These alleged scholars disagree with all these gospels that were suppressed by ROMANS and JEWS and say that history proves them wrong and they base their conclusion off the same meager Gospels allowed with bare info. That is so ignorant or the Suppression continues by Jewdeigo Crossianity. Because these neigh Sayers know more than the people living in times of the origination of Christianity. These Gospels have Jesus denouncing the Torah and Mosses propaganda of the Jew
I think all this information was really good. A Spiritual child in a fleshly body grows and learns how to choose good as they grow up if they are guided that way. I appreciate hearing all these "Lost" books. It doesn't change my belief or my faith in God. To me alot of this is logical. We are to be quick to hear, and slow to speak. Everyone has their own story in life.
And another thing, this info is lame to me. If this is what I saw as an example of Gnostic wisdom I would have never looked further. Its just one simplistic tall tale after another and there is no interpretation. The info I know doesn't argue with Christianity so much as interprets the meaning differently. It is against the salvation Messiah because they knew that was a scam - that's just an excuse to get people to kill each other. If you know the truth you don't fear a lie - censorship =BS
What we could all use is to brush up on our critical thinking skills. Have y'all noticed how these supposed learning channels are full of professors that tell us their view and don't show proof of their claim? I thought it was only religious people who operated on faith? Did you know that critical thinking skills haven't been taught in public education since the 1800's? We're trained like how you give a dog a treat for being right "aka saying what I tell you to say." Look up The Trivium.
The greatest miracle ever isn't Jesus' resurrection. The greatest miracle is the resurrection of scores of zombies who, according to Matthew, walked around in Jerusalem after the crucifixion visiting their loved ones. The wealth of historical evidence for this event is plain for all to see. One has to be blind not to believe it.
@EruditeScythian I agree. The preachers in the churches never discuss this and most of the christians are ignorant about this... How pathetic they don't know what really happened.
"The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life." - Matthew 27:52
Gnosticism a sub-sect of Alexandrian Jewry's mystics' Logos. The Gospels are not earlier than 2nd to 3rd century, with the necessary invention, by regional schools of adherents to the traditions of a Matthew, Mark (principally), Luke and John, of Yeshua or Jesus and a supporting cast of characters who become the disciples, benefactors or malefactors within the basic, developing storyline. The earliest writer, Paul, in his actual letters about the Logos, knows nothing of an earthly Jesus.
The World that man created by his thoughts is different from the Natural World that God created. Simple truth is that our body is also a product of Nature. It will certainly grow old and die one day. Man cannot change this. Man can only changes his thoughts and must love all as his fellow humans. This is the truth that jesus taught.
How are the Gnostic gospels considered alternative? when the only thing that made them alternative gospels was their rejection from the church? who gave them the power to reject what they didn't like, understand,? did they reject them out of knowing or unknowing? their own agendas or Jesus'? they hardly ask enough questions. And take for granted that the first ones they heard are somehow more acceptable. Don't they see their own ignorance in what they say?
@IMBUED They're considered an "alternative" because there was no Christian orthodoxy at the time many of the so-called gnostic gospels were written. There were something like 30-ish gospels in circulation in the early days of christianity, and people that heard the message of the gospels that didn't end up in the biblical canon still felt that they were christian. And who said that they rejected anything? There was no set orthodoxy at that time. Period.
@IMBUED (continued) Also, there's a difference between christian orthodoxy and the gnostic vision (details of those gnostic gospels aside). The orthodoxy was very centered on a male-centric priesthood, whereas the gnostics felt that they didn't need priests and that you had to look within to learn whatever spiritual truths were to be found. Also remember that early christian worship, before the orthodoxy was established, was occurred in the home, which was the province of women.
@IMBUED (continued 2) Part of the drive towards orthodoxy was a somewhat misogynist attempt to take religious teaching and leadership out of the hands of women, since women often led worship services in their homes. Anyways, I don't think that you understand the nature of the "landscape" in the era of early christianity, before the creation of the orthodoxy, etc. These so-called gnostics felt that they were every single bit as christian as any other christian at the time.
@IMBUED Not a problem. I get a little annoyed at people who seem to think that the so-called gnostics in early Christianity weren't Christians because they didn't follow what is now the orthodoxy. In their ignorance they don't realize that there was no orthodox view at the time. It hadn't even been decided if Jesus was truly divine or not. There simply was no settled Christianity.
