where Electricity comes from!

[seanmPWH]

Excellent! As a creationist I find the electric model much more compatible with the Bible.

[soupdragon42]

Well, things can happen much more quickly in an electric universe, but probably not quite that quick!

[SheepRCool17]

It's not compatible at all... The plasma universe predicts that the universe has always existed but is always evolving.

Creationist be gone! =P

[Ichthus91]

And God said "Let there be Light"...

[SheepRCool17]

"always existed" Now begone, vagabond!

=)

[Ichthus91]

Let's assume your premise. If the universe has at all times existed then what invokes the (clearly observable) change? In order to evolve something has to change it's state. What is that mechanism? How can there be an uncaused cause within our universe?

[SheepRCool17]

But it's not hard to easily accept an uncaused God because he's God! A god that exists out of time yet he can dynamically create the universe... All I have to say is that the universe works in mysterious ways. Ironic isn't it? Lol.

[Ichthus91]

It's also not hard to accept that there is no God. I'm not saying you should accept the existence of God on the basis of blind faith, which is to be distinguished from unblind faith. But rather that you can't help but ponder it and search for unbiased answers.

I'd broaden what you say about the universe and say "anything which is actual yet not apparent works in mysterious ways" ;-)

[SheepRCool17]

=P

Well, "always existing" is a part of the plasma cosmological theory. I was just pointing this out, whether I believed it or not.

The best I can do, to be honest, is say "I don't know, or I think." I can't exactly say the same for others, seeing out zealous their faith is.

[Ichthus91]

Plasma Cosmology says that? Is there no scientific notion without some biased philosophy behind it? You're right: saying "I don't know" is probably one of the most intelligently honest things you can say.

And of course: faith isn't about knowing. The man who has faith in everything has it bad but the man who has faith in nothing has it worse. Ex. Do you have faith in the chair you're sitting in? How much do you know about the chair?

[SheepRCool17]

The ideal world would be one where everyone would just do because they have complete faith in others to do the right thing, and there would be no second thought of someone doing otherwise. A world with no money, just people giving; a world with no crime because everyone is kind; a world with no habits because the only good would be knowledge and the advancement towards it.

No religion I know of, no government, no law, no bill being past promotes this.

Peace is my God, love is my Word. =)

[Ichthus91]

So, you don't know about Christianity? The bible promotes these things (and not necessarily the people who try to follow it). It teaches that God is love (c.f. 1 John 4:8) and there many teaches of peace and being aware of false peace. The world was perfect before the fall of man. It was as you described and much more.

Also, the bible teaches against religion (though many Christians are guilty for being religious). Download "Christianity is not a religion" by James A. Fowler (It's Free).

[SheepRCool17]

I forgot art.

Knowledge, art, peace, and love.

:D

[Ichthus91]

Art is my favorite (besides love).

[SheepRCool17]

What kind of art do you like?

[Ichthus91]

Performing arts like music. In fact, especially music. It's even more appreciative when you understand the mathematics behind it. And I find it profound that certain sounds can invoke specific emotions and visual colors/shapes. I was a musician a long time before I saw anything visual though. Music has always spoken to the soul.

[SheepRCool17]

I'm a musician too. I could not have said it better myself.

My friend and I, both musicians, have taken something, a few times, so as to change our perspective, and we could see and feel the song. Not just the color and the shapes, but the story. We actually became the song. It's the most euphoric thing, to be one with the song.

I can definitely say that after those experiences, I am much more appreciative of music than I was before.

[HipHopGaming]

This is all lies. The truth is the word of God, in the Bible.

LOL Just kidding, but you gotta admit, that is something a religious fanatic would say

[micah9021090210]

......

[Ichthus91]

I believe in God and the bible and I don't say that.

[issak]

Soupdragon, very interesting info and data. I for one, have no problem with Plasma cosmology- I think accounts for quite a bit, very elegantly.

Justcurios, what does Plasma cosmology have to say about gravitational lensing? that's pretty well documented isn't it?

[soupdragon42]

Gravitational lensing is the currently fashionable explanation for arcs of luminosity around galaxies. But that explanation overlooks details that can be better explained as plasma discharge formations.

I recommend Looking it up on Thunderbolts(.)info

[michaelcweir]

I sent the video on 'December 21 2012 - How WE are zapped' because the theory works whether there is a huge sun a trillion miles across, or a black hole. We are still zapped by plasma.

