Demonstration of NVidia Fermi

[TheDevilOnHoliday]

...but can it play tetris?

[altu892]

@TheDevilOnHoliday yes for more than 1000 fps

[Reyneeru]

@TheDevilOnHoliday

No XD

[keyzin]

the cpu or the screen cant project that speed with the technology i guess

[Makadonska27]

Is that IT? wtf lol. What was the point of this

[vunderground1]

Let's have a price war!!! Seriously tho the cards look good on paper (C++ support and 1/2 x precision over ATI's 1/5 x precision). I am pepared to be impressed but the price will have to be right for me to buy one. 'bout time AIT had some competition tho, their new cards went up 1/3 in price over night :(

[Makadonska27]

@vunderground1 Make sure you play your games in a fridge. I was waiting for these too only to find there is no chance of me using 2 in my machine due to the heat output, its insane.

[Newbpwng]

Too little too late, Only thing that is going to keep Nvidia alive are other branches of their company. desktop graphics aren't their only product after all they have a wider field

[jamesh2594]

nvidia FTW!! always will like them.

[randomvidz94]

haha another delay until April 6th .

To Nvidia: this project gotta be the worst managed project in the company's history !!

sadly while you guys are playing catch up with ATI , they are already working on their next gen gpu.

[Newbpwng]

@randomvidz94 dude ATI probably already have all the blueprints for their new GPU

[randomvidz94]

@Newbpwng most likely they are working on it already.

[leoncarbon]

@randomvidz94 LOL its 2 months now and i havent even seen the release of this "Fermi"

[sillyshitt]

Where can I find / download this "particle physics simulation program" ?

[xxpreciouSbabyxx]

what a boost...

[Killzone110]

Ati is on the left and nvidia is on the right. See the difference? i rest my case.

[nicaw]

Feel free to rest your case, but I think they have previous generation card on left to illustrate the difference between double precision performance.

[Cheats4win]

Sux. The card is lagging on its own demo...blame

[xITguy]

It's hot, buggy and unfixable :)

[nicaw]

@xITguy We will not know if it's buggy until it's launched, but with TDP of 250W... yeah, hot!

[CodyxDecode]

@xITguy LOL, FarmVille is all I need

[larsenmark277]

SEE! This card is only for work NOT! for gaming

[Geoxile]

Lol, imagine the heat, size, and most importantly...the cost of this thing. The Fermi line up is going to be murdering wallets.

[adgjmptw4]

Looks laggy

[GarebearShields]

@adgjmptw4

That's the camera.

[tabovilla]

this should get rated down, now we all know those "tests" and "simulations" were not done on real Fermi's as silicon and boards were not available at the time

[lin545]

Anyone claiming linux is HARDER to use or to INSTALL is NOOB. I was using ms stuff for 12 years, from dos 5.0 and windows 3.11. Dont tell me ANYTHING about security or easiness of use, you making yourself look retarded. With windows not are you bound to EULA, insecurity, absence of choices, crappy software, draconian licensing, extreme high time costs for keeping system up. With linux its either you want it easy - ubuntu, tunable to infinity - gentoo, arch, or secure and just running - debian.

[angstikala]

@lin545 Well after using computers for 12 years from dos and windows 3.11 its not a very big surprise that you didn't find linux very hard :)

[lin545]

Well, ubuntu is easy, except you have performance ati card.. Im using gentoo and my parents are on debian testing, mostly social networks and mail, almost zero knowledge of pc's, recently deleted firefox icon from desktop and were wondering, lol. Well, system is running and updates itself. For me its a bit limiting, hence Im on gentoo. I remember windows ME, you couldnt create folder there lol, only copy existing, rename and delete contents =)

[nognir616]

Your choice of words was pretty rough, but I totally agree with your point, using Linux for 4 years (running Arch and Ubuntu alongside Windows 7)

[craig1852]

I heard that it consumes a lot of power like if you were going to want to use it you would need a 1000 watt power supply. Is this true?