@astrofrk I'm a non-believer who finds all this stuff very interesting. I get annoyed with people of various Xtian denominations who are amazingly intolerant of other denominations simply because the others don't believe exactly as they do. There's also some hypocrisy to it because Jesus' message seems to be one of tolerance, and yet here are all these people being intolerant of others who don't believe in Jesus in the exactly proper way. It's pretty silly to me.
@crucisnh You are correct, Jesus taught tolerence but thanks to most of his followers, Jesus is probably the most misunderstood and misrepresented person in history. These are the people that say I'm not Christian because I'm a Gnostic but I did research instead of just going by what some ignorant pastor told me. I can understand if you are a non-believer, thanks to them. I get tired of apologising for the ignorence of so-called Mainstream Christians who have no idea what Love is.
I see no need to sneer about "half intelligent answers"-- Let's stick to the argument for now. First off, "Socrate's works" are in Plato; they are not the works of Socrates (you misspelled his name). How can you know his teachings have value if you don't even grasp that basic fact? Already I doubt your erudition and reasoning skills. Second, "taken out of its religious context" much of Plato does not "make sense" either. So can the Platonic realm of ideas still "make sense and be useful?"
lemme say it: understanding the bible should make you an atheist.
in his way, jesus was the founder of a religion that has nothing to do with the judaism it was born in. nice thing for him, but he deserves a slap for all those hours put into understanding what he meant.
why would you care what he meant? all the evidence for his revival is a lack of a body.... i'm although pretty sure you could find his bones somewhere if you look hard enough.
@De4sher Socrates claimed to receive wisdom from a daimon. Yet the Platonic dialogues in which he appears are still of immense philosophical value. Does the fact that we no longer believe in the suspension of the natural order nullify Christ's moral and ethical teachings? No.
you see, socrate's works have a value because they HAVE value.
jesus's saying don't, BECAUSE they lack one.
there's no need to nullify the value of jesus's teachings, because they never had anything important to say.
to illustrate this, would you like to give me an example of something even remotely interesting that jesus said? (something that, taken away from its religious context, would still make sense and be useful)
@De4sher Whether you will find Christ's teachings "interesting" (noting your general self-assurance) is beyond me. If you are asking me to give an example of something "even remotely interesting" that the figure of Christ says in the Gospels, aren't you merely asking me so you can attack it? You have no real desire to learn, you already "know." If you want to actually discuss the matter in depth, private message me and we will discuss the matter at length. I'm not a Christian, by the way.
@De4sher you're already making a leap of faith by even thinking jesus ever existed.. as far as i'm aware there is no scientific proof for that; if you look at the story close enough you will see that the gospels fit in an old tradition of gods and demi-gods springing from a virgin birth, raising the dead aso. you're comment makes sense assuming that this man jesus or joshua, isa, whatever, even existed but from a scientific point of view none of it makes sense, as religion never does
this is an "EVEN IF" scenario, or a plan z. there's more things wrong with christianity than words in the bible.
but dude... check your spelling more closely. that youre/your thing is quite spread lately (i'm not a native speaker, i tend to notice these things more often) ("...you're comment...")
@De4sher i'm sorry for the spelling, i tend to get passionate about these things and just tap the keyes.. english is my third language but, nevertheless, i should watch my spelling more closely as you rightfully say
@butobuto1 Jesus exist in in story. Not the man but his truth. God works in mysterious ways. Find the mystery of how Jesus could stand on the water. And still be like you and me.
Truth screams Jesus was a MAN. But greater is he that is in me. Than all the world. Jesus said.
Wisdom ask. Can the spirit hold your flesh up on the top of the water while you walk on it.?
Jesus says it can't. That witch is flesh is flesh. Spirit is spirit. one is not the other.
These alleged scholars disagree with all these gospels that were suppressed by ROMANS and JEWS and say that history proves them wrong and they base their conclusion off the same meager Gospels allowed with bare info. That is so ignorant or the Suppression continues by Jewdeigo Crossianity. Because these neigh Sayers know more than the people living in times of the origination of Christianity. These Gospels have Jesus denouncing the Torah and Mosses propaganda of the Jew
TronaldDump420 3 weeks ago
These videos are not for people who are not opened minded everyone has there opinion
and we must accept that what we believe is beautiful but that doesn't mean everyone must believe
what the rest believes
casillas989 1 month ago
I think all this information was really good. A Spiritual child in a fleshly body grows and learns how to choose good as they grow up if they are guided that way. I appreciate hearing all these "Lost" books. It doesn't change my belief or my faith in God. To me alot of this is logical. We are to be quick to hear, and slow to speak. Everyone has their own story in life.