[Nelapidae]

I think the only real black holes that exist are between the ears of the dipshits who invented them.

[0siander]

LOL

[ActiveStorage]

lol. hey they were fulled into thinking too. i mean by educational institutions or by some other earlier theories.. thats just the way it goes. i bet in few 100 years or so someone will say exactly the same thing about today's plasma cosmologists )

[WhatIsGod]

If that is so at least we as a community driven by the desire to understand, continue to drudge forward, towards understanding how our universe works.

[Michkuty]

@Nelapidae umm i think black jets thing can actually be observerd in real life!!! When those dipshits take a bump!!

[EltonJThe]

@Nelapidae Oh geeze, even Dark Energy is a fantasy. What they are calling Dark Energy has been photographed and shows to have a light blue glow.

[WhatIsGod]

Has anyone ever stopped to think about frame drag?  Electrons have some mass. Electrons are moving at extreme speeds. Frame drag compresses space time. One drop of water will not move a mountain but a flowing river can completely destroy it. Can electrons coming in from multiple directions compress space-time? Where will people turn when the Bose-Einstein Condensate turns up missing at CERN? What will people do when they come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a graviton.

[mairsil]

They will shit themselves, then re-adjust the theories to account for new data just like they're paid to do. Assuming we're still here. :)

[ActiveStorage]

what are u trying to say? i dont get it. no such thing as gravitation?

[WhatIsGod]

Well why you dont tell me. What is gravity? How powerful is gravity when compared to electromagnetism? If we do not find a graviton slipping between dimensions like a ghost between walls of a house, then what is the cause of gravity? When you look at all of the evidence as it piles up, no I do not believe gravity is what the main stream scientists think it is.

[ActiveStorage]

agree no one knows what mass and gravity is. sorry i first thought it meant there was no gravity what so ever

imo there's no wave-particle duality because there's no particles. (particles are observed only due to our methods of observation as if 1 eyed man would observe a world with no dept in it.)

the main question then is what causes waves to form matter as we know it

[ActiveStorage]

imo it has something to do with energy to mass ratio.. the higher the energy within the wave-like structure the lower the mass of this system. so the system with high mass lose any observable wave properties. And vice verca.

i know it's all intuitive and non-scientific but hey! im not a scientist lol

[sirfascio]

Things like dark matter and singularities seems counter-intuitive to me. For example, look at mathematical fractals and biological ones, like ferns. Sure, ferns can be fractals, up to a point. Although fractals in math can be infinite, in reality, the fern eventually stops being a fractal, and other principles take over, such as those at the cellular level. I suppose a singularity might reflect the same principle, but maybe quantum theory is premature, as science is based on observable phenomena

[MaryStewart]

one thing i think makes BHs utter nonsense is that having all matter from a star become one goes against that one law of thermodynamics that more than 1 object can't occupy the same space. the EU theory is still kinda hard to prove 100% imho. ^^;

[Kenzofeis]

It depends, considering that matter is not really "objects" as they will have us believe when they play with their tiny marbles theories. A vid on utube shows an electron, and it is not a tiny marble.. it is energy resonating in a local but not "firm" field. There is plenty observations crushing the marble models.

There's only fields, waves.

Which means that it is possible to blend them into maybe a denser "soup".

But, make rotating matter fall straight down in on itself as in the BH model?

[pumatalia10]

To answer your profound questions that you have given me, the son of God was Jesus, but was he the "sun" of God?From my studies in Lego Robotics, I know that from the gravitational pull of the "sun",one can understand that it is, in fact,the pull towards heaven or towards the"son".If Jesus was black,he is the sun or even the "hole" if you will

[Kenzofeis]

"Sun", "Son" .. english words with little (that means NO) relevance to the antique world... so it's just a dead end road, using that argument..

[pumatalia10]

yea, i just wanted to comment about this video because it seems a bit misleading. my name is christopher walleck by the way.i am a physicist who has some expertice in this area. i got 3rd place in the JETS competition, well JV that is, and i am in MENSA as well. So I mean I think that I would know a lot more than you guys. This whole flash video is not true at all. Lanmancz, the sun is created by God, ok? so your wrong. Black holes are just a rumor created to disprove God and astronomy is BS

[neilay]

Pumatalia, if that's even your name, it just so happens that i am also in mensa, and i feel your logic has some gaps. First, you claim that the sun is created by god, but then why did he name it sun? because it was his "son?" WRONG. jesus was his son. furthermore, you claim that black holes were just a rumor created to disprove god, but if you claim that god is the creator, then why would he create a rumor about himself? black holes suck up all things that are black, science says so, so stfu.