[donwinkey]

Yes, this sorta GPGPU tasks requires more than 1 card and they usually test/display the workstations with at least four cards, each consuming about 200~300 watts so you are right

[nykvarnskurken]

@SumoNinja1985. Yeah and I think they will fix that issue.

[Sache0190]

nothing worth seeing..

[fretalian]

you fanboys make me lol

[neoonik16]

wow, fermi should kill 5970

[imfromanotherplanet]

Leadwerks - THATS NOT BULLSHIT! u ever heard about google? try it , maybe it will help youre brain grow a little. u can never Compare Nvidia to ATI! (im using ati myself) Nvidia is like a Ferrari and Ati is a Toyota?! Ati thinks that " If we give 160000000000000 cores , over gpu will own , yeah nice number , but do it work? lol ! look at the 5970? IT GOT 256 MEMORY BIT! omfg , 9800gt got that to , maybe let them start to increase perfomance where its realy need'd. and about there drivers? HAHA

[rhun664]

the 5970 may have only 3200 stream processors, but does does any nvidia card have that raw power?

Well I can't wait for Fermi to come out, because that's when ATI will just lower their prices to keep up with the competition.

[lin545]

@rhun664: And whats ati going to do to fix their sh*ty (actually beyond sh*tiness) drivers on linux? Lower prices??? Fermi is MUCH beyond gaming. It is a mini-mainframe.

[rhun664]

you really think AMD would worry about some almost unknown operating system when there's windows 7 & vista with direct x 11?

[lin545]

@rhun664: I would really suggest you inform yourself before posting something like you posted.

Google runs linux, Youtube runs linux, IBM runs linux, Oracle runs linux, CIA runs linux, 70% of internet is powered by linux alone. 99% of Universities run either Linux or BSD. Vista is buggy DRM crap, 7 is KDE ripoff without any innovations.

They know about it very much, but they don't care. They TRIED to opensource, but it ends up as second hand solution. Bad for THEM. Running Gf9800Gt green ed.

[rhun664]

just because linux CAN run those doesnt mean windows can't.

there is a reason why windows is the most targeted OS by viruses

because more than 80% of computers have windows

btw linux can run all that crap but windows runs games

hd 5770

[lin545]

@rhun664: windows is an operating system, you mix operating system and application. Linux architecture is based on UNIX multiplied by GPL. If you take OS architecture alone, linux is many times more advanced cmp to windows, but the amount of power it gives to the user makes it very hard to use by people with low mental abilities, I say this as a guy who used windows since 1992(msdos 5, win3.11) and dumped it altogether in 2008. Linux also runs 80% of win32 apps directly, 60% perfectly. Via WINE.

[klote2314]

no this is where your wrong thats the exact problem linux is having people dont want to spend 24/7 behind their computers wrighting scripts and installing just to make something work

they want it to work easy they rather just klick it twice and let it install

linux doesnt have this it requiers more effort witch turn allot of people down

[lin545]

@klote2314 So you basically claiming the only linux distro is LFS? Muhaha.

[lin545]

As an OS windows fails greatly in these criteria: -stability, -portability, -efficiency, -uptime, -patching time, -security, -license purity, -management of apps, -openness, -scalability, -features out-of-the-box, -running cost, -options for developer. Linux fails only a bit in ABI consistency, price for having no binary bloat. For gamer it has a LOT of emulation software and some(~40) very nice native games.

[lin545]

@rhun664: "there is a reason why windows is the most targeted OS by viruses because more than 80% of computers have windows" it is fud, linux empowers 70% of web servers, as such linux is the primary target. Yet it gets patched mostly 0day. Huge holes in architecture, unwillingness and or slowness to patch, source unavailability, bad security model, no full root access and the need to keep AV market well paid are reasons for windows vulnerabilities.

[jeroeniskoning]

At first, sites have far more hacker wanted material than user computers. Second, why does Windows have most of the games? because everyone has Windows. Why does everyone have Windows? Because almost all hardware companies sell Windows pre-installed. Why do they sell it pre-installed? Because everyone wants Windows. Why does everyone wants Windows? because their used to it.

NOTHING is thanks to Microsoft's hard work or creativity. Just the smart business model.