sandyabernathy 2 months ago
And another thing, this info is lame to me. If this is what I saw as an example of Gnostic wisdom I would have never looked further. Its just one simplistic tall tale after another and there is no interpretation. The info I know doesn't argue with Christianity so much as interprets the meaning differently. It is against the salvation Messiah because they knew that was a scam - that's just an excuse to get people to kill each other. If you know the truth you don't fear a lie - censorship =BS
chadwarrenonline 2 months ago
What we could all use is to brush up on our critical thinking skills. Have y'all noticed how these supposed learning channels are full of professors that tell us their view and don't show proof of their claim? I thought it was only religious people who operated on faith? Did you know that critical thinking skills haven't been taught in public education since the 1800's? We're trained like how you give a dog a treat for being right "aka saying what I tell you to say." Look up The Trivium.
chadwarrenonline 2 months ago
The greatest miracle ever isn't Jesus' resurrection. The greatest miracle is the resurrection of scores of zombies who, according to Matthew, walked around in Jerusalem after the crucifixion visiting their loved ones. The wealth of historical evidence for this event is plain for all to see. One has to be blind not to believe it.
EruditeScythian 3 months ago
@EruditeScythian I agree. The preachers in the churches never discuss this and most of the christians are ignorant about this... How pathetic they don't know what really happened.
"The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life." - Matthew 27:52
maac 1 month ago
Gnosticism a sub-sect of Alexandrian Jewry's mystics' Logos. The Gospels are not earlier than 2nd to 3rd century, with the necessary invention, by regional schools of adherents to the traditions of a Matthew, Mark (principally), Luke and John, of Yeshua or Jesus and a supporting cast of characters who become the disciples, benefactors or malefactors within the basic, developing storyline. The earliest writer, Paul, in his actual letters about the Logos, knows nothing of an earthly Jesus.
lordalfred1882 4 months ago
The World that man created by his thoughts is different from the Natural World that God created. Simple truth is that our body is also a product of Nature. It will certainly grow old and die one day. Man cannot change this. Man can only changes his thoughts and must love all as his fellow humans. This is the truth that jesus taught.
gimmeurz 5 months ago
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Jesus said, "I am come."
hornsofarabbit 5 months ago
How are the Gnostic gospels considered alternative? when the only thing that made them alternative gospels was their rejection from the church? who gave them the power to reject what they didn't like, understand,? did they reject them out of knowing or unknowing? their own agendas or Jesus'? they hardly ask enough questions. And take for granted that the first ones they heard are somehow more acceptable. Don't they see their own ignorance in what they say?
IMBUED 5 months ago
@IMBUED They're considered an "alternative" because there was no Christian orthodoxy at the time many of the so-called gnostic gospels were written. There were something like 30-ish gospels in circulation in the early days of christianity, and people that heard the message of the gospels that didn't end up in the biblical canon still felt that they were christian. And who said that they rejected anything? There was no set orthodoxy at that time. Period.
crucisnh 2 months ago
@IMBUED (continued) Also, there's a difference between christian orthodoxy and the gnostic vision (details of those gnostic gospels aside). The orthodoxy was very centered on a male-centric priesthood, whereas the gnostics felt that they didn't need priests and that you had to look within to learn whatever spiritual truths were to be found. Also remember that early christian worship, before the orthodoxy was established, was occurred in the home, which was the province of women.
crucisnh 2 months ago
@IMBUED (continued 2) Part of the drive towards orthodoxy was a somewhat misogynist attempt to take religious teaching and leadership out of the hands of women, since women often led worship services in their homes. Anyways, I don't think that you understand the nature of the "landscape" in the era of early christianity, before the creation of the orthodoxy, etc. These so-called gnostics felt that they were every single bit as christian as any other christian at the time.
crucisnh 2 months ago
@crucisnh I understand :) I was talking about how ridiculous they sound, I was kinda directing the question to the people in the video. :)
IMBUED 2 months ago
@IMBUED Not a problem. I get a little annoyed at people who seem to think that the so-called gnostics in early Christianity weren't Christians because they didn't follow what is now the orthodoxy. In their ignorance they don't realize that there was no orthodox view at the time. It hadn't even been decided if Jesus was truly divine or not. There simply was no settled Christianity.
crucisnh 2 months ago
@crucisnh Thank you, you and I have similar beliefs. I am a Valentinian Gnostic Christian. What about you?