[pumatalia10]

Although your logic is correct,that is only how one would think if they were retarded.That is why i have come to say that i am also taking MENSA as well.

[Chimbot]

^

just another lost soul.

dont worry its one in a lot that arent gonna make it to the next consciousness. leave them be that dont understand.

[Zaradia]

This should be required viewing for all astronomy students!

[lanmancz]

Personally I'm a bit confused why have cosmologists completely ignored electricity and magnetism while they are obviously very strong forces that could play a major role in forming of galaxies. I mean - here on Earth it's no problem to see natural electrical discharges like lightnings - it happens every day. Why it would be any different in the universe ?

[shrunkensimon]

Lightning discharges occur above the storm cloud, extending many kilometers up above the Earth, at the same time as the discharge we associate with lightning occurs below the cloud. There is definatly some interaction taking place between Earth and the surrounding space.. so much for colliding rain drops.

[shippoCY88]

I'm not sure if I'm in the position to speak up on this topic, but here's my opinion. Cosmologists, on the large scale, put aside electrostatic forces because on the whole, the universe is neutral. Also, while electrostatic forces are important, remember that they are only strong at very short distances. At large, universal scales, gravitation is the most prominent interaction.

[Kenzofeis]

Do we even know which way the stars in a spiral galaxy is going, inwards or outwards?

What if spiral galaxies are just big "producers" of matter, coming from the center and spiraling outwards, by means of electrical forces?

[shrunkensimon]

This is what i think it happening.. the centre of the galaxy is somehow converting electrical energy into physical matter. At some point, even with plasma cosmology, we have to address the issue of how matter is produced.

[WhatIsGod]

So what you're saying is electrons are squeezed together along with high energy and fuse into mater? Spiking the quantum wave function at the center of galaxies. Much like a speaker with sound? I like that explanation.

[ActiveStorage]

lol we need a bit more than just a pare of squeezed electrons

[lanmancz]

It's not true that black holes has never been seen! Black hole can be seen due to it's gravitation - it bends light coming from distant stars when it pases through the light beam. Black holes have been seen. However that doesn't mean that there's no place for plasma science in the universe. I think that it's very possible that electricity and magnetism are very important and responsible for lots of events in the universe. In fact - lots of pictures of nebulas do look like a plasma currents.

[shrunkensimon]

I think you're confusing "seen" and "seeing the effects of its existence". We've observed high energy phenomina and light bending in the vicinity of these objects.. this however does equate into blackholes actually existing. It is entirely possible something else is taking place at these locations, and not a singularity, which has never been proven beyond mathematical equations anyway.

[Kenzofeis]

Put even the most intelligent mind in a room, what does he know about what is on the other side of the walls if he never saw it beforehand?

I invented a term "profession inbread" by which I mean being so limited and so tunnelvisioned in the end that you just can't get anywhere because your mental legs is gone.

I think this is running thru all aspects of society, INCLUDING "science".

[Kenzofeis]

"inbred" ^^

Haven't slept enough.

[BadAstronomer]

Who? Can you make videos like this?

[TheBadAstronomer]

Just to be clear here, as alien8ted pointed out the person posting under the name "BadAstronomer" is not me, Phil Plait.

[junglelord]

the correct model is an electric model. The MECO is the electric version of a blackhole.

The observations of a MECO has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Black holes being shadows CANNOT say the same.

I made a typo last comment. DOOH!

[junglelord]

the correct model is an electric model. The MECO is the electric version of a blackhole.

The observations of a MECO has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Black holes being shadows can say the same.

[BadAstronomer]

Cosmology is now more like a religion than science. Its obsession with abstract math has produced a new Holy Trinity - black holes, dark matter, and dark energy!

Taxpayers money is disappearing into these very real black holes!

[alien8ted]

There is an enormous amount of physical evidence for black holes, and their dramatic effects on their local environments are easily observable. This vid 'argues'like a fanatical christian fundamentalist arguing against evolution without any understanding of the subject. You shouldn't trust someone that cannot even be bothered to try and spell 'mathematician' properly. A conspiracy theory that scientists are somehow biased against ionised gas is patently ridiculous.