"The future will be open."

[klote2314]

uhm cause windows is the easyest

Ubuntu force's you to wright your own codes and shit people dont want that

microsoft was smart letting people give illegal copy's around and not stopping it

[jeroeniskoning]

At first, Windows easier? You need to defrag, registry clean and install (paid) anti-virus just to let your computer work like it should.

Second, I dont know what version of Ubuntu you used but I've never been forced to wright own commands to do something?

Third, Microsoft gave away "illigal" copys? Where? when? Never heard of that before...

[klote2314]

using my system never defrag it

Ubuntu doesnt have drivers for every thing and so you are forced to wright your own stuff something that people dont want to wait for they want it to work now

btw i havent reg clean either

my pc is running like a shunshine still

Defrag reg clean and keeping ur anti virus uptodate is more easy then wrighting and making your own drivers for ubuntuand most of the time they arent supported

[jeroeniskoning]

read my previous comments.

But still, my printer, scanner, mouse, keyboard, graphical card, sound and wireless internet are all working out of the box.

And if you dont defrag, regclean etc. your PC will factually get slower.

[angstikala]

@jeroeniskoning when I was trying to use linux, finding working drivers for my Ati card was like impossible. But I know nVidia cards work fine (or should).

[lin545]

@klote2314

Its very nice if windows works@you the way you tell, but somehow neither me(win3.11,95,95osr2,98,me,2k,­xp,vista) nor anyone of my friends had this behaviour on windows, and windows forums are filled with same things today as they were in 1995. So I assume you have zero knowledge of windows, or you have been using it for 1 month.

[lin545]

@klote2314

And I also must tell you, year ago, when I installed ubuntu first and was using it whole year without single reinstall, I have never been forced or in need to write any driver or script!! To my knowledge only specialist(and not users!) at kernel 0rg are writing drivers.

This means you have zero ( 0 ) knowledge of operating systems you are FUD'ing around. Tell me which driver you were "forced" to write?

[lin545]

@rhun664: DX11 implements nothing that OpenGL3.2+OpenCL cannot do. OpenGL is open,consistent and portable, DX is...

[lin545]

@rhun664 You are not trying to understand it, do you? The ONLY guy to whom this system is UNKNOWN is YOU. Who needs directx when we have opengl? Only very stupid person would write for dx nowadays. Dx is ZERO portability.

[TrollingAround]

@lin545 - forgive me this is a question: Surely Direct X is directly portable to the XBOX 360 (and indirectly) to the PS3?

[lin545]

@TrollingAround Lol, stop trolling :) Xbox is microsoft windows, because opengl works on windows - yes. For PS3, yes, see OpenGL|ES.

[lin545]

@TrollingAround Sorry, missunderstood. 360 is microsoft-only platform, so officially only dx is available(who wonders), I have no information of ps3 support to dx, like I sayd opengl is present, but normal way is CTM. Dx is microsoft only.

[captainclayman]

this is gonna be SOOOOO expensive.

[CRutgerXryzis]

nvidia tesla s2070 ftw? xD

[Craic12]

who normal human needs so much power?

[Leadwerks]

All I care about is what FPS does it run Crysis at.

[illmagnified]

@Leadwerks right dude, who gives a shit about these stupid calculations that none of us gamers are ever gonna use, same with the double precision bullshit, they arent utilized in games which is what this GPU is supposed to be for, it is a GPU after all- its made for games and they havent even showed game performance yet which leaves you to question Nvidia and where they are at right now as a company.

[LordNeb]

@illmagnified

Fermi is pretty much a cGPU as they have said. GPU's have moved beyond being a display adaptor. just look at the chip diagrams! 100's of cores running parralell at now over 1Ghz.

GPU's are the future! as AMD are saying, the future is fusion.