astrofrk 3 weeks ago
@astrofrk I'm a non-believer who finds all this stuff very interesting. I get annoyed with people of various Xtian denominations who are amazingly intolerant of other denominations simply because the others don't believe exactly as they do. There's also some hypocrisy to it because Jesus' message seems to be one of tolerance, and yet here are all these people being intolerant of others who don't believe in Jesus in the exactly proper way. It's pretty silly to me.
crucisnh 3 weeks ago
@crucisnh You are correct, Jesus taught tolerence but thanks to most of his followers, Jesus is probably the most misunderstood and misrepresented person in history. These are the people that say I'm not Christian because I'm a Gnostic but I did research instead of just going by what some ignorant pastor told me. I can understand if you are a non-believer, thanks to them. I get tired of apologising for the ignorence of so-called Mainstream Christians who have no idea what Love is.
astrofrk 3 weeks ago
just PURE MYTH?,,,,He is sure full of himself. typical evangelical. Pig headed and closed minded.
chaksheba 6 months ago
I see no need to sneer about "half intelligent answers"-- Let's stick to the argument for now. First off, "Socrate's works" are in Plato; they are not the works of Socrates (you misspelled his name). How can you know his teachings have value if you don't even grasp that basic fact? Already I doubt your erudition and reasoning skills. Second, "taken out of its religious context" much of Plato does not "make sense" either. So can the Platonic realm of ideas still "make sense and be useful?"
agapeiron 1 year ago
lemme say it: understanding the bible should make you an atheist.
in his way, jesus was the founder of a religion that has nothing to do with the judaism it was born in. nice thing for him, but he deserves a slap for all those hours put into understanding what he meant.
why would you care what he meant? all the evidence for his revival is a lack of a body.... i'm although pretty sure you could find his bones somewhere if you look hard enough.
De4sher 1 year ago 2
@De4sher Socrates claimed to receive wisdom from a daimon. Yet the Platonic dialogues in which he appears are still of immense philosophical value. Does the fact that we no longer believe in the suspension of the natural order nullify Christ's moral and ethical teachings? No.
agapeiron 1 year ago
@agapeiron quite a half intelligent answer.
you see, socrate's works have a value because they HAVE value.
jesus's saying don't, BECAUSE they lack one.
there's no need to nullify the value of jesus's teachings, because they never had anything important to say.
to illustrate this, would you like to give me an example of something even remotely interesting that jesus said? (something that, taken away from its religious context, would still make sense and be useful)
De4sher 1 year ago
@De4sher Whether you will find Christ's teachings "interesting" (noting your general self-assurance) is beyond me. If you are asking me to give an example of something "even remotely interesting" that the figure of Christ says in the Gospels, aren't you merely asking me so you can attack it? You have no real desire to learn, you already "know." If you want to actually discuss the matter in depth, private message me and we will discuss the matter at length. I'm not a Christian, by the way.
agapeiron 1 year ago
@De4sher you're already making a leap of faith by even thinking jesus ever existed.. as far as i'm aware there is no scientific proof for that; if you look at the story close enough you will see that the gospels fit in an old tradition of gods and demi-gods springing from a virgin birth, raising the dead aso. you're comment makes sense assuming that this man jesus or joshua, isa, whatever, even existed but from a scientific point of view none of it makes sense, as religion never does
butobuto1 7 months ago
@butobuto1 yeah, i know the thing :)
this is an "EVEN IF" scenario, or a plan z. there's more things wrong with christianity than words in the bible.
but dude... check your spelling more closely. that youre/your thing is quite spread lately (i'm not a native speaker, i tend to notice these things more often) ("...you're comment...")
De4sher 7 months ago
@De4sher i'm sorry for the spelling, i tend to get passionate about these things and just tap the keyes.. english is my third language but, nevertheless, i should watch my spelling more closely as you rightfully say
but it's good to see we agree
butobuto1 7 months ago
@butobuto1 Jesus exist in in story. Not the man but his truth. God works in mysterious ways. Find the mystery of how Jesus could stand on the water. And still be like you and me.
Truth screams Jesus was a MAN. But greater is he that is in me. Than all the world. Jesus said.
Wisdom ask. Can the spirit hold your flesh up on the top of the water while you walk on it.?
Jesus says it can't. That witch is flesh is flesh. Spirit is spirit. one is not the other.
roar5952 6 months ago
@roar5952 in what way is this mysticalish jibbrish a reply to my comment? don't do drugs man!
butobuto1 6 months ago