[Krackonis]

I think your completely missing the point by using "attack the messanger tecniques" rather than debate against people. This is the problem... Not us, it's your inability to even see outside a gravity driven box that everyone can agree is millions and millions of times weaker than the EM force. Long ago, when the first spy spacecraft went into space, guess what? The spy cameras showed alot of sparks... Why? No one ever suspected they were flying thru an electrical torus around the planet.

[alien8ted]

This is pseudoscience which plays on people's ignorance of science to misrepresent its ideas, just like Velikovsky and Daniken who twist science to 'support' their blind faith. Black holes, dark energy and dark matter do exist and their physical effects are being observed. This bullshit is on a par with intelligent design, UFOs, alien shapeshifting lizards, crop circles and the flat or hollow earth. This is just a modern equivalent of 'phlogiston' and just as woefully misguided.

[shrunkensimon]

By physical evidence, you mean sensor readings from satellites? We've observed strange stuff where "blackholes" should be, but to say we have physical evidence for there existence is complete tripe.

[alien8ted]

shrunkensimon, you sound just like the mindless theist idiots who, when Galileo tried to show them the moons of Jupiter through his telescope, refused, claiming that anything that cannot be seen with the naked eye could not possibly exist as god made everything just for us, so what Galileo saw were actually tricks of the devil. You seem proud of your ignorance.

[shrunkensimon]

Your analogy means absolutely nothing, nor is it relevant in any way. Observable evidence clearly shows electrical phenomina in space. Time and time again new data comes back that is a "shock" or "mystery" to NASA and the mainstream.. but completely predictable by plasma cosmology.

[alien8ted]

If plasma cosmology can scientifically prove any of its claims then they'll receive a well-deserved Nobel prize, but I won't hold my breath, as long as they have people like you who arrogantly believe they're smarter than Stephen Hawking and pretending there's a big sinister mainstream conspiracy to supress these ideas. These and your inclination to cherry-pick only ideas that conform to your preconceptions clearly indicate that this is bogus pseudoscience.

[shrunkensimon]

So you need someone else to validate a theory for you before believing it do you? What is so wrong with thinking for yourself instead of relying on other people (experts) to do it for you! As for a conspiracy, you evidently have no fucking clue how the real world works my friend. Discovery based science died decades ago.. like everything else, money controls it now.

[alien8ted]

shrunkenheadedsimpleton, You rely totally on what this video claims, so you are not thinking for yourself, and you have never tested any of these theories for yourself, you just like them 'cos they seem counter-cultural. Keep pretending mainstream science has nothing to offer, especially while you use the computers, medicines, mobile phones, satellites and other stuff their theories provide for you, thou talentless hypocrite!

[shrunkensimon]

Oh shut up you douche bag. Mainstream has nothing to offer, it is completely materialistic and nihilistic. Look at the world.. are we heading in the right direction? Science and technology has accelerated our demise.

And this is partly because we rely on the current fragmented view of the Universe, which Plasma Cosmology can rectify! I will not respond to any further comments.

[Selasia]

Wonderful videos, literally. Thanks!

[pln2bz]

The irony is that the apathy generated by the conventional theories is causing havoc in getting people to wake up to the better theories. People have come to accept that the space sciences are irrelevant to their lives, and yet, acceptance of the Plasma Universe would inspire a renaissance in all of our lives.

[shrunkensimon]

I truely believe this to be the case. When all of humanity finally recognizes the inherent electrical connection of ourselves to the Universe, we will find ourselves in a new era.

[shrunkensimon]

This also begs the question.. is Stephen Hawkings really the worlds smartest man then? If he could not even see the obvious errors in the idea, then is he really so smart?

[Selasia]

... or is Stephen Hawkings a controlled science reporter who gets a big platform because he supports the knowledge agenda of the ruling elite?

There are many more 'scientists' who deserve to be researched for their objectivity.

People are waking up and speaking up about the conspiracy facts though.

[shrunkensimon]

I think he may have started out with honest enough intentions, but somewhere along the line he must have realized he was wrong with his theories and decided to keep going regardless.

Who knows how many truely brilliant minds are out there waiting to unleash their potential.. if only things were different.

[aryadeva]

Right! Dark matter as well!