[illmagnified]

@LordNeb No i know the dawn of CGPU computing is happening but for Nvidia who is already far behind in the graphics gpu sector to then press release Fermi as a scientific based chip first and not even mention a thing about its gaming capabilities is just plain rude and is like a back hand to all the gamers who have been buying Nvidia products for years now and have been waiting for a next gen gpu to compete with ATI's 5XXX series. Its as though Nvidia is just ignoring their main market,Us Gamers

[LordNeb]

they always do this. i wouldn't worry about it too much. they've got alot riding on this! as a company, nvidia are a leaking bucket!

just remember, if they can tweak their old junk to out perform ATI's 4 series, just think about what they'll do with the new stuff.

plus you have to remember, the mass market isn't enthusiast chips. they sell alot of their tesla gear to sun microsystems! and other such companies. they'd probably earn more money off of them then the public gaming sector.

[illmagnified]

@LordNeb No way! There is no way a handful of technical companies can replace an entire Global PC Gaming market all buying GPU's from the $100 dollar GPU's to the $900 Dollar GPU's that Nvidia makes- The PC sector is a massive market that they simply cannot afford to simply lose to ATI- which i used to be a huge ATI Fanboy and have owned only ATI Cards up until my EVGA 8800GT SuperClocked Ed and my most recent GTX 275 OC GPU which hauls ass all over the place when paired with the right CPU.

[nos676]

Fermi will owns ATI's ASS

[Leadwerks]

All of these attempts to parallelize a CPU will fail. Intel already threw in the towel with Larabee. There will be no winner, because it's a stupid idea to begin with.

We could have had massively parallel CPUs at any time in the past. Why didn't we? Oh yeah, because they were making faster chips and parallelism is a dumb idea for most apps.

[mhaneline]

@LordNeb fusion is a play for marketshare. fusion chips aren't going to have nearly the graphics processing power of even older video cards. They're marketing it for the corporate world, to enhance Office 2010 and web-based graphics. fusion has no place in 3d gaming or design. it's tailored specifically for the business user who wants to buy an off-the-shelf computer like an HP/Compaq or Dell.

Don't buy in to the marketing please. Be smarter than that.

[LordNeb]

@mhaneline

have no fear, i posted that 11 months ago, when fusion was a mysterious buzz word. as you said and from what I have read it going to be aimed at the office end of the computer spectrum.

Don't go by out of date messages please. Be smarter than that. - oh and merry christmas :)

[mhaneline]

@LordNeb I didn't reply on your behalf, but to educate others that might be led astray by your comment. I am smarter than that.

[NIMHFS]

@mhaneline

You're a douche.

[mhaneline]

@NIMHFS Your opinion of me doesn't change the fact that I'm right :)

[NIMHFS]

@NIMHFS The accuracy of your information is not what concerned me, just the way you handled yourself.

[dylf14]

NO its not just for games. Btw they arent just showing this to a bunch of drooling gamers. Most people there understand a bit or 2 bout Graphic processing.

[illmagnified]

No absolutely i agree with you 100 percent, the people attending this demo are scientists who drool over double precision- but they need to cater to the gamer section who has been their bread and butter since their upstart, they are just completely ignoring us like we dont even exist.

[dylf14]

good point

[jamesstone123]

@illmagnified you're missing the point entirely. If nvidia didnt care about us gamers they wouldnt have spent so much time developing the geforce cards over quadro.

tesla was a major breakthrough in supercomputing... its gaming uses were limited only by its interface. Bringing that kind of power (plus a shiteside more on top) makes complete sense.

This will mean a major drop in price in the GTX 2xx series cards too... a major plus in my eyes

[illmagnified]

I agree with 99% percent of what your saying. I absolutely look forwards to the GT2XX price drop- that means i can buy another GTX 275 OC and be good- but Nvidia is not in any position to disregard its gaming segment when they are SO*** far behind ATI in the GPU market- they don't even have a DX10.1 card out let alone a DX11- and we are yet to see FERMI deliver the good in an actual game. Yes it can push Double precision but can it push textures and graphical data 4X/5X that of the GT2XX series?

[GiggleHz]

yah ive kinda been thinking that myself, ive watched alot of interviews and demos and read articles and they go on and on about the specs and then at the end they always throw in, AND it plays games great, im buying two regardless but i think they should really pump the gaming aspects more.

[illmagnified]

Right, thats what im saying, its ridiculous that they are completely ignoring theyre bread and butter segment, us gamers, to the scientists. Wtf is wrong with this picture.

[aldobu1990]

hahahah me to!!!!!!!!!!!

[CRutgerXryzis]

@Leadwerks nvidia already has cards running crysis on over 700 fps avarage, who cares about crysis... its just unaffordable for normal pple xD thats the only reason why pple compare with crysis...

[Leadwerks]

Bullshit.

[CRutgerXryzis]

@Leadwerks its not bullshit, do research, ur comments are the bullshit part xD

[Nomad16343]

@CRutgerXryzis yeah it runs at 700fps if you buy 4 teslas and two i7's.

[Nomad16343]

@CRutgerXryzis not very impressive.

[xFreeman512x]

Nvidia you fail

[aldobu1990]

ATI YOU FAIL DICK!

[xFreeman512x]

Nvidia rename card faggot

[Vardaracon]

You gotta wonder if Crysis 2 will chock the new dx11 gen cards just like the current game did to the first gen dx10 cards.

[angodeath]

Lets hope so :) that means they did a good job if it does.

[Vardaracon]

for that reason im not buying any vid card at the moment i got a feeling it will...even the new cards struggle in some areas of the first crysis.

[yusthavinfun]

I doubt it. Gpu's today are about 4 times as fast as when crysis for dx10 came out

also cryteck didint make too mutch money of crysis becouse it was so heavy and i doubt they want to see that again

and last but not least. dx11 is very fast and can produce great graphics on the lower end dx11 cards.

[Vardaracon]

Id rather wait then assume

[wcub4]

It won't. Most games are console ports so it has to run on a PS3 and Xbox360.

Hence current gen cards will run Crysis 2 most likely.

[Zanarus2242]

check benchmarks ppl...

The 5970 does 60+ fps on crysis....

[OHNNOitsNICHOLAS]

But can it play crysis.?

[slightlyretarded1]

If the GTX 395 doesn't play Crysis with atleast a minimum of 40+ at all times,I'm NEVER upgrading my GPU until a good 3-4 years

[legendray2008]

but ATI is available

The 5970 gives like 42 FPS in Crysis .

[VagabonNinja]

The GTX295 can play Crisis at an average of 30 - 40 FPS depending on your settings.

This video shows that the Fermi is roughly 8 times stronger than the 200 series. This means you MIGHT see at least 60+ FPS minimum on Crisis. But these companies usually like to play advertising tricks so I don't know if this is one of them.

[chevezez]

i think this demo uses cuda tech...

i know cuda isnt bs because of my video converter badaboom uses it and does the job converting around 1200 fps on my 275 getting the job done in less then a minute

i dont think crysis takes advantage of cuda thus dont expect a huge improvement, correct me if im wrong

[VagabonNinja]

Well I'm not spending money on a card anyway. Not for 2 more years at least. It's not worth the price. The card I have right now is overkill for the two most fun games I own. One of these two games, Borderland, doesn't even use Physx. A waste of money if you ask me. I'm waiting for that game with an interactive environment that uses the full power (software included) of the GPUs.

[chevezez]

haha sounds like u need to push ur gpu a bit, use nhancer and force things like combined 32xS anti aliasing on games

but yeah, im still waiting for that perfect game...sadly my expensive hardware is only used to play starcraft and css...lol

[gamer1o0]

agreed but i personally think ati HD 5970 is supreme beast for now. depending on games.. when fermi will be released it will be like $550 to $600 for single card.. imo.. and hd5970 is like $599 for now..

lets see.. to be honest i love both nvidia and ati..also intel and amd.. both i like.. tsmc problem giving hard times to nvidia and ati.. thats not good.. i dont go for demo montages.. framerates with decent power consumption is my concern too like yours"

[TikiShootah]

nvida's horrible pricing is whats gonna do em in. thats why most buy ati.

[l0lum4d]

ATi controls 35% market share, that is not most.

[Squirelll]

lucky americans haha. 5970 here is over $1100 -.-

[tiu007]

that too bad, in singapore it sell at $999 SG dollars, asus EAH5970.....

[VagabonNinja]

I have a gtx295, PC games aren't fun enough for me to consider a card. This card can run any game so far. Gaming companies can barely even catch up with DX10 much less the DX11.

It's absolutely wasteful and pointless to buy a new card until there are at least 3 games made that are fun and use this power.

I'm waiting and keeping my 600 dollars for an absolute badass card.

[yose3]

Fermi!

[gamer1o0]

seems like my post has been deleted.. posting again.. Yes i Mean Posting Again

below

[THuGZZTA]

wow it looks like my screen saver.

[betterbeavailable]

Oooh, those particles are spinning so wildly. It must be superfast!!!

[Cyr0pt3ra]

left pc: iCore7 975 EE - 24 GB DDR3 RAM - WD Raptor 10000 RPM - HD5750

right pc: iCore7 975 EE - 24 GB DDR3 RAM - WD Raptor 10000 RPM - Fermi quad sli

:D xD

[Ryuuken24]

Hahahahaha, that made me laugh so hard, thanks ! Yup. Nvidias Paperdragon expected for next year. watch out for those Paperdragons, dude, they are here and we don't even know it ! :D

[sobchuk]

ATI 5970 anyone? It may not run this demo, but it at least plays games today.

[Ryuuken24]

Are you insane, have you seen what the Ati 5XXX can do, they are incredible ! Take a look at some demos.

[gamer1o0]

at the end of the day. frame rates of games count.. demo doesnt

[Ryuuken24]

At the end of the day what really counts is how the game is made, what kind of physics it has, how the models are made, or how well it runs without consuming 500 W of power. You twit !

[gamer1o0]

agreed but i personally think ati HD 5970 is supreme beast for now. depending on games.. when fermi will be released it will be like $550 to $600 for single card.. imo.. and hd5970 is like $599 for now..

lets see.. to be honest i love both nvidia and ati..also intel and amd.. both i like.. tsmc problem giving hard times to nvidia and ati.. thats not good.. i dont go for demo montages.. framerates with decent power consumption is my concern too like yours

[wire020]

lol.. all those hype lead up to this?.. very disappointing... very disappointing indeed nvidia...

[neliz2k]

lol.. I thought fermi was supposed to be 8 times faster in DP.. poor showing!

[VizWorldVideos]

This is an early engineering prototype, so it's not operating at full speed. However, you also need to remember that the 8x is only for double-precision calculations, it won't affect (or improve) the rendering time or anything else going on.

[neliz2k]

Couldn't it be possible that the biggest improvement in speed comes from the fact that the GT200 is more limited when it comes to the number of simultaneous threads? Increasing the number of n-bodies and allowing more threads would give any architecture a lead over GT200. I would be more impressed if it didn't run 20k n-body but 1k, but I guess no-one is waiting for another slide-show.

[l0lum4d]

G300 operates about 6,000 less threads than the G200, that is because it is not about threads as much as it is actual cores.

[neliz2k]

Yes it is, GT200 performance is hampered by the maximum number of threads it can have in flight since that is what drives the n-body simulation.

[Ryuuken24]

That sounds like an excuse to me. The fact of the matter, is this, Nvidia is NOT going to lunch their New Paperdragon, or "Fermi" card this year, or even less than 3 months from now. The first gen will cost more than any usual gamers card. the drivers will be sloppy. To make matter worse they've said they're looking for selling Tesla to quadro line, not geforce, how does that make you feel, hm ? Thanks !

[l0lum4d]

Makes me feel like you're wrong. The GeForce cards will be out in January 2010.

[Peemon]

I heard the same as l0lum4d. Or well, Q1 2010. That is still a couple of months from now, thugh, and as far as I've heard, it could be any time in the first quarter of 2010. Although January seems to be what the fans expect.

[l0lum4d]

I would expect it near January as well, just because it makes sense, the A2 silicon taped out a few weeks ago. That means they will have a card in six weeks, and another 2-3 for mass production.

[luciosergiocatilina1]

wow